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canto Perry talked about his personal experience in Guildford obviously he's got professional experience with it but Jonathan casas from in advance the reason that you know when I talked in this morning that said you know if you could share some of your experience I think might be beneficial since we're having the sleep study specifically that information discussed tonight perhaps on the 16th wall this is part of the budget discussion he he talks not only about logistics but just also to face and timeline and that kind of a thing so it's not just with you know the superintendent you know in the suit assistants are attended behind closed doors publicly you kind of hear that from somebody who's been around the state doing this for a decade jump in Murray please I think the other thing that's really important is not only the work that is done as a subcommittee and as as a board and an administration working as partners but the Community Partnership is going to be absolutely pivotal and I think that that's something that's going to take that first of all we would never want to a rush job because we want people to really understand this understand the pros and the cons there's you know when you get something there's always a trade-off and people have to have time to really process that and be given you know real data that they can understand not just numbers and graphs but anecdotal stories that are have been written telling the story of what's happened in different different districts and I see that as something that will take time and I like the conversation that we had with the gentleman this morning from an advanced we're talking about you know everything coming like a Venn diagram of all of these different things that are going on that are big and important and and have to segue with each other and seeing you know it all coming together as one holistic plan rather than I think good there will have to be changes again if we even though the elementary schools are kind of on the same schedule when it's one elementary school that's going to change bus runs and denying and things and so I you know John always tells us you know if you don't do something right the first time he always have you because you don't have time yeah you always have to find time to do it over again so I kind of I'm thinking about all of these things in that vein and how does it make the most sense I know we'd all like everything yesterday well we obviously can't have that but wasn't pragmatically if we're anticipating that with a new school it's presumed for a moment that the community gets behind that and it's approved in March if that's gonna be making other significant changes in the district that that would be a good timing to build around right for this yes because oh but you don't want to be changing the bus runs this year and then he'll get another one two years after we would be hiring a consultant to make changers recommendations based on four schools so we have to almost reinvent the wheel looking at four perhaps yeah not but perhaps reinvent the wheel again for three schools so I think it's a little premature at this point you're put in that carton from the horse yep I would like maybe a little more clarity on what the consultant would do for us oh really the kind of the nuts year-olds and the logistics but then it sounded like John was talking about helping having the consultant help us get buy-in from the community to my to my knowledge and there is a there's a company called school bus consultants and that was the one that you want name that kept coming up because a lot of districts are actually like well what do they actually do we actually eat one because a lot of districts have done this without a consultant and without issue I mean we'll end it a decade ago without issue but [Music] really what they do is they they will work with the bus company to essentially and they'll work with like bail times they'll help you out with that kind of stuff but to my knowledge that's that's what they work with is logistics of it once you've already decided that you're going to make the change but not necessarily the planning part of it I don't know if well the other parts of this is is John's and John his name is Jonathan he's putting a proposal together it's kind of three phases three ideas that are coalescing as I talked about dr.
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Berube just articulate and I think we're all kind of thinking thinking of this the same way we're starting to conceptualize this is we want to look at reframing the strategic plan with so many great things going on so many accomplishments and so much more to do there's a lot going on says one aspect and Jonathan was part of our initial strategic planning the other parts that is not only a school start time study for the purpose of wellness for our students based on the research that's there is a time study they could also help us with that not only how custodians are spending their time teachers are spending their time administrators are spending their time and there's there's tools technique strategies and ways to analyze and you know from the outside and then self analyze time because that's one of the biggest areas that's that's our most precious resources time what do we always talk about we never have enough time and where we could find better ways to be more efficient where we could isolate and have ownership of perhaps waste in our day that we don't realize could be used more productively we all think we're busy and we're all hairy but being busy can't necessarily equate to being productive and so we've got to be open and honest about that that's another area where they can help us and I think these these big ideas start to come together if we could have you know a consultant like an edit help us in some phases as well so would they look at bus Proust okay oh yeah they've done all of that in and just one thing Jonathan did work with Wilbur a decade ago or whatever it was and when Ken was there I don't think it was the process it started before it was that was actually started with their Board of Ed it was started with so they did all the heavy lifting that the subcommittee of our portal under pressure so there's a little there's differences but Jonathan cited welcome to your point rose that he said well that's kind of the longest term success story that's honest and they've existed for the most part until recently in a league for athletics where everybody else is on a more traditional schedule so they figured it out the one caveat I'm gonna put in there for this is wherever we end up going I am NOT behind I'm behind student mental health and I am behind student physical health and doing the best for our kids I'm not behind students routinely leaving the last period class early for practices games and other things you know a state game or a big time competition that's one thing that's a one-off but that's something we need to be very careful about and I do hear this is just anecdotal that in some of the districts where they've moved quickly with the start times you just let folks out early for away games and it's like you know that's not we're not gonna make that happen so I just wanted me you know draw the red line right there that's something that we're gonna have to figure that out and it seems like you know your contacts with the doctor tonight and other folks they can serve as maybe like advisors for us to help us build our knowledgebase connecting with Wilkinson others so maybe that's sort of our quote-unquote consultant for the next year a couple of years and that maybe won't cost that much right no absolutely and it's like we do visits other schools another one of my my sayings is the second Mouse gets the cheese you know it's not always great to be first let's learn for those those remains a mistakes the mouse the traffic goes off first Mouse gets her second Mouse gets the cheese so second Mouse does get the cheese so we can learn from the mistakes of the other dishes this is a big deal going in this direction or if you treat that way sound alike learn tonight the dr.
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Broyles old adages yes but I think it's really exciting to sort of frame it around that idea that we're sort of heading towards this new year new school and well the curriculum work you've been doing an instructional work is sort of you know moving us towards this end and that's such a great initiative part of the overall strategic plan right and articulated as such so that's pretty exciting yeah big time for the change yeah but to go back about the budget budget item do we need it in this year's for next year's I think as long as you guys are you know we're sort of all on the same page in terms of like removing that started times if we do with it if we get a new school then yeah we wouldn't need this yeah this budget that's what I think about pictures of greens put the conversation back to make the decision and then we'll go on and I think they'll be the easiest agreement we have in this entire budget who's there - got a good note all right any other questions I mean each time we don't we're doing a little bit of a deeper dive and a deeper dive yeah so if I was i I just been staring at chart 18 in the deck that we reviewed because it's summarize what's in the budget as incremental spammy [Music] the page nine it was chart 18 I know is in the deck I was in the front section yeah cuz it don't when I kind of sat down and the staring edit it comes down to there's a three percent status quo we can bang around on that that's the questions basically that you sent us today where could we bang around on the three percent right and then the rest of it is five hundred and ninety two thousand dollars five hundred ninety three thousand dollars of incremental items as a very specific West and I when I was reading through that five hundred and forty thousand on that was basic educational needs you know aligning with curriculum dealing with enrollment from the prior charts so most of it is of that ilk but I would suggest we kind of go down this list it's a very specific list and determine whether we as a board want to carried it forward right that that would be how might approach our primary question and maybe at the next meeting if it has had a chance we can go back and look at the status quo stuff and see there's opportunities on that right yep I'd like to have any questions prior to that though okay um with the districting investments on goal for just with the technology and there's some stuff here which I know is level funded but is very um is there priority on this as far as that the technology updates just what will paycheck a look I'm sorry it's page six on slide 12 okay thanks [Music] so do you mind asking the question together okay just just as far as the technology investments I was just wondering if we have a priority - I know a lot of this is level funding and there's very little if any that's that's being asked as an ad but I just was curious as to the prioritized prioritization of those sure so I can invite Eric up just so he can follow up on anything that the statements I make with a little bit more articulation if necessary the increasing the speed and reliability of wireless with more access points really that's that's a that's you don't really have a choice we still have issues with the reliabilities if you need to increase that in terms of modernizing the switches at huckleberry again that's a capacity issue with the use of more wireless use wireless mobile chromebook cars we really have to move forward there I will let Eric talk a little bit about the lab at the high school and the upgrades to the presentations at the high school that you've been doing talk about kind of that priority short yeah and I I do what John hit the first two nail right on the head um one of the things that I wanted to just mention with the modernizing the switches in huckleberry I know anything in regards to Uncle Vernon right now is you know with with a potential new school project the thing with those is even if you took the two schools closed them and built one bigger school will still need the same number of devices and these devices will last eight to ten years so we do need them and it's not like well you know open a new school and have one sitting around we'll still need the same number of devices to account for that so they can transfer take an absolute transfer over to the news yes yep and they're the last school on the list and so that would bring us in full district wide with the same devices same switches same capacity and bring up our reliability John hit them Wireless perfectly agreed there the other ones are the BHS computer lab you know although we're one-to-one and we're looking for more Chromebooks you know lower-cost devices getting more of those around the district around the school there are still need for high functioning um you know it's a lot of a better way full full better computers the examples are art programs digital learning programs you need a good computers to run things like Photoshop and the art program computers are getting older although to be honest with you in priority the other --there i thought other items are probably more we could get by another year it would be great to start getting these labs upgraded because the more we delay you know a high school lab i'll have to do other labs and they don't have to do staff devices and then we'll have to so um trying to spread out upgrades and it's part of it about a device life cycle plan i'm working on developing on kind of leveling out instead of buying all new replacement devices at once you know every year we kind of continue an upgrade cycle and spread it out over a couple of years the presentation stations trying to get aggressive on getting as much of this building filled as possible we did half of science and half of math this year mark that's correct yeah i want to finish out those departments and then continue on you know and that's based on tracing i have right now pricing of these boards can change and i can certainly look back into those to see what cost adjustments can be made but again it's an aggressive move to get ourselves up to speed the original smart boards mimeo boards this is not doing what what classroom presentations need now it's all about big touch screen tvs with multiple touch and and more interactive and then ways that they interact with the Chromebooks in the one to one program here in the high school but one other question because it is on here I'm not sure if you would answer this or whether it would be riskier but with the mobile the mobile world language lab now that this is essentially on a cart and really because we don't have the room for anything besides that and again we're we're basing this like the schools were starting to on contingencies you know with with the thought that the musical proposal will pass but when that happens we will have one-fourth of the risk in your population out so I'm assuming we're gonna have many more classroom spaces at that point would we have a class for the world a world language lab at whisk and ear and if so with the mobile lab integrate well into that or what is likely that what do we want to do is best more like what we have you know bigger to larger investment with a stationary we're like we have here at the high school right that's kind of where you're going with that I am yeah and well we're going to right-size the middle school if the project goes through that's what I'm saying and there will be space so there will be space to have something like that and it would be would be triple the investment I mean it probably more as I looked back and I think it was 130,000 yeah but I'm just right at the high school I'm sure I don't know whether it would we would mimic that exact thing at a risking your sight you know it's increased by then but it's just a thought you know we will we'll this investment become not obsolete but but not what we need then we spend a third of the money and maybe we hold off when we use an A that's what I was that's what happened kind of um well so I'm gonna be repurposed in a different way in the sense so they'll break down kind of the 51,000 so the majority of that is the actual program the Sony soloist language lab program the curriculum base of it the licenses the teacher station about eight to nine thousand that is Chromebooks in a cart of what's built into that fifty one thousand the hard the hardware yes the hardware and equipment is actually the lowest cost of this solution versus as you were speaking of the the high school language lab that equipment had a much higher cost you know physical big desktop computers high-powered the desks the furniture everything that went with it yeah so could the software and this be integrated into a stationary lab should that be a scenario in the future yes it can okay yes it can you know it wouldn't be as much of an investment if we were to do with them because we would already have the software going into it oh yes yes I yes um yeah then the concern with you know that was a topic discussed in the concern what that is is you know the limited number of labs already at whisking here to dedicate an entire lab to just a language lab like we have the ability to do here just would not be feasible but I see what you're saying come when the classroom clears up and can become a computer lab okay thank you Eric what happens to things like mimeo boards when when we upgrade to a big screen system do we sell them to other districts can they be repurposed can we trade up all right now they're recycled and they are used elsewhere in the district some are that some are just beyond their usable life and so they're recycled properly we do work with the town on selling some old assets you know older iPads that we again just end-of-life can't be used anymore and stuff like that but we do try to recycle as much as we can to go a little more time out you know for the high school so for example we take a couple menu pens and Mineo equipment out of this school and whisking air as we move forward you know the older equipment huckleberry and center needs need something so um they we don't we try to we try to only throw out I shouldn't say throw you try the only recycle equipment that is truly at the end of the life and is no longer usable but we do use recycling programs that that come on-site and take the equipment away and properly dispose of it great thank you very thank you much appreciate it and then I also had a question bring this is probably yours on page six slide 11 just with and I know these aren't all new asks they may ask is really just the St math and I just wanted to ask on that this year it's piloted so I mean if we're doing it this year but it's a pilot it's pilot program it's free yeah so what we brought to Cape was a presentation on what MSD math is which is spatial-temporal math a math program that is used to both provide remediation review opportunities and enrichment enhancement opportunities and it's without language so it supports and of students who have learning disabilities where reading and reading comprehension impact the ability to you know access a tool and also children who speak languages other than English as their first language so the pilot and we because we just have the Cape meeting right before the break as John was saying they weren't that many days Deb and I and Eric are going to be contacting the principals to talk about how the pilot is going to be implemented what grades or classes are going to be in the pilot because there are several other districts that in the in Connecticut that use s TMF but you need a computer to do it so ever so we have to just determine what the pilot is going to look like in terms of who is going to be involved it will be free this number that we estimated was four including all students in K through 4 it next year okay five through five I'm sorry and that that's another part of the discussion that we have to have with Eric and the principles in terms of the new Chromebooks that are being planned to purchase and the timing for the actual program if after we review the data from the pilot we determined that this is something that we want to move forward to we have a good sense about that given the national data and the local data of how students have responded to being able to use this resource so my honest anticipation is that that number is going to be lower because I don't think that we're going to be able to fully implement k5 realistically when we really look at the number of devices but because that that could change when we see what Eric is able to get also what Chromebook C is able to shuffle around into the lower schools you know are we would like every student to be able to do it the plan that we've talked about and we talked with the fella from st math from UCLA about how other schools have done this and we would be looking if we had to scale down to more likely than not trying to scale it down to kindergarten grade 1 grade 2 and workup so that kids over time with the success the program would grow into it but we won't know exactly well no well no well no fairly soon because we're gonna set up the the meeting to happen between Jeff myself and Eric looking at the what we have four computers and then going to because it also involves scheduling so even though we don't have one to one in the lower schools we don't need each student to have a computer at the same time but what's the feasibility that we can expect we talked about this before Christmas with with Eric and now we need to know the principles to see how whether the pragmatics of using the number of computers that we have currently in the schools for the pilot and the number of computers that we'll have available next year when there's some new ones purchased and shifting you know equipment around how many students can we service and I think that we'll have those numbers within the next couple weeks by well thank you we're just we're looking at a deadline for the budget so would we have it say by the next meeting Kay and decision yeah and then it'll be then that number will be the number that you know will be the number that we need to do the project but I have to say that we would hold off you know at the end of the year when we look at the date from the pilot you know if it's not what we expect it to be we're obviously wouldn't be moving forward right okay thank you just short for me so while we're on the S key map how does that connect or not connect with the curriculum we bought last couple years is it is it is it linked with the with the standards and so if there's you know a placement test that'll take that you know places them because they're doing it independently however for the teacher use of it the the teacher can look at his or her curriculum and what it is that he or she is teaching at the time go into st math and see go to the standards you know and do a crosswalk so to speak and so if I am teaching whatever whatever standard I'm addressing today I can use an ST math presentation as my opening you know link because I hope don't worry about anybody in the classroom unless they were visually impaired to see the program but I'm gonna be able to engage my English language learners the children who can't read with this very game a fide approach to to dealing with the standard that I'm going to teach so a teacher can use it in the that way because it is it is linked to what we're doing it would be linked to any standards-based core math program that we because one of the things we talked about when we did that math rollout proposal was getting consistency up and down and I wanted to make sure that I would we just weren't either throwing in yet another way of tea now dr.
