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PM Tuesday December 19th 20123 and I call this this meeting of the Board of Education to order Cindy would you please call the role yes M pres here hilber pres gonzale Thomas sliger present arandu here thank you next I would invite Aaron to lead us in the pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all um are there any items to add a remove from the agenda no sir no okay well our first thing is one of our favorite things to do is celebrate a success so um as our celebration this month we'd like to recognize Chris low um will you please make your way to the podium sir Chris has served is a member of the BPS 101 Board of Education from April 2015 till April 2023 and recognition of his dedication to inclusivity and fostering dialogue about Equity within the committee the Illinois state board of education has awarded Chris low the prestigious Thomas lay Burrows award for 2023 this esteemed award recognizes Schoolboard members who have made outstanding contributions and have shown commitment to educational equity and Community engagement during his eight-year term as school B board member Chris Champion the importance of Civic engagement amplifying Community Voices his effort have left a lasting impact on the BPS 101 district and Beyond on behalf of the BPS 101 Board of Education congratulations Chris on your recognition would you please share a few things of your thoughts and what this honor has meant to you sir probably surprising no one I have prepared thoughts um the last few weeks have been surreal for those that know me I'm not a huge fan of the spotlight and it is especially disconcerting to hear things hear people say good things about me I keep waiting to hear the butt however I'm okay with this one because I don't view this as my award I didn't do this by myself this is something we did as a community I've always prided myself on my willingness to hear and understand the concerns of others I believe this understanding is foundational to building Community I spent most of my experience as a community and Schoolboard member encouraging people to use their voice I taught them about the chain of command I encouraged them to learn how to have their voices heard I tried to bring those with common goals and concerns together so they could support one another I did everything I could to teach them how the system works and how to enact systemic change I emphasize their voices were important I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the amazing relationships and conversations I've made and had with community members here are just a few examples if Tim danowski hadn't approached me about the Watchdog program I wouldn't have been able to help bring the program to our schools had students such as Killian Isabella and Martin not approached the board about lgbtqia plus bigotry and racism I probably would have remain blissfully unaware of the suffering occurring under the surface of our often idelic appearing Town had Scott Naylor not introduced me to Amber jersa I would have continued to believe I was alone in this fight within the district a few years later she's the North Suburban teacher of the year and I'm here as the State Board member of the year that doesn't happen without that introduction there are many many other examples I'm not including that have led to this moment I am here because of the amazing folks who have risked their own personal Comfort to build a movement while progress may not be where we would like it we have built the foundations of something that can transform our district and our town I have learned a lot over the last few years especially when it comes to equity work tonight I'd like to share some of those things I've learned my hope is others can use the same methods to continue the important Community Building work first I apologize if this is long-winded but it is our responsibility to use our privilege and power whenever possible to protect the oppressed and those without power that includes when you have a captive audience and you receive an award when we remain silent we are complicit if we don't speak up we allow it to happen use your voice use your wallet always try to protect the innocent always question those with power I've learned Equity work is difficult work it will drain you both physically and mentally it will enrage you and leave you in tears as a volunteer in our community I have spent hundreds of hours sitting on Sidelines coaching and in meetings I feel a personal connection to many of the families and the children I've seen grow up yet as a black man I have seen kids and adults who I thought I had a mutual respect and admiration for commit blatant acts of racism and bigotry it feels as though our shared experiences meant nothing to them these moments can leave you confused angry and ready to give up pace yourself take care of yourself this is a marathon not a Sprint be patient consistent and firm but be kind trust me when I say it will take you to unexpected places I would never have guessed this is where I'd be when I first volunteered at hooverwood school as a stay-at-home parent I've learned Equity work requires us to work on both society and ourselves one of the most difficult things for me to accept was the knowledge that I have contributed and continue to contribute to systemic oppression and white supremacy I a black man in America trying to do the right thing and I am still part of the problem every day I make decisions that lead to the oppressions of others it is not intentional it happens when we participate in the system try to be aware of the consequences of your actions when you see you're causing harm try to do better if you can't ask yourself why that is I've learned we must seek out the voices that are not being heard if you have power chances are you know the opinions of those who are always in the room where decisions are being made how are those decisions impacting those who are not there if you don't know the concerns of those you serve how can you properly represent them our systems are designed to oppress those without power it is designed to silence those without power I believe it is Our obligation to protect and empower the vulnerable we do that by going out of our way to listen and hear their stories their truth support them on their Journey make certain those voices are heard better yet get them in the room where the decisions are being made representation matters I've learned we must use relationships we create to build coalitions when I began this journey I began because of the pain I was seeing from our children based on their emails and their comments at board meetings I knew they were suffering from many of the same problems I experienced as a child I decided it was time for me to use my privilege and power to help them at first I felt I was fighting alone I was isolated frustrated angry and things felt hopeless I felt all I saw was pain and everyone with power wanted to ignore it others as others began to hear and support me I was able to share the burden others were able to share their stories and experiences we were able to create and build spaces where we could safely learn grow and organiz organiz aone voice is easily ignored together we can't be silenced together we can Tear Down the Walls of systemic oppression and Empower our youth to create a more optimistic future for everyone a question I am often asked and was just asked yesterday by our state representative is how do we know if we're being successful I've got two answers for that first is the data driven response to know if you're making progress you need to have clearly defined goals and trackable metrics attached to these goals we know our district is overidentifying Children of color for special education we have specific data that demonstrates our students of color perform significantly worse on standardized tests we know 75% of our black students are in the bottom quarter on SAT scores we should use the data we know and collect the data we need Pro to protect the groups we're justifiably concerned about then you have to have a timetable to revisit these goals and a plan to adjust should you not make the progress you anticipated this typically means those making the changes need both power and a budget second and this is a much easier method ask the people you're trying to help if black students are struggling and you change policies to make things better ask those black students if they have seen and felt the changes ask them if their lives have improved let them tell you the changes are having a positive impact good intentions good intentions don't always make policies that are effective I've learned it is one thing to say the right words and say you're an accomplice or Ally it is different to actually do something we know oppressed groups suffer simply by existing what have you risked or sacrificed personally to help the oppressed how have you cast in your privilege for the benefit of those without it if we expect the World to Change we need to demonstrate we're willing to sacrifice and lead the way we need to change our approach and admit our fallibility we need to help develop the next generation of of leaders from students and staff and provide them with the leadership opportunities we need to seek out their voices and let them know how it is influencing our decisions we need to make sure there are leadership of positions available for them when they are ready that may me mean stepping down from a position of power so others can lead so new voices can be heard new ideas tried I sered two terms and intentionally chose not to run for a third term I believe it was time for someone else to have the opportunity I made a deliberate effort to work with community members to find folks who could be potential leaders we provided information ssts on how to run for office what various elected officials did and the obligations required to anyone who is interested we helped them navigate the process for getting on the ballot running a Campa and running a campaign we helped introduce them to voters and educated them on an important issues in our community I am proud to say that after serving as the first black School Board member in bavia history our city replaced me with three candidates of color to the best of my knowledge they are the first to represent their respective groups on the school board and possibly within our community thank you for having the courage to run and be strong enough candidates to win the support of our community I am confident you will continue serving them all well and lastly I've learned Equity work is not passive work we must be proactive if we expect there to be changes doing nothing supports the status quo which we know is built on oppression everyone has something to offer it is our responsibility to use our skills and privilege to ensure all of our children have access to what they need to thrive we must be the example they deserve to see with that in mind I want to leave you with two quotes from James Baldwin the first if one really wishes to know how Justice is administered in a country one does not question the policemen the lawyers the judges or the protected members of the middle class one goes to the unprotected those precisely who need the laws protection most and listens to their testimony and second those who say it can't be done are usually interrupted by others doing it thank you thank you Chris appreciate all the work and effort you did one thing I was going to say that I I personally learned because I came on the board while you were on it already is one thing about you that I I picked up is it's never about me it's always about we with you you always do the right thing you always try to forge a path forward might be hard but you you know you're doing what's right for you and what's right for others at the same time so thank you so appreciate that okay next public comments welcome to the Board of Education if anyone wishes to address the board this evening please hear our recording secretary to submit a form for addressing the board please put your full name and address on the form in general the board will not answer questions or engage in dialogue during public comment this does not mean we do not take your concerns or comments seriously the board values active Community participation in the district Endeavors and encourages people to engage with the district using appropriate channels and systems designed with your input in mind board members are not involved in the day-to-day operations of the district and cannot engage in District business individually if you have specific questions or would like to further engage with the district you may submit your questions using the link on the website and appropriate St St member will communicate with you our BPS 101 communication manager Holly dman will now explain the procedures for public comment and call up the first speakers that I assume we have thank you president Meadows we have two today uh speakers will be called up in order of form submission the first form received is the first person invited to speak when your name is called please come to the podium so that you can be heard all individual speaking will be limited to 3 minutes as you can see there is a timer already displayed up on the screen and we'll start as soon as you're settled at the podium at any time during this meeting written comments may be submitted to our recording secretary Cindy Rodriguez at my right speakers should conduct themselves with Civility and respect towards everyone in this room our first speaker is marann neerman hi I'm Maran neerman and I work at Rolo Middle School for the support staff I had no intentions of being here tonight so I'm not really very prepared to speak but it was brought to my attention that we're going to vote on Outsourcing the placement of some PA professionals or something really don't know much about it but I do know that I guess we're going to pay him like 60 plus some thousand dollars of taxpayer funded money to put these people in a position through the end of May I think so it's a short-term fix on a problem that's been in this district for years we've had a problem with getting people to work for our district for years and it might be because we're paying him to start out $424 an hour now keep in mind this agency that we're they're going to vote on approving we're going to pay an agency 60 some thousand it's my understanding and I could be wrong because I literally found out about it today to employ a two to three employees okay so 60 some thousand employee couple employees keep in mind if you go directly to District you're to make $4 and 24 cents an hour so it doesn't lead much you know to the imagination as to why we can't find people to work here right I've worked for the district over 16 years and I don't even make $16 an hour but we're going to allow a person to come in here and work for an agency step in to a par professional position and make make probably more than I make a lot of talk about Equity just now and I am a reasonable person and I am open to any feedback that somebody can come and bring to me to help me to see this as an equitable proposition for the existing employees support staff at Roto middle school or I guess the district um I'm a fortunate person my husband has a job makes a good living so I am not one of those people that are doing it because they need need it but there's a lot of people out there that need the money and $142 24 an hour isn't very Equitable I know a lady that works in the district she's been working here 22 years she makes $27,000 a year but we're going to give an agency $660,000 to put a couple people in place to fix a problem for five months so what are we going to do in August when August rolls around it's my understanding those people it's a shortterm contract May it's over with August comes around we're going to have the same problem what are we going to do you think they're going to negotiate it for $60 some thousand I wouldn't if I were them they know we're in a not very good position right so we're going to allow these people to come in and pay people that have zero loyalty to our district we have a lady that's been there 22 years and she makes $27,000 an now so there's a lot of the morale is just a little bit in the tank right now people try to stay upbeat there's a lot of good relationship with the students there I question the relationship that these people that are going to have a f Monon contract with our district are have with those people with the students and aren't we here for the students really aren't we here for the interest of the students I find it hard to believe that this is going to end in five months and that they're going to be able to develop those relationships thank you next we have Tracy gayus um I am my name is Tracy Gus um I used to work at Early Childhood Center um as a par professional um I recently resigned um just to tag along with you due to the pay um it's isn't enough to make a living however that is not my main issue here today my main issue here today is um safety concerns at JB Nelson and also behavioral concerns it also tags along with the prior comment we do not have the resources at JB Nelson to manage the behavioral and safety concerns at the school every day there's five plus needs at that school for Subs I should also say I'm also on the list to be a sub I help out at JB or wherever um and there's just not enough hands there's so many behaviors across the district across I mean the entire United States with kidss I'm sure Co had a a lot of lot to do with it everything else home life whatever we don't always know um but there's just none enough hands we can't get the people and if that's first I've heard of what you were saying um it's a lot of concerns there we've had recently had JB Nelson lots of safety concerns with particular students um every day there's safety concerns things aren't being handled I don't think properly um on the safety behavioral and possibly even the bullying front um and I don't know really what else they add for that I wasn't really prepared to really be here until 30 minutes ago um but yes that's all I really have I think I just want to make it known I need I need it looked into because I'm at that point where I'm either going to pull my kids out or I'm going to I moved here for this district and I'm fed up so that's it yes I made time thank you very much next is our BPS Partners uh Todd with the Bea good evening everyone um before I start um I was just on the way in here I had like a memory flashback so last December was the first time we were formally introduced to Tom and he was here with his wife and his daughters and