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all right welcome to the November 1st regular meeting of the annor Planning Commission for detailed information on the meeting procedures please review the full printed meeting agenda as provided M Kelly will you please call the role commissioner Lee here commissioner aons here commissioner W here commissioner Mills here commissioner hamers Schmid has noted she will be absent this evening council member dish here commissioner sa here commissioner Clark commissioner Weatherby here you have a quorum thank you uh moving on to approval of the agenda may I have a motion to approve uh commissioner hammer or I'm sorry Mills seconded by commissioner white all those in favor please say I I I any opposed the motion carries um minutes of the previous meeting May I have a motion to approve the minutes of the October 17th commissioner uh Mills and council member dish uh is there any discussion of the minutes all those in favor of the motion please say I I I any opposed seeing no one the motion carries next up by the reports of the Planning Commission and written communication council member dish I'm going to start with you no report because Council hasn't met since the last time we did oh thank you m Kelly do you have any report I do I would uh first of all like to introduce the person who is sitting to my right um first day for our new planning Services intern Jonathan artson so uh please give a welcome to Jonathan uh they will be shadowing uh stuff and learning about the Planning Commission through the meeting this evening uh you also have a comprehensive Plan update from planning manager Leonard he is scheduling a subcommittee meeting to develop recommendations to finalize your steering committee and also the consultant team is reviewing um past surveys and uh still doing uh a bit of existing conditions review the tc1 resident participation meeting for the rezoning of 63 Parcels along Wasa Corridor will be held Thursday in person November 16th uh at 6:30 p.m.

uh the first of which 28:45 South State Street which is a request to vacate three areas of roadway rights fronting 2845 South State Street the owner of the property at 2845 South State requests that the roadway wres over a 50t by 229 ft and a 50t x 51 ft area adjacent to South State and a 27t x 310t area adjacent to Eisenhower Parkway are vacated this action will remove these previously acquired roadway rights over the property and result in a uniform right of way Edge along the east side of South State Street between Eisenhower Parkway and Oakbrook Drive and along the north side of Eisenhower Parkway between South State Street and Boardwalk Drive the second public hearing will be 312 East yon Street this is located at the southeast corner of East uran in South fth Avenue Zone D1 downtown core District it's a proposal to construct an approximately 77,000 ft² six-story Hotel building on two Parcels totaling 045 Acres access is proposed off South Fifth Avenue and leads to nine surface parking spaces with storm water detention located below the parking lot no regulated natural features will be impacted from this proposal thank you we're going to move on to section 8A unfinished business this is regarding the 3520 Green Court this is the plan unit development text Amendment for city council approval the proposed amended supplemental regulations will expand the permitted principal uses of the Pud the permitted unit development or planed unit development excuse me the permitted principal uses would include medical dental offices which are currently prohibited would expand the definition of hotel which would currently um which currently restricts Hotel developments to Extended stays with 100 room Max Capacity would permit the development of multif family residential housing which is currently excluded and the Pud District includes 35.262781 uh that is correct and the reason for this postponement to the second regular session in January or that request is because this petitioner later in your agenda is asking um to be included in the city initiated uh resoning to tc1 along the Plymouth Road area and they would like to postpone um their prior interest uh in um in One Direction toward tc1 and they await the outcome of this meeting and city council proceedings thank you so we're going to go to public hearing and then motion is that correct that is correct all right we're going to move to public hearing this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about the proposed PE amendments we will first call on individuals to pres uh present to address the commission then remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star 9 if listening by phone or use the raised hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call call 877 853 5247 and enter meeting ID 977 66 34226 City staff will select callers that have raised your hands using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available for those accessing through the web link you'll hear an automated announcement allow saying that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute any television sounds so that we can hear you clearly uh again for either method of participation please state your name name and your address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak about this matter at this time yes but can I wait or I I need to speak first is this regarding the 3520 Green Road PUD oh no I'm I'm from Plymouth Road Plymouth Road if this is regarding the tc1 this is not quite that time okay it it'll be later in the agenda thank you seeing no one um is there anyone that would like to address the commission remotely the proposed motion is to postpone to the January 16th regular session moved by commissioner white seconded by commissioner a discussion of the proposed motions I'm sorry uh Voice vote without objection that motion passes any objections the motion passes all right we'll move on to section 8B which is 3874 Research Park Drive this is sorious phase two site plan for Planning Commission approval this is where the site plan is actually approved phase two proposal to construct 11,800 ft building addition onto the existing building 77 new parking spaces with two new curb cuts off Research Park driver also proposed the staff recommendation is approval and we will move on to petitioner presentation Miss Brier all right good evening everybody I'm Candace Brier with Midwestern Consulting I'm here tonight with um um Cameron mccoslin the applicant as well as Peter Mertens from Sartorius Tom Phillips from Hops and black Architects and Joe Vic the contractor for this project so um just for context um this is phase two of the project so you may remember from a year maybe two ago um seeing phase one these are the central properties of the research Park Drive Industrial Park area um south of I94 East of State Street north of Ellsworth um the site's just under 17 Acres it is zoned re o RL which allows for the um the use um as I mentioned phase one of this site plan was approved in February of 2022 um and is currently under construction um this phase includes a proposed building addition which would expand the uses that were um um proposed for phase one uh many elements of phase one will be utilized as part of this expansion including the parking lots the drive aisles the solid waste enclosures storm water management system and many of the utility connections um the proposed Phase 2 improvements do include a small parking lot expansion um the associated lighting some underground utilities and Landscaping um this site plan also does include removal of one Landmark tree with six mitigation trees provided um so as I mentioned the project is is primarily a proposed building Edition it's 110,00 ft one-story building Edition on the north side of the phase 1 building um there's also a proposed parking lot with 77 parking spaces including 9 evi and 32 EVC spaces um which would bring the total parking on site to 376 um vehicle spaces we're also proposing 26 additional bicycle parking spaces for a total of 58 on site um access to the parking lot will be provided from the existing phase one driveway so we won't need a new driveway for the parking lot but we are proposing two new access points um along the north side of the building for truck loading and unloading and for fire access um we're also proposing a new um crosswalk connection to the AATA bus stop that's on the east side of Research Park Drive as far as utility service it's pretty minimal um there will be a new sanitary sewer lead on the west side of the building um connecting into Research Park Drive and um a new hydrant that's being constructed on the north side of the building um there are no new domestic water or fire service leads um The Phase 2 building will be serviced internally um from the phase one water Network um we will use the existing infiltration Basin that was constructed in phase one that was sized to accommodate the runoff from this phase as well so um nothing needs to be done with that as far as storm water is concerned and then franchise utilities will utilize the connections that were that were put in for phase one um at this point I can turn it over to Tom if he wants to come talk about the new building evening uh Tom Phillips with Hobson black Architects here at an aror um the building is very much in character with uh the existing building that's under construction now it's made of a a sophisticated uh metal panel insulated metal Panel System uh very similar interlocking that uh exceeds all the current energy code requirements and this phase will not have as much Glass by percentage but the the glass that is there is is also High Performance Glass uh intended to block some of the heat coming in from the Sun um and then the the roof as well is is a white uh membrane roof that um is not only reflective but the insulation of the envelope also exceeds the uh the energy code requirements so it's very much uh in character with the the first phase of the building show you a couple pictures of it um the trucking area is kind of tucked into the back of the building along the north Edge as can is mentioned and we tried to you know offer some variation uh to the C generate some interest in the building going around the perimeter and uh continue to um Express kind of the high-tech nature of the of the client in the building itself and that's where we're at so you want to okay I'll thanks Tom um cam did you want to mention and some of the sustainability features of the project cam moslin with Portage Capital so uh you know the sustainability issues that we we really went through quite a bit you know on the phase one would continue um on this phase which would be full implementation of the lead gold status that we are achieving in uh in this phase plan to do full solar to the extent we can we can get on the roof that's I think the one of the the pictures I don't think are necessarily representative because we've got a pretty sizable solar array on the first phase that will be implemented obviously everything related to you know the code with uh with EV and um and any other uh you know things that we were were looking at you know through the phase one we will continue on with phase two which been has been a pretty exhaustive effort you know both by uh sorus as a company with their initiatives on sustainability and you know in and in kind with the uh an arbor with what we were trying to achieve with this project thanks with that uh we're happy to answer any questions perfect thank you then with that I think we go to staff presentation Mr CH yeah I think the petitioner did a good job of making an overall presentation on the site the only thing I think I would add is there is the Malex Creek that runs along the north portion of the site that's a 25 foot natural features buffer that they have met um there are two additional curb cuts that are placed along Research Park Drive on the East and the West that again does me code and with that uh planning departments recommends approval for this project thank you with that we'll move on to public hearing uh this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about the proposed site plan we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission than remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star N9 if lifing by phone or use the rais hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 87 7 853 5247 and enter meeting ID 977 63 uh 66 341 1226 City staff will call uh select on callers that have raised her hands using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute any television or background size uh sound so that we can hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name an address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time as previously advertised Ken Garber again [Music] um so this is hard for me because Sartorius is part of my professional world I write for scientific journals about the life sciences including some of the applications that sartoria specializes in so I should be thrilled there here in an arbor but actually it's the opposite why because they'll add to the city's carbon footprint in a big way for decades to come if the energy use intensity of this building is the same as what Sartorius disclosed for phase one 250 kobus per square foot per year I calculate that this new building will emit over 3500 metric tons CO2 equivalent emissions a year every year that's the same as putting 650 gasoline field motor vehic on the road for the life of this building uh I refer you to the June 23rd letter to Soria signed by 40 prominent an arbor residents some of whom you probably know and the company's response Sartorius did not address any of our suggestions for reducing the energy demand of this building and thus the requirement for constant air exchange mostly from F fum Hood use adopting these Innovations as others have should make full electrification possible although the company received almost $7 million in city tax breaks and state grants to locate here um Sartorius at least their executive team uh still acts as if they're doing us a favor uh I spoke with Mr mland who you just heard from uh before the meeting for a little bit and he mentioned to me that it's still uncertain what this new 110,000 F foot building or addition will contain um Company still hasn't decided apparently um it's his guess based on what he told me that there won't be Labs there that they'll consolidate the labs in phase one which is now under the construction and they'll put other stuff in this addition um so um while the building should be all electric regardless if there are no Labs here there's certainly no excuse for gas um I was confused by Mr mowen's statement on solar he referred to um solar on this building but it's not clear to me whether there would be additional solar in beyond what is planned for phase one um so that's a question I would have maybe I just wasn't listening closely um if solar were placed on half the0 the square footage of this roof that would be over 1.2 megaw enough to power about homes um the staff report mentions that OSI asked artorius to include onsite solar with storage achieve full building electrification and other things going further to say that quote it does not recommend approval of this project um I ask that you postpone the site plan vote to allow sorus to meet with OSI and with concerned citizens about adopting measures that will allow full building electrification thank you sir anyone else present that would like to speak at this time seeing none is there anybody that's electing to comment remotely there are no hands raised Mr chair okay thank you uh the proposed motion is that the Ann Arbor City Planning Commission approves the sorious site plan located at 3874 Research Park Drive moved by commissioner Mills seconded by council member dish we are in discussion anyone like to kick us off commissioner Mills I'll do the quick one um that follows on nicely to asking about solar panels my computer was making sounds because I was control effing to see if I missed it in the site plan so that that was one thing that I was curious about and trying to um hear the presentation and and see osi's report too what are the plans for Soler on this large roof that is being added so so you're currently in the first phase we we do have solar I would be a Miss to tell you what what the St stats are but it's to the extent we can get panels on the roof it's basically fully covered this building is a laboratory building a lot of uh air handling equipment so you know we are taking up a vast amount of space with air handling equipment that's on the roof so obviously you have to be you know you have to some loading issues with the roof and also with uh you know AIS around uh you know those those units so to the extent that we have solar though it's it's pretty much the roof is covered either with mechanical equipment or solar panels when when this the first phase is done you wouldn't see that today's version it's not that far along yet M we anticipate the same thing will happen with Phase 2 you know we we've got uh lead to to be able to that standard to be able to keep up with so that in itself between all the other uh you know building envelope uh insulation and the vast other things that we're doing would almost dictate that we have to get that much solar on the roof to begin with so so I'm this is a question for staff I guess I'm not seeing it in the site plan necessarily and and it if it's there then OSI doesn't know that plan because they also did not indicate anything in phase one so am are we missing something I don't believe so uh I don't think it's shown on the site plan either on the roof unless somebody Wass to confirm that I'm I'm missing on the site plan is it something that's going to be added in the future is that the The Phase 2 solar yes um it's on the roof it's not on anywhere other than the roof it's not we don't have enough room on the site to even put any additional on the site if you look at the you know the plan from the standpoint of it's either building parking lot or or water management storm water management there's not a whole lot to put anything anywhere else but yes we I mean they anticipate the solar the solar is almost a little bit of a design build thing as as you go you know to understand where we can actually put those things when we have so we would and plan that in in in this this plan approval we anticipate to put it in on though so by the way OSI we we had it on a we we were discussed this at length during during phase one I don't think that met any requirement that they were looking for you know as as aide and I I would just say it's not there right now when I look at this see that as a huge opportunity um particularly if there's not as much lab space in this side of the building we don't know that 100% that was a that was that was I would prefer you to ask me related to the use of the building all right we don't know 100% what what we're what we're doing at the building right now there's several business opportunities in front of sorus that they're they're trying to really ascertain what what happens obviously they've got facilities all over the world and all in in the country here as well so that's a moving Target a little bit you know one of the things that we you know that that we as we sit here today uh Candace and I were actually just looking you know this process from the start of it is almost a year as we go through this so much changes in that amount of time from a business aspect you know that's even been a moving Target to be perfectly honest you know from what we started this out to be and where we're at right now could be could be lab could be you know office space could be research could be a lot of things I think that the I from the standpoint of solar I think that we would make that commitment you know if if we wanted to uh amend anything from that standpoint to to that we are putting solar the lead requirement that we are uh trying to ascertain is going to put us there regardless we have to get there with with with solar and I if that's a commitment that you're willing to make that's something that I would love to see in part just because I think I just think this the spec would be a little you know out there right now you don't haven't designed what your roof space is but something that suggests there's lots of different things that could happen on a roof right so and and there's Play Between all of these whether it's white roof to be reflective sure for cooling you know helping with cooling whether it's a green roof to help be insulative or putting solar panels on the roof I mean those are those but those are design choices and I'm not an architect but I would S I would imagine that those change how you're design has how you're thinking about designing that it does especially with what's inside the building and where it goes as well certainly what I would suggest is that particularly to in presenting and talking about we're thinking specifically about this phase tonight and so thinking what's on this phase and and this is what I've been trying to sort out is what we're seeing vers what we're hearing is is not in keeping so something if if this is to include solar having that commitment to maximize solar to the extent possible on the roof would certainly make me feel um much more comfortable about this moving towards sustainability again don't know all of the details of lead but there's lots of things being in a in a city like an arbor earned you some points on lead from the get-go so I think that having um some addition commitment there would would make me feel a whole lot better otherwise I think that this is um in keeping with this area I mean I think that the when I look at the building and the plans what I see is huge opportunity sitting there to help Advance sustainability goals and um and UNM opportunity and so that's that's my comment but I would um turn it back to the chair yeah I would just just I would invite at at a certain point when I think this first phase is is along I'm and I'm sure that uh sir toris would love to have everyone out to see this building because I would tell you outside of a municipal building or a university building that's probably the most one of the most sustainable buildings that's ever been built in an arbor I can tell you and the guy back there who's paying for it all would tell you that because we're spending a lot of money on uh on things that they want to achieve it's really not been driven by Ann Arbor it's really more their company initiative that's got us there but we are we are investing a ton in sustainability efforts in this building if you really uh would like to examine some of the sartorious initiatives you would see that that this a huge Global goal for them as as they produce more real estate around the world thank you commissioner white thank you chair Lee um question first for staff um where would where are the brownfields uh noted with this development is it in Steam at all or is it completely outside because I just I heard 7 million from Mr Garber but um is that a 15y year or 30 years is that the total amount I'm not prepared to answer that question I I don't I I don't really I don't know if somebody from staff knows well I'll I'll turn to mix uh Kelly so uh so the meeting that I missed uh where we talked about getting answers or bringing in uh folks because one of the things that I'm concerned about is the taxpayers are paying um a significant burden because they're getting a tax deferment for 15 30 years and we aren't getting sort of the sustainability objectives that OSI have requested and I I know that those two things sit in separate spaces but I think they should come into the same space so that we understand that a part of what we are approving because our code hasn't caught up to our objectives right now is that we're actually paying them to pollute uh in our community in a way that they would not be able to if they were building this development uh in the headquartered um location of this company so how could like how do we get to that information um so that we are both as a community better informed about how we're carrying the tax burden of this pollution MH uh we can certainly incorporate that information into staff reports moving forward so that they're in an integrated location for the planning commissions consideration um if Mr changen does not have the information before him right now uh I do not I could attempt to get more details to circulate before the end of tonight's meeting or to share uh via follow-up I don't I don't know that it is particularly necessary for uh for you to do that for tonight's meeting but it's just um it's a huge part of how these things come to the table and I know the state has also granted Monies to bring them here but given that we're not getting the OSI recommendations of all electrification solar um then really we're just we're deferring this tax base uh to allow them to bring in you know this natural gas uh to this development uh until we can catch up with our objectives and so I just want to make sure that that is also noted uh as we continue to talk about this devel vment I uh certainly concur that having um project details to give a rounded context is helpful I will uh however note that in order to approve a petition before the body it is most important that it meet the criteria of the city code and that is what is before you this evening and yes and I've had some objections with the impact to our health and well-being and that phrase when we go about our approval but we don't have to have that conversation again tonight just to be clear Brownfield I'm not addressing you sir thank you well the Brownfield appr nothing to do with face Lee can you please instruct the petitioner not to address the commission I believe that commissioner wh would like to finish thank you thanks no problem yeah so I I appreciate it and it's it's just but I think it's a totality I think we are now at a point where scientists have said we are clearly going to hit the 1.5 you know degree number and it's whether we get to 1.6 and so you know our climate crisis is real and that's going to affect all of us it's going to infect uh the the Water waste it's going to hit storm water all of those things as storms we have more 100 500 and thousand year storms but we don't have a means to say no because that sort of phrase about the impact that it would have on the the well-being of the community isn't enforcable uh in this in this way so at least having this information about how we're you know deferring the tax revenue that we would need to fight the climate change that this pollution is going to affect in our community is something that I think is important for us to consider so I'll I'll leave it there thanks Charlie thank you any other Commissioners council member dish um okay so I I have a question but um the what I see as the total for the Brownfield was 2.7 million and um there is a million going into the affordable housing fund by virtue of there being a Brownfield agreement but I am not clear on that and so um I was hoping that if Mr delort is anywhere within the range of my voice he would come and speak to us uh so it may be a little less than uh at least the Brownfield agreement may be less than what Mr Garber mentioned um there's significant cleanup uh that happened on this site for phase one and um but nonetheless what we have in front of us is phase two and so what I wanted to ask was would it be possible to specify what you need to do to meet lead gold because I think there might be people listening for whom that that's not an obvious um those components are not obvious and it might be helpful to hear them it's uh you know that that a lead consultant which is not in the room with us tonight would probably be better and explaining that or okay somebody that that has a much more I'd love to be able to tell you all the details of it but you know it's it's obviously it's it's related to energy efficiency of the building for the most part we were actually trying to attain Platinum which is the highest standard you can get but it's unfortunately you wouldn't you can't get it even with this type of a building you can't get that so we we actually went to the highest level excuse me of the U of the lead status that we could obtain for a building of this nature and it's for both of the buildings right pH one and two for sure if you don't have it on both then you don't have it on either basically right so and then I'm sure that there's construction and demolition um a component of construction and demolition in that as well that you have to went what in the in the existing first phase for sure there was yeah demolish there was a there was an existing 50 60 year old building that we demolished phase two is Greenfield site right okay um I would I can tell you the Brownfield the way the uh the affordable housing gets that's that's by internal uh an arbor um you know by by by virtue of the the N which they changed several years ago yeah that that allows that to be uh subsidized into the affordable housing part Brown understanding that that's not an extra thing that you're putting in but it is an effect of the Brownfield agreement can allocate they can allocate part of the Brownfield to the to the Housing Initiative right exactly so uh we have to put that on the plus side um okay so I uh so I I I feel as though and I if I'm misreading the room let me know folks but I feel as though there's just a little bit of a question of how what we're seeing on the site plan corresponds to the lead gold certification and so there's a little no you're not you're you're feeling like that's not true lead gold wouldn't wouldn't appear on a site plan well it's more of a building standard than a site plan uh well if it requires you to achieve a certain amount of electrical offset we would be able to see that on the site plan no uh no so that okay so again we're in a position where we know you'll do it and we don't have to worry that we don't know the details the the the amount of investment that went into the first phase it would be criminal for us to not continue that to to obtain that lead gold status no I'm sure you're obviously um okay so I wish that that I am actually no let me frame this differently it is terrific that you are doing an infill project on this land and you are intensifying a use you are giving us greater efficiency of land use through what you were doing there really appreciate the work you're doing to improve Tech uh connectivity and bicycles uh bicycle uh Transit and you know you're doing a lot especially in phase one we saw all the work that you were doing to make this less of an island and all of that is very much appreciated um it is great that Sartorius generally has a commitment to carbon neutrality be by 2045 but there is a sense of urgency that 204 5 is a little bit of a late Target and so I think that some of the concerns that you're hearing expressed are merely genuine responses out of that sense of urgency and I think that uh it's clear that you're an ally in our in our climate mitigation goals um and it it is also clear that that we don't have any stand standards you know we can we can have the feedback from OSI but that's not written in any of our building standards and so I understand that but I would really hope that as you build as you go as you exper you know as you figure things out with the second building um you would seek the maximum efficiency for that building so that the solar you put on that roof offsets as significant a portion of your energy use as possible and I look forward to as this project proceeds hearing more details about how much you can offset so but thank you for the work you're doing thank you any other Commissioners I just wanted to State briefly that I was able to locate the uh proceedings of the approval of the Brownfield plan in March and uh circulated that to Commissioners by email if you'd like to take a look thank you Mr mclen um there was a moment where you did want to give some um information regarding the Brownfield did you want to add on to that at all no other than it was it was approved in phase one when we did uh demolish the uh the uh existing building that was there there was uh you know between uh it was deemed functionally obsolescent by the City Assessor here and also there was some environmental contamination that was mitigated at that point as well sure so that was all related to phase one Brownfield was approved as part of that phase one so just wanted to be clear that the phase two has got no bearing on that on on that on that brown field but there's no more mitigation efforts that need to take place on the site we did it all within the phase one gotcha thank thank you thank you for the clarification Mr CH yeah I just wanted to also interject that uh you know from the planning staff's uh perspective of the recommendation of approval it does meet at least for the Planning and Zoning Cod along with the other departments which may include whether it's the fire barall or engineering or or Transportation Etc uh it also you know meets with the uh the comprehensive plan recommendation for the uses at this site so that's how we you know determined uh an approval recommendation I do appreciate that yes OSI still has concerns on this project uh and those still remain thank you I'm sorry um council member dish yeah indeed looking at this document uh it is it looks like it is six million in Brownfield Tiff funds at least from the document that mix Kelly just shared with us thank you just to say that I was not correct thank you for the clarification any other comments if not I will uh add my two cents which is simply that um given the UniFi development code standards it's meeting setback um as well as Wasa County's Water Resource commissioner standards um the Bank full first flush requirements are met um from the permitted use standpoint uh office laboratory research um the use fits so um as much as I I know that clim climate change is obviously an emergency that we do face and we appreciate your commitment to being uh Net Zero oh fully sustainable by 2045 we do urge to do everything that you can um but I also know that you guys are taking a scientific approach to saying what benchmarks can we reasonably meet so um with that uh I I believe this is compliant with all required standards of the UDC that's really what we can judge this Merit by so with that do we have any other Commissioners that would like to add any other comments all right uh rereading the proposed motion the an arbor City Planning Commission approves the sartorious site plan located at 3874 Research Park Drive we'll be doing a voice vote M Kelly yes I'm sorry commissioner Lee Yes commissioner abon yes commissioner W yes commissioner svi yes council member dish yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes commissioner Weatherby yes that motion carries thank you and good luck right thank you all right we are moving on to section 10A other business tc1 Plymouth Road area resoning I will intro actually at this point in time I will be recusing myself from this particular petition thank you very much as my employer has submitted a petition to include one of their properties to this tc1 thank you what you almost this one I almost yeah yeah one he was like I want to add it okay well I am out thank you commissioner Lee okay so I will introduce the petition this is the Plymouth Road area resoning to tc1 Transit Corridor district and Transit Corridor Street type designation a city initiated rezoning petition this is a petition to rezone 45 Parcels in three areas along Plymouth Road from current zoning designation to the tc1 zoning designation and to designate the segments of Plymouth Road Green Road and Nixon Road proposed to be tc1 zoning as Transit Corridor Street type the total area is 12 7 Acres the staff recommendation is approval and we will have a staff presentation from planner to Leo welcome thank you all right uh thank you uh we have um prepared a staff report and in the interest of time and efficiency I'll really um I won't hit on it all I'm happy to answer any questions but um this is the third rezoning that we have um that we have proposed Ed for the same purpose to reone areas of the city to tc1 the staff report goes over some background including the when the tc1 district was created um some of its uh intents objectives its um goals it goes over some of the history of our zoning map changes um it details the public engagement that we did specific to this project um and then um it goes into the actual proposed resoning my presentation here tonight will focus on two things the areas that are proposed to be rezoned and some facts and data about those and then um the area height and placement standard and development standards of the tc1 district itself um so you get an idea of what the new rules would be and a little bit of comparison um to underlying zoning districts so the um proposed resoning is as mentioned 45 Parcels that cover about 27 Acres there are 99 unique addresses in the resoning area and these come from 42 individual lots and three condominium which have um and then both some of the individual lots have multiple addresses as well as the Condominiums have a lot of individual individual owners um we I have broken down the area into three sub areas just for discussion purposes they are not connected um we have a East Central and West West or West Central East depending on which way you like to read the page the East sub area has 19 Parcels about 53 Acres it includes 2000 2001 Commonwealth 2,000 Green Road and between 3250 and 3650 Plymouth Road mostly on the north side of Plymouth a little bit on the south side of Plymouth also as part of this we will be designating some streets speciic specifically Plymouth and Green as um Transit Corridor streets then the tc1 district the front setbacks are different depending on if you are on a Transit Corridor or if you are not um I should say that this is a proposed scheme that is going before city council for first reading on Monday um if it is not passed then the regular standards uh for front setback there will be only be one setback standard for the tc1 but as shown green and Plymouth Road will be designated as Transit Corridor streets and again as I mentioned the front set back standards are different depending on if you what front lot line you are um this is a map of the underlying zoning districts in the East sub area they include o office two PUD zoning districts C1 local business c1b Community Convenience Center C3 Fringe commercial as well as re research and R5 Hotel the Central Area excuse me the central area has 17 Parcels covers about 60 Acres um it spans um um it's sort of centered at the um Plymouth Road Mall and the traverwood shopping center um it includes 2,000 traverwood drive and two 2301 to 3055 Plymouth Road the proposed uh Transit Corridor Street designations in this area are Plymouth and Nixon um and those would get the designation of Transit corridors uh there's also um some Frontage on Hon Parkway and traverwood those do not get transit Corridor Street frontages the underlying zoning in this uh sub area includes orl which is office research light industrial office o and C3 Fringe commercial in the west sub area there are nine Parcels it's a little more than 13 acres it includes 1812 Upland Drive 1635 to 1800 Plymouth Road and this one again includes both a lot on the North a little bit on the south side of Plymouth the Plymouth Road is the only designated Transit Corridor um for this sub area uh Upland um does not get a Transit Corridor designation the underlying zoning in the west sub area includes one PUD C1 local business again c1b Community Convenience Center C3 Fringe commercial and P Parking I feel like this is a repeated slide am I going backwards maybe um yeah um a for a zoning District uh floor area ratio um or density and height comparison I got to move a little window here make it a little bit smaller there we go um overall I would describe this as the tc1 district um does allow a lot more density um than the underlying zoning districts as the top row indicates the C1 district has 100% floor area ratio that means that um whatever the square feet of the site is that's the square feet of the building um the most total building that you can have um um now that building um because of setbacks you can't really build lot line to lot line to lot line um so if you want to generally build exactly equal amount building is probably going to have to have some portions of two stories or more but this is what it means 100% means whatever the square foot of the site is that is the maximum square feet square footage of the building in the c1b district it's 150% C3 is 200% the office District 75 orl and re also 75 the R5 Hotel district little hard to compare apples to oranges there's no maximum building size but you need at least 900 ft of lot area per hotel room the parking district has no density no building size um ratio and neither does the tc1 district but all the districts do have a height limit the um c1b has the shortest at 35 c1b 50 and C3 is 55 the o o RL and re all have a maximum height of 55 ft or none I'll explain in a moment hotel motel has a um either 50 or 80 50 is normal 80 is when you put parking underneath the building the p district requires an equal height limit to the adjacent zoning designation and the tc1 also has a variable height limit between starting at 55 working your way up to 300 I'll explain in a minute front setbacks are are pretty much are quite in line most minimums are either 10 or 15 fet some are 25 most maximum uh front setbacks are 25 they push up to 40 or 50 in some areas the tc1 requires a minimum of either 0o feet um or 18 ft but the 18 is measured from the back of the curb so it could be just a few feet from the property line and the maximum in the tc1 district um is either 15 20 or 28 depending again on if you're on a Transit Corridor or not not um and what kind of building it is um so you can see that the minimum setbacks uh are in line uh the maximums are a little bit less I said I would get to those height limit the uh o o and re District the maximum height is 55 ft when you're within 300 ft of a residential zoning District beyond that there is no maximum height limit I do say this with a grain of salt because if you recall with the 75% floor area ratio um you would have to have an exceptionally large site to then have enough square footage to go up that High um if your buildings can only get so small and then they're structurally like a pencil and you can't fit anything on each floor so it does have quite a high height limit it's none that may be a little bit unrealistic you need a tremendous a enormous site to actually get something extremely tall with the size and the floor area limitation the tc1 height um has four ranges um when you're between Z and 80 fet it's a maximum of 55 so when you're pretty close to a residential district and then when you're between 80 and 300 you are a maximum of 75 ft you'll notice the similarities 300 ft is a common boundary line um lower height 555 or 75 F feet when you're within 300 ft of residential so that's a commonality that was not a coincidence um the tc1 was modeled after some of the best elements of our current zoning districts it's when you get Beyond 300 fet um in the o o and re theoretically you can go unlimited in the tc1 district there's two more levels one is 120 ft and then even further when you're a, ft away you could be um 300t tall um there's a front setback note explain explaining what I said those are proposed setbacks um I have a colorful graphic it is a graph but I it's one way to visually represent how the height is broken down in the tc1 um District compared to the other districts the first row is purple and that is 30 ft which represents um single family residential all of the single family residential districts have a 30-ft height limit and some of the multifamilies do as well so compared to that purle line all the way do I have a pointer I will not stop to find out um the C1 District um allows a little bit more height if you remember it was 35 ft a little bit more height all the way across everywhere in the C1 District the c1b C3 um the beginning part of o o RL r e all of those um they have a 55t height limit c1b and C3 the whole District No Vari no variation just that's what it is straight back in the o o and re once you get to that 300t line they go up this chart shows them at 300 feet just so they don't run off the page but remember the height limit is actually none the R5 um it has the two uh uh the two limits both 55 50 ft and 80 ft parking is equal to residential that's why it's all purple and all the same there in the T one District there's four levels the first two are within the 300 ft same as o and orl very close it's 55 ft a little bit farther away it's the green at 75 ft then when you get to that 300t Mark instead of just being none as some other districts are it's either 120t which is the yellow or it's 300 feet and that's a true 300t with the red we have on our website an interactive zoning an interactive mapping tool and when you go you'll see this I realize the buffers are covering what's underneath and you can't even see the roads but bear with us it's better than nothing um this shows the East sub area and the the purple outline of the proposed zoning the orange which you'll only see on the far left side of the page there's a little swath of Orange right that that spot is a limit of 55 ft then the Blue Area um that area is between 80 and 300 ft of residential zoning so in the blue area that height limit is 75 ft the yellow area means that they are more than uh 300 ft away from residential that height limit in that area is 120 ft and the clear that's where you can have up to 300 feet in height if you so choose in the central sub area um this area um again the proposed boundary is outlined in purple the orange has a 55t height limit the blue has a 75t height limit the bulk of the the bulk of the middle is the yellow and that has 120 foot height limit and I believe technically there is a tiny tiny spot that could have a 300t building I don't know how you would engineer this building but there you go and then on the west sub area um you can see here there's no clear there's no spot in the west sub area where you could have up to 300 ft um up to 300 foot building you can only have 55 as shown in the orange area 75 in the blue area or 120 ft maximum height in the yellow area the tc1 district also has some additional development standards that none of the current zoning designations have the tc1 district um says no more than two curb cuts um currently curb cuts are regulated by how many feet of Frontage you have the more feet of Frontage you have the more num the more curb Cuts you can have it's just a simple formula the tc1 district says doesn't matter what the formula says you have two uh the tc1 district also says that parking lots must be behind or next to buildings they must be surrounded by the buildings I will mention that this is a current standard on the books for all districts however every other District except the tc1 says if you're on a corner lot it you only need to be behind or to the side of one of the sides so depends on the perspective just an example I'll say the corner of uh main inhon the building needs to go at the corner of Main and hon but from the Main Street side there's no parking the parking's in the back but if you approach it from the hon side the parking might be on the side in the tc1 district it's say you have to have some sort of L-shaped building or something you have to make that parking not the dominant feature and it has to go behind to the rear um the tc1 district limits the surface area of the parking lot to be either the same as or just slightly larger than the building footprint if you want additional spaces they've got to be in parking structures or underneath the building and parking garage so forth the tc1 district says if you have a site that's about over about an acre and a half you must design it in blocks your building can only be so big and you have to have multiple buildings can't have one giant building and it says the building Frontage must be 70% of the lot width or the block width meaning your building has to be wide and has to go along the sidewalk um spaning the whole lot um and the final set of additional development standards sort of as mentioned the maximum building size is 250 ft wide and 360 ft on the diagonal if you want a bigger building than that fine you have to propose two buildings the buildings have to have a functional entrance on the sidewalk um sidewalks on all sides of the building dwelling units are not permitted within 100 ft of a signalized intersection and buildings except for town houses or apartment buildings must meet the downtown building design requirements for minimum first story height which is 15 ft street level transparency which means how much of your building has is Windows and then there are some rules about the windows themselves then my final slide about um the development standards of the tc1 District compared to others um parking is not done by parking is mostly not done by zoning District it's done by land use and of the dozens of land uses in our table some of them have already have a maximum parking limit and that's mostly one space for three 265 or 250 sare ft phased another way it's about four spaces per thousand but it's about uh one spa or it is one space per 265 or or 250 um and notable land uses that have that maximum are your average size retail um or general offices sometimes for some specifics the uh Financial or medical offices they have a maximum parking limit of one space per 180 Square ft the tc1 um doesn't go by land use it has just a districtwide maximum of one space per 333 Square ft so when you compare the tc1 to U most parking maximums um they do you're allowed to have or you're required to have 25% less than what you would get otherwise but when you compare the tc1 district to Banks or medical dental offices it can actually be 40% more um now that would be a development that is exclusively that type of use but the tc1 district relies on a its proximity to transit to um not uh to reduce those maximums and B it requires on mixed or it relies on mixed uses and mixing time of mixing types of uses mixing time of day requirements you know if you have um non-residential and residential sharing the same parking lot um you can share you can use those spaces um 247 because the offices might be there during the day Apartments might be there um apartment Parkers might be there overnight and the two may not meet um but that is a high level over VI um as I oh I will say that also the um staff report goes through some of our analysis of the benefits and pros and cons as well of the tc1 district um those include how it does achieve um many of our um comprehensive and um uh many of our variety of goals um that are across documents in the transportation plan in the non-motorized plan in our Parks plan in our master plan in our land use plan um the tc1 also is an opportunity to uh unify the zoning along corridors right now you saw in the zoning map it's a lot of different zoning um rules it's a lot to keep track of for residents um what can what is permitted on this property and then what is permitted right next door it's a lot to keep track for developers um this is a more unified approach to um Corridor zoning um um there are some um there are some cons to this though um admit there's always and those include the many of the existing structures will become non-conforming because of their size if they're more than 250 ft wide that's too big in the tc1 district um or maybe for front setback they're setback too far now we those zoning distri districts already have maximum setback so they might already be non-conforming for front setback this would just be changing the flavor of the non-conformity um and we have seen that rezoning might slow the pace of new development we have there has been no new or infield development in uh any existing tc1 District to date um and then I will wrap up by pointing out and as you know we don't normally po point out individual correspondents that have been received um um for any particular topic but um we have three pieces of Correspondence uh one of which is mentioned in the staff report and was in the packet and two of which came after the packet was published and those are not so General those are very specific pieces and so I'll Point those out that one of them was from Oxford companies asking for two lots to be included in the proposed resoning and then the other pieces of Correspondence one is from first Martin Corporation that came on um Monday o October 30th and another from Orchard Hills Maplewood homeowners association that c which is oh mha that came today on November 1st and they are asking for three pieces three lots to be excluded um from the the proposed resoning and again as you know we don't normally mention these things but this is very specific um not it's not a general support not a gen not a general um uh opposition but they were asking for a on the motion um staff is recommending approval I know I glossed over some of the background so as always happy to answer any background questions also happy to answer any more details thank you uh we'll now move to the public hearing this is an opportunity for persons to speak for up to 3 minutes about the proposed resoning we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission than remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely press star n of listening by phone or use the raise hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access call 877 85352 47 and enter meeting ID 977 66 341 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised their hand using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available for those accessing through the web link you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute television or background sounds so that we may hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time you can approach the podium thank you good evening I'm Elizabeth gallamore address 3139 Plymouth Road and what I wanted to talk about is two things one is I'm in the section between Georgetown and and Commonwealth there are five homes they are zoned residential there are four out of the five that are now rentals what is zoning my other concern is um in the 1990s I spoke before city council about the need for a street light at the end of Georgetown and Plymouth Road for the number of people who had to cross Plymouth Road to get to the bus stop um and they said there would not be a light put there because commuters wouldn't like it in the early 2000s when Steve rapundalo was the mayor I came back to city council and reported on the number of accidents that occur at that corner and how dangerous it is with five lanes and you've got a whole neighborhood trying to to get out of that section he said it would be put in sooner rather than later and city council agreed with him it is not there yet it is 2023 um city council approved a crosswalk it is not at the corner it is down the street on Plymouth Road the problem is if you like me own a minivan you you can't fit your car in that turn lane past that little Gadget they built in the middle of the road to make that left hand turn without worrying about getting hit in the behind aide drivers refuse to make that turn they like I drive the wrong way into the road it's a one-way Street at that point there needs to be a light at Georgetown and Plymouth Road and then I would also like like you to check the zoning on those homes thank you thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission you can approach the podium good evening everyone uh my name is Ena Lee um I'm the um um owner of um um 2765 plos Road um um we have a business there um I opened it up um it's called in Bri bonics um I open it up from scratch in um November 2019 right before Co um so um so now it's um it's four years and my business um is finally you know uh have a really good start finally and then uh up and running so um I just uh read about this resoning activity on anab news and uh it draw my attention because on the one hand I understand that this could be a really great thing to happen to allow um the increase of the uh residential density to um to be close to the north campus area um because uh apparently you know uh I'm actually also um uh a resident um in the uh like at the north campus area so I understand housing can be like very very tight there so um I do understand the need of to increase the density of the um the residential housing there um on the other hand um by looking at the U maps for all these three um three parts along the pral road uh as a tenant not really as a property owner um I just it it wasn't clear to me as far as What's um what the future development of these um corridors or the zones or resoning uh activity will impact my business because um even though I wasn't I wasn't there at the November 26 public meeting uh held at the Trevor wood uh library but um I did read the article and then I I I believe there was another uh resident um named Donna she did bring up she did bring up the concerns about um some similar um resoning and uh Redevelopment of um some downtown areas had already happened and then unfortunately um while the residential Parts fill up like um the uh Redevelopment um the the hope for bringing back the um business uh has not happened and I'm just afraid uh if that's going to happen uh what's going to really like negatively impact um you know a small business like mine and there is a lot of us um in these three parts along pus Road and that's from uh a business P perspective and also as um like um I as I mentioned I'm also a resident uh leaving very close to the north campus five five seconds left okay yeah so then um I I I'm also interested to know like uh are there any plans for like the infrastructure for example the schools all these other things that has to come along to really support the increased residential density there thank thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission thanks Commissioner abon of course I have to have my say k Garber again um first of all I want to say I appreciate all Mr Leo's work on this zoning District in Plymouth Road area in particular um and for her you know clear explanations of the implications I support tc1 Zoning for Plymouth Road um The increased density along the transit Corridor the setback and especially the parking restrictions um I think are really great um but I have an idiosyncratic um kind of comment about the district or tc1 in general as as you know by now I view everything in the world in terms of greenhouse gas emissions it's a depressing way to live but I can't help myself um let me walk you through a thought experiment let's assume that with tc1 zoning we convert a current commuter to an anabor resident that's what we want right um further assume that this person gives up their car completely and walks and bikes everywhere zero driving even for vacation let's even assume no Transit emissions at the average annual missig vehicle mileage of 14,300 M A year driving we will prevent 5.4 metric ton CO2 equivalent emissions annually from this person driving their vehicle great outcome right yes but let's assume that this person will live in a new 1,150 ft apartment or condo heated with fossil gas Consumer Energy cites um this figure 52.9 k BTU per square foot for gas consumption um in new Mid Michigan lowrise multif Family buildings for our hypothetical apartment or condo that comes to 7.9 metric tons CO2 equivalent emissions a year from gas combustion alone that's 2.5 tons more than the 5.4 tons we save by eliminating a motor vehicle so even in the best case scenario we have done nothing for the climate since that person's former residence will still be emitting CO2 in fact we're adding to emissions a lot that's why to make a positive climate impact we have to couple tc1 with building electrification and Net Zero Energy new construction tc1 and higher density by themselves are great but they dig us deeper into a hole when it comes to emissions we can't just build our way out of the climate crisis um in short tc1 can help if it's part of a comprehensive solution unfortunately I see no such Solution on the table so tonight um I support a yes vote on tc1 but I think there has to be the recognition that this is a very very partial solution to any kind of climate uh change mitigation thank you thank you hi would you like to address the commission yes my name is LEF gallamore and I live at 3139 pouth Road and um I've listened to the presentations tonight in terms of uh the resultant of the pouth road area the one concern that I have is what happens to those five houses that's located along Plymouth Road across from the the water tower if you're familiar with that area because um not CL I'm not quite sure uh clear in terms of what uh is being proposed for that particular area with a resoning request that you're making so is there some way that I can get some clarification on that I would appreciate it thank you thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission okay mix Kelly is there anybody online there are there five hands raised right now the first caller is phone number ending in 348 you have permission to address the commission for three minutes hi my name is Jane Kingston I serve on the board of Orchard Hills Maplewood homeowners association and I also have a residence at 750 uh Georgetown and 3347 Alor Court um well thank you very much for considering removing the three properties that were mentioned earlier uh I would also like to make you aware that all the Lots in Plymouth Park from 21 uh 20001 all the way up to Michigan house 2301 are deed restricted from being reson pc1 uh 31 pets also I believe is uh DED restricted in campus Heights and uh there are two others on green that I heard are being added uh 2500 Plymouth and the parel split on have land use uh restrictions inconsistent with dc1 including height and footprint uh you might want to also consider re recheck all the PS aren't also deed restricted also any additions for recent petitions to be included would reset the process uh for uh due process notification should go to all persons with property interests uh instead of just the ones uh listed on the properties the owners so please make sure everyone is included uh and I also ask why is Planning Commission rezoning PS to tc1 it's a setback for planning uh city planning to seek uh sorry it's a setback for City Planning because uh the state law already gives planning a great deal of influence on the design and land use on pugs for urban planning including for more housing um but the flexibility isn't permitted in tc1 also puds are deed restricted to their site plans resoning reopens their site plans and development agreements and any with condom and projects how just been tracked with the city attorneys in the past they have seated and withdrawn resoning from PUD parcel to p on green while I support urban planning and War housing inol ful appropriate locations please consider dropping these properties or tbling them to be uh sure they're lawfully compliance to State Property law the Michigan zoning enabling act s of property owners indeed restrictions on land and land use and zoning as does the Michigan courts please by abide by them please also consider tling properties with Frontage on green without direct driveway access to pet Road as inconsistent to dc1 Green Road isn't a Transit Corridor the area north of Green Road post office is exclusiv mid density mid multif family and PUD housing parks and schools the residental area is largely deed restricted and inconsistent with pc1 unlike smth Road and other tc1 corri is not M do classified and doesn't permit commercial Transit on Green Road I don't know if that was my time warning but thank you very much for the consideration I hope that out of time thank you our next caller is Libby Benton you have permission to address Planning Commission for three minutes great hello hi my name is hi my name is Libby Benton I live at 2359 Prairie Street and I'm calling uh to support the tc1 resoning um this uh would reone properties that are just at the end of our street and I strongly support it our neighborhood we move to the neighborhood because it is such a nice walkable Community we can get to schools uh my son's daycare grocery stores raid restaurants bars uh it's really libraries it's really a lovely place um and we'd really like to see the neighborhood move in the direction of being more walkable and more Transit oriented and having more development um and that and more housing and that final point is really what's most important to me because it's um you know a neighborhood that has a lot of sense of community and a lot of opportunities and I really want more families of all income levels to be able to live in a neighborhood like this one our next door neighbor who is one of the original owners in this subdivision shared with me that when the development was built though there are no restrictive covidence that the developer had a policy of not selling to African-Americans um and so I know that this you know rezoning can't write that wrong um in in no way but I do think that we need to be cognizant of the way that these neighborhoods were built as they currently are were very exclusive um and it's not distant history you know it's not theoretical you know many of those families that were able to purchase homes are still living here um and are still you know got to live in nice houses for 60 years and are selling them now and making $ 4400 $500,000 so um I just think that that is an aspect to think about too and supporting this and making our neighborhoods um in an arbor more open to all so thank you and please vote yes thank you our next caller is Adam Goodman you have permission to address the commission hi good evening my name is Adam Goodman I'm calling from 400 Virginia Avenue which is on the west side of Van Arbor so not particularly close to Plymouth Road but I I am close to West Stadium which is one of the corridors that is already been reson to tc1 and you know one of I'm I'm here to say a few things but first of all the sky has not Fallen uh West Stadium looks much as it did before so as Mr Leo pointed out tc1 is maybe if anything had had the effect of slowing development which you know that's that's not what I think a lot of us ultimately want to see however I think in in the near term at least it's okay because for me TC 1 is as much about what it prevents as what it allows what it prevents is the the sort of um cycle of car dependent sprawl development that we've locked ourselves into for the last you know at least 50 years probably more like 70 years uh what was getting proposed along West Stadium before was things like drive through banks just one after another driveth through in fact tc1 Reon didn't happen soon enough there is another yet another drive-through Bank under construction right now um however there was one that was stopped that is on 2060 West Stadium that site had previously been considered for drive- through banks and self storage facilities things that our community on this side of town clearly did not want um what has been most recently proposed on that site is affordable housing uh and I don't know if that proposal is actually going to you know get all the way through get built but just the fact that this is the conversation we're having now instead of a drive-through Bank feels like real substantial progress to me and so I want to see all of the corridor you know Plymouth and Wast not rezoned you know as as soon as they can be and if anything my only complaint about this whole process has been that it has taken so long to get to where we are now and we're still not done um so I hope you will advance this rezoning tonight without delay thank you thank you our next caller is phone number ending in 675 you've permission to address the commission phone number ending in 675 are you with us uh perhaps we can Circle back to uh this caller at the end of the queue uh Kirk Westfall you have permission to address the commission for 3 minutes thank you uh good evening Kirk West Fall 355 Charter Place approximately one mile from the nearest uh proposed tc1 resoning uh just calling to voice my strong support for the city initiated resoning as soon as possible um as articulated by a a prior caller I'm particularly in favor um in that once it's applied it will it will stop the corridor from retrenching further into Suburban uses and autod dominated development uh and it will also ensure that any future development whenever that comes will meaningfully meet our sustainab uh sustainability Transit walkability and mixed use goals um my only regret about this item um um other than it hasn't happened sooner is that uh it's not being applied more broadly um for example just looking at the western part of it um I'm curious why the the U-Haul uh I think site wasn't included or for that matter why it didn't go all the way down into Lower Town um I am uh happy that the Green Court folks um are looking to ask for tc1 inclusion um I I highly recommend that um once this this zoning is applied and goes through the process um I think that would be a great addition that part of Green Road is a a very frequent Transit Corridor not just the triple ATA you know with that park and ride there and northward but also all the blue buses that um go through that part of town um I'm I I would struggle to think of what commercial properties in the city that we actually wouldn't want tc1 given how it tapers down to residential um even shorter than um the 55 ft once you get closer to residential as outlined in the in the ordinance um and lastly I just ask you please not to postpone this item because of uh legal matters between private parties this shouldn't impact the city's uh pace of business and can be dealt with between those parties um at a later date thank you for your consideration and uh I support thank you thank you our next caller is Michelle Hughes you have permission to address the commission hi um I'm also in support of this I'm in support of um anything that gets people walking and biking and stuff like that not needing a car is basically the reason that I've lived in an arbor for 20 years I um I was going to college in 1998 and I grew up in um uh in the East Lancing area so I was familiar with the Michigan State campus but then when I came to U ofm I really liked how um it was a lot less sprawling and you could go from places to live to places to do business to places to go to school and I want more people to have that experience so um we should um we should do this I I I've heard it said before like the reason that the reason that a lot of people have um the reason that a lot of people have such fond memories of their college Years is because that's the only time they spent living in a walkable Community um we should let people live in a walkable Community all the time um not just when they're college students uh so yeah TC won this let's do it um oh also you know I I've got another story um I've got a girlfriend that lives up in that area um on Green Road and um she lives in she has no car um and she lives in an apartment building and I think a lot of the people in that apartment building have no cars the bike rack is always just jam-packed full and there's always tons of parking there that is jam-packed empty um and um so yeah I'd like to see more people more more housing for people less housing for cars because that's what people actually want um thank you thank you and uh we are back with caller ending in 675 you can press star six to unmute yourself you do have permission to speak if you would like to try addressing the commission I'm just confirming that the caller is unmuted should have permission to speak um sorry technical problem are you hearing me now yeah we can hear you ah sorry i' unmute twice uh Brad Brit's calling 3030 Lexington so I live about a mile and a half north of Plymouth off Nixon Road um first let me commend all the planning staff uh from everything I've seen um M and others are doing very very thorough work and I can't say enough good things about that so I appreciate that um all of this said I really want to like tc1 I really do we need more affordability we need sustainability density can help us get there but there's some devils in the details and I have three I'd like to touch on two I've already mentioned in a written correspondents so I won't belabor them the first there's a lot of moving parts to make this thing work and particularly Transit well if Transit is key let's get the transit people involved um and we won't get rid of auto transportation so I believe in our system we need the engineering department involved sustainability depends on building codes uh zoning can't address any of those but we have a comprehensive plan let's do that why the rush as was mentioned no projects on Stadium have been done yet to my knowledge none down on the uh near the the briwood area um let's take our time a second Point um I attended a resident meeting a few weeks ago at the library there's a mention in the staff report that uh summary is included as an attachment I didn't see that I hope that others did I my observation was about 3 to one folks opposing this so please pay attention to the residents a third is a personal point my wife and I both have reduced Mobility um we're still able to get around but we're we're not going to be riding bikes ever sadly that's done and 15minute walks are not really realistic either so tc1 has carrots and sticks for drivers let's keep the carrots the get rid of the sticks please I I I wanted to come up with a satire song on from The Music Man to say you got trouble right here you got trouble in an armor City you got a drivethru in your community please it's not that big a deal all right so I thank you for your consideration and I will relinquish byebye thank you uh there are no other callers um Vice chair if I may the last caller mentioned uh a summary of the 1012 Outreach meeting that was referenced in the staff report it is correct that that was um fortunately omitted from the packet we're going to try to correct that issue right now and as we've been sitting here we do have one more caller it is posted online I'm hearing on the website uh for the tc1 project page thank you mix Kelly and planner Leo we have one more caller who wants to speak great we do just one moment uh there are actually two more callers Brian Chambers you have permission to address the commission thank you um I am calling in in support of tc1 for Plymouth Road as well as watch on when you get to it um I support it for all of the reasons other callers have already mentioned but I want to add an additional Dimension um the University of Michigan has uh grown at a compounded growth rate over the past 20 years um just around uh 2% per year uh the student enrollment increased another 2% between 22 and 23 for the start of the fall semester and when I went to the land use um planning session uh for 2050 that the university is now conducting um one of the leads on the Sasaki team uh said that they're also running scenarios of continued growth and and including that 2% um growth metric um compounded year-over-year so um over the past 20 years at 2% compounded growth uh the Anarbor campus students and employment increased by [Music] 35,600 if that growth continues to 2050 um one of the scenarios it's not a commitment by the U it'll increase by another 73,000 on campus that's student enrollment increases of 25,000 and employment of um just over 50,000 so we need density we need walkable City adjacent to Transit adjacent to the university um otherwise we're going to inundate be inundated with traffic congestion so I'm very much in support of this uh even if they grow at only half that rate uh there's still going to be an increase of 32,000 um which is roughly equivalent to the past 20 years so we're going to have continued pressure on home prices in man Arbor um it's still a go-to address that people want um and building out increased density in all of these tc1 areas is vitally important I'd also like to make a plug however for the downtown core we've got two Regional Transit centers AAA and amtr and um I know the comprehensive plan is on going and hopefully will address the downtown core um if it's not part of that assignment I would encourage you to make it one for Regional Transit centers to have two of them um in close proximity to each other you would actually want inv best practices for uh sustainability and so on purposes a population of about 10,000 within a quarter to half mile area um there's other properties being considered for hotels I I'd suggest they they don't count for residential housing um but we need to really increase housing in the downtown core to make a complete Transit oriented development capacity especially with the University's projected uh growth rates we have to change structurally what and how aror operates we can't ignore the University thank you thank you our finer final caller is Eric Zer you have permission to address the commission hello uh this is Eric zacher you pronounce it perfectly thank you very much I'm a neighbor to the north of this uh tc1 resoning I live on Prairie 2435 Prairie if I have to be exact and I live just a Stones Throw north of Plymouth Road here next to an elementary school and I just wanted to talk a little bit about the historic area here this area was historically developed in the 1960s uh planning departments at that time thought Urban revitalization was using Urban freeways and more car traffic and Easy in Easy Out access to strip malls uh this area very much reflects that in the single mile between the freeway and the area by trawood there there's like seven banks with drive-throughs there's three fast foods uh there's all the shopping in the area in single use strip malls with poor bike and pedestrian infrastructure and despite all of that uh this area is still quite walkable a lot of the people that live in the area that are lucky enough to live in homes or apartments or town houses uh use the amenities quite frequently and we don't have everything we want up here we don't have an ice cream parlor anymore uh but we have a lot and the things that we don't have are mixed use areas we don't have uh affordable housing in the area anymore I was lucky enough to buy in when I could afford it I couldn't afford it now I think that's wrong and I think this area of town deserves better uh it's my home and I love being able to B the walk to where I need to go but other people should be able to afford that too I heard another caller earlier say why the rush uh I think about the most recent developments in this Corridor a Big Boy Restaurant was turned into a drive-through Panera Wendy's is turning into a Taco uh an office building at the end of my street is turning into a Credit Union so why the rush I would say we can do better that's why the rush uh people are already redeveloping things we might as well tell them what we want in the area and we know from Community input that we don't want more Banks we don't want more drive-throughs we want more livable area we want a better walkable peaceful area up here more of what we already have uh so I really do encourage you to continue on this path with tc1 uh reone the area don't listen to restrictive covenant between two private parties because that is not the city's business uh we should just rezone as our planning staff has designed this thank you very much thank you all right seeing no other callers or speakers we will close the public hearing I will read the proposed motion the Anarbor City Planning Commission hereby recommends that the mayor and city council approve amendments to the zoning map a part of chapter 55 UniFi development code to designate the zoning classification of parcels in the Plymouth Road area as tc1 and designate certain lengths of Plymouth Road as Transit Corridor Street type as shown on the attached ordinance moved by commissioner survey seconded by commissioner will Mill excuse me uh we're in discussion is there anybody who would like to kick off our discussion commissioner W all right uh well thanks so much for the staff presentation as well as for the comments I think regarding the five houses that the inhouse uh commenter spoke about they are not under consideration for the tc1 zoning is that correct that is correct they their current zoning will remain as it is they are not part of the rezoning I don't have an answer uh for you on what might happen to a retailer who decides to um take advantage of tc1 and transform the uh tenant space that you own because they'd have to meet the criteria of the zoning which I believe would be a two-story if they were doing a sub ative remodel not just a like a facade change but if they were changing square footage or for plan or something that would require the the second story and then that would have a direct impact but that could happen today uh it's not um a factor of tc1 it could happen depending on what the owner of your um your space would want to do with that space so there's not a real clean answer for that but thank you for uh bringing the comment uh for our consideration ation I have two questions uh for you misso uh one is will your slides which are not your staff report be available uh yes they will be I was just waiting for the to actually present them tonight and then tomorrow morning I will post them online thank you so much and then um the I don't think you spoke about the affordable housing premium in your height limits I did not okay did you is there a reason why you did that that you would like to share with us just brevity and complexity okay um that would but it applies to every single zoning District so um there is an exception to the height limits and any project in any zoning District um can increase their height by 30% if they meet one of two criteria their choice one if they are an affordable housing project um and there's a definition for that or if they are a sustainable development and there's a definition for that a sustainable development generally is one that is fully electrified um and has solar panels on the roofs um and so but because it applies to every single zoning District already the the same Graphics applies just add just change the top numbers but the proportionality Remains the Same great thank you so much commissioner Mills um I have a couple of questions first I wanted to just address one other thing which is to be clear that zoning and occupancy are separate so zoning just says kind of what uses how whether that space is rented or owner occupied is is not tied to the zoning itself so that's one of the things to know kind of within our zoning code um the other thing that I think the rest of questions about changes to the map or like things in things out so deed restrictions are how can you help me understand how that isra is not tied to zoning uh zoning views deed restrictions as something that you do outside and separate the zoning is the city regulating the land and a deed restriction um unless the city puts it there but a deed restriction is something that a private property owner puts on their own land or somehow negotiates agrees to put on others and so that is a uh for an owner of that property that I assume they would need to comply with both but the city stays in our lane of zoning and Zoning we do not um enforce seed restrictions we don't um require them generally require them so this would be something from a the property owner perspective it would be above and beyond but we view them as a self um self-created self-imposed and and if they would like to continue to abide by them that is fine so one of the things that's in my mind is like that they have that agreement that they entered into I'm I'm trying to think through if we do reone it does it pose any additional burden or hardship like or is it going to lead to some unintended consequence of because of non-conformities that are created I'm I I can't really say I don't know exactly what the deed res restrictions say um it may make it it may make it very hard for someone with a deed restriction on their property to to then redevelop per the tc1 standards um and so maybe they can't redevelop um as maybe they'll have to address that um we have run across some they're not deed restrictions but we've run across in our workings with tc1 and rezonings some Property Owners um commercial property owners saying I have signed leases where I have promised I would not have such and such a tenant or I promised I would not develop put a building in front of this building and the Planning Commission and City council's response has been okay we'll wait them out then um we'll wait out those leases so again with these deed restrictions I don't know what they exactly say I don't know if there'll be an unattended consequence but it's a private that's a deed restriction that that they agree to and they put on and if they would it can remain there and I think the consequence is they may find it hard hard to redevelop under the tc1 standards can you would it be possible for you to bring up the map because we're talking about so that we can talk the deed restriction make sure that I'm right is linked to the first Martin email saying we don't want to be rezoned um right and if you can point out which Parcels it is that we're talking about and also while you've got East up I think all of my other questions are about East too okay uh yeah give me a second I'm going to pull up just our our our map not the one from the presentation but this has all the layers parcel information zoning so forth I was going to say I've got the zoning map up on my computer too cuz that's yeah but I couldn't 100% figure out which Parcels we were talking about yeah all right so the first one I'm going to call I'm going to focus in I guess on 2000 Commonwealth because it's right next door to I'm going to pull it up and then I'm going to screen share because that's probably what everyone wants right I do talk to myself after 9 o' I don't give myself a time limit I just do it all day long sorry I'll fill this space like and just be vulnerable there if I can um oops nope I got one more thing to click on here okay um if I move it it will go away but uh here is 2000 you see the 2,000 is this visible at all y there's a 2,000 so here it is I can take off the Zoning for a minute and it's this Orange um color that indicates PUD but here's a um uh here it is just with it's got a building there and it's um gray I can even make it um nope wrong button I can make I can do that uh but so here is 2,000 Commonwealth um and I think that this is is the one to the west of it yeah I got the parcels are gone somehow there're no the parcels are there um no I think it's up here maybe it's here yeah yeah it's here there is 2001 Commonwealth so it's Carson's beastro and the bank so part of this is PUD but it's not the entirety of the Pud it's currently Zone PUD but the rest of that corner is all PUD y too and then the other part is the frontage along Plymouth but that is currently zoned according to the zoning map re e right 2001 is owned re 2000 is owned PUD got it so that it is at a tail is better to me than it was in the middle but I'm still I welcome other people's thoughts on that part um kind of how to handle that actually related to this though a question about puds and in our and your encyclopedic knowledge of all of the tc1 rezonings that we've done so far how common is it that we have rezoned puds well it's not super common at all there was one uh PUD in the West Stadium area that we did rezone and there was I think there was one in state and Eisenhower um generally it's not common but I would say this it's not common to do a city initiated resoning either okay but in but I mean there are effective we're not rezoning residential that's one that's part of our like tc1 we have not been rezoning resid so I was just trying to think about like which are the districts that we tend to incl like as eligible for rezoning and so that's what I'm trying to understand here yeah um my encyclopedic knowledge is failing me at this exact moment but the intent of the p tc1 district talks about it is for districts it is for land that is already zoned for commercial or mixed use or non-residential purposes okay and that was our line that we chose to self-impose that this is this is a um renovation or a transformation of our mixed use districts this is not to expand our non-residential footprint in the city um this was just to transform um what we will be getting in these districts in those in what are currently non-resident they could be allowed like residentials allowed in them now in most many of them now we're just not getting it and this is to help us correct all of our mixed juice districts already allow residential right okay great so I'm I'm on the fence of like not excluding them I'll be honest like I would just say keep them in and their deed restriction is going to do their deed restriction thing now that you've got the map though if you can move a little bit to the East and to the north I want to talk about the there's two more things on my list and then I'll stop but one is the the petition to in include property which when I'm actually and I'm glad that you're looking at the zoning map because the inclusion is all currently office or what is what the petitioner or what somebody who wrote To Us wants to include his his currently office but what I found weird is that creates a little donut around a credit union which I don't think that we should have a donut around a credit union and then it leaves just the um the post office kind of hanging out there as the only office in this stretch so I would just say I I am not opposed to extending that especially since they are sharing the parking lot poent that they're already connected at least according to the letter but I'm not comfortable leaning a donut that is not unz that is that has that has not been that is on the corridor that is not part of this so can you think can you talk us through like the process or does that make sense to you too or think about why these were not included yeah um I I'll help you with two parts but I can't help you with a third okay um tell in terms of the process um you have a motion before you that states um words words words um as shown on the attached ordinance and so to include you would make amend that motion to say something along the lines of plus parcel or parcel was street address 2350 Green Road or whatever address you'd like to add or you can amend the mo and or you can amend the Motions to say accept strike line number something something out of the ordinance so that's the process that you would use um in terms of why it wasn't included um we took our um most educated best guess about what the and hearing the feedback from other tc1 petitions about and where the boundaries ultimately landed for those and we tried to apply that experience to this um proposal and it is a proposal and we chose Parcels that front or are somehow connected maybe through a parking lot to Plymouth Road and we didn't go many Parcels deep past the corridor um now there is no necessar necessarily right or wrong answer but this was our the petition that we assembled on behalf of the Planning Commission um and presented and we received feedback from the public hearings uh I didn't mean that I meant public meetings um and some working sessions and um and that's why we did or didn't I think these um Parcels up on Green Road um I think you can work your way back through uh parking they they North on Green Road and I think they they are interconnected but they don't have a direct connection to Plymouth they have a connection to green and that was our logic like I said it's not to say that that is the the only answer that can be arrived the third part which I will just have to turn back to the planning to the Planning Commission as a whole body whatever you re this is your recommendation for rezoning to city council and so you can use that procedure mechanism to add or remove addresses from the ordinance has there been any discussion or any we didn't we got a letter from Oxford about the what's shown in it's in the in the letter in Orange I'm thinking of is the orange Edition um has there been any discussion with the community or the credit union that that it creates the donut around well I have not called the credit union myself and they have not called in okay so again I I welcome others thoughts on that on the on the parcels North on Green Road but personally I don't think we should do it with the donut so um then finally go south on Green Road to Green Court because now I'm confused from the postponement earlier and I didn't necessarily see that in the packet maybe I missed it so similarly can you explain to us the Green Court the rationale for the postponement and how that links to this it's AB budding this but I didn't see anything that was like a formal proposal to be included um perhaps there has been a communication snafu um to my knowledge the planning department uh or myself or the planning manager have not received a letter that said to the effect dear Planning Commission please include us I understand there's been talk um and I wasn't I I missed the first 10 minutes of the meeting was there any any talk so I don't know if there's been a formal request or not formal request um you don't necessarily need a formal request the Planning Commission as a body is free to amend the motion as they see fit I may have misspoke I did state that uh earlier in the meeting um but misso would have the most up-to-date specifics or manager Leonard yeah my understanding is that they uh essentially intend to ask for that parcel to be included they have not we had been striving to get that written request from them uh by this meeting we that has not been received that I've seen to date um it could happen after the Planning Commission before this progresses to city council and I think based on that that was part of the reason for the postponement that if this were to be included in reone to tc1 they might very well then end that PUD petition if for some reason the the city council once they do request again we wanted to raise it um if it's included here or not or if it's included at city council or not that could have an outcome um I think it is important to pause that I would I would suggest that it's this is a really unique circumstance because the city's initiating the rezoning it's frankly relatively easy to add it into that process um that is distinct from what I would never bring to competing rezoning petitions to the Planning Commission on a parcel but um because of this direction from the council and from this being City initiated it seem warranted to raise the possibility for this site when we discussed the Pud a couple weeks ago I don't even know how many whatever um I think that the tc1 makes a whole lot more sense rather than locking into a PUD that that than yeah so I'm supportive of that I'm curious if it if notice wise for the process like if it if it Flags anything else at all in terms of who was mailed postcards and what happens going forward in this because we did mail we did mail that things um well yeah um the plls are on the table so in including the Commonwealth properties from first Martin and excluding the properties on Green from op Oxford to the north and whatever it is to the so um that that was um public hearing notices were sent out to everyone uh within 300 ft with that list attached that exact list attached to it um they are mailed to both property owners and Resident occupant tenants um and that was factual at the time that was uh correct as to what is was proposed here for this public hearing um the city council and their sta staff and the clerks office mails out public hearing notices for public hearings at the city council and if they are not the same as the Planning Commission then par they'll be picked up before picked up or dropped yes okay great so if there's a process to include that then that makes me feel a whole bot more comfortable going both north and south on Green Road and I would strongly I would very much support if there's any other interest in an amendment that would add on the all of the green court stuff but again I don't want to create a donut I would want to rezone I would want to extend tc1 to the entirety of the orange block that we are seeing on the screen right now which I think is all the Pud right or whatever is currently the orange block on the screen um on the E east side of Green Road is the PE yeah and so I know what was before us before was part of it or I think I can't remember anyway the whole thing the whole thing is I think I would be amenable to extending resoning to all of that and similarly going north I'm that just seems sensible to me the then I'm I just have one more question and that is we don't have anything that has been we'd haven't had anything built in tc1 but what are you hearing what is Staff hearing like are there proposals working their way through are people saying we don't like it like here's what's wrong with tc1 and we're not going to build anything like what's it takes a while to get through the process so what's do we think that this is a workable zoning District uh I certainly think it's a workable zoning District we're hearing a lot of calls sort of the I want to double check the standards uh do I have my concept do I have my sketch right we we're getting more of those compared to other districts but the other districts have been around for a lot longer um it's my personal opinion that um it's very much Corridor by Corridor I think the stadium Corridor as an example um there's not a lot of vacancies on Stadium Boulevard um it's pretty strong and strong commercial Corridor so I don't think there's I don't think the reason matter there wasn't much pressure or incentive to redevelop it's doing well it's probably making money for its businesses and land owners um and you need that trigger when things are going well everybody's happy with the status quo and um and I think also we we've had actually more inquiries about those concept I have got a sketch am do I have my standards correct for state and Eisenhower I think there's more vacant land or more undeveloped land in state in Eisenhower um pouth Road the area it's pretty strong there are AR too many vacancies either I would imagine it also would be slow to see development because it's slow now it there's only been a handful of of Redevelopment um proposals under the current zoning designations because it's pretty strong so I think it I think it will take time I I'm just saying this is my gut this is not because I have a whole slew of fact or figures or a crystal ball but you're not hearing we there's something there's some requirement in tc1 that is actually hindering development cuz we are requiring I mean yeah right now they could under current zoning they could do a twostory building they could do a four-story building but they but I'm not hearing the two-story building part I'm hearing a little bit of the lot width um lot withth might be a little difficult and then the the block the the block size especially from some people who are trying to design a very large block and they're saying um I'm going to break myself down into say maybe four or five blocks two or three of them probably can be 250 but I'm left with this piece that's like too big or too small um I think there there's some desire for a little bit of uh flexibility a little bit of averaging but that's what I'm not I'm not hearing much about the two-story requirement um and I'm not hearing of all the development standards what I'm hearing more is um some of the standards people seem to wish that there was an average and not a hard line and that's something that can be talked about in the future okay thank you commissioner dish thank you first I want to say this is an amazing staff report and I thank you very much um the work that staff has been doing on everything related to tc1 the step backs and this has really been beautiful and I want to thank you um also thank you very much um uh neighborhood people who have come to ask us questions so um I want I I want to take a stab at addressing M Lee's questions um and yeah I see you good you're you're I can barely see you over the podium but I thought you stayed so I want to underscore something that Miss Deo just said which is that development along this Corridor is likely to be slow because it is slow now and I want to reaffirm that um the the building that you are in parts of the building itself uh currently if your landlord wanted to sell that building or develop it themselves they could build a 55 foot structure so that's like a four story is right if if they wanted to do that they could already do it so the reason zoning will make parts of that building possible it it'll give an extra twostory two stories probably for parts of that building um and then parts of the parking lot could go as high as 120 ft and so I think sometimes it's an assumption that when we permit greater height we are creating wealth and we are adding value now if if there were a desire to maximize value through greater height like I said 55 ft is already permitted and we're not seeing your landlord selling the building and wanting to develop it in those terms rezoning at tc1 what effect does it have well it does permit greater height but it but it makes some in some ways it makes development more expensive than currently because of the parking restrictions right um it does not allow for the kind of surface parking that's there and so if you were going to have a taller building you are going to need more parking especially if it's mixed use and that means that you are going to have to build parking structured parking either underneath or somehow inside your building and that's expensive so we are adding height which possibly adds wealth but we are then taking some of that wealth back by making the parking more expensive so I don't have a crystal ball I know that that uh building if I'm remembering what right was built in ' 62 I think so from the list of properties and if I'm wrong correct me and if I'm wrong I'm Wrong by a decade it'd be 70 but I think it's 62 so it's not the youngest building in the world but it is working very well it has a number of very vibrant small businesses and so I do not know what the calculus your landlord might be making I don't know what that would be um and so I understand your concerns about what could happen if that if the building that if the structure that you are in were sold and redeveloped the other thing to know is that just as is has happened at the very front edge of Plymouth where the Starbucks and the Apothecare shop are this is something that tc1 makes easier that you can develop in a space without demolishing what's already there there's a lot of parking lot there that if someone wanted to develop uh they could use it without destroying the current mall with all the buildings that are there um it's a little odd it would be a little odd because it's sort of parking between the bank and the and those other shops but nonetheless I'm just trying to run with you all the scenarios that are possible and there's absolutely nothing I can say to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about but my sense too is that Redevelopment that might involve displacing all of those buildings would not happen overnight immediately you know but it's some it's also a discussion that yall could try to have with your landlord but again if that person were interested in developing to a greater height they already could and they haven't made that move so um I'm sorry I'm repeating myself but I want to be clear um okay I'm really glad commissioner Mills asked the questions about the inclusions and the exclusions in terms of the inclusions the the inclusion on green that would create the doughnut if we did it exactly as it were asked for would involve repurposing office space correct am I am I correct in that is it currently zoned office and occupied by office well we want to encourage that so I feel like I'd like to have us include that and again correct me if I'm misunderstanding something but my understanding of tc1 is is that it is a district that we are applying and fixing in place in some parts of the city but can also be done by request so if we have a request at the same time as we are fixing that applying that area um why don't we just incorporate it rather than making somebody go through a cumbersome request process you know somebody who has a a it sounded like from the way Mr Chang was talking about it a sort of um historically very curious and unique PUD but I don't know that we want to just keep it because it's it's historically very interesting and curious why don't we give it an available zoning decision which is uh zoning designation which is what we prefer we don't prefer to have puds when we have a zoning designation that that can accomplish the same purposes so I would be happy with those in clusions from M deo's response about deed uh deed restrictions and stuff it doesn't it doesn't sound like we're hurting anything by resoning to tc1 we may not get anything out of it but it doesn't sound like we are we kind of don't have any business in those deed restrictions and so it doesn't sound like our action affects them and if I am missing something that's more nuanced which is very often the case please add Nuance I always appreciate that commissioner s finally we're here thank you for bringing this um I guess relative to the in out how I kind of maybe filter a little differently is things as asking to be in donut or not it reduces the burden on a property owner relative to requesting resoning so if we do not include it they could still request rezoning to tc1 and create a donut well requiring a lot more front-end process and cost that gets rolled up into the tenants so I'm actually okay with donut because it's less cost directed then to the end user um so in thumbs up how requested uh the out I will read the first two Clauses of the um the deed restriction because they're specific about these two Parcels the owner's land on the east side of the Commonwealth Boulevard shall be rezoned to office except for the first lot off of Plymouth which shall be rezoned to P there's a little bit more and then the other says the only property the owner the only property of the owner to be rezoned on the west side Commonwealth be the first lot which will be rezoned to office so the only thing I read in there that can create sticky points is that the deed restriction requires the owner to Zone these things PUD in office which means we may see these things come back for request to re Zone them from tc1 back into P like so like that's just a condition that we may see that I guess similar to the in if if there's potential for development still within those cool like to get more stuff out of them as they're zoned but it sounds like there's no potential for development if they get rezoned at least on my par learn reading of this thing so I I'm really kind of looking at it and like what is site plan like when are right which is like pre rezoning or not on some of these things to reduce steps in a development process and so that's just kind of my filter um I it helps that there's a couple more steps in this process uh when it goes to city council for all of these uh Property Owners to have further discussions because it does feel like all of these came within the last week um and so in all letters if they were included or excluded at this time conversations can continue so I'm not going to lose sleep over where it lands in either case here um but that would just be kind of my filter of the reading uh and where the opportunities and the hardships lie for each of those properties um but overall I look forward to welcoming hopefully more residents with new development here maybe they be renters or owners because both are part of our community and both are residents commissioner Weatherby so I wasn't here for the previous tc1 and I don't want to make this wicked stick year but um when I look at some of these spaces like all of Commonwealth is there a reason that all of Commonwealth isn't tc1 and then there's um if we go back to the center Central like where the Google building is is there a reason that I'm looking at the map and pointing you can't see what I'm pointing but um you know we already have like where there's office or Park parking and they're ringed by residential or streets is there a reason that they I think you explained that because they connected to the Main Street um but like it it seems like we're leaving little bits of office or that that actually is going to be more confusing moving forward because it's not tc1 but it's like the one building or there are three buildings that aren't but most of them are or everything across the street is tc1 but these are office and it seems like in all of these places there's a pretty distinct cut off which is either residential or the main road that we could kind of instead of having a line it would be more of a blob and and I'm just like I think my preference because I think it gets confusing when it's there's office for one building and then the next building is tc1 and then the building after that is parking or like that that having some sort of more distinct areas it seemed like the east side on green North and South Commonwealth and then the little strip between um hon Parkway and traverwood down to Plymouth that that they're pretty distinct areas that could all be tc1 in my opinion but I don't know if that just makes this more complicated and as we move forward but but I would be very comfortable including more things in the tc1 designation any other comments um oh sorry were you flagging me I missed your subtle Q um commissioner Weiss notice I unmuted myself um it's just a point of a clarification um I had said that the um public meeting summary was uh posted online and that was wrong the frequently asked questions document is on the website the Planning Commission if I have this correct we have since posted the meeting summary to the p pet and it the been refreshed so and I believe you've been emailed a link so to anyone watching if you go use our agenda service you'll see that document as well um and it may or may not have been also while I'm talking published to the website but no matter um first thing tomorrow morning the slide deck and if needed the public meeting summary will be posted to the project website um and the like I said the packet links have already been refreshed thank you are there any other comments for discussion so uh I'm trying to read the table in terms of this inclusion exclusion question it seems like there are a couple proposals on the table maybe a follow-up question to what you were saying commissioner s um my understanding is that what commissioner Mills was proposing would be to include the two Parcels that Oxford has requested on Green Road and also include the parcel that we did not receive a request for so I think that would meet your desires commissioner so to include Oxford's Parcels as a way of making it e making the burden making it less burdensome for them to rezone by including it in the city initiated zoning okay so that um are there any objections to including those three Parcels then and Mr Leo you're confirming that there's no con nothing out of sorts in terms of process and notification to include this third parcel on green that we did not receive a formal request for inclusion right that's the the public hearing and the deliberation process is that you are not bound by what is exactly in front of you you are free to um uh amend the motion any motion great maybe while I'm talking somebody could track down the address for that so that if we when it comes time to do it you oh oh oh can you let me know what that is uh yep uh the address for that um piece up on Green Road is 2400 Green Road okay um and I've got the parcel ID number um do you think I need to read that out loud officially I don't think so okay so I'm going to read the three Street when it comes time the three street addresses yes okay okay and then in terms of Green Court uh is there anybody who wants to discuss further or is opposed to including the property on Green Court commissioner Mills so I just pulled up the UDC again and just want to make sure in our intent statement or our purpose statement it just want to be clear it doesn't list puds it says say this District may replace o r e o l CB1 cb3 whatever it should only replace other zoning designations in unique and rare circumstances when another zoning district is entirely surrounded by the specifically mentioned districts so to your point um commissioner Weatherby like that's what caused me to look this up like what were our stipulations because what we said before was the and then the second the second thing is that all parcel Zone tc1 should be no more than a half a mile from a Transit stop and and on the South Side this those Parcels totally meet that it's right across the street from a parking ride like it's great um I don't know about the Google partial that you're talking about in particular I think so I mean every there's a it's hard to be more than a half a mile from transit stop in an arbor um but I just thought I would bring that up I think that tc1 is the best District that we got for this what is currently a PUD that wants to be a new kind of PUD like I will say that I just want to remind us of the purpose statement that we have and I don't think that this is going to surround it it doesn't make sense to go beyond it maybe this is a rare circumstance in that it is initiated like self or city initiated I don't know I I don't know if staff has any guidance that we were specifically talking about the Pud on the south like yeah yeah so um if if you are interested in extending that for those reasons I would recommend that you add the parcels um again the geography being proposed here was in response to the Council direction we we discussed the geography with the planning commission based on uh um an emphasis on the Plymouth Road Corridor in this in this sense um you know we have had other property for example we've had one other property in the stadium area that was off of the corridor and applying some of the um Transit Centric uh design standards of that seemed less applicable when it was sort of an island parcel in that area of sort of between Maple and stadium that didn't have Frontage on either of those corers I think the other uh setback ordinance that you've already put forth the council will help address some of that so I have frankly less concern about that for these personels um and to some of the other discussion it continues the conversation on them I would however suggest that you omit the alterum property that is being purchased by the University of Michigan and recommend that be own PL okay like right now wouldn't that be a separate motion well either like I would just suggest maybe omitting it or making that recommendation as a rezoning of that PUD because um longterm that is traditionally the the treatment of University own property is Zone PL and so while we're at it maybe that's a cleanup we could do while we're looking at that PUD District or we can ask the university to come before us and request that you could ask them they will not they don't have to I I would need some assist right now I only have one address for this whole four part thing 3520 Green Court so maybe we need to um Define that further so that we could exclude the alterum building um the you the parcel from alter that U ofm is person is that the vacant one no the one south of that okay got it um uh that's you'll have to I think it's 3520 green is the property that they're purchasing okay the four address the four Parcels that make green Court are an unaddressed Green Court and I do have a the partiel ID number ending in 008 and then it includes 3520 3600 and 3550 green cord so of those four one is um partial ID number ending in0 008 and then 1600 and 3550 but it sounds that we will be excluding 3520 in in in that PUD Square it's not 100% a square but in it is the we're talking about the southwest corner that is being excluded now is that right that's correct okay so everything around it that makes sense I'm sorry Planet Leo so um included we are in theing including there are three Parcels no there are five Parcels total that make up this block I see five one four um yep there there are five thank you oh because there's three on the North side we are excluding 3520 Green Court and we are including of adding 3535 we are adding 3600 and the parcel ID ending in 008 maybe I'll just look for give you a minute and then maybe ask for confirmation of that you want me to tell you again or did you were [Music] you um well it sounds to me do you want all of them or just Green Court I I just want the four in Green Court that we are including all right um we are including 3535 Green Court 3550 Green Court and 3600 Green Court court and Green Court parcel ID number 099 23100 d008 so I'm just going to say ending in 008 thank you so much that I have that app yeah are there any other amendments to the motion that I missed commissioner surve maybe just for a point of clarification are we EX including in the rezoning the U ofm property are we including but adding a zoning District to the rezoning package we are the amendment on the table we can amend the amendment the amendment on the table would be to include the four Parcels in that block that are not owned by U ofm and to exclude the U ofm parcel which we assume will be reone to public land at some future date yeah that'd be fine you could you could also add an additional um amendment to also recommend rezoning of 3520 Green Court to public land but we have some other cleanup that we have to do in that regard so I think we could include that I will follow the the the the body's lead but for me that seems out of place with tc1 motion so I would just recommend excluding that address I does that make sense commissioner okay commissioner Mills all this talk of public land makes me wonder about the post office if we can go back up Green Road for just a hot minute because now that is the only office left on Green Road and I don't it's Federal so how does that work well um are they subject to zoning so the federal government is not um and we are we have proposed OS the rezoning of another Federal property in this to tc1 um I'm trying to I I can't speculate of the likelihood of a federal property being made available for redevelopment at a pace relative to the University of Michigan um but I might actually guess that it's more likely I so it's it's ferally owned it could it whatever you Zone they're not subject to however um if you wanted to rezone that to tc1 as is being proposed the EPA laboratory along this Corridor um that would restrict it should that ever change hands I would vote for its inclusion okay so if we can get the address for the for that to um I'll look that one up I would was just said our um habits our long-standing habits have regarding the pl zoning is land owned by the city whe um whether it be a um a city facility like the water treatment plant or Parks um land owned by the county and land owned um by the state in the form of the University of Michigan and land owned by the schools has been Zone pl we don't historically for whatever ever reason uh Zone land that is owned by the federal government and there is some US post offices are some the EPA labs are some we Zone them a traditional zoning District they are not subject to zoning but it is sort of the message that we send on the zoning map and that that's what we we' like the zoning map to be clear about what is subject to zoning and what is not and so even though it's not Zone PL it's the zoning applicability is based on ownership super I'll get that address for you and for the zoning nerds out there like this is like planning law in terms of lower levels of government regulating higher levels of government we don't get to talk about that very much but it's fun it's also like yeah any other amendments to know about before I formally propose these Mr Leonard no ask who brought the chocolate commissioner DH brought the chocolate thank you for the chocolate your off 3,000 thank you so Alexis do you have my understanding is we are I just want to make sure that I am clear adding Oxford properties as requested adding the credit union adding four parcels on Green Court adding the post office and the post office parcel number 0991 14100 d436 also known as 3,000 Green Road doesn't say that but okay um so I'm going to move then formally oh commissioner mels Sor I'm just going back in it's it's been a while it's been a minute since we did like other tc1 all this bench and it's the it's the petitioner asking to be excluded I don't I can't think of this in the past and again particularly if we know if we have in our packet stuff that suggests to us that in order to uphold their think they're going to have to come back and ask to be reasoned it it seems to me like it's a like if they a if they said don't reone me and we know why they're saying this it seems like maybe we should exclude the properties that are that asked to not be included the first Martin properties I understand what you're saying and also it seems like the deed restriction is illegal or I don't know if that's the right word uh you can't have a deed restriction that requires you to Zone something a certain way because it's not up to the property owner to do so right so I so so I don't know it's OB also odd for us to comply with an improper DED true restriction or reciprocal Covenant but because also if they come back to us they can't say I mean if they come back to us to ask for resoning but they literally don't have any control over it so how can they sign a contract saying that they will do it they can only say that they will try yeah I don't okay commissioner S I didn't know if your intention in calling our your intention and calling our attention to that was that you thought we should act on that or you just wanted us to know it I mean I it has consequences in either direction it is all I kind of point out and so it's trying to measure the lesser of the two either of like what our options are um I think this when we have some kind of legal binding additional stuff that we can reference I would be very hesitant relative to removing a request because the plan could be imp planning a drive-thru or something else um it doesn't seem like that's the case and within the Pud or office it would be a special exception which could easily be denied for drive-through specifically um but it does leave a weird extra parcel also to the South um but I think in the end I'm I'm also just measuring it on process and cost and then if we do include it we may add processing cost even if there it's not granted that cost will get rolled up somewhere in a future development of that project um and we know where that cost goes and it's it's to who occupies these properties and so the objective for housing is to maybe reduce some of those costs and hope that it reduces the overall cost of housing um so I mean I I'm again I'm open to both this is not the end table I just kind of raise it more than anything so I'm I'm comfortable in either direction thank you those are good points although it can't be developed into housing as it currently St the deed restriction restricts it from being housing all anyway it restricts it from not being zoned office or beauty and a certain size there's nothing in the de restriction says it can't be housing that's my okay zoned office not used yeah there's zoning and there's use commissioner W uh Miss Doo could you remind me uh didn't we have a petitioner in stadium who requested exclusion wasn't it uh bickmore and Maple Village uh yes and we brickmore um asked to be excluded and but they were included but we included them even though they asked to be excluded yeah and there was also a property I feel like on Callingwood yep that has to be included Y and they were not included okay uh so I move to amend our motion right now it says as last phrase as shown on the attached ordinance I move that we amend that to say as shown on the attached ordinance and the following Parcels 3,000 Green Road 2350 Green Road 2400 Green Road and 2500 2600 Green Road and 3535 Green Court 3550 Green Court 3600 Green Court and the parcel ID ending in 008 which is also on Green Court and currently undeveloped can I get anybody to second that motion seconded by commissioner wh is there a discussion of the amendment mix Kelly would you like us to do a roll call vote on the amendment to the amend to the motion or a Voice vote I think either would be appropriate all right uh we'll do a Voice vote on the amendment to the motion all those in favor say I I all opposed the motion carries so we're back in discussion of the amended motion any further comments all right I believe we're ready for a roll call vote on the amended motion commissioner abens yes commissioner wh yes commissioner Sal yes council member dish yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes commissioner Weatherby yes that carries thank you uh we will give a moment to commissioner Lee to rejoin the body should we take a two-minute break the three minute break okay uh we'll reconvene at 9:55 all right calling us back to order thanks guys we're moving on to section 11 public comment this is a second opportunity for persons to speak up to 3 minutes about any issue that is not listed as a public hearing on this agenda we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission then remote participants so to speak during the public hearing remotely please press star N9 if listening by phone please use the raiseed hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 877 85352 47 and entered meeting ID 9776 6341 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised their hand and using the last three jits of the phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak so when speaking please move to a quiet area mute any background noises so that we can hear you clearly and and for either method please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time um actually um I have a few random comments uh thanks commissioner Lee yeah um so the 3520 Green Road um additions to the tc1 district you know I understand why you did it it's much cleaner um but uh we were on the verge of getting an electrification commitment in this new PUD and now that's off the table so I'm disappointed um and it gets to my issues with tc1 to begin with and the lack of any kind of comprehensive approach to climate on the part of the city um it reminds me on the international level of the Paris climate agreement you know everyone makes these commitments but none of them um are required so everyone ignores them we have an a20 plan but it's clearly failing um for the same reason uh so yeah I mean the whole world is failing at climate so why should we be different well maybe I'm naive but I thought maybe we would be um but now I've pretty much lost hope um I'm not blaming you guys you've got to do what you've got to do regarding uh enforcing the UDC and those are your criteria but something has to happen here um on the um you're not timing me are you giving me unlimited time here oh okay yeah gotch you okay anyway um on sorus on 30 uh yeah just to clarify my comments about the public subsidy um my understanding was that the Brownfield plan was 2.7 million and that 2.6 million of that was for non-environmental costs so I was counting that 2.6 million I was counting um the city's 12E 50% tax abatement which was never Quantified but looking at the tax tables to me I was guessing around 3 million and then the state uh gave them a 1.2 million Grant so I think that comes to like 6.8 million um but I I'm not I could be wrong about the three million that's just my best guess but to commissioner Weiss comment that maybe this should be included in staff reports I agree um for context I mean we keep hearing from developers like the one tonight about all the extra things they're doing on top of the city requirements well we should hear about what extra things the city is doing for them um but we don't see that in the staff report we have you know you depend on amateurs like me to bring you up to date on that we saw that also with the Roberts and brothers development where I don't know how many times U Mr lungren claimed credit for the electrification of the 164 single family homes on that well in fact the city's paying for that through the Brownfield plan um 2.9 Million for Combined for those heat pumps plus uh solar panels on the clubhouse and the um solar uh street lights so that should have been in the staff report so we can call the bluff of some of these developers who are claiming extra credit for things that we the taxpayers are footing the bill for so those are my comments thank you for all your work and for um tolerating my um constant presence here thank you thank you Mr Garber is there anyone that would like to address the commission remotely thank you and for what it's worth thank you for your Civic service anding your engagement moving on to section 12 is there any commission proposed business commissioner W okay I didn't have this when we were talking about the um Research Drive uh in front of me I knew it was in the UDC I just didn't know where it was so I have um potentially two requests I guess I'll start with a request and then you all can um tell me what the result of that request is 5.3.4 re research District subsection B5 lists emissions as a health um consideration when approving site plans that are in that District what does that mean if not the contribution uh to our climate change and then it's repeated in 5.3.5 O RL office and research subsection b.