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Ruby I don't know if you can answer this but um because it kind of relates do you know how many subscriptions we have to you know like Khan Academy and I Excel so would that be something that we would phase out if we're doing st Mathis I know we are absolutely looking and Erica is knee-deep in this yeah before we had this the state law on compute the data privacy and I think you're a teacher you know teachers would either independently get things loaded onto their computers or schools by subscriptions to certain things and so you really wouldn't have a good handle on who was using what in the school network we're narrowing in on that and we as you know as a Cape member we try to funnel everything that we're doing to you know just to get back at what Bob was saying you know do things in line with the curriculum because we don't want we don't want I excel here and this program there the and so we're looking very carefully at that as we do we just did this year with paper subscriptions to things like weekly reader and all these scholastic for social studies elastic for science and just pulling all these random good resources but if they don't align and they're not aligned with what our curriculum is and they're not aligned with the standards we we just don't want that type of a helter-skelter approach to keeping kids engaged okay so I guess my question is what are we spending specifically being that I excel that is mighty used k5 if I don't know if we go with this if we just decide to go with st map wouldn't be also using my excel because there's only so many things that a student can do in a day I think in your question this question of savings saving okay is there is of some savings we can farm in the budget right so it wouldn't really yes it's very pricey and I think that so there could be savings that could be backed out of the closet yeah so what I'm just what I'm hearing is we might not deploy it to the degree and we might have savings that we can use to partially offset yeah that would be good we've already dug in on that process great question max we were talking about that tank like the day I talked about that today and the science is just to continue the National Geographic Estonian I'm sorry yes once that we're doing now that have been used very effectively have gotten positive feedback yes I mean it's it's work obviously and it's a different approach and the you know I we have principles here but speak to that there's the science project the science program is being very well received and the one thing that I'll say is I think that of all the companies that I've had involvement with over the past couple decades in terms of doing professional development I think that the professional development that they came and provided on-site for the teachers in using these modules was really the the best I've ever seen I had good feedback from teachers on that as well so does this what it would where are those science modules rolled out - at this point in time now if it says we're rolling it out grades one through five and we actually rolled it out to some other great site so we have we have purchased all of the modules four six seven eight okay so we're six seven eight six seven and eight did a pilot last year we brought in a new module that the teachers were trained there are three modules and each of those grades was brought in a new module in the beginning of this year and we have the third module and training will be planned for that third module this spring so do we need to do all grades one through five at once we're not actually doing it all at once so this is just for that then at the end of this this year Mary Rose will have all the modules for kindergarten and we will have we have one in grade one and next year we'll bring in two more in two more in grade one and then there will be a final one and grade one in the subsequent year so we're not we won't be done with the roll it would be too expensive and it would be too much for teachers to implement and for kids to be able to take on any one time and when did we roll out the sixth rate between last year and this year and one of the reasons why we decided to do that is because we're a little late to the party in in transitioning to NGSS and the the NGSS assessment counts this year so might so the question is a budgetary question if we've been rolling it out some this year and we're rolling out some next year and rolling outs on the following year why isn't it relatively flat why's there a bubble of a hundred and twelve thousand dollars so it shouldn't have there been some money in the budget from what we rolled out this year and it would be kind of flat year to year no we did it wasn't planned that way because the I can get all that information for you because we have it all laid out [Music] if it was because of the number of of the modules each grade had each of the grades has a different model numbers of modules and the middle school was a priority and you need more and more materials for the lower grades because in the middle school we only have two teachers per grade level so you only need two sets of teaching materials for each grade level and then the student materials which are much less expensive and the consumables go for like the five classes that each of the two teachers per grade teach when you get into the elementary grades out of you pattern nine teachers in a grade level or a degree level so you have just you know just the multiple from from two to eight you've you know quadrupled the amount of purchase that you're making so it's much more expensive to buy the materials for two out that the all the classrooms and the elementary grades and we did one for some of the elementary grades this year and now for next year we're going for two modules and then the following year the last module cuz there are four modules it's a number of number of kits that you have to buy because of the varying numbers of teachers I'm just so the I struggle with the bubbling phenomena that we're spending money on top of a budget that's already challenging to sell so I'm just wondering if there's an opportunity to smooth that out at all on our selection budgetary questions and I would say that that would not be in the best interest of students when it comes to the science because we're already a little late on on this transition so could you maybe at our next meeting we're gonna talk about SD math maybe just kind of here's what year by year roll out of house and why the costs behave that way I think we just need that information or a snapshot of where we've been yeah we're including where we've been and where we're going right you have all those yep No so in kindergarten there are a total of three kits available at the end of this year is Maureen stated dr.
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B stated we will be we will have all we have all three kits right now in kindergarten there are a total of four kits or modules available in grades one through five we currently is dr. B stated we have one kit right now in grades one through five in grades six through eight there are three total modules available and we have all three so we're really a complete with modules in kindergarten and in grade six through eight so kind of the bookends if you will in the budget request we're requesting two kits for grades one through four in the nineteen twenty and three kits in grade five that would complete great five as well so then we would be complete next year in all grades except for one through four where we would then have to put in in twenty twenty one request for the last kit for grades one through four and this also includes the PD which as dr.
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Ruby stated it was very very widely well received so my question takes those numbers and expands at one layer deep which is okay so when did we roll out the kits what did it cost us to roll out the kits and why is the cost behaving the way it is so it's just kind of a layout historically to the future on the whole roll out yes okay so what kind of links the dollars to the rollout right because as you said it's hard it's more expensive to roll out at the elementary level because you have nine sections instead of two right I understand that but it's but it's very it's it's hard to see it and how we have our budget [Music] so so if we're spending a hundred and twelve thousand four hundred incrementally next year that means the total actual spend is a lot more than a hundred and twelve thousand for the rollout next year because we spent something this year yeah you think total yes no Don no just next year spend if incremental and your request is one hundred and twelve thousand four hundred which is what's on the chart that me and you did some spending this year right so that means next year is that plus one hundred and twelve thousand no because one once you buy the kits and less people destroy them might replace yeah I was just talking about just budgetary but money so you spent let's uh let's make it for example you spent fifty thousand dollars buying kits this in the current year that would tell me that next year you're spending a hundred and sixty two thousand dollars bingo I mean it's where why don't we go away if we saw we're calling on to 112 is everything we're spending then there's a thirst using my example $50,000 that is being spent we expect this year that's being spent on something else in the status quo budget that's what I'm not fond do you really want to know what the increase is yeah I want to I want to see the whole picture because maybe it's less than 112 yes I can i think you follow my numbers if 112 is the total spend there was a deep decrease that should have been in the status quo as a decrease and that's what I would be looking for in such if 112 is not let's see if it's if it's truly the incremental then I want to see what the total picture yeah you see where I'm going this is because you can't just keep it move the current amount in a status quo flat and then say that I want to add to it by this amount okay I'm sorry I banged around this is the biggest number on the chart which is why I'm banging around on itself [Music] any other questions I just have a clarifying question I apologize a few assets at the last meeting but the 1.0 high school special ed teacher do do we know what that's what that teacher will be doing sure where that's needed well that relates a lot just harken back to October when we did the the case management reports to each of the special education teachers so it's directly that asked is directly impacted by the number of students and the current caseloads that the high school teachers have but I like to invite Christine up so you could share exactly the rationale for that requested so um based on our October 1 numbers at that point in time for our resource program at the high school so these are teachers who teach co-taught classes academic support types of classes the average caseload was actually twenty two point eight so almost twenty three students per teacher at that time we have very large academic support classes with lots of students in them those caseloads are larger at this point because we have had some students qualify for services or move into the district since then so adding another teacher of the high school would be directly for that resource type teacher and would help us to bring the case slows down if we had that teacher this year the cases would be at about 19 which is more manageable and with a co-teach or what they would be on a standalone classroom yeah so those teachers do a combination they co teach and provide academic support services and sometimes may make teach as self-contained English or math that's for students who have really significant learning rights so they all do a combination of those types of activities based on the student need the schedule the strengths of that teacher so we have some teachers who focus on English and their co-teaching gave me wish and others that might be doing math for example could we is there the thoughts to introduce co-teaching in social studies or Sciences with the addition of this new one is what we were hearing is that the students are clustered together as they should be for co-taught classes in math and literacy and because of the lack of scheduling availability in the high school they're usually clustered together in science and social studies as well but without the advantage of a cup of a protein so that is always going to be something that we're looking to do if we want to make a commitment to co-teaching in science and social studies we would be talking about adding more teachers absolutely absolutely so what I'm saying we're bringing the caseload down a little bit because we need more we need additional active academic support classes and some of our code taught sections have are quite large so we'd be looking to do that and if we can do it based on the scheduling year-to-year we certainly would try to do that but I want to be clear that if we're talking about making that commitment we would be talking about even more teachers this is to provide the same model of services in a feasible reasonable way not really understanding our services and I think it's important for the board and the public to hear to the doctor I'll help me out I believe making these these caseloads more manageable with the addition of the special ed teacher and down to about 19 and so let's assume that's the number that it becomes we've talked and I know we've talked as a board with me years ago when we did some analysis when mr.
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Manos was here that really ideally we look at caseloads and also a neighboring this more around the 15/16 they are they are lower than I guess yeah so 19 while more managable is not necessarily ideal it's not like no and then so the 19 students those are are you referring to students in a class with one teacher so like a resource room or possibly so I'm talking about students that are on one special education teachers case okay maybe just explain what that is for every writer absolutely so that means especially as a high school student this happens where frequently you may have multiple special education teachers because you take different courses so you may have a teacher in English you may have a teacher in math you will have one student who is the case manager that is a special education teacher who is primarily responsible for making sure that the child has an IEP that data is collected that meetings are held that information there they're generally the point person for information for the family and so it's really a case manager is the description it's really the person who makes sure that everything is functioning within the within the IEP we often we make sure that the case manager is somebody who sees that student for a substantial amount of time it's not a different person from your English teacher or your math teacher it will be one of those teachers or you're acting typically it's the person who students have academic support with because they are seeing that student and they're working with them and talking about how they're doing in all the classes all the time so it's it's one of the special education teachers that has the unique responsibility of managing that students entire program I will say that when you because all of these teachers teach academic support the reality is that some of our academic support classes and a look at mark for confirmation are this large there are 20 25 to 25 students in academic supports because each of these teachers teaches an academic support in addition to the co-taught so their caseload is that number and most of the students on their caseload are in their academics of our class their academic support class has that many students that's very large for special education services where students are supposed to be it's not a study hall they are working on their IEP goals and objectives and they may all be different and there's one teacher and they're working with upwards of twenty kids a large number there's not like a state mandated number you're supposed to be in compliance with of courses like that no we need to be in compliance with with a child's IEP so sometimes for students we might say they need smaller group instruction some of our teachers do that when I said before sometimes we have small group math and small group English those are are because students may require smaller group for their instruction but the academic support no there's no state there's no state mandate I'd like to go back to a question that Colette asked because we've just been doing some of our board visits at the at the different schools and I happen to go to Center in the high school and interestingly both of them I heard the same thing but in slightly different ways and both of them were regular ed teachers who would observe that over time as the percentage of students that are have special needs is increasing there there are some sections that have clusters of large numbers of special-needs students and some of those teachers are left with no help at all in the classroom and not a parent I was here in Paris down at the elementary level and I was hearing co-teaching at the high school level mostly around social studies in science I understand that so have we ever the question I have is if we ever studied class the classroom mixes on where we have just a sole regular education teacher alone with high percentages of special-needs kids in the classroom as when I say the high percentage is 40 percent of this classes special needs type of class we heard that a couple of times so I one thing is we're really careful about we do have clusters I mean that's the thing that has happened and we have them for English learners as well because it actually makes sense and is often good for students and good for our staff to have students with similar needs to be able to provide the best services for them small group instruction is often more powerful and more effective than individualized instruction so we do that intentionally 40 percent is high they're actually so I said there aren't guidelines for academic support there are got aren't guidelines for when we have students who are in regular education classrooms if we're going to call on a regular education classroom you can't have you know half the class have special needs so I don't actually think that our percentages are that high we look at them when we do the class placements very carefully I do think that it may feel the needs may feel significant and it is possible I have not been here for obviously a long period of time but the the percentage I know from looking at the data in brookfield historically the percentage of students with special needs with IEP s having has increased dramatically I don't know that the staff has increased the staff to support those students has increased to the same degree so it may feel more significant than it did maybe 10 years ago I haven't done that complete analysis but I do know that we've gone from about 7 percent 14 and that is very significant I understand it's significant and I'm always concerned if we have the wrong supports in some of the classrooms right so and and it's unrelated to budget to tell you if I just was a voice I heard that was louder than I expected that we probably ought to take some time and look at you know or how many of those situations do we have yeah and I would just I would just add that the principal's monitor those those class schedules often I'll just leave it at that and I would encourage anybody who's feeling that way and maybe it's an actual you know close to a reality to have that conversation with their direct supervisor their administrator and say this is a situation because those are conversations that could then happen with our special ed supervisors with Christine and we can have some really quick all hundred percent would be too high and we would take steps to remedy that I don't know where that classroom is I'm not aware of it okay I do thank you [Music] other questions [Music] um I do want to point out that we have our public hearing slash roundtable discussion on the budget prior to our next meeting in two weeks so the sixteenth so I want to dig in here and you know figure out where we're at and what we're doing I'm not sure we need to make any hard fast decisions until we at least allow the public the opportunity to provide input as well I mean at this point though we can go it Bob as you had said you know take a look and see what we think we've talked about most of them already I mean so the one way was we really haven't talked about whether there's a couple down in the pre-k but I think we had talked about that at the prior meeting you know the pre-k teacher the special education sorry the the speech and language and the Paras right those were all down to pre-k if I remember yes or kind of shuffled around on the Paras find out what it got us to pre-k talk about the American Sign Language teacher we didn't talk much about the BHS strength and conditioning coach the only $25,000 is that what are we hearing from the coaches about the need for that the the maybe mark you could come up to give a little more detail I know that mr.
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Baldwin our athletic director and director of phys ed and health for the district is really talks about the positives of having this and in the coaches and the students themselves and the parents talking about the the benefits of having strength and conditioning coach as gifted [Music] yeah from time to time thanks Ken and but not consistently from the booze club so maybe Mark you could jump in on that a little bit yeah so that the $25,000 well it's it's a four season so really be a full year most of our seasons run obviously fall winter spring so we're actually looking to have somebody also working over the summer it's something as supervisory certainly I mean to have somebody there who's well trained and well versed in strength and conditioning I mean not all our coaches while you may be a certified coach there's certain expectations you have to meet to get your coaching certification beyond just your first aid and CPR those sorts of things there's closing coaching modules you have to take but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're versed in how to build the strength and conditioning of athletes you know from nutrition on on through and you could just be a successful coach who really knows this more really well and understands tactics and things like that and has a general understanding of adolescent behavior and can talk about that when it comes to specific needs for each individual sport we don't have that and with a fantastic fitness facility that we have now and the opportunity the advantage that our athletes can have and parents are interested in certainly having their students have the opportunity to work with somebody who's other than the coach who actually has dedicated their career or their their life to doing this sort of work I think it certainly benefits it helps an injury prevention it helps an offseason training to make sure that athletes are well prepared going into the season so that they're strong and prepared aerobic ly and just physically fit because we do often see injuries we see a lot of that stuff that happens preseason our kids get started in the middle of the season they don't make it through the whole season because of injuries or improper training and just just gives us a little more consistency it helps coaches develop a solid plan as well they'd work with coaches not just with athletes they also work with coaches to help develop plans that would be best suited for athletes and what they're looking to do you know what we you know certainly I know we talked a lot about stipend is what coaches get paid but the amount of time that they put in the stipends that they make you know a nutrition plan and a strength plan is a part of that conversation that we plan plan is part of that conversation but it's not the primary folk this allows us to address a few other needs that our athletes certainly have but also work in conjunction with the athletic trainer as well to do sir things are done appropriately in the weight room and just in fitness and health in general how many other school districts have this position you know I don't know I could find out I can I can do that research before the next meeting and be able to present that how many districts have starting fish new coaches yeah thank you sure mr.
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Bhati probably everybody go thank you thank you thank you buck another question Ken and I apologize if I've asked this before there are three the assumption is three retirements built into this budget yeah three to four three to four and and how many did we have this year I lost count five five five but that was a large amount and more than has been historical the year prior we also had more than three okay so is three I mean is that it's a conservative number that you have I think it's a more realistic number than the two we put in before prior years okay any other discussions directions do um it's just a clarifying question I just want to make sure ever ever correctly on page 18 I'm trying to remember it's the yeah the are we going ahead with the enrichment tag teacher or was that the one we're saying we're gonna hold off on and hold off on that you really think thinking to our discussion earlier about framing the strategic plan looking and everything and also realistically looking at what we have the capacity to accomplish in one year's time and the consideration of summer school is also the thing we're gonna hold off on yes do we have any other requests or directions of the administration before the next meeting because I mean next meeting is really what we're gonna be doing the huge heavy lifting so this would be the time to say could you go back and take a look at this or this so we have that information for them well I'd sent in a bunch of questions today said hey what just so everybody knows what I did was I went through every line item in the budget today I was focusing on the status quo side because I actually thought this the fact that we had this one charger made it actually easy to go through the investments so I was focusing more in on the status quo of why did this behave and why did I behave and get some more details on things so I think when we have that it kind of opens the door to you know asking some of those kinds of questions and as I keep looking at it I'll keep feeding and with more questions sure but I'm trying to get to the bottom of are there any opportunities there things simple things like oh did we study you know they'll roll out on we talked about it earlier on the SD math right are there offsets sure I'm looking for those kinds of noises so that might be in the base budget so if we can get more information on the BHS business team leader like what's our current model you don't have to answer that now but what does that look like the whisk in ear clubs I know they're small ticket items you know we cut huckleberry clubs but yet we want to add some tomato these are two quotes from last year the Dena or I have two so just curious like what you know that was amazing penny years middle school posed new clubs so you like a deep description on the club yeah I'd be curious to know - if he asked for more than two and we put you put two in here or what did he only asked yes right yes okay these were the two that were requested last year that we did last year well we currently have a business team how many students are enrolled in that what what is a leader meet what did what happened in the past well thank you invited markup to talk about that um as we talked about you know with new business classes that we're proposing and all the work we're doing with deca and remember we were down to one business teacher a couple of years ago we added a business teacher so we actually have a business department now um so mark can talk about the need for that yeah and one of the other things that we've we've been working in the business department I've let me talk about the Perkins grant quite a bit it's a federally funded grant that we get every year it's the Bucks can kind of pass them out a little bit the college and career counselor has been kind of working with that but we find that there's a lot of gold between back and forth between the college and career counselor who does a great job with it but it's also kind of trying to it's been working with all that literally last year met with every single junior and their families it became a little bit cumbersome and has been working really hard to get that stuff done but all the money goes really to the business and family consumer science department so this team leader position really is somebody who would help to oversee the grant number one that's a huge piece that we would need to make sure expenditures and really that we're spending the money that we get in the right places it's not that we're not doing that now it's just I think it's inefficient the way that works and the extra time that's required to do that you know to oversee this Perkins grant isn't really accounted for any other way so that's one piece and then as we move forward curriculum work it's really important for us to really have somebody who's a leader s'en in that area to help lead that that team as we look towards skill-based and we're looking at you know for example as we start to expand our STEM program I'm going to need to expand our business program that's something that I'll consider to say we have to business teachers for this for a school of 868 kids that's pretty low that's something that's an area that I look to expand on eventually as well but to have somebody to help coordinate and do that sort of work would be really helpful on our end for the kids is it something that we can do without we we've been we have done without it so far I will say that we used to have a it was a CTE team leader last year we had somebody who are in a statement last year that got oversaw the Perkins grant as well as oversaw the to business teachers technology department and Howe mech button stem became one fact that person who did that from technology became folded into that department they're kind of leaderless I mean from that perspective of they still have mate and we work very closely together as they work with mrs.