they were all sitting right here and it kind of shocks me that's been like a whole year ago already but I the one thing I remember is I made a connection to um home alone and you being our John Candy coming in here and like saving the day and so um it was just funny that I had that recollection so again um even though you've only been here I know you count the months and and reflect on how many months you've been in your position we've known you for more than a year now so that's really kind of amazing how time has flown so I just wanted to share that and the rest of my talk for tonight is about Chris low so first off I just wanted to say uh congratulations to Chris in being recognized by not only the State Board of Education for his contributions to the BPS school system while serving as a member of the board of education but more importantly for being recognized by your colleagues and the here tonight your student focused lens rooted in your own experiences with equity and inclusion brought a perspective onto the board that was at times itself underrepresented or misunderstood by those without similar experiences you sought to not only educate those around you but to motivate by your words and your actions thank you for fearlessly speaking your truth standing up when it seemed you might be the only one standing and keeping the lens focused on whose voices weren't being heard and how to support our staff to ensure their needs were met so our students can continue to grow from the Bea Chris you have our respect our gratitude and most importantly our thanks for what you accomplished while you were on the board and for what you will continue to do as a community leader in bavia thank you very much and then that's all I have for my comments tonight so I'm going to wrap it up and just say um I'd like to wish you all a very happy holiday season filled with peace joy and time spent with those that you love make the most of every opportunity that comes your way and have an amazing winter break and I will see you all in 2024 thanks thanks to thanks you're doing okay over there Chris you're doing okay all right next is Laura from Besa hi Laura okay so um it is an honor to introduce to you Mary labau um she is a dedicated special education par professional who has been an invaluable part of BPS 101 Community for the past 20 years her journey is one marked by Passion resilience and an unwavering commitment to help students overcome challenges Mary's career began at Early Childhood Center where where she spent an impressive 15 years in the instructional classroom her profound dedication to the program and the students there was undeniable however five years ago her journey took a new direction as she transitioned to hooverwood elementary school she embraced the role in the K2 developing opportunities also known as do classroom for two years followed by another two years in the three to five grade classroom this current year Mary has returned to the K2 Doo classroom developing opportunities program is a therapeutic instructional program designed for students in kindergarten through fifth grade who experience social emotional challenges that affect their school achievement classroom Behavior social skills and relationships with others the program is divided into two classrooms catering to the different age groups in her personal life Mary is a mother of three grown children each of whom graduated from BPS 101 her children have gone on to pursue diverse and meaningful paths one is a social worker in Alabama another is a third grade teacher at Louise White hi eron and also her son serves as a paramedic firefighter with the West Chicago Fire Department Mary's personal life is equally fulfilling she's been married to husband Greg for the past four and a half years they reside in Geneva they share their lives with her three stepchildren living in Florida and Tennessee and two beloved grandchildren whom they love to spend time with and to spoil together they find joy in attending sporting events country concerts and exploring new places one thing that Mary wishes more people understood is the vital importance of their roles in the programs that they support over the years Mary has witnessed the profound impact she's had on the lives of students parents of the past students often reach out to her sharing stories of the positive influence she's had on their children it is a testament to the dedication and unwavering support that she provides one of the most Cherished Memories throughout Mary's career has been witnessing students who graduated from self-contained do program thriving in the general education classroom this transition represents the ultimate success of the program and the students it serves however there is one aspect that Mary feels should change the compensation for par professionals after dedicating two decades of her life to BPS 101 Mary is currently making $20 and 61 cents for 20 years of service she believes there should be recognition and compensation for the years of service within the district particularly given the intensity and physical demands of her role dealing with challenging behaviors including scratching spitting kicking hitting punching biting are just a few that can be part of a daily routine for the par professional yet Mary and her colleagues persevere because they believe in the program and are committed to helping students succeed in closing Mary is more than a special education par professional she is an advocate a mentor and an inspiration her unwavering commitment to students and her desire to see them Thrive is evident in her dedication to her work her story is one of compassion resilience and the pursuit of excellence and education thank you for your outstanding service Mary you Laura according to our board policy we designate a p in the agenda as consent agenda for those items that are usually are usually repetitive and do not require extensive discussion before board action do committee reports oh yeah sorry thank you my vice president reminded me we need to do committee reports I jumped right over it I'm sorry anybody have committee reports for today Danielle did you have one yeah okay let me find gives everybody a chance to exit where' everyone go don't take it personally Chris doesn't want to sit through this yeah right he's like did it long enough what the heck time okay no it's okay um plaque met on November 16th I was not in attendance but from a notes um it seems that they've begun to strategize and produce their preliminary professional development planning with listing goals they'll continue with discussion and revision at the next meeting um discussion at the next meeting will also include BPS bpsu and its offerings that next meeting is scheduled for January 25th um Equity met on December 7th and the commune it definitely is having really productive conversations it's it's really exciting to hear them come together um the the last meeting kind of went over their priorities and focus of the group discuss what's going well what's not going well um within the district and there was honest and encouraging discussion behind that which was really nice to hear you know you have different points of views and everyone give allows the space and kind of feedback um there was a bit of time taken to find a way to bring the student voice to the group a lot of that was Logistics and what will feel comfortable for the kids we talk about equ Equity within the kids whether they can uh come to Something in person stream in what will they feel comfortable and safe with um so there's a lot of that to consider so um I think the next meeting will continue that conversation and I that will enable them to really decide what to focus on they want to hear student voices since everything is for the kids and decide what the main focuses are because I mean it's a long list of obviously different things but um they'll continue that conversation the next meeting is on February 1st I don't have as complete a report as that uh the insurance committee met and um I'll just say say we uh shared some good cheer and we reflected upon the past year and discussed uh the work ahead uh and so the next meeting will uh I'll probably have a little more substance as far as topics of discussion did I miss anything Tony that covers it okay not a comence that covers it Rob um I I don't have too much to share I I did uh attend the the last curriculum committee meeting and um was more listening and observing and learning um during that process so um getting the feet wet and getting going on it so it's a big topic yeah I just want to draw attention to the on on the BPS 101 website the stiping committee has a nice new page created there um it's really uh transparent helps with the knowledge I'd say covers the purpose statement the scope of their responsibilities DET telling the contract uh agreement also their guiding values and uh if you want to learn about the application process there's a nice Ro map explaining everything so it's really nice well done website or I should say page on our website it's underneath the groups section on the B website that's it all right uh rack meets later this week Thursday Thursday so uh we'll have an update at the next one can I go to consented J okay thank you sir all right according to a board policy we designate a portion of the agenda as a consent agenda for those items that usually do not require extensive discussion before bared action these items are generally retained recurring and can be grouped together for efficiency Steve would you like to share anything before we take action I don't know why I asked that as a question I will happily share oh thank you thank you sir the consent agenda with you uh 5.1 is the approval of the meeting minutes from November 14th 2023 5.2 is our monthly uh Personnel report 5.3 is our monthly payroll and bills uh 5.4 is our donations if you click into that there were four different donations um all sizable and appreciated from uh bavi Arts Council David and Alice verelli office dep Depot and beefy uh 5.5 is our board member expenses 5.6 is the approval to renew our student photography contract 5.7 is our special education contracts 5.8 is the approval of the 2425 academic calendar 5.9 um is the curricular material display which is right outside and 5.10 is the approval of the consent agenda anyone have any questions I um I think it might be appropriate if you wouldn't mind expanding on item five .7 yeah I mean uh I can share Carrie Rue came to uh cabinet um this was a cabinet level decision led by Tom Kim um with uh significant challenges uh at our high school with all of our specialized programs um we have entertained and tried to do a few things over the course of this year to uh get better staff there and we have not had great success um therefore she came to us with a concept cep of um utilizing some uh contracts with some outside agencies uh to give some context over the last few years we've done uh these sorts of contracts to um hire uh various specialized positions like psychologists uh social workers speech pathologists um uh certified School nurses uh all those sorts of things um and to uh meet the needs over at Pavia High School um we have uh brought this contract to you to get a couple of uh par professionals uh Carrie uh when she made this request um and we processed this in cabinet uh it was determined that uh the area of greatest need is bavia High School in addition um you are also going to be approving uh a a couple of uh staff members uh we're shifting kind of the structure of the program um because of a lack of staff and so we're actually hiring additional coach co-teachers um that will start January uh 8th um in an attempt again to uh better serve our kids so that's kind of the backstory of those um we certainly understand um how some may perceive this but uh one Central issue is that we have students who come into our buildings every single day and we need to meet their needs um and be properly staffed and so um we have to make these kinds of decisions I appreciate that I I know we've tried lots of things to get folks in here um so I appreciate it I also wanted to call out then on this Personnel report if I'm not right if I'm not right if I'm wrong there's three pair professionals leaving again in this month yes what are your thoughts on that as far as the need for replacement there we have to take the same route probably not necessarily um I'm not going to get into each individual's unique circumstances um but yeah it's it's anytime we lose uh any staff members in the midst of a school year it's obviously a big concern um we have continued to keep the positions posted um again when we're making decisions about where to allocate staff we really look at the greatest areas of need and uh so I can't necessarily say what will happen uh over at uh two of them I know were at Rolo one in early childhood um Early Childhood uh for whatever reason has been in very very good shape this entire school year with par professionals I think that uh that job um at the Early Childhood might be a little bit more uh appealing um to someone as opposed to working with uh larger students who uh have have maybe more significant needs um so not exactly sure I don't I don't when we uh we worked with our bestas association um on an agreement uh an Mo MOA to uh to to do the special education contracts and I believe we put in there up to four pair professionals um we have two um but like anything it's not like uh the Contracting agency has a list of 25 pair professionals that are available okay um we were actually very happy to scratch out too so we'll have to see where that goes I appreciate also the knowledge of the mo MOA with the with Besa yeah that makes sense it was a question I don't wasn't going to ask cross my mind I ask one other thing does anyone else have anything on on those two I do have feel so are these vacancies will they stay posted and be filled if they're filled then what happens with the contract do we have lots of needs we probably I think we're short 12 to 14 PA pros and so um that was a part of our agreement with Besa was that absolutely we will continue to keep these posted and we will hire as many people as we can I think it's a bit farfetched to think think that we' be replace all of our Paro positions um but certainly if we were able to get a handful of paros then we would allocate um staff uh PA Pros as needed to the greatest areas of need okay and what's the likelihood I I read in there about the um the rate for overtime what is the likelihood of that happening probably very low okay yeah because essentially their day runs you know their regular work day um I can't think of a whole lot of instances where they would be working any overtime um Beyond like an emergency situation where we had like maybe a shelter in place and had to wait several hours to get clearance and and get kids home when those things happen um you know that would be extraordinary unique but that might be something but the the body of their regular work by the nature of the position generally speaking does not require any overtime so just also as a clarification the $62,000 number is a grand total between these two correct I have not done the math but yeah looking at their hourly rates and what we anticipate their work year to be for half of the Year okay and that's a fully loaded rate with whatever they get paid because you're paying through an agency that's not their take-home per se it's their insurance and whatever else the agency covers for them that's the agency fee yeah okay thank you any anything else on this topic did you have another one I just want to throw out there the item 5.8 the academic calendar I peppered these gentlemen with questions about the calendar and there was a lot of really good really thought out um answers to my questions so I feel like it deserves a little bit more credit than just another line item you all put a lot of work into it I saw you worked with the the union members on it as well and um got a lot of insight to it so everything I was like but what about but what about they're like we can't because of this we can't because of that so um I I don't want to be a part of that process so don't ask me thank you all for doing that work with the calendar yeah one of the yes thank you one of the things I learned early on and because the block calendar system at least from my perspective kind of like forces you to have to end things at the high school level before you know Christmas and so that's a lot of what I learned anyway when I was going through this the first couple times that kind of pushes everything in a certain direction as well so but I will say I do concur that now that both of my boys are in college they were well prepared for their college life based on that kind of block schedule Arrangement even though they don't ever use a locker and haven't since middle school so it's different okay any other questions on any other items before I entertain a motion thank you very much I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented so move second motion by RJ second by Aaron this an all in favor or we doing roll call uh nope Cindy please leave us in a roll call Vote Yes Yes Meadow yes yes thank you very much motion passes Tom is there anything to share under reports or would you includ share items of are report yeah I'll start with uh for Foya there are no Foya requests to report the and then moving on to our Treasures report yep Treasures report Tony I'm I'm leaping to a conclusion it's going to be you it's yeah um yes it's me and uh nothing out of the ordinary to report the standard investment report and uh revenues and expenditures and fund balances are that okay enrollment projections enrollment projection I will give you some highlights enrollment did decline last year or excuse me this year compared to last year uh and is continued the trend although I it is what's notable is is that we actually have more students enrolled this year than we had otherwise expected given our projection model so as a matter of fact there are more kindergarteners here than we would have otherwise expected that were born in King County and there's a number of reasons why that might be the case we don't exactly know for certain but a lot of it we believe has to do with the housing market there could be some variance of course too in the number of students that happen to be born and reside in bavia U but overall we see that as a good sign there's about 50 more kindergarteners than we would have otherwise expected 50 did you have a question 5 Z 5 Z yeah and they weren't equally peppered across the district where they they are they they they're they don't don't ever show up in uh