good evening I'd like to call this meeting to order this Richards roll call please yes good evening president Schulz members of the board let the record show that all five members are present this evening thank you like to make a motion that we approve the agenda second all those in favor I I motion carries 5 Z team building Mr Lon haer do you have dire for people I do and I'm so excited to share them with you tonight uh we're going to do a little team building activity we do this I think it's important when we look at team building our our goal is to make connections that's what we do and if you look that's one of our core values connections and so anytime that we do a team building activity with our leadership team or we ask them to model it on campuses we're trying to make connections with other people because when you have that connections easier for communication it's easier to understand where they're coming from and it builds our team and our builds our camaraderie as a whole so I appreciate your patience as we go through this tonight it's very very exciting and you guys all pass the first test you have a couple pieces of paper that it said do not look under and I did not see anyone looking under that so that was the that was the first thing and so what we're going to do today is we're going to we're going to do a self assessment about leadership called the leadership Compass uh many people have probably already done this before where we going to answer a few questions individually and then we're going to talk as a group we might be getting up we might be moving we might be having some individual conversations about our leadership styles and our leadership uh preferences so the first thing I would like you to do and this is I'm going to give you about I don't know four and a half minutes perhaps I'd like you to complete go ahead and you can look underneath the white sheet now but don't look at the orange one just the white no just the white one you'll notice on the front and the back there are a series of questions or um statements what I'd like you you do is go through take your time check the statements and then you'll see off to the side it says number of checked boxes for instance I'm looking at the one that says North you're just going to Total your number check boxes and write it down so I'm going to ask that you do that and when you're finished if you'd look up and look and try to make eye contact with me then I know when it's safe for us to move on do both sides there are four Compass points go e for those of you guys who are already done let you get started on the next step for those you aren't done keep working we got plenty of time Sher told me I had 25 to half an hour Mr lsen Hauser that is incorrect I'm sorry I have I have 10 minutes and uh we will use them all I wish I had some music it's a little awkwardly silent in here but feel free to whistle and or sing uh president Schultz so if you want to take a look at the side that says approaches to work and style go ahead and find the one that's yours read through those and then just highlight one that you that really strikes a chord with you so you've found the one that is your highest so take a look at it look at that list on approaches to worker style read through those and see if there's one that really strikes a chord you're like I can get that is me that is me maybe there's more than one but highlight one we'll be discussing it for e Mr lsen Heiser is this correct may lose focus on [Music] goals I'm sorry I didn't BR my glasses but hey if everybody would like to return your seats seriously very fun thank you you're you're welcome can I just close it up real quick yes you know I think the important thing as our my group reminded me it's not to look at somebody and try to figure out something but it's truly making that connection and seeing part of yourself and somebody else are helping understand and know where they came from so we can open lines of communication I loved in our group one of our members is like wow I feel like I'm being very vulnerable here that I'm sharing what it is and I think that vulnerability helps build camaraderie helps build teamwork and again helps us I would say focus on the task ahead but as a South I would say focus on the relationships that we build to support each other so thank you for indulging in this um next time next Retreat we can do spirit animals and have a great time with that one okay all right thank you thank you thank you moving on I uh move that we approve the consent agenda all those in favor I I motion carries five to zero information item strategic Plan update 5.1 president Schulz members of the board we're excited this evening to share updates on our Focus goals for this school year you'll have all the people in this table area presenting information to you tonight and I'm really pretty impressed with everything we've done and it's November 1st so we'll start with Dr Lindsay good evening president Schultz members of the board I have the opportunity to start and also be the clicker tonight so hopefully I can multitask here um the first strategic anchor we're going to review is teaching and learning Student Success um focusing specifically on the work that we've done with our instructional Maps um to dat so um instructional Maps um provide pacing of the academic standards and they also support consistency across our schools in terms of when things are taught um throughout the year they're fluid so we routinely maps are U meant to be routinely updated last year if you recall um our district coaches and some teachers work to create um initial drafts of the core content areas with math and language arts um science and social studies and this year um our action step is to develop and Implement um instructional Maths for all our specials areas and elective courses so we started that work this fall and we started with Elementary um so in early September we had our instructional coaches and a representative from each of our um special areas within Elementary including General music band Orchestra art PE and media meet together here in this room and they began to flesh out instructional maps for each content area so um the coaches were paired up with um representatives from each of those content areas and then those teachers went back to their plc's and then they shared the work that had been done and received feedback from them and then they continued to flush them out um December they're all coming back here again with our instructional coaches and this is also being facilitated um by Mary Davis our director of professional development um and they're coming back here again to um incorporate the revisions that they made and um I don't want to say finalized because they're never really finalized but get them to a place where we're ready to share out within with all the teachers within the district so um by January that will happen they'll be shared and then we're going to start the process again with um our secondary schools for electives in secondary all right president Schultz members of the board uh Focus 1 point on 1.3 providing guidance and support for College and Career Readiness we've had an opportunity to partner with the ASU Helios decision Center for educational excellence in their personalized admission project project uh this was started in 2021 with Phoenix Union High School District and now consists of more than 14 districts across the state including ch and US students are proactively accepted into ASU U OFA and NAU uh who meet the requirements for admission uh they receive a letter of acceptance from all three of those universities um based on eligibility um and allows the family to and student to make the decision to accept or not so rather than the student having to go out and apply to the college ASU U OFA and Ne basically say you have done everything you need in order to uh attend our University we've already accepted you um and um the goal being to identify students that may not traditionally go to college but have everything that they need in order to go to college so those letters went out to our seniors last month and then uh sophomores and juniors will also receive a letter basically saying here's if you're on track to be accepted or here's what you need to do in order to be accepted so it's great program and we're excited to be a part of it can I ask do we have like an idea of what percentage of our high school seniors meet these requirements if not that's fine I'm just I'm just curious seeing as I taught seniors I think that so board member Wade we can get that and put it in status yeah great question so one of one of our goal goals is to increase information for parents as well about the FAFSA and so the financial aid that um we ask parents to uh complete we think it's a very very important project for them to be able to complete that when their kids are preparing to go to college and so this year um with the help of uh Dena Morgan and her group we have added more nights and we're trying to track numbers of people who attend so we're asking people to sign up ahead of time and then we'll know who comes in and so we had one in October and that's where we had our 36 parents and five students attended the fast for night we're planning two uh per site one uh each in the spring and one in the fall and the whole goal is to get this awareness out and to help people when they're going uh to to complete the FASA it's really about knowledge and it's knowledge about supporting parents because if your kid is ready now that they are might be accepted to ASU U OFA or NAU already off the bat what's that next step get that fast foood done so they know if they're eligible for financial aid and grants and so how can we help and support parents and so we'll have those labs and those nights available run by our College and Career Specialists additionally they've added lunch and learn webinars that they promote where if a parent wants to get on during lunch on Fridays and um it's not every Friday but certain Fridays where they can also help explain what's happening I know our next lunch and learns are going to be um in December and so the whole goal once again is to increase commity communication increase knowledge help support parents because that financial aid is out there and it's available and so help them complete that fast so that they can uh be prepared for that all right um additionally with 1.3 and providing guidance and support for College and Career Readiness uh the State Board of Education for Arizona has approved uh four different seals that students can earn as um as they go through high School 9th through 12th grade and graduate with that seal on their diploma and those are the Seal of biliteracy uh the Seal of personal finance Civics literacy and arts proficiency historically as a district we've done a lot with the Seal of biliteracy um the requirements there basically our students are already engaged in those requirements going through our world language programs and using the stamp test personal finance Civics literacy and arts proficiency haven't been as widely used by our students uh so Mary Davis has been working with her coach team and secondary administrators to start to build some more awareness around those seals and and start helping students to identify what they can do in order to earn those seals president Schultz board members uh with our CTE programs one of our focuses for uh our strategic uh goal 1.3 on the uh guidance and support for College and Career Readiness is really increasing the rigor of our CTE programs and the outcomes of those those programs so um currently all of our programs are uh offering dual en well most of our programs are offering dual enrollment all of our programs are offering an industry credential or multiple industry credentials uh and so those industry credentials are really what tells a business that our students have completed a program and are prepared to do and entry level work in their in their industry um so you can see here the list of the different industry uh credentials that are offered in each of the programs on our next page is how we're doing in in attainment of those so um if we look at industry credentials over the last few years uh in 1819 we had 82 students uh who graduated in that year uh receive a credential in 1920 that we we dropped to six and primarily because industry was not ready to to do industry credentials uh remotely and so there was very few uh credentials that we could get during the co era the next year we jumped to 126 in 2122 we had 384 seniors graduate with a credential and last year we had 460 seniors graduate with a credential thank you for sharing this these you know we get a lot of data and information it looks just like numbers but this is lifechanging for these students that have that ability it gets that ball rolling and that motivation and and um helps them to keep moving forward it it doesn't just stop so this is great thank you well done to everybody thank you that's primarily due to the the um efforts and the uh professionalism of our teachers so yes can I can I throw something in there real quick Mr Pearson has done a wonderful job if you look at that comprehensiveness of our CT programs and the offerings that we have with our students this is fantastic this is a great job and so I want to publicly thank Craig for his leadership in that and then our teachers there's an investment in there so to be a CTE teacher you also have to be a part of a ctso you have to do extra out of school opportunities for them to help grow these students to reach these credentials and when we talk school to work and career Readiness this is a direct effect and what we're having a direct impact on our community because of what's happening within our CTE programs and it's fantastic so so miss Anderson thank you for pointing that out but well done yes and i' I'd like to say that I love seeing this and and the opportunity for kids to be able to participate in CT because not all kids want to go to you know regular University and and would prefer the technical um side of it but now as far as their credentials is that um through the district or through evit all those credentials are offered here at the district um so RCT RCT Department funds all of those for the students so no students are paying for their their certification it's all paid for through the district okay whether they go to evit or here those 460 credentials are students that completed a satellite program they're they're not inclusive of students that went to evid and completed a program there okay I'd love to know what the if we can include the kids that went to evid as well I I I can definitely get that information and we can put that in status that' be wonderful thank you moving on to a focus on 1.5 supporting a collaborative culture using data and research based practices uh Mary Davis and I have had the opportunity this year to partner and work with our leadership uh at both the elementary and secondary level to look at our uh professional Learning Community practices and processes uh really and you and leverage uh the adoption of our new assessment platform DNA uh to to really start looking at how we are approaching kids um later on I'm going to share with you our uh report or letter grades we have some amazing schools in our district uh the PLC process is a way for us to continue to keep that uh level of of performance going on in our schools so in July um we met with all of our leadership and reviewed our state achievement data and then really looked at what a um where they felt they are in terms of their performance as a school using something uh put together by Doug Greaves called the leadership and learning Matrix then in August we had our DNA training that was 4 days two days with principles um and site and District leadership and then two days with all of our District coaches and site instructional support and two teachers from each of our secondary sites to basically be the site trainers on uh using DNA with the sites and then September uh we went into with our leadership what's some of the research on highly performing schools which really boils down to professional learning communities and collaborative uh work that teachers do and then looked at those four questions of a PLC what do we want students to know and be able to to do how will we know that uh what to what will we do if they don't know that and what do we do if for those that already do know it um and then additionally we had our first benchmarks completed and so uh going out to all of our third through eth grade campuses and meeting with our our principles to really start looking at DNA and the reports that we get out of DNA um if you're not familiar DNA stands for data and assessment and it's really the data side of DNA where we have a lot of power at our fingertips uh the reports that we get are amazing um and allow us to really dive down into student learning and then this past October uh we went into the big picture of the PLC process what does that look like um for a site and how can they start looking at that and then we started diving into that first question which is what do we want students to know and be able to do and the process that we we t talked about with principles was unwrapping standards which basically takes a state standard identify the nouns and the verbs and then they really break that down into as we look that if you look at State Standards they're very dense and so pulling them apart and really looking at where what each of those parts needs to HP what needs to happen with each of those parts and where that level of rigor needs to be and then ultimately for the whole standard where do we need to be assessing kids so moving forward we'll move into common formative assessment and and then look at um instructional strategies for intervention and a differentiation all right moving on into strategic anchor 2 um the special education department when looking at the Strategic plan took some time to really look at the areas that they wanted to focus on and one that we ident identified was um 2.2 and that was being creating more of a comprehensive professional growth plan for all employees we felt we had done a really good job with our certified staff and providing professional development that was relevant to their positions but our pair Professionals in the classroom had really struggled because we weren't really providing them any type of comprehensive PD that was relevant to their day-to-day activities with students and so Emily Harrison and Rachel kpek two of my instructional Specialists worked um a little bit during the summer and really diligently at the beginning of the year to put together a consistent PD calendar for our pair of professionals um the first one be was on July 20th and that was districtwide every pair of professional in the district attended that and then on August 2nd they put together another one that was just for preschool and Elementary because we recognized that the pair professionals at the secondary were a little bit different than the elementary and we didn't want to do that canned PD approach where they weren't getting what was relevant to them and so they did two separate ones one for high school and middle school and then one for the preschool and Elementary um we have trained over a 100 Pair of professionals through these trainings um multiple times and we will continue to do so the feedback that we've received back is amazing they are super appreciative of the opportunity to come in to receive this PD that is relevant to their day-to-day activity and we're actually able to see them take what they're learning in those PDS and Implement them in the classroom with our students so it's been really effective uh shaa is that in this the training began this year this school year or you had been doing it prior years ago we had a pair professional PD um and as the Department's grown and with all of the things that we've endured over the last 5 years it kind of fell to the wayside it wasn't our primary focus and my team just felt that this year it was an area we wanted to get back back to our PA professionals play a huge role in our classrooms and we felt that it was only um fair and super important to provide them the opportunity to grow within their profession as well and so wanted to Value them the way that we do our certified staff excellent and it would be good to see um be able to track retention rates that go along with this as well not even just staff but even student because they're feeling one feels like they're able to do their job well and the other feels like they're getting the services they need well done thank you absolutely thank you and then also continue on for the same uh Focus area for the highly effective Personnel uh one of the needs we found was that our uh Security Department our security team were in need of some standardization and so we developed some District standards uh for the security team that we have employed at the secondary level uh we implemented annual professional development sessions for them we brought the whole team together in uh before school started and then we sat down and we we we carved out a plan uh to give them annual trainings uh so security specific they were trained on uh use of AED CPR first aid uh drug overdose response um crowd management deescalation security Basics along with that a security manual uh was was created and implemented with guidelines and job standards and then uh we're we're implementing this year as well ongoing professional development sessions with them based on feedback from both the security team uh and their supervisors and so Mr Dolan is going to assist and we're going to bring the security team in on early release days November and December and then again in semester two to cover some of the areas that they're seeking some improvement on and then we've also standardized uniform standard across the board for all secondary sites so the security guards will be in a visible brightly colored security gear so they're easy to spot okay building on the same exact um Focus also another action step is to provide targeted training and PD for administrators to ensure inator reliability with the Danielson evaluation instrument so if you recall last year was our first year of our new teacher evaluation tool that is based on Charlotte danielson's framework for teaching um so this is obviously our second year of implementation and what we're really working on now is the in rator reliability and we do that through calibration so um just to kind of explain inator reliability um it's the consistency between the performance levels assigned by evaluators resulting from the process of coming to consensus on collecting evidence and then assigning that evidence to specific components within the Danielson framework for teaching and then assigning a performance level so if we go into the same classroom are we seeing the same things and are we um aligning it to the right aspects of Danielson and then then are we consistent with how we would um assign a performance level so in order to do that um in August all of our administrators went through a training with a consultant from the Danielson group we were all here in this room and we did some review on the framework and then we spent some time in a whole group and then we went out to our sites on the 16th and 17th in small groups um and they began to practice so um we are super grateful some teachers said you can come into my room in practice and the intent was was not for us to evaluate that teacher but really our purposes of professional development so a small team would go into a classroom they would observe and collect evidence we'd come back we would um and this was facilitated by a trainer um we would calibrate um based on the the framework and what we saw and a sign of like a performance level if we were going to be evaluating that teacher um and then we're repeating the process throughout the course of the year and the schools are in the same groups consistently through the year so it's also building culture among them and they're talking about you know just um things that come up and you know what should be assigned where so we're we're it's job embedded PD for them and it's been really valuable also part of uh the focus area is that we've re-engaged the Higley Leadership Academy for this year uh so Higley Leadership Academy just quick backround round was started in 2014 uh and it served as a uh principal preparation program essentially seeking to uh look for building uh site leaders um went back through last year when we pulled all past participants and then we surveyed them about what worked what didn't and how can we reinvigorate the program so this year it's been brought back it's been brought back as a program that seeks to build leadership not just build a a position but so it's open to anybody not just somebody who's aspiring to be a building leader um we we began the session in October we have 42 participants covers topics such as Finance Human Resources School District Operations law policy and governance U policy Rel or public relations marketing um and then leadership development and so it's it's back in effect it got off to a good start um the the the feedback we received from past participants was really good and one of the highlights of it this year is that the sessions are now led by prior participants who have been part of the program in the past so it's it's developed into leader Le program by people who have already participated in the program continuing on I'm sorry real quick before we move on so you said it's open to anybody that's employees or anybody outside the district like Community me no it's for employees only perfect thank you so next keeping with strategic anchor 2 we are starting our process of finding training and development for our classified employees this coming November actually next week we will have our first customer service training for our classified employees this group will consist mostly of our office managers and um those who are forward- facing to the public and we'll invite those folks we have already invited them to come join us for a customer service training this is just one example of what we'll be doing in the future as well moving on to strategic anchor 3 another area that we feel is especially important in special education is communication and community relations um we decided to get our story out there more and we developed an Instagram which you can see the symbol up there to follow us and it's an opportunity for us to to highlight our teachers and students and all the positive things that they're doing um I do not manage that Kristen Nash does because she is my social media Guru um but she's able to put a lot of stuff up there and families are really liking the opportunity to see the successes of their students in that public forum the other thing that we've done um is continue our special education parent University this is something that we started last year and was an opportunity for us to come together with our special education parents and present on topics that are relevant to them and this year our first topic is what is special education that was on September 13th we had a really good attendance at that and that was an opportunity for us to explain kind of what special education does what the purpose of special education is and what it is not and then also speak with families about what some of the other options are out there for supports for their student our next training is scheduled for November 29th and you can see some of the possible top topics but we've actually narrowed this down we are going to have someone come in from vocational rehab to speak with our families about options that are available postsecondary for kids after they leave High School what is available for supports and services out in the community as far as work and independent living goes we're also going to be bringing in DDD and prets as part of that presentation just to ensure that our families are better prepared when they do graduate on what that next step is for their special education student so it's been very very successful with a lot of really positive feedback Mrs Miller I believe Mrs Richards you said that this was also attended by people outside of the district that you had some people because they were so good it was so um our last um university in September we had two parents from outside the district they were from Chandler that actually came to listen to our presentation because they had heard about what it was and they were excited for that opportunity and felt that even though they weren't in our district that the topic was relevant so that's great has have any other districts reached out to you or anything since or I wonder if those parents went back to Chandler and said we need this you know in Chandler not yet okay I'm sure it's coming it sounds like a great program thank you and I just want to add it it was great and and I've shared before that I wish I had it when my kids were younger um and even from the last one I attended it helped me as far as my daughter going off to college so great thank you great I sorry M Miller one question um these parent universities are they by age or grade level or does it is it just um it really depends on the topic so for example the September 13th topic was relevant to anyone whether you have a student in special ed whether you think you may have a student that would qualify for special ed or if you're a parent who was recently evaluated and your student did didn't qualify and you don't understand why so that really covered the the all age levels our next one is going to be geared more towards that post-secondary so that middle school high school age um we will be advertising it as such but also saying if you want to get a jump on things or you have questions on what do I need to prepare for what do I need to do beforehand anybody can come but it will be geared more towards that postsecondary I'm also asking um that some of our high school Middle School teachers and school psychologists attend as well because I think a lot of parents that can attend are still going to need this information and so I think it's super important for my staff to understand that so that they can relay that in IEP meetings as well so we're kind of trying to get the information out to parents in a multitude of ways okay all right thank you it's good to know that it is organized somewhat by grade level because you go to the one and your kids in elementary school goal and then the emotions change and Things become very different and very real as they get to the secondary level so it's great that you're not just trying to Encompass it all in one they go to one they think they know we get we think they we think we get everything and then we're like holy cow it's a whole new kid we spend quite a bit of time after the the presentation is over and make sure that we allow enough time for those parents to have that one-on-one time as well to ask those individual questions um we also provide an opportunity for parents to leave their questions and then call them and have that one-on-one conversation so that they're given the amount of time that they need and they don't feel pushed off or like the time was not well spent okay as we continue to focus on 3.2 it's been a big deal this year to Market our district we promote the district um our schools and all the great things that are going on this in turn attracts students employees businesses and Community Partners I want to shout out to our current team of three PR who have really I when I'm on looking at whether it's X or Twitter Facebook or Instagram I see more and more post and sometimes I see things and I'm like I didn't even know that you know so they're running in front of it and they're really working to celebrate employees that includes certified and classified staff students specifically in their achievements school events and campus and student life in general things that happen here at the district office and then when cabinet and the board goes to visit schools we try to highlight that as well so tonight you approved Jessica Batista who will be our new marketing and PR director she is going to start on November 13th um she's joining us from Queen Creek so we're super excited in addition Mark konis will be our multimedia specialist and he will take over a lot of those duties that Curtis did so our team of three is going to be a team of five so really really good things going on um and I can't say enough about this district and our teachers and our parents everybody so miss Richards um I forgive me if you've already stated this will will we um be receiving analytics or anything on on I'm sorry we will we be receiving any data or analytics on the social media sites the hits which ones were popular I think that that'll be really important data for us to have moving forward because we've never had this um laser focus to this degree so yes we can get that in connection we had our business partners breakfast and this room was full of Community Partners and it's like every day I think we meet somebody new and they want to come join us uh I met the girl that works with the coyotes Arizona Coyotes and she was excited to potentially be a community partner our next breakfast will be on February 27th 2024 if you can believe it's going to be 2024 so we're excited about that and if people watch this are out here and they know businesses that would like to join us please let us know and then uh finally for strategic anchor 4 uh the next uh few slides will be focusing on 4.3 to ensure districts are safe secure wellmaintained and have the appropriate resources to ensure Student Success so some of the main things we want to highlight for you today um is is the installation and the deployment of our new security cameras uh so we were fortunate to have that approved a couple meetings back and then we've already have uh begun the process you can see a couple of these pictures just kind of give an example uh of of the change that's immediately received when the cameras were installed so that's a before and after shot from the same camera uh vantage point with the old camera and the new camera uh next slide just provides similar uh situation um old camera and new camera so you can see it's it's it's uh the clarity is much improved and we know the technology advances rapidly so it's very important that we stay uh in tune with that and this is going to help us to be uh ensure our campus buildings are are are more secure um better monitored and then not only does it have a better Clarity but it also has better analytics and the ability to to utilize them as as a safety tool um the next one continuing with the same area um we deployed this year uh formal visitor management system so we launched in July of 203 and this was as of last week we logged 12,705 uh visitor uh signin to our campuses around the school district so um that's another important piece it keeps that archive we have access to that whenever we need um all staff uh when they visit a campus are logged in for building access and then all visitors are screened and provided a visitor badge when they when they come to a campus um we began by initial training for the sites and then we let it uh start up and then we surveyed all the campuses to see their needs created the needs assessment as a result um overall favorable reception to the process um staff were able to rate the tool rated it at 4.3 seven out of five on a ease of use and then a 4.23 out of five on the increase of the feeling of campus safety uh from that the assessments we created a needs uh needs assessment created FAQs and then we just stay in tune with how we can support um with both the the process in the hardware and working with uh it and Facilities to make sure that we maintain a standard for visitor management we also knew this year we've discussed prior um we've developed and implemented the standard response protocol um Al all all all rooms uh in the school district I have uh a laminated version of this poster uh with the with the protocol there's been extensive training across the board all staff students every department has received direct training as a result um and then in addition to the the site the room posters um every s staff member was given uh a smaller version to have as part of their um their daily uh setup in their classrooms and then continu training is ongoing and then we're using this information to still build Upon Our protocols and our communication so um favorable received um it was something that we're really a need of standardizing this process across the board so we have common language um so our students that go from preschool to elementary school to Middle School to high school um have the same process and they learn all the all the way through uh staff members that rotate between campuses have the same expectation substitutes visitors Etc uh it keeps that process standardized so very important for school safety protocols and then finally the last thing I wanted to highlight for the uh start of this year is uh beginning this past summer we refreshed our 2-way radio uh infrastructure across the district so we worked with a vendor we assessed our needs we're able to then update the equipment that we use with forward thinking because it's uh we were on an analog system before now we have a dual system that's analog digital capable we still had enough analog radios that were um didn't make any sense to dispose of them because they're still usable but that someday they'll become Obsolete and when they do we're we're prepared to make that switch so the inventory that we have now works on both analog and digital but when it's time to refresh again the the most recent update will still be in use and then we'll be able to add to that so is cost effective measure to to merge existing usable equipment during the refresh also gave us a better understanding of our timelines uh increase the the use the clarity um and then just the potential to be able to communicate better uh in in emergencies as well as just regular day-to-day operations and so it's used across all campuses all Sites all departments is something that's very important so I just want to say thank you for the cameras at the district office um and I want to find out how um how long the recording is and how long do we hold on to that sure um I you I you don't have to answer me now but I don't know if you have the information and then also when we first discussed um the cameras I had asked if they would be open to a foyer request did you find out it is open to a request but then there's also limitations based on purpose so it's really relative to the specific instance so so like let's say there's a a fight uh students inv involved in a fight and the parent would like to get a recording of the in and yeah there's potential to view the recordings as part of what fura allows for we don't necessarily are able to like send out the video footage but there there are opportunities when footage can be inspected okay um but it's it's really relative to a specific instance so it depends on the situation as far as the the capacity and and the storage I'd have to get back to you on specifics it's also relative on how much is recorded and when and you know and the the settings that's internal about the um drawn a blank on the term but the it's like the 1080p the resolution the higher the resolution the higher the file size is the longer it archives the smaller it is so it it depends on that as well so got it okay thank you yeah president Schultz um Mr Marcus Burkshire or if you're ready to say we're ready to move on I think I'm jumping jump being around I wasn't sure if we were if that was it but thank you very much I um as a a north than I love the action um side of you're welcome I brought it back I appreciate your your team building so I love the action and all the work that everyone's doing and um I Echo what Mr lotson Heiser said about Mr Pearson and the CTE program always see such great things and the good things you're doing and everybody's doing with all the different programs and security and Leadership and everything so thank you very much anyone else have anything else okay uh moving on to 5.2 School letter grades this is a great report so there was a little North coming out over here I apologize but Marcus Burkshire has an exciting update for you this evening letter grades and District letter grades have been released he's going to give you a brief overview and then he'll come back in December with more data and of course bragging and comparing us to other districts good evening president Schultz members of the board um as Miss Richard said uh letter grades were released on Friday afternoon around 5:00 p.m.