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shady but to have somebody who's very well-versed in that particular area of business and marketing is really important I don't know those standards as well as I might know a math or a science standard and so it's really helpful to have somebody who has that leadership and that ability part of leadership team meetings and to help drive really where we go next with a skills-based program which we need to develop because right now I would love to offer at least 10 more electives that we just we can't do at this point so we're looking for leadership in that area as a teacher stipend this teacher said yes so the business teachers don't are not part of a larger department like humanities or stammering no they're off they're kind of an island on their own yep and this is just a stipend it's not someone take on that leader someone take on that leadership role and then which includes Burke the perfect grant which is a huge piece we want to make sure that you know like I said there's there's a lot of intermediary steps right now between that goes between one by the time the request gets in and somebody gets to it you know she ended working hard in college and career counseling to make sure that they get the particular request for whether it be a field trip or a rush development there's a lot of intermediary steps and what ends up happening receive it as a meeting with the business teachers and all the work really is on the business and marketing and consumer science teachers and to have somebody from that department lead that work makes more sense to me than having Shannon do it and the Perkins grant was like we expect it to be about stable from last year yes about some nice to about 19,000 yeah okay thank you can we just go back to the the enrichment tag teacher I guess I missed the conversation about holding off on that position till next year is there more work that has to be done from a consultants point of view on designing our enrichment tag program or I mean it it's I feel like it was such a big goal for this year and now to be tabeling the addition of the teacher it's sort of I just wonder if there's something else we could be doing so we're not just ya know I understand that putting the whole thing on hold yeah for now yeah I think I think it goes back to our earlier session you know conceptually about start times we want to do it right and with the I mean you just look at all the the implementation of the science modules I mean the math program is still considered new to some of our teachers all the curriculum design work that's going on there there is just a capacity issue for you know the models going to be an integrated enrichment model and we'll down the road get into exactly what that looks like so people to kind of visualize that but a major part of that is that the teacher the enrichment teacher would through clustering likely and scheduling of students who qualify under the new criteria that we've talked about we need to develop that piece as well is the teachers are going to have the classroom teachers who have these students are gonna have to be trained for proper differentiation or of those students and also the collaborative work they'll be doing in the planning in conjunction with the enrichment teacher as I said in my presentation a couple last month there just is what we have really frankly we're maxing out our teachers on how much they can do and so it really for me became the priority of where does this fit and then when does this fit and knowing kind of the broad vision of what I just described that we want to do I don't think are even on a small scale I think it would be too much I'm trying to bite off too much too much for us to chew and one year and I would want to be a successful rollout before everyone including the students I guess I would look for you know even something like after-school enrichment you know that that is covered by a stipend or something that is there to challenge the kids who just want a little more I don't know it seems like if it can't be if I understand why we can't add the teacher and why you know that the staff has a lot on their plates but it seems like maybe there could be something in between yeah I know that we have a lot of effort we have a lot of different after-school activities and clubs and I mean there there hasn't that kind of conversation really didn't come up mom because we're really so focused on what are we gonna do during our on a regular school time and you know in it really with the exception of the club somewhere skinnier additional things didn't percolate up through the budget process from teachers the principal's up to say hey could we try this after school I mean it just hadn't been part of our conversation in the development process this year do you think it might be a communication issue though maybe we can look at like what are the opportunities currently for enrichment in after-school and sort of do a better job of explaining that to families and kids so they understand yeah I mean if you're someone who would love a little bit more science this is or if you you really need to be more creative this club like maybe sure there's a way that we do those clubs exist I mean it's very straightforward we have a principals meeting tomorrow morning I mean we strategically scheduled it with the timing of the budget process and everything you know the vacation to be be tomorrow so we could follow up on this a conversation we can follow up on how to you know to inventory that and how is that communicated and out in each principle I'm sure does that to some extent they're building already but maybe there's a way to do that a little bit better well at least they give us an opportunity to address your question yeah so are there enrichment opportunities well like I remember we need to make it better but at one point with skinnier funded by the PTO was offering after-school activities that you know there were probably 15 different options and there was robotics and some really you know really interesting things that you didn't get to cover in in you know the everyday science class art class whatever and they were you know people who would fight to get into them because they were really interesting subjects and of course it requires the teachers willing to decide in zone right but you know maybe for a little bit of money not not $85,000 but you know a stipend maybe we can bring back some of those things and not rely on the PTO to raise the funds to support them because I think there are a lot of kids especially at with skinnier that are sort of craving something else a little bit more talk with principals talk okay thanks you got it thank you is there any way that kids may be from the middle school can I don't know partner do something with the with what's going on at the high school in terms of all the stem stuff going on there I know not during the day but like maybe if there's like I don't know we're only limited by our creativity and we have to you know those are conversations we have when people raise those and you know I'm we are all very open to when those ideas come forward to pursuing them if we can so all kinds of partnerships and ideas that's part of the I wanted to put out there that leadership for tomorrow in the community partnership in the civic engagement and thinking about that and you know that that's a position I see that could be a part of making some of this kind of stuff happen yes well again the ideas are great the creativity is wonderful but you know like Marc just explained about business you need someone who's going to take the mantle and run with it because as we you've done your visits to talk with the teachers and you know i I've done those individual visits and we all saw I mean our staff gets maxed out at a certain point so you know that's part of the initial discussion right that we just had you know at what point is it a breaking point you can't get people anymore to do and that's the rollout and science that we talked about how quickly make that happen so crickey wide open the thinking about it seeing how we make things up [Music] said differently we've been doing so much on curriculum it's rolling that out we can overwhelm our teachers very very carefully to make sure we don't want them off they have to they have to they have to help it's very important in the pace at which we've gone is we've had to go up because we weren't there so we we had to do a lot of catch-up we're still feeling some of that there's no doubt about any other requests for administration for next time for questions maybe Ken's been jotting these down making a nice list Ken you know we know we have Bob's questions that came through this afternoon maybe you can just go through that list to remind everybody as a closure to the meeting I think we're gonna look at I'm gonna remove the start time study priorities on the technology level funding items can we possibly reduce the St math if I know how much we spend on the I Excel see if there's any savings there can we smooth out the purchase of the science modules and we want to hear about your breakdown of our spending on that I determined what was the real incremental increase in the science modules how many districts in the area have strength and conditioning coaches I don't know if you need more data on the BHS business team leader after mark spoke description of the details on the clubs that the musketeer wants to add and then what after-school enrichment opportunities do we have now if I could find out like what the how many students would want to join a club like that like what was the buy-in for students yeah I don't know if we can find that out you know sort of like survey yeah the kids yeah yeah I don't we can quickly do that but you know that we might be able to this is thorough this thank you no shortage of things to do questions I mean it's just you can tell by the more questions we ask the better we understand well if I had more time to go through the budget and think this you know and then we can you advocate for it sure absolutely exactly so then we can bring this up next meeting and I do want to announce again and we probably need to really start communicating this to the public that we have the budget round table yeah slash you know discussion for the public at six o'clock two weeks from now Wednesday the 16th thinking we pushed out the text message school message today and we'll be pushing out the calendar by the end of this week and then I'm sure by over the weekend the three important things might be coming out right Rosa I'm just saying so there's a you know that but I think next week we have to sure well I think the more its advertised hopefully the more people end up on Facebook in a big discussion absolutely okay then we went to the new school building project that weeks gonna be a very busy week because our meeting and and the budget roundtable are on the 16th or the 15th is the town meeting to set the referendum date for the new school project that is again 7 o'clock at the VHS auditory on the 15th they're recommended and again I just try to get these dates out as much as I can I know you all know that but the recommended date for the referendum is March 5th so that's what will be voted on on the 15th there will also again be another presentation from the school similar to what we had in October but maybe a little bit more detailed as far as conceptualized drawings and plans in addition to that there will probably be more detailed financially as far as what this would cost the average homeowner at maximum at minimum going over through through the entire years so that will be there as well we are adding new presentation dates for the next two months as we even speak so the dance card is getting really full they're just kind of a gentle reminder if you had said that she would check with a certain mood group or groups if you wouldn't mind checking and getting back as soon as possible with us because we want to make sure we can get everybody that we can or if there are any others I know that you think needs you be perfect even if there are any small group elections for a favor that you think would would benefit from greater detail you know especially if it's a group that is normally not getting school reach messages or anything else whether they have you know young children or whether they don't have any children the house you know if we get a group together we're happy to go in and give a presentation there to the more people we can reach out to the better yep I didn't I didn't sign up to do any yet but if there if you need an extra person at any point you know just let me know I love that thank you and I think you had mentioned about the chance of the stats as well yeah baby awesome thanks could we ask the public to send us suggestions to four groups perfect idea yes please think if there's a group that they think we should reach out to should they email you can you do email the board a better you can email the specific new school project email which is www new school project dot news new school project at Brookley thank you it was struggling on the last one okay WWE new school project at Brookfield PS bat board um that's it unless anyone else has any input or discussion with new school project all right three main points yes yes the committee with the panel I think we just yeah we put it all into one yep and the capital improvement plan highlighting this school project doesn't pass how many how much as far as finances routing yes scenarios yes and air costs the cost it's a good thought yeah I mean we weighed that we haven't voted on it yet but if they were just presented and then with the scenario that if we do nothing we're occurring millions to keep this is that what you're getting at Georgia yeah we do nothing to kind of full I guess that's part of like the new school plan so it's a new new school but it's also part of capital yeah we did maybe the noose could you put it in the new school saying how we're gonna meet other organizations and then if you know of it or tie it in there lose that cation as a theme yeah the third thing I what is and I try to put it a little excitement around the program of studies there's a lot of interesting new stuff on there so you know not the budget things we've removed I'll do that next time next time well yeah we I don't think we've really decided on anything with the budget yet except for these yeah consultants right yeah so I think the heavy work on that's gonna be you know yeah as long as we can get the round table day out there something other than the three main points I think the part of the studies is a good one [Music] hey upcoming events Center elementary school there's a preschool open houses Friday January 4th from 10:30 to 11:00 there's a PTO meeting next Tuesday January 8th from 9:30 to 10:30 in the multi-purpose room at huckleberry there's a PTO meeting next Friday January 11th from 9:30 to 10:30 at was skinnier the chorus concert is next Tuesday January 8th from 7 to 8:30 in the high school tour auditorium and the band concert is on Monday January 14th from 7:00 to 8:30 and also in the High School Auditorium and the math league competition is on Wednesday January 16th from three to five thirty at broadville Broadview middle school in Danbury nothing to report from the high school that's great thank you very much okay then without objection meeting is adjourned thank you everyone I that was a very late evening [Music]
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good morning big hallo today is January 1 2019 this is WV a cheetah's I'm Sofia and I'm awake today for lunch there will be mini waffles sausage patty cucumber fresh potato orange juice and milk tomorrow breakfast there will be corn flake cereal graham crackers orange juice apple juice and milk we have some defense celebrating birthdays Aiden Norvik uncle Jalen Catalan yesterday's fun a question was the Himalayas the Andes the Rockies and the Smokies are all names of what land form the answer is mountains the winner is Piper and three Lukas come to the office to pick out your prize today's movie what is the name of the solution president this president business wants to use on how could you say remember to write here it's your neatly and include your name in class we have a special announcement [Music] we have a special guest hi everyone are you looking for something fun to do after school on a Friday well Friday night out is the place to be please come to join us on the afternoon of February 8th for games snacks and friends permission slips will be coming out soon so be on the lookout this is not something you are going to want to miss out on thank you and now we will observe abbreviated salads to reflect on the anticipated activities of the day please stand for the pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all have a Wacky Wednesday and remember kindness comes everyday everywhere thanks for watching bye [Music]
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January sure yeah I'm tried councilmember Eden Commissioner hukum your Commissioner Lenski Commissioner murski your Commissioner Cleve II hear chair Appleyard Commissioner 11:00 yep and we now have a new Commissioner Commissioner somewhere near I'd like to talk about the updating the projections for solar in the in our so it can be under business or some please any other changes to the agenda they approved with the changes as I submitted them they were just moved tweaks yeah ii favor hi we now come to the portion of our meeting where we can have public input we do have a few people in the audience so if anyone would like to get up and say anything about energy you have three minutes seeing no movement we'll call that closed and move on to the energy report all right so per usual we have kind of some internal and external news I'll start with the internal news we do have a meeting to look at turbines for pipes at the water treatment plant so we're at the point we're actually looking at possible applications for that these also been working a lot on it so we have a I think tomorrow we'll be going out there and seeing if they're a viable option for for our water treatment plant so to begin I think it's probably gonna be more of a pilot to see how applicable it is and then there's a chance if it goes well to build it out this isn't discharge water right what's that the discharge water I'm sorry the discharge water yes I also I'm currently looking at the landfill gas system and saying what it would take to to basically power wheeler with it we're looking at some of the numbers as far as usage in the area also conduit costs and other things that go involved with maintenance and operations there's something else that we're exploring is an option and then finally some really good news we've been looking at fire stations for basically installing solar and we're currently working with our attorneys to see if there's a way to get volunteer labor similar to what's tren ski has done in Ypsilanti for the sleeve in Arbor and things are looking promising so yeah as far as external news there's some not so good I've come as far as the solar tax exemption basically in December the Legislature passed an exemption it was a package of two bills one had to do with commercial and the other had to do with residential and they were tied together and our former governor Snyder decided that there was something wrong with one of the bills as far as dealing with new equipment but not existing equipment I believe and so he vetoed that so we thought we were through having tax solar in Michigan but now we're gonna have to go through the process again everybody it came as a big surprise to everybody big nobody expected that and we're not really sure how long it will take but it seems everybody seems to be fairly certain that they'll fix what was wrong with it and run it through fairly quickly but we shall see so I have a few observations on that from the I'm on the board director the great like Chernobyl Energy Association and they've taken some umbrage over the way this that was done there are some lawyers now involved to see whether or not that you can veto a piece of legislation based on faulty information this is one of the issues as being the other question is having led the tax fight on this in the first place and kind of looked at how to get this done as John then many of you know that not all the communities in Michigan taxol or in fact a small number do which means that it's a non-issue for most other communities so changing the law that was really difficult because we couldn't get enough people representatives senators and congressmen whose constituents who are concerned about this to get enough of a wave of people to build a coalition and to get this past it languished in the house under senator representative erlan for eight years in fact I couldn't even get it out of that Finance Committee to get to move it forward the the genius and I say this in the highest regard and respect for the Republicans that love this charge that they they push this issue of solar taxation in a bipartisan way and took leadership on because it made sense to everybody and they built a win-win coalition among Republicans and Democrats and in the house only two people voted against it and in the Senate it was unanimous consent to do this so the question going forward is does a Republican House and Senate want to hand a new Democratic governor of wind and solar taxation when hardly any of their constituents are mad about it and pushing them so I have to I think that Republicans in the state displayed extremely wise leadership and building this it's going to be hard to know whether that coalition and those good bipartisan feelings will will hold forward representative erewan is already trying to build a new coalition Republicans and Democrats to put this forward again and there's a lot of hope that he and and Senator Barrett will take the lead on this and and get this done but it's not it's not a slam dunk that well we'll just fix this one thing and put it back in the politics of solar taxation has changed significantly and dramatically thanks to our previous governor's decision to veto renewable energy legislation in the state that had the highest support of both parties of any renewable of legislation dating all the way back to the solar tax stuff under governor Blanchard so so if you see him and you will because he's coming to back to you however you remind him of this thank you other energy news it was reported that our us is greenhouse gas emissions are up again this year they had been dropping but they are up between three and four percent so we've got more work to do below and that's with all the significant changes getting away from coal so that's unfortunately other energy news okay we'll move on to recycling presentation about you're in denial or was it I'll just provide like one minute of conferences I invited Stephen to join us here this evening after