equal dispersions uh that's never the case they're always clumped and they're usually clumped in the places that you would least have where you have the least room uh so uh but we do hope that you know that's an interesting turn we we do hope that it continues all said however enrollment will continue to decline next year they're just as I like to say we're not manufacturing as many as we used to we graduate classes of over 500 students and there's only about 300 50 or so give or take that are coming in behind them so enrollment obviously goes down then there's not that many students moving into the district in a given year to offset that decline we do believe that given birth rates as they are right now that enrollment will stabilize over the next 5 years at about 5,000 students and the declines that we will see will primarily take place at the high school as those smaller classes enter the high school so this graph that's shown here that yellow bar you see the yellow components of the bar graph getting smaller and smaller those are high school enrollments you can see that roughly speaking the green and blue bars are about the same those are middle school and Elementary School enrollments so um interesting data now can I add I believe that what you referenced that I believe two years ago was the largest graduating class that bavia high school had in its history so that was a spike that we had so that's not the norm to have that many students and it's all downhill from there for the for downhill from there in terms of new enrollments um if you scroll down just a wee bit please Holly this just a breakdown of of who is coming to us when they enroll just a little bit more get to the bottom of this table we'll see that roughly um seven or eight% of the students coming to us that are new have uh IEPs special needs needs 30% low income and 25% um are not necessarily English speakers and so uh what's interesting is those numbers and for non-english speakers are increasing primarily due to what's happening across the world students have different needs and so we keep an eye on those things so that we can continue to um make adjustments so that we meet students needs as they're coming to us and um if you scroll down just to the very bottom Holly there's a blue bar graph right right here or line graph these are the uh the live births in K County over the last 10 years so you can see how much smaller when I say we're not manufacturing as many as we used to we're not you know birth rates were over 9,000 in K County uh 10 years ago and now they're just over 6,300 so things are changing this is the first one though I can remember that there was actually actually a discussion or statement about stabilization yeah right because the talk over years even during the referend and others people were talking about if it's declining declining declining like it's almost like at some point they thought it was going to hit zero right you know so knowing that it's interesting that the language is starting to morph into stabilization is good to know what the future holds is anybody's guessed but you know we're just looking at the trends right all right we can move on to the financial forecast which is the next item on the agenda we also Thunder sorry about that unless there's other questions about the enrollment report it feeds in of course into the financial forecast obviously student enrollment is a key component of our um the resources needed and required to educate students and so that's obviously an important thing in terms of highlights been saying for for several years now um we are in a much better fiscal position than we were uh even 5 years ago uh the the district has a higher credit rating with a standard and poor and we have to maintain credit ratings for our for our bonds so so that individuals or organizations that wish to invest and buy our bonds they have to understand what our credit creditor worthiness is and our ability to repay and so that has improved in recent years and we've also significantly improved our fund balances our fund balances that in the spring we had to issue tax anticipation warrants because we run out of cash we weren't able to make payroll or pay our bills we had to borrow money to make that before the taxes came in looking at all the based on all the assumptions what's happening in the economy and looking at a revenue sources we do believe that budgets will remain balanced until 2028 however in 2029 we anticipate a a deficit and the key drivers of that are increased costs for Staffing it would also um increase costs for purchase Services we rally very heavily in this District on Outsourcing um transportation food service and um custodial and those contracts with the inflationary pressures that we Face elsewhere in the economy are driving those contracts up as well and we also faced uh increased costs and and needs for maintaining our facilities and so we're Bing some of those contributions for maintaining those schools into these into these ections we're in fact increasing them by 15% annually so if all continues on this current Trend you know unless we're very careful uh we are likely to see a a deficit in 2029 um this assumes that we're not hiring any more staff in fact it's assuming that we make some reductions in staff proportional to student enrollments um but it also knows to it does consider uh that the next one of the next big costs that are coming for us is negotiations with besta and uh and increase in terms of uh wages and salaries for individuals in that particular EMB bargaining unit so uh if you scroll down just a little bit Holly we'll see a graphical representation of that please thank you going down you can see this is what's projected you can see the that yellow bar that kind of stretches across that yellow line it stretches across the bars is our fund balance and while it is increasing it the rate of increase slowly tapers off to the point where it actually starts turning downward in the other direction in 29 the blue bars represent revenues the green bars represent expenditures and the blue stands proud over the green until 29 if we scroll down just a little bit more Holly will see the history over the last five years which includes this year and you can see that the with the green bars are much taller than the excuse me the blue bars are much taller than the green bars and the pandemic has been good to us in that sense we avoided a lot of costs during the pandemic we didn't spend as much money on Transportation uh during lockdown a lot of the activities ceased and so there was a lot of things that didn't happen then we also had received a lot of money from the feds to support us and particularly for food service and um responding to the pandemic and the like and now those funds are are going away and those costs are coming back with the the full force of inflation and so you can see that it's changing pretty quickly our essentially our expenditures are growing much faster than our revenues and so we'll need to be careful um and the other thing is is that we cannot expect more money from anybody else other than from local taxpayers unfortunately we're in tier four of the evidence-based funding formula which means that we exceed 100% of funding adequacy for our students needs and so from the stakes the state of Illinois purview we don't need additional money here in Pavia uh and from the feds we will get more money each year from the feds but not anything appreciable basically the bottom line is every new dollar that we have here in bavia is going to come from local property taxpayers that's not a situation that's unique in bavia but it it we definitely feel the pressure here in bavia and we'll talk more about that in a little bit when we talk about the tax levy but that said um you have this slide in here that we were looking at with the breakdown of the 82% is that that's coming that comes up in the um we'll talk about that in the tax levy but yes 81% of all of our Revenue comes from local property tax payers yes I'd happy to answer any questions that you have about the financial forecast then at this time it would appear thanks toy I I'll just say it looks good I mean when you start getting out five or six years I'm guessing five years ago when you did this forecast you didn't anticipate what have a pandemic and so things are going to happen that we can't foresee exactly so it's good to go out that far but it's just sort of like it's important to see where the Contour it's where the trends are going but you're good but you're not that good so yeah he's close he's close I'm just saying like obviously it's concerning to say we might have a deficit 2029 but there's things are going to change between now and then will impact those yeah we could have more money we could have less is it's difficult to tell of all the assumptions hold which they certainly will not there'll be there'll be some variance right so I'm just starting to say like yes it's something to keep an eye on but I wouldn't be overly concerned about that at this point is that accurate I would say that's accurate yes thank you okay thank you very much next is the several action items we have first one on the table is adoption of the warm safe and dry facilities maintenance plan Tony Tony are you kicking us off on this and yeah this going be for it a tag team or remarkable as Podium and I can tell he's dying to get up there he's excited yeah um we talked about this uh uh a in um in October um and um we took your feed back and kept talking about it and we're trying to present information to you in such a fashion that it is um helps you see how all the elements fit together um Mark and his team are in the midst of What's called the 10-year Life Safety survey and that is a required survey that we have to do every 10 years and that that survey will be complete but there are some things that we already know that will have uh pretty considerable costs that we're aware of right now that we've added here those that would make up category one which are the mandatory safety items and Mark can give you some more details on those if you're interested um the majority actually all of those are fire fire alarm related you say that again fire alarm related so between devices boards stuff that's l absolute having difficulty getting replacement parts for them all that other good stuff yep okay the second category of items are what we call warm and dry and they were identified as Priority One and essential items that need to be addressed in our Master facilities plan when we were doing that those items were identified and some cases as early as 2018 2019 school year and they have been on our list for some time and they're getting to the the point where um we we can't ignore them any longer is that a fair statement the third item is safe entries that's the one component of the things on this list which we would consider to be optional in terms of how we want to approach them um there are the safe entries the only two schools remaining that do not have safe entries or vestibules is our HC Storm school and Louise White School um the way that those schools are configured and given their age um the work and the costs associated with putting safe entries on those schools is significant estimated to be some 12 a half plus million dollars uh because it requires considerable work inside the building we looked at um other options where we could add on to the school and those costs were more than twice um of what you see here and it's just Out Of Reach for us um with our with our finances uh the challenge with those safe entries however is that if we were to decide to move forward with them you wouldn't of course turn around and tear those school down schools down and rebuild them as was recommended in our Master facilities plan so if we were to move forward with these safe entries it would not be prudent to do so if you plan to rebuild those schools the challenge here however for the board is that the amount of work as you can see with 125 million is substantial and requires a significant degree of planning and engineering and architecture there's lead time involved in doing so so if we were to start today the earliest that work would be finished would be not the coming school year but the school year following and we cannot delay long any longer if we want that work to happen on that timeline so that's why we're here with this decision now now this uh and then then there's general maintenance items which are priority to maintenance items it's a significant amount of money but other things that is need to be done for the well uh for good upkeep of our schools and then fifth being functional improvements there is no dollar amount there because we just wanted to make sure it was clear that none of the work here in this plan to keep our schools warm safe and dry would actually functionally impove improve the learning environment for students or for staff this is just so to speak keeping the lights on and keeping the school warm and safe um the in terms of funding this you see a dollar amount there total some $48 million this really should be thought of as a framework uh because when we dig into these projects and work with our Architects and Engineers to make them happen we might need to repackage them in different ways based off of the the the conditions that exist in the schools or the timing of things um and we expect that these costs will escalate over time so these are this is $48 million in today's dollars and this is a plan that would take five years for us to fully Implement so those costs of course would escalate with inflation as we would otherwise expect in terms of being able to fund it there'd be two pots essentially that would fund this work one would be existing fund balance it be about roughly speaking in round numbers $25 million from our fund balances we just talked about earlier and we've been adding to that pot but half of the the fund balance would go toward this work the other would be from our operating budget we talked earlier about increasing those annual allocations by 15% so over those five years we' increase our operating budget and allocations in that operating budget for capital projects by 15% each year and that would get us very near the total of some $52 Million worth of work that we're considering this doesn't preclude us from considering a referendum in the future so that's certainly a possibility and that's available to the board we don't have to make that decision tonight but the decision we are asking you to make is we've got a lot of projects that are very expensive that really just can't wait anymore and in particular if we want to put safe entries on these schools at storm and Louis in a the next two years uh the time we need to start now Mark I kind of stole your thunder there I'm sorry that's okay get picture you've seen a lot of the pictures I know so the other thing the safe entries does include um because to do that work um in those buildings you'll be shifting things around to make that work we also include the kindergarten in there too kind of anticipating that for when full day kindergarten comes on so that is included in this as well for people that are going to watch this online could you just share an overview like when you walk into those two schools what that looks like because I've been in both and it is sort of not what you'd expect walking into a modern school it is not what you'd expect when you walk into a moderate School Mark no so when you walk into those schools you don't walk directly into the office area you basically walk into well depending on which school you're at um the cafeteria is either on the left or your right or you can go into you know a hallway into other classrooms if you go to the right or your left if you walk straight a distance then you have to then enter the office so really it's more of an open concept when you walk in now there are things in place you don't just walk in the door you have to buzz in um things like that but when Tony talked about a secure vestibule at all the other schools when when you you have to buzz in and you walk into either a vestibule and then get buzzed into another door then you enter into the office um that is not the case at storm or Louise we wouldn't call them unsafe right but they're not ideal they require different procedures and um um it's just not how things work in today's times or how they should work so it's something that we do need to address any comments or questions this is a big one I have a lot of comments and a lot of questions but I'm willing to let other people go first Stu they want I think that let me sorry let me talk a little bit about timeline we talked about oh yeah go for it good idea um we did guson and JB Nelson that timeline was very very tight that project's about a third of the size square footage as these projects would be um if we were to say we're going to do this plan on January 9th I would be contacting our Architects and engineers and the planning would be done um that's how quick and it will take basically that timeline is to plan and then we would want to get this out to bid in October time frame and bring it to you in November probably the latest on be comfortable with lead time items and things like that because we're not building a new building we're going into a building that's about 46 years old so you don't know exactly what you're getting into so you want to have some time and some contingencies built in place for those unforeseen conditions so that's why the timeline's important because basically less from well 10 months from right now as we would be going out to bid for the summer of is um I've got just one question to lead ask as many questions as you want I understand the timing on it as far as if we want it done by a certain date what's driving the statement that you made Tony that we can't wait any longer if well that's the Assumption well there's two parts of that we can't wait any longer we we can wait on the safe entries that's just a function of whether or not we're comfortable with that we heard from the community and the master planning process which we started in 2017 that this was an important and very highly urgent item and we've been building a plan trying to float a referendum it didn't come to fruition and now we're at a crosswords we have to make a decision is so what we're going to do there items one two and four those can't wait anymore we need to start working on taking care of our school facilities so that they remain warm safe and dry and Mark can give you more details but we Face daily issues with our HVAC systems um or and Plumbing Systems um you know we talked in October we showed you pictures of the the domestic piping at JB Nelson it's galvanized pipe and it's at far beyond the end of its life and we're just one leak away from catastrophe when when it comes to uh flooding for in that in that building we literally have to bust open concrete walls whenever something starts to leak and it's it's not a good situation to be in we we just can't bury our head in the sand anymore and pretend like these things are going away it's time to take care of them in that part I recognize the one three the one two and four I'm still not understanding the crossroads that we're at is it we're tired of waiting and we just want to do something no this is us simply saying if the expectation is is that to put safe vestibules on those two schools in particular and it's to do it in a timely fashion if we wanted to do it not for next school year but the one following we have to make a decision very soon okay I get and if we don't make a decision understand what you're saying it's going to be another school year Beyond okay I give thank you it was hard for me to grasp for some reason so um go ahead with your questions Aon I've got more but I'll see if you cover them okay well you took my first one so when I was reviewing this I came up with four questions with sub questions but the first why is it necess necessary to do this at this time which we've just answered and if we're looking at what we're proposing to doing fire alarms warm and dry so when our kids are school they're comfortable safe entries I I don't think anyone could argue that that's we'd be negligent if we weren't addressing those primary needs in our buildings these are not extravagances by anyone's definition so and we went through the referendum process twice because if you would have got different results these would have been addressed so we gave the community a chance to weigh in a larger context on those Vates and they spoke and I respect the community decision but now these these remain and we have to address them so that's why I feel it's urgent to do it now and because of what Mark said it's not like you snap your fingers and they start construction it's a very long process to do it right so that was my first question my second question is and Tony answered this is how do we fund it and are we living within our means because $48 million is a lot of money that's for the most part the community's dollars that we're spending we take that very seriously we don't spend $1 without giving it careful consideration and so Tony answered it by saying that it would basically a split of fund balance and operating budget I would like to ask we are retiring bonds we're paying 9.1 this year we'll pay n but when they PID off every time I say it's 9.