[Music] welcome to week four or five for the Super Smash bre tournament today we have varsity and JV playing uh it looks like Varsity is placing playing I can't pronounce this high school's name is there any way you can do it what uh that one right there I want to say Brean but I don't know that's Helman all right and JV is currently going against black forward so the opening map is small Battlefield it's just like the normal Battlefield differences they got rid of the uh Middle High platform I can't think of a lot of words right now yeah Hey listen struggling with English today yes listen I have English class and it wasn't too great so else doesn't help by by the way uh it's week four all right Edie I don't know why I was thinking it was like week six or something that has been that long I don't know looks like they're getting ready to hop in as you can see you see the coach Mr Brooks and the team down there it looks like we have Tristan playing or trzy which players call him yeah trzy he plays a LC and he plays a pretty mean little MC but the opponent's Sonic so it's pretty hard so oh he used a yo he's yell oh and he did it like he going right at it that's yeah Sonic's a pretty F fast Critter that's why I don't like to play him he just oh yeah he can't really recover just ledge trapped him I don't know is that what it's called yeah ledge trapping is make sure they can't get back on stage yeah oh well they're oh never mind yeah sound like a pretty lightweight character so I don't know what's going to go on a lot he's a lightweight Med no he's a lightweight look at that smaller frame I thought I thought it was at least a medium frame no why would it be a medium weight but that fast doesn't make any sense Fair Point never mind but it does look like trist getting two up smashes off so so what are the arrows for uh for a little mac above oh so that's his like so just like Cloud he has a meter and when he fills it up he gets a KO punch that usually should kill lightweights around 30 to 40% medium weights maybe 50 to 60 and heavy weights definitely at 80 or 100 but okay he's pairing a lot of these moves so he's not getting damaged by it but he's definitely missing but he's not doing damage so how do you fill it though filling it uh you can do damage and you can take damage or it fills up over time but doing damage is the best way to get it taking damage is the best and waiting a long time is going to be a long time but it does look he gets the opponent stock down now he could no he'd have to get him you said 20 right yep 20 which is not too hard with a little mac all you needs like probably a smash or or at least a down smash no any kind of Smash really yeah any kind of smash or Perry pretty much all he has to do is just hit him once no not once oh does he get an up Smash If he uses it right oh but he misses ah dang it yeah not the worst thing that happened in the world he tries to get the neutral B missed the what I'm so confused by I got get out of his Parry I didn't know that was even possible I didn't even know that was even possible either yeah huh he does finest recover oh yeah little Mech has the worst recovery in the game that's why seriously TR yeah absolutely he is just a human he is legitly just a boxing guy it's like putting Logan Paul on the stage and be like all right you're going to fight if you fall off go ahead and try to jump back on so that's the main reason why you don't want to play Little Mac off stage but some people can do it really well it's why Tristan doesn't really want to go off stage and I don't blame him at all so oh does look like the Sonic finds a back air does not manage to kill Tristan but definitely try slightly D to kill yeah sad now just has to watch it though yep I think Tristan just get it one dash attack should do it I guess not charge it but so who's all playing tonight uh for Varsity it is going to be me and M as and Travis and Lucas and not Lucas I'm sorry Lucas is actually subbed out for tonight and let me get this from the beginning sorry there's Tristan me uh Noah and Jaden so who else playing varsity tonight yeah s's a very high percentage so it's really risky Tristan managed to find that Revenge stock he could uh yeah he donic up a little bit and get his K his KO he could end it yeah but it's also really risky too yeah but you can also like go in there and purposely take damage but Little Mac is a medium slwe lightweight character it's kind of risky yeah no I'm sorry he's actually due to recent studies he's actually heavyweight I believe so yeah from the Smash Wiki he's heavyweight huh did not know that yeah Smash Wiki is constantly changing so huh tomorrow you could be mediumweight and then the next day lightweight oh so just depends on the day essentially or who's going against yeah see uh but Tristan has to find some pretty big damaging moves just like that but otherwise hopefully he can get pretty cheesy kill against his Sonic does manage to find it now he can kill with a KO punch but sadly wastes it right away dang it yeah which we were trying to train him a little bit not to instantly use his KO punch to scare the opponent but it doesn't seem like fully understood it or he did so is it just to up smash to activate it or no it's actually neutral B so oh he missed the up that's kind of sad all right what is neutral neutral B yeah it's fine neutral B is uh when he held his fist back like he was getting ready for a big old punch yeah and he was charging up and his fist is growing red that was his neutral B but normally neutral be is like special moves like uh for Samus it's like a big charge plasma shot or for Isabelle it's a pocket so it's like looks looks like Jaden's playing I just said Kaden that's fine Jaden Kaden just change a k for a j and it works yeah but there really a no new map info about small Battlefield looks like he's going Isabelle I think Isabel can actually a pretty good counter get Sonic cuz Place one little land mine and it's yeah and he has um Sonic has to die SD twice absolutely okay and then they have both t taon or Dash so there is the first stock and the second there's taunt and it looks like he's ready to go it looks like Jaden tries to go us for the fishing hook does not find it Sonic Rockets him though yeah that is going to be Jaden's biggest friend in this matchup right now uh because Sonic can't do enough damage to really destroy it unless he does a move like that but then he misses these are these um both Sonic and uh what's her name Isabelle isab they're both lightweights aren't they mm so but the question is who's lighter weight uh doesn't really matter I know lightweights a lightweight class you can get even smaller feather weight oh he gets him with gets Sonic with the fishing hook yeah also gets him with the rocket so yeah Jay can get pretty nasty with that fishing hook you think he was and the land mine too yeah you think he was a middle-aged Dad how well he cast it oh he does not find kill he doesn't kill him though oh this should kill yeah yeah okay I was about to say that but it should kill him nothing the opponent could really do against it besides hopefully trying to air Dodge out of it he just grabbed him off the ledge so I mean what else could you do you just got snatched off the ledge so it's really nothing else you could do so close to near Halloween too so close that was yesterday yeah see like I said Sally was yesterday oh find to get candy I didn't go trick-or trading you didn't go trick or- trading what no cuz I always somehow managed to get end up getting candy for my sisters all righty we should probably get to sponsored yep do you want to read the first one you we'll meet to I you do it yeah because I'll probably Butch all of them uh before we hop in the match again Adam Wells thank you for our sponsor Adam Wells Internet TV and your local service provider with gig Speed Internet TV telephone service and your business and residential customers and out in wellis County Butch that up a little bit but I the next one win we are in the middle yeah Jen does get medium damage out Diddy Kong is going to find some way to get over it so is Diddy Kon a middle weight or also lightweight he's also lightweight yep what huh yeah Diddy Kong has a banana which could stun him which could Le for some uh zero death combos which that's like at 0% all the way to death oh oh oh no but it is pretty CH difficult to pull off and Jaden knows how to avoid it so okay but if you get someone like like me in there and they actually do manage to pull it off I don't think I will now Jaden really just has to do was hold on to that banana and he can't do he to death oh cuz he can't he can't Chuck it out can he no he cannot get it out he can only have one out mhm and that that considers the game considers it to be out so he won't be able to put put another one out okay okay two taunt which is get the rules but I don't think people really care about the taunts nowadays yeah that Don That Donkey Kong AI fought yeah Donkey Kong AI are pretty hard to but Jaden's just trying to Zone him out which he does find the rocket doing really good yeah it's like nothing he's just not letting him touch the stage yeah that's actually a really great shot yeah if you can't touch the stage you can't get your jump back which means you can't jump into your next attack yeah so no Isabelle's from Animal Crossing industry yeah but Isabelle stared as I believe a neutral character which means she was automatically with a game not a DLC like some other characters and then sh oh my go yeah don't worry all of us have a speech impediment here and there my God I can't talk none of um she had a crossover with doom didn't she uh no or no that was it was some weird April Fool stuff that happened oh because uh the new Animal Crossing and doom came out around the same that time so but anyways back to the match Isabelle sadly loses their first stock but does get the Diddy down to as well Tri to pocket it does not find the pocket so if she Pockets it does that cons does the game still yeah the game still considers it's gone it's on the field but it's not on the field okay so it's she has it but he can't place it down again cuz she okay cuz she pocketed yep yes but it just looked like Isabelle found the cheesy kill why is it so hard to talk today I don't know I felt that too but I still chump through it it's just not my day today at least today is your day so yeah look like either one of them trying to wear down time or they just don't want to approach each other which is good for Jaden just not good for that DK didy Kong Diddy Kong yeah yep cuz of he has one stock and time out is not the best yeah no he doesn't have banana which is kind of risky shows what's in the pocket right over I did not notice that until huh that's neat get turn up don't get calm sorry if we're really boring today it's just very un uninteresting match really it's not like someone's popping off a crazy combo by by the way you going to three stock somebody today oh absolutely not the wish is you never know you never know but the wish is the wish is to three stock somebody yep nearly kills him with fishing hook don't know if he's trying to get another fishing hook kill but I guess it works but he gets a rocket kill he does get the kill yeah he does get the kill eventually and all it took is one stock yep sorry for yawning all right it's time for the second sponsor do you want to read that one as well as Community Foundation it's not too hard yeah I know very special thanks to our WS Community Foundation for a special grant that allowed us to purchase the computer this I I can read it you sound just like a robot so let me hype this up a little bit a special thanks to Wells Community Foundation without them we frankly would have have itting the stream and you want to see of our lovely faces and our lovely voices so thank you to them otherwise just wouldn't be possible and also thank you for auction it do you have a favorite nonprofit that could use an awesome fundraising idea auction it is an online and in person that can help you with your nonprofit host a great charity event auction it find more at auction it.com that is auction.com IO I don't know why I read that yeah so just foration it's auction.io that is auction.io horri about reading some things I've read this script multiple times but I just can't read that final part oh we got a DK rule a kink rule H King cave but Jaden has thrown himself off once so it is tired for this stuff no don't it's fine so Jaden has to throw himself off once at least once yep but DK is a heavy weight absolutely so well yeah you could tell by his large self large statue yeah large statue but I don't know what so it's kind of a counter doesn't the picture for the that doesn't pop up as a cannonball no I think it just pops up like a physical thing it pops up as an explosive no it's just a physical thing in general oh okay they just did DK's banana cuz it's funny oh well okay well yeah like it's a great counter against Isabelle cuz Isabelle is very very light just so there's nothing Jaden can really do unless get a really cheesy kill but he can't really fall down yeah there's nothing he can really take risk at one stock right now I would personally love to use my secondary character against this which is me brawler because it's a heavyweight counter you can just juggle him but looks like Jaden's finding a really hard time to get on stage like that does eventually just oh is that no that's to kill oh doesn't get the fishing hook either he could get the fishing hook in this one he does struggling to get up on my let CU Jaden doesn't want him to yeah she's really great stat he doesn't doing the same thing just doing this if it's not broken don't fix it fair it's not broken oh okay I understand that now just means if it works it works why not it's just why did you change them doesn't work like 20 bucks is 20 bucks I think it's different analogy but yeah yeah but it looks like Jan's up very Hy perent she got to be careful with this yeah he a really big heavyweight guy yeah hopefully he can find another cheese he has to really be careful cuz he could end up just losing the match yeah hope he could find another cheese kill but I frankly I don't I I can see it J is really Jade is really good at pulling at these cheese kills yeah just out of nowhere but I want to say he can but it's kind of unlikely that it could happen at this unless he could just it looks like uh Jaden released the canonball from the maybe not never mind I thought it was funny never mind yeah thought it was funny he released the cannonball in the roll and pox it again and So eventually he downfall yeah do look like Jaden's good at getting these really high percentage out for a lightweight so unfortunately I'm going to go check in on them real quick do you want to read the merch or read another sponsor real 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bhmsd.org or show up on Saturday the 4th the fourth remember that to bluon high school to see the fierce competition of our local Gamers oh looks like it's in incinerar again okay incinerar versus our Jordan see if this is the same no no that means there's two incin today is there yeah have we already seen incin in round two uh no never mind no no just don't listen to me don't listen to me don't listen to me okay okay I I don't know why I thought there was two hey there might be there might be might be I it's hard to know sometimes because it's not like anybody his names you're just going up against characters which it took me a little bit to realize that inor is based off of wrestling yeah yep his whole entire play style is based off of wrestling that's why he has that throw that throws him into the side of the Ring yeah it took it took about a year when that Pokemon came out really yeah I didn't realize that until I started well I didn't play the game for it oh I see so I didn't know what he was about until why is he just throwing him into a yeah I was like uh what so I was so confused until I actually play the game I'm like that makes more sense then Jordan over here getting punished cuz his recovery has him has a lot of lag does he take damage with that recovery he does not actually wait I don't think he does at least we'll see if he does do the recovery next he should he uses it a lot oh it's very important for a next player to know how to control their um their lightning bolt that shoots out yeah oh that incin or are just absorbing um oh hey well you know what that's that's always something fun to see is when a little child launches himself into a giant what is it cat uh wrestling catlike creature nobody knows what Pokemon are I I don't I don't know what he's based off of he's oh andc War charged all the way up with the slip counters he's able to deal a ton of damage oh no Jord and then Jordan absolutely trashes the recovery he had that in the bag he could have gotten away with it but it's fine though he's 26% up it's Jordan he can still yeah and we have another person after this yeah but they don't that's the thing no yeah no they don't have another person this is the last match wins this oh did I see that correctly and that is gay okay you seem shocked okay turns out this was their guess that is the last game say they did well yeah say JV and varsity both did really well all right thank you for joining us this evening that wa no oh was it they got another oh do they have oh never mind yep forget what I just said it's okay sometimes it's hard to count because junior varsity isn't always we got shown a bunch another DK rule that's evil I just said it again you did say that didn't you yes they're all the same no cuz I was calling Diddy Kong D I'm I'm done no Diddy Kong DK Jr yes DK DK King K King K or KK you can you understand understand why I'm getting it mixed up don't you no no I definitely get it okay I think that's maybe that's what Nintendo was going for to all have the same name but like just just different enough to not be the same person yeah just slightly different just to confuse people honestly Nintendo is that kind of company not going to lie it's Nintendo you never know what they're going to do yeah it's just how they roll oh Jordan getting punished k k will B just Jordan for the most part child on the ground it is always fun to make the children jokes on that kind of thing cuz it is it's it's Ness and a muta k k rule crocodile yeah whatever King K rule is supposed to be okay I believe that was his back throw which is really powerful but it can be risky if you don't if you don't grab them he's he's this King K knows how to Edgard yeah they're really good at it they know how to especially with all the projectile oh that takes us to our the takes us to jv's last person yeah and then what that yeah this is this is the third round so yeah this would be the last yes no jv's team is third person yeah there is the fourth person Jordan was second person never mind yeah this next player yeah never mind okay fa Point yep some confusion going on here cuz we don't know anything I need to just have a notebook with me just keep track of what I don't know guessing somebody tripped over it that that could have been the case yeah guessing Jaden's playing since it was Sonic yep okay not Jaden not Jaden Brody Brody yeah oh my gosh it's hard to keep track of two teams yes very much is even though I've been doing this for four four weeks now four weeks well this is my first time that's my excuse yeah you have an excuse I don't I really don't have an excuse for this okay getting comboed here this King K is pretty good for junior varsity so I'm I'm really hoping they can uh they can learn yeah maybe not but it's Sonic Sonic doesn't necessarily have very many options he just spins that's about it yeah sonic doesn't really have that many options it's kind of like a little literally just punching that's all he's got it's all he does yep King K rule on the other hand is the exact opposite he's he has so many different types of moves he's got all kinds of projectiles and he's strong andele choices mhm that's evil playing the cricket sound effect there's there's not a whole ton of comment on yeah oh never mind that was that was actually that was awesome he's Kaden's got to watch it he's kind of I don't know I don't who is Kaden I don't even think I've ever met a Kaden I'll tell you after this I'll tell you after this why you're all good yeah I'll I'll explain it to you later okay so we got even stocks but King K has 56 down on percent don't ah dang it don't Travis Travis is talking to me right now he's he's saying the most cursed things imaginable was that it no it was not okay oh Sam Sam's playing oh we got Sam up oh this will be just like this will be fun Travis don't that's not funny we can't say those kind of things well I know I know that can we what can we what you want me to just take the headset for no it's fine okay just tell me what he's saying after just know if my face changes randomly that's why okay it's going to be interesting because it's rule versus King K rule yeah King K both down crouching over and over again and there's some kind of like ESP going on between both of their minds you know what would be awesome if they would if they would just play like volleyball back and forth oh yeah with the down bees but with but with a cannonball and not a volleyball I can hear him say oh oh oh I want to say he could down smash him but it wouldn't would that send him down if he just goes down just down smashes him no or the thing here is you you got to you got to go for the down air oh yeah you got to spike him off stage he has enough stocks yeah it would be an awesome finish to an awesome series of matches chuck chuck him off with a crown to set up for a spike I would uh I'd throw him off you know something light not like a heavy attack or anything cuz then he'll just die and you you want to make him feel bad not getting a Cho he just not getting a chance at all he's he's really he's he's really being what is it zoned is that the yeah yep oh okay there it is hear him cheering him there he looks like he hasn't sleept in days it's very hard commentating with this man in my ear I'mma Be I'mma Be Real okay looks like that's it okay looks like JV Ty in Varsity ended up you for thank you for joining us this evening that concludes week this week of our streams I don't know why tune in Monday for at 5 for Tetris MH November 6th 5:00 p.m.

at Pittsfield Elementary School the that location is 2543 Pittsfield Boulevard in the 48104 zip code and your work session next week I'd like to point out that that is also on a Wednesday and at that meeting you will receive a overview of the capital Improvement plan process from Kayla Coleman who is the capital projects asset manager thank you do other commissioner officers or lean have anything to report all right moving forward written Communications are included in today's packet we're going to move on to public comment this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about an issue that's not listed as a public hearing on this agenda we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission then remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star9 if listening by phone or use the raised hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 877 85352 47 and enter meeting ID 1226 City staff will select callers who've raised their hand using the last three digits of their phone number or by name if available for those accessing through the web link and you will hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak when speaking please do move to a quiet area and mute any television or background sound so that we may hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name and your address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone here present that would like to speak at this time Mr Garber yeah thank you chair Lee Ken Garber 28 H Hill Court um I'd like to speak on 3874 Research Park Drive I noticed there's no public hearing so now is the time right uh I believe there is a public hearing for Research Park Drive that's okay oh then wait thank you thank you anybody else here that would like to speak on a matter that's not listed on the agenda seeing no one is there anyone that would like to address the commission remotely there is one hand raised phone number ending in 534 you have permission to address the Planning Commission for three minutes good evening this is Tom stallord calling from lowertown in an arbor uh later on tonight we're going to talk about one of several City initiated Mass uh res zonings or other zoning Law changes um so we'll talk about the details about that one later but I would like to thank you all for the increased wealth that you have created through other zoning changes for people like myself uh people uh like me and my investors that already own property that will'll be able to get a greater yield on uh what it does for us is it immediately makes us unconditionally wealthier it increases the value of our properties unconditionally and then we can uh we don't even have to develop to make that money I know people talk about well you know you should you should make a profit for development no we don't have to uh we can go to the bank and borrow against that money and we could develop in the township create commuters if we want we could buy a boat anything we want to do so it's that unconditional aspect of some of the city initiated actions that kind of triggers that and I'd also like to mention that one of the other things it does is by increasing the cost of the land it increases one of the primary inputs to new development so if we're looking for modest price housing the first thing we do apparently is to increase the cost of one of the primary input into that housing so uh I'm not sure if that's the wisest thing to do but I just wanted to make sure that I personally thank all of you uh and I'm sure there's other land holders and land speculators out there that are very grateful for the uh the wealth that you are creating for us with some of these City initiated uh zoning changes um thank you very much thank you any other callers there are no other hands raised Mr chair thank you uh we'll move on to public hearings for the next business meeting and I will defer to staff a public hearing on the following items will be held by the an arbor Planning Commission on Tuesday November 14 2023 at 7 p.m.

so I would love to know does do those two statements um have meaning and if they have meaning what how should we consider that meaning also in the ud DC so this is in the same request it says that uh site plans that come before the uh Planning Commission the development will not have a detrimental impact or effect on the public health safety or welfare of our community again my question is does that statement have meaning so and if it does how then should we consider that and and I you you were not here Mr leard when uh mix Kelly and I had this conversation because I I mentioned that I've brought this up before and you have um you and I have exchanged words about it but we don't have to do it tonight but I would like to understand how these three points that sit within the UDC would be able or how we should interpret them as we're approving site plans and if they don't act actually mean what they what it uh appears that it means on its plain reading then there should be some clarification of how we should apply it or we should cue it up for removal because I think to me it just feels disingenuous to approve something that I know is going to have a detrimental impact on the climate and say that it does not so so that those are my requests based on and I didn't have it at the time that we were in the discussion um but if had I had it I could have raised it and asked for a postponement so public health safety and Welfare is a basis for police power laws um that is also police zoning is a police power law the way you define what public health safety and Welfare is is by the adoption of ordinance standards and applying development to meet those standards it is not a um tagline that can be invoked to say that I don't think it meets these standards and therefore I think this is inappropriate public health safety and Welfare is the way that is the reason that we create laws to govern how development happens we we answer what that means by the adoption of the standards in our UDC and other codes throughout the city so um in the past um there have been communities in in the past we have invoked that as a finding that is not a finding the FI that is the basis why we enact ordinances and standards and measure developments to those standards um as for your first question um I don't know what that's intended be air quality I can we can work on trying to answer that um my initial thought is that is language that is probably existed in this code since the 50s and and it's been pulled forward so um but I can try to do our best to answer what that means so and specifically for me it's the emissions of air pollution that's what we have written in our code in those two districts and they're in the two districts and they were in the two districts that we were considering tonight so it was an appropriate set of questions that we had for this petitioner except I don't know how you know when you say it's a it's the way that we do the police Powers then my expectation then would be there's a city Department that makes a judgment on the emissions of the air pollution and then that comes to us and says it meets this standard so it can go forward if you're saying that we don't have the ability at the table to restrict something otherwise we should put it on our work plan to have it remove if it doesn't have an enforceability uh in the code thank you thank you for bringing that up and I do think that there's actually some reasonable basis to take a look at that one um you're absolutely right B5 emissions of air pollution shall not be detrimental to Public Welfare so um I think that's definitely something that we should um discuss further um aside from that do we have any other commission proposed business seeing none I'm going to move to adjourn uh second did by council member dish this meeting is Jed thank you no discussion

auction it is an online and inperson auction platform that you can that can help you help your nonprofit host a great Charity Auction find out more you sound like a robot yeah I know go push some infinite looks like JV also started their first match I don't know if they're going stra to JV or yeah they're going to JV so JV is Brody right now I don't know if you can really hear me so put this little clip thing on yeah so it's Brody versus another king K roll yeah I really didn't get my sleep in today Ah that's always everyone's excuse no like every part of my body hurts yeah but it looks like Brody could just keep the king K rule really way yeah but Varsity is also another king K rule against snake oh no it's the same King K rule sorry I don't know why I snake and something else but it's uh Noah versus the king hero which is snake so both of our teams are figh facing a king K rule yeah unfortunately Brody does lose his first stop now is his crown just like just there yeah it's just there even if falls off stage it comes back on stage but you had to pick it up to be able to put it back on his head okay yeah but's trying to get the opponent's first dog but it doesn't seem working out for him yeah and the King K ruler trying to space him out so which is kind of working well well it's very easy to space out Sonic like I said he's very fast yeah it also doesn't help that if the varsity has a Sonic it means that their JV was facing that Sonic so it's pretty good counter against it yeah just like that oh dang it so you can't really play a lightweight character against like heavyweights like this unless you know you can juggle them oh there's no just three stocked the well it really wasn't that hard the king K rule was oh didn't he or he lose one stock yeah he lost two stocks two stocks oh yeah no why thought he lost only one yeah no one nearly lost his first one so he said a good old 134 nearly but he didn't so which isn't a bad thing back to Jaden not BR that's fine we can always get Tristan in yeah but uh it looks like the king K roll should finish the last stock all he has do is find a good smash attack so this can get roll well yeah all it takes is one good one good smash attack and then that could end it yeah I don't see it yeah guess he does get it so I've noticed there's different forms of smoke smoke yeah as it you know like around the character it's like each like percentage there's different smoke yeah cuz it's the uh rage me if you're higher up means the rage me is filling up even more okay but it does cap out at a certain percentage what is that what 300 I don't know oh okay I know it does cap out though believe it's like two1 caps out cuz one St all right let's go over to a varsity right here it is a cloud versus a uh snake snake which Noah should knows how against Cloud we have um Lucas that plays Cloud so it's good what does clouds gauge do uh it gives him limit and gives them three special moves and they do one is like that little slash which is blue and it does more damage and does a little combo uh his down be which basically B Ally does a tornado which sucks him in and Deals damage and the upy increases up his uh stage recovery a lot more and that's basically it okay yeah but looks like snake also Noah is just got to stock down on cloud and doesn't want him to breathe at all just not giving him a chance to breathe either spin them with projectiles or getting up close and personal see if Noah can get back Noah can definitely get back he knows he can get back all the way from the bottom right now because Noah knows how to C4 uh juggle which is he basically he play C4 on himself and then he detonates it and it throw himself back up which also gives us full recovery I'm sorry wait what yeah that sounds broken it is absolutely broken really sounds broken it's also very hard to do so okay but also I don't I think snake right now is a Medi white character in the Smash Wiki yeah right now so could be a I don't want to say lightweight but CU I don't really see him being a lightweight oh a Noth oh no two stocks I was thinking that is the first round so what there's two rounds in together for smash yeah it's two rounds first this is the second game of second game of Smash yeah it looks like no this is the first round yeah first round but that was a big first game I don't really know how you would describing it so I'm just going to stop that com it looks like the JV also had a king K Rule and our King K rule beat the one stack k k rules oh I didn't even notice that oh all righty it looks like I'm coming in so it looks like either we're getting Lucas out here or Tristan let's get Lucas in here uh I'm not Tristan he's going to be a new commentator oh yeah why not yeah yeah so you're going to have to teach him how to do stuff and make sure you stay onas and be I know so uh first time dude yeah my first just attach it to your shirt do you at least know what to do did they tell you a little bit on what to do a tiny bit but I have no clue what I'm doing be real you'll get used to it you'll get used to it just know I will be stuttering a lot okay if you didn't notice already cuz I am still tired look like Sonic versus samis mhm we won our uh our first round there's another round though yep Samus is a what medium weight no I think they're medium yeah either medium or light yeah but against Sonic this Sonic really likes to SP Dash yeah I noticed that which is not uncommon for Sonics yeah it can get annoying too can't it hm it can get annoying too can't it oh very much yeah I just fought the Sonic and it was not funny yeah we saw that oh but our hopes right now is to see Travis at Le three stock at least somebody I mean that would be awesome yeah it would be his second time doing it he almost did two people left last time really yeah but he ended up beating him with he ended up beating the second guy with two stalks because he got a shot off on him that he didn't realize was it going to happen huh was going to happen yeah yeah sounds about right yeah that's how the game goes sometimes yep you never know oh oh dang yeah the Sonic does know what they're doing yeah even though they like to spam yeah like you said it's not it's not uncommon for Sonics no definitely like half of their job is just speed dasing mhm yeah oh oh he knows exactly what what to do bomb placement stop the combo going I'm not sure I'm not sure what he's doing I'm not sure either I'm kind of questioning what he's doing I don't think he knows what he's doing half the time he's just like I'm just going to do what I feel I'm just going to Speed Dash yeah dude this guy that's amazing oh but half the time it hits yeah half the time it hits which is annoying cuz it's know exactly what he's going to do and it works still it still works oh hey you you putting up much of a struggle against yeah the Speed Dash is what was really getting you though mhm well half of the time you go I'd go to slip counter and it just doesn't work it just decides not to work because Sonic is faster than little mag yeah which is little Max one upside is that he's fast so when that's taken away Sonic yeah it's definitely like not okay what am I supposed to do now but Travis seems to know that he's supposed to keep his distance especially with a close- range character like Sonic oh looks like our JV just won their match yes sir love to see that that's what you love to see yeah guess I love both of our team Joker too I've seen Joker like 15 times today actually uh um yeah everywhere I seem to look there's a joker and I cannot fight Joker to save my life so yeah he's one of the ones that you they're they're one of the Char yeah are they really you're good think what I was goingon to say now people who play him are you don't know what they're going to do next thing they're very spontaneous at the time Jes them don't know why that was so hard to get out okay look like Travis just absolutely dogged on him guess he's and then he's going to have to SD twice then oh who's next was the no it was the DK rule wait what Noah May for varsity's match I see okay looks like we got Sam that's a actually that's a first I don't really I don't really see many people playing incin anymore no actually I think they might have nerfed him or something because I remember seeing him all the time in competitions and then well yeah until just gone yeah oh oh l oh looks like Sam knows what he's doing though yeah waiting oh yeah it's got it in the bag I wouldn't jinx it that it's happened before yeah it's happened before do we have any kind of wood yeah right there but I'm not going all the way over there to get up oh it's fine he doesn't need the wood spirits help yeah oh actually he H I don't want to say that cuz then cuz I've said it before and then yeah I don't want to say it though but you know what I was you know what I was about to say though I do I don't need you to say it to know what you going to say but Noah does have Noah does have to watch it though he does that Inc absolutely knows what he's doing I oh oh okay probably guessing that the you know what you know what it doesn't matter he's gonna I'm guessing that's inc's favorite move right now yeah considering we've seen that a lot well it helps that Sam you know often does the down B which is his counter which has a lot of punishing potential to be able to you know oh dang there it goes gosh jinxed him that was pretty my bad my bad uh but that was that was pretty close though that was yeah that was a good that was a close match moving back to Varsity looks like it's looks like Noah is going against a link yeah which I'm pretty sure this link knows incredible acrobatics they know everything there is to being in the air but no also knows everything about snake oh yeah I swear Noah can do anything with that character he can he has the power of God and an man his side yeah he does that's actually funny because I was just thinking about how similar links um like triggered bomb is to snakes playing style yeah so a lot of trap setups stuff like that yeah oh oh I didn't know that you could do that I didn't know you could just down air that I didn't I be honest I didn't either now I got to watch that whenever I am using link I mean yeah that's always the great thing about playing and commentating is you learn stuff yep you're always learning yep oh oh okay oh oh oh that could have been oh he almost got him right there too oh how is how okay I was going to say how is he still alive there's no reason there's no word in the dictionary that spells out how he is supposed to be still alive okay all I can say about this link is that they're fast they're not necessarily correct but they're fast yeah no it's just a matter of not getting spaced or zoned by I think that is his best choice here because no one knows what he's doing yeah it's like you really don't know what he's going to do until he does it oh boy he tried it I admire the confidence yep oh see what um I was not expecting that okay well that that was a way okay yeah it looks like JV just won oh no that's not JV is it yeah it is is it oh no JV just won what is this it was JV lost like can see incin Roar yeah that's right okay yeah so how's your day going mediocre may I ask why very indifferent nothing happened all day I'll take it but what are you going to do Point looks like it's oh okay looks like versity starting up again this Diddy Kong knows what he is doing pretty sure Noah has to want DK twice I think so yeah yeah for some reason I think it was too into the box it's a banana and a bomb pressed together I was just about to say are you able to put the banana I don't think so the banana on the bomb but guess you can I don't think it was actually stuck together was placed over the C4 oh okay yeah no one knows what he's doing against this yeah this Diddy Kong the name name Diddy Kong is such a hard name to say I don't like it just DK Jr DK Jr yeah I mean it works it really does okay cuz it's pretty much the same thing as Donkey Kong I mean Donkey Kong both D and then the K yeah I'm kind of expecting not anymore actually I was going to say I'm expecting Noah to get another stock but but I don't want to say anything yeah and this I don't want to say this isn't the last match of round two is it cuz there should be one more I think I think there's one more okay say I'm pretty sure there is one more oh see you call that a monkey flip grab and it's the most annoying move Diddy Kong has to offer oh oh okay I mean it worked yeah it worked was not expecting it but it worked okay oh no oh oh oh he's going to make it it's just is he going to get anti-ed there's what there's no way there's no way good thing you didn't say anything it's a good thing my is my luck it's a good thing I determined the outcome if I curse it then it's cursed good thing you didn't say anything but that's a first I've actually never seen anybody pull that off yeah no not it was really that was really unexpected I was definitely expecting it to get like two stocks and then like high percent and then Die game yeah but uh apparently not oh looks like the stocks are tied right now for JV looks like we're going back to JV looks like Jordan's playing we got Jordan and another another king K Ru along with Joker that's what three yeah okay I've seen a lot of KK rules lately too they're really hard to miss they I mean they're a well-rounded character I must say very a plump he's a very plump character mhm in more ways than one yep it's fine though cuz Jordan's just going to whip out the yo-yo cuz apparently that's something you can do that works what even is this game you have like a two-year-old child going up against a mutated Croc with a golden chest just using a yo-yo to fend yeah dude that's actually hilarious a baseball bat and a Yoo the ultimate combo okay oh well okay it's fine Jordan's got this he's going to recover there he is D just would not let him get on no that's good Edge guarding right there yeah oh wow all he has to do is just hit that oh Dam that's all he has to do that would be an epic finisher just hit that' be so cool hit Canon right back at him see perfect that was actually amazing calling everything that was actually awesome yeah ah there goes dang it you know what did you take two stocks yeah that's that's good at least he took something from the DK yeah not DK but yeah King K Ru mhm gosh not DK yeah there's too many characters there's a lot of characters in this game there's too many looks like Jaden's going against a DK DK rule oh my go yeah we got Varsity coming up that's four oh gosh H okay he's already played this King K rues so he kind of knows some of the uh pretty actually he didn't he win against this King K rule too he say cuz yeah he should know what he's doing against it I'm thinking this should be you know okay it depends though if the king k can learn fast enough then it doesn't matter how which I actually learned from Jaden earlier today when he absolutely destroyed me over and over and over again suffice to say I'm not very good yet I'll get there oh the fishing hook too that fishing rod lot of people with that fishing hook yeah he's he's able to terrifying with the fishing hook oh and there goes weapon of mass destruction a fishing h i mean to the fishes yes yes most definitely did you know if it's one type of fish then it's fish as plural but if it's like four different species of fish then it's fishes really yeah what English is the weirdest language I've ever seen and I love it I looks like this King K has really got really got his zoning figured out he knows what he's doing as far as keeping Isabelle away from him now it's just will he fall for the he already blew it up doesn't matter he's going to fall for it or not say he just stepped on it just blew up yeah it didn't matter he's such a big character well there a three stock three stock we did get at least one three stock today now that's that's good that's always it's always good to make sure you have one and I believe that if I'm if I'm not mistaken I believe that was the last game for Varsity I could be wrong okay so from here we're just focusing on JV cuz they're the only ones left I believe they have two yeah no did they one or two one or two yeah or I might I might have missed a couple it's hard sometimes yeah I don't I lost Shack already I don't know we'll find out though coming in clutch with the side B I can't think of what her name is though pyro mythra yeah this one's mythra specifically pyro is the one with the fire okay wait so myth I have uh don't throw the crown back at him yeah throw it off stage just Chuck it he doesn't deserve the crown anymore we're both at high percent but you got to remember uh King K is down a stock so I wonder why it's recorded in percents well there's also HP too well well yeah oh that's okay yeah we still got a super high percent oh it is never mind it's all it takes never mind no it's not tied up anymore um Iz he just know Izzy knows what she's doing she does she's got this yeah it is good it's fun to watch them yeah it really is fun cuz you'll see some stuff that you don't even see in Varsity either no no sometimes you'll you'll see something that is like an interaction between two characters and you just weren't expecting it yeah at all like mythra and King K rule one match up I have actually first time seeing no I've I've never seen this either when did myth come out when did I think it was was it I don't know the exact date though okay she's a DLC character yeah I can't think of what game she's from though uhoh see if she can two stock it oh nice yes sir good job good job now if it is she'll only have to no if there is another round she'll only have to SD once you want to read some sponsors H yeah okay uh who wants to go first you go first since this is my first time okay I'm make you go first thank you to our sponsor Adam Well's 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are we on now I can't think of that I can't think of the name there's so many characters I do and don't know in this in math but okay we are off of the king K rule okay so we're moving on to our third person here here uh they're on their what they're also on their third aren't they yep cool this is it's pretty pretty close yes I want to say it is but at the same last count so I could be wrong I yeah this is their third guy okay see who they will pick oh looks like Jordan's going oh this will be fun oh that should be fun to watch oh as hero too oh maybe he's psyching us out he's deising he's deciding deci de sizing what desizing that's what I said I don't I'm I just ignore me just ignore me okay so it's hero versus NES it would have been awesome if it was hero versus hero as a he's really dangerous with this but he is more effective as nees yeah especially against somebody that knows hero well yeah and if you play as hero obviously you're going to know hero well believe that was his only SD that he has to do yep yep and Jordan is terrifying with them yeah yeah Jordan can combo the heck out of you with ease yeah all he has to do is get you into air and then there's no getting out of it unless you're me unless you're a little mac and you could just press B and that's all you have to do because Little Mac is a broken character he either really wins or really loses a lot like hero actually Heroes a lot of RNG you have to be good with luck to be able to properly play this character okay of course hero over here with the freaking heel like what you're just going to stop and heal in the middle of a match so what are those are what are the those are like abili that he can select uh and they all mean a different thing well Kaboom I'm guessing is a bomb I mean yeah that's quite obvious and then there's ones like heal which are also obvious yeah um but then you have like like what is it called kamakazi and he literally just blows up and if you're near him does it take a stock away mhm it's almost a guaranteed kill but it takes your stock away too so it's really it's a really risky thing mhm okay it's like up just makes him deal more damage I believe maybe it increases all of his stats accelerate definitely makes him go faster obviously as you can see well accelerate is he just turns into a metal statue and you can't do any damage okay you know what and Jordan just three stocked him too so that's the second three stock jeez cheering from the other room Jordan over there scrolling through his stats I believe that was the last I believe that if I'm not wrong I believe that was the last game for them no this is their third person third person okay so now they're on their fourth and we're still on our third with no um no stocks taken away okay read this quick MH Super Smash Bros tournament this Saturday register to compete at ss.