consulting with our illustrious chair here I serve on the board of the Center for sustainable systems at U of M and Stephen presented this research that he's been doing to that board and I thought it would be of interest to this commission so lots of environmental impacts of which energy is one and it's I think it's a fascinating topic and kind of outside what we have discussed typically as a commission but you know one of the things we sometimes find ourselves to do is to find opportunities that are really in municipal scope so much of what's happening is controlled or largely controlled outside of what a municipality can do so this was of interest to me because of that so thanks so much for having me all right so as she mentioned my name is Stephen Hilton I'm a master's student at the school for environment sustainability and the College of civil and environmental engineering I am part of a group that is looking at urine diversion and recycling otherwise known as pee cycling and what I've been looking at is the environmental impact of doing this to see if it will actually reduce environmental impacts I'm part of a bigger team with Bo and Jo doctors Cillian Geiger scurrilous and love so when I tell people I am working on a thesis looking at here in the first question is usually why would you do that and the REE there are some major inefficiencies in our systems so we use a lot of nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers to grow our food to get these we need to extract considerable amounts of natural gas we need to do phosphate mining which is a destructive process and there are concerns about the longevity of phosphate rock so then we apply this to our food and then when this gets to our wastewater treatment plant we use a lot of energy and nutrients to get rid of these nitrogen and phosphorus that we need so much what we'd like to do instead is to return these to the field doing so would reduce the amount of mining and energy we would need to get nitrogen and phosphorus and it could reduce the energy and chemicals we need to get rid of the nitrogen phosphorous at the wastewater treatment plant itself so some of the special things about urine which is a phrase that's not uttered at most public meetings is that it's only about 1% of the volume of wastewater but it has about 70 to 80 percent of the nitrogen and about 50 to 60 percent of the phosphorus so if you could collect this small amount of urine you could have a long terms renewable supply of phosphorus and nitrogen fertilizers so we're looking to do here and have been working on is see if this has lower environmental impacts than what we currently do for wastewater treatment and fertilizer making and to do this we have been using lifecycle assessment where we're looking at all of the imp inputs like electricity chemicals all the mining or having to doing and all the outputs all the emissions to see if this is better for the environment in what ways lifecycle assessment is commonly used to do things like seeing if something is better for the environment to see ways you can improve something's environmental performance and is often used in some policies so to compare these we're looking at the flush water we're making for toilets we're looking collecting this wastewater treating wastewater and then making fertilizer whether it's from urine or if it's from mineral sources we are currently looking at the operations basis and we haven't assessed putting in the infrastructure required to do this yet the way we're comparing these cysts because they are kind of different is we're looking we're making sure all scenarios we run have this same amount of wastewater treated and the same amount of nitrogen and phosphorus treated so each scenario will have the same amount of people having their wastewater treated and the same amount of fertilizer overall and the way we're trying to see if this is better for the environment is looking at a couple things so we're looking at the greenhouse gases from all these activities the energy being consumed water consumed potential for acidification and nutrifix or potential algae blooms so what we the conventional system starts by putting a lot of effort into making a lot of very clean flush water this is then taken to the waste water treatment plant with all the other waste water and mixed we then use a lot of energy and chemicals to clean this week's water to make it safe for other sources we then separately again make those synthetic fertilizers using energy natural gas phosphate rock we have looked at two different urine diversion scenarios so in these we make less total flush water we then collect most of this year and we looked at 70% just see what it would look like on a large scale after we collect it we stabilize the urine we produce a fertilizer from it and then ship that out and then we also are modeling wastewater treatment out here to see how much energy and chemicals you would save by reducing all the nitrogen and phosphorus inside wastewater itself so all of that has been looked at as well because there are many different factors that could change how well you're in diversion does in different places so we looked at things like the types of wastewater treatment plants in different locations so we looked in Vermont Michigan and Virginia some just looked at one wastewater treatment plant some looked at like waste water treatments throughout the entire state so some of them are restrictive than the others for example the Virginia treatment plant is on the Chesapeake Bay which has some of the strictest nutrient removal standards so that's a place that could really benefit from something like you're in diversion and we also looked at plants throughout Michigan in Virginia at Vermont we also use the electricity grids from those states so over Vermont has the clean electricity United States and there are some differences between Vermont and the other states since we already made this model we did a little quick simulation a place similar to Ann Arbor we can call it an Harbor for the purpose of this presentation so we use the electricity grid that's supplying this area we looked at what we how we treat drinking water and how we treat wastewater here to make something again similar but not exactly the same as Ann Arbor just as a quick little comparison so if we look when looking at the total environment impacts you can see there's these gray bars editor the conventional system and beneath that are the orange and blue bars which are urine diversion systems what this is showing is that the environmental impacts in the vast majority of categories are much lower for these here in diversion systems so you can see somewhere from 25 to 35 percent reduction of greenhouse gases from these specific activities you can see a large reduction in energy water and unification the big exception here is you may see one blue bar that's taller than all the rest to make one of the in one of our scenarios we make a fertilizer that requires sulfuric acid so in that one there are some side effects of extra acidification potential that could happen this graph is looking at Virginia which is that poster child of that treatment plant that's extra incredibly strict if we look at the quickly run and harbors in that simulation we still see some very significant benefits they may not be as large because we are not treating to Chesapeake Bay standards but we're still seeing reductions of greenhouse gases in those activities somewhere from 20% a large reduction and energy and other impacts so we're gonna take a little look at what's changing in the actual system itself so we're benefiting by producing less flush water by changing how we treat wastewater and we are benefiting largely by offsetting synthetic fertilizers but to do this we do have to collect stabilized urine and then turn a new fertilizer and send that out does have an impact with associated with it some of the big pros changing how much flush water we use this significantly reduces how much we need for flushing your in diverting toilets use about half as much water as low-flow toilets which are better than what many people have currently so one very solve finding is a good way to save water is by using less water you can quote us on that one looking at wastewater treatment you can kind of tell as you have stricter effluent standards those plans will start to benefit more from urine diversion so you can see this boxed bar that is a plant similar to Ann Arbor's where they have pretty substantial reductions in greenhouse gases from things like having less electricity or needing less or doing less things to remove phosphorus it's not benefiting as much as that Virginia plant - it's right but it is still benefiting quite a bit and the biggest Pro is not having to make as much synthetic fertilizers from natural gas and phosphate rock so if nitrogen nitrogen fertilizers come from natural gas there's a big carbon footprint associated with those there are many environmental impacts with phosphate fertilizers as well in most scenarios we looked at for you needed to offset fertilizers for total environmental benefits so as long as I was happening you were reducing total greenhouse gases some of the downsides you do have to stabilize urine so we add a lot of vinegar to urine to stop it from clogging up our pipes and we also modeled collecting urine you may be aware there are not many large scale collection systems of urine so this is one part of our model that was a little more uncertain than the others because we didn't have as much to base it off of in addition while these making these fertilizers has much lower impacts than making regular fertilizers there are still definitely impacts associated with doing that so some of the major takeaways implementing your diversion is something that could be very difficult but it was done on a large scale you would have significant environmental benefits in all the locations we looked at there were seeing that there are large decreases in total environmental impacts so we reduce greenhouse gases by pretty wide range reduced how much water we used reduces the potential for algae blooms we either slightly decrease the acidification or increase it a lot depending on how we made our urine fertilizers we're benefiting a lot from reducing our flush water changing how we treat wastewater and offsetting synthetic fertilizers but to do that we can have to collect stabilize gear and turn it into a fertilizer and ship that out so some of the biggest factors here are the electricity grid being used if you save a lot of electricity in a place that's supplied by solar energy that's not as big of a deal as if you save electricity in a plate place supplied by coal how you treat your wastewater so for your place with very strict standards you would lower the impacts of just treating wastewater but if it was a place that was a less strict you may change how much nitrogen or phosphorus would go into the waste water since the less is coming into the treatment plant itself and then you also depends how we're collecting urine and how we're turning it into fertilizers if we're looking at this and harvest scenario we see that it could be a municipal strategy that would lower some energy and greenhouse gas emissions again this was not everything about Ann Arbor this was just a place pretty close to Ann Arbor so it reduces energy in a lot of areas such as secondary treatment and wastewater treatment plants that's where the most of it that's where the majority of the energy is consumed there and has mostly large the largest impacts and something you kind of seen quite a few life cycle assessments is that a lot of the benefits happen in the supply chain so if you looked within the bounds of Ann Arbor you may see greenhouse gas emissions or energy consumption that's pretty close to where we started but when you look in the supply chain you have significant benefits because you're not making chemicals to remove phosphorus you're not making fertilizers from natural gas so far we've published report and made an excel tool which we used for the Ann Harbor in Aereo we are currently working on a journal article there is quite a bit of work that could be done there are some groups looking kind of into the economics of this and some of the best places to implement it but there's a lot more we can look into how we make our fertilisers how to make them better and as you may have noticed you're in diversion isn't a common thing so actual more field trials in places other than the second-floor bathroom in the Gigi Brown building on University of Michigan could be implemented it does anybody have any questions and if you would like to contact me my email is below eerie yes I like your presentation I think it's great yeah just an observation yes in the mid nineties a congressman Nolan Berg who's southeast Michigan he had a campaign slogan to keep the government out of our bathrooms he led the legislative effort that blocked low-flow toilets his legislation was co-sponsored with Newt Gingrich and congressman Bob Walker from Pennsylvania collectively known as the Three Stooges but I guess I would say you know no good idea goes unpunished and probably to be worthwhile to take a look at the industries or those interests that you know would not want to see this happen and begin to figure out how to co-opt them early on when we got into the opposition from congressman Nolan Berg why he hated low-flow toilets so much it was because he got major campaign contributions from the plumbers so I don't know if this uses less piping but um well you've got all the good ideas down there I would advise you to take a look at who loses when you do this and co-op them early we may have the plumbers on our sides because this would be a lot of piping that would need to be installed so we may have that one very specific demographic covered yes very important demographic apparently there's actually another part of it that's kind of looking at people's reception of this kind of idea and they have been interviewing various stakeholders so there is a group kind of trying to see who might not like this what the support level would be which is very important because if you can show this has great environmental benefits but then nobody wants to do it right it's more of just a publication so excellent so I assume that you're in your calculations you figured in how much energy it takes and everything to grow whatever you make the vinegar out of so yeah we actually um so we used a database called SEMA Pro this is something commonly used in life cycle assessments and they have looked at the impacts of making vinegar pretty much we we did we got a source I was pretty much around the United States so we had the environmental impact of making the vinegar itself on there and that was one that was one of the bigger factors it was not like the biggest factor which might be things like making sulfuric acid for your some of your not fertilizers and some of the collection aspects but so there are things called composting toilets yes and they maintain that they get high grades liquid fertilizer out of it mm-hmm directly and that you can actually use it on plants there's an out any of this intensive treatments yeah there's actually actually have all this on the Dana building it sees the kind of benefit to this the I guess composting toilets have been a lot more common more in like rural areas or further outs this is something that could potentially be like implemented in a large building so you could put this in a school building in an apartment building you could put this in new developments or make renovations so this is something that it would definitely take effort but could kind of work within the existing system whereas composting toilets are still a great option and there are some places that that work very well the ideal is this would be one option in addition to those there to out at Leslie Science Center all right just actually see about 30,000 kids a year oh well okay and they've been there for what on the other thing that comes up is actually getting this approved yes and I personally have tried to actually get composting toilets approved in Washtenaw County and have had significant issue problems for the most part the county doesn't want to see him although other parts of Michigan including the state plumbing Review Board have no problem with urine diversion might have a similar educational issue with local yes a couple of comments okay first of all this might also be of interest to the environmental Commission okay so I don't know maybe you repeat performance they're also really backing on marks and Wayne's comments Commissioner clealy and chair Boyard I think what you're hearing from us is that there are other non technical related issues to this and it might be worthwhile in partnering with the Ford School of Public Policy to look at you know the issues on the political side on the lobbying side who's gonna you know there's probably not a P Lobby there's a fertilizer and a natural gas Lavin II know so those kinds of if you get to a certain point then working on the policy side kamini makes make sense and just the last comment is is this done at scale anywhere else in the world like in a developed country in Europe or in Asia so most of the implementations have been they have them like up to neighborhood sizes so far so a lot of those have been a little like more decentralized so you'd have a collection center in the middle of the neighborhood or in the middle of a couple different apartment complexes other than that there are a couple like University and Institute's that have them in put in large scales South Africa summer in South Africa they have a decently large installation this is not yet been done on an entire town scale yet this was kind of just to get a feel for if this were done on the town scale what might be the environment acts might get expected and I can come in and then yes and one of my earlier day consulting projects which now is coming to fruition surprisingly in places like Phoenix and in Texas they've actually implemented this and now in Phoenix I've told this year we're gonna see rules where they can direct inject wastewater from wastewater treatment plant into drinking water mmm so yeah it'll be unique we've been fighting this for a long time and imagine the public pushback on that where's your water coming from really they do that the thing that I see overall you might want to look into Phoenix cuz there's not a ton of work done on that ever Texas to has some some work done but we did the lifecycle review this because there was energy and greenhouse gas issues so we act even a number of years ago we looked into this I think the thing with Michigan it draws a little bit of parallel here is as our source water becomes contaminated are there gonna be some other drivers externally to this whole solution that might make sense so I'm not sure our waters gotten to that state yet but there are places in this world where the drinking water is quite bad maybe there is some logic to putting something like this in situational areas like that yeah I think it'll be a tough sell in Ann Arbor maybe gradual but I think there's opportunities now we have pee fast in our water so Phoenix is doing this and in fact rate wait that wastewater reuse process other than putting it in drinking water they use it on golf courses and everywhere else on the ocean yeah use pretty common yeah I think there are other issues but I think California had a failed implementation earlier on and I think they've started trying to redo that but yeah there have been some significant political barriers in the past so other questions comments mr.