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to order cre mon School Board 2011 School District regular school board meeting today is Tuesday December 19 20123 at 6:30 p.m. Madam Secretary roll call please sure Mr Al here Mr gyos here Mr group is here Mr swales here miss site stumbris here Dr Hull here president Brown here let us stand to be led by the Pledge of Allegiance by board member Mr gyos and followed by a mission statement read by Dr Hall I pledge alleg to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all our mission statement Empower each student to positively impact the world for a bright new future thank you both uh do we have any board updates uh public comments I'm sorry we do have one public comment thank you Madam Secretary and that is from our cmea president Mary brag regarding holidays good evening ladies and gentlemen on behalf of the Creon Education Association we want to thank you the board members for all of your hard work and diligence on working with us collaboratively to help make this school district great for our students and staff we want to thank the administration for all of your hard work and meeting with us and hearing our voices and we want to wish you all a safe happy and healthy holiday season stay warm on these cold days and stay cool on the hot days thank you thank you thank you all righty no further public comments do we have any board updates if not one quick one from me that I did attend on Sunday the South land event that was given by I think Rich Township and you know a portion of our school district is in the County of Cook and University Park represented that part of Cook County for our school district and they requested that the school board which is they consider us a family we consider them a family have a representative there so I was able to attend that event well well represented it a lot of dignitaries the kids were so happy a lot of toys was given out and some other things to the needy families so very well put together event kudos to all that was involved with that any other updates if not we're going to go I just want to say that uh the high school ran a really um good showcase this Saturday make sure I said showcase because showcase basketball showcase this Saturday um past Saturday um it was a lot of teams from the area really good competition so um it just seems to get better and better so excellent excellent yeah we have a lot of things going on a lot of good things going on in the district with our athletes and so many other areas that our kids participate in as well as all the whole staff and employees all right next up administrative updates by our superintendent good news thank you Mr Brown um we are so pleased tonight uh as you can see we have a lot of uh people here to support our four athletes that uh went well and Beyond um excellence and tonight we've got Mr John keki uh he's going to introduce um our young men share a little bit of information about them and share their successes with us tonight uh thank you uh Dr koganes and the Board of Education uh for allowing me to come here today uh to speak about outstanding achievements of four of our student athletes from CRE Roy High School uh just a brief history the ihsa started State Series in 1974 uh and they've been running a state series ever since we've obviously had uh lot of success most recently uh in a number of our Sports and 2019 we were the uh boys state championship overall uh in addition tonight we'll be honoring a relay team that's the second I'm sorry the third male rela team uh that's actually won a state championship uh since uh our competition in the state series um I just have to say this uh what they did during that season was nothing short of amazing and the effort that they put forth was nothing short of amazing and it's a testament to obviously who they are and the support of their families that they were able to attain a gold medal uh so what we're going to do here is bring each of the individuals up including coach warts who was the coach at the time uh and we're going to present the picture uh as well as the ring from the state championship series so without further Ado I'll call each of the individual student athletes up I'll present them with the ring as well as the picture and at the end here uh if moms and dads want to get a picture with that we can go right ahead and take care of it so uh Mr lonel [Applause] bips uh Mr Edward [Applause] Clark picture you no I said the yeah sorry stay up here uh for all the student athletes who are receiving Rings I'd like you to stay up here put the rings on and then you can give the box to your family members uh Joshua Franklin and then uh George [Applause] safo then last but not least and I it's a fun fact uh Bronco nersi actually has the largest ring uh in the NFL all of Fame I think this one is going to give it a second run for the money uh and Coach uh Patrick wz here you go Pat uh i' ask right now that if we have family members we' take really uh real quick actually if you guys could stand as a relay team and I don't necessarily need to be in this picture all right let's go in the order right so we G have a couple pictures let me help I do this I do pictures on the side do me briefly take a picture it's okay to smile in these pictures too all right the is so cute Grand great and once again congratulations gentlemen fantastic job [Applause] uh before I leave uh one other note Dr koganes in front of Dr koganes we started uh Middle School boys baseball uh this year and uh in front of Dr KGAN is a game ball from our very first uh Victory and that go on display uh Dr kogan's office or somewhere in district office but we wanted to go ahead and give that to you and obviously express our thanks uh for allowing us to continue on with the addition of programs and that was a a fantastic program that we ran in the fall so thanks very much thank you great as always we want to thank again our student athletes for all their their work their Excellence families it's because of you that you are here to support them all those late nights those pickups those games endless hours is a family commitment you're there to support your students and it pays off so thank Youk you you coach thank you and thank your wife for all those uh nights as well you get accolades too we also want to thank our boosters tonight they provided a beautiful cake and water for all of our families and um just made it extra special so we want to make sure we thank them so anyway have a great night everybody you deserve it and have happy holiday yeah yeah well you know they leaving but it makes me proud to see at least three or four of those kids was up there was in my youth program when they was five or six years old yeah and to see them progress through the ranks that that says a lot wow I didn't recogniz a couple of them I know a little bit Yeah the boys change and they're men from Little Boys to Men well they couldn't remember what order they were in they were just running so fast it didn't matter I know I know good job and thank you sure I didn't get it in thank you for picking this time frame I think it was you to pick the time frame to have this you know to get it in so it did okay so is that the only thing for you doc okay all right can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved second okay by Jamie second by Alex any questions okay Dr kin is is you okay under superintendence report item one approve special meeting minutes of November 7th 2023 item two approve regular meeting minutes of November 14 2023 item three approve amended student dress code item four approve amended board policy 7:30 under business item one approve Board of Education financial report item two approve a payment of $ 69,99 $49 to CCC holding Inc for work completed at cmany high school um item three approve a payment of 21,300 300 $2,334 18 to RL Soho for work completed at cre Elementry item four approve a payment of $632 each to RL Soho for work completed at CSK on a Personnel item one is to approve the Personnel report which consists of approving certified employment leave of absence educational support staff employment leave of absence reassignment and resignation underneath teaching and learning we would ask you to approve item one um the cre money High School show choir overnight field trip and that concludes that report thank you any further questions or comments I said I wouldn't but I'll I'll comment um just I was talking with Ken earlier but in the financial report I noticed through five months running a a surplus of $2.1 million so thank you everyone for keeping an eye on the revenues and expenses and and uh living within our means so that's great thank you I Echo that thank you Madam Secretary roll call please all right Mr swales hi Mr gigos I Mr alre hi rup isn't I miss s St I Dr Hall I president Brown I motion pass I like a motion to approve number eight Action Report Alpha under the business to approve a resolution authorizing certificate of tax levy and the 2023 tax levy I'll move second can move by secretary second by Nelson questions or comments anything you would like to say on that Ken you don't have to just orders not to okay no I'm joking I just want to make it legal everything's the same so okay we will make our 7 o'clock quick time okay somebody says 635 all right if there if there's no other further questions or comments a roll call please Madam Secretary all right Miss Z stumbris hi Mr swales i r isn't I Mr gyos I Mr alch I Dr Hall I president Brown I motion Carri also under number eight Action Report Alpha number two like a motion to approve a contract in the amount of $9,400 to garix Inc for the abatement of a bestos at the Early Learning Center so moved by second second by Alex any comments questions do I dare to ask any comments on it when will the work will be performed over winter break okay yeah and that was a great bid we won I mean a great price considering there was three other biders and it's over twice the amount of this over twice so good catch there all right no further questions or comment roll call please Mr GEOS I rup is an i Mr swales hi Miss site stus I Mr Al I Dr Hall I president Brown I motion carry continuing on with the agenda item number nine in Old business if not item number 10 new business hearing done we do not have a closed session that leads us to a motion to adjourn so moved second all right we got it move by second by Dr Hall all in favor by saying I of adjournment one vote I I one voice all uh any Nays we are adjourned at the time given
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from all of us here at waca TV Happy Thanksgiving and go clockers I'm Rob silver my partner today on the mic Chase Abrams you uh you booted your dad yeah yeah well he he volunteered is is what we're is the story we're going to go with today but yeah I cannot wait to do this game we got about 12 and 1/2 minutes to kickoff teams are leaving the field now heading back to the locker room some last second preparations for those of you doing math at home you'll notice that the record that Rob mentioned does not actually add up to 100 so this is the 100th year of this game happening but we've only actually had 98 instances so far we missed the year because of a snowstorm I think back in like the the 60s or 70s and then uh that Co season as [Music] well for the land of Thee and our home of [Music] [Applause] the and we are underway here at Ashlin High School chrisen will take the kickoff bounce it to the outside Cuts back towards the middle and wrapped up by two hackington Defenders right around the 24 yd line of the clockers and that is where they'll take over blba and wild cat is going to keep it himself he's got space to work cuts it through the inside of the defense and he's in for a touchdown David oala on Third and long runs through the heart of the hopkington defense and puts points on the board for the clockers first 20 23 y 26 yards and the extra point is good mishandled snap and it's picked up by hopkington and they take it forward for uh three yards but that one I don't this is a quick pitch to Crispen he's fighting for the end zone and he's in touchdown for the senior tail back for the clockers did say 6 to one on it's a sleeper value for Christ nice AAR wol extra point makes the 21 nothing pretty much all their success has come from QB Keepers but they haven't gone back to that play in a while and they also haven't really tried a pass play QB keeper here it's an option play and it's fumbled wow he picks it right back up but immediately hits the deck Nick pedroli let's a special Happy Thanksgiving guys you're live on cable right now streaming on YouTube Happy Thanksgiving guys Happy Thanksgiving you're live on TV right now [Applause] Thanksgiving final High School contest this morning you're part of the half time like we've said so far Again cleanly by Hoppington chis hand off to chrisen he's got some space on the outside moves it back towards the inside spitting across the goal line touchdown Aaron wolf looking to make it four for four on the extra points bangs that one through lot of leg behind behind that extra point first time seeing those numbers goes to chrisen chrisen nice cut to the inside stays on his feet goes to sails boun to the outside shows the speed and he's in for a touchdown David sails the fifth touchdown of the day for the clockers it's another rushing TouchDown for Ashlin and he makes it 34 nothing debri Deon O'Brien MVP of defense today we give