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uh the first of which 28:45 South State Street which is a request to vacate three areas of roadway rights fronting 2845 South State Street the owner of the property at 2845 South State requests that the roadway wres over a 50t by 229 ft and a 50t x 51 ft area adjacent to South State and a 27t x 310t area adjacent to Eisenhower Parkway are vacated this action will remove these previously acquired roadway rights over the property and result in a uniform right of way Edge along the east side of South State Street between Eisenhower Parkway and Oakbrook Drive and along the north side of Eisenhower Parkway between South State Street and Boardwalk Drive the second public hearing will be 312 East yon Street this is located at the southeast corner of East uran in South fth Avenue Zone D1 downtown core District it's a proposal to construct an approximately 77,000 ft² six-story Hotel building on two Parcels totaling 045 Acres access is proposed off South Fifth Avenue and leads to nine surface parking spaces with storm water detention located below the parking lot no regulated natural features will be impacted from this proposal thank you we're going to move on to section 8A unfinished business this is regarding the 3520 Green Court this is the plan unit development text Amendment for city council approval the proposed amended supplemental regulations will expand the permitted principal uses of the Pud the permitted unit development or planed unit development excuse me the permitted principal uses would include medical dental offices which are currently prohibited would expand the definition of hotel which would currently um which currently restricts Hotel developments to Extended stays with 100 room Max Capacity would permit the development of multif family residential housing which is currently excluded and the Pud District includes 35.262781 uh that is correct and the reason for this postponement to the second regular session in January or that request is because this petitioner later in your agenda is asking um to be included in the city initiated uh resoning to tc1 along the Plymouth Road area and they would like to postpone um their prior interest uh in um in One Direction toward tc1 and they await the outcome of this meeting and city council proceedings thank you so we're going to go to public hearing and then motion is that correct that is correct all right we're going to move to public hearing this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about the proposed PE amendments we will first call on individuals to pres uh present to address the commission then remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star 9 if listening by phone or use the raised hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call call 877 853 5247 and enter meeting ID 977 66 34226 City staff will select callers that have raised your hands using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available for those accessing through the web link you'll hear an automated announcement allow saying that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute any television sounds so that we can hear you clearly uh again for either method of participation please state your name name and your address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak about this matter at this time yes but can I wait or I I need to speak first is this regarding the 3520 Green Road PUD oh no I'm I'm from Plymouth Road Plymouth Road if this is regarding the tc1 this is not quite that time okay it it'll be later in the agenda thank you seeing no one um is there anyone that would like to address the commission remotely the proposed motion is to postpone to the January 16th regular session moved by commissioner white seconded by commissioner a discussion of the proposed motions I'm sorry uh Voice vote without objection that motion passes any objections the motion passes all right we'll move on to section 8B which is 3874 Research Park Drive this is sorious phase two site plan for Planning Commission approval this is where the site plan is actually approved phase two proposal to construct 11,800 ft building addition onto the existing building 77 new parking spaces with two new curb cuts off Research Park driver also proposed the staff recommendation is approval and we will move on to petitioner presentation Miss Brier all right good evening everybody I'm Candace Brier with Midwestern Consulting I'm here tonight with um um Cameron mccoslin the applicant as well as Peter Mertens from Sartorius Tom Phillips from Hops and black Architects and Joe Vic the contractor for this project so um just for context um this is phase two of the project so you may remember from a year maybe two ago um seeing phase one these are the central properties of the research Park Drive Industrial Park area um south of I94 East of State Street north of Ellsworth um the site's just under 17 Acres it is zoned re o RL which allows for the um the use um as I mentioned phase one of this site plan was approved in February of 2022 um and is currently under construction um this phase includes a proposed building addition which would expand the uses that were um um proposed for phase one uh many elements of phase one will be utilized as part of this expansion including the parking lots the drive aisles the solid waste enclosures storm water management system and many of the utility connections um the proposed Phase 2 improvements do include a small parking lot expansion um the associated lighting some underground utilities and Landscaping um this site plan also does include removal of one Landmark tree with six mitigation trees provided um so as I mentioned the project is is primarily a proposed building Edition it's 110,00 ft one-story building Edition on the north side of the phase 1 building um there's also a proposed parking lot with 77 parking spaces including 9 evi and 32 EVC spaces um which would bring the total parking on site to 376 um vehicle spaces we're also proposing 26 additional bicycle parking spaces for a total of 58 on site um access to the parking lot will be provided from the existing phase one driveway so we won't need a new driveway for the parking lot but we are proposing two new access points um along the north side of the building for truck loading and unloading and for fire access um we're also proposing a new um crosswalk connection to the AATA bus stop that's on the east side of Research Park Drive as far as utility service it's pretty minimal um there will be a new sanitary sewer lead on the west side of the building um connecting into Research Park Drive and um a new hydrant that's being constructed on the north side of the building um there are no new domestic water or fire service leads um The Phase 2 building will be serviced internally um from the phase one water Network um we will use the existing infiltration Basin that was constructed in phase one that was sized to accommodate the runoff from this phase as well so um nothing needs to be done with that as far as storm water is concerned and then franchise utilities will utilize the connections that were that were put in for phase one um at this point I can turn it over to Tom if he wants to come talk about the new building evening uh Tom Phillips with Hobson black Architects here at an aror um the building is very much in character with uh the existing building that's under construction now it's made of a a sophisticated uh metal panel insulated metal Panel System uh very similar interlocking that uh exceeds all the current energy code requirements and this phase will not have as much Glass by percentage but the the glass that is there is is also High Performance Glass uh intended to block some of the heat coming in from the Sun um and then the the roof as well is is a white uh membrane roof that um is not only reflective but the insulation of the envelope also exceeds the uh the energy code requirements so it's very much uh in character with the the first phase of the building show you a couple pictures of it um the trucking area is kind of tucked into the back of the building along the north Edge as can is mentioned and we tried to you know offer some variation uh to the C generate some interest in the building going around the perimeter and uh continue to um Express kind of the high-tech nature of the of the client in the building itself and that's where we're at so you want to okay I'll thanks Tom um cam did you want to mention and some of the sustainability features of the project cam moslin with Portage Capital so uh you know the sustainability issues that we we really went through quite a bit you know on the phase one would continue um on this phase which would be full implementation of the lead gold status that we are achieving in uh in this phase plan to do full solar to the extent we can we can get on the roof that's I think the one of the the pictures I don't think are necessarily representative because we've got a pretty sizable solar array on the first phase that will be implemented obviously everything related to you know the code with uh with EV and um and any other uh you know things that we were were looking at you know through the phase one we will continue on with phase two which been has been a pretty exhaustive effort you know both by uh sorus as a company with their initiatives on sustainability and you know in and in kind with the uh an arbor with what we were trying to achieve with this project thanks with that uh we're happy to answer any questions perfect thank you then with that I think we go to staff presentation Mr CH yeah I think the petitioner did a good job of making an overall presentation on the site the only thing I think I would add is there is the Malex Creek that runs along the north portion of the site that's a 25 foot natural features buffer that they have met um there are two additional curb cuts that are placed along Research Park Drive on the East and the West that again does me code and with that uh planning departments recommends approval for this project thank you with that we'll move on to public hearing uh this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about the proposed site plan we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission than remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star N9 if lifing by phone or use the rais hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 87 7 853 5247 and enter meeting ID 977 63 uh 66 341 1226 City staff will call uh select on callers that have raised her hands using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute any television or background size uh sound so that we can hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name an address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time as previously advertised Ken Garber again [Music] um so this is hard for me because Sartorius is part of my professional world I write for scientific journals about the life sciences including some of the applications that sartoria specializes in so I should be thrilled there here in an arbor but actually it's the opposite why because they'll add to the city's carbon footprint in a big way for decades to come if the energy use intensity of this building is the same as what Sartorius disclosed for phase one 250 kobus per square foot per year I calculate that this new building will emit over 3500 metric tons CO2 equivalent emissions a year every year that's the same as putting 650 gasoline field motor vehic on the road for the life of this building uh I refer you to the June 23rd letter to Soria signed by 40 prominent an arbor residents some of whom you probably know and the company's response Sartorius did not address any of our suggestions for reducing the energy demand of this building and thus the requirement for constant air exchange mostly from F fum Hood use adopting these Innovations as others have should make full electrification possible although the company received almost $7 million in city tax breaks and state grants to locate here um Sartorius at least their executive team uh still acts as if they're doing us a favor uh I spoke with Mr mland who you just heard from uh before the meeting for a little bit and he mentioned to me that it's still uncertain what this new 110,000 F foot building or addition will contain um Company still hasn't decided apparently um it's his guess based on what he told me that there won't be Labs there that they'll consolidate the labs in phase one which is now under the construction and they'll put other stuff in this addition um so um while the building should be all electric regardless if there are no Labs here there's certainly no excuse for gas um I was confused by Mr mowen's statement on solar he referred to um solar on this building but it's not clear to me whether there would be additional solar in beyond what is planned for phase one um so that's a question I would have maybe I just wasn't listening closely um if solar were placed on half the0 the square footage of this roof that would be over 1.2 megaw enough to power about homes um the staff report mentions that OSI asked artorius to include onsite solar with storage achieve full building electrification and other things going further to say that quote it does not recommend approval of this project um I ask that you postpone the site plan vote to allow sorus to meet with OSI and with concerned citizens about adopting measures that will allow full building electrification thank you sir anyone else present that would like to speak at this time seeing none is there anybody that's electing to comment remotely there are no hands raised Mr chair okay thank you uh the proposed motion is that the Ann Arbor City Planning Commission approves the sorious site plan located at 3874 Research Park Drive moved by commissioner Mills seconded by council member dish we are in discussion anyone like to kick us off commissioner Mills I'll do the quick one um that follows on nicely to asking about solar panels my computer was making sounds because I was control effing to see if I missed it in the site plan so that that was one thing that I was curious about and trying to um hear the presentation and and see osi's report too what are the plans for Soler on this large roof that is being added so so you're currently in the first phase we we do have solar I would be a Miss to tell you what what the St stats are but it's to the extent we can get panels on the roof it's basically fully covered this building is a laboratory building a lot of uh air handling equipment so you know we are taking up a vast amount of space with air handling equipment that's on the roof so obviously you have to be you know you have to some loading issues with the roof and also with uh you know AIS around uh you know those those units so to the extent that we have solar though it's it's pretty much the roof is covered either with mechanical equipment or solar panels when when this the first phase is done you wouldn't see that today's version it's not that far along yet M we anticipate the same thing will happen with Phase 2 you know we we've got uh lead to to be able to that standard to be able to keep up with so that in itself between all the other uh you know building envelope uh insulation and the vast other things that we're doing would almost dictate that we have to get that much solar on the roof to begin with so so I'm this is a question for staff I guess I'm not seeing it in the site plan necessarily and and it if it's there then OSI doesn't know that plan because they also did not indicate anything in phase one so am are we missing something I don't believe so uh I don't think it's shown on the site plan either on the roof unless somebody Wass to confirm that I'm I'm missing on the site plan is it something that's going to be added in the future is that the The Phase 2 solar yes um it's on the roof it's not on anywhere other than the roof it's not we don't have enough room on the site to even put any additional on the site if you look at the you know the plan from the standpoint of it's either building parking lot or or water management storm water management there's not a whole lot to put anything anywhere else but yes we I mean they anticipate the solar the solar is almost a little bit of a design build thing as as you go you know to understand where we can actually put those things when we have so we would and plan that in in in this this plan approval we anticipate to put it in on though so by the way OSI we we had it on a we we were discussed this at length during during phase one I don't think that met any requirement that they were looking for you know as as aide and I I would just say it's not there right now when I look at this see that as a huge opportunity um particularly if there's not as much lab space in this side of the building we don't know that 100% that was a that was that was I would prefer you to ask me related to the use of the building all right we don't know 100% what what we're what we're doing at the building right now there's several business opportunities in front of sorus that they're they're trying to really ascertain what what happens obviously they've got facilities all over the world and all in in the country here as well so that's a moving Target a little bit you know one of the things that we you know that that we as we sit here today uh Candace and I were actually just looking you know this process from the start of it is almost a year as we go through this so much changes in that amount of time from a business aspect you know that's even been a moving Target to be perfectly honest you know from what we started this out to be and where we're at right now could be could be lab could be you know office space could be research could be a lot of things I think that the I from the standpoint of solar I think that we would make that commitment you know if if we wanted to uh amend anything from that standpoint to to that we are putting solar the lead requirement that we are uh trying to ascertain is going to put us there regardless we have to get there with with with solar and I if that's a commitment that you're willing to make that's something that I would love to see in part just because I think I just think this the spec would be a little you know out there right now you don't haven't designed what your roof space is but something that suggests there's lots of different things that could happen on a roof right so and and there's Play Between all of these whether it's white roof to be reflective sure for cooling you know helping with cooling whether it's a green roof to help be insulative or putting solar panels on the roof I mean those are those but those are design choices and I'm not an architect but I would S I would imagine that those change how you're design has how you're thinking about designing that it does especially with what's inside the building and where it goes as well certainly what I would suggest is that particularly to in presenting and talking about we're thinking specifically about this phase tonight and so thinking what's on this phase and and this is what I've been trying to sort out is what we're seeing vers what we're hearing is is not in keeping so something if if this is to include solar having that commitment to maximize solar to the extent possible on the roof would certainly make me feel um much more comfortable about this moving towards sustainability again don't know all of the details of lead but there's lots of things being in a in a city like an arbor earned you some points on lead from the get-go so I think that having um some addition commitment there would would make me feel a whole lot better otherwise I think that this is um in keeping with this area I mean I think that the when I look at the building and the plans what I see is huge opportunity sitting there to help Advance sustainability goals and um and UNM opportunity and so that's that's my comment but I would um turn it back to the chair yeah I would just just I would invite at at a certain point when I think this first phase is is along I'm and I'm sure that uh sir toris would love to have everyone out to see this building because I would tell you outside of a municipal building or a university building that's probably the most one of the most sustainable buildings that's ever been built in an arbor I can tell you and the guy back there who's paying for it all would tell you that because we're spending a lot of money on uh on things that they want to achieve it's really not been driven by Ann Arbor it's really more their company initiative that's got us there but we are we are investing a ton in sustainability efforts in this building if you really uh would like to examine some of the sartorious initiatives you would see that that this a huge Global goal for them as as they produce more real estate around the world thank you commissioner white thank you chair Lee um question first for staff um where would where are the brownfields uh noted with this development is it in Steam at all or is it completely outside because I just I heard 7 million from Mr Garber but um is that a 15y year or 30 years is that the total amount I'm not prepared to answer that question I I don't I I don't really I don't know if somebody from staff knows well I'll I'll turn to mix uh Kelly so uh so the meeting that I missed uh where we talked about getting answers or bringing in uh folks because one of the things that I'm concerned about is the taxpayers are paying um a significant burden because they're getting a tax deferment for 15 30 years and we aren't getting sort of the sustainability objectives that OSI have requested and I I know that those two things sit in separate spaces but I think they should come into the same space so that we understand that a part of what we are approving because our code hasn't caught up to our objectives right now is that we're actually paying them to pollute uh in our community in a way that they would not be able to if they were building this development uh in the headquartered um location of this company so how could like how do we get to that information um so that we are both as a community better informed about how we're carrying the tax burden of this pollution MH uh we can certainly incorporate that information into staff reports moving forward so that they're in an integrated location for the planning commissions consideration um if Mr changen does not have the information before him right now uh I do not I could attempt to get more details to circulate before the end of tonight's meeting or to share uh via follow-up I don't I don't know that it is particularly necessary for uh for you to do that for tonight's meeting but it's just um it's a huge part of how these things come to the table and I know the state has also granted Monies to bring them here but given that we're not getting the OSI recommendations of all electrification solar um then really we're just we're deferring this tax base uh to allow them to bring in you know this natural gas uh to this development uh until we can catch up with our objectives and so I just want to make sure that that is also noted uh as we continue to talk about this devel vment I uh certainly concur that having um project details to give a rounded context is helpful I will uh however note that in order to approve a petition before the body it is most important that it meet the criteria of the city code and that is what is before you this evening and yes and I've had some objections with the impact to our health and well-being and that phrase when we go about our approval but we don't have to have that conversation again tonight just to be clear Brownfield I'm not addressing you sir thank you well the Brownfield appr nothing to do with face Lee can you please instruct the petitioner not to address the commission I believe that commissioner wh would like to finish thank you thanks no problem yeah so I I appreciate it and it's it's just but I think it's a totality I think we are now at a point where scientists have said we are clearly going to hit the 1.5 you know degree number and it's whether we get to 1.6 and so you know our climate crisis is real and that's going to affect all of us it's going to infect uh the the Water waste it's going to hit storm water all of those things as storms we have more 100 500 and thousand year storms but we don't have a means to say no because that sort of phrase about the impact that it would have on the the well-being of the community isn't enforcable uh in this in this way so at least having this information about how we're you know deferring the tax revenue that we would need to fight the climate change that this pollution is going to affect in our community is something that I think is important for us to consider so I'll I'll leave it there thanks Charlie thank you any other Commissioners council member dish um okay so I I have a question but um the what I see as the total for the Brownfield was 2.7 million and um there is a million going into the affordable housing fund by virtue of there being a Brownfield agreement but I am not clear on that and so um I was hoping that if Mr delort is anywhere within the range of my voice he would come and speak to us uh so it may be a little less than uh at least the Brownfield agreement may be less than what Mr Garber mentioned um there's significant cleanup uh that happened on this site for phase one and um but nonetheless what we have in front of us is phase two and so what I wanted to ask was would it be possible to specify what you need to do to meet lead gold because I think there might be people listening for whom that that's not an obvious um those components are not obvious and it might be helpful to hear them it's uh you know that that a lead consultant which is not in the room with us tonight would probably be better and explaining that or okay somebody that that has a much more I'd love to be able to tell you all the details of it but you know it's it's obviously it's it's related to energy efficiency of the building for the most part we were actually trying to attain Platinum which is the highest standard you can get but it's unfortunately you wouldn't you can't get it even with this type of a building you can't get that so we we actually went to the highest level excuse me of the U of the lead status that we could obtain for a building of this nature and it's for both of the buildings right pH one and two for sure if you don't have it on both then you don't have it on either basically right so and then I'm sure that there's construction and demolition um a component of construction and demolition in that as well that you have to went what in the in the existing first phase for sure there was yeah demolish there was a there was an existing 50 60 year old building that we demolished phase two is Greenfield site right okay um I would I can tell you the Brownfield the way the uh the affordable housing gets that's that's by internal uh an arbor um you know by by by virtue of the the N which they changed several years ago yeah that that allows that to be uh subsidized into the affordable housing part Brown understanding that that's not an extra thing that you're putting in but it is an effect of the Brownfield agreement can allocate they can allocate part of the Brownfield to the to the Housing Initiative right exactly so uh we have to put that on the plus side um okay so I uh so I I I feel as though and I if I'm misreading the room let me know folks but I feel as though there's just a little bit of a question of how what we're seeing on the site plan corresponds to the lead gold certification and so there's a little no you're not you're you're feeling like that's not true lead gold wouldn't wouldn't appear on a site plan well it's more of a building standard than a site plan uh well if it requires you to achieve a certain amount of electrical offset we would be able to see that on the site plan no uh no so that okay so again we're in a position where we know you'll do it and we don't have to worry that we don't know the details the the the amount of investment that went into the first phase it would be criminal for us to not continue that to to obtain that lead gold status no I'm sure you're obviously um okay so I wish that that I am actually no let me frame this differently it is terrific that you are doing an infill project on this land and you are intensifying a use you are giving us greater efficiency of land use through what you were doing there really appreciate the work you're doing to improve Tech uh connectivity and bicycles uh bicycle uh Transit and you know you're doing a lot especially in phase one we saw all the work that you were doing to make this less of an island and all of that is very much appreciated um it is great that Sartorius generally has a commitment to carbon neutrality be by 2045 but there is a sense of urgency that 204 5 is a little bit of a late Target and so I think that some of the concerns that you're hearing expressed are merely genuine responses out of that sense of urgency and I think that uh it's clear that you're an ally in our in our climate mitigation goals um and it it is also clear that that we don't have any stand standards you know we can we can have the feedback from OSI but that's not written in any of our building standards and so I understand that but I would really hope that as you build as you go as you exper you know as you figure things out with the second building um you would seek the maximum efficiency for that building so that the solar you put on that roof offsets as significant a portion of your energy use as possible and I look forward to as this project proceeds hearing more details about how much you can offset so but thank you for the work you're doing thank you any other Commissioners I just wanted to State briefly that I was able to locate the uh proceedings of the approval of the Brownfield plan in March and uh circulated that to Commissioners by email if you'd like to take a look thank you Mr mclen um there was a moment where you did want to give some um information regarding the Brownfield did you want to add on to that at all no other than it was it was approved in phase one when we did uh demolish the uh the uh existing building that was there there was uh you know between uh it was deemed functionally obsolescent by the City Assessor here and also there was some environmental contamination that was mitigated at that point as well sure so that was all related to phase one Brownfield was approved as part of that phase one so just wanted to be clear that the phase two has got no bearing on that on on that on that brown field but there's no more mitigation efforts that need to take place on the site we did it all within the phase one gotcha thank thank you thank you for the clarification Mr CH yeah I just wanted to also interject that uh you know from the planning staff's uh perspective of the recommendation of approval it does meet at least for the Planning and Zoning Cod along with the other departments which may include whether it's the fire barall or engineering or or Transportation Etc uh it also you know meets with the uh the comprehensive plan recommendation for the uses at this site so that's how we you know determined uh an approval recommendation I do appreciate that yes OSI still has concerns on this project uh and those still remain thank you I'm sorry um council member dish yeah indeed looking at this document uh it is it looks like it is six million in Brownfield Tiff funds at least from the document that mix Kelly just shared with us thank you just to say that I was not correct thank you for the clarification any other comments if not I will uh add my two cents which is simply that um given the UniFi development code standards it's meeting setback um as well as Wasa County's Water Resource commissioner standards um the Bank full first flush requirements are met um from the permitted use standpoint uh office laboratory research um the use fits so um as much as I I know that clim climate change is obviously an emergency that we do face and we appreciate your commitment to being uh Net Zero oh fully sustainable by 2045 we do urge to do everything that you can um but I also know that you guys are taking a scientific approach to saying what benchmarks can we reasonably meet so um with that uh I I believe this is compliant with all required standards of the UDC that's really what we can judge this Merit by so with that do we have any other Commissioners that would like to add any other comments all right uh rereading the proposed motion the an arbor City Planning Commission approves the sartorious site plan located at 3874 Research Park Drive we'll be doing a voice vote M Kelly yes I'm sorry commissioner Lee Yes commissioner abon yes commissioner W yes commissioner svi yes council member dish yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes commissioner Weatherby yes that motion carries thank you and good luck right thank you all right we are moving on to section 10A other business tc1 Plymouth Road area resoning I will intro actually at this point in time I will be recusing myself from this particular petition thank you very much as my employer has submitted a petition to include one of their properties to this tc1 thank you what you almost this one I almost yeah yeah one he was like I want to add it okay well I am out thank you commissioner Lee okay so I will introduce the petition this is the Plymouth Road area resoning to tc1 Transit Corridor district and Transit Corridor Street type designation a city initiated rezoning petition this is a petition to rezone 45 Parcels in three areas along Plymouth Road from current zoning designation to the tc1 zoning designation and to designate the segments of Plymouth Road Green Road and Nixon Road proposed to be tc1 zoning as Transit Corridor Street type the total area is 12 7 Acres the staff recommendation is approval and we will have a staff presentation from planner to Leo welcome thank you all right uh thank you uh we have um prepared a staff report and in the interest of time and efficiency I'll really um I won't hit on it all I'm happy to answer any questions but um this is the third rezoning that we have um that we have proposed Ed for the same purpose to reone areas of the city to tc1 the staff report goes over some background including the when the tc1 district was created um some of its uh intents objectives its um goals it goes over some of the history of our zoning map changes um it details the public engagement that we did specific to this project um and then um it goes into the actual proposed resoning my presentation here tonight will focus on two things the areas that are proposed to be rezoned and some facts and data about those and then um the area height and placement standard and development standards of the tc1 district itself um so you get an idea of what the new rules would be and a little bit of comparison um to underlying zoning districts so the um proposed resoning is as mentioned 45 Parcels that cover about 27 Acres there are 99 unique addresses in the resoning area and these come from 42 individual lots and three condominium which have um and then both some of the individual lots have multiple addresses as well as the Condominiums have a lot of individual individual owners um we I have broken down the area into three sub areas just for discussion purposes they are not connected um we have a East Central and West West or West Central East depending on which way you like to read the page the East sub area has 19 Parcels about 53 Acres it includes 2000 2001 Commonwealth 2,000 Green Road and between 3250 and 3650 Plymouth Road mostly on the north side of Plymouth a little bit on the south side of Plymouth also as part of this we will be designating some streets speciic specifically Plymouth and Green as um Transit Corridor streets then the tc1 district the front setbacks are different depending on if you are on a Transit Corridor or if you are not um I should say that this is a proposed scheme that is going before city council for first reading on Monday um if it is not passed then the regular standards uh for front setback there will be only be one setback standard for the tc1 but as shown green and Plymouth Road will be designated as Transit Corridor streets and again as I mentioned the front set back standards are different depending on if you what front lot line you are um this is a map of the underlying zoning districts in the East sub area they include o office two PUD zoning districts C1 local business c1b Community Convenience Center C3 Fringe commercial as well as re research and R5 Hotel the Central Area excuse me the central area has 17 Parcels covers about 60 Acres um it spans um um it's sort of centered at the um Plymouth Road Mall and the traverwood shopping center um it includes 2,000 traverwood drive and two 2301 to 3055 Plymouth Road the proposed uh Transit Corridor Street designations in this area are Plymouth and Nixon um and those would get the designation of Transit corridors uh there's also um some Frontage on Hon Parkway and traverwood those do not get transit Corridor Street frontages the underlying zoning in this uh sub area includes orl which is office research light industrial office o and C3 Fringe commercial in the west sub area there are nine Parcels it's a little more than 13 acres it includes 1812 Upland Drive 1635 to 1800 Plymouth Road and this one again includes both a lot on the North a little bit on the south side of Plymouth the Plymouth Road is the only designated Transit Corridor um for this sub area uh Upland um does not get a Transit Corridor designation the underlying zoning in the west sub area includes one PUD C1 local business again c1b Community Convenience Center C3 Fringe commercial and P Parking I feel like this is a repeated slide am I going backwards maybe um yeah um a for a zoning District uh floor area ratio um or density and height comparison I got to move a little window here make it a little bit smaller there we go um overall I would describe this as the tc1 district um does allow a lot more density um than the underlying zoning districts as the top row indicates the C1 district has 100% floor area ratio that means that um whatever the square feet of the site is that's the square feet of the building um the most total building that you can have um um now that building um because of setbacks you can't really build lot line to lot line to lot line um so if you want to generally build exactly equal amount building is probably going to have to have some portions of two stories or more but this is what it means 100% means whatever the square foot of the site is that is the maximum square feet square footage of the building in the c1b district it's 150% C3 is 200% the office District 75 orl and re also 75 the R5 Hotel district little hard to compare apples to oranges there's no maximum building size but you need at least 900 ft of lot area per hotel room the parking district has no density no building size um ratio and neither does the tc1 district but all the districts do have a height limit the um c1b has the shortest at 35 c1b 50 and C3 is 55 the o o RL and re all have a maximum height of 55 ft or none I'll explain in a moment hotel motel has a um either 50 or 80 50 is normal 80 is when you put parking underneath the building the p district requires an equal height limit to the adjacent zoning designation and the tc1 also has a variable height limit between starting at 55 working your way up to 300 I'll explain in a minute front setbacks are are pretty much are quite in line most minimums are either 10 or 15 fet some are 25 most maximum uh front setbacks are 25 they push up to 40 or 50 in some areas the tc1 requires a minimum of either 0o feet um or 18 ft but the 18 is measured from the back of the curb so it could be just a few feet from the property line and the maximum in the tc1 district um is either 15 20 or 28 depending again on if you're on a Transit Corridor or not not um and what kind of building it is um so you can see that the minimum setbacks uh are in line uh the maximums are a little bit less I said I would get to those height limit the uh o o and re District the maximum height is 55 ft when you're within 300 ft of a residential zoning District beyond that there is no maximum height limit I do say this with a grain of salt because if you recall with the 75% floor area ratio um you would have to have an exceptionally large site to then have enough square footage to go up that High um if your buildings can only get so small and then they're structurally like a pencil and you can't fit anything on each floor so it does have quite a high height limit it's none that may be a little bit unrealistic you need a tremendous a enormous site to actually get something extremely tall with the size and the floor area limitation the tc1 height um has four ranges um when you're between Z and 80 fet it's a maximum of 55 so when you're pretty close to a residential district and then when you're between 80 and 300 you are a maximum of 75 ft you'll notice the similarities 300 ft is a common boundary line um lower height 555 or 75 F feet when you're within 300 ft of residential so that's a commonality that was not a coincidence um the tc1 was modeled after some of the best elements of our current zoning districts it's when you get Beyond 300 fet um in the o o and re theoretically you can go unlimited in the tc1 district there's two more levels one is 120 ft and then even further when you're a, ft away you could be um 300t tall um there's a front setback note explain explaining what I said those are proposed setbacks um I have a colorful graphic it is a graph but I it's one way to visually represent how the height is broken down in the tc1 um District compared to the other districts the first row is purple and that is 30 ft which represents um single family residential all of the single family residential districts have a 30-ft height limit and some of the multifamilies do as well so compared to that purle line all the way do I have a pointer I will not stop to find out um the C1 District um allows a little bit more height if you remember it was 35 ft a little bit more height all the way across everywhere in the C1 District the c1b C3 um the beginning part of o o RL r e all of those um they have a 55t height limit c1b and C3 the whole District No Vari no variation just that's what it is straight back in the o o and re once you get to that 300t line they go up this chart shows them at 300 feet just so they don't run off the page but remember the height limit is actually none the R5 um it has the two uh uh the two limits both 55 50 ft and 80 ft parking is equal to residential that's why it's all purple and all the same there in the T one District there's four levels the first two are within the 300 ft same as o and orl very close it's 55 ft a little bit farther away it's the green at 75 ft then when you get to that 300t Mark instead of just being none as some other districts are it's either 120t which is the yellow or it's 300 feet and that's a true 300t with the red we have on our website an interactive zoning an interactive mapping tool and when you go you'll see this I realize the buffers are covering what's underneath and you can't even see the roads but bear with us it's better than nothing um this shows the East sub area and the the purple outline of the proposed zoning the orange which you'll only see on the far left side of the page there's a little swath of Orange right that that spot is a limit of 55 ft then the Blue Area um that area is between 80 and 300 ft of residential zoning so in the blue area that height limit is 75 ft the yellow area means that they are more than uh 300 ft away from residential that height limit in that area is 120 ft and the clear that's where you can have up to 300 feet in height if you so choose in the central sub area um this area um again the proposed boundary is outlined in purple the orange has a 55t height limit the blue has a 75t height limit the bulk of the the bulk of the middle is the yellow and that has 120 foot height limit and I believe technically there is a tiny tiny spot that could have a 300t building I don't know how you would engineer this building but there you go and then on the west sub area um you can see here there's no clear there's no spot in the west sub area where you could have up to 300 ft um up to 300 foot building you can only have 55 as shown in the orange area 75 in the blue area or 120 ft maximum height in the yellow area the tc1 district also has some additional development standards that none of the current zoning designations have the tc1 district um says no more than two curb cuts um currently curb cuts are regulated by how many feet of Frontage you have the more feet of Frontage you have the more num the more curb Cuts you can have it's just a simple formula the tc1 district says doesn't matter what the formula says you have two uh the tc1 district also says that parking lots must be behind or next to buildings they must be surrounded by the buildings I will mention that this is a current standard on the books for all districts however every other District except the tc1 says if you're on a corner lot it you only need to be behind or to the side of one of the sides so depends on the perspective just an example I'll say the corner of uh main inhon the building needs to go at the corner of Main and hon but from the Main Street side there's no parking the parking's in the back but if you approach it from the hon side the parking might be on the side in the tc1 district it's say you have to have some sort of L-shaped building or something you have to make that parking not the dominant feature and it has to go behind to the rear um the tc1 district limits the surface area of the parking lot to be either the same as or just slightly larger than the building footprint if you want additional spaces they've got to be in parking structures or underneath the building and parking garage so forth the tc1 district says if you have a site that's about over about an acre and a half you must design it in blocks your building can only be so big and you have to have multiple buildings can't have one giant building and it says the building Frontage must be 70% of the lot width or the block width meaning your building has to be wide and has to go along the sidewalk um spaning the whole lot um and the final set of additional development standards sort of as mentioned the maximum building size is 250 ft wide and 360 ft on the diagonal if you want a bigger building than that fine you have to propose two buildings the buildings have to have a functional entrance on the sidewalk um sidewalks on all sides of the building dwelling units are not permitted within 100 ft of a signalized intersection and buildings except for town houses or apartment buildings must meet the downtown building design requirements for minimum first story height which is 15 ft street level transparency which means how much of your building has is Windows and then there are some rules about the windows themselves then my final slide about um the development standards of the tc1 District compared to others um parking is not done by parking is mostly not done by zoning District it's done by land use and of the dozens of land uses in our table some of them have already have a maximum parking limit and that's mostly one space for three 265 or 250 sare ft phased another way it's about four spaces per thousand but it's about uh one spa or it is one space per 265 or or 250 um and notable land uses that have that maximum are your average size retail um or general offices sometimes for some specifics the uh Financial or medical offices they have a maximum parking limit of one space per 180 Square ft the tc1 um doesn't go by land use it has just a districtwide maximum of one space per 333 Square ft so when you compare the tc1 to U most parking maximums um they do you're allowed to have or you're required to have 25% less than what you would get otherwise but when you compare the tc1 district to Banks or medical dental offices it can actually be 40% more um now that would be a development that is exclusively that type of use but the tc1 district relies on a its proximity to transit to um not uh to reduce those maximums and B it requires on mixed or it relies on mixed uses and mixing time of mixing types of uses mixing time of day requirements you know if you have um non-residential and residential sharing the same parking lot um you can share you can use those spaces um 247 because the offices might be there during the day Apartments might be there um apartment Parkers might be there overnight and the two may not meet um but that is a high level over VI um as I oh I will say that also the um staff report goes through some of our analysis of the benefits and pros and cons as well of the tc1 district um those include how it does achieve um many of our um comprehensive and um uh many of our variety of goals um that are across documents in the transportation plan in the non-motorized plan in our Parks plan in our master plan in our land use plan um the tc1 also is an opportunity to uh unify the zoning along corridors right now you saw in the zoning map it's a lot of different zoning um rules it's a lot to keep track of for residents um what can what is permitted on this property and then what is permitted right next door it's a lot to keep track for developers um this is a more unified approach to um Corridor zoning um um there are some um there are some cons to this though um admit there's always and those include the many of the existing structures will become non-conforming because of their size if they're more than 250 ft wide that's too big in the tc1 district um or maybe for front setback they're setback too far now we those zoning distri districts already have maximum setback so they might already be non-conforming for front setback this would just be changing the flavor of the non-conformity um and we have seen that rezoning might slow the pace of new development we have there has been no new or infield development in uh any existing tc1 District to date um and then I will wrap up by pointing out and as you know we don't normally po point out individual correspondents that have been received um um for any particular topic but um we have three pieces of Correspondence uh one of which is mentioned in the staff report and was in the packet and two of which came after the packet was published and those are not so General those are very specific pieces and so I'll Point those out that one of them was from Oxford companies asking for two lots to be included in the proposed resoning and then the other pieces of Correspondence one is from first Martin Corporation that came on um Monday o October 30th and another from Orchard Hills Maplewood homeowners association that c which is oh mha that came today on November 1st and they are asking for three pieces three lots to be excluded um from the the proposed resoning and again as you know we don't normally mention these things but this is very specific um not it's not a general support not a gen not a general um uh opposition but they were asking for a on the motion um staff is recommending approval I know I glossed over some of the background so as always happy to answer any background questions also happy to answer any more details thank you uh we'll now move to the public hearing this is an opportunity for persons to speak for up to 3 minutes about the proposed resoning we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission than remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely press star n of listening by phone or use the raise hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access call 877 85352 47 and enter meeting ID 977 66 341 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised their hand using the last three digits of your phone number or by name if available for those accessing through the web link you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak when speaking please move to a quiet area and mute television or background sounds so that we may hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time you can approach the podium thank you good evening I'm Elizabeth gallamore address 3139 Plymouth Road and what I wanted to talk about is two things one is I'm in the section between Georgetown and and Commonwealth there are five homes they are zoned residential there are four out of the five that are now rentals what is zoning my other concern is um in the 1990s I spoke before city council about the need for a street light at the end of Georgetown and Plymouth Road for the number of people who had to cross Plymouth Road to get to the bus stop um and they said there would not be a light put there because commuters wouldn't like it in the early 2000s when Steve rapundalo was the mayor I came back to city council and reported on the number of accidents that occur at that corner and how dangerous it is with five lanes and you've got a whole neighborhood trying to to get out of that section he said it would be put in sooner rather than later and city council agreed with him it is not there yet it is 2023 um city council approved a crosswalk it is not at the corner it is down the street on Plymouth Road the problem is if you like me own a minivan you you can't fit your car in that turn lane past that little Gadget they built in the middle of the road to make that left hand turn without worrying about getting hit in the behind aide drivers refuse to make that turn they like I drive the wrong way into the road it's a one-way Street at that point there needs to be a light at Georgetown and Plymouth Road and then I would also like like you to check the zoning on those homes thank you thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission you can approach the podium good evening everyone uh my name is Ena Lee um I'm the um um owner of um um 2765 plos Road um um we have a business there um I opened it up um it's called in Bri bonics um I open it up from scratch in um November 2019 right before Co um so um so now it's um it's four years and my business um is finally you know uh have a really good start finally and then uh up and running so um I just uh read about this resoning activity on anab news and uh it draw my attention because on the one hand I understand that this could be a really great thing to happen to allow um the increase of the uh residential density to um to be close to the north campus area um because uh apparently you know uh I'm actually also um uh a resident um in the uh like at the north campus area so I understand housing can be like very very tight there so um I do understand the need of to increase the density of the um the residential housing there um on the other hand um by looking at the U maps for all these three um three parts along the pral road uh as a tenant not really as a property owner um I just it it wasn't clear to me as far as What's um what the future development of these um corridors or the zones or resoning uh activity will impact my business because um even though I wasn't I wasn't there at the November 26 public meeting uh held at the Trevor wood uh library but um I did read the article and then I I I believe there was another uh resident um named Donna she did bring up she did bring up the concerns about um some similar um resoning and uh Redevelopment of um some downtown areas had already happened and then unfortunately um while the residential Parts fill up like um the uh Redevelopment um the the hope for bringing back the um business uh has not happened and I'm just afraid uh if that's going to happen uh what's going to really like negatively impact um you know a small business like mine and there is a lot of us um in these three parts along pus Road and that's from uh a business P perspective and also as um like um I as I mentioned I'm also a resident uh leaving very close to the north campus five five seconds left okay yeah so then um I I I'm also interested to know like uh are there any plans for like the infrastructure for example the schools all these other things that has to come along to really support the increased residential density there thank thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission thanks Commissioner abon of course I have to have my say k Garber again um first of all I want to say I appreciate all Mr Leo's work on this zoning District in Plymouth Road area in particular um and for her you know clear explanations of the implications I support tc1 Zoning for Plymouth Road um The increased density along the transit Corridor the setback and especially the parking restrictions um I think are really great um but I have an idiosyncratic um kind of comment about the district or tc1 in general as as you know by now I view everything in the world in terms of greenhouse gas emissions it's a depressing way to live but I can't help myself um let me walk you through a thought experiment let's assume that with tc1 zoning we convert a current commuter to an anabor resident that's what we want right um further assume that this person gives up their car completely and walks and bikes everywhere zero driving even for vacation let's even assume no Transit emissions at the average annual missig vehicle mileage of 14,300 M A year driving we will prevent 5.4 metric ton CO2 equivalent emissions annually from this person driving their vehicle great outcome right yes but let's assume that this person will live in a new 1,150 ft apartment or condo heated with fossil gas Consumer Energy cites um this figure 52.9 k BTU per square foot for gas consumption um in new Mid Michigan lowrise multif Family buildings for our hypothetical apartment or condo that comes to 7.9 metric tons CO2 equivalent emissions a year from gas combustion alone that's 2.5 tons more than the 5.4 tons we save by eliminating a motor vehicle so even in the best case scenario we have done nothing for the climate since that person's former residence will still be emitting CO2 in fact we're adding to emissions a lot that's why to make a positive climate impact we have to couple tc1 with building electrification and Net Zero Energy new construction tc1 and higher density by themselves are great but they dig us deeper into a hole when it comes to emissions we can't just build our way out of the climate crisis um in short tc1 can help if it's part of a comprehensive solution unfortunately I see no such Solution on the table so tonight um I support a yes vote on tc1 but I think there has to be the recognition that this is a very very partial solution to any kind of climate uh change mitigation thank you thank you hi would you like to address the commission yes my name is LEF gallamore and I live at 3139 pouth Road and um I've listened to the presentations tonight in terms of uh the resultant of the pouth road area the one concern that I have is what happens to those five houses that's located along Plymouth Road across from the the water tower if you're familiar with that area because um not CL I'm not quite sure uh clear in terms of what uh is being proposed for that particular area with a resoning request that you're making so is there some way that I can get some clarification on that I would appreciate it thank you thank you is there anybody else present who would like to address the commission okay mix Kelly is there anybody online there are there five hands raised right now the first caller is phone number ending in 348 you have permission to address the commission for three minutes hi my name is Jane Kingston I serve on the board of Orchard Hills Maplewood homeowners association and I also have a residence at 750 uh Georgetown and 3347 Alor Court um well thank you very much for considering removing the three properties that were mentioned earlier uh I would also like to make you aware that all the Lots in Plymouth Park from 21 uh 20001 all the way up to Michigan house 2301 are deed restricted from being reson pc1 uh 31 pets also I believe is uh DED restricted in campus Heights and uh there are two others on green that I heard are being added uh 2500 Plymouth and the parel split on have land use uh restrictions inconsistent with dc1 including height and footprint uh you might want to also consider re recheck all the PS aren't also deed restricted also any additions for recent petitions to be included would reset the process uh for uh due process notification should go to all persons with property interests uh instead of just the ones uh listed on the properties the owners so please make sure everyone is included uh and I also ask why is Planning Commission rezoning PS to tc1 it's a setback for planning uh city planning to seek uh sorry it's a setback for City Planning because uh the state law already gives planning a great deal of influence on the design and land use on pugs for urban planning including for more housing um but the flexibility isn't permitted in tc1 also puds are deed restricted to their site plans resoning reopens their site plans and development agreements and any with condom and projects how just been tracked with the city attorneys in the past they have seated and withdrawn resoning from PUD parcel to p on green while I support urban planning and War housing inol ful appropriate locations please consider dropping these properties or tbling them to be uh sure they're lawfully compliance to State Property law the Michigan zoning enabling act s of property owners indeed restrictions on land and land use and zoning as does the Michigan courts please by abide by them please also consider tling properties with Frontage on green without direct driveway access to pet Road as inconsistent to dc1 Green Road isn't a Transit Corridor the area north of Green Road post office is exclusiv mid density mid multif family and PUD housing parks and schools the residental area is largely deed restricted and inconsistent with pc1 unlike smth Road and other tc1 corri is not M do classified and doesn't permit commercial Transit on Green Road I don't know if that was my time warning but thank you very much for the consideration I hope that out of time thank you our next caller is Libby Benton you have permission to address Planning Commission for three minutes great hello hi my name is hi my name is Libby Benton I live at 2359 Prairie Street and I'm calling uh to support the tc1 resoning um this uh would reone properties that are just at the end of our street and I strongly support it our neighborhood we move to the neighborhood because it is such a nice walkable Community we can get to schools uh my son's daycare grocery stores raid restaurants bars uh it's really libraries it's really a lovely place um and we'd really like to see the neighborhood move in the direction of being more walkable and more Transit oriented and having more development um and that and more housing and that final point is really what's most important to me because it's um you know a neighborhood that has a lot of sense of community and a lot of opportunities and I really want more families of all income levels to be able to live in a neighborhood like this one our next door neighbor who is one of the original owners in this subdivision shared with me that when the development was built though there are no restrictive covidence that the developer had a policy of not selling to African-Americans um and so I know that this you know rezoning can't write that wrong um in in no way but I do think that we need to be cognizant of the way that these neighborhoods were built as they currently are were very exclusive um and it's not distant history you know it's not theoretical you know many of those families that were able to purchase homes are still living here um and are still you know got to live in nice houses for 60 years and are selling them now and making $ 4400 $500,000 so um I just think that that is an aspect to think about too and supporting this and making our neighborhoods um in an arbor more open to all so thank you and please vote yes thank you our next caller is Adam Goodman you have permission to address the commission hi good evening my name is Adam Goodman I'm calling from 400 Virginia Avenue which is on the west side of Van Arbor so not particularly close to Plymouth Road but I I am close to West Stadium which is one of the corridors that is already been reson to tc1 and you know one of I'm I'm here to say a few things but first of all the sky has not Fallen uh West Stadium looks much as it did before so as Mr Leo pointed out tc1 is maybe if anything had had the effect of slowing development which you know that's that's not what I think a lot of us ultimately want to see however I think in in the near term at least it's okay because for me TC 1 is as much about what it prevents as what it allows what it prevents is the the sort of um cycle of car dependent sprawl development that we've locked ourselves into for the last you know at least 50 years probably more like 70 years uh what was getting proposed along West Stadium before was things like drive through banks just one after another driveth through in fact tc1 Reon didn't happen soon enough there is another yet another drive-through Bank under construction right now um however there was one that was stopped that is on 2060 West Stadium that site had previously been considered for drive- through banks and self storage facilities things that our community on this side of town clearly did not want um what has been most recently proposed on that site is affordable housing uh and I don't know if that proposal is actually going to you know get all the way through get built but just the fact that this is the conversation we're having now instead of a drive-through Bank feels like real substantial progress to me and so I want to see all of the corridor you know Plymouth and Wast not rezoned you know as as soon as they can be and if anything my only complaint about this whole process has been that it has taken so long to get to where we are now and we're still not done um so I hope you will advance this rezoning tonight without delay thank you thank you our next caller is phone number ending in 675 you've permission to address the commission phone number ending in 675 are you with us uh perhaps we can Circle back to uh this caller at the end of the queue uh Kirk Westfall you have permission to address the commission for 3 minutes thank you uh good evening Kirk West Fall 355 Charter Place approximately one mile from the nearest uh proposed tc1 resoning uh just calling to voice my strong support for the city initiated resoning as soon as possible um as articulated by a a prior caller I'm particularly in favor um in that once it's applied it will it will stop the corridor from retrenching further into Suburban uses and autod dominated development uh and it will also ensure that any future development whenever that comes will meaningfully meet our sustainab uh sustainability Transit walkability and mixed use goals um my only regret about this item um um other than it hasn't happened sooner is that uh it's not being applied more broadly um for example just looking at the western part of it um I'm curious why the the U-Haul uh I think site wasn't included or for that matter why it didn't go all the way down into Lower Town um I am uh happy that the Green Court folks um are looking to ask for tc1 inclusion um I I highly recommend that um once this this zoning is applied and goes through the process um I think that would be a great addition that part of Green Road is a a very frequent Transit Corridor not just the triple ATA you know with that park and ride there and northward but also all the blue buses that um go through that part of town um I'm I I would struggle to think of what commercial properties in the city that we actually wouldn't want tc1 given how it tapers down to residential um even shorter than um the 55 ft once you get closer to residential as outlined in the in the ordinance um and lastly I just ask you please not to postpone this item because of uh legal matters between private parties this shouldn't impact the city's uh pace of business and can be dealt with between those parties um at a later date thank you for your consideration and uh I support thank you thank you our next caller is Michelle Hughes you have permission to address the commission hi um I'm also in support of this I'm in support of um anything that gets people walking and biking and stuff like that not needing a car is basically the reason that I've lived in an arbor for 20 years I um I was going to college in 1998 and I grew up in um uh in the East Lancing area so I was familiar with the Michigan State campus but then when I came to U ofm I really liked how um it was a lot less sprawling and you could go from places to live to places to do business to places to go to school and I want more people to have that experience so um we should um we should do this I I I've heard it said before like the reason that the reason that a lot of people have um the reason that a lot of people have such fond memories of their college Years is because that's the only time they spent living in a walkable Community um we should let people live in a walkable Community all the time um not just when they're college students uh so yeah TC won this let's do it um oh also you know I I've got another story um I've got a girlfriend that lives up in that area um on Green Road and um she lives in she has no car um and she lives in an apartment building and I think a lot of the people in that apartment building have no cars the bike rack is always just jam-packed full and there's always tons of parking there that is jam-packed empty um and um so yeah I'd like to see more people more more housing for people less housing for cars because that's what people actually want um thank you thank you and uh we are back with caller ending in 675 you can press star six to unmute yourself you do have permission to speak if you would like to try addressing the commission I'm just confirming that the caller is unmuted should have permission to speak um sorry technical problem are you hearing me now yeah we can hear you ah sorry i' unmute twice uh Brad Brit's calling 3030 Lexington so I live about a mile and a half north of Plymouth off Nixon Road um first let me commend all the planning staff uh from everything I've seen um M and others are doing very very thorough work and I can't say enough good things about that so I appreciate that um all of this said I really want to like tc1 I really do we need more affordability we need sustainability density can help us get there but there's some devils in the details and I have three I'd like to touch on two I've already mentioned in a written correspondents so I won't belabor them the first there's a lot of moving parts to make this thing work and particularly Transit well if Transit is key let's get the transit people involved um and we won't get rid of auto transportation so I believe in our system we need the engineering department involved sustainability depends on building codes uh zoning can't address any of those but we have a comprehensive plan let's do that why the rush as was mentioned no projects on Stadium have been done yet to my knowledge none down on the uh near the the briwood area um let's take our time a second Point um I attended a resident meeting a few weeks ago at the library there's a mention in the staff report that uh summary is included as an attachment I didn't see that I hope that others did I my observation was about 3 to one folks opposing this so please pay attention to the residents a third is a personal point my wife and I both have reduced Mobility um we're still able to get around but we're we're not going to be riding bikes ever sadly that's done and 15minute walks are not really realistic either so tc1 has carrots and sticks for drivers let's keep the carrots the get rid of the sticks please I I I wanted to come up with a satire song on from The Music Man to say you got trouble right here you got trouble in an armor City you got a drivethru in your community please it's not that big a deal all right so I thank you for your consideration and I will relinquish byebye thank you uh there are no other callers um Vice chair if I may the last caller mentioned uh a summary of the 1012 Outreach meeting that was referenced in the staff report it is correct that that was um fortunately omitted from the packet we're going to try to correct that issue right now and as we've been sitting here we do have one more caller it is posted online I'm hearing on the website uh for the tc1 project page thank you mix Kelly and planner Leo we have one more caller who wants to speak great we do just one moment uh there are actually two more callers Brian Chambers you have permission to address the commission thank you um I am calling in in support of tc1 for Plymouth Road as well as watch on when you get to it um I support it for all of the reasons other callers have already mentioned but I want to add an additional Dimension um the University of Michigan has uh grown at a compounded growth rate over the past 20 years um just around uh 2% per year uh the student enrollment increased another 2% between 22 and 23 for the start of the fall semester and when I went to the land use um planning session uh for 2050 that the university is now conducting um one of the leads on the Sasaki team uh said that they're also running scenarios of continued growth and and including that 2% um growth metric um compounded year-over-year so um over the past 20 years at 2% compounded growth uh the Anarbor campus students and employment increased by [Music] 35,600 if that growth continues to 2050 um one of the scenarios it's not a commitment by the U it'll increase by another 73,000 on campus that's student enrollment increases of 25,000 and employment of um just over 50,000 so we need density we need walkable City adjacent to Transit adjacent to the university um otherwise we're going to inundate be inundated with traffic congestion so I'm very much in support of this uh even if they grow at only half that rate uh there's still going to be an increase of 32,000 um which is roughly equivalent to the past 20 years so we're going to have continued pressure on home prices in man Arbor um it's still a go-to address that people want um and building out increased density in all of these tc1 areas is vitally important I'd also like to make a plug however for the downtown core we've got two Regional Transit centers AAA and amtr and um I know the comprehensive plan is on going and hopefully will address the downtown core um if it's not part of that assignment I would encourage you to make it one for Regional Transit centers to have two of them um in close proximity to each other you would actually want inv best practices for uh sustainability and so on purposes a population of about 10,000 within a quarter to half mile area um there's other properties being considered for hotels I I'd suggest they they don't count for residential housing um but we need to really increase housing in the downtown core to make a complete Transit oriented development capacity especially with the University's projected uh growth rates we have to change structurally what and how aror operates we can't ignore the University thank you thank you our finer final caller is Eric Zer you have permission to address the commission hello uh this is Eric zacher you pronounce it perfectly thank you very much I'm a neighbor to the north of this uh tc1 resoning I live on Prairie 2435 Prairie if I have to be exact and I live just a Stones Throw north of Plymouth Road here next to an elementary school and I just wanted to talk a little bit about the historic area here this area was historically developed in the 1960s uh planning departments at that time thought Urban revitalization was using Urban freeways and more car traffic and Easy in Easy Out access to strip malls uh this area very much reflects that in the single mile between the freeway and the area by trawood there there's like seven banks with drive-throughs there's three fast foods uh there's all the shopping in the area in single use strip malls with poor bike and pedestrian infrastructure and despite all of that uh this area is still quite walkable a lot of the people that live in the area that are lucky enough to live in homes or apartments or town houses uh use the amenities quite frequently and we don't have everything we want up here we don't have an ice cream parlor anymore uh but we have a lot and the things that we don't have are mixed use areas we don't have uh affordable housing in the area anymore I was lucky enough to buy in when I could afford it I couldn't afford it now I think that's wrong and I think this area of town deserves better uh it's my home and I love being able to B the walk to where I need to go but other people should be able to afford that too I heard another caller earlier say why the rush uh I think about the most recent developments in this Corridor a Big Boy Restaurant was turned into a drive-through Panera Wendy's is turning into a Taco uh an office building at the end of my street is turning into a Credit Union so why the rush I would say we can do better that's why the rush uh people are already redeveloping things we might as well tell them what we want in the area and we know from Community input that we don't want more Banks we don't want more drive-throughs we want more livable area we want a better walkable peaceful area up here more of what we already have uh so I really do encourage you to continue on this path with tc1 uh reone the area don't listen to restrictive covenant between two private parties because that is not the city's business uh we should just rezone as our planning staff has designed this thank you very much thank you all right seeing no other callers or speakers we will close the public hearing I will read the proposed motion the Anarbor City Planning Commission hereby recommends that the mayor and city council approve amendments to the zoning map a part of chapter 55 UniFi development code to designate the zoning classification of parcels in the Plymouth Road area as tc1 and designate certain lengths of Plymouth Road as Transit Corridor Street type as shown on the attached ordinance moved by commissioner survey seconded by commissioner will Mill excuse me uh we're in discussion is there anybody who would like to kick off our discussion commissioner W all right uh well thanks so much for the staff presentation as well as for the comments I think regarding the five houses that the inhouse uh commenter spoke about they are not under consideration for the tc1 zoning is that correct that is correct they their current zoning will remain as it is they are not part of the rezoning I don't have an answer uh for you on what might happen to a retailer who decides to um take advantage of tc1 and transform the uh tenant space that you own because they'd have to meet the criteria of the zoning which I believe would be a two-story if they were doing a sub ative remodel not just a like a facade change but if they were changing square footage or for plan or something that would require the the second story and then that would have a direct impact but that could happen today uh it's not um a factor of tc1 it could happen depending on what the owner of your um your space would want to do with that space so there's not a real clean answer for that but thank you for uh bringing the comment uh for our consideration ation I have two questions uh for you misso uh one is will your slides which are not your staff report be available uh yes they will be I was just waiting for the to actually present them tonight and then tomorrow morning I will post them online thank you so much and then um the I don't think you spoke about the affordable housing premium in your height limits I did not okay did you is there a reason why you did that that you would like to share with us just brevity and complexity okay um that would but it applies to every single zoning District so um there is an exception to the height limits and any project in any zoning District um can increase their height by 30% if they meet one of two criteria their choice one if they are an affordable housing project um and there's a definition for that or if they are a sustainable development and there's a definition for that a sustainable development generally is one that is fully electrified um and has solar panels on the roofs um and so but because it applies to every single zoning District already the the same Graphics applies just add just change the top numbers but the proportionality Remains the Same great thank you so much commissioner Mills um I have a couple of questions first I wanted to just address one other thing which is to be clear that zoning and occupancy are separate so zoning just says kind of what uses how whether that space is rented or owner occupied is is not tied to the zoning itself so that's one of the things to know kind of within our zoning code um the other thing that I think the rest of questions about changes to the map or like things in things out so deed restrictions are how can you help me understand how that isra is not tied to zoning uh zoning views deed restrictions as something that you do outside and separate the zoning is the city regulating the land and a deed restriction um unless the city puts it there but a deed restriction is something that a private property owner puts on their own land or somehow negotiates agrees to put on others and so that is a uh for an owner of that property that I assume they would need to comply with both but the city stays in our lane of zoning and Zoning we do not um enforce seed restrictions we don't um require them generally require them so this would be something from a the property owner perspective it would be above and beyond but we view them as a self um self-created self-imposed and and if they would like to continue to abide by them that is fine so one of the things that's in my mind is like that they have that agreement that they entered into I'm I'm trying to think through if we do reone it does it pose any additional burden or hardship like or is it going to lead to some unintended consequence of because of non-conformities that are created I'm I I can't really say I don't know exactly what the deed res restrictions say um it may make it it may make it very hard for someone with a deed restriction on their property to to then redevelop per the tc1 standards um and so maybe they can't redevelop um as maybe they'll have to address that um we have run across some they're not deed restrictions but we've run across in our workings with tc1 and rezonings some Property Owners um commercial property owners saying I have signed leases where I have promised I would not have such and such a tenant or I promised I would not develop put a building in front of this building and the Planning Commission and City council's response has been okay we'll wait them out then um we'll wait out those leases so again with these deed restrictions I don't know what they exactly say I don't know if there'll be an unattended consequence but it's a private that's a deed restriction that that they agree to and they put on and if they would it can remain there and I think the consequence is they may find it hard hard to redevelop under the tc1 standards can you would it be possible for you to bring up the map because we're talking about so that we can talk the deed restriction make sure that I'm right is linked to the first Martin email saying we don't want to be rezoned um right and if you can point out which Parcels it is that we're talking about and also while you've got East up I think all of my other questions are about East too okay uh yeah give me a second I'm going to pull up just our our our map not the one from the presentation but this has all the layers parcel information zoning so forth I was going to say I've got the zoning map up on my computer too cuz that's yeah but I couldn't 100% figure out which Parcels we were talking about yeah all right so the first one I'm going to call I'm going to focus in I guess on 2000 Commonwealth because it's right next door to I'm going to pull it up and then I'm going to screen share because that's probably what everyone wants right I do talk to myself after 9 o' I don't give myself a time limit I just do it all day long sorry I'll fill this space like and just be vulnerable there if I can um oops nope I got one more thing to click on here okay um if I move it it will go away but uh here is 2000 you see the 2,000 is this visible at all y there's a 2,000 so here it is I can take off the Zoning for a minute and it's this Orange um color that indicates PUD but here's a um uh here it is just with it's got a building there and it's um gray I can even make it um nope wrong button I can make I can do that uh but so here is 2,000 Commonwealth um and I think that this is is the one to the west of it yeah I got the parcels are gone somehow there're no the parcels are there um no I think it's up here maybe it's here yeah yeah it's here there is 2001 Commonwealth so it's Carson's beastro and the bank so part of this is PUD but it's not the entirety of the Pud it's currently Zone PUD but the rest of that corner is all PUD y too and then the other part is the frontage along Plymouth but that is currently zoned according to the zoning map re e right 2001 is owned re 2000 is owned PUD got it so that it is at a tail is better to me than it was in the middle but I'm still I welcome other people's thoughts on that part um kind of how to handle that actually related to this though a question about puds and in our and your encyclopedic knowledge of all of the tc1 rezonings that we've done so far how common is it that we have rezoned puds well it's not super common at all there was one uh PUD in the West Stadium area that we did rezone and there was I think there was one in state and Eisenhower um generally it's not common but I would say this it's not common to do a city initiated resoning either okay but in but I mean there are effective we're not rezoning residential that's one that's part of our like tc1 we have not been rezoning resid so I was just trying to think about like which are the districts that we tend to incl like as eligible for rezoning and so that's what I'm trying to understand here yeah um my encyclopedic knowledge is failing me at this exact moment but the intent of the p tc1 district talks about it is for districts it is for land that is already zoned for commercial or mixed use or non-residential purposes okay and that was our line that we chose to self-impose that this is this is a um renovation or a transformation of our mixed use districts this is not to expand our non-residential footprint in the city um this was just to transform um what we will be getting in these districts in those in what are currently non-resident they could be allowed like residentials allowed in them now in most many of them now we're just not getting it and this is to help us correct all of our mixed juice districts already allow residential right okay great so I'm I'm on the fence of like not excluding them I'll be honest like I would just say keep them in and their deed restriction is going to do their deed restriction thing now that you've got the map though if you can move a little bit to the East and to the north I want to talk about the there's two more things on my list and then I'll stop but one is the the petition to in include property which when I'm actually and I'm glad that you're looking at the zoning map because the inclusion is all currently office or what is what the petitioner or what somebody who wrote To Us wants to include his his currently office but what I found weird is that creates a little donut around a credit union which I don't think that we should have a donut around a credit union and then it leaves just the um the post office kind of hanging out there as the only office in this stretch so I would just say I I am not opposed to extending that especially since they are sharing the parking lot poent that they're already connected at least according to the letter but I'm not comfortable leaning a donut that is not unz that is that has that has not been that is on the corridor that is not part of this so can you think can you talk us through like the process or does that make sense to you too or think about why these were not included yeah um I I'll help you with two parts but I can't help you with a third okay um tell in terms of the process um you have a motion before you that states um words words words um as shown on the attached ordinance and so to include you would make amend that motion to say something along the lines of plus parcel or parcel was street address 2350 Green Road or whatever address you'd like to add or you can amend the mo and or you can amend the Motions to say accept strike line number something something out of the ordinance so that's the process that you would use um in terms of why it wasn't included um we took our um most educated best guess about what the and hearing the feedback from other tc1 petitions about and where the boundaries ultimately landed for those and we tried to apply that experience to this um proposal and it is a proposal and we chose Parcels that front or are somehow connected maybe through a parking lot to Plymouth Road and we didn't go many Parcels deep past the corridor um now there is no necessar necessarily right or wrong answer but this was our the petition that we assembled on behalf of the Planning Commission um and presented and we received feedback from the public hearings uh I didn't mean that I meant public meetings um and some working sessions and um and that's why we did or didn't I think these um Parcels up on Green Road um I think you can work your way back through uh parking they they North on Green Road and I think they they are interconnected but they don't have a direct connection to Plymouth they have a connection to green and that was our logic like I said it's not to say that that is the the only answer that can be arrived the third part which I will just have to turn back to the planning to the Planning Commission as a whole body whatever you re this is your recommendation for rezoning to city council and so you can use that procedure mechanism to add or remove addresses from the ordinance has there been any discussion or any we didn't we got a letter from Oxford about the what's shown in it's in the in the letter in Orange I'm thinking of is the orange Edition um has there been any discussion with the community or the credit union that that it creates the donut around well I have not called the credit union myself and they have not called in okay so again I I welcome others thoughts on that on the on the parcels North on Green Road but personally I don't think we should do it with the donut so um then finally go south on Green Road to Green Court because now I'm confused from the postponement earlier and I didn't necessarily see that in the packet maybe I missed it so similarly can you explain to us the Green Court the rationale for the postponement and how that links to this it's AB budding this but I didn't see anything that was like a formal proposal to be included um perhaps there has been a communication snafu um to my knowledge the planning department uh or myself or the planning manager have not received a letter that said to the effect dear Planning Commission please include us I understand there's been talk um and I wasn't I I missed the first 10 minutes of the meeting was there any any talk so I don't know if there's been a formal request or not formal request um you don't necessarily need a formal request the Planning Commission as a body is free to amend the motion as they see fit I may have misspoke I did state that uh earlier in the meeting um but misso would have the most up-to-date specifics or manager Leonard yeah my understanding is that they uh essentially intend to ask for that parcel to be included they have not we had been striving to get that written request from them uh by this meeting we that has not been received that I've seen to date um it could happen after the Planning Commission before this progresses to city council and I think based on that that was part of the reason for the postponement that if this were to be included in reone to tc1 they might very well then end that PUD petition if for some reason the the city council once they do request again we wanted to raise it um if it's included here or not or if it's included at city council or not that could have an outcome um I think it is important to pause that I would I would suggest that it's this is a really unique circumstance because the city's initiating the rezoning it's frankly relatively easy to add it into that process um that is distinct from what I would never bring to competing rezoning petitions to the Planning Commission on a parcel but um because of this direction from the council and from this being City initiated it seem warranted to raise the possibility for this site when we discussed the Pud a couple weeks ago I don't even know how many whatever um I think that the tc1 makes a whole lot more sense rather than locking into a PUD that that than yeah so I'm supportive of that I'm curious if it if notice wise for the process like if it if it Flags anything else at all in terms of who was mailed postcards and what happens going forward in this because we did mail we did mail that things um well yeah um the plls are on the table so in including the Commonwealth properties from first Martin and excluding the properties on Green from op Oxford to the north and whatever it is to the so um that that was um public hearing notices were sent out to everyone uh within 300 ft with that list attached that exact list attached to it um they are mailed to both property owners and Resident occupant tenants um and that was factual at the time that was uh correct as to what is was proposed here for this public hearing um the city council and their sta staff and the clerks office mails out public hearing notices for public hearings at the city council and if they are not the same as the Planning Commission then par they'll be picked up before picked up or dropped yes okay great so if there's a process to include that then that makes me feel a whole bot more comfortable going both north and south on Green Road and I would strongly I would very much support if there's any other interest in an amendment that would add on the all of the green court stuff but again I don't want to create a donut I would want to rezone I would want to extend tc1 to the entirety of the orange block that we are seeing on the screen right now which I think is all the Pud right or whatever is currently the orange block on the screen um on the E east side of Green Road is the PE yeah and so I know what was before us before was part of it or I think I can't remember anyway the whole thing the whole thing is I think I would be amenable to extending resoning to all of that and similarly going north I'm that just seems sensible to me the then I'm I just have one more question and that is we don't have anything that has been we'd haven't had anything built in tc1 but what are you hearing what is Staff hearing like are there proposals working their way through are people saying we don't like it like here's what's wrong with tc1 and we're not going to build anything like what's it takes a while to get through the process so what's do we think that this is a workable zoning District uh I certainly think it's a workable zoning District we're hearing a lot of calls sort of the I want to double check the standards uh do I have my concept do I have my sketch right we we're getting more of those compared to other districts but the other districts have been around for a lot longer um it's my personal opinion that um it's very much Corridor by Corridor I think the stadium Corridor as an example um there's not a lot of vacancies on Stadium Boulevard um it's pretty strong and strong commercial Corridor so I don't think there's I don't think the reason matter there wasn't much pressure or incentive to redevelop it's doing well it's probably making money for its businesses and land owners um and you need that trigger when things are going well everybody's happy with the status quo and um and I think also we we've had actually more inquiries about those concept I have got a sketch am do I have my standards correct for state and Eisenhower I think there's more vacant land or more undeveloped land in state in Eisenhower um pouth Road the area it's pretty strong there are AR too many vacancies either I would imagine it also would be slow to see development because it's slow now it there's only been a handful of of Redevelopment um proposals under the current zoning designations because it's pretty strong so I think it I think it will take time I I'm just saying this is my gut this is not because I have a whole slew of fact or figures or a crystal ball but you're not hearing we there's something there's some requirement in tc1 that is actually hindering development cuz we are requiring I mean yeah right now they could under current zoning they could do a twostory building they could do a four-story building but they but I'm not hearing the two-story building part I'm hearing a little bit of the lot width um lot withth might be a little difficult and then the the block the the block size especially from some people who are trying to design a very large block and they're saying um I'm going to break myself down into say maybe four or five blocks two or three of them probably can be 250 but I'm left with this piece that's like too big or too small um I think there there's some desire for a little bit of uh flexibility a little bit of averaging but that's what I'm not I'm not hearing much about the two-story requirement um and I'm not hearing of all the development standards what I'm hearing more is um some of the standards people seem to wish that there was an average and not a hard line and that's something that can be talked about in the future okay thank you commissioner dish thank you first I want to say this is an amazing staff report and I thank you very much um the work that staff has been doing on everything related to tc1 the step backs and this has really been beautiful and I want to thank you um also thank you very much um uh neighborhood people who have come to ask us questions so um I want I I want to take a stab at addressing M Lee's questions um and yeah I see you good you're you're I can barely see you over the podium but I thought you stayed so I want to underscore something that Miss Deo just said which is that development along this Corridor is likely to be slow because it is slow now and I want to reaffirm that um the the building that you are in parts of the building itself uh currently if your landlord wanted to sell that building or develop it themselves they could build a 55 foot structure so that's like a four story is right if if they wanted to do that they could already do it so the reason zoning will make parts of that building possible it it'll give an extra twostory two stories probably for parts of that building um and then parts of the parking lot could go as high as 120 ft and so I think sometimes it's an assumption that when we permit greater height we are creating wealth and we are adding value now if if there were a desire to maximize value through greater height like I said 55 ft is already permitted and we're not seeing your landlord selling the building and wanting to develop it in those terms rezoning at tc1 what effect does it have well it does permit greater height but it but it makes some in some ways it makes development more expensive than currently because of the parking restrictions right um it does not allow for the kind of surface parking that's there and so if you were going to have a taller building you are going to need more parking especially if it's mixed use and that means that you are going to have to build parking structured parking either underneath or somehow inside your building and that's expensive so we are adding height which possibly adds wealth but we are then taking some of that wealth back by making the parking more expensive so I don't have a crystal ball I know that that uh building if I'm remembering what right was built in ' 62 I think so from the list of properties and if I'm wrong correct me and if I'm wrong I'm Wrong by a decade it'd be 70 but I think it's 62 so it's not the youngest building in the world but it is working very well it has a number of very vibrant small businesses and so I do not know what the calculus your landlord might be making I don't know what that would be um and so I understand your concerns about what could happen if that if the building that if the structure that you are in were sold and redeveloped the other thing to know is that just as is has happened at the very front edge of Plymouth where the Starbucks and the Apothecare shop are this is something that tc1 makes easier that you can develop in a space without demolishing what's already there there's a lot of parking lot there that if someone wanted to develop uh they could use it without destroying the current mall with all the buildings that are there um it's a little odd it would be a little odd because it's sort of parking between the bank and the and those other shops but nonetheless I'm just trying to run with you all the scenarios that are possible and there's absolutely nothing I can say to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about but my sense too is that Redevelopment that might involve displacing all of those buildings would not happen overnight immediately you know but it's some it's also a discussion that yall could try to have with your landlord but again if that person were interested in developing to a greater height they already could and they haven't made that move so um I'm sorry I'm repeating myself but I want to be clear um okay I'm really glad commissioner Mills asked the questions about the inclusions and the exclusions in terms of the inclusions the the inclusion on green that would create the doughnut if we did it exactly as it were asked for would involve repurposing office space correct am I am I correct in that is it currently zoned office and occupied by office well we want to encourage that so I feel like I'd like to have us include that and again correct me if I'm misunderstanding something but my understanding of tc1 is is that it is a district that we are applying and fixing in place in some parts of the city but can also be done by request so if we have a request at the same time as we are fixing that applying that area um why don't we just incorporate it rather than making somebody go through a cumbersome request process you know somebody who has a a it sounded like from the way Mr Chang was talking about it a sort of um historically very curious and unique PUD but I don't know that we want to just keep it because it's it's historically very interesting and curious why don't we give it an available zoning decision which is uh zoning designation which is what we prefer we don't prefer to have puds when we have a zoning designation that that can accomplish the same purposes so I would be happy with those in clusions from M deo's response about deed uh deed restrictions and stuff it doesn't it doesn't sound like we're hurting anything by resoning to tc1 we may not get anything out of it but it doesn't sound like we are we kind of don't have any business in those deed restrictions and so it doesn't sound like our action affects them and if I am missing something that's more nuanced which is very often the case please add Nuance I always appreciate that commissioner s finally we're here thank you for bringing this um I guess relative to the in out how I kind of maybe filter a little differently is things as asking to be in donut or not it reduces the burden on a property owner relative to requesting resoning so if we do not include it they could still request rezoning to tc1 and create a donut well requiring a lot more front-end process and cost that gets rolled up into the tenants so I'm actually okay with donut because it's less cost directed then to the end user um so in thumbs up how requested uh the out I will read the first two Clauses of the um the deed restriction because they're specific about these two Parcels the owner's land on the east side of the Commonwealth Boulevard shall be rezoned to office except for the first lot off of Plymouth which shall be rezoned to P there's a little bit more and then the other says the only property the owner the only property of the owner to be rezoned on the west side Commonwealth be the first lot which will be rezoned to office so the only thing I read in there that can create sticky points is that the deed restriction requires the owner to Zone these things PUD in office which means we may see these things come back for request to re Zone them from tc1 back into P like so like that's just a condition that we may see that I guess similar to the in if if there's potential for development still within those cool like to get more stuff out of them as they're zoned but it sounds like there's no potential for development if they get rezoned at least on my par learn reading of this thing so I I'm really kind of looking at it and like what is site plan like when are right which is like pre rezoning or not on some of these things to reduce steps in a development process and so that's just kind of my filter um I it helps that there's a couple more steps in this process uh when it goes to city council for all of these uh Property Owners to have further discussions because it does feel like all of these came within the last week um and so in all letters if they were included or excluded at this time conversations can continue so I'm not going to lose sleep over where it lands in either case here um but that would just be kind of my filter of the reading uh and where the opportunities and the hardships lie for each of those properties um but overall I look forward to welcoming hopefully more residents with new development here maybe they be renters or owners because both are part of our community and both are residents commissioner Weatherby so I wasn't here for the previous tc1 and I don't want to make this wicked stick year but um when I look at some of these spaces like all of Commonwealth is there a reason that all of Commonwealth isn't tc1 and then there's um if we go back to the center Central like where the Google building is is there a reason that I'm looking at the map and pointing you can't see what I'm pointing but um you know we already have like where there's office or Park parking and they're ringed by residential or streets is there a reason that they I think you explained that because they connected to the Main Street um but like it it seems like we're leaving little bits of office or that that actually is going to be more confusing moving forward because it's not tc1 but it's like the one building or there are three buildings that aren't but most of them are or everything across the street is tc1 but these are office and it seems like in all of these places there's a pretty distinct cut off which is either residential or the main road that we could kind of instead of having a line it would be more of a blob and and I'm just like I think my preference because I think it gets confusing when it's there's office for one building and then the next building is tc1 and then the building after that is parking or like that that having some sort of more distinct areas it seemed like the east side on green North and South Commonwealth and then the little strip between um hon Parkway and traverwood down to Plymouth that that they're pretty distinct areas that could all be tc1 in my opinion but I don't know if that just makes this more complicated and as we move forward but but I would be very comfortable including more things in the tc1 designation any other comments um oh sorry were you flagging me I missed your subtle Q um commissioner Weiss notice I unmuted myself um it's just a point of a clarification um I had said that the um public meeting summary was uh posted online and that was wrong the frequently asked questions document is on the website the Planning Commission if I have this correct we have since posted the meeting summary to the p pet and it the been refreshed so and I believe you've been emailed a link so to anyone watching if you go use our agenda service you'll see that document as well um and it may or may not have been also while I'm talking published to the website but no matter um first thing tomorrow morning the slide deck and if needed the public meeting summary will be posted to the project website um and the like I said the packet links have already been refreshed thank you are there any other comments for discussion so uh I'm trying to read the table in terms of this inclusion exclusion question it seems like there are a couple proposals on the table maybe a follow-up question to what you were saying commissioner s um my understanding is that what commissioner Mills was proposing would be to include the two Parcels that Oxford has requested on Green Road and also include the parcel that we did not receive a request for so I think that would meet your desires commissioner so to include Oxford's Parcels as a way of making it e making the burden making it less burdensome for them to rezone by including it in the city initiated zoning okay so that um are there any objections to including those three Parcels then and Mr Leo you're confirming that there's no con nothing out of sorts in terms of process and notification to include this third parcel on green that we did not receive a formal request for inclusion right that's the the public hearing and the deliberation process is that you are not bound by what is exactly in front of you you are free to um uh amend the motion any motion great maybe while I'm talking somebody could track down the address for that so that if we when it comes time to do it you oh oh oh can you let me know what that is uh yep uh the address for that um piece up on Green Road is 2400 Green Road okay um and I've got the parcel ID number um do you think I need to read that out loud officially I don't think so okay so I'm going to read the three Street when it comes time the three street addresses yes okay okay and then in terms of Green Court uh is there anybody who wants to discuss further or is opposed to including the property on Green Court commissioner Mills so I just pulled up the UDC again and just want to make sure in our intent statement or our purpose statement it just want to be clear it doesn't list puds it says say this District may replace o r e o l CB1 cb3 whatever it should only replace other zoning designations in unique and rare circumstances when another zoning district is entirely surrounded by the specifically mentioned districts so to your point um commissioner Weatherby like that's what caused me to look this up like what were our stipulations because what we said before was the and then the second the second thing is that all parcel Zone tc1 should be no more than a half a mile from a Transit stop and and on the South Side this those Parcels totally meet that it's right across the street from a parking ride like it's great um I don't know about the Google partial that you're talking about in particular I think so I mean every there's a it's hard to be more than a half a mile from transit stop in an arbor um but I just thought I would bring that up I think that tc1 is the best District that we got for this what is currently a PUD that wants to be a new kind of PUD like I will say that I just want to remind us of the purpose statement that we have and I don't think that this is going to surround it it doesn't make sense to go beyond it maybe this is a rare circumstance in that it is initiated like self or city initiated I don't know I I don't know if staff has any guidance that we were specifically talking about the Pud on the south like yeah yeah so um if if you are interested in extending that for those reasons I would recommend that you add the parcels um again the geography being proposed here was in response to the Council direction we we discussed the geography with the planning commission based on uh um an emphasis on the Plymouth Road Corridor in this in this sense um you know we have had other property for example we've had one other property in the stadium area that was off of the corridor and applying some of the um Transit Centric uh design standards of that seemed less applicable when it was sort of an island parcel in that area of sort of between Maple and stadium that didn't have Frontage on either of those corers I think the other uh setback ordinance that you've already put forth the council will help address some of that so I have frankly less concern about that for these personels um and to some of the other discussion it continues the conversation on them I would however suggest that you omit the alterum property that is being purchased by the University of Michigan and recommend that be own PL okay like right now wouldn't that be a separate motion well either like I would just suggest maybe omitting it or making that recommendation as a rezoning of that PUD because um longterm that is traditionally the the treatment of University own property is Zone PL and so while we're at it maybe that's a cleanup we could do while we're looking at that PUD District or we can ask the university to come before us and request that you could ask them they will not they don't have to I I would need some assist right now I only have one address for this whole four part thing 3520 Green Court so maybe we need to um Define that further so that we could exclude the alterum building um the you the parcel from alter that U ofm is person is that the vacant one no the one south of that okay got it um uh that's you'll have to I think it's 3520 green is the property that they're purchasing okay the four address the four Parcels that make green Court are an unaddressed Green Court and I do have a the partiel ID number ending in 008 and then it includes 3520 3600 and 3550 green cord so of those four one is um partial ID number ending in0 008 and then 1600 and 3550 but it sounds that we will be excluding 3520 in in in that PUD Square it's not 100% a square but in it is the we're talking about the southwest corner that is being excluded now is that right that's correct okay so everything around it that makes sense I'm sorry Planet Leo so um included we are in theing including there are three Parcels no there are five Parcels total that make up this block I see five one four um yep there there are five thank you oh because there's three on the North side we are excluding 3520 Green Court and we are including of adding 3535 we are adding 3600 and the parcel ID ending in 008 maybe I'll just look for give you a minute and then maybe ask for confirmation of that you want me to tell you again or did you were [Music] you um well it sounds to me do you want all of them or just Green Court I I just want the four in Green Court that we are including all right um we are including 3535 Green Court 3550 Green Court and 3600 Green Court court and Green Court parcel ID number 099 23100 d008 so I'm just going to say ending in 008 thank you so much that I have that app yeah are there any other amendments to the motion that I missed commissioner surve maybe just for a point of clarification are we EX including in the rezoning the U ofm property are we including but adding a zoning District to the rezoning package we are the amendment on the table we can amend the amendment the amendment on the table would be to include the four Parcels in that block that are not owned by U ofm and to exclude the U ofm parcel which we assume will be reone to public land at some future date yeah that'd be fine you could you could also add an additional um amendment to also recommend rezoning of 3520 Green Court to public land but we have some other cleanup that we have to do in that regard so I think we could include that I will follow the the the the body's lead but for me that seems out of place with tc1 motion so I would just recommend excluding that address I does that make sense commissioner okay commissioner Mills all this talk of public land makes me wonder about the post office if we can go back up Green Road for just a hot minute because now that is the only office left on Green Road and I don't it's Federal so how does that work well um are they subject to zoning so the federal government is not um and we are we have proposed OS the rezoning of another Federal property in this to tc1 um I'm trying to I I can't speculate of the likelihood of a federal property being made available for redevelopment at a pace relative to the University of Michigan um but I might actually guess that it's more likely I so it's it's ferally owned it could it whatever you Zone they're not subject to however um if you wanted to rezone that to tc1 as is being proposed the EPA laboratory along this Corridor um that would restrict it should that ever change hands I would vote for its inclusion okay so if we can get the address for the for that to um I'll look that one up I would was just said our um habits our long-standing habits have regarding the pl zoning is land owned by the city whe um whether it be a um a city facility like the water treatment plant or Parks um land owned by the county and land owned um by the state in the form of the University of Michigan and land owned by the schools has been Zone pl we don't historically for whatever ever reason uh Zone land that is owned by the federal government and there is some US post offices are some the EPA labs are some we Zone them a traditional zoning District they are not subject to zoning but it is sort of the message that we send on the zoning map and that that's what we we' like the zoning map to be clear about what is subject to zoning and what is not and so even though it's not Zone PL it's the zoning applicability is based on ownership super I'll get that address for you and for the zoning nerds out there like this is like planning law in terms of lower levels of government regulating higher levels of government we don't get to talk about that very much but it's fun it's also like yeah any other amendments to know about before I formally propose these Mr Leonard no ask who brought the chocolate commissioner DH brought the chocolate thank you for the chocolate your off 3,000 thank you so Alexis do you have my understanding is we are I just want to make sure that I am clear adding Oxford properties as requested adding the credit union adding four parcels on Green Court adding the post office and the post office parcel number 0991 14100 d436 also known as 3,000 Green Road doesn't say that but okay um so I'm going to move then formally oh commissioner mels Sor I'm just going back in it's it's been a while it's been a minute since we did like other tc1 all this bench and it's the it's the petitioner asking to be excluded I don't I can't think of this in the past and again particularly if we know if we have in our packet stuff that suggests to us that in order to uphold their think they're going to have to come back and ask to be reasoned it it seems to me like it's a like if they a if they said don't reone me and we know why they're saying this it seems like maybe we should exclude the properties that are that asked to not be included the first Martin properties I understand what you're saying and also it seems like the deed restriction is illegal or I don't know if that's the right word uh you can't have a deed restriction that requires you to Zone something a certain way because it's not up to the property owner to do so right so I so so I don't know it's OB also odd for us to comply with an improper DED true restriction or reciprocal Covenant but because also if they come back to us they can't say I mean if they come back to us to ask for resoning but they literally don't have any control over it so how can they sign a contract saying that they will do it they can only say that they will try yeah I don't okay commissioner S I didn't know if your intention in calling our your intention and calling our attention to that was that you thought we should act on that or you just wanted us to know it I mean I it has consequences in either direction it is all I kind of point out and so it's trying to measure the lesser of the two either of like what our options are um I think this when we have some kind of legal binding additional stuff that we can reference I would be very hesitant relative to removing a request because the plan could be imp planning a drive-thru or something else um it doesn't seem like that's the case and within the Pud or office it would be a special exception which could easily be denied for drive-through specifically um but it does leave a weird extra parcel also to the South um but I think in the end I'm I'm also just measuring it on process and cost and then if we do include it we may add processing cost even if there it's not granted that cost will get rolled up somewhere in a future development of that project um and we know where that cost goes and it's it's to who occupies these properties and so the objective for housing is to maybe reduce some of those costs and hope that it reduces the overall cost of housing um so I mean I I'm again I'm open to both this is not the end table I just kind of raise it more than anything so I'm I'm comfortable in either direction thank you those are good points although it can't be developed into housing as it currently St the deed restriction restricts it from being housing all anyway it restricts it from not being zoned office or beauty and a certain size there's nothing in the de restriction says it can't be housing that's my okay zoned office not used yeah there's zoning and there's use commissioner W uh Miss Doo could you remind me uh didn't we have a petitioner in stadium who requested exclusion wasn't it uh bickmore and Maple Village uh yes and we brickmore um asked to be excluded and but they were included but we included them even though they asked to be excluded yeah and there was also a property I feel like on Callingwood yep that has to be included Y and they were not included okay uh so I move to amend our motion right now it says as last phrase as shown on the attached ordinance I move that we amend that to say as shown on the attached ordinance and the following Parcels 3,000 Green Road 2350 Green Road 2400 Green Road and 2500 2600 Green Road and 3535 Green Court 3550 Green Court 3600 Green Court and the parcel ID ending in 008 which is also on Green Court and currently undeveloped can I get anybody to second that motion seconded by commissioner wh is there a discussion of the amendment mix Kelly would you like us to do a roll call vote on the amendment to the amend to the motion or a Voice vote I think either would be appropriate all right uh we'll do a Voice vote on the amendment to the motion all those in favor say I I all opposed the motion carries so we're back in discussion of the amended motion any further comments all right I believe we're ready for a roll call vote on the amended motion commissioner abens yes commissioner wh yes commissioner Sal yes council member dish yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes commissioner Weatherby yes that carries thank you uh we will give a moment to commissioner Lee to rejoin the body should we take a two-minute break the three minute break okay uh we'll reconvene at 9:55 all right calling us back to order thanks guys we're moving on to section 11 public comment this is a second opportunity for persons to speak up to 3 minutes about any issue that is not listed as a public hearing on this agenda we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission then remote participants so to speak during the public hearing remotely please press star N9 if listening by phone please use the raiseed hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 877 85352 47 and entered meeting ID 9776 6341 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised their hand and using the last three jits of the phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak so when speaking please move to a quiet area mute any background noises so that we can hear you clearly and and for either method please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak at this time um actually um I have a few random comments uh thanks commissioner Lee yeah um so the 3520 Green Road um additions to the tc1 district you know I understand why you did it it's much cleaner um but uh we were on the verge of getting an electrification commitment in this new PUD and now that's off the table so I'm disappointed um and it gets to my issues with tc1 to begin with and the lack of any kind of comprehensive approach to climate on the part of the city um it reminds me on the international level of the Paris climate agreement you know everyone makes these commitments but none of them um are required so everyone ignores them we have an a20 plan but it's clearly failing um for the same reason uh so yeah I mean the whole world is failing at climate so why should we be different well maybe I'm naive but I thought maybe we would be um but now I've pretty much lost hope um I'm not blaming you guys you've got to do what you've got to do regarding uh enforcing the UDC and those are your criteria but something has to happen here um on the um you're not timing me are you giving me unlimited time here oh okay yeah gotch you okay anyway um on sorus on 30 uh yeah just to clarify my comments about the public subsidy um my understanding was that the Brownfield plan was 2.7 million and that 2.6 million of that was for non-environmental costs so I was counting that 2.6 million I was counting um the city's 12E 50% tax abatement which was never Quantified but looking at the tax tables to me I was guessing around 3 million and then the state uh gave them a 1.2 million Grant so I think that comes to like 6.8 million um but I I'm not I could be wrong about the three million that's just my best guess but to commissioner Weiss comment that maybe this should be included in staff reports I agree um for context I mean we keep hearing from developers like the one tonight about all the extra things they're doing on top of the city requirements well we should hear about what extra things the city is doing for them um but we don't see that in the staff report we have you know you depend on amateurs like me to bring you up to date on that we saw that also with the Roberts and brothers development where I don't know how many times U Mr lungren claimed credit for the electrification of the 164 single family homes on that well in fact the city's paying for that through the Brownfield plan um 2.9 Million for Combined for those heat pumps plus uh solar panels on the clubhouse and the um solar uh street lights so that should have been in the staff report so we can call the bluff of some of these developers who are claiming extra credit for things that we the taxpayers are footing the bill for so those are my comments thank you for all your work and for um tolerating my um constant presence here thank you thank you Mr Garber is there anyone that would like to address the commission remotely thank you and for what it's worth thank you for your Civic service anding your engagement moving on to section 12 is there any commission proposed business commissioner W okay I didn't have this when we were talking about the um Research Drive uh in front of me I knew it was in the UDC I just didn't know where it was so I have um potentially two requests I guess I'll start with a request and then you all can um tell me what the result of that request is 5.3.4 re research District subsection B5 lists emissions as a health um consideration when approving site plans that are in that District what does that mean if not the contribution uh to our climate change and then it's repeated in 5.3.5 O RL office and research subsection b.