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welcome thank you for coming and viewing our 2019 Dysart district spelling bee we are excited to have our students here today we've had a lot of local spelling bees going on around the area there will be a Regional Spelling Bee and the state Spelling Bee to look forward to so we're going to wish everyone good luck today we're excited to have them and we're excited to have you here as well lots of support thank you we do have several judges from our district side so we have the three and we also have our pronounced er my job is to let everyone know what the rules are going to be I've not after three years I've still not memorize them so I will be reading them I'll read them slow it at any point we'll just stop proceeding and make sure that all of these rules are followed so that there's not any questions in competition after pronounce er gives the contestant a word the contestant will be encouraged to pronounce the word before spelling it and after spelling it however no contestant will be eliminated for not pronouncing the word the contestant must spell the word that is pronounced while the judges attempt to detect a spellers misunderstanding it is sometimes impossible to detect a misunderstanding while her until a spelling error has been made the judges are not responsible for the spellers misunderstanding the contestant may request the pronounce er to pronounce the word again define it and use it in a sentence the contestant may ask for the language of origin no other information about the history of the word will be given the pronounce er would not entertain root word questions or requests for alternate definitions or requests for markedly slower pronunciation the pronounced er shall grant all requests until the judges agree the word has been reasonably clear to the contestant the judges may not qualify a contestant who ignores a request to start spelling the judge may be also disqualifying the speller who does not approach the microphone when it is time to receive the word I can imagine that happening but with its in the rules the role of the pronounce er is to pronounce the word as needed that pronounced er will give it a sentence definition and other information is totally described the role of the judges is to determine whether the contestant has spelled the word correctly the role of the speller is to gather as much information as possible to help spelled out word correctly and then spell the word correctly it is the spellers responsibility to understand the word the judges may not disqualify a speller for asking a question the contestant starting to spell the word may stop and start over retracing the spelling from the beginning but in the retracing there is no change of the letters or their sequence from when they are first pronounced if the letters are changed or the sequence is changed in respec the speller will be eliminated the spelling bee shall be conducted in rounds and each contestant remaining in the bee at the start of each round shall spell one word in the round that is until we have two spellers remaining at that time there's another set of rules and I'll come up and explain those so we are ready to begin round one yes let's practice round this these are a practice round getting used to coming up to the microphone spelling simple words getting them used to the proceedings your word is cold cold SI o LD cold that is correct your word is bolt bolt the OLT bolt that is correct your word is holy holy h o l ly holy that is incorrect your word is lime lime l IM e lime that is correct your word is army army a are my army that is correct your word is pump pump P UMP pump that is correct your word is banned bannd ba and deep band that is correct your word is hand and H a and D and that is correct your word is many many M a and why many that is correct your word is kind kind ki and D kind that is correct your word is king king k ing King that is correct your word is pint pint P int pint that is correct your word is bound bound Bo und bound that is correct your word is odd odd Oh didi odd odd that is correct your word is pod pod p OD pod that is correct your word is ace ace ace ee ace that is correct your word is to you do you okay that is correct your word is car car CA our car that is correct your word is few few f UW few that is correct matter where that microphone is okay okay your word is gnat gnat and a tea net that is incorrect your word is tattle tattle T a TT le tattle that is correct your word is hearth can you repeat that part o H e a whole th health that is correct your word is candidate candidate C a n di da te candidate that is correct your word is nosiest use it in a sentence please sure the interviewer has the reputation of daring to ask the nosiest questions nosiest n o s i e s t nosiest that is correct your word is unity unity you and I T Y unity that is correct your word is harmonica harmonica harm133 your word is pretzel pretzel p r e t z e l pretzel that is correct your word is renovate renovate our e and o v a te R an of 8 that is correct your word is hurricane hurricane H you are are I see a and E hurricane that is correct your word is ballerina ballerina be al RI and a ballerina that is incorrect your word is gradient can you use it in a sentence please absolutely signs on the roadside warned of the increasing gradient ahead and cautioned drivers to check their brakes ok gradient G R a DI a NT gradient that is incorrect your word is tofu tofu tea Oh f-you tofu that is correct your word is cameo visit in the sentence please absolutely the producer was grateful that the star accepted a cameo in his new film cameo see a e/m a cameo that is incorrect your word is hypothesis hypothesis h YP o th es is that is correct your word is spectrum spectrum SP EC T or um spectrum that is correct your word is fidelity identity fi d e l IQ i fidelity that is correct your word is denim denim de and I am denim that is correct your word is tragic tragic t.r a GI see tragic that is correct your word is rehearse rehearse our e h e AR SE rehearse that is correct your word is hominem hominem age oh um oh and why am hominin that is correct your word is fathom fathom F á þ Oh mmm that is correct your word is finale finale I and a L II finale that is correct your word is interrupt interrupt i n t you PT interrupt that is incorrect didn't your word is polymer polymer key please say in a sentence absolutely fascinated by the polymer they had created the students tossed it from one side of the lab to the other polymer P o l y m e our polymer that is correct your word is stucco stucco s t u c ce o stucco that is correct your word is bevel he uses and absolutely Jesse will bevel the edges of the cabinet he is making for his mother bezel be Fe il double that is incorrect your word is cafeteria cafeteria see a ET e are I a cafeteria that is correct your word is apricot apricot AP are iclt apricot that is correct your word is worrisome worrisome wo rry som e worrisome that is incorrect your word is diagnosis diagnosis diag1 of diag1 your word is paddock paddock P a DD o ck paddock that is correct your word is popularity popularity P o P you la are ity popularity that is correct your word is boutique boutique B oh you TI q ue boutique that is correct your word is daffodil can you use it in the sentence absolutely the daffodil is Madeline's favorite spring flower daffodil D a FF o d IL daffodil that is correct your word is Alamo Alamo a L a mo Alamo that is correct your word is carnivore use it in a sentence please absolutely the hyena is a carnivore that usually eats animals found dead carnivore CA are M IV o r e carnivore that is correct your word is fiery fiery ie ry fiery that is correct your word is panic panic P a and I see panic that is correct your word is giraffe is in a sentence please absolutely each giraffe has a unique pattern of coat markings that distinguishes it from all other giraffes giraffe G I are a F of a giraffe that is correct your word is excise you can use it in a sentence please absolutely an excise is included in the cost of a fishing license exercise e XC is e exercise that is correct your word is - I think hy eh oh and - that is incorrect your word is trauma trauma t r au m a trauma that is correct your word is crochet can I have it can I have it in a sentence absolutely Haley could barely begin to understand I'm sorry that was the wrong sentence crochet Linea decided to work on her crochet during the airplane trip can I have the definition absolutely needlework consisting of the interlocking of looped stitches formed with a single thread and a hooked needle crochet C R o CH eco che that is incorrect your word is praline can I have it in a sentence please mm-hmm the praline is a favorite candy in some parts of the southern United States praline P are a yl EE and praline that is incorrect your word is incorruptible can you use it in a sentence please the local police force prided itself on being incorruptible incorruptible I can see you oh you P T a ble and corruptible that is incorrect your word is albatross albatross a L be a TR o SS albatross that is correct your word is hazard hazard H a Z a rd hazard that is correct your word is quesadilla quesadilla usually say in a sentence Joyce usually eats a quesadilla as an afternoon snack quesadilla q you e-s-a D I ll a quesadilla that is correct your word is croquet okay see our o qu e T croquet that is correct your word is postmortem can you repeat the word post-mortem post-2000 correct your word is morgue you use it in a sentence please absolutely the television show about investigating crimes usually has at least one scene that takes place in a morgue morgue Mor gue morgue that is correct your word is anchovy anchovy a and CH OB ie anchovy that is incorrect your word is Clementine Clementine CL e em e n TI n e Clementine that is correct your word is Galleria use in a sentence please absolutely the malls Galleria is lined with 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word is participant participant part-2 i PA and t participant that is correct your word is fennel fennel may I please have the definition mm-hmm a perennial European herb not native to North America and cultivated for the aromatic flavor of its seed fennel f e and an e L that is correct your word is harpsichord harpsichord har p.s.i CH Ord harpsichord that is correct your word is Buccaneer Buccaneer B you see C a and E E are Buccaneer that is correct your word is ravioli ravioli are a V I Oh L I ravioli that is correct your word is amnesia amnesia a m n e s I am Nisha that is correct your word is vogue vogue q please tell me language of origin sure this word is from an Italian derived French word okay folk v o gu evoke that is correct your word is synopsis synopsis s y n o P s I s synopsis that is correct your word is Piazza now the definition is absolutely an open square in a town your pewter please absolutely piazza p f PS FP la za Plaza jyotsna that is incorrect all right we are now in our final round of two spellers incidentally our last five spellers will be going on to regionals what you'll will get information in the mail shortly then these two will have specific rules at this point when one speller misspells a word the other speller may be given the opportunity to spell the same word if the second speller spells the word correctly plus the next word on the pronounces list then the second speller shall be declared the champion if one of the last two spellers misspells a word and the other speller after correcting the error misspells the new word then the misspelled new word shall we be referred to the other speller are we all confused yes we've got the rules down though if the other speller succeeds in correctly spelling the word on the next word on the list then he or she is declared the champion if the speller misspells the same word both shall continue in the competition and the one who first misspelled the word shall be given a new word to spell the champion is not the champion until he correctly misspells corrects the misspelled other spellers word and incorrectly spells the next word on the list so they have to spell the word were two words correctly in a row all of that for for just that they're spelling the two words in a row correctly so good luck gentlemen here we go your word is semolina can you please say in a sentence yes it is often said that the best pasta is made from semolina you please tell me the language of origin this word came from an Italian which formed it from a Latin word semolina is e m o L I and a semolina that is correct your word is Satori Satori s a t t o are I Satori that is incorrect satori q please tell me key please say in a sentence the primary method of achieving Satori is through the use of riddles that provide material for meditation can you tell me the language of origin this word is from Japanese Satori s a T Oh are I so Tori that is correct okay your word is etymology q please tell me language 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Pearson I just wanted that quickly thank you the presentation and also really reiterated John's point I have been in conversations with the environmental condition if you are willing to do a presentation I think okay that sounds great thank you thanks for taking thank you let me take your time to talk about urine most people don't do that so okay thank so much thank you very great presentation moving right along we're gonna get a tubing in to menuing germany sure I mean just I should go to the podium to do that right yeah is it loaded so good evening fellow commissioners and the audience and others may be on closed-circuit TV I offered to present this presentation that was actually presented by representatives from Tubingen in Ann Arbor when they visited in late October and early November so very briefly tubing in is a sister city it's the first sister city Ann Arbor has I believe six sister cities and to begin it was the first sister city of the city of Ann Arbor and there's been regular exchanges between the two communities and last year there were there was a contingent of 15 people from to begin that came to the United States spent some time in Washington DC and then here in Ann Arbor to sort of observe and become informed about the election process in the United States and there were a number of different activities in Ann Arbor including an event at SPARC where there were three council people from Ann Arbor and three also from Tubingen that talked about some environmental type issues related to both communities as well as some other issues that were sort of prevalent in in both of the two sister cities so I'm gonna present what was shown at that meeting and this is about to be ins climate change related activities their motto is to begin goes blue and that doesn't have anything to do with the University of Michigan and going blue actually the the German term is to begin matte blue which means basically tubing in makes blue I don't know why the color blue but that's their motto and it's a program that was implemented by their mayor in 2008 and there's some statistics in here that I thought you might be interested in but also some information about tubing and as a sister city so tubing in is a university town like the United States it's situated on a river it was also grown up around a number of Mills just like Ann Arbor did so there's a lot of similarities between the town you can see in terms of the size of the city about the same size as Ann Arbor with roughly the same size of students a little bit less town is a little bit older founded in where the university is a little bit older founded in 1477 and you can see that like Ann Arbor the University and the hospital clinics there are the largest employer in the town and since 1993 it's been a member of the European climate alliance and they they see that the same kinds of things that we're seeing in Ann Arbor growth and population and then also a growth from growing industry and employment mostly clean type of industry but nonetheless there's consumption of energy related to that Energon growth so tubing in in 2003 had a implemented a guideline called sustainable city city development with targets set for 2030 and included some traffic planning and also looked at the activities related transportation and mobility within the city and development also within the city bounds again these are kinds of topics that are challenging us in Ann Arbor and potentially could be of interest if we wanted to do some additional sharing of experiences and solutions so this has been a focal as I said since 2007 this campaign was kicked off in 2008 other things that they're looking at in addition to the ones that I mentioned before are things like child care municipal finances and climate protection in general so in terms of policy goals they implemented a set of policy goals related to climate act in November of 2015 the goal was to achieve a 25% reduction in the energy use and related to carbon dioxide compared to 2014 reducing that by 25 percent by 2022 they have already achieved that goal achieving and 30% reduction already by and we'll get to some of the reasons why why that is the municipality and subsidiary companies and what they mean by that is they have a municipal utility there so that's a big advantage they wanted to set an example for climate protection they wanted to build infrastructure that provides options for energy savings and for climate protection and they wanted to inform the community about environmental protection and how climate plays a role in that as well as energy savings and how to motivate citizens to participate in the goal achievement so one of the things that they're doing is funding of photovoltaic systems there's incentives and in place for solar in on both residential and commercial properties the local provider as I mentioned is a municipal utility it installs photofit Hague systems and funds the photovoltaic construction of both residential and corporate installations and there's an obligation to install photovoltaic systems as a part of property purchase contract so it's somewhat similar to what was recently enacted in California where there has to be solar installations with canoe construction so this is pretty dramatic this is shows the number of systems that they had in 2007 when the campaign was kicked off at that time they had 1177 systems and by 2018 they had 12,500 systems in place so there was a tenfold increase over that period of time in terms of systems I don't know what the growth was in the number of kilowatt hours generated or in the ratings of the systems presumably it was something similar to the same level of increase but that's really pretty dramatic especially compared to what we've seen here in Ann Arbor so the the utility provider they have already converted to 100% green electricity for all municipal operations so what essentially that is equivalent to is the target that we've set for Ann Arbor that we are cleaning hundred percent clean and renewable and on the electric side in Tubingen they are already 100% clean and renewable so other public institutions have followed I don't know exactly what that means I assume these are other kinds of public entities that are within the bounds of Tubingen they have also moved to a hundred percent green electricity as you can see here citizens receive a hundred euros for buying what they call a pedelec but that's an e-bike for using green energy and they also get some other incentives for example they get an incentive like has offered in Michigan by utilities and elsewhere for for example switching out an old refrigerator for a new refrigerator that can be up to 100 euros they also can finance improvements on for example upgrading their envelope so if a home owner is doing a major renovation they can actually get additional up to five hundred euros for doing that and they can also it's how do you say basically like a mortgage for doing the work and the pay payback of that mortgage is handled through the utility bill where they basically then pay the the loan back to the municipal utility so they have some interesting mechanisms in place to be able to promote their program and as you can see here if you're looking across the entire city the goal of reaching 50% reduction from excuse me 50% from renewables the target was to achieve that by 2020 and that was reached by 2017 so again in summary terms of municipal operations they're 100% renewable already and in terms of citywide community wide they're already at 50% renewables this is also pretty significant the scale is not going to zero so don't let this the the y-axis for you a little bit but nevertheless they've had a significant reduction in power consumption per inhabitant it's down 13 percent over that time period and it would be interesting jazz I sent you an email don't know if you can provide that to us later but I asked for what our power consumption is per inhabitant it might be also a metric that we may want to track here in Ann Arbor in fact I think we even talked about that when we had the metric subcommittee that we would consider looking at that or we also looked at some other things in terms of power consumption per square foot of building space or something like that a building energy can some intensity can metric but you can see they've reduced in roughly and this is 10 years this show only shows through 2015 I don't know why they ended it there but they achieved a 13% reduction over that time path or time frame with the actions that they've implemented and in terms of co2 emissions per capita they have also during the same timeframe 2006 to 2015 reduced those by 30% again I don't know what happened since then I know that there has been some flatlining in terms of Germany in total in terms of their co2 reductions because they have been shutting down their nuclear power plants and basically in terms of Germany across the entire country they have not reduced their greenhouse gas reductions but their last nuclear power plant will be taken offline by either 2021 or 2022 and so that may have also some influence on individual communities like Tubingen so I've actually looked at their website they have a website for this initiative tubing and goes blue and you can see it here the problem is it's all in German as you might expect so looking at it really probably doesn't get you a whole lot a couple of other things that they're doing that was not in the presentation I talked with the councilmen afterwards and one of the things that the city does or potentially it's the municipal utility is the German government provides retraining for unemployed people in in in Germany and that's done it that both the federal and the state level and what Tubingen is done is they are providing training for unemployed individuals to become energy consultants and auditors so people within the city limits in Tuebingen are being trained to do this they're gaining new skills they have to go through let's see I made a note here 12 full days of training too become certified and those people then are going out into the city and conducting energy audits and consultations for the benefits of the residents it's not clear to me and I couldn't find it on the website and I didn't have time I didn't look into that this earlier but I I don't know how those individuals are compensated whether they're compensated by the utility or by other measures another thing that the municipality is doing is they provide training for people in entities that are responsible for building energy management so people that are doing building management and they're paying the utility bills and they're switching out the light bulbs and things like that they train those people in energy efficiency measures and they have some type of revenue or savings sharing plan in place where 50 percent of the savings through the measures taken flow to the entity or stay with the entity and fifty percent somehow flow back into the community that may pay for the training that may pay for these people that are being retrained that are unemployed but they're obviously looking at this holistically and using savings from energy reduction activities and in the expenses to be able to plow those back into the utility and just a few other things the mayor of Tuebingen who kicked this off in 2007 2008 he was recently awarded the European climate star for 2018 and as you can see here I'm Watson eager when he was the Governor of California was also recognized with the climate star award so to begin is quite proud of of their activities and tubing and wants to know if we're going blue too so I don't think we have to answer that tonight but I thought that it might be interesting to see what our sister city is doing in Germany and you get a sense that not only what we hear sort of generally but specifically many European cities are way ahead of us in terms of what they're doing and the kind of reductions that they've already achieved and by the way it would be if interesting if we got the statistics from from Josh typically the Europeans are starting already at levels much much lower than ours in terms of their greenhouse gas emissions in terms of their energy consumption per individual and yet they were still able to make significant improvements both in consumption per individual as well as total greenhouse gas reductions so they're doing a good job any questions yeah I think we can't understate the role of the municipal utility in in this for sure so they're in a position actually to do a lot I would encourage you to share this report with two places in Michigan first was the Michigan Municipal Association which is MMA which is down the street you know they're the cities and townships and others are their members and also more importantly the Michigan Municipal Utility Association it's 42 cities in Michigan that are municipal utilities who have the you know the legal structure to do what these guys are doing they may not have the wherewithal but you know there are Lansing's of municipal City yep right so I think they might be interested in this and get something moving duly noted any other questions yes okay and if you can speak to the role of regulations and building standards hmm like either locally or naturally I don't know how they compare to u.s.