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23 Board of Health meeting um and since I don't have my normal stuff with me um I know the disclaimer is that we're going to talk about everything on the agenda and maybe a few things that aren't on the agenda as permitted by law um and Mark you can still chime in if you if you too so we'll call the meeting to order at 6:03 um Mark just wish everybody a Happy New Year and a Merry Christmas because if you don't say something for Citizens participation I feel like something's missing from the meeting okay Mar 49 hathon Road Ash Mass 01721 ho ho ho with the Santa's good list now um yep R said it and my dad did pass away at the member 3rd and um sorry to hear that yep yeah it was nine years to take care of him on all that but now he's he's up there uh with my mom that was separated by issues for 24 years now that they're together again they're going to have good holiday good Christmas New Year all together and and God and Jesus's birthday is going to be well attended by everybody that's involved so happy holidays okay all right thanks Mark sorry to hear that Mark I I Met Your Dad a few times yeah over at John's house uh he's a good guy that was a while ago but I'm sorry to hear that sorry last yeah yeah you have our sympathies yeah okay so Laura or or Raj just as a you know as a matter of kind of how we do this do we we have to read each specific establishment if we go through let's say the retail food permits or can we pass all of these the retail food permits The Establishment permits can we do everything as a single unit or we need to do them each individually uh Dr R I guess we can do it all together you know so so okay all right that's great anybody want to make that motion and just read through all of okay Ron in the motion you can say it as listed on the agenda okay that's great anybody want to make that motion are excuse me Ron sorry yeah there's a lot well there yeah if we do it all at once then there's yeah for it I can do that all right um without even breaking them up into um different types of permits um which I'm happy just list them all okay so ret then food establishment right yeah so I will uh I'll make the motion to approve the 2024 board of health permits pending receipt of all required documentation what or am I do we need to read the individual ones retail food permit then okay establishment permits just I don't know if we do or not but I I'll do that I'll do that so okay I make the motion to approve the retail food permits food establishment permits Mobile Food residential kitchens tobacco permit holders ashon animal permit holders holler permits and installer permits that's awesome anybody want to second that Dave yes I second that okay awesome all in favor I hi okay all right great and there's another section to this Ron um the grease trap waivers yep go for it so uh yep I'll make the motion to approve the 2024 grease trap waivers okay any second all right terrific all in favor I I all right hi that's awesome that was the best I don't think we ever did that more quickly all right moving on to uh agendum item five Jay you're up okay well um so we as I mentioned in the last meeting we are on for 2024 with the ram clinic at ke Tech once again um on the I think it is the 10th and 11th of uh um August and so we're moving ahead I had a conversation with ram we have a um new volunteer coordinator that's going to work with us this year um and we have the same Clinic coordinator Kim falkenberry and we're g to plan a meeting with them in January kind of a kickoff meeting and prior to that our community host Group which is sort of the the inner circle of the chairs and then um this year Dave will be working with us um we will meet on the 9th just to you know talk about timelines and get a sense of when we want to do certain things like start fundraising and things like that um this year it it just will be a lot easier we know we know what we're doing so um that that's really the update uh that is we've started um planning some meetings and I'm happy to take take any questions that that anybody might have about that yeah I I was just going to ask it must be so much easier than last year but so what's the general um you know kind of like itinerary of the meetings what do you kind of cover first what's the first thing you do so it we have um a number so we've got Hospitality recruitment promotions those are the three uh and um fundraising so those are the four main areas that we cover so everybody just we we've got somebody that owns each one of those okay and um for the community host group each one of us that owns that checks in um so last year we met quite a bit because we were still trying to get a handle on what we were doing and the timing of everything when is the right time to start promoting the event when is the right time to start really um uh drilling down into the budget and things like that but now you know we already have a sense of when all that will be I mean to be honest with you if if we even started fundraising in maybe March I think we'd be fine and promoting you know at that time so we don't really need to I don't think we we have to start meeting um on a uh you know we were meeting once a month um and then another once a month with ram I think that's even a lot right now but just to um I think uh get everybody on the same page it makes sense so uh but that's it I mean that that's an agenda and then it it kind of um uh it takes usually about an hour and we we maintain minutes and RAM reads our minutes and they go through our meetings and they make sure that we're on track and there's some trainings here and there that are that we need to do but um that's it I mean it really is going to be much less effort this time planning wise and I will keep you posted Ron because I know that you want to be involved on the provider side again I'm assuming that's what we talked about I'd love to do that of course yeah so um and and Dave by the way so I as I mentioned we I did talk to the new volunteer coordinator um this uh person's name is Zoe she seems very enthusiastic and has a plan about how she wants to um recruit the professionals I told her about you and that you'd be helping Ed do this so the community host Group which should be us will meet on the 9th and then we'll schedule a meeting with them and then you'll meet Zoe and and you know she she really seems like uh is going to be um dedicated to to our clinic so I think it'll be good well I'm sure excellent looking looking forward to it yeah so Ju Just One Last Thing what what how does the fundraising work where does that and where does that money go and how much do you need so we need we're we're looking to get $330,000 um and it might end up being a little bit less than that if we have enough in kind donations like like last year for example we got um a number of different things that decrease the hospitality budget we got that from Metro West Medical Center and some other places but we start with 30k and that 30,000 covers food any kind of Permitting um the costs of the venue um putting Ram up at Framingham State which is where we're going to do it again their food um you know any other expens is related to running the clinic Labs things like that so it usually comes out to to to about 30,000 bucks where do we get it uh we got it from Mostly from Banks last year and um and then individual donors that made up the rest that that came in um kind of uh I would say by June we had all of our money end of June so I we're going to go after that that those same groups and um this time we'll have numbers we'll have the number of people that we served last year which is 316 patients we'll have the breakdown in terms of all what services each got so I think um the cell will be uh much stronger this time not that it wasn't before but um I I think that they'll appreciate seeing you know what their money will do yeah so which is a lot yeah wow that's great what an undertaking so uh and the experience you gain last year I'm sure it is a lot easier but it's still a lot of work so thank you for you know all the effort of putting this together backtack years it's that's not an easy task time consuming it it it'll be fun and and Raj Raj has been a big help and he will Raj we'll we'll start including you um once we get our bearings and figure out you know when the board has to come in and saying with you Laura I I just think this year again it's going to be we know what we're doing so we really don't need to um you know to really bother you guys yet with anything uh from a town perspective so absolutely okay all right right great and then speaking of Raj agenda uh item six the uh Health director's agenda thank you Dr Ran uh so the regarding the house to landfill you know we we had a visit from D actually three weeks back uh the inspection went well you know everything uh at the house three landfill is good you know regarding the monitoring you know the all the numbers we have with the with all that stuff is good but where we we need to do make some repairs you know uh with the vents you know there's some uh other stuff regarding repairs that's going on uh DP is going to be sending us a letter regarding that the repairs and we was I was actually working on me and LW I was working on the budget we have put some money for those anticipated uh repairs at the landfill that should be coming up you know in the coming months so that's from d Housing cases uh Chestnut Place Apartment still you know cases are still going on uh there are three four open cases we did had a call from from a resident yesterday kind of looked distressed to me uh had some water Le weeks in the unit didn't want me to come out you know right away so I mean there definitely improvements from the last time they was in front of the board but uh still going on you know so guess we was able to close one case was still I guess three still open and one one more Quest We are looking that we're going to come that we we'll be getting you know yeah 137 Pawn Street I I did had a email from Attorney General's office is a couple of days back uh confirming that they will be reaching out to the residents or the occupants you know uh in coming couple of weeks uh about the process moving forward you know uh the Building Commissioner had sent an email for the removal of the vehicles the camper and there was another vehicle found on the property and those letters have come back undelivered you know so and the Building Commissioner is off right now he he did had his uh uh some something medical leave he he's on you know so once he come back we'll follow up on that 21 Main Street uh they we did pick up a housing case uh on on this one of their units uh that didn't had a functional refrigerator for long time U according to the occupant it's like three months so we did follow up with the latter and I had a email from the management stating they'll get fixed today so hopefully I'll be able to confirm that tomorrow that if that uh piece of equipment refrigerator was delivered to the occupant mil Pond no complaints you know we do did get you know pass updated pass control reports uh and I guess they have applied for the permit u i I don't know if there are any different plans you know for for the operational side I guess uh they they'll be continuing to operate in Ashland as of now you know the information we have are they are they empty Raj do they have a census they still have people in that that is correct sir to my understanding yes you know and there was something that they had with the state you know that I guess we mentioned it in the last meeting as well that uh you know they was trying to sell the place and uh the state have some objections or they didn't approve it or something on that nature you know I guess the board was copied on that email you know that uh we got you know okay uh restaurant updates we have three restaurants that going uh to change of ownership Lasco uh D Queen and Bigfoot the owner of Bigfoot was here the new owner yesterday uh did apply for the permit uh we have some standing violations uh from from our Friday inspection and some still some more paperwork that we need to get and once that we'll be granting them permits you know and still pending with lasos and D way uh regarding the flu covid clinic so we had one clinic today uh we doing good numbers you know U I guess this was our 13th Clinic uh so far this season for flu and covid uh Barbara have attended actually couple of them helped out us on that you know so thankful for that uh all these Clinic except one you know that all was with Pine Hill Pharmacy that we did you know and I guess we have given approximately 400 vaccine so far in in in this drive and a childhood vaccine you know I was collecting numbers for the budget I guess we have done over over 780 vaccines so far this year you know starting from Jan 1st in the childhood vaccines and we have one uh childhood vaccine scheduled tomorrow and I am open for any questions now you know that's great on the vaccine front how's the supply of of vaccine is that something that's difficult to get are there shortages in any of them or look on we are not doing covid from our side right the pharmacy is doing it yes there is definitely uh it's kind of short supply right now you know in in the morning when we started the clinic the they had fewer uh doses of both Monna and fiser available in the middle of the clinic uh um the owner of the pharmacy bought in some more doses because we needed it it's just like you know they are not getting that many doses that's that's the demand kind of you know so so in the morning they didn't had enough doses for our clinic but they have to get to us in the middle of the clinic you know regard regarding the childhood wax Clinic you know that's except one or two vac you know I guess we did do nine kind of different vaccines in the childhood vaccine clinic I guess state is pretty good you know uh supplying us with all those vaccines I guess so far with the flu from the state supplied I guess we got 70 doses uh for flu from the state and then we have 30 doses that we uh bought ourself you know the private doses so we're doing good numbers on those yeah that's great that that's a heck of a lot of vaccines and thanks Barbara I know you did that that's awesome thank you for helping out yeah okay Dave anything Jay Barbara no everybody's good okay actually I do have one which is um are the total numbers of vaccinations available on the town web page or or are those can we get those numbers at some point mrman yes you know so L of have asked me a couple of times you know they have to manually count it but now I got it for for the budget purposes you know that our budget was due today uh so I have the numbers we'll be updating on the website shortly but uh uh with the childhood vaccine right uh it's approximately 770 vaccines from genan 1 you know uh and then with other vaccines right we're close to 400 maybe little over 4 400 uh vaccines this year you know that's again from no I'm sorry the the the covid flu vaccines right like that does include uh some rsvs you know tetas shingles also even the pharmacy got some pneumonia today those vaccines are from this season so like you know we started in September so those 4 425 430 vaccines are just for the season not from the whole year you know we did some Clinic last time also like in the beginning of the year so that numbers I don't have but this is from September uh that we have like approximately 4255 vaccines covid flu and the childhood vaccines uh those numbers are from the beginning of the year go thank you thank thank you thanks Raj welcome okay all right moving on to the uh consent agenda anybody like to make a motion to pass those as um written ah what I do sorry might I don't know if I'm on anybody like to make a motion to pass the consent agenda as written sure I will run make a motion to pass the consent agenda as written okay that's great any seconds um I'll second that okay thanks Barbara all in favor I I okay that passes four nothing so that that's great so um I guess we're on for January 2nd and the 16th we'll get back to the usual two a month um so that's good and I'm sure that and I don't know if there's anything anybody you know wants to bring up or discuss but if you do just tell Laura or Raj and I'm sure it'll get on our all our usual things so anyway just be before we before we leave Jay what's going on for Christmas with you we are staying here as usual yeah having a a full house on Christmas Eve which is usually something our in-laws would do but they've since moved out of their house and into an apartment so they can't do it so New Traditions looking forward to it what about you are you are you traveling Philly no I I did that we did that over Thanksgiving so we're just sticking around you know our you know you have to share so we at our kids on H Thanksgiving so both of them will kind of be with their significant others although the older one there might be a chance they're leaving later so we might see them on Christmas Day for a little bit Yeah so it'll be it'll be fun either way yeah Dave how about you you're on mute mute sorry about that uh pretty quiet for us this year no uh no travel um and no guests so um but uh we'll we'll have some fun we've only got one uh let's see we've only got two of these left before Nate goes off to college not like he won't be back for them in the future but you know it changes that I'm sure yeah that that's great we'll enjoy how about you Raj anything special yes sir thank you I am actually traveling you know just couple of trips uh yeah just just in the east coast you know one of my childhood friend is visiting from India you know so I have to bring him places you know so I do have good like good amount of travel this time you know yeah yeah that's that's great well enjoy thank you I appreciate only other thing was Jan second is Right Tuesday right right after the new year you know so yeah hopefully the board members are available right uh or should should we check back with you guys you know like are we all set to go for Jan second I'm fine with that school will be back right so weice be back town okay Dave you good yeah I'm uh I should be around okay y all right and so all right no that's fine so long as we have three that's good barara I get if you can't that's fine no problem should I should be around okay all right terrific thank you how about you what do you up to Bar um usually try not to Trever Christmas we have a tradition U me and the boys just to um repeat like a movie series so we wake up have breakfast and just watch movies back to go I love it I know we've done shows we have we're still trying to figure out which one to watch this year yeah you know you know no Christmas movies um well I watch those the song okay already yeah s Sandy and I watch uh we typically watch at least Scrooge once and it's a wonderful life so we haven't done that yet so we will we will definitely be doing that so that's great Laura how about you uh it'll be quiet yeah just sticking around nothing plans on Christmas Eve do you have to cook uh Christmas Eve Yeah Christmas Eve yeah okay yeah all right well well that's awesome thanks for asking and I hope uh hope everybody has a wonderful holiday including you me too yeah Mark how about you how about me um usually is the uh this is a comes comes to the house and gets the presents and probably do that this year and then we both go over to my brother's place for dinner more exchange of present and then spend the day afternoon and part of night we stay within the town boundaries so we won't get suspicious okay all right well and um how about you Ron enjoy yeah we're just gonna we're just gonna stick around and hang out with the dog and I got a stupid test I have to take so I'm going to be doing I'll do that you know for three or four hours one day and and just try to relax a little bit so it'll be a dog day Christmas afternoon right yeah exactly exactly so all right well um you know everybody have a you know a great holiday season you know the rest of it it's going to be over quick and enjoy with your family and friends that's what all this is all this stuff is all about and you know personally I'm thankful for entire board you know including you know Raj and Lura you know Dave Barbara Jay you know the the chief that you guys are all great to work with you know this I I have the easy this is the easiest thing to do you guys really do all the work and you know it's really nice to have a board that uh you know that that works together and you know um is is functional and hopefully the town can be proud of Jay you know you know especially with with the undertaking that you and you know uh all the other people you had to recruit to help you out with this what a what a beautiful thing for a lot of people you know this is really what the Board of Health is all about you know what you're doing is is going above and beyond that that's beyond the mission statement of of what it says you know you know as far as the uh the statement goes which is just to keep the the residents and visitors to Ashlin you know basically safe and you know to go above and beyond like you are to to have taken that initiative is really a beautiful thing so thank you thanks Ron and it's it's nice to have everybody on the board involved you know everybody here is is involved so that's makes it fun so right well taking the lead is just really uh great thing happy to do it yeah and one last thing for me is the uh the Board of Health as the Board of Health the township sayfe happy holiday these two are or how they keep the uh medical things straight and how they be informed that the town can be informed by the town Itself by the town itself the board rage rage lower border here it's worth the time to be together but but the town needs healthy all together well thank you he and Raj just just one thing um not to discuss it um I had I got an email from Carl hackinson about he said a you know an issue that we and the concom share do you know anything about that is there any particular sir uh he just he just had emailed me and you know get you know I emailed him back and I have his number I just haven't called him I think I'm G to give him a buzz I just didn't know if you were aware that there's any Mutual is there regarding a septic system that on a property I I don't know he did I I haven't called him yet so I just didn't know if you knew anything more than I did but I'll call him and then I'll chat with you there is a something regarding the septic system that we are dealing with on High Street you know it might be that but yes please let me know you know uh that I guess that's the only thing with Kong Kong right now that we are involved you know like that way but like please feel free anytime you know just give me a uh give me a call please or let me know yeah I'm gonna I think I'm going to call him now and see what's going on and then you know I'm surprised though he wouldn't just kind of go straight to you but you know so anyway I'll I'll find out and I'll let you know we'll let the board know okay please yes right and happy holidays you know thank you thank you so much everybody you know thank you yeah to everybody Laura everybody um have safe holidays enjoy your family and make a lot of good memories and we'll see you in a couple of weeks right like to make a motion to adjourn I can make a motion to adjourn all right Dave thank you very much second I'll second yep okay terrific all right all in favor I that's great all right everybody we'll see you soon all right a good one thank you Laura by Barbara bye bye thanks