bhmsd.org or show up on Saturday the 4th the fourth remember that to bluon high school to see the fierce competition of our local Gamers oh looks like it's in incinerar again okay incinerar versus our Jordan see if this is the same no no that means there's two incin today is there yeah have we already seen incin in round two uh no never mind no no just don't listen to me don't listen to me don't listen to me okay okay I I don't know why I thought there was two hey there might be there might be might be I it's hard to know sometimes because it's not like anybody his names you're just going up against characters which it took me a little bit to realize that inor is based off of wrestling yeah yep his whole entire play style is based off of wrestling that's why he has that throw that throws him into the side of the Ring yeah it took it took about a year when that Pokemon came out really yeah I didn't realize that until I started well I didn't play the game for it oh I see so I didn't know what he was about until why is he just throwing him into a yeah I was like uh what so I was so confused until I actually play the game I'm like that makes more sense then Jordan over here getting punished cuz his recovery has him has a lot of lag does he take damage with that recovery he does not actually wait I don't think he does at least we'll see if he does do the recovery next he should he uses it a lot oh it's very important for a next player to know how to control their um their lightning bolt that shoots out yeah oh that incin or are just absorbing um oh hey well you know what that's that's always something fun to see is when a little child launches himself into a giant what is it cat uh wrestling catlike creature nobody knows what Pokemon are I I don't I don't know what he's based off of he's oh andc War charged all the way up with the slip counters he's able to deal a ton of damage oh no Jord and then Jordan absolutely trashes the recovery he had that in the bag he could have gotten away with it but it's fine though he's 26% up it's Jordan he can still yeah and we have another person after this yeah but they don't that's the thing no yeah no they don't have another person this is the last match wins this oh did I see that correctly and that is gay okay you seem shocked okay turns out this was their guess that is the last game say they did well yeah say JV and varsity both did really well all right thank you for joining us this evening that wa no oh was it they got another oh do they have oh never mind yep forget what I just said it's okay sometimes it's hard to count because junior varsity isn't always we got shown a bunch another DK rule that's evil I just said it again you did say that didn't you yes they're all the same no cuz I was calling Diddy Kong D I'm I'm done no Diddy Kong DK Jr yes DK DK King K King K or KK you can you understand understand why I'm getting it mixed up don't you no no I definitely get it okay I think that's maybe that's what Nintendo was going for to all have the same name but like just just different enough to not be the same person yeah just slightly different just to confuse people honestly Nintendo is that kind of company not going to lie it's Nintendo you never know what they're going to do yeah it's just how they roll oh Jordan getting punished k k will B just Jordan for the most part child on the ground it is always fun to make the children jokes on that kind of thing cuz it is it's it's Ness and a muta k k rule crocodile yeah whatever King K rule is supposed to be okay I believe that was his back throw which is really powerful but it can be risky if you don't if you don't grab them he's he's this King K knows how to Edgard yeah they're really good at it they know how to especially with all the projectile oh that takes us to our the takes us to jv's last person yeah and then what that yeah this is this is the third round so yeah this would be the last yes no jv's team is third person yeah there is the fourth person Jordan was second person never mind yeah this next player yeah never mind okay fa Point yep some confusion going on here cuz we don't know anything I need to just have a notebook with me just keep track of what I don't know guessing somebody tripped over it that that could have been the case yeah guessing Jaden's playing since it was Sonic yep okay not Jaden not Jaden Brody Brody yeah oh my gosh it's hard to keep track of two teams yes very much is even though I've been doing this for four four weeks now four weeks well this is my first time that's my excuse yeah you have an excuse I don't I really don't have an excuse for this okay getting comboed here this King K is pretty good for junior varsity so I'm I'm really hoping they can uh they can learn yeah maybe not but it's Sonic Sonic doesn't necessarily have very many options he just spins that's about it yeah sonic doesn't really have that many options it's kind of like a little literally just punching that's all he's got it's all he does yep King K rule on the other hand is the exact opposite he's he has so many different types of moves he's got all kinds of projectiles and he's strong andele choices mhm that's evil playing the cricket sound effect there's there's not a whole ton of comment on yeah oh never mind that was that was actually that was awesome he's Kaden's got to watch it he's kind of I don't know I don't who is Kaden I don't even think I've ever met a Kaden I'll tell you after this I'll tell you after this why you're all good yeah I'll I'll explain it to you later okay so we got even stocks but King K has 56 down on percent don't ah dang it don't Travis Travis is talking to me right now he's he's saying the most cursed things imaginable was that it no it was not okay oh Sam Sam's playing oh we got Sam up oh this will be just like this will be fun Travis don't that's not funny we can't say those kind of things well I know I know that can we what can we what you want me to just take the headset for no it's fine okay just tell me what he's saying after just know if my face changes randomly that's why okay it's going to be interesting because it's rule versus King K rule yeah King K both down crouching over and over again and there's some kind of like ESP going on between both of their minds you know what would be awesome if they would if they would just play like volleyball back and forth oh yeah with the down bees but with but with a cannonball and not a volleyball I can hear him say oh oh oh I want to say he could down smash him but it wouldn't would that send him down if he just goes down just down smashes him no or the thing here is you you got to you got to go for the down air oh yeah you got to spike him off stage he has enough stocks yeah it would be an awesome finish to an awesome series of matches chuck chuck him off with a crown to set up for a spike I would uh I'd throw him off you know something light not like a heavy attack or anything cuz then he'll just die and you you want to make him feel bad not getting a Cho he just not getting a chance at all he's he's really he's he's really being what is it zoned is that the yeah yep oh okay there it is hear him cheering him there he looks like he hasn't sleept in days it's very hard commentating with this man in my ear I'mma Be I'mma Be Real okay looks like that's it okay looks like JV Ty in Varsity ended up you for thank you for joining us this evening that concludes week this week of our streams I don't know why tune in Monday for at 5 for Tetris MH November 6th 5:00 p.m.

I don't we going over I don't have a again where we okay all right we are adjourning for executive session e for for legal advice with the board's attorneys for pending or contemplated potential litigation now we will adjourn to Executive session thank you I cry yes yes yes saying you have to vote oh all right I will I will could could we move again to yes okay yes I move to go into executive session on the agenda items oh gosh 6.03 was it 6.03 thank you Lynn yes 6.03 all second all those in favor say I I I I now we will adjourn to Executive session we'll get this right okay thought it was ahead e for e all for what's up was Wonder a for I okay yeah just put in Mr Martin something to that effect I don't ever write more than two so you know this one just maybe will'll be set when Sue is ready you don't have to put anything here only read here and then just that you're good that's good yeah and that has to go in the envelope and back probably to Debbie Z okay there she is I was I don't know if anyone else was him but I was you're welome just waiting for Lynn to come back will you count it down or should we just begin media are you all set Aaron okay we go in 5 4 3 2 1 Welcome Back everybody we will resume with agenda item 7.01 information and discussion item introduction and possible discussion of policies DB gbb a ibab and IBD Maria Murphy director of policy and government relations good evening uh board member kifil members of the board superintendent rikan assistant superintendent staff and members of the public you have before you the red lines for the um above mentioned policies they were posted to the public we have not received any um questions or uh public comment and at this time I would just like to make myself available for any questions or discussion that you may have three um this is 2K I'm just wondering with uh DB um does that just the changes just indicate the governance of the agency more accurately uh yes that is correct and that is in response to one of the um uh findings from the office of the auditor General's report and then gbba is that a brand new policy uh yes um yes it [Music] is I'm going to follow up with ibab um is that in regards to the finding that we received uh that is actually not in response to the finding that we received and um uh in consultation with our Council and with superintendent rikman uh We've determined that that policy is going to need a little bit more attention and a little bit more work so um we had this discussion after the uh policies were already posted excuse me Suk can you please repeat which policy you were just talking about yes that would have been um IB a so we'll see another um draft of this we we may be seeing another draft okay no decision has been made at this time and then I'm just assuming that this is an updated ihbd so uh yes um board member kifil um ihbd actually was a part of the asdb policy manual prior to um the decision that ad made uh regarding us being an institution and when we became an institution it was not appropriate for us to have this policy in our manual anymore so it was removed but now that we are a local educational agency again it's appropriate to place this back into the policy manual so that's why that is here excellent thank you you're welcome any other questions for Maria this is Linda just give me a moment I'd like to look back I would like to mention gbba have we talked about that already I'm a little bit behind we we kind of looked at it it's a brand new policy if you have questions or comments please go ahead now I do have a question first of all I would like to say thank you to the committee that worked so hard on this policy I know that it is a brand new policy regarding access to communication and I read through it and I found it very impressive there were a couple of things that I'm curious about but I think since this is a first read for us I would just like to say thank you to the people that were on that committee and I applaud your work I would like to ask superintendent reikan a question about the new person who was just hired Dr B I'm so sorry I'm bad with names who is going to be the new uh ASL administrator um that individual I believe is going to start with the agency in January 2024 is that correct superintendent rikman would you please give us that name I'm bad with names Dr Mara Boaz b o e z I believe the last name is um the first name is es first name is Mara I believe Mara yes that is correct I did remember her first name so I is it correct that she's a new member of the agency to be starting in January of 2024 I would like if possible to have her um review that policy I would like to have her eyes on it um and see what questions or comments she might have about it does that make sense sure that is possible that is something we could do that would then mean this would be postponed from uh to discuss this not in January but in March for a final approval correct I would like to see that happen I would like to know what her feedback will be and that might help us to um fine-tune it and make sure that um we are all uh happy with any revisions that need to be made Etc before it's approved so that was what I wanted to get at um I guess that was the point of my question so uh that's a fair point okay um so do I need to do anything more then Su not at the moment nope not at the moment if there uh this is commissioner Seno I have this is Orin uh Mike has confirmed for me that um Mara britz if I'm saying that correctly has seen it and has been involved so that's already uh taken place oh that's great I wasn't aware of that that's wonderful thank you for sharing that very good thank you ktie had a comment well I guess Orin actually answered my question I was planning to ask after it was reviewed could I could I borrow that paper let's see I thought everything looked good but there was one thing that gave me a little bit of pause I was taken aback by this one piece that uses the term um Sim simcom or simultaneous communication um that threw me off a little bit I'm I went to a school for the deaf and I graduated from gadet and we we were very L ASL Centric school so I was planning to ask if you had already received feedback from deaf staff regarding this piece uh I'm wondering I was wondering just about what the the that perspective was on this piece this is Linda I had a similar question to what Katie said um because simultaneous communication is a is a thing of the past um there is research to indicate that it is not effective um one language or the other will suffer when simultaneous communication is used so I was surprised to see it there and to reinforce what Linda was saying simcom or total communication is is a tool Pardon The Interpreter it is a tool it is not a language it's code switching sometimes is necessary when you're signing more than speaking or some people will speak more than they're signing um but either way that will impact the deaf and heart of hearing DEA or heart of hearing students um acquisition of a full language and their access to information so for example when uh when we graduated from the school for the de the model did focus on total communication which is simcom and for some students it was fine but it didn't succeed for other students and those of us who it did work for were lucky um when we went to galet and were immersed in a full language and culture um that brought us to where we are today so it's very important to just be mindful of that I would like to see uh DEA and heart of hearing staff staring sharing their perspective Ives on that piece and this is Linda um with that in mind I do have a suggestion that we hold this um to find out why that component simultaneous communication is in this policy yes I I I'm happy to answer that question um so simultaneous communication is there as part of a definition for people to understand people who are not ASL fluent to understand what simultaneous communication is and then also in their it is noted that if a person is not if a staff member is not fluent in sign language you should always try to get an interpreter however sometimes there may be occasional times when an interpreter might not be available and so simcom might be an option but it does specifically state in the policy that it's only supposed to be used as a last resort in an unplanned spontaneous and momentary communication so it is not to become the default it's only supposed to be spontaneous and momentary and only when there are no other options that are available Maria can I I I've had a conversation with Maria about this I asked very similar questions um and I think where we what we need to look at this as this is really talking about making sure that there is equivalent access to everything that's going on on campus so again if someone is um needing to have a private conversation instead of putting down their hands and starting to speak they need to move to another room and be in private to have that conversation um there we want to make sure that Def and hearing kids on campuses or wherever the asdb staff are have the same access to what is going on around them um as a hearing student in their classroom always would have so if there are two teachers talking and walking down a hallway in a general education school that other people can overhear that that access needs to be afforded to the de and heart of hearing kids so I think that is the intent from my understanding of the policy in general um I don't think and maybe some of the Committee Member could speak to this as well I don't think the intent is to rely on um simultaneous communication because again as Katie said it is not a language um so but maybe some of the committee might want to Maria before we move forward uh Maria I but thank you I just want to say that you did a great job writing this it's beautiful it's beautiful work you all did great um there is just one line that might be considered revising where it says it's number one here at the bottom it says asdb is committed to American Sign Language ASL and English access for sta ASL and English are recognized as two distinct languages in their own right with equal respect and simultaneous communication or simcon is generally [Music] non is a communication strategy for non- ASL fluent individuals and I think that phrasing is a little bit um it doesn't work I think it's a bit misleading to say if an interpreter is not available or if in Arizona and also nationally we're experiencing an interpreter shortage so um it's not fair to student students to say there's not an interpreter available how are the students going to get access to information if there is not an interpreter available um to resort to say resorting to simcom as a last resort might be impacting students ability to learn so that's just one thing I wanted to bring to your attention that last statement all over all reading the entire policy it's wonderful you've created um you've covered all of the bases simcom communication everything it's just that one phrasing that bothers me but other than that it's beautiful work thank you um board member seeno and what I was trying to get across in the policy is to state that simcom is a nonpreferred communication approach it's not something that we should be using on a regular basis because there are difficulties in trying to do both at the same time and and that's what I was trying to get across and that's why I was saying here are all of the other Alternatives um you always want to try to get an interpreter if an interpreter is not available you Sim come only in the moment in passing as a last resort um because ASL or English is these These are the preferred communication modalities and maybe I didn't Express that well I understand did did the did the committee I appreciate that effort thank you Maria did either of the committee members want to add to that please yes I would like to hear from them particularly de um me committee members the def individual please yes this is mik olier thank you everyone and good afternoon I would like to clarify a little bit of background again my name is Mike Olivier this is how you signed my name I the director of OD for ASB and am one of the leads for this particular Committee in creating this policy it has been a 2-year process we um have we already have a policy for instruction ibaa and that was a good starting place but we did not have a policy for staff in general and so we worked very hard over a long period of time and um I'm glad that you brought this up and I'm happy for your feedback the committee did talk quite a bit about simcom it was a really hot topic and KN knowing that we needed to address it and figuring out how particularly on our two site-based uh programs our two campuses so with that policy in place we were trying to reframe communication when communication breaks down is simcom acceptable or should we just never ever use it um once that policy is set we are hoping that we will also be able to add some exhibits and scenarios so if an individual you approach someone who doesn't know sign language what do you do um do you speak first to your hearing colleague and sign second to your de colleague or vice versa um once that policy is set we will I'm sure discover some scenarios that are challenging um bottom line is that we want to create and establish this policy to enhance communication access on our campuses in order to ensure that all of our staff and particularly students especially those who are learning ASL have full access access wherever they go within our agency um and having that in place is a good reminder for those of us who work here every day I hope that that um brings some clarity yes the simcom issue again was a big one and we did want to indicate that it is not preferred but in some cases we have to think about what our daily communication looks like around campus and around deaf uh communities in general thank you Michael yes thank you any other questions or comments thank you Maria oh go ahead I would just like to make the comment um and to acknowledge the ASB language policy committee who did so much research and worked so hard on this and they were just a pleasure to work with and we didn't always agree at times we had some respectful disagreements but we went back and forth and I think that we figured out what the what the good balance is um in terms of ensuring access for all of our ASB employees and our whole community so I would just like to take this opportunity to publicly acknowledge all of their hardwork and to thank them thank you okay okay moving on to 7.03 discussion and action items set the calendar for the 2024 regular board meetings and possible work study sessions give you guys a minute to take a look at this this is Linda so we're looking at this is excuse me sorry this is Linda speaking uh looking at January 11th 2024 in Tucson I know that we do make that trip to Tucson um but January is the darkest time of the year and some of us don't want to drive back when it's that dark I personally don't drive at night um and so I was hoping that maybe we could flip those and have March 7th in Tucson rather than um the January so in in springtime it's a little bit lighter outside makes that drive a little bit easier and I feel a little bit safer doing that um or unless I can find someone to carpool with and force my husband to come down with me things like that you know what I mean I'm going to defer to an net on this I believe there was a scheduling conflict um in one of our buildings oh okay you are correct March 7th at Tucson's bpack um they are already reserved oh I see so part of that scheduling was figuring out here in Phoenix and in Tucson when we could have March or May March and May in bpac is not available which means for 2025 we're already booking up for March and May in the bpack as well and so we need to start scheduling it seems a year and a half in advance for those meetings instead of coming closer to it in January we have the wsbc tournament which will be happening in Tucson and so that would coincide with that third week we will be doing some live streaming of that event which means that all of our equipment will already be on the Tucson campus our media department has asked that the 11 be in Tucson for that reason so that they can establish the live streaming equipment there and then the following week we could easily live stream the wsbc competition thank you okay thank you for that explanation any other concerns otherwise I would entertain a motion to approve the proposed calendar this is Lynn I move that we accept the proposed calendar this is Katie I second all those in favor say I I I I I opposed hearing none motion carries moving on to 7.04 discussion and action item election of 2024 board officers this is Linda I would like to make a motion to um retain Su as president and uh Britney sorry Britney Britney as secretary for uh the 2024 uh year I will assume that's a nomination and I will accept I will also assume that's a nomination and I will also accept Okay I second second the motion all right all those in favor say I I I I all those oppose hearing none I think we retain the board as is okay mve moving on to 8.01 call to the public for any non-agenda items we have not received anything so moving on to 8.02 discussion and possible action items for the next regular board meeting um I just want to mention that as as superintendent rikman mentioned we did meet with um some current staff who are part of the Education Association um and I would like us to continue those meetings until um continue acting on those that initial meeting and continue our fact finding um so that we can move forward and bring that to the board meeting at some point in the next um calendar year um so that I kind of just would like to sort of be there until we receive the information and can move forward anybody else have any agenda item items you can always reach out to me and or um executive team here um at asdb um before the next meeting otherwise we will move on to 9.01 action item adjournment I move that we adjourn this meeting this is Katie I second all those in favor say I I I I I opposed hearing none the meeting is now adjourned at 6:18 p.m.