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standards I know generally speaking Wayne might have some insight from his background but generally speaking the energy standards in Europe are you know tremendously higher than what they are here but that's been the case for a long time in a lot of for example the Passivhaus design standards those originated I'm in Germany and I there's just a handful of those kinds of buildings in place in in the United States and Canada also - and actually there's even a hospital in Frankfurt that is being designed and built - passive house standards so it's this is not just residential scale they're applying this at a larger scale and it's also then frankly an indication for the University of Michigan that's now looking at making a commitment of carbon neutrality that when they say well this is very difficult to do for the medical system if an entire hospital is being built to pass up our standards in Germany you know that some of the expansions that university hospital system is looking at could be done there but I know I have personal friends in Germany I worked for a German company for 37 years they renovated a house and this was a stone house was that what had insulation on the inside when they renovated it and redid the envelope they replaced all the windows they added something like 7 inches of insulation on the outside of the house and then re stuccoed the outside of the house so they're really much much more aware than we are but honestly they're also incentive fide for doing it because the utility costs are quite a bit higher there so the - the energy standards are a lot higher but also the utility costs are higher so the payback is better I think also for a long time and I'm not sure exactly where it sits now they had a law that said that if you installed solar and fed it into the grid at all that you got paid basically for I mean it guaranteed to return on your investment they did they gave you an incentive way above what the cost of the electricity was correct right it was I'm pretty sure we didn't those have expired that was the case in Germany also in Spain and particularly like in Spain where they had budget issues they let those kinds of incentives expire but yeah if you drive around Europe whether it's Germany or elsewhere particularly in Germany you see solar installations all over the place I mean this is you know this is a thousand of eighty eight thousand people remember that that's a town of in multiple people are living per dwelling and there were twelve thousand five hundred solar installations in the town of eighty eight thousand people John I think that slide said it was peak kilowatts yeah wasn't it wasn't number of installation yeah let's see photovoltaic systems peak yep you're right okay yeah that so that was nothing not row and a half so that's still still a significant yet so chill watch peak yep thanks you for catching that so John yes do you know what the relationship between local and the state government is there you know so much of what we would like to do or prohibited from doing by our state government right that's it's not an issue in Germany as far as I know because the federal government and the state government have been big promoters of greenhouse gas reductions and so I don't think you see the kinds of issues that you see here in Ann Arbor where energy building standards are much lower than what we would like to see practice here in Ann Arbor and enacted and we're obviously prevented from having higher standards here the standards are already hive at the federal level and at the state level so I don't think they have those kinds of issues as well so clearly the regulatory environment has a big impact on what the city can do the fact that it has a municipal utility also has a big impact as well I mean they're they're taking revenue from that municipal utility and plowing that back into energy efficiency measures to training of people those kinds of people going out into the community and doing audits it just speaks for you know what what that kind of benefit could be for cities like you're talking about for Lansing and Traverse City and other municipal utilities or an arbor or Ann Arbor someday never know couple steps away right any other questions thank you yeah thank you I just leave this up or get out or it's okay thanks well that was enlightening next on the agenda solar access draft resolution so Josh passed out a update of what I presented in December in our workshop there were a few changes made I can point those out before a before we carry it forward maybe on line with what we're looking at in essence we got I get some feedback regarding why are we doing this and I guess one of the big drivers is I have not personally had this happen but it could easily happen and where I'm living but I have had friends who put in solar systems they're called SES is in this document and the investments that inexpensive and the taxes you have to pay on it adds even more lifecycle dollars to what you're investing and to have you build one a landowner build one and then have their next-door neighbor decided to build an extension to their building that's higher and block all access to the solar system maybe even as part of the shading is added but I know in one instance it's pretty much a significant component of the annual solar irradiation is blocked now it doesn't seem fair you've spent all these dollars to do something smart and renewable and then you've gotten walked by somebody next door without any pretense so the idea here with this proposed ordinance and it's not something unique it's been done in many other communities is it brought out through research um a couple things though they're not one size fits all depending on where you're at what kind of a what kind of a city you're in what kind of land you have available what the spacing are in different businesses things like that these kinds of ordinances can look differently so that's kind of down into the resolved piece here but in effect the premise of this whole ordinance was we need to be a little bit smarter about land-use planning with respect to renewables if we expect people to invest monies and not have any protections at all so that's the premise behind it um I think Shoshanna one ski Commission Alette ski brought up a good point last December which is we need to balance overly restricting development in the city because we do have limited space and so we have seen a lot of vertical growth in our downtown we're gonna see more of that and not all of that can be planned in advance so we need to be careful about eliminating the option of going vertical we just need to make sure that we've thought about it holistically so the premise here is not in this resolution is not to solve this tonight but simply to have folks involved in looking at what we can do to add some some resolution behind it so the proposal and I'd rather not read this I'll probably put people to sleep but what I can do is provide a synopsis in is that okay yeah so in effect the state of Michigan National cow and city of Ann Arbor don't really have any kind of ordinance preventing somebody adjacent to your property building something that would block your solar access and whereas we've the city decided that renewable energy is important and having individual landowners build renewable energy on their facilities predominantly involving solar do we need to have some kind of ordinance driven idea that prevents just without consequence somebody doing that so the last whereas I've added just to make sure it's clear that what we're after here is to avoid shading in the resolution what I'm proposing is that the City Council direct city administrators City Planning Manager to work with Energy Commission this body to put our best thoughts forward on what a solar ordinance could look like to protect existing land owners with scss other facilities or to avoid having blocking very valuable potential for solar development on their land that they own and that this be done in a fairly quick way I didn't put a timeline on this but I think it could be done this year where we meet decide maybe at a subcommittee level working with Planning Commission and others to formulate what this might look like at the back on the last page of this interesting in front of you I've added a cautionary statement along the lines of what I stated earlier which is making sure we involve a more holistic approach that we don't simply put in barriers to development put in put in smart ideas that might protect somebody investing at the same time not limit that vertical development and that can be done in a lot of ways maybe this looks at enabling a building next door to go higher but putting moving the solar PV that that if I'm the landowner that I built on my roof up on the top of the roof so it's got full access into solar radiation so there's there's a lot of ways this can be handled and treated just to avoid the loss of investment so that's the premise here and again I'm proposing this be done through City Council to support just a path forward there's no cost here I think it's fairly innocuous and I think we can't come up with something that's forward-thinking to avoid a landowner losing out on renewable energy so that's where questions issues concerns problems I like that a lot I really do this is this is the kind of thing that we should be doing we do have staff working with this Commission and so perhaps we want to also include the offices think sustainability it's in the city attorney if we're gonna consul to weigh in on this we should include everybody pertinent I think that um including planning is really going to get you the balance that you're talking about between not impeding vertical development at the same time that you're trying to protect you know solar installations um so I think that this is a well-thought-out I like yeah I think back to when they built one of the buildings up here on here on and there was a whole big problem with people's yards being shade and and all really landmark trees being shaded to the point that they thought they were gonna die they did and so looking at the ability to create what amounts to a limit on the north side well for example there's some discussion about what's gonna be build on the wide lot and it could be 19 stories which will cast a shadow all the way to Liberty Street now that's just the Federal Building in the bus station now but in another location downtown you can imagine that that would have a significant impact and of the people's property and there are properties like the current library the old credit union and the apartment complex that William and Division Millions all of those are are quite likely to be redeveloped and and if they're built the maximum that our zoning allows everything to the north will just be shadow so it really is going to take some some good discussion as to how you balance these visa interests and I think that this is is a thoughtful approach to getting the right people at the table to try to balance those interests [Music] yes that's absolutely right we should be right I'll entertain a motion to for this resolution I guess that should make that motion yes it's something okay discussion I support I have a couple of minor suggestions in terms of text so council councilman evening suggested adding the office of sustainability and innovation probably makes sense but I think also in terms of commissions in addition to the Energy Commission we should add Planning Commission so the energy and Planning Commission's and my experience very limited in dealing with the Planning Commission so I'm on a working group that's developing a lighting ordinance the Planning Commission defines its priorities every year and then they dedicate their resources to those top priorities and that's why the lighting ordinance is not a subcommittee of the Planning Commission because they had already defined their priorities and we were able to recruit some people and develop sort of a working group that's working on it in parallel but if we want the Planning Commission to work on this they need to be named in here and we need to get on their priority list the other thing that I would suggest we do and I don't know what the appropriate time frame would be but thinking in terms of SMART goals the T at the end means time bound and I think it would make sense that we include something in here in terms of timing you know this could happen in one year as you suggested it could happen in five years it could happen in a hundred years the know this resolution doesn't say anything about what our expectation is or our hope is in terms of the timeframe for doing this and so I recommend that we include at least some kind of time frame that then could once enacted by council could be then reflecting there and Planning Commission's priorities but at least have a statement in here that says something about timing can I respond to that please in terms of adding more entities to address this my thought was keep the group smaller and then expand it and socialize that amongst all the commissioners departments and folks and particularly not to say that this is wrong but the city attorney may be too early at this stage other than maybe is it totally out of bounds or is it realistic to go this road ice I assume that eventually an ordinance goes through everybody anyway but if we're gonna if the council is gonna direct action we should be kind of comprehensive doesn't mean everybody has to be at the table at the first meeting okay it just means that when the planning and the Energy Commission call on the City Attorney's office to assist that you'd have this resolution they might use the safe and see you know this is rough culture wants you to do I'm the timing front I was gonna also suggest maybe we recommend this activity take place and since it doesn't have an official body at this juncture that it would sunset after one year if nothing gets done but I don't have a real time constraint right now so I don't have a idea of what that might look like at May I personally was thinking in in terms of like 12 to 18 months and that could be modified by council you know once they consider this what we what we put in here is not going to be binding for council but at least then there's a statement in here that bounds the activity with time or at least sets a goal and then they could modify whether 12 or 18 months is reasonable or whether it should be 36 months or whether it should be six months but just to leave it out doesn't really give a sense of priority and what kind of time frame we're looking at and in terms of the lighting ordinance in working on it the experience that we have is that it's taking us about 10 months to basically get one in place and we were like this case I'm able to draw on some existing ordinances from other cities and other immunised entities so I think it wouldn't be a Pavley a whole lot different year and this does become complicated especially with Planning Commission in terms of the kinds of things councilman Eaton talked about because it overlaps with zoning laws and a bunch of other things is not something simple where we just say here's an ordinance from someplace else and it should therefore if it worked there it'll work in Ann Arbor it's not going to be quite that simple so as far as tiny I think that you just make up a couple numbers and council will amend it according to his vice they get from staff right but I would actually suggest when I say a couple of numbers I mean some milestones along the way so like say four months out we get a report back on the feasibility for example or on the status of it and and a timeline from that point going forward or something you know but having nap put any thought into that I don't know about the language you want to work on but if we pass this and then some of you make some suggestions to me when when I draw up the Council resolution I would just put put that language in that's that's a good idea because I I believe a you want to direct somebody to do something maybe you want to give them a time frame Cindy and I prefer to press them on the time so that they they push back if it's too restrictive but um if it's nothing then you get something sooner so other comments so then my ask is I hope to pass this tonight but my ask is that that you'll then foul somebody will draft some language on last time so bringing up last time so it could be voted on this time I think in the future they're trying to get us to have these ordinances enough ahead of time that they can be on let you star and beyond the agenda and connected I'm going to talk about that after we talk about these things okay so for the board on this there's the paragraph first paragraph hissing it's a lot of disconnects here so I'm suggesting that we just change a couple of words here Chuck and say yes whereas neither of the state of Michigan Warner County or city of Ann Arbor have adopted any and so whereas did Michigan Washington County nor the ants I'm going to have neither down to this yeah this way we'll strap that the first time but some stenographer overruled and you should agree with it yeah I didn't it's friendly enough good yeah the stenographers right so I have some you know I just want to share some comments that's similar to what I shared last time in Chuck I appreciate you know that you acknowledge those concerns I think you tried to address them in that last paragraph but I just as I read this I remain concerned that as the Energy Commission bringing this forward we are not bounding this and obviously anybody can't go start working on this ordinance right so it's not it's it's not like we can direct what happens but I would like to see us bound this with what we believe to be the right principles going into how we address this because you know if we I think a little bit of I'm gonna give the analogy of Germany which had these principles how they wanted to go after energy issues as being pro renewables and anti nuclear and they went after both of those and ended up with zero impact on their greenhouse gas emissions I think we could go into this and have the energy Commission's perspective on this be Pro renewables so protecting solar rights and you could have planning and you know other other committees or public input that is looking to maintain some of the character of Ann Arbor which we know there is opposition to some large growth and in the end you would balance those two out and you would actually see that we might really be hurting ourselves by enacting this in terms of our community's greenhouse gas emissions and I think as a we have talked in the past about ultimately what we're trying to do our number one goal the unifying theme is we're trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the energy sector and and and I guess I I would just feel so much more comfortable with this because I support the idea completely in theory but I would feel so much more comfortable if we put that as as like the defining principle otherwise I'm just afraid we could end up helping renewables and and actually seeing our greenhouse gases and our community worsened by limiting development that is probably the single most critical factor to our it's undoubtedly the single most critical factor to our community is greenhouse gas emissions you know we could build solar offsite in big open fields where these shading issues aren't an issue we can't build a 17-story housing outside of Ann Arbor and get the benefits of having people who can work and live and commute via walking or biking or bus and so I just worry about the the potential risks from that well and you know me I'm 100% behind large scale scope solar that's work cost efficiencies of scale and everything else sir realized I'm I'm in this ordinance protecting people that invest in the market Kluber you put solar on his roof that's somebody like comes along and puts an apartment building next then frankly that's not a tree that's gonna get wrote it in order to whatever feet perhaps that's fine from the co2 perspective but it certainly isn't gonna look very good from the person who invested $20,000 on a row so so there's an easy solution to that then the easy solution is you want to do the apartment building you have to do something to help out the guy who and that's what we're trying to do yeah and I completely support that as an ideas in a solution I think as this is written I worry that it doesn't provide the right level of guidance about making sure that the coordinates that comes out of this ordinance would need to not inadvertently be causing greenhouse gas emissions by trying to solve this renewable access issue I think that's the importance of including so many different points of view here most likely you know if you had a two-story house downtown and putting a solar installation and then someone wanted to build a taller building that would shade your house under whatever scheme we end up with they would just have to pair you up maybe even include the solar on top of their building to displace you know the energy that you are or to replace the energy you were producing that they're now gonna block it I think that's the importance of having Planning Commission at the table for this and not have too many preconceived ideas is because we're gonna balance those those issues they are very pro against development and so they're not gonna let something come out of our cooperation that that precludes develop we're just not gonna do that on the other hand we can still protect somebody let's say you have a 15 story building and you put solar panels on top of it and somebody comes along and builds 19 stories and blocks it they may owe you something if you if you applied for solar access when you build when you installed yours so you know that's the kind of balance that we're probably going to discuss and I I don't have a preconceived notion as to what that will look like at the end but I think that we have the right actors at the table to talk about because I don't think that we're gonna agree to anything that is you know too lopsided in favor of the next development and planning is not going to accept anything that's too lopsided in favor of preventing development and that's gonna come to a balance Thank You attorneys office because I think that there's some taking that happens when you preclude them to build to what the zoning allows well they they limit all building to six storeys there they amounts to look at my personal opinion is I agree with councilmember Eaton this isn't prescriptive right now it says only that we will consider the following in best practices so it's not yet bounding the the proposed ordinance and saying a is a priority over B and we're not even gonna mention de and F that's where I had a sense for what you're doing is trying to found this already in trust or a window around it in terms of saying these are these are our goals and these others are not our goals I think it's all it says is consider these these things work with these key stakeholders there will be other stakeholders that will have to be involved with the process but these are the key stakeholders the administrator the planning manager the City Attorney's Office the office sustainability and innovation I think was mentioned and then the Energy Commission in the Planning Commission and I think your concerns need to be and will be brought up during the drafting process the rare legitimate and good concerns yes I think we all agree that we we don't want it we don't want the same idea here I just this will be my last comments point I I feel like since this is coming from the Energy Commission like most of our resolutions we we explain what we are trying to accomplish with them and I fear that what this says it's trying to accomplish is that it's trying to accomplish preserving solar access as opposed to what I think all of our goals is is to accomplish solar access while preserving or improving greenhouse gas emissions and because I think there's so much of a potential conflict in this that's where I feel like it's maybe worth spelling that well you have the second cup the second whereas statement which says that you know this why are we doing this and it says we have a climate action plan which is committed to reducing community-wide greenhouse gas emissions so in a sense that is saying this activity of developing a solar access ordinance should be something in support of the climate action plan and reducing greenhouse gas emissions it doesn't say it exactly the way I did but the fact that it's mentioned in a whereas clause I think says that that should be something that is considered in the drafting of the ordinance is that somewhat address your concern I think we've already conceded that that we might go through this process and get to 12 to 18 months out and and not have an ordinance at all yeah I mean yeah that's maybe and in hospital gasps yeah but I really think that the biggest impact this will have is in in residential neighborhood yeah not precluding high-rises because it's next owned for that but but just simply trying to get neighbors to get along with each other once you well in there there has been a tendency for people to build larger and larger houses on smaller and smaller Lots and the neighbors to the north quite often end up in their shadow and I think that's something that needs to be addressed I think you've heard me say this this is really get makes me mad why I want to do this is because one of the nice solar PV plus thermal designs that I worked on it is no longer functional because we didn't have something protecting so the owner is suffering from that mm-hmm I don't think it's right now I think there could have been an easy solution that would have benefited both part yeah any other comments or questions before we put this to a vote if not all in favor aye opposed passes unanimously so I think the action that is all I got marks comments I took a few of my own I think they're all friendly amendments I'll redraft this if you want me to recirculate it out with the notes yes I think I think the intent was the next animal is listen this thing I'm handing out now I don't know whether to call this over this is a resolution for adaption later or mostly is it's just advice and I'm looking I think is a sense of the Commission in support of the idea for the office of the energy officer in the offices of sustainability I don't think we need to cycle this through the City Commission but if necessary we would do it that way so let me just if we could bypass the resolution part and just say yeah we agree with this in hand over to Josh tonight I'd be satisfied so here's here's the issue as we're looking at doing solar and stuff like that we keep coming back to the same thing that the only definitive document we have about solar potential in Ann Arbor was that 2016 7 development writing community before that we did John risky we're selling this a lot of you recall and we came up with 8% of their goal the solar goal by 2015 25% reduction by 225 and 90% by 250 relative to the 2000 baseline carbon dioxide equivalent when we run those numbers we get 24 megawatts of solar 2025 at a rate of 2.4 2.5 megawatts a year in Ann Arbor we are woefully behind in that and there's been some other things that have changed since this report came out josh updated the emissions report and we have a better assessment now on the potential for energy efficiency yeah impacts on the emissions reductions in which is about half of what was in the in the climate action plan so I think it's this purpose of this thing is to update our solar targets and to refine them down we say there's 78 megawatts of solar potential in Ann Arbor to me if that's the potential we need to to figure that out to be a little bit closer and start looking in best so what I'm suggesting is is just read it it's pretty straightforward and we're advising the Ann Arbor Energy Office not sustainability to undertake the following Solar Harding and planning activities in 2019 one based on the new emissions and energy efficient data update the solar energy targets that were put forth in the energy Commission's solar development run community report to Council so use the current solar energy potential information from sources such as PV Watts etc to update our the geo stellar solar potential the thing that we did that mr.