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29.8 and 5. 29.6 related to the tra Transportation impact analysis requirements and review criteria section 5. 29.8 required plan information and section 5.29 .6 site plans paragraph e criteria for review of a traffic impact analysis to update references simplify language and ensure multimodal emphasis moved by commissioner white seconded by commissioner weatherbe uh we are in discussion would anyone like to kick us off commissioner hamers Schmid thank you um this is minor but before that I would like to say I think you know in absence of a better standard just to address the public comment I think it's it's great that we're um updating this to look at the newer version of the it standard and that it's multimodal and I really like that we're scrubbing out all of these words in the UDC it's a good step towards our un zoning um my minor thing so section one e it says criteria for review of a multimodal traffic impact analysis are do we want to change that traffic to Transportation should that be transportation to make it consistent with calling it a transportation impact analysis everywhere uh I think that's a fine idea um Cynthia nod if you agree okay make that change um when you were talking and I was reading this I was like what's the difference between a multimodal traffic impact analysis and a transportation impact analysis and then I realized they were referring to probably the same thing so in that same vein I'm wondering if section 2E should be called multimodal Transportation impact analysis I'll make a note of that um when this moves forward to city council make that change and I will I'll also do a sort of a search in the whole UDC to check for first at least check for consistent phrase and go from there to see what I based on what I find awesome thank you thank you commissioner Weatherby yeah so uh first of all I just want to say that I think this is a a really good step forward it might be a small step but it is um it's been needed and so it's it's good to have it here uh I did also have one question which is probably outside of this but I just wanted to put it here during this time is um also looking at multimodal impacts during construction because one of the things that I think we're seeing a lot is that is also still based on traffic and that sidewalks get closed and they get closed for month um Main Street there's a near me there's a sidewalk that's just been closed for a months and um it's a very heavily pedestrian pedestrianized space and it just feels like the um the roadway has had more consideration for construction impacts so again that's not necessarily part of this but um I just wanted to throw that out there while we were talking about this is that kind of using the multimodal transit across the board from for all consideration of projects thank you any other Commissioners I can add in my two cents I think it does make sense to me to update at least the 210 standards the 2023 and as commissioner Hammer Schmid said that uh in of something that is better um this is still the right move forward I did have a chance to um uh Mr Leo uh what has been some feedback from some of the civil engineers that regularly um conduct this type of study has any um feedback been given um um I've not received much feedback from the proposed amendment itself um I think that we did go through um and I'll ask Cynthia to weigh in as well I feel we went through a little bit of growing pain several years ago be while we started asking for a multimodal impact study um caught some people a little bit off guard because people who tend to be used to just referring back to our standards and I think there was a lot of questions of what do you mean by this what are the parameters and and then you know insert Transportation jargon here um but I think that LE less now because as the community is getting used to this we have been consistently asking for this um for for a while now um so that I I think the learning curve was just in the the expectations not so much how to perform it but what our expectations were uh Cynthia do you agree disagree um or have anything to add yes thank you I would say that that's a a very accurate reference presentation of what we've heard from the Consulting Community we have been um asking for some of these items for quite some time now because it was consistent with our policies and we knew that questions would come up from decision makers and at this point in time this this new document really does give more structure to the consultants for how to perform of these analyses that they are less familiar with because other jurisdictions have not been asking for that information so I think you know on you know on the overall standpoint of things that this document has been very helpful and made it easier for all of our consultants and for new Consultants to understand the items that we're asking for got it thank you and I think that if we're asking Consultants to consider this standard then it's important for us to codify it and make that expectation clear so uh to me I'm looking at sidewalk gaps Eda access to bus stops and safety performance in our intersections as a result of development is in line with our vision zero plan so um with that being said to me again this this helps to clarify simplify expectations even if it does impose larger I think uh Mr good it indicated that it um imposes some level of expectations of developers that said it's already occurring we're just looking to make sure that it's in writing so that we can point to it together U commissioner Mills thank you and your question in combination with commissioner hamers Schmid's question um has me asking a question back to staff and and I'm not sure I um Miss ringer maybe this is I don't know if there's anything else that H that we ask for for in terms of the traffic or within your purview side that is not codified right now that similarly we have people say like I don't know what the rules are or that I don't see that in your UDC can you think of things like that there's is there anything else I should say that we need that in the traffic world we need to make um bring up to BR bring the UDC up to speed with our practice that's a really good question um and I think I would need to think about that a little bit this is a really good step towards creating a Level Playing Field for everyone who is producing Transportation impact analyses I you know we're transportation and planning staff are always an ongoing com Sation about these things and I think that's definitely something that we can continue to consider great and then since that was specific to traffic I guess this is more for you miss Leo like are there other things right that we ask for we and I'm thinking about this in the context of unzon and like wanting to get a full handle on the things that we're asking of developers to make it clear to them within the UDC but also so that we can figure out like are there opportunities to prioritize to elevate some um again this is this is within that context of unzon so are there and maybe this is you know I don't need to put you on the spot but like if there are other things that should be on our radar of something that that we've been asking of Developers for a number of years that haven't made it to the UDC those I would think would be something that we ought to I I would think we ought to encourage putting that down on paper I think that what you're getting at is precisely our next level next phase because the piece that we are missing is um more concrete guidance or regulations or standards um about what we do with the information that is within a transportation um study um this these things are going a long way to um standardizing codifying it set the Level Playing Field about what what you should study but the next step as we mentioned would be then what do we do this with this information and that's a more of a pol that that involves a policy discussion um because um and then we can then we can approach how to prioritize projects that are maybe improving um I'm sorry the words are escaping me but like improving the um our bike Network or or improving working toward our vision zero goals maybe reducing fatalities making intersection safer there's a lot of um there's a lot of components and so we these are helping get the inform get the information that we need the next phase would be sitting down and having a um a discussion with a an an engagement about what to do and how to prioritize and how to rank that information that we get yeah um I and I would add in or this is my two cents worth on that that if we're not using the information that we get if there's not a like so what do we do with this then that's an opportunity for us to cut things to the point of like every study cost money right so I let me rephrase my question to be a little bit um um more less on the policy side and more on the are we asking of other other kinds of studies for other kinds of things that we haven't codified because I think that this would again allow us to see what are all of the things that we're asking for when petitioners come before us like all of the different kinds of studies um and if there are similar gaps there that we might need that we might want to think about yeah I'm I'm understanding um and I think that yeah we can work on that we can work on that um right now we have a um Cynthia might be able to help if it's a high or low threshold but we have certain thresholds it's the 50 trips in the peak hour um changing that may um um changing that would then reduce this reduce the burden or increase the burden on what kinds of projects maybe we are and and then maybe our trigger points are not quite the right wow I'm really not doing a great job this evening but what I'm trying to say is um we didn't tackle that part but yes it could be a conversation as well to what kinds of projects the scale of projects do is 50 trips in the peak hour the right number we didn't tackle that with this um if we make that number higher we'll get less projects that require a traffic impant study but maybe that does help overall the the the development review process and maybe overall it's uh maybe it shouldn't be trips in the peak hour if maybe it or we could give exemptions for projects that have a super low percentage of parking parking provided or no parking so on and so forth and outside of the traffic area or transportation area I should say we're we don't run into things in other Realms where the developer says I didn't know I needed to do that study or I didn't know I needed to submit that because it's not in it's not in the UDC that's that's actually what it okay part of what I was trying to get at too got um I don't I don't think that we run into that um too much okay would you since you can just nod do you agree don't agree she's nodding I'm Sor she's agreeing yeah I think that if um think that anything else I mean and even from from our perspective our threshold is pretty consistent with standard industry practice um we do get some push back from um sometimes folks when they take trip generation and they distribute out by our modal distribution that we have in town they want to not produce Transportation impact analyses because they're focused on the number of vehicular trips that a project is um developing but I I don't necessarily think that's a a total lack of understanding um I think that's just making sure that our preferences are understood thanks um this this is for my edification um like for example the Michigan building coder Michigan energy code will get updated every three years um how frequently does this uh it standards uh because we're we're jumping from 2010 to 2023 and so just for um I guess what I'm thinking is once it's published it's published right we don't have any inadvertent references they go and revise it and issue a 2020 revision that um suddenly subjects to standards that we didn't expect ourselves to tether to so what's the frequency of updates and again this is just for my edification I I don't know the answer to that and maybe Miss Runner or Miss Leo you know on average it's been about every 10 years that the update is has happened and usually an update occurs when there's a a a shift in industry practices so this this update to this recommended practice really reflects the fact that more communities are asking developers and Consultants to provide this information as part of their transportation impact analyses so the it recommended practice has been updated to really reflect what communities are asking for gotcha thank you every decade um all right any other Commissioners seeing none I think and this is procedurally speaking this is uh a recommendation for City council's adoption of the UDC change is that correct yes and I meant to mention the stirring roll call but um because there are six of you this evening um any action so you did vote to update your bylaws to require five votes however that has yet to be um approved by Council and so for tonight and until that happens you still need six affirmative six votes to advance any item affirmatively uh to council and to approve any item and that will also be the case for this item understood thank you um we'll move on to roll call [Applause] vote on the motion as presented chair Lee Yes commissioner W yes commissioner hamers Schmid yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes and commissioner Weatherby yes that item carries thank you we are now moving on to agenda number 9A regular business this is 333 East Williams Street site plan site plan for City Planning Commission approval a 16-story 2002 dwelling unit residential building with four surface parking spaces ass access from East Williams Street the zoning destination is D1 downtown core and the Liberty division character overlay district and secondary Street Frontage designation the total square footage of floor area is 23,123 Ft the staff recommendation is approval and I believe we have some petitioners here for their presentation welcome uh we do this evening we will have Andrew seavoy joining us um by Zoom I see that he's just been able to join as a panelist um and we also have others who may uh who may assist in the presentation uh and we also have on half uh on staff planner Chang um for staff comments you have 10 minutes to present to the commission Mr all right share my screen here all right can everybody see this yes we can okay um well um good evening everybody my name is Andy seavoy I'm presenting on behalf of cor spaces team 43 North Milwaukee Chicago Illinois uh we are the applicant for this item tonight I apologize for not being able to be there in person I'm abroad right now but I do have a few members of my team in the room I have Joe gotd and Alysa Galina from core spaces um sitting in front of you I have ashini denoi who is our architect and Luke Bonner who has been assisting with the um approvals process I also have Scott betel who's our civil engineer on the line uh virtually uh to answer questions that may come up um a little bit about core spaces uh so we are a national developer and owner and manager of kind of student oriented buildings we've been in business for about 14 years and in that time we have developed or acquired about 30,000 beds uh across the country and so the map you're looking at here shows everywhere we where we have developed we are typically an owner operator and a long-term holder so every dot that's in red we still own and operate um we did sell a portfolio that's shown in Blue uh but the ongoing strategy going forward is to be more of a long-term holder and manager of our assets we have a lot of experience in the midwest uh just to uh show you kind of the scale and quality of the projects we develop uh one of these projects is the Hub on campus on Hon which is kind of shown and the middle row at the right side of the screen uh and we've worked on other sites in the past in an arbor and also have a few more in the hopper so you will be seeing me uh hopefully several more times this year uh for other projects um the site I'm here to talk to you about today is 333 East William that is the an arbor Credit Union it is bounded on the south by William um the north by Library Lane uh the an Arbor Public Library is to the west and then to the east we have uh the rear lot lines of residential structures that