31% I read that portion of the question because that is the most confusing the most misunderstood part of the question the general assembly down in Indianapolis passed a law and in that law they said in public questions you have to include what the average prop property tax increase would be whether one really exists or not because our referendum is asking for the same thing that we asked for in 2017 no increase it's 54 cents for $100 of assessed valuation that's what we're asking for again just to renew it so there is no increase because of the school's reference question to further explain and clarify this I have invited Mr sha Mill from Baker Tilly who has worked with us as we prepared for our referendum and I'm going to invite him up in a few moments to explain a little bit about how did they get to an average of 46.

so have stand up and say yes yeah we'll have our marching van will be our Dr Le the par and then we'll have our dancers dancing and then the we'll have Foundation Miss Norman and and also our foundation president is here if you have any questions yes thank you madam president we're so excited to have welcomed our new president and CEO Miss Johnston who's in the crowd with us tonight yes um she this has been a a great time for the foundation it's also been a busy but good month with the LTD good week right before fall break as well as I believe 19 Creative Impact grants totaling over 20,000 were recently distributed to uh several of our staff and if there's anything else you'd like to add that's good well welcome that will the the approval of the resolution for the 2023 General oblation and appr of the bond resolution thank you once again Madam president Dr Smith members of the board at this time I recommend that the board approve the resolution approving the 2023 General obligation bonds and the resolution approving the additional appropriation of the 2023 General obligation Bond proceeds and interest earnings as submitted so moved second there any questions all in favor I any oppos and we are now next thing is what we usually call a consent agenda Madam president I move that we treat action items 4.2 through 4.8 as our consent agenda second is that a second properly moved second all those in favor of items agenda I any moove approval of the consent agenda second any questions uh all those in favor of approving the consent agenda I I apprent ask M Cara Johnson good evening Madam president Dr Smith members of the board and Community this evening the school board of the metropolitan school district of Lawrence Township has approved the appointment of Mr shant Smith to the position of director of McKenzie Center for Innovation and Technology [Applause] Mr Smith has held this role on an interim basis since June of 2023 prior to this position he served as the assistant director of mcit as an assistant principal at beler middle school for 11 years and born Central High School for one year his teaching experience was in language arts at Fall Creek Valley and middle school for 9 years superintendent Dr Sean Smith shares the Career and Technical educational program in Lawrence Township is second to none Mr Smith has demonstrated his leadership ability and strong commitment to the secondary students of mcit and it's a pleasure to see him permanently in this new role Mr schmith shant shares as the Lawrence Township graduate who attended McKenzie as a student he's honored and grateful to become the new director thank you to Dr Smith and the board of education for giving me this great opportunity to Le M Kenzie he adds I'm excited to take on the responsibilities and challenges that come with this role I'm also looking forward to working with the dedicated faculty and staff in our many programs as well as collaborating with students and their families to provide the best possible educational experiences Mr Smith is a 1995 graduate of Lawrence North High School he continued his education at Indian University where he completed a bachelor's degree in science and secondary education he graduated with his master's degree in education focusing on curriculum and instruction from Indiana Westland in 2005 in 2008 he completed the principal leadership program at Indiana westling University Mr Smith is currently completing his CTE director licensed at fall State University congratulations Mr s thank you to the board and Dr Smith for this great opportunity I also want to acknowledge the uh principles I have the privilege of serving under who help M me to the leader I am today that includes Mr fi during my time at Lauren Central Mr noer Mr harer during my time at Belzer and Mrs Swain during my time at McKenzie serving as the assistant director um I also want to thank my wife who was also a principal for being my biggest supporter during this amazing journey I look forward to leing McKenzie to making it the best CTE Center in the state of Indiana thank [Applause] you this has been an evening of nothing but good news for LS really very very pleas all the information um we're to board comments and I want to say that tomorrow being Halloween um um we just wish for all of our students all of our families to be safe and save some space you know to for them so that um all of our kids go out and have a fun time those that want to and um come home safely it's been a bit of a a rough week in in once um with incidents happening on the northeast side students finding themselves in the line of fire and um just keep keep those families in in your thoughts your prayers and um I'll ask them moment I just hope everyone also has a safe Halloween and if have my comments at this time I just have a a off of Mr Smith's appointment um I wanted to say that so a lot of people in the public weren't aware that I talked to um we do have an amazing barbering school and Bernie's place which is open to the public um the website at McKenzie Center has the hours and take advantage of it they do a great job so thank you Dr Smith we have some big things coming up this week you have r n please stand sectional finals are Friday night give us an announce hosting Cathedral for the teams are topam be then you know where my loyalty is so let's get it all right right that's our house the game is at home correct Dr nth thank you and I will add board and Madam president just simply we want to send a thank you very special thank you to Community Health Network for sponsoring this past Saturday a huge CommunityWide event black men and white coops which is supporting minority students who are interested in the medical field uh they had 00 participants have signed up for this wonderful event which was held at our high school one Central High School uh Saturday uh pretty much all day long so we want to send a thank you special thank you out to Community Health Network for sponsoring this event and all of our families that attended and special thank you for lawen Central High School was a wonderful host for it and all the VIPs that show up for we had the Mayors from both cities several of our state legislators uh and local um common council members who were in attendance at that so I just want to s a thank you to that so that's all I have Madam president thank you very much um that um will'll conclude our meeting if we have a motion to moved moved and seconded we are adjurned

is the opening night of wily Wonka um I'm in the play and I just came from rehearsal and it's looking really good so you guys should definitely come see that but there's only two weekends so make sure you come see it next week some of our students will be attending the mayor's youth Leadership Summit and they are also very excited in the world of garnet Hills High School athletics cougar Excellence has been on full display boys and girls cross country finished the season as Desert Sky League Champs and completed in DSL finals to day our girls tennis team won their first playoff match Tuesday and continued their playoff run with the match yesterday and for the first time in our school's history our football team is the desert sky League champions and we and we will be hosting cian High School in the first round of playoffs this Friday at 7 pm at The District Stadium so come out and support we thank you all so much for your support of gr Hills High School and look forward to sharing more next month as always marun and gray lead the way good job Apple Valley High [Applause] Sophia thank you so much good evening members of the board and attendees my name is Sophia Brandt and I'm the Apple High School uni Apple High School Associated student body line president today I'll be sharing with what our students and staff have been up to the last month as well as some of our goals for November and I wanted to preface this by apologizing if my voice is scratchy or anything I've been singing a lot of Christmas songs and I would show you but there's some notes only Mariah Carey can hit so I'll save your ears this past month has marked the start of a new quarter for our sundevils and they have been excelling academically some of our amazing students were recognized with medals and certificates for their ability to read write and speak two languages at the Cala by literacy ceremony academic Shields and Eagles were handed out around campus to students who had gpas above a 3.5 and sophomores and juniors took the PSAT our Sports programs have also been enjoying lots of success cross country girls tennis football and cheer held their senior nights to celebrate the wonderful graduating seniors Samantha most and vua Patel are the mrl all League tennis doubles Champions Malachi Murphy from cross country will be moving on to CIF after his outstanding performance at the mrl finals and varsity football is going to playoffs with their first game against his area tomorrow some of our other athletes are gearing up for their Seasons with basketball and soccer holding tryouts and wrestling conditioning after school our clubs and Pathways have been active in their school and Community throughout October National Honor Society held their induction for the 35 students who have pledged themselves to keeping up their scholarship service leadership and character Key Club helped pass out snacks to bikers on Saturday at the Victor Valley Bike Tour and Candy to attendees of the Town chunk Retreat on the 11th they'll go to Six Flags for the Key Club fall rally with hundreds of clubs from all over Southern California Avid seniors went on a weekl long field trip touring NorCal colleges like UC Merced San Francisco State San Jose State UC Berkeley UC Santa Cruz Cal State Monterey Bay Cal Poly St Louis Obispo and UC Santa Barbara students from Mast camp and Graphics attended the high desert education Summit AT vbc to showcase our programs and EMR practiced caring for patients during the great ShakeOut while the rest of us prepared to stay safe in the event of emergency incredible work sbles ASB has been working hard as ever we put on an amazing show at halftime last week to Spotlight our homecoming royalty and Crown the king and queen we had a super fun Spirit Week With days like sports day camo Day barbecue dad versus soccer mom day my personal favorite class colors and pink out then we danc the night away at the homecoming dance which had an attendance of over 700 students Tuesday was Halloween and we hosted a costume contest at lunch with the winner being the headless horsemen though I saw a lot of hilarious and cool costumes later in November we're planning our fall festival with clubs leading games food vendors and lots of fun to celebrate the chilly weather we're also planning a game show night to replace our talent show putting a sundevil spin on games like Family Feud Jeopardy and so much more there are so many exciting things happening at Apple Valley high school and I want to thank you all for your continued support we couldn't give our students any of these incredible opportunities without you thank you very good our union representative reports CSEA Nicholas Garrett I don't believe he's here this evening auta Karen Sabers I don't believe she's here this evening okay comments from the superintendent I kind of like the buffer by the unions before I have to speak because after they get to follow the students great job all of you and um Ismael commented about student advisory we've already hit both high schools with a small group to um plan with us and we're getting ready to do our large group which will have about 70 between 50 and 75 I think we had 80 at Granite last year um at High Desert Premiere hopefully some of the returners you'll be there and you did make change last year and you gave us some great ideas so we love the process but it takes the students telling us what other topics we need to talk about and not just what is adult driven so appreciate the feedback um our FFA students are in Indianapolis right now at National Conference um we will be getting out an invitation so it's good to say this in the group um ethnic studies we are moving down the pathway the county um schools will be working with us to facilitate the process of what that looks like in our district and so um tomorrow we will be getting out um information about how to participate in that the initial meeting and then we'll share the following meetings um for this school year um next school year is a different topic because we will have to plan out those meetings based on um what we actually need to get the curriculum completed uh first time in school history as mentioned um Granite Hills High School took the title drove up to bar on a Thursday night um and it was probably one of the coldest nights yet and it was so exciting and um Granite showed up big showed up big their cheerleaders have to be down at the end of track they don't even get to be on the side because of where they have the bleachers um I was glad that after um I've been to Barstow High School before for a football game there were no lights on the on the um visitor side it was very dark in the past so they've got lights they've upgraded that but it was great to watch the game and um the celebration at the end pretty cool I think it goes without saying that Daniel rencom on as a um alumni for that school as the athletic director that this is a major um milestone for him and um again for Coach Gonzalez he he when we were talking about the stadium at a a recent meeting with the planning he told the architect um team that he either played or one of his brothers played or has coached since the school has been playing football and so for him to take a league title as the head football coach um really does meet the criteria of what the um touchdown Club talks about all the time online which is um have faith be fearless and I think he lives that every day and so congratulations to them and then the fact that both high schools are in CIF this year is cool um congratulations to Apple Valley high school and Coach Godfrey for um moving on and um let's go beat Hisperia yeah there's a little bit of a difference here because they're local right like let's beat Hisperia Granite needs to win too just Adam right okay thanks Hannah I have the confidence um because of social media I realized that DSL was running today I got to work and I said to zoy um do do you know the DSL was running finals today and she goes no and I said well I'm going out to Horsemen because I have a little bit of time in my calendar and so we went out and we watched the the finals today and I have to tell you um living in the high desert for years all you knew about was Barstow and their ability to run cross country well I'm going to tell you that maroon crossed the finish line today and it wasn't Barstow it was granite and it was the first seven that came in were Granite Hills High School females and I kept thinking where' everybody else go like this really is done right and then the boys ran and what I have to say is I believe his name is Nolan is that correct okay Nolan is a senior at Granite Hills High School and today was the first day I got to watch him run um I think he could have lapped everybody and he comes in and he's not even breathing heavy and and then you wait you wait for the next group to come through well Granite is in great um Poise for next year because they only have two seniors on the boys varsity team the rest are freshman and sophomore so they're strong um and it's exciting they'll be at Mount saac I think week from tomorrow okay so exciting that all of these things are happening and I love the end of the seasons because we we do well every year um we did some walkthroughs at Real Vista all the principes in the district gathered for a meeting and we do this as a rotation through the schools and we do walkthroughs in classrooms teachers know we're coming it's Anonymous there is no um negative feedback this is all about calibrating ourselves on walkthroughs and it was a wonderful day and everybody just kept commenting on how fabulous the work that they have been doing on foundations is showing up in the classroom so we were thrilled to see it because they were one of the early adopters and then um Sophia mentioned seal of biliteracy it's always wonderful to see those kids that are biliterate come across the stage with the others in the high desert that um meet the criteria Apple Valley and Hisperia typically are the major part of the program we had 44 um hispar is almost twice our size and they just had a few more than us but not double so um that the sealed by literacy requirements are changing for next year it appears that more students will be able to qualify um with a better measure that actually um includes things like being able to speak the language fully and write it and not have the um test that students take in the spring be one of the the factors and then um many of you are aware of the finger printing SB 531 that has eliminated our ability to put students out in the workforce um tied to their school CTE programs mdcp um that law has now written in that we can get our TPP kids um and our our students in CTE back out into the field however there are some hurdles that we have to accomplish um I'm on a team with mdcp as one of the superintendant um working on the process by which we will do this um because we have to figure out the fingerprinting who's going to be the custodian of record and currently we're looking at some options that that may expedite this with a target of um spring semester hopefully January getting kids back out there we will match that with our TPP students as well um though they're not housed Under mdcp the Mountain Desert um career Pathways we want it to match so that we meet the same criteria and then um Halloween kids mentioned it um prior to being superintendent Tom started what was called the Halloween Grays and it was all about the food on the property and people could have a theme and dress up here at the ESC we we don't get to do the fun things that schools get to do and so it's the one time of year that they do it and this year um was again Beyond and I don't know how they're going to top it next year but we had um Kelsey momes and Taylor Swift in the superintendent's office um we had the prices right with the wheel that spun um we had Alison Wonderland we had Disney the Disneyland and then we had the circus with a big top and I'm glad that the fire marshall doesn't show up on that day we will not announce in the future either that we are going to do it on Halloween or not because I think if they knew they'd come and shut us down um but we we have a lunchtime where we graze and go to each office to check out who's topped who and while the nurses think they have it often it is the group to be so I appreciate everybody and and the parents that showed up that day were kind of an amazing that the adults were um participating but they were so um and csba is coming you will be traveling before the next board meeting for um the annual education conference and we look forward to hearing from California school boards Association very good board comments rig sure thank you Dennis I always like to comment on H the kids students that uh speak at the podium and um Madison and Bradley this the first time we saw you guys tonight did a really good job I want to comment on Ismail you know this is your third time and um you're you're you're getting so much better you know not that you weren't good beginning but you you you're so uh at ease up there and it was really cool that you mentioned your brother who's serving in the US Marines especially in this time of what's going on in the world so um kudos to you so keep keep up the the students keep up the good work and as always Sophia and Hannah you guys are just like Naturals up there so good job that's all I got to say thank you Dennis all right Amanda all right thank you to all of the students that I'm not sure you can hear me thank you to all of the students for coming out tonight and sharing with all the exciting things going on at your schools it really is the highlight of our meeting um so on Monday night uh a few of us got to head down the hill and attend the fall joint meeting of the California School Board Association um and the topic was all about artificial intelligence and it was just really exciting um to listen to good news about artificial intelligence and how all of the different exciting ways um that educators are going to get to utilize it in the classroom and and really um for you students how many careers they're going to be open to you in the future to be able to use it um and it was just nice to not hear so much Doom and Gloom about it um and all the ways that it's going to really expand um the career opportunities for for you guys so that was really interesting um and then I wanted to say congratulations also to all of the Seal of biliteracy winners um that's just incredible to learn to or even three multiple um languages and also if anyone in our district did not quite make the cut in time for that ceremony they still are able to make it in time for graduation if they're seniors so they can still get that um and have that seal by literacy in time for walking in May um let's see oh earlier today um so after I got out of school today I was able to swing by over to vbc and they had their Dia deos moros uh celebration and so that was really exciting just to kind of see I was hoping maybe we'd like run into Ashley gozman but she was I I was like maybe maybe we'll see her but no there's a lot of people over there though they had their um Community celebration open to the public um great mariachi band going on um so that was nice kind of got that in between coming over here for our our meeting um and then just one exciting thing I wanted to share um this past weekend I was able to finish up my M's in governance program which I started back in August and it was a series of five different sessions where I had to commute down to San Marcos which um would be of Friday afternoon so if you can imagine Friday afternoons to S Marcos I think I possibly spent as much time in traffic that I did maybe in all of the sessions over the weekend but um it was just so worthwhile and I know that um Mrs oara or missar is gonna be done with hers um next month and I know Mrs Nelson's almost done with hers as well um but yeah next month next month are you next month as well yeah I don't know I show up online ours is online we didn't get the iners one see I know my myself and I knew that if I didn't sign up where I physically had to go yeah so it I just I would encourage anyone who hasn't done it it is so worthwhile because it was it was definitely um intense but it was definitely worthwhile so I'm just G to read really quick some of the classes was foundations in effective governance setting Direction student learning and achievement policy and judicial review School Finance Human Resources collective bargaining um and community relations and advocacy so it was basically just you know how to do what we do up here and like looking through a lot of the legal parts and it was just very informative um and then when we were done on Saturday they gave us like a little graduation or a little certificate so um yeah so I just I would encourage the rest um and there was really fantastic was there's this other board and I'm not sure I would go this far but I was impressed with them every time they get a new trustee the whole board goes through the process again together and so there was a couple of like trustees on the board that were like yeah this is my fifth time and I was like but I'll be honest I probably would have to go through the school Finance one like five times to really feel solid on that one um so last but not least I just want to say thank you to all of veterans um that we have in our district and also our community I know veteran stays coming up this month and I just wanted to say thank you so much to all of our veterans and that is it for me Gary just want to also thank you say thank you to the students it's always a pleasure to hear what's what's going on it's it I know I speak for the rest of the board and saying you you guys just amaze us in in what's going on on your campuses and we appreciate you bringing us up to date we can't be at every event but it's really exciting to see the the participation the the Excellence the growth that's going on on your campuses so thank you all of you so much for for being here and bringing us up to date and sharing the great things that are going on in your campuses and as as Rick was saying it's it's always a a blessing to see you you fill into these positions and feel comfortable and and grow and Blossom in these positions because I know the skills that you're learning now are going to carry on and be very important in your in your later college careers and working careers so so thanks again for everything that you do for the students on your campuses and for the information that you bring we really appreciate it and it was it was mentioned I think Hannah you mentioned it about the the fall festivals and I had a chance to visit a number of the the fall festivals that that were going on around the district this this past month and it was everywhere I went it was it was just fantastic to see the amount of uh staff participation the amount of student participation the amount of parent participation they were very very well attended and so I just just want to say a big congratulations to all the parents and the staff and the teachers um and the students who did such a great job in the in the various fall festivals I I really have to take my hat off to Mrs Morales at Phoenix Academy too because she was she volunteered to be the Target in the pie throwing contest and uh and and so she she was definitely the the the lady of the even she I guess it was like some kind of a fundraiser you know to throw pies at her but she was just just a great Sport and uh and getting all kinds of money for her causes so just just thank you for all the hard hard work that went into the fall festivals I know the students and the parents really enjoyed it and I also want to to say thank you to Mr Smith for allowing me to to come onto your campus and and hang out with you for a while it's always a blessing to to to go to High Desert Premiere and see what's going on there I just congratulate the teachers and the staff and the students for all the tremendous things that are going on at High Desert Mr Smith you were sharing with me about the sign significant Improvement in the attendance uh the significant Improvement in the graduation rate so I just want to say congratulations to you and your staff uh for the success of your focus program which uh heightens collaboration you know in your school community so just thank you for your for your leadership and the leadership of your staff uh in in that area so just uh again thank you for all the hard work that our our teachers our staff are doing parents doing every single day it's always always a blessing to get out on the campuses and and and share that and enjoy that with you so thank you that's all um I'm going to start with the students you all that spoke today you are man you are rock stars I almost want to say you get a star you get a star you get a star you get a star you get a star um I was really impressed by your Poise um it is not easy to speak in front of adults and um and to hold your own uh so I'm really I'm really really impressed with um what with what you had to share um I didn't do much this this uh last month but I did enough um I went to a trunk or tree uh at the town center and actually handed out um books to kids uh I was surprised that the kids and their families were interested in books and some of them wanted to take more than one book and the teachers union were gracious enough to say if you want two books and you can read it go ahead you know so I have to say thank you uh to to the teachers in this District because uh you know you extend yourselves outside of school uh you continue to be present on behalf of the students that you service congratulations to Mrs Buchanan I'm jealous um uh because we started the masas in governance but we wanted to do it the other way to do it virtual with the superintendent so they didn't let us Mar they didn't let us because in person yeah because was in town and we were not allowed to visit um so that's how we ended up doing ours um virtual and it is a two-day deal for us she does one day so we're good I'm not I'm not jealous that much to snatch your I know and by the way she took my kids trunk or treating for me too because I was down at Masters in governance so I'm jealous of that part I I played gramar and I've always like to anybody that wants their kids to be to have a grandma in place I'm ready I'll I'll take a place um I went to a craft show at Rancho verie and the parents were magnificent they had STS and I ended up buying two pumpkins uh one was Appo Valic High School color and one was Granite Hills color and and I kept thinking I'm going to bring it but I bought the pumpkin in October and I couldn't use it in November because Thanksgiving um um Veterans Day what do you call it Halloween is over so I didn't know how to do it but definitely I'm going to save it in a bag because I use it next in next October and it will be my it will be right here um uh thank you so much uh to all of the people who um who took the time to come to this event to this board meeting today um it's always a challenge to come to a board meeting and you may or may not be satisfied with what we have to say but we're always willing to listen to you and hopefully begin to tackle what you bring forward to us our job as a TR as trustees is to be of service my middle name is service and the students who got the biliterate um literacy certificate I should have had it when I was growing up I had to learn other languages I sit here and I speak seven languages but sometimes it takes me a while to translate what I'm trying to say because other languages are in play in my head so I need to be able to navigate how it is English is not my first language so I keep trying to make it happen but I thank you all uh for taking the time to come here I appreciate your children and what they're bringing to us thank you so much thank you that's very good I like to commend all the parents and the staff that that come tonight that's good I love the sound of kids I want to really commend uh Hannah and Sophia you've really improved and it's going to serve you well in life and uh don't worry Isel you're doing good too with your smile and your personality you could talk your way out of a prison camp you know now it's good to hear that Granite after all these years is going to the playoffs I know it means a lot to me and Dan rencon is a former student of mine and um this is going to be good should be a good weekend little bit of Victory on yeah it will be both both high schools will do well so with that we'll um get our closed session reports and then we'll let the students leave yeah go ahead go now no no you you dropped something there thank you so much hey we'll seear r good job thanks that is all so funny he he could talk his way out of the prison okay Maria will give us our close session reports in Clos session the Board of Trustees took action in support of the following recommendation from the superintendent conference with labor negotiator on a motion by R Mr Raley and and seconded by Mr Ry the Board of Trustees approved the following the memorandum of understanding with the Apple Valley UniFi Teachers Association dated September 28 2023 regarding emergency closure on a vote of 5 in close session the Board of Trustees took action in support of the following recommendation from the superintendent conference with labor negotiator on a motion by RC seconded by okara the Board of Trustees approved the following approve the memorandum of an agreement with the California School Employees Association CA chapter 828 dated September 20th 2023 regarding article 16 reclassification that's it thank you uh now I need a approval motion to approve the agenda as is so moveed second all in favor I I no recognition at this time discussion information by um Mr slasher on um implication of electronic cigarettes and Education Code 48915 thank you thank you thank you Javier this is not a new topic but there is new implications um based on some legal anal is that our staff has done and with in conjunction with our attorneys electronic cigarettes vaping devices are um ask any school administrator really any parent or student um they're all too common on campuses and it's um you know sort of a constant job working to make sure that these aren't on campus and then when they are um they're you know taking action to remove them what's implication today is 48915 which is um about is really at what point does this cross the threshold and become a drug and so um there it is just real quick so we're all defining the terms and talking about things in the same way um these vaping devices are one they're really hard to detect they're tiny as you might imagine and or they're larger ones they come in all shapes and sizes but they have to have these three elements some kind of battery or power source a heating element and then a tank or pod to put whatever the liquid is into it and of course all kinds of crazy chemicals are put into these what's Germain for us today is yes of course they have nicotine in them some of them but they of course now also in California they have THC quite commonly and they're also adding flavorings right all of these are actually prohibited at school by either Ed code 48900 H 48900 C but of course now we have the implications potentially for 48915 they're also um prohibited because all of our schools because we've received federal funds must be alcohol-free and drug free so they're they're prohibited for adults or students no one can have them there so for nicotine only as I mentioned 48 900h kind of is the governing Ed code that allows us to administer student discipline for you know what um for cigarettes I can remember as a senior in Al Valley High School there was a smoking section this Ed code wasn't in place right outside the gym I really didn't understand that exactly how that was supposed to work by the girl side yeah it's not there anymore that was a long time ago I'm old but of course um School administrators aren't coming across cigarettes quite commonly anymore right that's the most that's a very rare thing it's very often these these Vape devices with nicotine so this Ed code applies but as you remember from our training from um regarding School discipline these Ed codes in the 48 900s require secondary findings other means of Corrections have been applied and have repeatedly failed or due to the nature of the incident um it's such so egregious and dangerous that the student must be removed permanently our response typically of course confiscation parent contact counseling and and cessation activities we use the tobacco use prevention education curriculum there are mitigating factors right frequency is it being sold those kinds of things can up the level of of student discipline and move that along quicker so that we you know can make ultimately we're trying to keep these out of school and and really keep students healthy that's if they're tobacco only however if they're THC related um of course we can use 48900 C the one that governs all drugs but remember that that Ed code points us to a section of division 10 of the health and safety code and causes us to look for definitions there now again it's the 48900 Ed code requires secondary findings we really have to make sure we're following now this one doesn't you know this this is this is important to note the difference between the 48900 where you can suspend or there can be a recommendation for expulsion but we have to have those secondary findings what's different is 48915 A1C here remember must happen at school or on off school grounds at a school activity so this cannot be uh students walking home and on their way home they get caught um you know maybe behind a store or another house U on the path of travel with these devices we'd have to use 48 8900 C but if they're at a school sanctioned event on campus or off then this Ed code could apply so note also that it does again point us to section 11053 of division 10 of the health and safety code and it says interestingly that the First Defense of possession of not more than 1 ounce of marijuana or other than concentrated cannabis now typically students again one ounce of marijuana of the leaf of the plant it's pretty uncommon to have students with that quantity of course if we do then we have this Ed code to use if they have less than an ounce this Ed code doesn't apply the question we have is what does concentrated cannabis really mean we've been looking for a really clear definition because of these vape pens again this this is all new territory over the last five years and we wanted to make sure we really understood this so we have to follow the references right um chapter 2 section of division 10 it really just tells us to start 11053 1154 is where it says that cannabis is on list so it's in there it's identified but it does not tell us what concentrated means it does point us back to chapter one where chapter one says here's the list of definitions and it does have a concentrated cannabis definition where it says that really essentially anything that's not the plan where it's separated resin or concentrate well that's exactly what's in these vape pens I mean that's what's there so that means any wax resin oil concentrate that's THC labeled or our drug our Police Department tests and verifies that it does have THC in it does conform to the 48915 A1C definition of concentrated cannabis here's why we're talking to you about this um in part this Ed code then says the superintendent or principal shall recommend expulsion unless other means of Correction will work now think of the circumstances here if this unfortunately these devices periph are common they're just out there in the world they're at they're they're legal in the state so they're they might be legally at a child's home so um the circumstances could be anything from student bringing them to school and selling them and we you know that's a behavior that we believe leave needs immediate attention and severe discipline but it could be a a kindergarten student who doesn't really know what it is and throws it in a backpack and brings it to school and now we're dealing with that and in that case we may decide other means of Correction are appropriate but in this case based on this said code the principal would have to tell Mrs Nelson why they believe that an expulsion is not required that's a big change from how we've been dealing with these here to for so our steps are these one we wanted to make sure you were aware that this this is kind of raises these items to a kind of a higher level of alert and awareness we want to make sure and do some staff training next steps make sure and do a parent campaign and student awareness because this will be potentially a CH for us we're hoping a chance to really make people aware that this is these are devices that can't be at school that we have to take a hard stance with this and that if they are at home leave them there so that's really the basis of this we wanted to start with making sure that we delineated the definition where we got it that it's been vetted by legal council and that we're going to go forward in this manner so not not the it's a terrible topic to follow up these great student presentations but and yet in the interest of student safety an important one so I'll pause for questions I have question um so I I just actually today I read a story and it actually was about the president uh passing or signing legislation Banning certain types of cigarettes but then on this in the same story there was uh about vaping in the in schools in that the numbers were way down and I was like and the numbers were so low it was like one to two% of students that are using any type of Vape whether it's THC nicotine or you know flavored stuff are we is it an epidemic is this was that story wrong are we seeing a reduction in good question Ving I'd have to leave that to our high school administrators and kind of tap into them based anecdotally on what I'm hearing it's not it's it's still an issue all yes we have nodding heads yeah maybe we lag behind what I hope is a trend that's coming our way right yeah I was shocked to see that it was such a low numbers they said cigarettes is almost you know there's there's no cigarettes anymore it's all it's all vaping but the numbers even for Vape were down so hopefully it's well we hope so and you know maybe this campaign can continue to push that awareness because not only of course do we see it but we see students who just can't go without it right they just really struggle to be away from that just because of the addiction yeah yeah great that's all I have J well the only question I have is um we do know that vaping is highly um addictive yeah and um and I'm just wondering if we do have a treatment program where we can send uh students who are getting so addicted to it yet I understand that there's a study out there that says it's not it's not a big a big issue um but because I also work in a school system it is a big issue really big you know so um when the students uh show up in your classroom and you turn your back and then NE the next second when you turn around you have this smoke screen around you know somebody is vaping yeah uh so um this is important enough for us to pay attention uh before we be before we start losing our kids yeah I agree and that's something the high school administrators have worked to do from the point of view of of bringing in um even if need be our therapists right to say okay this is this is not only do we need to administer appropriate discipline but when you do come back what are we going to do to make this different for you and so that might mean counseling um it might mean referral to an outside agency but if we need if if need be have we've been trying to use in-house solutions to that as well I'm gonna apologize up front Dennis that um I I'm chairs get used during professional development and we try to tell people not to use them um because they get changed and Mr vender likes his not to rock and so I sent Kylie down on the floor just now to fix it for him and she dropped him to the ground like that's what happened she can't stop laughing I didn't want the audience or people on line watching or I I got Amanda looking at me like everybody okay no but this is how the superintendent operates with her executive assistant she puts her on the ground to fix something and doesn't take responsibility for it so I apologize Kylie that I made you do that Dennis I'm sorry that we just dropped your chair and I'm sorry to the audience that we had to have that moment but just um bear with us yeah that was so i' like I'd like to point out on Netflix they have a a special documentary it's entitled vape and how it was developed at Stamford and how they made Millions it's only three episodes but it's an eye opener how damaging that thing is especially the teen girls that get addicted to the flavors and it's like 10 times as strong as a cigarette it's crazy but I mean it really opens your eyes to watch it simple thank you simple Vape is the title of it okay thank you I apologize no that's all right that a good job Pat Kylie do we have any public comments we have two okay Javier [Music] should I'm sorry I hope to be as tall uh ladies and gentlemen of the board and esteemed cabinet I stand before you again with a sense of urgency and a call to action as we anticipate the arrival of prop 28 funds at our last meeting I laid the foundations for a transformative Vision one where the Arts play a critical role in cognitive development and academic Excellence it is essential that we revisit this profound impact of music education underscored by double blind studies which I shared with you last time which shows uh that music enhances the cognitive performance more significantly than any other activity um our district has been spending significantly on music education but with no clear coordination or articulation between the elementary middle and high school uh the need for a visual arts performing the vapa coordinator Visual and Performing Arts coordinator has become even more apparent as I meet with my vapa colleagues currently I'm the longest serving director of instrumental music at the high school uh and the head of our Premier Performing Arts Academy the great Academy I am keenly aware of the potential that lies within our grasp yet as we stand at the cusp of this opportunity I feel a growing concern that without immediate planning and the guidance of a dedicated vapa coordinator we may not fully capitalize on the resources that will soon be available to us the conversation around a vapa coord coordinator should not be perceived as another item on our agenda but as a strategic necessity this role will be pivotal in creating a cohesive arts program that not only support our students artistic P Pursuits but also Advance their academic achievement and life skills this isn't about adding structure for structure sake but about unlocking the full potential of our students abilities therefore I urge the district to initiate proactive conversations and planning sessions our Readiness to utilize the prop 28 funds efficiently will set the stage for the Caliber Caliber of Arts education we aspire to provide our commitment to this cause will demonstrate will be demonstrated to our community and others looking to us as a model that we can prioritize educational excellence and Innovation uh therefore our I'm sorry our district has the potential to be a beacon of Arts education where students Thrive not only in their educational Endeavors but also in their academic and personal growth a vapa coordinator can ensure that we achieve this Vision with the attention and the skill it deserves uh let us not delay in this endeavor the time to act is now we must come together to prepare plan and position ourselves to be ready for the moment these funds are released next month I'm being told uh I here to prepare I'm here to prepare and assist and I'm eager to collaborate in any way that I can and to ensure that our district stands ready to embark on this transformative journey I look forward to having your support and working with uh all the stakeholders thank you so much thank you next Shane what's your motto golly Churchill no say what in Churchill here and I have a Winston Churchill connection there Blood Sweat and Tears yes Blood Sweat H and tears which uh I will have none of today um that being said I just I wanted to go ahead and start by first of all um just thanking everyone here um in my 24 years of uh being a music teacher in this District I've felt so grateful for the support that our community um our administrators our district our board members have always given and I felt so blessed to be able to go ahead teach in Apple Valley Unified that being said um I want to speak to what Javier was mentioning um the passage of prop 28 gives us a unique opportunity to go ahead and look at ways we can go ahead and improve even more upon what our Arts education is going to be providing our students um as SAR was saying you know service to these students is primary what I wanted to go ahead and do is basically supplement Javier's speech um and make it nice and quick so we can get everybody else out of here and that that is just to go ahead and also speak to the need for a Visual and Performing Arts um coordinator many districts um many of which are smaller and larger than ours um have found that that is something that benefits um I actually have uh will be giving you guys I guess digly tomorrow morning a list of um essentially the what is required of of EPA coordinator U we have wonderful um directors within our um our District um leadership roles um I know we have one that is kind of overseeing our music programs in general but the amount that um what a vaa coordinator can bring um is so much more than I think any one person who's already has a ton on her plate to go and try to also add on um if we were to go ahead and look at the opportunity of having a prob 28 um funded position um there are so many things um I I can just throw out there really fast advoc advocacy promotion Cur development um equit equ equity and access Community or um engagement um getting um articulation between the the elementary middle school and high school um things that's something that I've always loved seeing in other districts is the ability to go ahead and da a districtwide um articulation where the younger kids get a chance to go and work um all the way up through their programs and we have some wonderful um elementary and middle school music programs that exist because of the administrators or individual teachers who have um that that experience and knowledge but to be able to have somebody who can coordinate that and um and see the things that you guys will get a chance to read tomorrow morning um to say oh wow our district really could go ahead and um take what we have already to the next level I encourage you guys to go ahead and uh consider the possibility of looking into maybe seeing if we can use some of that prop 28 money to find a vision Performing Arts uh coordinator thank you all so much thank you [Applause] discussion session we need to approve the certificated and classified Personnel actions as listed I have a motion second all in favor I I approved the recommendation for requested leave as noted I move second I'll second all in favor I I approve the proposal for Daybreak Health Elementary family fanthropy do I have a motion so move second we need a discussion on okay let's let's go for it yeah or I can wait till the items seconded and open for discussion it has been okay you want to set it aside just want to make sure um answer any questions should there be any regarding this item it's a it's a large U contract to add the ability to provide um Family telea Health in areas where and grade levels and really ages where we're currently not able to do that but it's an area of great need and we've had such good experience working with Daybreak health so far um that we wanted to just make sure and bring this to you and just give you an opportunity to ask questions should you have one how do you how do you determine who goes who gets the service at the moment um right well of course right now what we're doing is we're making a referral through care solos so direct directly to dmcc and or trying to assist a family service through their healthare provider these would be families who tell us we have no other way but we need help currently we cannot we can't really reach them or get services to them unless dmcc the the local Desert Mountain children center can serve them if for some reason they cannot or if that service is going to take several weeks to set up this might act as a bridge until such Services could be rendered okay I I don't have a problem with it because I do know that uh dmcc is is overloaded yeah and sometimes when you ask for those Services it may take months to even get opportunity to be in front of somebody so if the district is moving forward to be able to service the kids that we have and there's a need I say we move forward with it I just wanted you to explain it so that the public will know what it's all about thank you for that opportunity okay and do I have a second I'll second I'll second all in favor approve the recommendation of the administrative hearing chairperson second it's exposion number two right number two 20324 I move second I I'll second the motion all in favor I I okay expulsion case number three 2023 through 24 motion move second I I'll second all in favor I all right the consent agenda it's um 1 through 33 to expedite everything we'll do it all at once so can I have a motion to approve one through 33 I'd like to PLL number 15 please number what 15 did she say 15 15 15 yeah one five that's it I'm going to pull number that's your number I'm going to pull numbers 910 uh 24 30 and 31 so nine starts so nine and 10 um the reason I'm pulling nine and 10 is I we have to we have to approve it the let me just clarify you are making a motion to um approve one through 8 11 through 14 yes 16 through 23 25 5 through 29 32 and 33 correct okay so if there can be a motion to approve those then we can go back and I move have a second I'll second all in favor I okay what's the deal with nine nine and 10 uh they travel together so I have a question um they have the same um board policy one is Administrative RS and one is a board policy and they're all dealing with um they're all dealing with um uh uniform complaint however as I'm reading it the language is not the same for both I know that one is AR and one is um um board policy so I'm kind of curious about why the language is a little different for both Miss opara are you the one you had called me about today was um 131 12.1 board policy and AR you pulled board policy 131 12.2 and 131 12.3 okay so I'm I think I can answer all all of the above if that if that helps that works yeah yeah I understand the question I believe in reference back to the variance in language between the 1321 board policy and the 13121 uh administrative regulation just to be clear that down there on item number nine and 10 those are 131 12.2 and3 both of which are board policies here for a first read um 131 12.2 is exclusively focused on complaints concerning curriculum so with we ever have a curriculum complaint come in uh that that is the board policy that governs that process and then 131 12.3 is pretty much our our uniform complaint procedure uh policy which are our what I would call our higher level complaint those that have to do with discrimination harassment things like that for protected class but our 131 12.1 those are our general I don't want to say run-of-the-mill and make it sound like I'm downplaying it but our our general Personnel complaints things that people have concerns about that may not meet the threshold and if you look at the structure of the board policy versus the administrative regulation you'll notice the board policy in typical fashion tells us you know what we need to do the administrative regulation is kind of how we do that these have to be read in unison because when we read board policy 13 board policy for the point.

4:00 is everyone ready all right we will start in 5 4 3 2 1 good afternoon um it is 4 p.m. and I'd like to call the board meeting to order for the Arizona schools for the deaf and the blind um Britney could you do roll Linda both present Bry beanan I am present Chapman no okay uh Lynn Davidson here Michael Gordon I'm here Su kifil here Katie sienko um let me think about it physically yes I'm present mentally not so much that's fair oh good okay moving on to agenda item 1.02 information item open meeting law presentation um Deborah Sterling ask can you hear me through the mic keep going keep going keep going can can you hear me through the mic now now no what should I do a little for theic is that is that better doesn't matter okay is that better okay good afternoon my name is Deborah Sterling I'm an Assistant Attorney General with the office of the Arizona attorney general I'm in the state government division education and health and I've been asked today to talk to you about the open meeting law um I did send a presentation so you should have something on as a board agenda item the one of the most important things to remember is that the policy of the opening un law was that it was enacted to ensure that meetings of public bodies be conducted openly and that notices and agendas be provided for such meetings contain information that helps the public to inform the public of what will be discussed or decided is that better now okay thank you sorry um there are two the policy sorry okay the policy the open meeting law has two interrelated requirements one is notices must be posted promptly and with a required information and the meeting must be conducted openly that's right sorry okay not a problem sorry about that okay to whom does the open meeting law apply all public bodies except for a very few specific ones that are Exempted and all quasi judicial bodies all standing special or spe or advisory committees that are appointed by a public body the open meeting Law requires that the public body post an agenda at least 24 hours in advance on on their website or in a public building where they as part of their notice and it has to include the the time that the public will if you're having a meeting in public in in person the AL media law now requires you post the time that this building will be accessible to the public that is a new requirement it actually went into into effect like two days ago um and you have to make the other important requirement is you have to make minutes or audio recordings or videos available within three within three days after the meeting um the meeting in in addition to websites it should be posted publicly some place physically so that someone can come and look at the physical posting this presentation will actually focus more on the open meeting law as it pertains to board members okay what is a meeting this has become more complicated over technology and time a meeting is commonly defi defined as a gathering in person or now through technological technological devices telephones emails video of a quorum of a public body which they may discuss prepare and take action and specifically includes a one-way communication by a member of the public that is s to a quorum and that proposes legal action so you have to be very careful particularly and I'll get into this a little bit later particularly between emails and phone calls and video conferences one of my basic recommendations is public business be done at a public meeting and therefore you have a quorum everything is appropriately noticed and there's no issues about whether things were discussed that should not have been at a different time important part is the agenda all discussions must be reasonably related to an adequately described agenda item so you have to think about how you want to um frame the agenda item to to be reason related to everything you think might be might want to discuss um a quorum a quorum is a number of members that is needed to have an official meeting for the asdb board the Quorum is in statute it says the Quorum must have five members so in order to have a meeting you must have five members of your board present and that not all you know that varies by board sometimes it's in statute sometimes it's not but yours is very clear now recusals and I'll get into that I got into more in conflict of interest but recusals do change the Quorum it decreases the number of people that are present for a quorum so you have to remember that when you're looking at if someone needs to recuse themselves from an order however well for your in your instance because the Quorum is always five members it doesn't matter how many vacancies you have on your board you know some boards do vary by the number of filled seats on their board but yours does not your your statute says five members five members make a quorum so it does not matter how many vacant seats you might have you always have to have five members of the board to um to have an open meeting and to take action and taking action includes discussion um extensions that is when you're voting if you decide to abstain because you do not think you should Vote or you not want to vote that does not affect the Quorum okay there's I'm just going to briefly talk about this again um because there come more of an issue more recently a quorum can be established Excuse Me Miss Sterling sure I apologize for interrupting this is Linda Bo hi Deborah um I just wanted to interrupt briefly to clarify um because I would like to have you um State a little bit more clearly for us the difference between abstention and recusal of course um I do understand uh that one affects qu and one does not but are they you are talking about different things correct can you clarify that for us please correct yes yes what a recusal is is when you have a statuto defined conflict of interest and by Statute you cannot vote on it an exension is when you do not have a statutorily required conflict of interest but you do not want to vote on it okay and then um can you rein or reiterate how each of those affects Quorum an exstension does not affect Quorum because you just abstain you vote a recusal does affect Quorum because you do not vote at all any other questions on that okay please feel free to ask questions as I go along thank you for clarifying okay board meetings are held as public sessions that is the board must allow the public to attend and the public to listen and the public is also allowed to videotape audio tape and and um tape tape recorder I guess so few people use that anymore I forgot to put that in there but they're allowed to tape it what they are not allowed unless the board authorizes call to the public the public comments they are not allowed to talk at a board meeting that is the open meeting law requires that they be able to attend and listen however the board is discretionary and whether it wants to allow public comments and they have some discretion about how they about how they do that and different boards do it in different ways basically you have to make reasonable you have to determine how you want to do your call to public using Reas reasonable as as the standard okay um because I've seen this on various different agendas some boards have one call to the public and include anything um other other boards have several board have several calls to the public sometimes they do it by a call to the public for agendize items which actually means the board can discuss the issue because it's on the agenda um if the call if the call to the public is for non- agendized items the the board cannot discuss those items because they are not on the agenda and some some boards do a call to the public after every section and that really is at your discretion that really is a policy by the board okay and clarify the board can make reasonable time place and manner restrictions on the speakers so you can set it up uh some boards have a time limit some boards do not but it really depends again that's a policy decision by the board in a call to the public if it's not an already agendized item the board cannot take any action except at the end of the call the public the board can determine whether it wants to put it on a future agenda item whether it wants to direct staff or someone else to look at it and come back with it there is a exception that talks about if a board member is criticized the board member can respond I usually recommend that not happen it gets it's just not well defined and um the best course in my my recommendation is that whatever the public member says just ex you know listen to it and if you want to respond you can respond at another time if it's you know at a different meeting okay um board board meetings are always public they always start public they have to start in the public and they have to end in the public session but in between you're authorized to have executive sessions for certain specific specified topics um what that means is that you have the board first of all has to vote to go into executive session that is their choice that's a policy decision whether they go into executive session um there's some executive sessions like confidential records where I don't think it's much of an issue but there are other issues where boards do split on whether or not they want to go to Executive session in executive session the public is not in invited they cannot listen they are not invited to come in I will go over briefly um the executive sessions they include employment issues um purchase sale lease of real property pending or contemplated litigation contract negotiations confidential records and added this past legislative session that added school safety plans and programs and safety of building and critical infrastructures as as things you could discuss in executive session now there is one broader um executive session that is for legal advice and what and because you don't always know board doesn't always know whether or not you will need legal advice um you are allowed by the open meaning law to put us a notice in your not to section the board may go May request legal advice at any for any of the agendized items for the other types of executive sessions it is always recommended that you specifically note why you're going into executive session for that specific agenda item um if you know you're going into executive session for legal advice i' recommend that you put that in anyway um but you always have to put in for the other types of executive sessions um I want to talk a little bit I talked about this briefly a few minutes ago email and phones please members of the public board must be careful when U imizing emails or phones you can't use it for discussions that are going to come before the public body and it's probably just and it's not a good it is it is a good practice not to if you are using email not to not to have reply all to other board members and I know I've seen this we do we do have language that you put on emails because you may un unintentionally create a quorum and a quorum can be created if person a talks to person B then person B talks to person C conveying also person A's conversation and you get up to five you can get up to five pretty quickly so um while it's easy to use email it's become much more of an issue to laugh 10 15 years and you can appropriately use email for communication um just ensure you don't inadvertently um create a quorum because that would be an open meeting law violation and you don't start a discussion um it's to convey essentially information it's not to start a discussion discussions are to be done at public meetings in public sessions or executive session if appropriate okay um in in that vein the other thing is make sure when you do do discussions um that they don't if you're if you're discussing something think about whether or not it reasonably will lead to a board matter because that becomes very important when you sometimes make be inadvertently end up with a quorum or talk you know end up having a phone call they call it a phone used to be called a phone tree now it's more likely at email stream but it's particularly problemsome if it's something that's likely to come before the board because that should be done at a public meeting and these public meetings do not have to be created at the same time unlike a public meeting like today where everybody's here at the same time time and you know when it starts and you know when it ends if you inadvertently create a public meeting by email and sometimes phone calls are most likely these days emails it doesn't have to be simultaneous you can track emails as we know and if you end up talking to a quorum or doing other things that are not appropriate is leading a discussion um then you looking at potential violations of the open meting law um one of the things that is important is that if you do in inadvertently Viola an open meeting law um during one discussions or one of year votes um essentially that decision becomes null and void now there are two ways to handle that if the date of the decision is important that is you had to decided at this meeting you go through a process called ratification of that um if it's if you if you simply need to decide it at the next meeting or future meeting you can do that too ratification is um a complicated issue I wasn't going to get into it here but if it ever happens we you know I'll certainly be glad to assist but there is a specific procedure if that happens um okay enforcement of the open meeting law uh the open meeting law is generally enforced by the Attorney General's office my office there's an open meeting law enforcement team or by the county office in which the violation occurred the attorney general or County attorney will initiate an investigation May resolve the issue actually file a lawsuit with the public body usually meets it goes to a lawsuit the court May impose penalties and the board may not expend public money to employ or retain legal counsel to the board or any of its officers at any legal action pursuant to this unless otherwise authorized to make such an expenditure um I think that there's no further questions um I did on the outline put two additional related um the meeting law is the Arizona attorney general's office has on its website Arizona attorney general handbook it has a section an open meeting the um busman has a section um budsman has published booklets both on open meeting law and actually on public records and usually those are the ones that I often refer to they they are very recent they're done in 20123 they include the Attorney General's chapter they include the statute of itself and include very useful and helpful questions and answers um related issues as I've sort of skirted around here is conflict of interest and public records does anybody have any questions can you hear me yes um just a question where you said that you cannot have meetings with less than a majority of the public body meeting with individual members so like two of us yeah can't talk or yes yes okay [Music] um you can't have a public meeting and in your case it's five for board members you can meet with less than a quorum as long as you're careful about that it does not expand to a quum my blanket advice is just do public business at public meetings however I do recognize that that may not always be the practical way so when you if you have to do it if you want to you want to do it you know one on ones many boards do that um just be careful that it does not expand to meet the Quorum okay thank you anything else I can help you with any other comments or questions for Deborah thank you so much I appreciate your time tonight thank you moving on to agenda item 1.03 call to the public for agendized items I have I I don't think my mic is working I have one I have one agenda uh one public comment and it's from Joe malinka hello good afternoon everyone superintendent rikman assistant superintendent and Cooper and board of directors thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this evening I would like to discuss policy gbba access to communication I have been a staff interpreter at ASB for 15 years I had the honor and privilege to be a part of the committee who worked tirelessly and passionately to develop this policy we were hoping to submit it to you back in July but we had a few uh encounters that we had to resolve and we are here now I hope that you will read and consider this policy and think about the staff here at ASB think about their experiences what they encounter as they try to access this environment they should have an environment that is open to them with no restrictions I am incredibly proud of the work that this committee has done and I hope that you will read it and approve it I do understand that this is a first read if you wanted to rush it through I mean of course that's up to you and again I thank you for your time and consideration have a good evening thank you no other comments with no other public comments we will move on to agenda item 1.04 the superintendent report superintendent rikman good afternoon president Kel members of our board acting assistant superintendent catcha assistant superintendent Cooper and our asdb community Welcome to our November 2nd 2023 board meeting November it's already started the official start of our 2023 holiday season right we're all getting to become very busy getting ready for holidays such as Thanksgiving Christmas New Year's and all the other holidays my presentation this afternoon follows a theme said to on effective communication and transparency I'm going to start us off with a story I feel like I haven't done that in a while I found a story that was interesting a little bit humorous but also shows an analogy of the problems and considerations when we think about effective communication and transparency I read an article about a man last year who was going going to Indonesia he was to be providing a training and a workshop there finished and then was ready to come back home to the US he was at the airport and saw that the plane was on the runway he was excited that it would be on time it looked like it was going to be ready to take off he sat with the other passengers boarded the airplane and when he sat down he began to relax and fell asleep fell asleep for a while then woke up because he heard some yelling and he wondered what's happening he took a look around and realized that the plane had not yet taken off he looked at the time and it was 45 minutes past takeoff time I didn't know what was going on the other passengers began to get irate wondering what was wrong what was happening and they were beginning to yell at the flight attendants the flight attendants were trying to deescalate the passengers and calm them down assuring them that everything was okay but that was there was a little bit of a delay but they would sure surely soon take off so please remain in your seats keep your seat belts off and of course they did not listen to the flight attendance they got up started to move about the cabin and then they heard the captain make an announcement saying sorry folks we have had a little bit of a medical Emer emergency over here we're taking care of it once that is resolved we will take off that information did not calm Anybody Everybody became even more upset with one M even saying there's a coid Outbreak on this plane get me out of here right now sure enough that woman disembarked with her luggage and some other passengers did as well a little bit later the captain made another announcement saying that that medical emergency had been resolved and that they were ready for takeoff and they took off I'll give you a second to think about that what was worse no information or some information I'm not sure but at first no information caused a lot of angst anxiety anger people didn't like being in the dark and then when you only provide some information people start to add on other information it then becomes their reality and that is a great analogy when we think about effective communication and transparency which is what I wanted to talk about this afternoon is our efforts to improve our communication and our transparency we know that effective communication and transparency is critical to our agency's culture to our relationships that we have with the community just look at our operating principles accountability collaboration and transparency that transparency component is probably one of the more difficult things for us and then when we look at our board's strategic plan the very first pillar is effective communication and relationships with those two together we have to think about how it is how can we become effective communicators and become more transparent for me as superintendent that has been one of the most challenging parts of my job how how we effectively communicate with the agency with the board with the community how can we be transparent about agency decisions with that last spring as you all are aware Miss Donna Williams our agency on buds person did a series of focus groups there were 11 of them in total focusing on communication and she collected a lot of information and feedback and with that she gave us four recommendations the first recommendation was to develop an internal communication strategy the second recommendation was to create meaningful opportunities for staff to provide feedback the the third was to provide more information and access to you the board for our staff and the fourth is that me as superintendent and our two assistant superintendents become more visible we have been working on all four just so happens that last February both before those focus groups we had a steering committee meeting that steering committee is comprised of 5 to70 leaders from across the agency they met together to talk about different topics but at this particular steering committee meeting I asked them what do we need to do to improve our communication What specifically can I do better and they provided great feedback we had seven action items one example you know that after each board meeting I write a summary I tell everybody what happened throughout the agency what has been happening at the board meeting in a summary and I've been doing that thus far I'm trying to keep my commitments to improve my communications with the agency so that's the first recommendation from Donna the second is to make meaningful opportunities for our staff and the community as well to provide feedback we just did three town halls those Town Halls were focusing on the different qualities for our Nest assistant superintendent those three town halls were held October 10th 17th and 24th the first in Phoenix Tucson and virtual we had a total of 34 participants and we took detailed notes at each Town Hall that we have put into a summary we received feedback from the community about the assistant superintendent qualities that information has been brought to the steering committee we met for the first time in person just like this past Monday it's the first time that we were able to meet in person since the fall of 2019 this has all been online and I am so relieved to be back in person we had 50 people in the room together talking about again some different actions on how and what we can do to improve Communications and not just me or our assistant superintendent but how all of our leaders here within our agency can improve communication I asked them to rank which of their action items were the most important that we could focus on to improve communication we have that information today it is now being compiled and will be developed into our internal communication strategy we will use that as a guide for specific actions that all of us can take responsibility for for effective communication so during that steering committee we also provided information about the master facility plan if you can remember at the last board meeting our director of operations Albert Duff provided an informational session about the master facilities plan he again presented to the leaders within the agency and we opened it up to feedback we want to hear from them about what needs to be included and thought through with the master facilities plan we also talked about the office of civil rights resolution agreement that we are currently in with OCR and some of the work that we've been doing as pertains to that we shared that information with the agency leadership and got some feedback about some out outstanding confusion and how we can make some better decisions moving forward so we have that third information about and access to the board we have begun that process my last Vlog to the agency focused on our board I talked about the state constitution the state laws what they say about what kind of representation is on the board what the governor does to appoint and select people on the board and then your roles and responsibility as the governing agency of asdb is to make and establish policies to evaluate programs evaluate me as the superintendent and so on we will continue to provide that information to our agency and Community about the work that you do and who you are so that's number three checked off number four visibility October was the jackpot I was incredibly V busy and more visible than I think I've ever been since 2019 the first week of October I flew to Kentucky for CB conference the Council of school administrators for the blind that's a national level conference that I attended they told me that I had disappeared and that's true I had disappeared for about 4 years but my presence was felt that week later I went to Rochester New York to ntid for the national Advisory Group meeting I was there for that and then we had our three town halls in October we had the board work study session we met with some of our teachers who are members of the asdb educational Association and then I went to the Arizona Association of the deaf conference which was all day and saw some of you there some of us from ASV were there and I didn't coordinate any of it I just showed up and bumped into Jill Voit and bumped into Paul Saunders our two principles for our sites found out that Jill brought six or seven students from pdsd high school students there were several other staff members I think Sarah was there I'm going to I'm not going to name all of the names but we were well represented at the Arizona Association for the deaf conference it was very neat that that happened like I said the town halls in October and then at the very end of October just 2 days AG go was Halloween and I was in Tucson meeting two state legislators they came to tour the Tucson campus and that was Arizona state senator Gowan and Arizona state representative cook they have an interest in our Master facilities plan and they wanted to tour the Tucson campus that gave us an opportunity to discuss with the two of them about what it is that we need to do with our Master facility and our Capital renewal of our Tucson campus but while we were there of course we had to introduce them to our students who were wearing their costumes we brought them to the cafeteria all of our students had costumes on and so they were passing out candy and interacting with our students there it just so happened that our principal was dressed up in costume and his two assistant principls were matching they had snow white themed costumes it was very cool we had a lot of fun on Halloween it was a great opportunity for the state legislators to become connected with our students and to see who we are educating and serving on the Tucson campus it was phenomenal so again visibility October just so happened to be the perfect month so we know that it is critical to have effective communication and transparency we understand that for all of us that sense of stability and connectedness we can only get that when we have effective communication and transparency so to have that stability and connectedness that will improve our agency's culture and climate I want to try to quote Steven cvy he talks about trust trust is the glue in life it is essential it's an essential ingredient in effective communication it is also the fundamental principle that holds together all of our relationships thank you I'll take any questions any questions from the board I have a comment um I just like that quote a lot superintendent rikman thank you okay seeing no other comments or questions we'll move on to agenda item 1.05 information item um from assistant superintendent attendent of curriculum instruction um your report Orin good afternoon excuse me good afternoon board president kifl members of the board superintendent rikan assistant superintendent kooper and the asdb community for my report I want to focus on three things the first being about eating frogs the second about our tinant programs and the third about our new sped director and the duties under the new sped director so let's start with talking about eating frogs in 2017 Brian Tracy wrote a book titled eat that frog and I do want to thank Marilyn Brooks an asdb itinerant teacher for sharing that book with me the basic premise of that book is that it is important to tackle your most challenging tasks first and to not procrastinate on the parts of your work that might be hard or painful so his analogy is that if you hurry up and eat that frog AKA take care of the most difficult task then the rest of your day week or year will have nowhere to go but up uh so we're we're currently eating some frogs um a current frog that we're eating is the Fallout from our teacher shortage both in the day schools and our itinerant programs today I'm going to focus just on the itinerant programs so about 36 years ago asdb started its itinerant program since then the itinerant programs has grown and currently makes up over half of the total number of students that asdb serves so again over half the students we serve are in the itinerant programs in comparison our ber the 3 Program makes up about 25% of the students and our two day schools and the preschools make up a little under the final 25% due to our teacher shortage we have had to stop accepting new districts as itinerant partners and are focusing on just serving the current contracted districts that we have each of these conversations is a frog and we currently have about eight districts who want to partner with us and are currently on a waiting list also in Region 2 we've had to share with many sped directors that based on our shortages uh what we can provide their students um we might be able to meet all the minutes and in some cases we might not be able to we have started a minute tracker so we are fully aware of what's happening and are being transparent with our sped directors um as to what's going on again these conversations have been eating frogs and I do want to say I appreciate everyone's professionalism during these hard conversations we appreciate all the brainstorming sessions that we're having with our our partnering districts to try and navigate these issues I do need to commend Rosetta Hicks the director of Region 2 as well as her staff especially Pam Kelk and Morgan Stenson on how they are handling these tough conversations Rosie and her team are showing up prepared with a lot of information on every single student to discuss what this shortage means in regards to what we can do now and what it might look like in the future I also want to commend how Jason Lily the director of Region 3 and Greer Paris the director of region 1 have collaborated with Rosie to see how their staff can assist with some of the teacher shortages that we're seeing here in Maricopa County this year these three directors have been functioning as a team and I really couldn't be prouder of all three of them I also want to commend Sarah satii our new sped director on the work that she's been tackling since starting at asdb this summer uh her welcome to asdb was pretty much us saying welcome to asdb here are two gigantic frogs that you need to eat these two really big frogs were our Student Health Center on the Tucson campus and the second one was trying to create consistency in our IEP processes which includes trying to find consistency between both campuses as far as referrals to the day schools consistencies in how we run IEP meetings and consistency in the roles of related service providers in these meetings the student health center in Tucson had major turnover this summer and Sarah was handed over a situation where we didn't even know if we would have a functioning Health Center for the first day of school due to her hard work the tooths Health Center was ready for the first day and she continues to work with Staffing challenges to ensure that we have a program there that meets all of our students needs in regards to the IEP processes asdb has never had a district sped director before or at least as far as I know um this means that Sarah's had to start with simple things like creating IEP Norms uh to harder things like having discussions as to how do we work with students who have very complex needs and do it consistently so again I want to thank Sarah I want to thank everybody at the Tucson campus who came up and was transparent about the needs that we had for the Student Health Center I want to thank our IEP Specialists um we have one in the ELP marine guchi and our two at the campuses Kim Akens and Abby Wagner uh for helping us eat these frogs as we move forward to create a a more productive tomorrow so as we enter the last months of 2023 I've been focusing my efforts on how we strengthen communication and systems between the various parts of the educational side of the agency I am trying to include the principles and the directors in more meetings and provide opportunities for them to be collaborative and hopefully this will lead to having a true team um that I can proudly turn over to whoever replaces me in July so in conclusion the phrase the whole is greater than the sum of its parts is Loosely attributed to Aristotle uh as I continue to have a greater understanding of each part of the agency and the great people working within those parts the more excited I get about the endless possibilities of this agency as we continue to get the parts to work together as a whole I do believe that as the staff leadership and this board continue to work together the next few years can lead to something special and historical for this agency thank you any questions I do have one Orin in regards to the minute tracking um how does that impact I'm just going to be direct about this revenues from those um contracted schools so that is a complex question um Rosie and our team did look at every single student looked at who were getting the voucher for the different levels of the voucher the fee for service and the different levels of fee for service and try to do um the best possible to where it does not affect Revenue um Again by doing the minute tracking we are kind of minute by minute seeing where we are and again being transparent with everybody so um you know it's relatively new we're only a couple months in um but right now I think it would be I I'm hesitant to say how it's going to affect Revenue because at this point I think it is kind of waiting to see where it will affect future revenue is we we can't with our current teachers we have we cannot not continue to expand and get new districts um we can't we we lost a lot of teachers last year and the refrain was kind of the same is they're they were being overworked and the minutes were too high so and thank you I would I would agree with that I think we need to make sure that we're maintaining um high quality step and not burning them at you know the candle at both ends so to speak so I appreciate that feedback um any thoughts on how um like how are you determining whether or not so if we have a current contract how are you determining whether or not you can take in another student from that contract um I understand not creating new contracts but if we're in a contract how do you make sure that we can serve equitably I guess is the word I'm looking for so for every te feature that we have in the itinerant setting we do have their case loads and their minutes uh we include their travel time and their prep time so depending on where they are in the valley um the number of hours in the day and the students they have then it really is up to the director and their team to decide can we take on another student or does it is it just not going to happen okay thank you I appreciate that any other questions okay moving on agenda item 1.06 assistant superintendent of agency operations and Support Services report assistant superintendent Cooper good afternoon board president kifil superintendent rikman acting assistant superintendent catch off members of the board asdb community and staff members each of the directors have provided to you their departmental reports as an opportunity to communicate on how we are effectively utilizing our resources and ensuring our systems are in place to support the learning teaching as well as the agency operations the information technology department continues to work on numerous activities enhancing our technical infrastructure and supporting staff with their various needs of setting up equipment and electronic devices as a transportation team continues to monitor the utilization and overall health of the agency Fleet we will be ordering eight more UVS this year to replace the fleet's older sedans using the annual special line item funding that we have of $369,000 you continuously hear about the designs of the master facility plan as you're aware they have already started site walkthroughs with the Mechanical plumbing and electrical engineering teams for both campuses have been completed as well as a stakeholder survey was completed where we received 104 for responses which has revealed a lot to Albert as our director of operations as well as to the rest of the agency on how important it is to our teachers and students and how we can operate and support everyone within our campuses while we prepare for the master facility plan Renovations we continue to seek funding um from the state which includes building renewal funds this year asdb was awarded over $2.7 million this year These funds will be used to replace carpets in various areas on both campuses replace old in air conditioning units on the Tucson campus upgrade electrical for the Tucson Campus Elementary building install new Energy Management systems on both campuses to reduce our carbon footprint and conserve energy as well as replace ing the spa Dome here on the Phoenix campus for business services the budget and financial report for September 23 and 2022 will be provided separately under agenda item 4.01 and all in all the team continues to work hard making sure that we're purchasing goods and services receiving and delivering ordered items as well as processing vendor payments travel claims and payroll for staff we have not not yet received an update from the State Office of strategic planning and budgeting yet on the 2025 budget package which we submitted various funding issues in September and to ensure that our budgetary needs are being met for this fiscal year the team continues to monitor our budgets to actuals frequently especially considering the costs we continue to incur for contracted transportation and nursing services in which our vendor rates have increased in comparison to last year primarily due to inflation we have also been recently informed effective with the November 1st preschool Services contract renewal with the foundation for blind children they are requesting an increase in their rates for transportation by about 10% nursing Services by 87% and psychologist evaluations by 133% FBC have indicated these rate adjustments are due primarily to an increased demand for nursing and transportation services provider shortages as well as economic factors we have not yet had an opportunity to thoroughly review and discuss the requests with FBC or the state procurement office so we will be requesting an extension the media team has several projects that they have been working on which includes updating the agency website creating new agency brochures with updated program information content and Graphics as well as creating a braille request system to better process our bail Braille requests they also worked with the superintendent on the town hall meetings creating an ASD policy complaint portal that includes applicable web forms and routing to ensure that they are fully accessible the human resources team along with the media team is actively addressing the ongoing Recruitment and Retention challenges that we continue to face salary increased recommendations and or salary schedule adjustments are still being identified and will be brought to the board in January for approval last but not least today in included in the consent item 6.01 is the approval of several salary schedule updates to address the minimum wage increase effective January 1st the State of Arizona minimum wage will increase from $13.85 to $14.35 we're requesting approval to adjust the noted salary schedules by 75 which will bring the starting rate to $475 from the current rate of $14 so we are above the minimum wage as a reminder and as an agency under the state we are not required to follow the minimum wage increase however we try to do so whenever possible to ensure we remain remain competitive with other employers and if approved effective January 6 all staff members on the classified salary schedule will receive the 75 increase for grades 1 through 22 except any staff member that is making over $100,000 per year annually will not be receiving the increase to ensure efficient and effective management of our resources it is my ongo goinging commitment to ensure that I provide transparent communication to all stakeholders that impact our students staff and families and that really wraps up my report for the evening thank you any questions from the board hearing and seeing none I'm moving on to 2.0 um one action item approval of the consent agenda consistent with board policy to include items 5.01 6.01 6.02 and an Omission which it'll also include 7.02 one moment please 7.01 is that there as well 7.02 not 7.01 oh two okay okay uh so can you please repeat that uh sure um it that's just the agenda item I would need to have a motion to approve the consent agenda items to include 5.01 6 .01 and 6 6.02 and 7.02 okay do I have a motion oh do you have a question Linda yes this is Linda Bo I do have a question can we hold on 7.02 um I'd like to hear a bit more information about that one from Maria Murphy so you mentioned 7.02 included in the consent agenda and I'm wondering it it's supposed to be if you look at the agenda it is listed as a consent agenda item it just wasn't placed under um 2.01 if you look at the agenda item it is it is labeled a consent agenda item it was just omitted under 2.01 um if I may add can I I can see why uh Miss Bo is confused because when we review this it shows 5.01 6.02 and 6.03 there's nothing saying 7.02 in that section right under 2.01 but if you look at 7.01 it or 7.02 it is listed as a consent a agenda item so I will I will entertain a motion to hold on 7.02 if you want to um make a motion including everything other than 7.02 so we can move forward with those I'm fine with that I will make a motion to hold 7.02 so that the board can have a little bit more time to review that I can you rephrase your motion to approve the consent agenda items that are that that we are looking at sure I would like to move forward with a motion to approve 5.01 6.01 and 6.02 and to hold on 7.02 for further discussion I have a motion do I have a second I'll second I have a motion and a second all in favor please say I I I I I any opposition motion carries for consent agenda items 5 .01 6.01 and 6.02 um I'd like to stay in 2.01 and Maria Murphy could you maybe come up and talk about 7.02 so that we could um move forward on this if possible L um good afternoon um board members superintendent rikman assistant superintendent members of the public um you have before you the policies in uh agenda item 7.02 policies GCA and gdfa they were brought for first read in at the September board meeting no um questions or concerns at that time I have not received any additional questions or concerns in regards to those policies so we're we're just seeking to approve um Maria just for clarification um for gck are is that um recommended language from either statute or from asba um this was actually requested language from um internal staff uh to make sure that we are being consistent with other state agencies they're no longer using the term telecommuting they're using the term remote work and then for policy I I believe I asked you a question on gdfa um that's being stricken because we have a duplicate policy is that correct that is correct um it was causing confusion and uh in consultation with um director payatt we determined that it would really just make more sense to have one policy any other questions no you asked the questions I was going to ask so I have my answers thank you okay I I would still will entertain a um I move to approve 702 7.2 7.02 I I have a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I I opposed I motion carries moving on to 4.01 information item Finance report Kimberly bitr Director of Business Services good afternoon board president kifil superintendent reichman assistant superintendent Cooper assistant superintendent tchop and members of the board and ASB Community you have been provided our most recent board report that covers the financial data for September 2022 in September 2023 this data was covered in more DET more detail at our most recent finance committee meeting that was held last Thursday October 26 with board president kifo and board member Mike Gordon also intendance were superintendent rikman and assistant superintendent Cooper and former board member PV Johns the total student count report provided in the board report report is for July 1st 2023 asdb has transitioned to a new student information system Synergy from the old system power school there have been delays with getting the students input with staff learning the new system and new registrars to asdb learning the process as of October 1st we had about 491 FTE which includes 8.5 FTE at FBC at that time we employed 713 staff only 154 are full-time with 1.0 FTE there were currently 183 vacancies across the agency the highlight of the September 23 financial report shows a collected revenue of 630,000 was 370,000 lower than September 2022 revenue of 1.0 million the major difference is the decrease in receipt of the institutional voucher because of the implementation of the new student information system and a decrease in the classroom site fund due to a delay in receiving September's distribution the budget fiscal year 2023 obligated expenses of 14.7 million were 7 million lower than budget fiscal year 2022 obligated expenses of 15.4 million the decrease is primarily due to a decrease in the equipment expenditures in budget fiscal year 2022 we purchased the Chromebooks for the students and installed the notification system our ending cash balance is 2.5 million higher than it was at this time last year the main increases are the classroom site fund of 1.6 million and the Cooperative Services fund of 2.1 million offset by a reduction in the federal grants fund of $889,000 if there are no questions of the information presented this concludes my board report any questions from the board this was just a comment to the interpreters to um please not use acronyms um because I'm not in the school system and so I don't know the acronym so um please be respectful of the deaf members of the board and refrain from using acronyms in your interpretation no questions for Kim hearing none we'll move on to 6.03 information and discussion item uh the grievance pursuant to asdb policy um and an Arizona EOC complaint and a notice of claim filed by Dr George Martin against asdb and superintendent rikman um pursuant to ar ar 38- 43103 A3 three the board may vot vote to go into executive session which will not be open to the public for discussion and consultation for legal advice with the board's attorney as it relates to this item so can we make a motion for executive session yes we can make a motion for executive session so so moved I move that we go into executive session uh do I have a second I'll second all those in favor say I I I I I I we will um adjourn to Executive session at 5:14 p.m.