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2016 it may not be need to be updated at all but we should look to see if there is a need to update the solar potential either up or down and that solar potential analysis is there listed there the lidar based analysis of an harvest assessment durable addressable solar market this is the only thing that we have that identifies the total potential and gives us any sense of how much we're talking about first for a site class three that they then conduct a feasibility study on each of these set classes determine estimates for an options for how and how much the solar potential can be reached with either distributed generation or the purchase of either with third-party solar own to our on-site stuff or through a purchase agreement with DDOT solar power for our large solar arrays that are outside of city minutes for established solar outreach education assistance programs for each of the non DTE utility portion of the solar potential for each site class for example we have a solar faithful program that is working on the assumption that one megawatt of solar potential en8 harder lies in the faith community we also have numbers for the city buildings so to some place we ought to be able to refine the site class targets here and say you know how close we were going to get to a twenty nine point seven megawatts of solar within a period of time but once we max out the the programs that we have and lastly if the office present their solar neutral plans have provide solar plan you know regular out solar plan to outcomes to John SMART goals we started looking at what we're doing in relation to needs outcome by sectors instead of you know saying we're gonna get twenty five megawatts of twenty five megawatts when we really don't know if that's even technically possible to do so we come up with a plan and that they report that back to us so when we talk about resolutions and stuff we have something to to target to shoot at other than this geo still are 25 24 megawatts target and that they report backers on regular basis about how they're doing them so that's the idea here is to we did this before because we didn't have the capacity inside the energy office to do this work we did that so instead of us having to go back through this and grab him John and we're trying him up in a room and be doing all these numbers we'd like to encourage this the Josh in his office to take the silence so that it helps us be more targeted in our advisory function going forward so I don't know if we need this in a resolution its update the report requiring the report come up with some better understanding of how much of this we can actually do with distributed generation versus having to work with DTE and established some programs accordingly and figure out what plan is tell us what the plan is and then I'm a little confused by some of us okay yeah number one you start talking about percentages there that are actually the percentages of greenhouse gas so probably take that out of thing and then there's there's this chart that you have down below if then ninety seven thousand six hundred megawatt hours is produced by an output of seventy eight point five megawatts of solar then twenty five percent of that is nine point six megawatts not thirty five so this is again this is the report we got back from Geo stellar well okay so that means when you want to go through all your points you want me to to just go ahead and jump in on this who's that dear a second pointer that's my second point and I have some other things to say about it but go ahead well let me address this at 30,000 feet and then your specific comments so first of all I support marks general thrust but I'm wondering if this is best handled in the meeting with Miss E so a couple of concerns that I have and I'll piggyback on Wayne's in terms of some of the specifics here first of all I'm not sure that the Energy Office actually has the capacity to handle this right now so you know we have Josh and Emily Emily I understand is got some time off in terms of family leave kind of issues so we have relative limited capacity and my understanding and Josh maybe you can speak to this that there is a plan to hire another individual but that's not really going to be an energy expert it's going to be a community outreach and communications type of person so we I don't know if we're going to have additional capacity in the area that we need in terms of really analyzing these numbers and therefore I think it may make sense that we talk and deal with this with Missy as far as Wayne's comments just to to piggyback on those and explain those a little bit first of all as Wayne said the in the first point those numbers are from the cap and what we did to generate the target that you talked about mark which is the 24 megawatts between 2015 and 2025 is we made the assumption that 80% of the reductions in greenhouse gases would come from energy efficiency and 20% would come from renewables we know in Ann Arbor renewables basically means solar and so from that we derived the target 24 megawatts which is the 2.4 megawatts per year tower that we've been talking about I agree with you that as we learn more we it make sense to reevaluate that whole equation is 80% realistic and 20% realistic should it be ninety ten should it be fifty fifty and I think we also need to consider if we want to reach our targets you know should we be putting as much focus on solar excuse me on energy efficiency as we add our on solar because we know energy efficiency cost less per per watt than solar so the whole topic I think needs to be discussed we need to discuss it in the context of capacity in the context of expertise in the context of whether or not we can draw on resources outside the city Missy might be able to help us with that so she might say well I don't but I can use these resources or something else interns to get this done so I think in the meeting we could have that kind of catch ball that we can't necessarily have here as far as the the middle of the page under point two geo stellar provided this analysis when we were in the early days of discussing the the program that we had within them the the what was it called again the Ann Arbor solar what was it knowing that solar for all in any case the program that we have so loosely the solar Club in 2017 and they gave us the this breakdown by Ward and then also by sector or sight class and as far as some of the conversions and things like that I have to go back and look at those wane that those are some of your comments about how these were translated but I think the point is you again going back up to 30,000 feet it makes sense to reevaluate all this in terms of what are the right numbers how should it be split what capacity do we have and which the priorities be and I think that's your main thrust and that I agree with I do too I think especially with the fact that we're Missy's now on board and she's gonna be looking for ways to justify our budgets and stuff and Jack has been very clear that you know programs and ideas and things that we bring forward should be have metrics and have as much specificity as possible so if we're going to do right now we are throwing all our limited penance or eggs in the residential solar basket without you know an idea that you know other ways that we could be how we do that we could is take the sense of this thing and I could simply turn this over to Missy assume we'd like to talk to you about this I'm happy to do that in fact that's what I'm trying to do this I brought how do we we should probably like we did do a little bit of an analysis on this yeah we looked at Google sunroof pvwatts and kind of a comparison of all that Google sunroof was the stadium was lit up for solar potential so it wasn't very accurate this was kind of the thinking of all them and we did a quick analysis any probably closest a year ago now on pvwatts to see how close we could get to this number and it came out relatively close yeah so as far as that I think this was actually and I wasn't part of the group but I think it was lidar data yes yeah so I think as of right now this is probably the most accurate numbers that we do have I don't know if that means 78 megawatts should be the target trying to get everything in the city and that's something that I talk to a lot more right versus is 24 I know that also 80% for energy efficiency is quite high on the breakdown I mean we've seen maximum 30% and even with advancements I can't see that going more than maybe 40 150 is the highest so they maybe in that sense we could kind of do a recalculation on this yeah I don't know I mean that that's something where perhaps it would be just a pointing yeah a point of clarification the 24 megawatts was only between 2015 and 2025 so if you look out to the 90% by 2050 that's a much higher number than 24 25 megawatts and the 78 is the total potential assuming you know the city boundaries don't grow or the the roof surfaces and things like that and that's not going to change all that much between now and 2050 probably if not it may change somewhat but you know we're not if we replace a a one-story building with a flat roof with a 17-story building with a flat roof the solar potential of that flat roof hasn't really changed and that's that's in this Saturday consumption of that building they've changed the C energy consumption has changed dramatically true correct we have been looking currently at you know things like wheeler things like landfill the airport all those areas so this is worried it's it's complicated by the fact that we don't really know the full potential for looking outside of the boundaries especially from you know as it says here even looking for a third party own systems so I think we need to question these numbers to be looking at him again with some new knowledge that I think I and others have the fact that the university only was 3% of the potential and I think the University Jack you probably know owns something like 30 40 percent of the property area in the city of Weber person it was only 11% really a university yeah all of the public land in Indiana ever made okay okay but still it's still 3% compared to whatever it is 11% so it still gets back to this whole thing of reevaluating this holistically so I think you also just comment that to your point that we don't have an answer for how we're gonna reduce the emissions we kind of agree that there's a emissions greenhouse public plan which is a problem that there is this missions thing the climate action plan gives us some jumping holes and we can't answer the question how is renewables going to do this in Ann Arbor other than this chart and so I think we need to get down to yeah we need 50 megawatts and we can only put get 20 out of a distributed generation inside of the city and so we got to get 33 someplace else where we're going to get it from either a Township or we're gonna buy it from saline who's going to put up through the planets with consumers energies we're gonna negotiate some some thing with DTE but some answer after updating this I think is least gets us to the right questions the engineered me hates this because there's no units what's a megawatt ac/dc yeah we got to get into that book so we gotta tighten that up the 3% and you 2.9% you of them that's net I've done my own studies okay the solar potential recognized to that it's such as the matter going on PV Watson saying oh there's a rough area and it can generate X number of kilowatt hours there's lots of other parameters that commend at what's it intentionally viable and that my takeaway on this is we're in the right space we need to take it to the next level we don't have resources at the Office of Sustainability level do we have resources at the Commission level and if not then the only other answer is going outside and hiring a third party which I absolutely there's that even though it was a consultant and loved to do the work when I was a consultant but anyway so the point is does it make sense for this commission to take taking this to another level working with the Office of Sustainability and were the gatekeepers and or the secondary piece of this is I've worked on a number of different studies with U of M as a graduate advisor there's all kinds of students wanted to do this kind of work so there's opportunities here Adam French would be one person I wouldn't reach out together others that would take the Sun and I think that could be discussed in a meeting where it'll be more interactive as opposed to trying to do it sort of formally here in amongst the commissioners so do you think there should be a work session where we invite our sustainability manager for example yes yeah I guess Sonia on the other end of things with the resources that we have in the progression that we're making I wouldn't spend too much time trying to determine what these maximum czar in some respects creating programs that work us in that direction is more important than figuring out what the maximum czar but I guess if the Office of Sustainability came to the City Commission where City Council with a budget request to put together a new program and this was the justification I'm not sure that that would be adequate for Jack's purposes to say yes let's go develop the commercial solar plan in your budget request so that's tighter well I guess when I was getting at was if we're working on at the level we're working at now we're working at getting very small percentages understanding what the total possible could be in especially in 2050 is just pencil exercise I'm fooling with you Wayne I think asking our our limited resources to do additional studies when we know that we just need more know whether it's on rooftops or whether it's third party owned and it's outside city limits we need more I'd rather they be working on the strategy for how we're gonna get the money to do it because we know what we need to do you know as our next incremental step do you have a claim that happens over over time is how much we're actually using in energy is gonna change either up or down fairly significantly probably and the efficiency of equipment I mean just in the two years since this data was produced the average install PV panel as go on from probably 275 watts to 300 watts I think the efficiency now is up to 19% to ever again although there are limits to that yeah we'll go up someone and that's my point up potential because they just did a study for a major manufacturer and we did that exact thing we instead of going solar first we did energy efficiency first where can we drive his load down to yeah that's right now what being what we need to do made a lot of sense from us co2 pointed a few hundred lots of other perspective well I'll then take that as a ringing endorsement of the 2016 solar developer a community report as it stands now and invite people to come to the meeting and Friday if you'd like to talk about volunteer labor putting solar on those on the fire stations and hopefully in the next two years we'll get sore on a bunch of them and let's get out there and start so I'll be there it's good stuff committee updates today I'm sure waiting on December 3rd City Council passed resolution asking all boards and commissions to follow up procedures done agendas and minutes and basically it says commissions and committees will consistently publicize agendas in advance of their meetings consistent with the practices of the City Council so colorful typically posts its agenda but Thursday evening before a Monday meeting we in the past have talked about our bylaws but we still haven't sent anything to Council and January 7th yesterday City Council adapted the environmental commission's bylaws and in their bylaws they required in all the materials they'll be used in a meeting be posted 48 hours before immediately I would just point out that if you go to let's just start right this moment and download the agenda it's a previous version it's not the version that we had on the desk today and you have to download the agenda and use the the links in the agenda rather than finding things on register in order to download the presentation system so I hope that will pass by lawsuit I hope that we will push the genders and materials in advance of meetings so that if anybody is interested in the topics that we're going to discuss that they can see it on ledge a star in attending meetings and it's generally available to all of us I think that it would be great if we could just make a rule that we give everything to Josh a week in advance by the way I agree 100% good meeting practices take time and they're gonna take mostly your time but they're gonna save everybody's time you know Moulton you know in multiples of time but I want to emphasize with Josh just said yeah which is that we owe him absolutely the obligation of giving the human the stuff far enough in advance now even city council add stuff after the initial posting of an agenda whichever I would discourage you from adapting our practices but um at least an initial version of a read solution is available at the same time as the agenda and things like that and and that really is going to require that we all be very considered at this time because it does take time to do all this on earth oh yeah many updates I don't believe most of these committees have been a meeting since the last Energy Commission meeting but there may be few things that might be updated I know there's been some input from the people on the DB ordinance about Darlene or the fast-charging oh well I just wanted thank you for you you went to Lansing and parked oak oh I'm meeting up there dealing with the fast-charging yes it's coming down the pike with the Volkswagen the ordinance committee or no in another manner oh yes that Ann Arbor is one of the cities that is being considered to be cbats Chargers installed in the highway along the highways better than Arbor going around in Arbor yeah so the other thing that I would highly recommend people to do if you haven't signed up to be on committees I said plural strongly recommend that you do so so we can have as much combined effort I'm getting these things done this year as we can't just remind me were these subcommittee meetings will be held here for the most part yeah the calendars have asterisks where the work room was taken so that will be usually basement and outside of that for the most part are you gonna issue meaning invitations via outlook for all of them or have you done that already I don't think I yes yeah I'll go ahead and do the Yellin area by so you guys don't have those SEBI great yeah and I've heard from a bunch of you guys so I appreciate it which ones you want to be great moving right along so I think I just generally every all of these are meeting on Tuesdays now yeah right so every Tuesday of the month there is a circle on commission related meeting at six o'clock yeah correct yeah there's a request off of parking and some other things to do it at 6:00 right the one exception is the lighting ordinance where there's a separate working group where we have our own meeting scheduled public input we still have some public out there so one more thing before we move it the environmental Commission did pass the resolution declaring a climate emergency huh I'm I'll be bringing forward a resolution for Energy Commission I hope to adapt at the next meeting it uses all of those whereas clauses that's a pretty good history of everything that we've expressed our intent to do it with some resolve clauses that actually direct the city administrator to do some things I'll circulate that before the next meeting I I do want to give direction and I do I I would appreciate some input I think that beyond doing what we can as a entity to reduce our carbon emissions we we really have to encourage the residents of our town to look at their consumer activities and they're their own carbon footprint you know we're two percent of the emissions and so if we're gonna make any real headway we it's gonna be an outreach program it's not gonna just the solar panels but it's really going to be to get people to understand the consequences of consumer society so I hope that we can address both our our own energy use but also our what we need to do looking outward the energy efficiency teams sometimes futures how how is that out of a champ there was an it was an experiment you get to try them practice comparing individuals comparing their house to their neighbors is their writing that data is that a good idea how did Jack's point you know what what can be done maybe enough data what's happened you guys finding Sammy's it work all right yeah great I know I get things ready within moments amazing I had the worst performing house we also have a presentation from Howard next meeting as well budget yeah of coming budget oh good good should be other things for next agenda but what tracking pretty closely on what's going on the solar tax list so I mean I could probably go get more that was happening okay wherever the meeting of this tomorrow and I know I'm working with Jeff Irwin's office he's already okay well people have things that they think of after we've closed out this meeting just you mail them along so that we can include them in next agenda and I will call this meeting to adjournment Y&C anybody get up sighs oh okay microphones oh no but we can hear at home don't be bashful I just came to learn more about what you all are doing here and I've been impressed it's nice to do that and I would respond to what you're saying about getting the public involved that's why I'm here I mean I'd love to do an electric car and I'd love to do solar panels but I don't really know how to go about it and you know so I'm trying to get information about that and so I'm really just here to learn okay I think we did well good there's a lot of good ideas but I do understand that we're really not making as much progress said we had hoped like on the plan that's been put the action plan is put in place and so there's got to be some way or our specifically I remember going to meetings about the solar Club and it doesn't seem to fall apart or something and you know so I think there's interest out there in the public but somehow our there's needs to be more direction or something to get people to actually take active steps so but thank you thank you and thank you for coming that sounds like we need to get going on our listening tour yes because that's exactly the kind of comments that we want to get and be able to interact with and provide advice to what is the status of that if I didn't ask informally oh you you talked about it in the last couple of meetings and I haven't heard anything since early December so I'm having a meeting Missy was it's a bunch of things and things over the light they end up the last year we're now in front of the new year that's one of the meetings were having describe she's on the same track to get these listening meetings going hopefully before so the idea for those out of the public realm here is we're planning on going to various places around the community and listening to people and finding out what they think they need as far as energy in the environment basically into that point um as you wander out into the various wards I would encourage you to can take the councilmembers in that ward before you plan a date or a place yes captured in the minutes yes yes that's that quarter that specifically to missus okay well if there are no other comments or input for the next agenda I will now call this meeting adjourned at exactly you
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I do it myself okay so now we need to do an approval of the agenda tiny second yeah great any changes great why are we going to take up this report yeah we'll be talking about that under the report from workgroups it's not identified it as a separate Bowl just a blank agenda attachments yeah yeah yeah and if in the future Nvidia know when we have attachments that we'll be addressing in the meeting can we have them listed in the agenda where we will be addressing them yeah so all the attachments that we're gonna be talking about and the report from workgroups seeing as there is no public comments what I'm removing the things too under sorry vote to approve the agenda all in favor say aye all those opposed okay move forward route no public comments now we're gonna move to approve the minutes well why don't we just wait and look at them I guess at the next meeting and I haven't seen them minutes no no we focused on the retreat stuff that you prepared that's a lot yeah but you should be reviewing the minutes of your last four movie yeah well the retreat was a formal meeting but there was a meeting before the retreat that's right yeah and that we haven't reviewed yet so we haven't reviewed the minutes of November meeting and retreat so at the next meeting we should be looking at three different minutes today's November's and every clip it's a little plan for that all righty moving on to old business and I don't believe there is any whole business a new business report from staff need activists yet the stadium bridges the glass there's broken glass the replacement panels have been ordered and I'm looking at Vinita the north the last I knew which was last week they were in customs in New York they were I don't know if they've cleared customs they're here now so we're moving forward with those were able to to replacements right that's the etchings that are already etched her daughter here is do we know is there a window when you go doesn't stuff I don't know yet yeah but they're here which is good news after much waiting look forward to seeing them up mm-hmm any other items from staff okay so report from workgroups when we're gonna look at these attachments guys the first attachment is that report that we were charged with presenting to Council by February 1st which is why we met and did the retreat and came up with those goals so the two items that are supposed to be included in this report which I spell out in the first paragraph in the overview is our basically our CIP recommendations and our goals for the fiscal year it doesn't start till July so based off of our conversation and the notes that are at that meeting I basically say we've already put together a CIP and looked at it we don't have the exact date of that Benina said she was gonna get back to me on that information so that last sentence of the overview you see X's where there's supposed to be a date we'll be adding a before it goes to council do you know that day no I have a I do have a change in this in that same paragraph you're talking about Connie brown was also sure in addition since we have the new dated one that we're gonna be looking at momentarily CIP report the last sentence there's gonna say a complete list was reviewed by City Council on with the date and an updated memo with one edition is attached so the entire list of all of the projects that have already been approved with the additional project will be attached to this report when it goes to City Council because you know Bonita was recommending that we should give them a complete list so they see it all again see you in one spot on all in one place and then we could star the addition or Bonita was recommending we put them in order of when they were advised fiscal year so like there would just be one under this whole year 2019 and then the rest will be fiscal year 2018 when they were recommended yeah our concern was if if they go back to Council again does that give them an opportunity to rescind ones that were already approved that's a good question and I thought we were supposed to be doing yes they should see what was approved last year maybe not as a consolidated list so maybe it's two separate memos I really wanna keep this one as it is and then put an old memo on it that makes sense yeah attached to the jacket with the attached to the report of the report and we could also attach the old list maybe was like not in the top like approved on with the date and that's gonna be in the that make sense yeah and him do that Bonita has started to compile the list for us for us for tracking purposes so I think that's perfectly appropriate for everybody to have but it seems like the new stuff