face Division Street um in the William Street View um top right you can see there's a relatively new bike lane that goes along William in front of the is currently broken up by two curb Cuts uh that lead into the credit union parking lot and then the Library Lane view uh which is the rear of the site the north side of the site uh you can see some meter parking and kind of some um just kind of the character of that sidewalk that we would be AB buding to on the north side of the project and so the proposed development is this um it's a 16 story building it's 202 units almost 650 people would live here um there are only four four on-site parking spaces for um for staff and uh we have been coting with the DDA to Res to who would like parking uh to the DDA and they could they could store their cars in the adjacent Library Lane underground parking deck um we have programmed all of the ground floor uses to be active uses except for the west side which is our service kind of alley um and we're also proposing kind of a well-lit mid block Crossing um from William to Library Lane as part of this project um if all goes as planned we would start construction kind of at the end of Q2 this year and then deliver about two years later in June of 26 and I'm just going to say this now so I don't um run out of time uh we are seeking approval subject to the new UDC language that was recently approved um where F premiums were removed um as we were going through the process of Staff review um particularly the affordable premium um became kind of an issue as the financial markets you know interest rates increased and the financial markets adjusted to that and this new removal um basically solidifies the viability of this deal and another thing I need to say is you know there are six of you so I I do need a clean sweep tonight so if at the end of this presentation any of you are feeling uncomfortable or have concerns that have not been addressed I would implore you to consider uh postponement rather than a Flatout denial because if I get one nay vote that is a denial and a postponement is a much more salvageable scenario for us I'll start with the offsite improvements there are three of note the first is a new crosswalk uh across fifth a just south of Library Lane that would be paid for as part of the project the second is um removing some of the metered parking along Library Lane to provide for a new uh fire lane and that was requested by the Anar fire department the third off-site Improvement is uh all new amenity Zone um pavers uh and Street Furniture as spec by the DDA and uh we'll also be closing up one of the two curb Cuts uh that currently go into the site so only one will remain uh the other one will go away so that provides a better continuous um bike lane there and pedestrian experience the these are the ground floor plans or the right is kind of a mezzanine level and you can see we have uh programmed the South part of the site which is on the bottom of the page to be our main lobby that flanks Williams Street um and then the East and North which flank Library Lane and the rear lot line of the adjacent residential structure rures uh those yellow units are town home units that would actually exit right onto um grade um and so in that left image we have a trash staging area we've coordinated with um solid ways to ensure that this works for them that they can actually get a trash truck in um tip what they need to tip and then do a hammerhead turn and exit the site facing forward so they don't have to back up into William at all uh and then also we're proposing this midblock pedestrian connection that serves as an entryway to some of the Town Homes but also would be a public connection between Library Lane and William this is what that would look like just the general character of it and so the view here is from Library Lane looking down towards William we're proposing um new fencing along the property line that would have integrated lighting so this space would be well lit at night and safe and then FR flanked with all active uses so the diagram at the bottom shows you know between Library Lane and William you have our leasing office that looks out onto this and then you have four Town Homes looking out onto this um through block connection this uh shows the uh typical floor all the way to the left so our typical units they started from micros we have Studios two bedrooms three bedrooms and four bedrooms uh on the typical floor the middle image shows the top floor um top floors and so we have some kind of duplex style town home units up there as well as an amenity room with an exterior amenity deck and uh that is shown in detail in the image to the right where we have the the pool shown there and kind of how we fleshed out that design um as far as materiality goes the idea was to stick with these kind of solid uh Civic materiality components towards the base of the building and then uh as we move up uh this turns into this more dynamic grided system so you have these kind of undulating glass and solid panels that create some movement above and kind of a start contrast to the bottom two floors of the building which are the these brick this brick element with these kind of regular openings and so we have you know brick uh certain stone accents some faux wood and then these grided elements are a metal panel system with Windows there is some e just wanted to let you know you have a minute and a half remaining okay thank you uh so uh there is some Eis proposed but only in the middle of the building where you can't see from the public way uh these are the elevations kind of showing you how that works in elevation so you have the base the grid element and then the top which is actually set back so you can't really see it from the street this is a north and west elevation this is also going to uh pursue lead gold uh and so we have several strategies here we can answer questions on that because I'm running out of time um this is how that entry would look this is kind of a far out view of the building and then the benefits um increase housing stock sustainable construction increased tax Bas we're creating jobs uh a lot of uh investment in public infrastructure and so uh a lot of reasons to vote for this and so you know I would ask that we get approved subject to the new rules um without the F premiums uh and I would just want to kind of reinforce that as I turn it over to you guys for questions uh M Kelly actually one of the cool things I think I can do is to give the petitioner a little more time to go back to that slide regarding benefits so if you could take two three more minutes to actually go back talk about the project benefits talk to us about environmental sustainability so um absolutely yeah that's I think that's the only Power I have sure so uh we would propose to pursue a lead go building this is actually an all electric building um and so we are working on a preliminary scorecard that shows that that is uh very achievable for this building um a few of the kind of sustainable uh elements of this building is that we are very walkable location we have limited amount of parking we're making use of the deck that already exists there um we are reducing the heat island effect by using pavers and um and uh other kind of elements that um Landscaping elements that help to reduce uh the heat island effect on the roof um all energy star rated fixtures to try to reduce Indoor Water use uh and we're designing the project to perform better than uh than the ashray standards um we'll spec all low emitting materials and so we're going through that process now and we feel like we can commit to that lead gold um standard and then as far as the uh overall project benefits um we we are you know proposing uh a project that is sustainable as I just said uh it would increase the real estate tax base quite a bit um create roughly 250 construction jobs and 10 permanent jobs for our staff members that would be uh hired to to run this building um we would remove the curb cut that is currently breaking up that bike lane so we're basically extending the the usable section of the bike lane uh we're providing a new crosswalk at Fifth Avenue and then we are providing that midblock pedestrian connection that would actually have a public use easement down it so that uh the public could could use that thank you Mr seavoy um we'll move on to staff presentation Mr Chang okay I think Mr seavoy did an excellent job of covering a lot of the topics I will probably just add on to you do have a draft development agreement um it was included with this packet uh as he was saying there is a public access easement to connect Library Lane to East William there's also a Parks contribution for downtown Parks I want to say it's around $125,000 but it is in the draft development agreement for the exact amount uh We've also uh got confirmation on lead gold that was part of the development agreement and there's also a DDA contribution for removal of those five parking meters we're still working out the numbers on that but once we figure out that amount that'll also be added to the draft development agreement that will head to city council for approval um the was one Landmark Tree on the west side of the site that I'm sorry the east side of the site that is being proposed to be saved but they've added four mitigation trees on the site I think three down at the southeast and one to the Northeast part of the the site and may be scrolling through right now to take a look at it um let's see this also was reviewed by the design review board back in April and overall uh they looked at this proposal favorably um the materials the height uh I I I think the bulk was all looked at favorably so that's they haven't made too many changes from when it was seen by the drb there are four parking spaces proposed as was mentioned one will be at least EV installed and the other three will be capable um and I think that kind of covers everything but I am open to any questions you may have thank you with that we are going to public comment this is an opportunity for persons to speak up to 3 minutes about this item we'll first call on individuals present to address the commission then remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star 9 if listening by phone or use the raised hand feature if viewing through the web link for phone access please call 877 85352 47 and enter meeting ID 9776 6341 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised our hands using the last three gits of the phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement uh letting you know that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area mute any background noise so that we can hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name and address at the beginning of the comments is there anyone present that would like to speak to the commission at this time please good evening uh my name is Ronald nson you can raise the podium oh yeah I think you can raise the pod if you'd like should you don't have to lean yeah yeah you got it all right we'll wait it's yeah cool that's fine I'm used to it the M glyphs too I mean you could pick it up by okay all right let's try this again um good evening uh my name is Ronald Nelson I work at inter Cooperative Council 337 East Williams Street the general manager is on a plane back so I get to speak uh for the organization uh just some considerations we were on the April 10th meeting we did observe it so their plans I understand plans have already been going forward uh but we did ask the general manager did have some considerations uh one is the pool is on the 15th floor we cannot tell from the plans if it is indoor or outdoor if it is outdoor is what is the material for the fence that will keep objects from going from the 15th floor over uh I have worked at a pool at in the past while some people might say that doesn't happen even with the fence it happens with the area that surrounds the pool uh the general manager did have a question about even though it is late in the process um the pool actually being on the west side my question is specifically if the pool is outdoors what is the type of barrier that surrounds the pool uh the second question is the walkway from Williams Street to the lot I did see in this presentation that there is a fence uh my question would be does the fence go all the way from Williams Street back to Library Lane uh what is the height of the fence and what is the material of the fence because there will be in we know from personal experience that a lot of people do walk the parking lot from William Street back to Library Lane this will probably increase we would like a little bit of privacy I can't speak for the other houses behind us and with the tow houses uh if I understood it correctly tow houses being on the first floor that will be added traffic uh so just that um just looking for answers about that those are the two or three considerations uh thank you thank you are there other speakers that would like to address the commission at this time thank you Mr chair Ken Garber 28 have your home court again um I was glad to hear from Mr seavoy that this will be an all electric building um however uh I couldn't find anything in the draft development agree agement about this which worries me um I hope this can be clarified tonight um you'll recall that with the Brierwood project that um you looked at a couple months ago this became an issue the Simon group um did want to include their all electric project which was 354 Apartments uh Sporting Goods store and a grocery uh in the development agreement but could not secure Assurance from DTE that the capacity would be there now this was clarified at city council earlier this month when council member dish did say that that electrification of the briwood project would actually be added to the development agreement um so my question is um why isn't it in the draft um is there some question about this and um I strongly suggest that if there is if there isn't a firm commitment in the development agreement for all electric project that you do postpone uh until such time is um you know this can be verified um because this you're the final word on it you're on this project um the current language requiring documentation of lead gold certification as part of the building permit application does not way cover this um and finally in an October 17th memo OSI asked the petitioner for documentation on two things one battery storage and two any of the following passive house certification living building living building challenge certification or lead zero in each lead category carbon energy water and waste um two months later uh on October 13th OSI was still waiting for response before signaling uh an approval recommendation so yeah that's my other question what gives on that um so um I'll leave it at that and thank you for considering my concerns thank you Mr Garber are there other folks that would like to speak uh that are present in the commission at this time give it few more seconds seeing no one I'm going to close and are there folks that would like to speak remotely for the there is one hand raised Mr chair actually uh two now our first caller is Samuel Hayes you have permission to address the commission for three minutes uh thank you very much for your time tonight commission um I'm here for the main public thing but I will comment on this specific development I was browsing around online a bit as the gentleman Mr Sao was making his excellent presentation and I see that the Hub an arbor starts at $18.99 per person for a two-bedroom so um I know the planning commissione the planning committee here commission my apologies um isn't in charge of all the city's issues but I think as elected Andor appointed um officials you all should work towards the better goal of maybe getting people housed appropriately and I'm not sure if almost $2,000 ahead um for rent is probably where you want to start driving rent prices towards and perhaps you want to discuss with the developer if their next installation is going to be just as expensive as this one um I know I live in iilani but I used to live in an arbor and I do work in Ann Arbor and I'm actually a union person at Wasa County and I have a lot of people who cannot afford to live in an arbor because a lot of the rental opportunities in Ann Arbor and its outskirts are trying to find some type of competition with developers that you approve such as Mr uh seavoy and his compatriots that he represents and I would really encourage the planning committee to now and in the future to possibly um just take that into consideration um in-game capitalism is a thing we're going through a lot of hyperinflation more and more people are getting pushed out of the City to where only the people that can quotee unquote afford it can be here and then at the same time you also have a homeless issue because things get more expensive and Ipsy they can't live out there so they come back here and circle back around to becoming your issue again not your specific issue but I think we need to grab the dragon by all parts of its body here its foot its tail its mouth its ear everything and try to deal with these things in in a a responsible and appropriate manner um I also heard the two gentlemen who went before me and the people they represent and I think those are some very very very valid concerns um I've been keeping up with some of the developer pitches going on around here in the city and I think um I think some of our officials might be getting sold a type of Golden Goose that just um lays regular eggs and in the meanwhile as I said before um a lot of us are just paying the cost of such so thank you so much for making your available to the public in this manner I know it cannot be easy to do the work that you do do and be scrutinized for it as well and keep up the good work everyone thank you so much goodbye thank you Mr Hayes our next caller is Brandon dimcheff you have permission to address the Planning Commission uh hello um I uh my name is Brandon dmcha I live fourth W um I uh while I wish that there was a COR spaces building on the parking lot that is next door to this um I am glad to see uh something being built in this area um after sort of a long uh stagnation um I I know this isn't really a Q&A session but like it's my understanding that this is a birate project um under under the current zoning and so uh the fact that it's all electric is not even as far as I understand we can't even require that it's just something that the developers decided to do um and this is basically a a ministerial approval sort of um operation here so um I guess I will say that I appreciate that it is going to be all electric uh even if it's