okay I think we'll go ahead and get started this evening I do want to be respectful of your time and I appreciate you coming out this evening to get some additional information about our school referendum that will appear on the ballot next Tuesday November the 7th we are doing some things a little bit different tonight that I want to talk about before we get into the substance of our meeting and that is are recording this meeting and we will be putting the recording of this meeting out on our social media platforms as of tomorrow so that's why I'm using the microphone uh and we do have a microphone available later on in our session this afternoon this evening for others that would like to speak I'd appreciate it if you would use the microphone I'm going to ask uh one of our administrators to take the microphone off the stand and approach you to give view the microphone rather than you standing up and walking over to the microphone stand so that's why we're using the microphones this evening again thank you for coming uh i' would like to delve right into the information that we have for you and as I already indicated to you you need to look at the packet of information that has been placed at your uh table where you are sitting very quickly what I want to do is go through it to make sure that you have all the pages that you need as we present the information this evening the very first page is the 207 referendum what have we been able to do and if you turn and go to the back of that page you have an open letter from the members of our school board of school trustees that you can read at your leisure the next page is the ballot question and this is going to be the question that appears on the ballot next Tuesday so we want to spend a little bit of time talking about the ballot question that you will see and then dive into what does that question mean and why is that question written the way it is then if you turn the page on the back of the question you will find two boxes one that will be in green and one that's in red basically if the referendum is successful on Tuesday the items that are listed in green we will be able to continue to do and expand and build on that due to that renewed referendum if the referendum is not successful then we look down at the items in red and those are things we really don't want to talk about or dwell on on but we'll have to mention some of them during our presentation this evening and then finally the very last page is the revenue spending plan what that basically means is if the referendum is renewed this coming Tuesday how is that referendum money going to be spent by Lake Station schools and we will go over that Revenue plan in our presentation as well so if you would go to the very first page where it says the 2017 referendum what have we been able to do this is quite a list of things that we have been able to accomplish in just a short six years I don't want to read this entire list to you but there are some things that I do want to point out and draw your attention number one on the list two full-time elementary school counselors therapists one at each of our elementary schools starting in the school year 2017 2018 prior to that we had a traveling counselor that went to our elementary schools well these now are permanent counselors at each of those elementaries item number four expand summer school offerings to include gifted and talented enrichment classes because of the referendum in 2017 we saw an enrollment in summer school of 200 students and we have been able to maintain that number of students that have participated in summer school since then item number five a prek program offered at both of the elementary schools starting in 2017 2018 school year and that program continues and that is a wonderful program it's a preschool program that those students that participate in that program are our feeder youngsters that go into our kindergarten program so we house it in our elementary school schools and it has been very beneficial to our community number six is probably the most important and that is that we have been able to continue our bus service where we are able to pick up students in the morning drop them off after school that way that parents that are working in the morning have transportation issues or concerns they rely on our school buses and that is extremely important for not only our community but most communities because of the referendum in 2017 we were able to continue funding transportation number eight restored the sixth grade athletic programs offering football volleyball and cross country number 10 added Chromebooks or laptop computers for all of our students in kindergarten through 12th grade making our school a onetoone technology School so each of our school or each of our students rather had a Chromebook for them to use in their studies here in school as well as taking in home for homework project preparation and doing the things that they needed to do to support their classwork item number 12 addressing safety issues in our school facilities and this was also a part of the question in the ballot in 2017 and it's a part of the question that will appear on the ballot next Tuesday some of the things I want to highlight we were able to build a secure vestule at biley elementary school D providing video surveillance capabilities at the elementary schools to improve school security this is on our agenda to do for the 23 24 school year item e expand video surveillance here at Edison for the same purpose to improve School Safety and Security up here at Edison in the building as well as in our campuses that is scheduled for this current school year going down to G air conditioning in the elementary schools prior to the referendum being approved in 2017 by our community our elementary schools did not have air conditioning many times we had to call a half day of school because of the Heat and the high temperatures and humidity that come to us in the months of August September and later in the spring we no longer have to lose instructional time at the elementary school because we have air conditioning in our buildings this is also a safety issue as you get overheated in the summer in the hot temperatures and the humidity well so do our students our children so by putting air conditioning in those elementary schools it was not only a good learning academic decision so we don't lose instructional time but it was also a safety concern and I know our teachers and our students at the elementary schools have greatly enjoyed and appreciated that air conditioning in their buildings item 13 academic opportunities item a Project Lead the Way instruction in both biomed computers and engine engineering have occurred in kindergarten through fifth grade project lead the way is also referred to as STEM Science technology engineering and math and we are able to provide that to our students in kindergarten through fifth grade many of our neighboring school districts only provide stem instruction to their highly uh gifted and talented or high ability students we do do not separate our students out all of our students in kindergarten through fifth grade participate in the stem program Item B Project Lead the Way instruction and computer science are also held here at the junior high school again stem is offered to students here at Edison sixth grade through 12th grade item C and this is also one that I'm most proud of that we were able to offer due to the referendum in 2017 we were able to restore the Elementary art program prior to 2017 Elementary art had been done away with when that art teacher retired we did not have Elementary art for 12 years but in 2017 because of the referendum we were able to bring on board an art teacher to work with our kindergarten through fifth grade students at both of our elementary schools item F elementary schools continue to do spell Bowl math bowl and science Bowl academic competitions and continue to rate in the top 10 schools in their particular divisions I think that is accomplishment of our students and their hard work and we have been able to continue that experience and opportunity for our elementary students because of the 2017 referendum these are things that I've highlighted there are some other things that are equally as important but I don't want to take the time right now to highlight everything on that page this packet of information you will be able to take home with you so you will be able to look at that a little bit more at your leisure and if you do have questions please give me a call let's talk I'd be happy to explain answer question questions or talk with you at another time as well as later on this evening now what I'd like for you to do is turn to the page and I want you to focus on the 2023 operations referendum public question if you look on that page look on the right hand side where it says public question that is going to be the question that appears on the ballot when you go to vote Tuesday November 7th the part that becomes confusing really is toward the end or the bottom of that question so I want to start in the middle and read that to everyone the property tax increase requested in this referendum was originally approved by the voters in 2017 and if extended will increase the average property tax paid to the school corporation per year on a residence within the school corporation by 46.3 one% on and if extended will increase the average property tax paid to the school corporation per year on a business property within the school corporation by 46.

31% I also want to thank our school board member our Schoolboard secretary Mr Kevin music and his wife for allowing us to use his real property taxes so we can see his assessed valuation how his property taxes are broken down and what then determines what he pays per month as well as annually in a year due to the referendum so without further Ado I'm going to introduce Sean Mill from Baker Tilly and have him uh explain some things to you so thank you thank you Sean thank you Dr KP hi good evening thank you for the invitation uh and opportunity to present to you this evening uh regarding the proposed renewal or rather rather continuation uh of the existing 54 C operating referendum tax rate for the school corporation uh I'm with a a tax and audit accounting firm uh who also has a municipal advisory Wing uh which I operate out of uh we're Baker Tilly Municipal advisers uh we serve purely in an advisory capacity um and uh have a fiduciary responsibility to the school corporation um so we've worked very closely at the request of uh the school administration and board uh with the Lake County Auditor Office to really do all this kind of background C calculation work that's required to go in these new uh rather admittedly confusing questions um so I prepared uh the the background calculations behind the 63 or I'm sorry 46.3% um increase in property taxes paid to the school corporation so I've prepared um some slides this evening that I'll review uh rather quickly um to provide a little bit of context around that percentage um really what is actually occurring why why it's occurring um and what you as voters community members taxpayers can expect should the referendum uh be successful or fail uh so with that uh slide two please uh can we back up one yeah so just to oversimplify and reiterate um since in 2017 the school corporation ran a referendum uh that referendum was before the ballot language question the ballot question language changed um so when you went to the the polls back in 2017 there was actually within the question the 54 Cent tax rate that you were voting on um so when you go to The Ballot Box on Tuesday that will not be there so just to reiterate the existing operating referendum tax rate that was approved in 2017 was for 54 cents per $100 of net assessed valuation that same same tax rate is what's on the ballot on Tuesday 54 cents if successful that 54 Cent rate will replace the 54 Cent tax rate that's currently in existence so there will not be a doll eight total referendum rate it's simply a continuation and if successful uh it would actually supersede the rate that's good for next year uh and be good through 2031 for an eight-year term um so um barring any increases to your home's assessed value what you paid in 2023 would be what you would pay in 2024 for the school corporation's operating referendum if your assessed valuation increased 5% then that tax liability going towards the school corporations referendum would also increase 5% a higher assessed valuation at the same tax rate uh means a higher tax liability uh next slide please um so the school corporation's operating referendum tax rate is one of three tax rates currently on its budget order um these blue bars represent um the tax rates that just about every school corporation in Indiana has there's the operations fund and Debt Service fund uh and then on top we have the 54 operating referendum uh so as you can see in 222 three and what we're projecting for 2024 are very consistent total school corporation tax rates at right around $2.50 uh I will say uh the 2024 that is an absolute worst case scenario based upon recent AV growth and um uh the recent budgeting that the school corporation's done I would actually anticipate a decrease next year in the school corporations rate uh however unfortunately um the vast majority of you are at your circuit breaker tax cap on your property um so let's talk a little bit about that because that definitely plays in a little bit to that 46.3% and actually the entire reason why I'm standing here today talking to you about an operating referendum next slide please um so I think uh Dr KP Li did an excellent job of reading through the question uh the one thing that I will point out because it really does kind of after I mean it took me long than I'd care to admit for it to click uh but when it did it's this phrase that they've snuck in paid to the school corporation um so really it looks at the school corporation's tax rate in isolation um and uh there's an easy way to think about it and then there's the complicated way that the state makes me calculate things so let's talk about both of those next slide okay this would be the complicated way um so you take the average total property tax liability of all the Homestead Properties in Lake Station Community Schools which is more complicated than you might think because there's actually two separate taxing districts and those two separate taxing districts have two entirely different total tax rates which means that members in in one taxing districts are going to experience different results than members in in the other taxing district um but as far as the state's concerned they want to look at everything on an average and they want us to assume that there's no referendum in effect so when we look over here we see the average total property tax liability per year uh for a homestead in Lake Station Community Schools district is $1,080 uh that's based on an average total tax rate of $4.99 per $100 of assessed valuation um from the school corporation side of things they're contributing .95 to this four $4.99 total tax rate which comes out to about 38.87 per.

open ouraring at this time thank you madam president Dr Smith members of board at this time as we open our additional appropriation hearing I would like for Mr Jeff Quin bush from barnon thorberg our legal council to please come to the podium Mr qu bush is going to present information regarding our 2023 to 2026 facilities transformation long-term facilities Improvement and buses and Equipment acquisition project thank you Mr miles Madam president members of the board Dr Smith it's a pleasure to be evening again Jeff so is the next step in the process that was started back in August in connection with these projects you've already held two public hearings on the financing and the overall project components and tonight is the next step in which we are authorizing the appropriation of the bond proceeds for the general obligation bonds to be issued later this year in an amount not to exceed 12 million appropriation will be actually 14 million because that's to include interest earnings and potential other proceeds that come in the of so that's higher am this notice was published earlier this month at least 10 days in advance of this public hearing and so at the culmination of the public hearing presentation that I will give you should then open it up to the public and ask them if comments or questions regarding the project or the financing solely presented at at the CB's public hearing so after this public hearing tonight during the action I open two resolutions that will be considered by the bo the first Bond resolution for the general obligation bonds that's for a total of1 million to be repaid over the next several years the overall financing for all of the projects to up to9 million of roughly 8 to 10 years just depending on Market condition um tomorrow marks the end of the request period for Community to additional Community consideration approval process so tomor office request provide add issue the bond and then we will sell these bonds sometime later November and then CL in the middle of December and the bond be available this first component is going to be used primarily to purchase some buses materials you remember law take also lot r$10 actually so that's what's in Connection in addition some other components of the project some furniture acquisition as well as some general maintenance improvements such as some reping and restoration of Loops uh parking lots those at Point do any other any here have comments about our bond issue that was just presenting if not we'll end our public meeting thank you very much unit States of America Mr Smith there you are thank you mad president Dr SM members of the board we are LC baseball stadium continues we're getting ready to uh LC soccer stadium uh you'll see the uh Foundation ready for the stadium to go in uh the surf for the softball has been completed and they'll be uh waiting to move to the new baseball G thereafter uh ELC pool placed in hbac over uh winter break we had to use a helicopter to lift three units up on top of the roof and they did that about 30 minutes LC pool dig continues you'll see some exterior storm water and interior work continues as well Lawrence North Edition we do have the Footers in place for the new North Edition and the concrete wall up against the field hous is going up after the street Ellen pool we're glad to say that kids are in the water so right now this week and next we will be finishing up the uh elevator that will open the uh bleacher area at the second level the next two weeks we'll see a completed version of the pool there a lot of excitement at El bser Auditorium uh continues on roof is uh nearing completion and concrete going in in the floor walls are up on the ins uh bus turn around for the special needs area uh get close for asphalt curving and sidewalks are auxiliary gym we took over the auxiliary gym over fall break and it has started will be completed at winter those are classrooms in PC continue on W Valley new Clinic they are moved in and utilizing that new clinic and some classrooms with special needs they moved into and we more classroom to renov U the main office back half the U main office has been demoed ready for renovation LC site uh we are using our new North site just in time for election this week and uh it couldn't be any better at the end of next week we should have the west side parking compl any questions Mr Gru good evening Madam president Dr Smith members of the board back on June 7th and June 8th each of us were at the fairgrounds as we can participate in the commencement ceremonies but by State Statute we actually have until September 30th uh to graduate our students and we had a couple more students students that always quote unquote make it across the stage before September 30th so this this data for you is as of September 30th and I'm happy to report over the last decade you'll see the grb right there for 2023 is 95% of our students that graduated 7% of them received a general diploma 61% a core 4 diploma 31% an honors diploma that consists of either an academic and or a te Technical Honors diploma and only 3% received their waiver before we move on to the next slide I want to mention two things about 2023 2023 was the first year of graduation Pathways the first official year you've heard about it for several years and we've been able to use it as an alternative means for students but 2023 was actually the first official year where all students graduated on a pathway also 2023 was the first year of our alternative diploma where we had some students some exceptional learning students that were able to graduate and count as part of our grad tion rate as opposed to in the past they would received a certificate of completion and actually been counted as a Dropout so two big things for 2023 the next several slides show you our graduation rate broken down by race of first our black student population graduation rate for 2023 was 96% 9% of those students received a general diploma 66% a core of 40 and 25% honors with 3% waiver up next our Hispanic student population 94% graduation rate 9% General 66% core 40 24% honors 2% waiver our white student population graduation rate of 95% that's 3% General 45% core 40 51% honors and 1% waiver and lastly multi-racial student population a 91% graduation rate 1% being general 57% core 40 43% honors and a 1% W rate so that's a lot of data especially if you're looking at over a decade so we wanted to bring to you some conclusions over the last decade if you look overall our graduation rate is up in all subgroups over the last decade up 8% overall that's up 10% for both Hispanic and black and up 7% for white when looking at the type of diploma overall the percent of diplomas that are core for diplomas is up in all subgroups plus 133% overall the last decade that's plus 10% for our black students plus 18 Hispanic and plus five for white looking at honors diplomas overall the percent of diplomas that are honors diplomas again that's either academic and or Technical Honors is up in all subgroups that's plus 2% overall which is up 10% for our black students plus 2% Hispanic students and plus six for our white students and that's not an error these last few numbers even though they're negative are in are still in green because it's a good thing that we have fewer wavers being given to our students overall the percent of wavers are being is down in all subgroups down 10% overall and that's down 177% for our black students down 18% for our students and down 4% for our white students so a lot to celebrate here in Lawrence Township next steps per your board goal will continue to work to close the achievement Gap and percent of students achieving an academic and or Technical Honors diploma per subgroup we'll also continue to increase the number of graduation pathway opportunities to meet the needs of our students if you think of graduation Pathways as a menu of options for our students we want to make sure they have the different opportunities that they need so for example that will mean increasing capacity within our current Pathways that are offered we don't want to tell a students sorry that class is full so we need to make sure we continue to increase our capacity we'll continue to implement the next level programs of study the different phases have been brought to you by the curriculum instruction division over the last several years and we'll work to create additional graduation Pathways not currently offered here in La lawren Township an example of that will be agriculture this year for example we started agriculture at the middle school level with intro at the high school level with principles of Agriculture so that's the first course in that pathway that we're beginning this year Mr Noor and I uh work together to provide this presentation for you today which is the ultimate achievement measure for our district we're happy to answer any questions you may have first I would just like to saying workings you I think that Lawrence does a great job as far as our access for students and so my first thank you for that but I asked um what tools do our students have access to um to track their own to track their own academic success um one of our and I I say that to say because some parents aren't able to be fully involved in their child's life or there are some students that make their way to Lawrence um through untraditional routes as we discovered on one of our tours it was a young man that was over to lawence from another country so I still like to say um what tools or what do we provide for a child to track their own pathway um for a parent that's not able or placement language barriers um and also to we know time is a form of equity so some parents just they're working two three jobs and they want to track through their success and not able to so what tools does that student have that they can access to their own so obviously we have skyw worker students trct their academic progress we have canvas which is our um learning management system that our our district uses for our students we track different things with different what we call buckets of graduation Pathways bucket one bucket two bucket three um we also have navian which is a counselor software that our counselors use with our students and we have a pretty robust um tracking process that our counselors use with our students to make sure one by one we're not looking at the whole group we're looking at one student at a time that we look through to make sure that they're reaching all their goals as they progress through High School in all four years to make sure they're on track graduate and our students are invol in that process as well parents knew that it's just not strictly talking to counsel or it's one of the tools thank you yes absolutely both for their work during high school as well as a prep for post and just to followup because you do meetings about each individual high school student every year you know those students who are consider that on their working out working this out on their make sure they have access to these yes we have status meetings every year so freshman sophomore Junior and senior every year making sure that we know what concerns there might be for student be it academic be it behavioral be it support be it access whatever whatever the concerns may be and and I would just like to say um with all that information it's all great news all of it is news but to see the to% is fantastic fantastic thank you for everything that's every SCH question first of all Kudos I know this takes everybody from our preschool through our um High School administrators teachers families and most importantly the students doing the work um you all had a fabulous presentation about the Indiana GPS um earlier this spring and one of the things that we were talking about is the employment and enrollment and the graduation and Beyond do you have data on what our most recent graduates are doing what percent are going to high or I'm sorry going to college what percent are enrolling is that something that we could get access to just to see um the amazing contributions that are Lawrence Township students are making on our community and Beyond yes we do have that data and we can submit that to you there is data in the GPS or how going rates just over 60% last update was about we we don't have it for this current class but we would for thank you very fin thank you madam president Dr Smith members of the board in front of you you should have two uh of our most recent monthly Financial reports dated September 30th our general fund and our transportation fund and I'm pleased to present tonight that both funds are in a very very good position as we expected them to be uh our total revenues uh both exceeded expectation at this time of the year as well as our expenditures being under uh projected so I would welcome you to um take a look at both of those reports and happy to answer any questions could could you um enlighten me a little bit you the bottom of the page the bottom of the page um we're we're in negative balance on the transportation fund yeah yeah the trans absolutely so the transportation fund um gets revenues does not get revenues monthly on a monthly basis but rather twice per year so it runs in kind of fits and spurts as far as there's obviously expenses every month um but we don't have that Revenue coming in every month so um this it will continue to run uh in the negative until we make that yearend transfer thank you and then um the new bus um expenses is that's not part of this Transportation expense is it correct that's a separate fund it's a separate fund and that's part of what the geob bonds will be paying for correct that's one of one of the items from the Geo Bond our trans our bus replacement fund okay thank you I love whistling into a questions then wow that that was a quick meeting and that will take us to we have polies we do not however uh we are going to be meeting hopefully tomorrow to be discussing administrative guidelines those are the only updates we have from the policy committee at this time uh the Lawrence Veterans Day celebration November 11th at the Civic Plaza um I have no time for you right now um I will get back with you on that also have a Lawrence Christmas this will be November 25th the tree lighting will begin at 6 to 7 p.m.

if I can have um well first of all Maria yes you hear it right Gary here Amanda here Rick I'm present we got a full house tonight Pledge of Allegiance Amanda can you lead us in the pledge sure I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repu for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for Kylie do we have any public comments uh not pertaining to closed session okay do you have any cards for a public comment nope okay tonight close session number one pupil Personnel expulsion case number two 23 to 24 expulsion case number three 23- 24 number two conference on litigation government code section 54956.9 current litigation 10 cases CBDs 17172 cvds 201111 183 cvds 2022 956 Civ SB 21133 Civ SB 22303 c i sb221 8676 cibb 222 7023 CIB sb230 4865 csb 231 4073 Civ sb23 22171 and government code section 54 9545 and 56.9 anticipated litigation we have one case Public Employee discipline dismissal release reassignment transfer title certificated and classified number four Public Employee appointment resignation retirement reduction title certificated and classified employees number five conference with the labor negotiator agency negotiator Dustin Conrad employee organization Apple Valley Unified teacher Association number six agency negotiated Dustin Conrad and employee organization CSA number seven conference for the labor negotiator TR Nelson is a negotiator employee organization unrepresented conference with real property negotiator government code 54956.9 negotiation parties Matthew schulenberg and Apple Valley Unified School District security matters government code section 54957 consultation with the Apple Valley Unified School District Chief of Police and finally number 10 superintendent evaluation uh what I need now is a motion to go into close session I'll second all in favor I I call to me in order we'll have our student reports first Sycamore Rocks Madison and [Applause] Bradley good good evening my name is Maddie and I'm Bradley we would like to take a moment to tell you all the amazing things that we have going on at SAR rocks this year we are excited and honored to tell you Sigma rock is an art Focus School some of the art programs we include a School Musical musical lesss bands Art Club and our annual art fair students in our drama club are working hard are practicing for this year's production Moana which will be performed in March everyone is so excited to see the story come to life on the stage on Tuesday our school held our annual Halloween event where students and their families had a safe and fun place to trick or treat and play games we had such a great turnout at this event and look forward to our upcoming event such is holiday for night in December in O and may a few weeks ago SAR Rock student council host Spirit Week to increase school spirit and and celebrate Halloween we love seeing everyone get creative with their outfit intervention is alive and well at SX these include guided reading OG phonics intervention groups L and eell support groups being sure that students are getting the help that they need to be successful in their learning a few months ago we had a great science assembly presented by the gillet the students really enjoyed it and are looking forward to more STEM related activities in the future we have had the opportunity to participate and various after school clubs this year to name a few Art Club Esports math club engineering and stem stem club and Basketball Club one last thing we would like we would really like to thank all of our teachers and staff at SAR rocks they truly make our school special thank you for allowing us to speak about how exing s rock is great night good job High Desert premier Isel all [Applause] [Music] right yeah good evening president Bender board member superintendent Nelson and executive cabinet I hope you all had a good fall break October really flew by next thing we know is going to be 2024 thank you board member RSA for visiting our campus we hope you enjoyed seeing all the science experiments that we going on and the Brain art that the students have been working on we love having you visit our campus please come and see us anytime World kindness day is November 13th take 10 seconds to look at your partner and say something nice you you look very nice by the way how's right you you're too Mr Bender you look [Music] nice we get to learn through experience in at the mayor youth uh Leadership Summit we do this every year seven students of hot desert Premiere are going we get to learn about the local government and we also get the chance to be heard and meet the mayor of Apple Valley we had the privilege to host Job Corp when they came and speak to our 12th graders interested oh sorry I just threw a blank sorry oh I forgot where I was oh uh I came to speak with our 12th graders interested in the program for graduates the presentation was very straightforward and let us know our opportunities and advantages of going to job courp the seniors were interested or the seniors that are interested in attending will visit the campus in January we also got a new Al staff member Miss Bryant she's very nice and energetic she's a very sweet woman and she said she was very happy to be there and be a part of our house we are looking forward to having miss or sorry superintendent Nelson and the cabinet visit us on the eth to speak with our students I hope we all have some great ideas for our school and I look forward to seeing both of you guys there I mean just like last year uh one last thing I wanted to say uh I want to give a shout out to our Lunch Ladies Miss Nunes and Miss Hood we don't have a traditional cafeteria but they always do their best to fill our needs they're very sweet and I also wanted to talk about my brother he's a graduate from high deser Premiere uh he's a Marine now and he's going to come and visit probably next week and and I'mma have Mr Smith see him and hopefully he's happy to see you Mr Smith and can't wait to see him and give my big brother a hug I guess thank you all for your time and support uh and I will see you all on the next meeting I hope you have a great fall break or break and Thanksgiving everyone good job Grant Hills High School Hannah good evening board members executive cabinet and attendees my name is Hannah for the junior class president at Granite I spoke to you all the past few months and I'm very excited to speak to you guys again tonight uh so last month theater held their first annual Fall Festival they had a haunted house in the pack which was worked by the theater and advid students a trunk Retreat a costume contest performances from band choir drama dance and many more as well as Booth and games from link crew Key Club interact Club ASB skills USA Track French Club wrestling GSA women's apartment Club yearbook and a lot more it was a huge success and I can't wait to host it for years to come on Halloween ASB held the first pep rally of the year and it was a huge success we had performances from dance our latino band choir and a few others we now start door decorating contest and costume test winners and on and on October 20th we held our Powderpuff game for the Junior versus Senior girls it was a very fun exciting game that I exended into overtime where the seniors took the win with the score of 12 to6 um I'm a little bit mad about that but during our pet R we recognize our students for having the highest 11th grade cast scores in math and English and the highest cast scores for science in the district 115 students met or exceeded the standards in at least one test and 23 students met or exceeded the standards in a two 29 students met or exceeded the standards on all three and then some of our Linker leaders attended a Linker conference at Eisenhower High School last month our leaders learned team building skills how they can improve their connections with other students leadership skills and made friends from all over the area last Friday link crew also held an after school movie night with snacks and Foods so that was cool for the Freshman drama went to see the musical hadous town at the Almon theater in La drama and choir students teamed up to work as scares at the Calico Ghost Town Halloween Haunt this week is our Latino Heritage week we have lunchtime performances from our Latino bands and other fun activities including a spirit week last week was National Red Ribbon Week and our peer helpers were out there every day at lunch with activities and giveaways they held a drunk and intoxicated driving simulation course to B students of the gender of drug usage and drinking while driving after upcoming events this Friday at 7 p.m.

one it'll go down to like the appeal process at the end correct but then we look at the 13 the adre the administrative regulation and it says when you get to that appeal these are the things that you better have ready for the board to see in order to fulfill that our policy on that so it's like what'll happen we're going to have an appeal how are we going to do it you're going to provide these things and that's why it's in in two different areas and this is all in response to 1078 I don't I don't know the number I'll top my head but it does have a lot to do it's entirely uh related to the um instru the yes is it that the number the instructional material one is related to AB 1078 um which is new law that just went to do okay so do you want to move nine and 10 so number 15 that's me all right so that is all of the Litany of the literature lists that were approved and I just wanted to bring It Forward especially for the public because there was a a few different lists on there and um it was brought to my attention that we did not use to have a district librarian and that we were kind of housed under the County librarian but that we now have Grace Gardner and that she has spent tons and tons of time going through all of our old um board approval lists and scanned all of them in and so now they are all accessible digitally and easily searchable and so what we're approving here is all of those lists now that have been approved the ones that have never gone through the full process they now have gone through the formal process any that was not found in any of the archives has been gone has gone through the process even if they've been used for decades got we took them through the process just so that they were on display and publicly yes all of it all right but all of the other ones though she spent just hours and hours and researching and now we have it all nice and neat in one spot and make it nice and clean so thank you please tell her thank you we'll do thank you okay number 24 24 um I I I know that I I contacted the superintendent regarding this so I really would like the community to know what 24 is about um even though she explained it to me but I'm not sure enough people know enough about the um the community engagement initiative peer leading and Learning Network District um participation so usually when we come in to approve these things sometimes the community is not aware of what it this really means and so I wanted the explanation again so that it is publicly um available go ahead Pat the community engagement um initiative is um a group uh Statewide that is convened in order to help schools and school districts but it actually is more school focused in their process of gathering Community input and writing the Community Schools implementation grants and so our thought was that because we are also in that stage of Community School planning working towards an implementation grant that this would act as a catalyst for us to be able to gather um sort of appropriate coaching and information from successful grantees who can tell us the pathway they took but allow us to customize it ourselves there's no cost to us in fact they're um paying um any related cost that have to do with any of the travel or um other things that might incur incur cost for participants um we're limited to 15 participants um so we have a home team and a travel team uh I'm on the junior varsity I don't get to travel there's a group of folks who will be traveling um if this proves to be useful and we've said from the beginning that if this um process is in serving the school district and the schools of Apple Valley this would be a good way for us to be kind of in the front of a successful Grant application ultimately that is our Target and if this serves in that in that way that'd be wonderful so uh listening to you I know that we did have a community school Grant person that we had um we paused on it now that we have this information is that person going to be able to now get back in and participate in this process or is that person still on his holding pattern until this is done I'm just curious um well this process is entirely um populated by um School site staff parents and students and so this is separate from the facilitation that we did last year um we can certainly still work outside of this really kind of limited eight-day process to continue that work um but we don't currently have a the ability to do that or or or rather have a plan to do that in this particular Forum however um this Community School's work will be widespread it could Encompass all schools not all schools are particip IP ANS in this really really pretty small initiative of community engagement and so um so I don't I think I understand the question to be can we still continue with the facilitation of Dr Powell correct I think that depends on what's necessary after they go through this CI process we had not been engaged in the community um schools initiative this group and when we were invited to participate we took that was after that original um request for um proposal and so if we end up sticking with the group and doing this because they have to travel they have to go two times to I want to say Santa Clara San Francisco and Ontario which is an easier travel so that's a large group we including students and some parents and staff members um but because they pay for it as an initiative and they will help us with the writing of the grant we feel like it's a place to start if after they get going on it if they come forward and say this isn't helpful then we will Engage The Board in that as a possibility and we certainly have other schools that may go down the pathway of applying for the implementation grant that we did not originally apply for or intend to as a start just because of um capacity you know to start this up it's a major commitment for with a five-year Grant um for the implementation we only right now have that planning Grant the county did with the um the of support yes um allow for um and uh with application from Apple Valley Unified gave us permission to work with Dr poell in his capacity in serving the schools as was requested by schools for trauma informed instruction and support that way totally separate totally separate and funded by the county yep because I'm kind of curious when we get go all the way out of the county we actually go out all the way out of the our area our region these people are in Northern California our coach is from Anaheim so Anaheim schools have Community Schools and so that's who they've assigned to Apple Valley as our um they were a an earlier round of implementation and have functioning Community Schools so that's who we have been assigned it is a Statewide group however there are 220 participants in this group Statewide all right I just want to be sure that we keep that in mind uh because in the the I I I hate to call people's names this right but for consult consultation for the consultation because he understands the culture of beer um and to get people from um from Anaheim I'm not sure they understand the culture of Valley even the high desert uh so as we begin to write the grant that we begin to um actually Branch out Branch back out to um the likes of Dr pow because he understands that culture to help out with the that process and just I don't know if I'm saying two different things um but I I thought that was this is part of that whole related topic yes and I think and now that we're having that conversation I like to really have the conversation yeah and I think we've got him in at the schools doing the um trauma informed instruction and support that way through their sis Grant um CSI Grant Pat which one Sis Sis something whatever we're differentiated assistants and that gives us access to SOS fund SOS so thank you to many acronym I'm sorry but when we get ready to do the Implement after they go through this beginning initial phase so they've already done several online um discussions as a group once they get moving if it is not helpful to participate in the group we've been assigned to we are not harmed to pull out and say we do not want to participate any longer and then we will come back to the board with a recommendation on moving forward with some facil itation because really it wasn't about the writing Dr pal would not be um writing he would just be facilitating the process so that it was okay fully number 30A uh number 30 um I just wanted to State you know when I saw it initially I thought why do we have this many consultants under one umbrella but the superintendent explained to me that the consultant Agreements are those that are under the the threshold of $5,000 and so that and we had given the permission to Yes um the assistant superintendent um uh head service administrative Services is authorized and under board policy we did that then 31 I pulled it because I really wanted to take the time to thank our schools for meeting the standard for the Williams lawsuit um because um they really did prove that we our students have the textbooks this our students have the materials and there is no corrective action and I wanted to take the time to say thank you so much for um making sure that the textbooks and the materials are in front of the kids and there was no shortage thank you again okay can I have a motion to approve 9 10 15 24 30 and 31 so moved I second it all all in favor I I all right if there's no other business I have a comment real quick Dennis yes go ahead I can if I may um I want to thank Javier and and Shane for showing up oh yes it means a lot when uh as a board member when teachers show up to um advocate for their programs so I know this is the second time I'm seeing you guys here good program you know it's 8:30 at night and you know you got to work in the morning and meets a lot so um 8:30 in the evening I'm start you got to be to work me got to get anyway uh well I appreciate it I want to acknowledge you guys here so thanks all right I'd like to entertain a motion to bominos aome all right all in favor langage you have your

31% I read that portion of the question because that is the most confusing the most misunderstood part of the question the general assembly down in Indianapolis passed a law and in that law they said in public questions you have to include what the average prop property tax increase would be whether one really exists or not because our referendum is asking for the same thing that we asked for in 2017 no increase it's 54 cents for $100 of assessed valuation that's what we're asking for again just to renew it so there is no increase because of the school's reference question to further explain and clarify this I have invited Mr sha Mill from Baker Tilly who has worked with us as we prepared for our referendum and I'm going to invite him up in a few moments to explain a little bit about how did they get to an average of 46.

so if we multiply and again I didn't come up with this calculation this is all prescribed in State Statute you multiply the total liability by this 39% and you arrive at so what that means is that of this $1,080 that the average Homestead is paying every year the school corporation is receiving $420 in 2017 uh you authorized the school corporation to Levy more property taxes for the operating referendum that 54 Cent operating referendum would generate $194 so if we divide the $94 by the 419 that's where we get the 46. 31 because the this $194 is the amount of increased property taxes paid to the school corporation so does that mean anything to any one of you if you're trying to at The Ballot Box figure out what this means for me no it does a great job of showing you what it means for the school and I can illustrate that uh in this next slide a little better so I'll go over here now um so this top box shows the amount of Revenue that the school corporation would receive without the operating referendum so we have the operations Levy of about 1.3 million but unfortunately as I mentioned all of you are at your circuit breaker tax caps which means that over $1.3 million is issued out to all of you uh in the form of credits uh which means that the school corporation doesn't receive any prop property taxes for its operations fund uh which uh is troublesome and that property taxes are the operations fund only source of Revenue uh unfortunately School corporations in Indiana um due to the way the state regulates budgets and accounting and Reporting um they assign very specific revenue streams to very specific expenditures which means that um for instance the school corporation levied $3.2 million to make payments on its debt service if it decided that well we could really use some of that money in our operations fund um that's not allowed you can't just simply move money back and forth uh those taxes were levied specifically for the payment of debt service and that's what the state will require those dollars be spent um so as we see here based upon the state's conservative budgeting um you know both of these are regulated by the state and that the school corporation's not allowed to Levy for anything more than they absolutely need the operations fund can only grow by a certain percentage year-over-year and then The Debt Service tax rate is calculated to fund whatever you need on your debt service payments and nothing more so um the school corporation should without circuit breaker receive four and a half million dollar a year in property taxes well with the $1.57 five million of credits issued to uh all the homesteads and businesses uh within the community the school corporation actually receives less than $3 million a year so there's that $3 million figure and keep an eye on that because that appears down here as well so now let's take a look at the school corporation's Revenue with the referend well we can see the $1.3 million here is gained by the $1.3 million that's brought in from the referendum and if we divide that 1.3 by the 3 million we get 45% I know I said I work with accounts but 45% 46% that's pretty close uh next slide please all right um so I imagine many of you pay your property taxes um I until I started doing this had never actually seen a property tax bill so I wasn't quite sure how to read it um so if you're interested in calculating you know kind of double-checking some of these figures um doing your own calculations or you just want to know how to read a tax bill um these three lines here are your gross assessed value valtion of all of your property divided out based upon which classification that property falls into for purposes of the circuit breaker homesteads in Indiana are kept at 1% property tax liability for homesteads which means that if you have um a $100,000 Homestead the most you can pay in property taxes without a referendum is $1,000 uh two the there's a 2% property tax cap which would be if you owned a home that was non not your primary residence uh or if um there's long-term care facility uh an agricultural land would be subject to the 2% and then 3% is essentially any other property kept at 3% um and so this would be the 1% so this gentleman has a homestead valued at $123,500 these should rather closely align to your market value depending on how well the assessor is doing um and then Farmland is brought in here so no farmland and no 3% property a lot of times I see $2,000 $1,500 in here in the 3% that's generally a pole barn or some kind of shed but then we're brought to our total gr gross assess valuation now it's very important to understand that that gross assessed valuation particularly for for homeowners is not the value upon which you pay taxes you have to take out all your deductions so if you are uh a homeowner and you are not receiving the homestead deduction the supplemental deduction and actually the mor mortgage deduction just went away but they increased uh the standard deduction to make up for that uh so if you're not receiving those deductions please uh go down and stop at uh what's that office well you could stop at the assessor's office or the auditor's office and get your forms um but when we subtract out $75,000 of those deductions this gentleman pays taxes on $48,000 of value so then the total um property tax rate for Lake Station Hobert taxing unit is $531 so if you multiply the 48,000 by the 5.3 and divide by 100 because tax rates are applied per 100 Val dollars of net assessed value you arrive at your gross property tax liability $2,548 74 uh Lake County has what's called local property tax credits it's an additional reduction to your property taxes that you receive because you pay pay income tax uh so that's what this $330 reduction is here and then the circuit breaker further reduces this bill by $720 and as I mentioned um this gentleman's tax bill is capped at at 1% of that value which is $1,235 referendum liability is outside of that circuit breaker tax cap so at $123,000 gross assessed valuation or $48,000 net assessed valuation uh this gentleman's property taxes increase $260 a year uh for a grand total property tax bill of $1,494 uh next slide please um so bringing this back back to what does the operating referendum mean for uh the average taxpayer well without the referendum $135 the referendum increases this liability by $21 a month um which represents a 21% increase and if we look at things as we know there's an existing operating referendum if we look at what portion that operating referendum comprises of the average tax bill it's 17.4 perc or somewhere in that neighborhood depending on which taxing district you're talking about um but regardless 21% 17.4% both well below 46.3% so just important to understand what those percentages mean and what you're actually voting for on The Ballot Box next slide please if you um would prefer not to use a tax calculator if you'd like to get a ballpark idea of what you're paying for uh this operating referendum right now um you could find what you would believe to be the market value of your home or that gross assessed valuation and then we would assume that you would receive those deductions that I talked about for it being your homestead which means that this would be your net assessed valuation or the value upon which you pay taxes and then this would be the monthly impact that you paid in 2023 which is identical to the monthly impact that you would pay in 2024 which is why we have all these zeros over here on the left hand side so uh Mr music's assessed value was just above the average so $108,000 is about the average value which translates to $39,000 net assessed value so on average taxpayers uh for a Homestead Property are paying $17.50 a month uh and that is not projected to increase um barring any fluctuations to assess valuation uh next slide please um the school corporation did request we prepare a tax calculator which is available for your use on their website so I'll just run through very briefly how to access it how to use it um you'll go to the school corporation's website at ls.