should be part of the new report and the old stuff a separate attachment those changes make sense appear since you're gonna make them and then the rest of it is the goals that we talked about and if there's any additional people who should be added to these work assignment groups who want to be involved we can add your names at this time or obviously you can jump in whatever want to are there any other changes or things that stand out to you guys I would I would actually like to be involved in the identification of Public Works I know that there's work being done we've talked about an intern being hired this summer and so under Section under two Deborah mold awareness the second one that we have a city website I'd like to work with you I have a question yes John how many work groups do we have how do we identify um we have five well we have the CIP workgroup which is not separated goal in here so that's one and then there's four well I wouldn't say the section one eight number four doesn't really have a work assignment group so probably four and how are we going to identify them in other words I'm on two work groups which what do they call what what can I say assignments and then there their promote awareness of public art that's what you're right they don't really have titles or not are there two work groups under promote awareness yes point is that would be useful to have a youth outreach if we're gonna have reports those work groups that have reports if I'm expected to have a report or whatever work group is I would like it listed so I know what's coming up so if we could identify it could just be whatever makes sense to you I don't care okay but so that I know that I'm assigned to this work group and it's called whatever it's called okay but Nina do you feel comfortable making up names or I can't hear Vinita I think the fourth one actually is in under number three which is support donations what's it the first one the first one that hasn't been this is a new group so it doesn't have a title so work group one is Mary thief wells deb mex ikot jonah Copley and allison buck is that correct yes and work group two is deb mex ikot khan brown merit evils and joan and then the third one is myself Allison and Colleen yes and the fourth one is myself no um are you talking about number three you take that as intersections well I guess there's five no you're breaking this into two oh okay okay so this was the CIT so are each of these points those supposed to relate to these groups that's what I'm confused about because we're talking about one two three four and we've got this one two three four here are they going to be listed differently or separately I'm know the work groups don't have numbers Kurt okay that goals have numbers on the okay and underneath some of the goals are to work group there would be the work groups which will be a named work group yes that's what we are doing up with names okay and then we will list those work groups somewhere else well the work groups are already here they just don't have titles so where it's um no signs right so we will give it more precise weekend names and range stuff so we're under number one where it says assign to marry these both Democrats we can say assigned to or fundraisers assigned to and then so each one will have a name and then I'll say Santa to you can let the workgroups make up their own names hey so if you feel strongly about the name of your group go ahead and email that name to Benita because she'll be adding them to the report but she'll be kind of she knows us well enough she was at the retreat she can glean names based off this fundraisers or youth committee whatever yeah I I don't care what the group is named or anything I just think it's kind of unclear that there are work groups and what they're going so that's all I'm just so it gets divided up so it's clear what's going on that's all okay so it will say through outreach and interaction with youth work group youth whatever assigned to will not make it clear it would be nice if our agenda underreport for workers listed each of these workgroups yep so we knew who was reporting yep that's why okay did you get that for me so in the future when we have our agenda we'll have each workgroup spelled out are we changing our current workgroups right now or are we maintaining the same work group based off of it there's we are well so in our retreat we came up with a couple new work groups which are identified in this packet so there are the same work groups from before which are also identified in here and then a couple new ones that are identified in here as well I think the only working group that won't isn't 100% clear and this report per se would be the CIP group because we talked about them kind of not as a working group up in the paragraph so we could add the words working through you up in that paragraph as well so if Anita and the overview or we talked about David Colleen and Connie we can call them a working group of commissioners yes so are the work groups taking the place of committees yes and so we no longer have committees we have work groups yes do the work groups I have to meet according to the open meetings I know what committees would yes so why are we having work groups instead of committees because everything we talk about in our working groups that need to be aired to the public and or need decisions we would talk about here in this formal setting so we don't need to have formal committee like public meetings when we're just talking and groups and working through yeah it's just we don't need that kind of if you if in your working group you find that you need to do that in a public forum or you want everyone to weigh a decision then you shouldn't be doing that in your working group you should be bringing that to one of our bimonthly meetings well the work group meetings be listed so the public can attend know if there's something that you want to attend any of these work groups you can invite them too but if it's something that you specifically want the public to hear then you should do it in this world well I think the public should hear everything we do and I don't I don't I think we run the risk of excluding the public by doing it that particular way I think that the Deaf see if the attorneys are the staff prefer to have work groups as opposed to committees I don't know why we wouldn't want the public at any of these meetings well when you do your work group presentations during this meeting you should be covering all of the topics and things that you discussed in your work groups so the public is really not missing anything and this was actually a recommendation by Chris Frost it's not coming from me it's coming from the city personally I'm kind I'm kind of challenged with it but I'm not gonna that's you know and this encourages you to make a thorough report when you're doing reports in this meeting about your working group about what you guys been talking about what you met about because this is the public forum where the public gets to hear about it so you know we're not hiding anything because everything that we're talking about in these working groups we're talking about again here and sharing with everybody that's why there's not really the need to make those additional meetings that are on the calendar and that the public comes to if they'll hear all that information here and one nice format makes it actually easier for the public to participate in our public art projects because they're all talked about here as opposed to having to go to five different working groups they can get all the information I think it was a good opportunity in informal setting just to kind of brainstorm ideas whereas once we do that a little bit more then we'll come here with a more and a flush down our presentable idea for a project that was my experience in the first oh yeah and I mean if there are things that you guys worked through in that working group where how you got to that final decision and you feel like those things are important to share in this meeting then obviously yeah you know sometimes your thought process is important to share so you know want to bring that information at this meeting as well but yeah like you said if it's a way to work out all those silly ideas without boring the public with them easier to itself we have one report that contains all of the work groups so if you have somebody on the work who wants to report out for that particular group we could just develop one single report for everybody and then have everything still listed on the agenda but has it have it in 1:1 format for everybody does that make sense you mean like one document attachment that would work if we have people who want to be responsible for reporting out for each group we should probably have summaries by a certain date and things like that usually the Friday before these meetings I meet with Vinita to go over the agenda so that would be a good time to have it by this meeting we didn't do that I just got back from Florida yesterday so I'm sorry about that we didn't have time to formalize a lot of the things we're talking about today so with the word groups just so I understand we can meet at anybody's home we can meet at at a moment's notice we can meet over the telephone make decisions that way we do not have to be crazy all right four or less people so it's not a we don't have quorum early therefore or less people so you don't have quorum in any of these groups that's part of the other thing about it you're not making any voting or anything that's why the formalities aren't as if it was a committee the quorum would be the members of the committee so there never was about a more than for this what she's referring to is there is not four of the full art commission on on a work group so you're getting together if it's at 4:00 you're not triggering a violation of the Open Meetings of the full body year but if it wasn't if we call it a committee it would be totally different is that my understanding yes we called it a committee instead of a work group we would have to meet in a public place we would have published agenda in the agenda we would have to do all of that but because we change the name of it even though we're doing the same thing we don't have to do that this was disgusting well I'm just clarifying in my head okay okay talk about a couple times that yeah I'll leave that issue this is a different topic but Jonah's name is spelled in a variety just trying to you know change your initials to see how many times it's a nice collection any other changes we need to review on the reporter issues concerns so do we need to move it or approval okay so do I have to do a first in a second and then okay so I have a motion to approve John all in favor discussion Oh discussion thank you I said what were approving kind of with the modifications that are noted like putting in the date putting in yes all the questions we've discussed here Vinita has been taking copious notes okay all in favor signify by saying aye it's approved great show up I be present if it is not and when is it going to be going to I don't know yet we'll let you know it will go as a communication to Council which is a written attachment meant to their packet I don't know if we're probably targeting the first meeting in February I'm looking at vanitas this the 22nd of this stuff so two week a week and a half okay it just received oh okay so it's just part of their packet all right so the other attachments we have here I will let the CRP Committee talk about these sure all right so the first one in your packet is recommendations on the art selection process you saw a draft version of this in at the November meeting and this is a slightly revised version this was something we developed a year ago and so these are modifications based on our experiences since then primarily with the artwork on Stadium the modification since November were primarily for a meeting with marie-claude fit the Art Center we had heard that she had some comments I just wanted to talk with her about the background on those so incorporated a couple of those in here as the changes are the underlined in red language compared to the previously approved version it mostly relates to trying to make sure that artwork is evaluated according to how it's actually going to be instead of how it might be presented and making sure that we get what we're paying for any questions or concerns for the CIP you make a recommendation to move to a qualification based selection process and RFQ versus an RFP yeah is that something that's decided on a project-by-project basis or are we moving to an RFQ format yep that was one that was in there a year ago yeah sure I don't know that anyone has done that yet I don't know we actually have probably haven't even gone through an art selection process since then so yeah it probably would be decided based on the project what seem to make sense for that was this document drafted before the stadium bridge selection no I don't believe so okay so quite a ways after okay thank you I wouldn't just give a thumbs up to that to the art thank you yeah as some of you this might be the first time you're actually seeing it formally in a meeting so definitely if you have comments or concerns unrelated to the red areas other areas you know those are welcomed as well it seems like some of the languages like suggesting thanks do we need to make it more finite in a final draft or I figured all we could do is really make recommendations this doesn't have the force of law with anybody but yeah okay and is there anything in particular to be different - yeah I think to leave it open to the committee's and different groups to be able to determine what's best for them but to follow the broad principles of this okay were there any places in particular that the vagueness stood out like I read it last night at like midnight so I and I didn't it was on my computer I didn't make notes I was just trying to look through but I think it's very concise but it is very bronze I just wanted to yeah just see yeah the other place that we would use these is when a when an artwork comes back to us for a recommendation to council our recommendation is primarily does it follow our guidelines which would be B's for how hard is selected and so you know if there was something that really went against these that would be it discussion about what every we should recommend it yes finally I think you did a wonderful job and they are guidelines and we're required by our bylaws to revisit these guidelines every year and suggest changes and improvements to them so each of these reflect challenges that we found in various projects and having sat through each of these projects I think that David is committed an exceptional job addressing it without trying to make a hard and fast rule but just recognizing challenges that the contractor might want to consider and so I think it's a good product and it's an ever-changing one we're required by our bylaws to revisit it every single year it is a ring I have a question about the use of the sacrament does this go to as part of the RFQ or when you're trying to get a contract someone to do the selection process or when do they see this or do they see this document I'm smiling because we haven't done it yet so you're asking we wouldn't start we would start this with the project staff that's charged with the project that has the alert and this would be their guideline for going forward and incorporating the art into the project and in the past unlikely in the future would be going out to look for a body to help the whole process and this would be the document provided to that consultant okay protecting the process as part of their contract or you're asking a specific word that we're not there yet I don't know whether it would be in the contract or would be a guideline that we just get that unless they get the contract okay yeah it would be in their scope of services a lot of this if not all of that would be reflected in their scope of services I think I was just going to say yeah this is probably not appropriate as a part of a contract but as some recommendations for how they function I would think it's very appropriate and it certainly should guide a staff person who's putting that together on a stadium project when we did review that to forward it to City Council there were aspects of the process that we were not thrilled with that the Art Center followed but they followed what was in their contract listen they came from city staff so that's where we need to change that if we'd expect to see a chest of it consultants that's right this provided understand great do we have to vote Island I think we do that this should be this is one of our reports to City Council just like you okay is this gonna go today meeting them all right um so anyone can move to and all in favor Oh discussion I feel like we've already had that if I forget that discussion all in favor the last document we have to review tonight is also from the CIP working group take it away sure first of all I should note that Connie wrote this one the CIP this year what another one of the things that we do every year probably the most important thing that we do every year at least the CIP committee is review the the capital improvements plan from the city to decide which projects are suitable for enhancement of public art so primarily having had some past recommendations that have already gone to council and been approved we're mostly looking at newark new projects in the CIP and this year the CIP was frankly pretty boring it was very practical focused there was a lot of road resurfacing and sidewalk repairs and utility repairs and things like that so there was not a lot according to our own guidelines for what what would be appropriate for enhancement and we should probably talk about the parking structure fencing which is in here this is fencing high up on the parking structures basically to prevent people from jumping off so it's probably likely to be unattractive and it would be great to have it enhanced with artwork on the other hand it's a pretty modest budget and we could we didn't feel like we could recommend a giant add on to that for our work so I don't know how much we can really get with $10,000 is is it even worth including I'm not entirely sure I would love to see in fencing enhanced but it may be too expensive well with the overall budget for the project have some additional dollars that may have been relegated for in addition to this ten thousand well there the budget for the fencing is eight hundred and sixty three thousand dollars okay and we've kind of used as a guideline about one percent of the project budget or our work because that's traditionally what has been done both here and almost everywhere and the big $10,000 though is a little more than that I might add that the the Wiener fishes on Kingsley and first that was $20,000 so now $20,000 really made an impact so I think it's possible $10,000 could actually do something with the fencing so I would you know depending on how oh it's approach so we have I think some examples in town of art work that really is dramatic at that kind of price point the parking structures are under DDA yes not directly the city and I believe historically the DDA has been very favorable to our enhancements I would say by leaving it in and having it there you may trigger a thought that has not occurred yet in whoever's managing the degage project about putting on that fencing or changing yeah voting member who has the same budget Oh at least temple just suggests but I'm just saying it would be laughs I can't speak for the DDA but it would probably look that favorable yeah I mean I don't think it hurts to include it I'm just not entirely sure but of what we can get if especially if we were limited to the ten thousand dollar budget but I'm doing a beautiful up there yeah the other thing there there's it's a ways off in terms of timing but the State Street Road improvements would be a big issue a lot of people talk for many years about State Street is a major entrance of in the city which is just kind of got off will agree with the broad expanses of pavement own dead trees bushes stuff like that so some sort of welcoming art feature would be wonderful as part of that redo of that whole area so I would say certainly think that one is worth pursuing and there was not not much else in terms of new projects that didn't even looked like it might remotely have potential there's a modest renovation at the downtown fire station but it was all areas that our staff and we could never even see it the other thing that's worth noting is that a couple of the items that were approved for enhancement in our previous report have been removed from the CIP there were things like train stations that work speculative all along and are now considered to be far enough in the future that they're outside of the term of the CIP questions so are these two projects potential projects are recommendations for 2019 or how does that work or yes yeah okay nice project the ones that we sent through last year are already approved for enhancement by City Council so this will be adding two more today I would be curious to it join this committee to identify sites that could see enhancement I don't know how that works or what well and you do the working group in our report huh we'll add you to the working group an hour with me yeah the working group yeah I think that's it's fun Division I am curious how many parking structures are being considered or would be considered was there as many I know they just added fencing on the William and main the fencing on those did not occur through the CIP they didn't hit the CIP threshold okay i'ma believe I believe the parking structure fencing here I don't know how many structures that - yeah I do not know that but I do know that the and Ashley parking structures are actively being looked at her as being designed for expansion okay I was wondering if um since some of the projects have been pulled out last year after we submitted our recommendation up for the CIP there was a lot of public money and things like that and now this is an addition but yet there is a substantial amount that's gone off in the list so I'm wondering if there's some way that that can be presented to in the report to Council so that they they see that there's also a subtraction of what about was last year just to avoid confusion by the public and seeing it as a continuously growing amount instead of balance to it yeah does that make sense so much they're saving basically well I think it also shows that please come and go right it's not a set thing it's based on what actually goes forward and then it has some more stops and there's a money spent the day that they approve it is potential so yeah all of this approval is is putting it into a potential future budget that would get approved again if a project actually moves forward yeah here is your microphone oh I can't we can't hear of anemic what did you say that he doesn't I was letting kind of know that she has a of current list of budgeted CIP projects once we developed that a little bit more and there's some additions to I'm who's responsible who has the project it will be a nice list to start working from to see what actually has been budgeted for yeah don't do we want to then hold off on this report to the first meeting in February so you can have that attached correctly well that attachment is only projects that have gone forward yeah but if you were concerned I heard a concern that adding these two on would made the impression they're being piled on it to everything else without the listing of the project chapter I have I my personal feeling is that we still need one consistent list with every single thing that's being considered that's been budgeted that way it's just a lot clearer for folks in my opinion that's why I was asking if the group and it gets back to the same question as before if we submit a composite list that has everything in it does it give a chance of pulling out things well they're not high I thought they're just getting it as an attachment to their thing they're not yeah there's a difference between tracking all of the things that we're doing versus these are what we approved for this fiscal year these are that fiscal year for the future those are two different things and just logically to me that if this is our what we're recommending for the upcoming fiscal year that's what it hadn't have in it accompanying it if we want to say if this is the list that were working from these projects are no longer out or whatever I think that's fine but two different things they don't yes Jeff the council has to vote on something so we're presenting something that they're literally going to vote on that I think the chair that so they need to agree with this actually as a vote council doesn't vote on this yes they do they did Lester they did to our last lists okay they did all right cuz the CIP only most of the plan information last year the council voted on a series of lists it was reported in the newspaper that we were recommending two million dollars it was inaccurate but that's what the council actually did vote on so I don't know whether or not w-4 as presented to us because the previous years have gone down as just a recommendation that they've accepted but not approved so you had no formal authorization included religions so that's why it had to go to Council for approval but I'm wondering whether they should be annotated when we do the capital budget if it's a mere one of their capital budget annotated enhanced not I'll pick it up put the budget okay whether they vote on that I think you sweetly clarification because this is totally different from everything we discussed yes yeah I just have some excuse me but I just had the thought when you were saying that CIP enjoy the council all DC's the first year of this but you can approve it and we'll figure out the correct way to take it forward okay so are there any other questions about this document as it stands and recommendations do I have a motion to approve John a second all in favor Oh discussion I get it favor great thanks guys these are great recommendations I'm excited to see them the other thing that you should know is I think this may be the first time we've ever actually done this schedule any other reports from our working groups I'm sure you guys have been working fire between our last have any reports just really small just that today was the first day of the master rain gardens class that I started and so there's actually one member on Planning Commission the teachers for in the class and I'm hoping that that will kind of inform the possibility of a project involving some youth to do something like that maybe a mural as well so it's got the first step and see if they can come to work well let's keep us up to date any other news things you want to share before we adjourn 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and welcome to the first board meeting of 2019 that's still kind of hard to say 2019 but welcome to the first governing board meeting of the Dysart Unified School District let the record reflect Madam Secretary that all board members are present and if everyone please rise we will have the Pledge of Allegiance done by our newest board member Don Densmore [Music] thank you very much okay and since this is our first meeting of the new calendar year this meeting is considered our organizational meeting which is where we elect a governing board president and governing board clerk to preside as our officers for the 2019 year so at this point I will take nominations for as governing board president I'd like to nominate Christine pressure miss Pritchard are you accepting of this nomination yes thank you and are there any other nominations then I would entertain a motion I move the governing board elect Christine Pritchard as governing board president second motion made by Jennifer Tanner seconded by Tracy Sawyer sync bill please cast your votes now area all right relax thank you motion passes and at this point I will turn the meeting over to miss Pritchard who is our new governing board president thank you mrs.
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