is the opening night of wily Wonka um I'm in the play and I just came from rehearsal and it's looking really good so you guys should definitely come see that but there's only two weekends so make sure you come see it next week some of our students will be attending the mayor's youth Leadership Summit and they are also very excited in the world of garnet Hills High School athletics cougar Excellence has been on full display boys and girls cross country finished the season as Desert Sky League Champs and completed in DSL finals to day our girls tennis team won their first playoff match Tuesday and continued their playoff run with the match yesterday and for the first time in our school's history our football team is the desert sky League champions and we and we will be hosting cian High School in the first round of playoffs this Friday at 7 pm at The District Stadium so come out and support we thank you all so much for your support of gr Hills High School and look forward to sharing more next month as always marun and gray lead the way good job Apple Valley High [Applause] Sophia thank you so much good evening members of the board and attendees my name is Sophia Brandt and I'm the Apple High School uni Apple High School Associated student body line president today I'll be sharing with what our students and staff have been up to the last month as well as some of our goals for November and I wanted to preface this by apologizing if my voice is scratchy or anything I've been singing a lot of Christmas songs and I would show you but there's some notes only Mariah Carey can hit so I'll save your ears this past month has marked the start of a new quarter for our sundevils and they have been excelling academically some of our amazing students were recognized with medals and certificates for their ability to read write and speak two languages at the Cala by literacy ceremony academic Shields and Eagles were handed out around campus to students who had gpas above a 3.5 and sophomores and juniors took the PSAT our Sports programs have also been enjoying lots of success cross country girls tennis football and cheer held their senior nights to celebrate the wonderful graduating seniors Samantha most and vua Patel are the mrl all League tennis doubles Champions Malachi Murphy from cross country will be moving on to CIF after his outstanding performance at the mrl finals and varsity football is going to playoffs with their first game against his area tomorrow some of our other athletes are gearing up for their Seasons with basketball and soccer holding tryouts and wrestling conditioning after school our clubs and Pathways have been active in their school and Community throughout October National Honor Society held their induction for the 35 students who have pledged themselves to keeping up their scholarship service leadership and character Key Club helped pass out snacks to bikers on Saturday at the Victor Valley Bike Tour and Candy to attendees of the Town chunk Retreat on the 11th they'll go to Six Flags for the Key Club fall rally with hundreds of clubs from all over Southern California Avid seniors went on a weekl long field trip touring NorCal colleges like UC Merced San Francisco State San Jose State UC Berkeley UC Santa Cruz Cal State Monterey Bay Cal Poly St Louis Obispo and UC Santa Barbara students from Mast camp and Graphics attended the high desert education Summit AT vbc to showcase our programs and EMR practiced caring for patients during the great ShakeOut while the rest of us prepared to stay safe in the event of emergency incredible work sbles ASB has been working hard as ever we put on an amazing show at halftime last week to Spotlight our homecoming royalty and Crown the king and queen we had a super fun Spirit Week With days like sports day camo Day barbecue dad versus soccer mom day my personal favorite class colors and pink out then we danc the night away at the homecoming dance which had an attendance of over 700 students Tuesday was Halloween and we hosted a costume contest at lunch with the winner being the headless horsemen though I saw a lot of hilarious and cool costumes later in November we're planning our fall festival with clubs leading games food vendors and lots of fun to celebrate the chilly weather we're also planning a game show night to replace our talent show putting a sundevil spin on games like Family Feud Jeopardy and so much more there are so many exciting things happening at Apple Valley high school and I want to thank you all for your continued support we couldn't give our students any of these incredible opportunities without you thank you very good our union representative reports CSEA Nicholas Garrett I don't believe he's here this evening auta Karen Sabers I don't believe she's here this evening okay comments from the superintendent I kind of like the buffer by the unions before I have to speak because after they get to follow the students great job all of you and um Ismael commented about student advisory we've already hit both high schools with a small group to um plan with us and we're getting ready to do our large group which will have about 70 between 50 and 75 I think we had 80 at Granite last year um at High Desert Premiere hopefully some of the returners you'll be there and you did make change last year and you gave us some great ideas so we love the process but it takes the students telling us what other topics we need to talk about and not just what is adult driven so appreciate the feedback um our FFA students are in Indianapolis right now at National Conference um we will be getting out an invitation so it's good to say this in the group um ethnic studies we are moving down the pathway the county um schools will be working with us to facilitate the process of what that looks like in our district and so um tomorrow we will be getting out um information about how to participate in that the initial meeting and then we'll share the following meetings um for this school year um next school year is a different topic because we will have to plan out those meetings based on um what we actually need to get the curriculum completed uh first time in school history as mentioned um Granite Hills High School took the title drove up to bar on a Thursday night um and it was probably one of the coldest nights yet and it was so exciting and um Granite showed up big showed up big their cheerleaders have to be down at the end of track they don't even get to be on the side because of where they have the bleachers um I was glad that after um I've been to Barstow High School before for a football game there were no lights on the on the um visitor side it was very dark in the past so they've got lights they've upgraded that but it was great to watch the game and um the celebration at the end pretty cool I think it goes without saying that Daniel rencom on as a um alumni for that school as the athletic director that this is a major um milestone for him and um again for Coach Gonzalez he he when we were talking about the stadium at a a recent meeting with the planning he told the architect um team that he either played or one of his brothers played or has coached since the school has been playing football and so for him to take a league title as the head football coach um really does meet the criteria of what the um touchdown Club talks about all the time online which is um have faith be fearless and I think he lives that every day and so congratulations to them and then the fact that both high schools are in CIF this year is cool um congratulations to Apple Valley high school and Coach Godfrey for um moving on and um let's go beat Hisperia yeah there's a little bit of a difference here because they're local right like let's beat Hisperia Granite needs to win too just Adam right okay thanks Hannah I have the confidence um because of social media I realized that DSL was running today I got to work and I said to zoy um do do you know the DSL was running finals today and she goes no and I said well I'm going out to Horsemen because I have a little bit of time in my calendar and so we went out and we watched the the finals today and I have to tell you um living in the high desert for years all you knew about was Barstow and their ability to run cross country well I'm going to tell you that maroon crossed the finish line today and it wasn't Barstow it was granite and it was the first seven that came in were Granite Hills High School females and I kept thinking where' everybody else go like this really is done right and then the boys ran and what I have to say is I believe his name is Nolan is that correct okay Nolan is a senior at Granite Hills High School and today was the first day I got to watch him run um I think he could have lapped everybody and he comes in and he's not even breathing heavy and and then you wait you wait for the next group to come through well Granite is in great um Poise for next year because they only have two seniors on the boys varsity team the rest are freshman and sophomore so they're strong um and it's exciting they'll be at Mount saac I think week from tomorrow okay so exciting that all of these things are happening and I love the end of the seasons because we we do well every year um we did some walkthroughs at Real Vista all the principes in the district gathered for a meeting and we do this as a rotation through the schools and we do walkthroughs in classrooms teachers know we're coming it's Anonymous there is no um negative feedback this is all about calibrating ourselves on walkthroughs and it was a wonderful day and everybody just kept commenting on how fabulous the work that they have been doing on foundations is showing up in the classroom so we were thrilled to see it because they were one of the early adopters and then um Sophia mentioned seal of biliteracy it's always wonderful to see those kids that are biliterate come across the stage with the others in the high desert that um meet the criteria Apple Valley and Hisperia typically are the major part of the program we had 44 um hispar is almost twice our size and they just had a few more than us but not double so um that the sealed by literacy requirements are changing for next year it appears that more students will be able to qualify um with a better measure that actually um includes things like being able to speak the language fully and write it and not have the um test that students take in the spring be one of the the factors and then um many of you are aware of the finger printing SB 531 that has eliminated our ability to put students out in the workforce um tied to their school CTE programs mdcp um that law has now written in that we can get our TPP kids um and our our students in CTE back out into the field however there are some hurdles that we have to accomplish um I'm on a team with mdcp as one of the superintendant um working on the process by which we will do this um because we have to figure out the fingerprinting who's going to be the custodian of record and currently we're looking at some options that that may expedite this with a target of um spring semester hopefully January getting kids back out there we will match that with our TPP students as well um though they're not housed Under mdcp the Mountain Desert um career Pathways we want it to match so that we meet the same criteria and then um Halloween kids mentioned it um prior to being superintendent Tom started what was called the Halloween Grays and it was all about the food on the property and people could have a theme and dress up here at the ESC we we don't get to do the fun things that schools get to do and so it's the one time of year that they do it and this year um was again Beyond and I don't know how they're going to top it next year but we had um Kelsey momes and Taylor Swift in the superintendent's office um we had the prices right with the wheel that spun um we had Alison Wonderland we had Disney the Disneyland and then we had the circus with a big top and I'm glad that the fire marshall doesn't show up on that day we will not announce in the future either that we are going to do it on Halloween or not because I think if they knew they'd come and shut us down um but we we have a lunchtime where we graze and go to each office to check out who's topped who and while the nurses think they have it often it is the group to be so I appreciate everybody and and the parents that showed up that day were kind of an amazing that the adults were um participating but they were so um and csba is coming you will be traveling before the next board meeting for um the annual education conference and we look forward to hearing from California school boards Association very good board comments rig sure thank you Dennis I always like to comment on H the kids students that uh speak at the podium and um Madison and Bradley this the first time we saw you guys tonight did a really good job I want to comment on Ismail you know this is your third time and um you're you're you're getting so much better you know not that you weren't good beginning but you you you're so uh at ease up there and it was really cool that you mentioned your brother who's serving in the US Marines especially in this time of what's going on in the world so um kudos to you so keep keep up the the students keep up the good work and as always Sophia and Hannah you guys are just like Naturals up there so good job that's all I got to say thank you Dennis all right Amanda all right thank you to all of the students that I'm not sure you can hear me thank you to all of the students for coming out tonight and sharing with all the exciting things going on at your schools it really is the highlight of our meeting um so on Monday night uh a few of us got to head down the hill and attend the fall joint meeting of the California School Board Association um and the topic was all about artificial intelligence and it was just really exciting um to listen to good news about artificial intelligence and how all of the different exciting ways um that educators are going to get to utilize it in the classroom and and really um for you students how many careers they're going to be open to you in the future to be able to use it um and it was just nice to not hear so much Doom and Gloom about it um and all the ways that it's going to really expand um the career opportunities for for you guys so that was really interesting um and then I wanted to say congratulations also to all of the Seal of biliteracy winners um that's just incredible to learn to or even three multiple um languages and also if anyone in our district did not quite make the cut in time for that ceremony they still are able to make it in time for graduation if they're seniors so they can still get that um and have that seal by literacy in time for walking in May um let's see oh earlier today um so after I got out of school today I was able to swing by over to vbc and they had their Dia deos moros uh celebration and so that was really exciting just to kind of see I was hoping maybe we'd like run into Ashley gozman but she was I I was like maybe maybe we'll see her but no there's a lot of people over there though they had their um Community celebration open to the public um great mariachi band going on um so that was nice kind of got that in between coming over here for our our meeting um and then just one exciting thing I wanted to share um this past weekend I was able to finish up my M's in governance program which I started back in August and it was a series of five different sessions where I had to commute down to San Marcos which um would be of Friday afternoon so if you can imagine Friday afternoons to S Marcos I think I possibly spent as much time in traffic that I did maybe in all of the sessions over the weekend but um it was just so worthwhile and I know that um Mrs oara or missar is gonna be done with hers um next month and I know Mrs Nelson's almost done with hers as well um but yeah next month next month are you next month as well yeah I don't know I show up online ours is online we didn't get the iners one see I know my myself and I knew that if I didn't sign up where I physically had to go yeah so it I just I would encourage anyone who hasn't done it it is so worthwhile because it was it was definitely um intense but it was definitely worthwhile so I'm just G to read really quick some of the classes was foundations in effective governance setting Direction student learning and achievement policy and judicial review School Finance Human Resources collective bargaining um and community relations and advocacy so it was basically just you know how to do what we do up here and like looking through a lot of the legal parts and it was just very informative um and then when we were done on Saturday they gave us like a little graduation or a little certificate so um yeah so I just I would encourage the rest um and there was really fantastic was there's this other board and I'm not sure I would go this far but I was impressed with them every time they get a new trustee the whole board goes through the process again together and so there was a couple of like trustees on the board that were like yeah this is my fifth time and I was like but I'll be honest I probably would have to go through the school Finance one like five times to really feel solid on that one um so last but not least I just want to say thank you to all of veterans um that we have in our district and also our community I know veteran stays coming up this month and I just wanted to say thank you so much to all of our veterans and that is it for me Gary just want to also thank you say thank you to the students it's always a pleasure to hear what's what's going on it's it I know I speak for the rest of the board and saying you you guys just amaze us in in what's going on on your campuses and we appreciate you bringing us up to date we can't be at every event but it's really exciting to see the the participation the the Excellence the growth that's going on on your campuses so thank you all of you so much for for being here and bringing us up to date and sharing the great things that are going on in your campuses and as as Rick was saying it's it's always a a blessing to see you you fill into these positions and feel comfortable and and grow and Blossom in these positions because I know the skills that you're learning now are going to carry on and be very important in your in your later college careers and working careers so so thanks again for everything that you do for the students on your campuses and for the information that you bring we really appreciate it and it was it was mentioned I think Hannah you mentioned it about the the fall festivals and I had a chance to visit a number of the the fall festivals that that were going on around the district this this past month and it was everywhere I went it was it was just fantastic to see the amount of uh staff participation the amount of student participation the amount of parent participation they were very very well attended and so I just just want to say a big congratulations to all the parents and the staff and the teachers um and the students who did such a great job in the in the various fall festivals I I really have to take my hat off to Mrs Morales at Phoenix Academy too because she was she volunteered to be the Target in the pie throwing contest and uh and and so she she was definitely the the the lady of the even she I guess it was like some kind of a fundraiser you know to throw pies at her but she was just just a great Sport and uh and getting all kinds of money for her causes so just just thank you for all the hard hard work that went into the fall festivals I know the students and the parents really enjoyed it and I also want to to say thank you to Mr Smith for allowing me to to come onto your campus and and hang out with you for a while it's always a blessing to to to go to High Desert Premiere and see what's going on there I just congratulate the teachers and the staff and the students for all the tremendous things that are going on at High Desert Mr Smith you were sharing with me about the sign significant Improvement in the attendance uh the significant Improvement in the graduation rate so I just want to say congratulations to you and your staff uh for the success of your focus program which uh heightens collaboration you know in your school community so just thank you for your for your leadership and the leadership of your staff uh in in that area so just uh again thank you for all the hard work that our our teachers our staff are doing parents doing every single day it's always always a blessing to get out on the campuses and and and share that and enjoy that with you so thank you that's all um I'm going to start with the students you all that spoke today you are man you are rock stars I almost want to say you get a star you get a star you get a star you get a star you get a star um I was really impressed by your Poise um it is not easy to speak in front of adults and um and to hold your own uh so I'm really I'm really really impressed with um what with what you had to share um I didn't do much this this uh last month but I did enough um I went to a trunk or tree uh at the town center and actually handed out um books to kids uh I was surprised that the kids and their families were interested in books and some of them wanted to take more than one book and the teachers union were gracious enough to say if you want two books and you can read it go ahead you know so I have to say thank you uh to to the teachers in this District because uh you know you extend yourselves outside of school uh you continue to be present on behalf of the students that you service congratulations to Mrs Buchanan I'm jealous um uh because we started the masas in governance but we wanted to do it the other way to do it virtual with the superintendent so they didn't let us Mar they didn't let us because in person yeah because was in town and we were not allowed to visit um so that's how we ended up doing ours um virtual and it is a two-day deal for us she does one day so we're good I'm not I'm not jealous that much to snatch your I know and by the way she took my kids trunk or treating for me too because I was down at Masters in governance so I'm jealous of that part I I played gramar and I've always like to anybody that wants their kids to be to have a grandma in place I'm ready I'll I'll take a place um I went to a craft show at Rancho verie and the parents were magnificent they had STS and I ended up buying two pumpkins uh one was Appo Valic High School color and one was Granite Hills color and and I kept thinking I'm going to bring it but I bought the pumpkin in October and I couldn't use it in November because Thanksgiving um um Veterans Day what do you call it Halloween is over so I didn't know how to do it but definitely I'm going to save it in a bag because I use it next in next October and it will be my it will be right here um uh thank you so much uh to all of the people who um who took the time to come to this event to this board meeting today um it's always a challenge to come to a board meeting and you may or may not be satisfied with what we have to say but we're always willing to listen to you and hopefully begin to tackle what you bring forward to us our job as a TR as trustees is to be of service my middle name is service and the students who got the biliterate um literacy certificate I should have had it when I was growing up I had to learn other languages I sit here and I speak seven languages but sometimes it takes me a while to translate what I'm trying to say because other languages are in play in my head so I need to be able to navigate how it is English is not my first language so I keep trying to make it happen but I thank you all uh for taking the time to come here I appreciate your children and what they're bringing to us thank you so much thank you that's very good I like to commend all the parents and the staff that that come tonight that's good I love the sound of kids I want to really commend uh Hannah and Sophia you've really improved and it's going to serve you well in life and uh don't worry Isel you're doing good too with your smile and your personality you could talk your way out of a prison camp you know now it's good to hear that Granite after all these years is going to the playoffs I know it means a lot to me and Dan rencon is a former student of mine and um this is going to be good should be a good weekend little bit of Victory on yeah it will be both both high schools will do well so with that we'll um get our closed session reports and then we'll let the students leave yeah go ahead go now no no you you dropped something there thank you so much hey we'll seear r good job thanks that is all so funny he he could talk his way out of the prison okay Maria will give us our close session reports in Clos session the Board of Trustees took action in support of the following recommendation from the superintendent conference with labor negotiator on a motion by R Mr Raley and and seconded by Mr Ry the Board of Trustees approved the following the memorandum of understanding with the Apple Valley UniFi Teachers Association dated September 28 2023 regarding emergency closure on a vote of 5 in close session the Board of Trustees took action in support of the following recommendation from the superintendent conference with labor negotiator on a motion by RC seconded by okara the Board of Trustees approved the following approve the memorandum of an agreement with the California School Employees Association CA chapter 828 dated September 20th 2023 regarding article 16 reclassification that's it thank you uh now I need a approval motion to approve the agenda as is so moveed second all in favor I I no recognition at this time discussion information by um Mr slasher on um implication of electronic cigarettes and Education Code 48915 thank you thank you thank you Javier this is not a new topic but there is new implications um based on some legal anal is that our staff has done and with in conjunction with our attorneys electronic cigarettes vaping devices are um ask any school administrator really any parent or student um they're all too common on campuses and it's um you know sort of a constant job working to make sure that these aren't on campus and then when they are um they're you know taking action to remove them what's implication today is 48915 which is um about is really at what point does this cross the threshold and become a drug and so um there it is just real quick so we're all defining the terms and talking about things in the same way um these vaping devices are one they're really hard to detect they're tiny as you might imagine and or they're larger ones they come in all shapes and sizes but they have to have these three elements some kind of battery or power source a heating element and then a tank or pod to put whatever the liquid is into it and of course all kinds of crazy chemicals are put into these what's Germain for us today is yes of course they have nicotine in them some of them but they of course now also in California they have THC quite commonly and they're also adding flavorings right all of these are actually prohibited at school by either Ed code 48900 H 48900 C but of course now we have the implications potentially for 48915 they're also um prohibited because all of our schools because we've received federal funds must be alcohol-free and drug free so they're they're prohibited for adults or students no one can have them there so for nicotine only as I mentioned 48 900h kind of is the governing Ed code that allows us to administer student discipline for you know what um for cigarettes I can remember as a senior in Al Valley High School there was a smoking section this Ed code wasn't in place right outside the gym I really didn't understand that exactly how that was supposed to work by the girl side yeah it's not there anymore that was a long time ago I'm old but of course um School administrators aren't coming across cigarettes quite commonly anymore right that's the most that's a very rare thing it's very often these these Vape devices with nicotine so this Ed code applies but as you remember from our training from um regarding School discipline these Ed codes in the 48 900s require secondary findings other means of Corrections have been applied and have repeatedly failed or due to the nature of the incident um it's such so egregious and dangerous that the student must be removed permanently our response typically of course confiscation parent contact counseling and and cessation activities we use the tobacco use prevention education curriculum there are mitigating factors right frequency is it being sold those kinds of things can up the level of of student discipline and move that along quicker so that we you know can make ultimately we're trying to keep these out of school and and really keep students healthy that's if they're tobacco only however if they're THC related um of course we can use 48900 C the one that governs all drugs but remember that that Ed code points us to a section of division 10 of the health and safety code and causes us to look for definitions there now again it's the 48900 Ed code requires secondary findings we really have to make sure we're following now this one doesn't you know this this is this is important to note the difference between the 48900 where you can suspend or there can be a recommendation for expulsion but we have to have those secondary findings what's different is 48915 A1C here remember must happen at school or on off school grounds at a school activity so this cannot be uh students walking home and on their way home they get caught um you know maybe behind a store or another house U on the path of travel with these devices we'd have to use 48 8900 C but if they're at a school sanctioned event on campus or off then this Ed code could apply so note also that it does again point us to section 11053 of division 10 of the health and safety code and it says interestingly that the First Defense of possession of not more than 1 ounce of marijuana or other than concentrated cannabis now typically students again one ounce of marijuana of the leaf of the plant it's pretty uncommon to have students with that quantity of course if we do then we have this Ed code to use if they have less than an ounce this Ed code doesn't apply the question we have is what does concentrated cannabis really mean we've been looking for a really clear definition because of these vape pens again this this is all new territory over the last five years and we wanted to make sure we really understood this so we have to follow the references right um chapter 2 section of division 10 it really just tells us to start 11053 1154 is where it says that cannabis is on list so it's in there it's identified but it does not tell us what concentrated means it does point us back to chapter one where chapter one says here's the list of definitions and it does have a concentrated cannabis definition where it says that really essentially anything that's not the plan where it's separated resin or concentrate well that's exactly what's in these vape pens I mean that's what's there so that means any wax resin oil concentrate that's THC labeled or our drug our Police Department tests and verifies that it does have THC in it does conform to the 48915 A1C definition of concentrated cannabis here's why we're talking to you about this um in part this Ed code then says the superintendent or principal shall recommend expulsion unless other means of Correction will work now think of the circumstances here if this unfortunately these devices periph are common they're just out there in the world they're at they're they're legal in the state so they're they might be legally at a child's home so um the circumstances could be anything from student bringing them to school and selling them and we you know that's a behavior that we believe leave needs immediate attention and severe discipline but it could be a a kindergarten student who doesn't really know what it is and throws it in a backpack and brings it to school and now we're dealing with that and in that case we may decide other means of Correction are appropriate but in this case based on this said code the principal would have to tell Mrs Nelson why they believe that an expulsion is not required that's a big change from how we've been dealing with these here to for so our steps are these one we wanted to make sure you were aware that this this is kind of raises these items to a kind of a higher level of alert and awareness we want to make sure and do some staff training next steps make sure and do a parent campaign and student awareness because this will be potentially a CH for us we're hoping a chance to really make people aware that this is these are devices that can't be at school that we have to take a hard stance with this and that if they are at home leave them there so that's really the basis of this we wanted to start with making sure that we delineated the definition where we got it that it's been vetted by legal council and that we're going to go forward in this manner so not not the it's a terrible topic to follow up these great student presentations but and yet in the interest of student safety an important one so I'll pause for questions I have question um so I I just actually today I read a story and it actually was about the president uh passing or signing legislation Banning certain types of cigarettes but then on this in the same story there was uh about vaping in the in schools in that the numbers were way down and I was like and the numbers were so low it was like one to two% of students that are using any type of Vape whether it's THC nicotine or you know flavored stuff are we is it an epidemic is this was that story wrong are we seeing a reduction in good question Ving I'd have to leave that to our high school administrators and kind of tap into them based anecdotally on what I'm hearing it's not it's it's still an issue all yes we have nodding heads yeah maybe we lag behind what I hope is a trend that's coming our way right yeah I was shocked to see that it was such a low numbers they said cigarettes is almost you know there's there's no cigarettes anymore it's all it's all vaping but the numbers even for Vape were down so hopefully it's well we hope so and you know maybe this campaign can continue to push that awareness because not only of course do we see it but we see students who just can't go without it right they just really struggle to be away from that just because of the addiction yeah yeah great that's all I have J well the only question I have is um we do know that vaping is highly um addictive yeah and um and I'm just wondering if we do have a treatment program where we can send uh students who are getting so addicted to it yet I understand that there's a study out there that says it's not it's not a big a big issue um but because I also work in a school system it is a big issue really big you know so um when the students uh show up in your classroom and you turn your back and then NE the next second when you turn around you have this smoke screen around you know somebody is vaping yeah uh so um this is important enough for us to pay attention uh before we be before we start losing our kids yeah I agree and that's something the high school administrators have worked to do from the point of view of of bringing in um even if need be our therapists right to say okay this is this is not only do we need to administer appropriate discipline but when you do come back what are we going to do to make this different for you and so that might mean counseling um it might mean referral to an outside agency but if we need if if need be have we've been trying to use in-house solutions to that as well I'm gonna apologize up front Dennis that um I I'm chairs get used during professional development and we try to tell people not to use them um because they get changed and Mr vender likes his not to rock and so I sent Kylie down on the floor just now to fix it for him and she dropped him to the ground like that's what happened she can't stop laughing I didn't want the audience or people on line watching or I I got Amanda looking at me like everybody okay no but this is how the superintendent operates with her executive assistant she puts her on the ground to fix something and doesn't take responsibility for it so I apologize Kylie that I made you do that Dennis I'm sorry that we just dropped your chair and I'm sorry to the audience that we had to have that moment but just um bear with us yeah that was so i' like I'd like to point out on Netflix they have a a special documentary it's entitled vape and how it was developed at Stamford and how they made Millions it's only three episodes but it's an eye opener how damaging that thing is especially the teen girls that get addicted to the flavors and it's like 10 times as strong as a cigarette it's crazy but I mean it really opens your eyes to watch it simple thank you simple Vape is the title of it okay thank you I apologize no that's all right that a good job Pat Kylie do we have any public comments we have two okay Javier [Music] should I'm sorry I hope to be as tall uh ladies and gentlemen of the board and esteemed cabinet I stand before you again with a sense of urgency and a call to action as we anticipate the arrival of prop 28 funds at our last meeting I laid the foundations for a transformative Vision one where the Arts play a critical role in cognitive development and academic Excellence it is essential that we revisit this profound impact of music education underscored by double blind studies which I shared with you last time which shows uh that music enhances the cognitive performance more significantly than any other activity um our district has been spending significantly on music education but with no clear coordination or articulation between the elementary middle and high school uh the need for a visual arts performing the vapa coordinator Visual and Performing Arts coordinator has become even more apparent as I meet with my vapa colleagues currently I'm the longest serving director of instrumental music at the high school uh and the head of our Premier Performing Arts Academy the great Academy I am keenly aware of the potential that lies within our grasp yet as we stand at the cusp of this opportunity I feel a growing concern that without immediate planning and the guidance of a dedicated vapa coordinator we may not fully capitalize on the resources that will soon be available to us the conversation around a vapa coord coordinator should not be perceived as another item on our agenda but as a strategic necessity this role will be pivotal in creating a cohesive arts program that not only support our students artistic P Pursuits but also Advance their academic achievement and life skills this isn't about adding structure for structure sake but about unlocking the full potential of our students abilities therefore I urge the district to initiate proactive conversations and planning sessions our Readiness to utilize the prop 28 funds efficiently will set the stage for the Caliber Caliber of Arts education we aspire to provide our commitment to this cause will demonstrate will be demonstrated to our community and others looking to us as a model that we can prioritize educational excellence and Innovation uh therefore our I'm sorry our district has the potential to be a beacon of Arts education where students Thrive not only in their educational Endeavors but also in their academic and personal growth a vapa coordinator can ensure that we achieve this Vision with the attention and the skill it deserves uh let us not delay in this endeavor the time to act is now we must come together to prepare plan and position ourselves to be ready for the moment these funds are released next month I'm being told uh I here to prepare I'm here to prepare and assist and I'm eager to collaborate in any way that I can and to ensure that our district stands ready to embark on this transformative journey I look forward to having your support and working with uh all the stakeholders thank you so much thank you next Shane what's your motto golly Churchill no say what in Churchill here and I have a Winston Churchill connection there Blood Sweat and Tears yes Blood Sweat H and tears which uh I will have none of today um that being said I just I wanted to go ahead and start by first of all um just thanking everyone here um in my 24 years of uh being a music teacher in this District I've felt so grateful for the support that our community um our administrators our district our board members have always given and I felt so blessed to be able to go ahead teach in Apple Valley Unified that being said um I want to speak to what Javier was mentioning um the passage of prop 28 gives us a unique opportunity to go ahead and look at ways we can go ahead and improve even more upon what our Arts education is going to be providing our students um as SAR was saying you know service to these students is primary what I wanted to go ahead and do is basically supplement Javier's speech um and make it nice and quick so we can get everybody else out of here and that that is just to go ahead and also speak to the need for a Visual and Performing Arts um coordinator many districts um many of which are smaller and larger than ours um have found that that is something that benefits um I actually have uh will be giving you guys I guess digly tomorrow morning a list of um essentially the what is required of of EPA coordinator U we have wonderful um directors within our um our District um leadership roles um I know we have one that is kind of overseeing our music programs in general but the amount that um what a vaa coordinator can bring um is so much more than I think any one person who's already has a ton on her plate to go and try to also add on um if we were to go ahead and look at the opportunity of having a prob 28 um funded position um there are so many things um I I can just throw out there really fast advoc advocacy promotion Cur development um equit equ equity and access Community or um engagement um getting um articulation between the the elementary middle school and high school um things that's something that I've always loved seeing in other districts is the ability to go ahead and da a districtwide um articulation where the younger kids get a chance to go and work um all the way up through their programs and we have some wonderful um elementary and middle school music programs that exist because of the administrators or individual teachers who have um that that experience and knowledge but to be able to have somebody who can coordinate that and um and see the things that you guys will get a chance to read tomorrow morning um to say oh wow our district really could go ahead and um take what we have already to the next level I encourage you guys to go ahead and uh consider the possibility of looking into maybe seeing if we can use some of that prop 28 money to find a vision Performing Arts uh coordinator thank you all so much thank you [Applause] discussion session we need to approve the certificated and classified Personnel actions as listed I have a motion second all in favor I I approved the recommendation for requested leave as noted I move second I'll second all in favor I I approve the proposal for Daybreak Health Elementary family fanthropy do I have a motion so move second we need a discussion on okay let's let's go for it yeah or I can wait till the items seconded and open for discussion it has been okay you want to set it aside just want to make sure um answer any questions should there be any regarding this item it's a it's a large U contract to add the ability to provide um Family telea Health in areas where and grade levels and really ages where we're currently not able to do that but it's an area of great need and we've had such good experience working with Daybreak health so far um that we wanted to just make sure and bring this to you and just give you an opportunity to ask questions should you have one how do you how do you determine who goes who gets the service at the moment um right well of course right now what we're doing is we're making a referral through care solos so direct directly to dmcc and or trying to assist a family service through their healthare provider these would be families who tell us we have no other way but we need help currently we cannot we can't really reach them or get services to them unless dmcc the the local Desert Mountain children center can serve them if for some reason they cannot or if that service is going to take several weeks to set up this might act as a bridge until such Services could be rendered okay I I don't have a problem with it because I do know that uh dmcc is is overloaded yeah and sometimes when you ask for those Services it may take months to even get opportunity to be in front of somebody so if the district is moving forward to be able to service the kids that we have and there's a need I say we move forward with it I just wanted you to explain it so that the public will know what it's all about thank you for that opportunity okay and do I have a second I'll second I'll second all in favor approve the recommendation of the administrative hearing chairperson second it's exposion number two right number two 20324 I move second I I'll second the motion all in favor I I okay expulsion case number three 2023 through 24 motion move second I I'll second all in favor I all right the consent agenda it's um 1 through 33 to expedite everything we'll do it all at once so can I have a motion to approve one through 33 I'd like to PLL number 15 please number what 15 did she say 15 15 15 yeah one five that's it I'm going to pull number that's your number I'm going to pull numbers 910 uh 24 30 and 31 so nine starts so nine and 10 um the reason I'm pulling nine and 10 is I we have to we have to approve it the let me just clarify you are making a motion to um approve one through 8 11 through 14 yes 16 through 23 25 5 through 29 32 and 33 correct okay so if there can be a motion to approve those then we can go back and I move have a second I'll second all in favor I okay what's the deal with nine nine and 10 uh they travel together so I have a question um they have the same um board policy one is Administrative RS and one is a board policy and they're all dealing with um they're all dealing with um uh uniform complaint however as I'm reading it the language is not the same for both I know that one is AR and one is um um board policy so I'm kind of curious about why the language is a little different for both Miss opara are you the one you had called me about today was um 131 12.1 board policy and AR you pulled board policy 131 12.2 and 131 12.3 okay so I'm I think I can answer all all of the above if that if that helps that works yeah yeah I understand the question I believe in reference back to the variance in language between the 1321 board policy and the 13121 uh administrative regulation just to be clear that down there on item number nine and 10 those are 131 12.2 and3 both of which are board policies here for a first read um 131 12.2 is exclusively focused on complaints concerning curriculum so with we ever have a curriculum complaint come in uh that that is the board policy that governs that process and then 131 12.3 is pretty much our our uniform complaint procedure uh policy which are our what I would call our higher level complaint those that have to do with discrimination harassment things like that for protected class but our 131 12.1 those are our general I don't want to say run-of-the-mill and make it sound like I'm downplaying it but our our general Personnel complaints things that people have concerns about that may not meet the threshold and if you look at the structure of the board policy versus the administrative regulation you'll notice the board policy in typical fashion tells us you know what we need to do the administrative regulation is kind of how we do that these have to be read in unison because when we read board policy 13 board policy for the point.

31% I also want to thank our school board member our Schoolboard secretary Mr Kevin music and his wife for allowing us to use his real property taxes so we can see his assessed valuation how his property taxes are broken down and what then determines what he pays per month as well as annually in a year due to the referendum so without further Ado I'm going to introduce Sean Mill from Baker Tilly and have him uh explain some things to you so thank you thank you Sean thank you Dr KP hi good evening thank you for the invitation uh and opportunity to present to you this evening uh regarding the proposed renewal or rather rather continuation uh of the existing 54 C operating referendum tax rate for the school corporation uh I'm with a a tax and audit accounting firm uh who also has a municipal advisory Wing uh which I operate out of uh we're Baker Tilly Municipal advisers uh we serve purely in an advisory capacity um and uh have a fiduciary responsibility to the school corporation um so we've worked very closely at the request of uh the school administration and board uh with the Lake County Auditor Office to really do all this kind of background C calculation work that's required to go in these new uh rather admittedly confusing questions um so I prepared uh the the background calculations behind the 63 or I'm sorry 46.3% um increase in property taxes paid to the school corporation so I've prepared um some slides this evening that I'll review uh rather quickly um to provide a little bit of context around that percentage um really what is actually occurring why why it's occurring um and what you as voters community members taxpayers can expect should the referendum uh be successful or fail uh so with that uh slide two please uh can we back up one yeah so just to oversimplify and reiterate um since in 2017 the school corporation ran a referendum uh that referendum was before the ballot language question the ballot question language changed um so when you went to the the polls back in 2017 there was actually within the question the 54 Cent tax rate that you were voting on um so when you go to The Ballot Box on Tuesday that will not be there so just to reiterate the existing operating referendum tax rate that was approved in 2017 was for 54 cents per $100 of net assessed valuation that same same tax rate is what's on the ballot on Tuesday 54 cents if successful that 54 Cent rate will replace the 54 Cent tax rate that's currently in existence so there will not be a doll eight total referendum rate it's simply a continuation and if successful uh it would actually supersede the rate that's good for next year uh and be good through 2031 for an eight-year term um so um barring any increases to your home's assessed value what you paid in 2023 would be what you would pay in 2024 for the school corporation's operating referendum if your assessed valuation increased 5% then that tax liability going towards the school corporations referendum would also increase 5% a higher assessed valuation at the same tax rate uh means a higher tax liability uh next slide please um so the school corporation's operating referendum tax rate is one of three tax rates currently on its budget order um these blue bars represent um the tax rates that just about every school corporation in Indiana has there's the operations fund and Debt Service fund uh and then on top we have the 54 operating referendum uh so as you can see in 222 three and what we're projecting for 2024 are very consistent total school corporation tax rates at right around $2.50 uh I will say uh the 2024 that is an absolute worst case scenario based upon recent AV growth and um uh the recent budgeting that the school corporation's done I would actually anticipate a decrease next year in the school corporations rate uh however unfortunately um the vast majority of you are at your circuit breaker tax cap on your property um so let's talk a little bit about that because that definitely plays in a little bit to that 46.3% and actually the entire reason why I'm standing here today talking to you about an operating referendum next slide please um so I think uh Dr KP Li did an excellent job of reading through the question uh the one thing that I will point out because it really does kind of after I mean it took me long than I'd care to admit for it to click uh but when it did it's this phrase that they've snuck in paid to the school corporation um so really it looks at the school corporation's tax rate in isolation um and uh there's an easy way to think about it and then there's the complicated way that the state makes me calculate things so let's talk about both of those next slide okay this would be the complicated way um so you take the average total property tax liability of all the Homestead Properties in Lake Station Community Schools which is more complicated than you might think because there's actually two separate taxing districts and those two separate taxing districts have two entirely different total tax rates which means that members in in one taxing districts are going to experience different results than members in in the other taxing district um but as far as the state's concerned they want to look at everything on an average and they want us to assume that there's no referendum in effect so when we look over here we see the average total property tax liability per year uh for a homestead in Lake Station Community Schools district is $1,080 uh that's based on an average total tax rate of $4.99 per $100 of assessed valuation um from the school corporation side of things they're contributing .95 to this four $4.99 total tax rate which comes out to about 38.87 per.

k12.in.us and up at the top is a referendum button on the ribbon go ahead and click that and then this menu will appear and you can select the C tax calculator button and this will appear next slide please uh so then when you you do arrive at the tax calculator the first thing you'll want to do is select your taxing district if you're not sure which taxing district you're in you can find your property tax bill um by clicking this link there that'll take you to um the thirdparty software that the Lake County treasurer's office uses to make their property tax information public um so not only could you figure out what taxing district you're in you could also double check our numbers um next you want to enter those gross assessed valuations from the property tax bill as they showed in order so 1% property 2% tax cap and 3% tax cap and then you can come down here and see how much here's that 17.4% again of the operating referendums represents of your total um and then finally on the bottom you can see both the monthly and the estimated annual investment that um we would anticipate you'd be making uh as a result of Lake Station Community Schools Opera in referendum I think that's my last slide yeah um so I'm happy to answer any questions I feel like I'm starting to ramble which is dangerous yes sir no iage [Music] ours absolutely okay they want to repeat that I just want to point it out that the assessed value and the fair market value is there's a large gap there but you think your home fair market value is is a lot higher than the assess value I would encourage everybody to go to our website and click on the assessor link all you have to do is type in your name it'll pull up your property you click on it it tells you exactly what your assess value is so you don't have to guess because the assess Val is G be a lot less than what you think your fair micr value is thank you that is true um unfortunately I just bought a house so they're rather close but of course all right well if uh anything comes to mind following the meeting please feel free to reach out to Dr KP Le or other members of the administration uh they know how to get in contact with you thank you thank you Sean I appreciate Sean coming this evening and making this presentation as to how your taxes as well as the average property tax increase so it says in our referendum question how that is calculated what I'd like for you to remember from Sean's presentation is two things the first thing I'd like for you to remember is the where it says in the question the average property tax increase is 46.3 one% remember when you're figuring averages there'll be some lower than 46 6.31% and there'll be some that are higher so the average is kind of the Middle Point the 46.3 one% is the increase of the property taxes that you pay that will now go toward the schools it's not an increase in property taxes of all the property taxes you already pay 46.

so if we multiply and again I didn't come up with this calculation this is all prescribed in State Statute you multiply the total liability by this 39% and you arrive at so what that means is that of this $1,080 that the average Homestead is paying every year the school corporation is receiving $420 in 2017 uh you authorized the school corporation to Levy more property taxes for the operating referendum that 54 Cent operating referendum would generate $194 so if we divide the $94 by the 419 that's where we get the 46. 31 because the this $194 is the amount of increased property taxes paid to the school corporation so does that mean anything to any one of you if you're trying to at The Ballot Box figure out what this means for me no it does a great job of showing you what it means for the school and I can illustrate that uh in this next slide a little better so I'll go over here now um so this top box shows the amount of Revenue that the school corporation would receive without the operating referendum so we have the operations Levy of about 1.3 million but unfortunately as I mentioned all of you are at your circuit breaker tax caps which means that over $1.3 million is issued out to all of you uh in the form of credits uh which means that the school corporation doesn't receive any prop property taxes for its operations fund uh which uh is troublesome and that property taxes are the operations fund only source of Revenue uh unfortunately School corporations in Indiana um due to the way the state regulates budgets and accounting and Reporting um they assign very specific revenue streams to very specific expenditures which means that um for instance the school corporation levied $3.2 million to make payments on its debt service if it decided that well we could really use some of that money in our operations fund um that's not allowed you can't just simply move money back and forth uh those taxes were levied specifically for the payment of debt service and that's what the state will require those dollars be spent um so as we see here based upon the state's conservative budgeting um you know both of these are regulated by the state and that the school corporation's not allowed to Levy for anything more than they absolutely need the operations fund can only grow by a certain percentage year-over-year and then The Debt Service tax rate is calculated to fund whatever you need on your debt service payments and nothing more so um the school corporation should without circuit breaker receive four and a half million dollar a year in property taxes well with the $1.57 five million of credits issued to uh all the homesteads and businesses uh within the community the school corporation actually receives less than $3 million a year so there's that $3 million figure and keep an eye on that because that appears down here as well so now let's take a look at the school corporation's Revenue with the referend well we can see the $1.3 million here is gained by the $1.3 million that's brought in from the referendum and if we divide that 1.3 by the 3 million we get 45% I know I said I work with accounts but 45% 46% that's pretty close uh next slide please all right um so I imagine many of you pay your property taxes um I until I started doing this had never actually seen a property tax bill so I wasn't quite sure how to read it um so if you're interested in calculating you know kind of double-checking some of these figures um doing your own calculations or you just want to know how to read a tax bill um these three lines here are your gross assessed value valtion of all of your property divided out based upon which classification that property falls into for purposes of the circuit breaker homesteads in Indiana are kept at 1% property tax liability for homesteads which means that if you have um a $100,000 Homestead the most you can pay in property taxes without a referendum is $1,000 uh two the there's a 2% property tax cap which would be if you owned a home that was non not your primary residence uh or if um there's long-term care facility uh an agricultural land would be subject to the 2% and then 3% is essentially any other property kept at 3% um and so this would be the 1% so this gentleman has a homestead valued at $123,500 these should rather closely align to your market value depending on how well the assessor is doing um and then Farmland is brought in here so no farmland and no 3% property a lot of times I see $2,000 $1,500 in here in the 3% that's generally a pole barn or some kind of shed but then we're brought to our total gr gross assess valuation now it's very important to understand that that gross assessed valuation particularly for for homeowners is not the value upon which you pay taxes you have to take out all your deductions so if you are uh a homeowner and you are not receiving the homestead deduction the supplemental deduction and actually the mor mortgage deduction just went away but they increased uh the standard deduction to make up for that uh so if you're not receiving those deductions please uh go down and stop at uh what's that office well you could stop at the assessor's office or the auditor's office and get your forms um but when we subtract out $75,000 of those deductions this gentleman pays taxes on $48,000 of value so then the total um property tax rate for Lake Station Hobert taxing unit is $531 so if you multiply the 48,000 by the 5.3 and divide by 100 because tax rates are applied per 100 Val dollars of net assessed value you arrive at your gross property tax liability $2,548 74 uh Lake County has what's called local property tax credits it's an additional reduction to your property taxes that you receive because you pay pay income tax uh so that's what this $330 reduction is here and then the circuit breaker further reduces this bill by $720 and as I mentioned um this gentleman's tax bill is capped at at 1% of that value which is $1,235 referendum liability is outside of that circuit breaker tax cap so at $123,000 gross assessed valuation or $48,000 net assessed valuation uh this gentleman's property taxes increase $260 a year uh for a grand total property tax bill of $1,494 uh next slide please um so bringing this back back to what does the operating referendum mean for uh the average taxpayer well without the referendum $135 the referendum increases this liability by $21 a month um which represents a 21% increase and if we look at things as we know there's an existing operating referendum if we look at what portion that operating referendum comprises of the average tax bill it's 17.4 perc or somewhere in that neighborhood depending on which taxing district you're talking about um but regardless 21% 17.4% both well below 46.3% so just important to understand what those percentages mean and what you're actually voting for on The Ballot Box next slide please if you um would prefer not to use a tax calculator if you'd like to get a ballpark idea of what you're paying for uh this operating referendum right now um you could find what you would believe to be the market value of your home or that gross assessed valuation and then we would assume that you would receive those deductions that I talked about for it being your homestead which means that this would be your net assessed valuation or the value upon which you pay taxes and then this would be the monthly impact that you paid in 2023 which is identical to the monthly impact that you would pay in 2024 which is why we have all these zeros over here on the left hand side so uh Mr music's assessed value was just above the average so $108,000 is about the average value which translates to $39,000 net assessed value so on average taxpayers uh for a Homestead Property are paying $17.50 a month uh and that is not projected to increase um barring any fluctuations to assess valuation uh next slide please um the school corporation did request we prepare a tax calculator which is available for your use on their website so I'll just run through very briefly how to access it how to use it um you'll go to the school corporation's website at ls.

31% is paid to the schools it's not an increase the second thing I'd like for you to remember is on our website go to the tax calculator people like to see dollars and cents they want to know what is it going to cost me and my family and my household go to the lake station website click on the referendum button click on the tax calculator be sure to put in your assessed valuation of your home get enter or return and it will show you what you pay monthly and what you pay for the year what I'm asking our community to do is give up one pizza a month and what you would pay for one pizza because what I'm asking you you to invest in our schools because that's on average what it's going to come out to a cost of a pizza I think our students are worth that I hope you agree getting back to your packet I want to talk about some things that first I'm excited about if the referendum passes on Tuesday looking in your packet at the items that are highlighted in green those are the things that we will be able to continue to do and build upon with the renewed referendum that would be approved on November 7th again not reading all of them but some important things transportation to and from school and to the boys and girls Girls Club after school and our late bus will be able to continue athletes will not have to pay to use the bus for away games field trip costs for the transportation will continue to be paid by the school not individual students Edison College and Career Readiness coordinator we will be able to keep that person Elementary counselors will stay edicon counselors will stay high ability instruction that we do in our elementary schools that teacher will be able to stay and continue to offer that high ability or gifted and talented program for our students reading coaches they will be able to stay in the elementary schools music art physical education stem will be able to remain most importantly we'll be able to keep all of our teachers all of our staff intact we'll be able to keep all of our prayer professionals and in addition hire additional instructional aids to help our students we'll be able to keep our elementary library clerks our elementary nurses AIDS currently we have a nurse aid in the elementary schools prior to 2017's referendum we did not have a nurse or any person of training in our elementary schools the person we had traveled if the referendum is not successful on Tuesday then we look at the items that are in red Number One Transportation to and from school to the Boys and Girls Club after school and the late bus will be eliminated students and parents will be charged for bus driver and fuel cost for field trips Elementary counselors and Edison counselors will be laid off Elementary High ability teacher laid off reading coaches at the elementaries laid off Edison College and Career writing to help our seniors get prepared to go to college laid off Elementary specials such as art music phys physical education stem those programs will be reduced approximately 20 teachers will be laid off athletes pay the transportation fees for the buses to take them to away games eliminate Library clerks at the elementary schools eliminate a nurses Aid at the elementary schools eliminate the nurse aid at Edison I think you get the idea it will be devastating to our school district absolutely devastating it will be paralyzing to our school district the last thing I want to draw your attention to and then we will be happy to take questions on May the 8th 2023 our school board approved a resolution to have a referendum placed on the ballot next Tuesday in that resolution they also had to approve a revenue spending plan that Revenue spending plan is the last page of your packet please look at it with me we are asking for an operations referendum should we be successful on Tuesday how will that referendum money be spent look at the plan number one $466,000 will go directly for transportation expenses 31 will be to maintain and expand academic programs 332,000 will be used to recruit and retain our highly qualified teachers and staff we in Indiana are experiencing a teacher shortage we must be able to have money to keep our highly qualified teachers and attract highly qualified teachers to our school district because our students come second to none our students deserve the very best teachers and staff that we could afford 133,134 Security 66586 will be for other educational needs which will be used to expand our current academic programs that totals 1, 331,750townhouse they are misinformed the school board approved this Revenue spending plan May the 8th 2023 and this is how the referendum money is allocated and how it is used the last comment I would like to make is I have heard that some people are under the impression that if the referendum here in Lake Station schools passes on Tuesday it will eliminate the tax caps that Sean talked about the 1% cap on your home 2% cap on rental property businesses 3% cap on Farmland those tax Caps or circuit breakers is embedded in the Indiana State con institution no election for a referendum anywhere in the state of Indiana can overturn those tax caps because they are embedded in the state constitution so I wanted to bring that to everyone's attention I've talked a lot I appreciate Sean coming and giving us valuable information remember 46 31% is the average of money paid to the school district of your already paid property taxes and utilize the tax calculator that we have at our website I want to thank you for coming I do very sincerely appreciate it I hope I was able to give good information to help you make a informed decision on the referendum that Lake Station schools is asking for the operating referendum and I encourage everyone please go out and vote on Tuesday November the 7th and with that if there are any questions or comments or suggestions um I would very much be interested in hearing those at this time Margie wait wait wait because we're recording I need a microphone thank you I just want to make a comment because I'm the um ACC student bus driver I pick them up here at the school at 11 every day and take them to Hammond sit out there for two and a half hours and eat and Bre and work crosswords then I pick them up and bring him back here by 3 o'clock to catch their buses to take them home I have 22 students on the buses this year these kids have the they're the best and the programs there are excellent if we don't have transportation for these kids I don't know how many parents could afford to be taking them every day into Hammond and back as well as coming to the school it would be so it would make me so sad because they deserve this opportunity and that's all I wanted to say thank you Margie uh just a general comment um follow up Dr cripp remind me so there are the 1% 2% 3% circuit breakers that everyone in this room would be eligible for um as mentioned just the if the operating referendum is successful just the operating referendum tax rate would be exempt from those one one two and 3% caps there is an additional cap um which is really the it's called a true circuit breaker because even the referendum isn't exempt from it and that is if you are 65 or older there is a 65 or older circuit breaker that is based upon the amount that your tax bill increases year over year over year and um it takes into account things like the assessed valuation of your home and your income so those are things that I can't model because I don't know your specific tax situation but just know if you are 65 or older uh the information the the impacts uh discussed tonight may be higher uh than what you would experience thank you Sean at your place I have also given you a small type index card it is written in English on one side in Spanish on the other this is basically what I call a cheat sheet that you can take with you that basically outlines what we are looking forward to continue doing should the referendum be successful on Tuesday there are some extra ones on that small back table take extra ones if you would like also you will find a sticker proud Eagle Lake Station Community Schools if you peel off the back it reveals the sticky part of it that you can put on your shirt your jersey your hoodie whatever you like uh I invite you to take that with you there are also some extra ones on the back table take as many as you would like uh show your Eagles pride and show your pride at Lake Station Community School students who really work very hard each and every day and I'm really proud of our students and I'm proud of our staff and our teachers that uh represent our school districts and our strengths every day for our students Kevin not him this time um I was just wondering if be willing to guarantee that if the referendum passes school bus service will continue I can guarantee that hi there I am a teacher and a Lake Station resident I do want to say that I think it's very important for our kids to have bus transportation because we are one of many schools that do not have to pay for their bus transportation so that is a big issue for me on this refer referendum because I really think that um our parents are not even thinking about that they would have to start pay for bus services thank you Mr music hello Dr cripper can you tell us how this is not just a Lake Station issue that how most schools in Indiana are passing a referendum how many in Lake County and our in our neighboring schools have passed a referendum it's not just Lake Station as most schools are are trying to pass a referendum you give us a list possibly who's done it who's trying for one this election cycle and who has in the past in Northwest Indiana uh thank you Greg for that question uh yes School District seeking referendums is not unique to Lake Station schools school districts here in Northwest Indiana that have successfully won a referendum those communities such as Val perzo Community School District Chesterton Community School District in fact Chesterton has two referendum that their Community is paying for Monster Community Schools has successfully passed four referendums because the need is there at monster Community Schools and currently on the ballot next Tuesday across our state there are 29 school districts that are asking for a referendum it could be an operating referendum such as what we are asking for it could be a capital referendum to build or remodel schools or it could be a safety referendum those funds geared specifically for School Safety and Security so those are the three types of referendums 29 school districts caral down by Indianapolis for example they are seeking a referendum so this is not a Lake Station issue this is a Statewide issue our sister School River Forest has a referendum I believe HT has a referendum uh River Forest our neighboring School District yes they have a referendum uh and they have also renewed their referendum about two years ago so they have that referendum Crownpoint Community Schools has a referendum uh our neighbors uh to the West Gary Community Schools has a referendum uh Griffith Handover Community Schools Lake Central School City of Hammond and Hammond is also asking for two referendums on their ballot this coming Tuesday hbert monster that I've mentioned uh Lake Ridge marville East Chicago School City of Whiting Whiting has a referendum on the ballot Tuesday as I already mentioned Hammond has two referendum questions on the ballot so again this just illustrates that this is not a Lake Station schools issue this is a state issue and we have become referendum State thank you for that question thank you Sean um I just wanted to come up for a moment because the tax information you saw tonight was mine I wanted to make sure that everyone had an example of someone here living in Lake Station um my as Sean said my assessed value is slightly above average so most people are paying less than what I'm paying um I don't think what I'm paying is unfair um and Ralph is it possible to pull up my tax information again for me please um while he's trying to grab that um I just wanted to say that when we're looking at mine being a little over $20 um I mentioned at the Schoolboard meeting last night one example is my Netflix bill I mean it's probably about 18 bucks a month it's not the only streaming service I have either so I'm paying more than that for streaming services I don't think we're asking a whole lot to make sure that our kids are taken care of our teachers are taken care of the rest of the staff here are taken care of um obviously um with some of this here one thing I wanted to point out was that my property tax liability is this 1494 34 um I understand this may be your mileage may vary a little bit on this because I can't say what everyone's tax situation is but after factoring in the um tax cap 1% and then adding the referendum back in I'm really just paying what my original tax liability would have been without the property tax cap and I mean I'm with everyone else I like to spend less money if I can or spend more money on the things I want to spend money on but um this is really just Shoring up a shortage that was created by how the the tax Gap was implemented and how it affects the schools and I can tell you right now the $20 a month the average was what about 17 you said um $17 a month on average is a lot less than you're going to pay if you have to take your kid to school every day and miss a half an hour work here leave early to pick them up from school it's going to be a lot harder for you to try to navigate those things and you're going to be spending a lot more money that way um you'll be spending an awful lot more money you know at every turn and if you're really that concerned about how high your tax bill is I can assure you one one great way to lower your tax bill is to tank your home values and to do that would be to hurt your schools as much as you would by not voting for this referendum I I can't illustrate that enough it's uh good schools bring people to our city and we have we have some good schools here we have great teachers we have great people here and I think if we can continue the trajectory we're on we will grab more people bring more people in uh I hear all the people wanting a grocery store wanting a bank back things like that that won't happen if we don't have good schools and we're just going to hurt the whole Community if we don't continue to support our school the way we need to and I look at the clock we have about two minutes left before the end of our program so if there are other questions or comments people would like to make you are certainly welcome to do that but if not I'll let you go a little early thank you again for coming I really do appreciate it our administrators Sean and myself we will be staying behind a little bit so if you do have a question you'd like to ask any of us please feel free and thank you again for coming uh take your sticker please wear it proudly take your little cheat sheet take it with you and wear proudly and thanks again for coming

k12.in.us and up at the top is a referendum button on the ribbon go ahead and click that and then this menu will appear and you can select the C tax calculator button and this will appear next slide please uh so then when you you do arrive at the tax calculator the first thing you'll want to do is select your taxing district if you're not sure which taxing district you're in you can find your property tax bill um by clicking this link there that'll take you to um the thirdparty software that the Lake County treasurer's office uses to make their property tax information public um so not only could you figure out what taxing district you're in you could also double check our numbers um next you want to enter those gross assessed valuations from the property tax bill as they showed in order so 1% property 2% tax cap and 3% tax cap and then you can come down here and see how much here's that 17.4% again of the operating referendums represents of your total um and then finally on the bottom you can see both the monthly and the estimated annual investment that um we would anticipate you'd be making uh as a result of Lake Station Community Schools Opera in referendum I think that's my last slide yeah um so I'm happy to answer any questions I feel like I'm starting to ramble which is dangerous yes sir no iage [Music] ours absolutely okay they want to repeat that I just want to point it out that the assessed value and the fair market value is there's a large gap there but you think your home fair market value is is a lot higher than the assess value I would encourage everybody to go to our website and click on the assessor link all you have to do is type in your name it'll pull up your property you click on it it tells you exactly what your assess value is so you don't have to guess because the assess Val is G be a lot less than what you think your fair micr value is thank you that is true um unfortunately I just bought a house so they're rather close but of course all right well if uh anything comes to mind following the meeting please feel free to reach out to Dr KP Le or other members of the administration uh they know how to get in contact with you thank you thank you Sean I appreciate Sean coming this evening and making this presentation as to how your taxes as well as the average property tax increase so it says in our referendum question how that is calculated what I'd like for you to remember from Sean's presentation is two things the first thing I'd like for you to remember is the where it says in the question the average property tax increase is 46.3 one% remember when you're figuring averages there'll be some lower than 46 6.31% and there'll be some that are higher so the average is kind of the Middle Point the 46.3 one% is the increase of the property taxes that you pay that will now go toward the schools it's not an increase in property taxes of all the property taxes you already pay 46.