not um you know written to a development agreement that we can enforce since um as far as I know we have no leverage over that um I I appreciate and I will take them at their word um uh and also um I would just like to say um thanks for your um comments about uh how the changes in the premiums have affected financing for these projects I think some of us suspected that the um the previous premium regime had killed a few projects because it was too too complicated and onerous to to make projects pencil out and so it's good to know that fixing them has uh yielded a viable project that otherwise um uh was unable to get financing so um thanks for that uh that's it thank you thank you Mr timu M Kelly any other speakers yes there is one other speaker Alex low you have permission to address the Planning Commission hi Planning Commission uh happy holidays um just uh just wanted to uh to uh say that uh that I think the um uh the developer missed out uh on one particular public benefit that uh uh that at least by uh by my view the uh these buildings uh uh already or this change uh will provide and that is an aesthetic Improvement to uh uh to uh to that block I think the uh uh the uh uh current uh plan looks way better uh than what's on there currently um I do kind of wish that the uh that this building uh were taller it is uh that going to be built less than 600 F feet uh uh from to Plaza and uh it's you Tower Plaza is I believe 26 floors uh so uh this is going to be uh uh sort of metaphorically living uh living in Shadow uh like I'd like to see some more height but uh you know it's uh given our uh recent history in Anor of Barely getting anything I think this is a great start thank you so much thank you Mr low any other speakers there is one other late hand raise which is Adam Goodman you have permission to address the commission hi Adam Goodman again um so just kind of thinking about the comment that Mr low just made um I read the staff report for this and it looks like the building does come pretty close to maxing out the allowable height for this particular D1 overlay however um the co the UDC also has a provision that can grant a 30% height bonus if there is a sustainability component to the project and that's defined as when and where a solar collector surface covers at least 60% of the building's footprint area and the electrical panels of the building have capacity to solely power the site by electricity um obviously if the building is going to be all electric the second half of that uh Clause is already satisfied um so I guess the only question would be whether it's possible to install solar at at that scale um you know an arbor is facing a a housing crisis as as we sort of heard tonight and we need more housing at all you know all income levels including market rate um I'd love to see us get every last unit out of this site that we possibly could um so I wonder if the developer considered that um other than that it looks like a great project uh I'll just say as a frequent user of the William Street bway one fewer C cut is you know not to be understated as a benefit so um yeah that that's it thank you thank you Mr Goodman do we have any other callers there are no other hands raised okay with that I will just one more second with that I'll close public comment thank you um I'm going to read the proposed motion the Ann Arbor City Planning Commission approves the 333 East William Street site plan and recommends approval of the development agreement in compliance with ordinance 23-32 which adjusted downtown premiums and takes effect December 24th 2023 moved by commissioner Weatherby seconded by commissioner Mills we are in discussion commissioner W oh kick us off uh so first of all uh to staff Mr Jen uh this is by right that's correct with the ordinance amendments okay great so just want to um make sure that this isn't going to city council this is staying here the site plan is the development devel agreement move on to city council for review and approval okay great uh so then uh to the development team uh a couple things so one thank you uh so much for bringing this development to us uh transforming this what one Story Bank into a 16 story residential unit and bringing uh almost 600 uh folks into this area so appreciate that thanks also for not including um a lot of parking because usually that's the first thing that I ask is why so much parking so I'll ask it anyway why four spaces and not zero spaces for parking we'll start with a soft one so honestly this this project was Des designed back when F was a concept now that f is being removed um it's not so much of a concept anymore but at the time uh we ran out of f to be frank with you and and therefore the we we programmed four parking spaces right there at the bottom uh we thought it would be good operationally to have uh just parking spaces for staff um and so that was really the reason why okay thank you uh thanks for exceeding the uh required bike parking but I do want to make recommendation for you to consider uh traditionally you use these inverted u-shaped uh bike loops and I would recommend that you use a post and ring bike design um Boston has a bike design guide where you can look at it it meets all of the criteria for the city's uh code it's durable it allows for ucks on the wheels but one of the things that it does that the inverted you does not do is it allows for the Locking of multiple bike types so as opposed to just traditional ones so you can get your cargo bikes in there you can get your recumbent bikes in there and so and it doesn't take up as much space so you might actually be able to achieve a little bit more bike parking um I think the other thing were just some of the questions that came uh from public comment so I wanted to give you an opportunity and I'll just start it off and then if other Commissioners wanted to pick up some of the other questions one does the fence go all the way from Williams to Library Lane it will okay and then uh the other one and this was just a consideration um will is there access to your building at that fence line between uh Williams and Library Lane there will be access directly to town homes from from that uh pedestrian but not to the other res not not to the lobby or the first floor area uh there will be a a kind of a secondary fire egress point from the leasing office out onto that uh that is not anticipated to be used um uh unless uh there's an emergency okay um and then on the lighting I saw that you wanted to make sure that that was well lit and I just want to encourage that as well that there wouldn't be sort of um blind spots along that fence line uh between the the building just just for pedestrian safety and uh people traveling cuz they're going to use the space as uh one of your neighbors uh indicated so uh anything you can do to make sure that that's lit all the way through and then um I was going to ask about the uh all electric in the developer agreement but because this is by right that we wouldn't be able to require that is that correct Mr Chen may not be required but they have committed to it and we can add a standard paragraph to the development agreement before it goes on to city council so I we can look up some standard language all are minable to it it'll it'll certainly uh go a long way um for us and then uh the pool so is it indoor is it outdoor and how do you handle objects that might be thrown from the 15th floor so it is an outdoor pool it would be open from April to October um roughly from Dust to Dawn every day uh there would be a 6 tall glass railing surrounding it and the renderings it's set back enough that you can't see it uh in in the elevations you can you should be able to see that 6ft tall glass railing that actually encloses the entire kind of rooftop Terrace area um we also have uh cameras up there um and kind of uh disciplinary language in our Le to discourage that kind of behavior uh given that there's no Sports Court up there or anything um something being thrown off the roof would be an intentional act and not an accident and so we do have language in our lease allowing us to basically find residents and with parental notification and then after uh several incidents they they eventually get uh evicted so we do have uh um Clauses in the lease that allow us to deal with behavior like that that is just dangerous and um um inconsiderate to Neighbors thank you thank you any other Commissioners commissioner Weatherby all right so I have just some kind of combination of comments and questions um first I I really like the uh townhouse coming out to the first floor that uh building has been built in my neighborhood with that and it's a really nice way of making a a tall building still connect to the neighborhood and and having the sort of older style connection to the neighborhood in um and not just kind of a people who live up in the sky versus the people who live on the street and it's it's a nice I I really like it it works well in our neighborhood I think it's going to work well here um I also like the mid block Crossing I think that's a really good good thing and it really helps uh for a lot of people who are going through that area I did have some questions so I think a lot of they're kind of all part of so what is facing William Street um and I know you'll notice as uh that some people call it Williams and some people call it William and that's that's a longstanding an arbor tradition of not actually knowing what that street is named um but uh what is facing William because that is still the the front correct that's correct okay and so that would all be um leasing office and amenity space so all active use our main entrance is relatively in the center of the building to the right would be the main leasing office suite to the left is what we call our Annex it's about 2600 Square ft of study area um and we have different kind of study um Furniture um Arrangements uh ranging from kind of a cafe type feel to a more kind of enclosed uh like conference room style of of study room okay um thank you that's great uh I walk by a lot of those style buildings and um it's it's nice it makes for a good feel on the sidewalk but that brings up a question for me and I don't know if this is something that that's more of a city related issue um drop off in delivery uh how how are you looking because drop off and delivery will always happen at the door where people go in and out um and that looks to be on the Williams side and I think that's the appropriate place for it but how are you looking at drop off and delivery because with the bike Lane right there what keeps that bike lane open other than hopes and prayers well as part of um removing the meter spaces along Library Lane uh for fire access we're actually um proposing to make that 10-minute parking so drop offs and deliveries can actually occur from the north and there's a back door for that so um we're proposing to kind of you know train our staff and and um residents to to use that um exit Point as uh a place for drop off and delivery that would keep traffic out of the bike lane because we didn't want to kind of inundate that bike lane with Ubers and Amazon trucks okay and will that back door have sort of a a nice space or is it just going to be like what I've noticed is if there is a back door like that if it is just sort of the a stairwell that goes into kind of a darkened area um people are not going to use it they're going to use the front door and deliveries are going to use the front door so is is there going to be like a a space that's something other than just a full metal door sort of area you know go ahead it would be a glass door with overhead lighting um certainly a secondary entrance for sure there's no glossing over that fact but not a solid door um we want it to be obvious we're treating that as a second front of the building because that is a street and so we would have no solid doors along that Frontage okay okay and and I think maybe um this might be something for the city to also look at of sort of baller actual Ballard somewhere along that bike line so that cars can't park there I don't know how between the fire department and uh you know being able to access the the space and how that all works but I just think that's going to be a really tricky space there um I would say there is currently some kind of barrier proposed there Scott betel who is our civil can kind of uh May chime in on the particular type of barrier I believe it's the plastic type that would discourage cars from um pulling into that bike lanane but in the event of a fire a fire truck would need to pull in there and so for that reason I believe it was some kind of um uh plastic barrier yeah okay I'll I have just promoted Mr betel he was he's a virtual attendee so if you would like that response sure Mr bold I kind of threw that to him without warning him so right I get transferred good evening this is Scott betel I'm from Midwestern Consulting I'm sorry as I get transferred as a panelist I lost a few seconds of the conversation I think you were asking about the the barricades between in the bike Lanes or is it something else between the traffic and the bike Lanes to discourage cars from pulling into the bike lane to use that as a temporary drop off Yes actually th those barricades were taken directly from uh recommendations from the DDA Representatives um I I can't quote the Mak and model but it's currently the ones that they're using on State Street uh the newer portion of State Street that was just converted they're they're the white model that you see at the Northern end of State Street just before Park just before Packard excuse me okay they're on page 12 of the site plan okay thank you thank you uh commissioner Mills I'll follow up on that because these are exactly the questions that I have I'm really excited I'm a regular cycler on cyclist that's the right word sorry um on well what my family calls the bicycle Highway which is lovely um and having one fewer curb cut there will be great one of the questions that I had um was about drop off and um I was looking at the site plan to see kind of what was happening if the if the places where your four parking spots are will end up being the place where the Ubers pull in but it seems unlike I don't know I um I'm curious to this about where is the mail room here I'm not seeing that marked because I actually think it's more the delivery stuff that may be problematic and I just yeah so where's the mail room so um there was a diagram that I presented that showed the trash route for the the Hammerhead turnaround where the trash truck would actually back up into the building yeah that's actually a loading dock so the mail and the buildings deliveries uh could be dropped off there right inside that door would be the mail room on one side and the Bike Room on the other side so um people with bikes or with the loading packages uh would be relatively easy from a programmatic standpoint um we're talking about Uber Eats and Uber that's that's really what we're um contemplating for that north side of the building but the actual buildings deliveries and drop offs would be through the loading dock which is off of that alley to the uh West Side so that's where Amazon and FedEx and well I mean it's not FedEx but UPS post office can I share a screen yes I was just just uh just came here to say that okay I think I'm following along with the site plan but yeah looking had to close it for the public comment but we can go back to that okay so I think you can see this so uh this is the um ground floor plan um and so you can see um that Hammerhead turnaround marked in the purple Arrow there that's actually a loading dock whenever trash is not being taken out um that could be used as a loading dock um for the building's deliveries you see the Bike Room right up against um the edge of that loading dock and then U male is actually the gray Square that's directly underneath that l town home the southernmost town home um that package room so you could actually actually receive uh mail from the drop off area and load that package room um directly from the loading dock area is the only it looks to me I mean like the door is only exterior for the mail room is that true um that should not be and if it is then this is an earlier version because there okay uh I believe that there is a mail room there ashini can you uh confirm I just want to be as accurate as possible as to where that mail room is and the sh is into the [Music] audience yeah hi uh this is ashini I there's a mail room right like when you like Andy was pointing out when the drop off happens uh you can see that yellow sort of corridor through that you could access and then the mail room would be just below that the mail and package room okay she just that make sense no where is it in relationship to the elevators that are right there in the middle uh it's just uh to the right side of the elevators okay so it's shown in here so it was where he was pointing oh oh that's marked as mechanical or is it the one that's ECC well it's not the the layout is not shown yet it's actually an um interior layout yeah I got it so it will be it right here it's just shown as an exterior access door but there it will be from the inside cor that's correct y okay and similarly actually this is helpful that we're talking about this I was curious how bikes are getting to the bike storage because I appreciate where it is I appreciate that it's ground floor I was surprised that there's not an external door to make it easier rather than going through the corridor right there is also you can see that axis that Andy was talking about as the secondary or the secondary main door from the from from the Library Lane yeah so there is that external access there yeah so you could just come down and get to the bike from that side yeah I mean the reality is I think that more people are going to be taken to the bicycle highway just the way that it works so they're going to be coming more likely from Williams so as things finalize just thinking about whether there's a way to give them access from where you you got the cars parked yeah we that's something we can do definitely actually and and that led to my other question which is how House's bike parking working at the Hub do you know that was the one that you showed right that's yours right so we sold that in 2019 so okay so you don't know how that's working cuz that's one of the things like I we want I want to make sure that if we're providing it's amazing to have the infrastructure but it needs to be used we want it to be used you want it to used too right so um I'm just curious about that experience um so if packages if if some of the vehicles that tend to stay around for a while are parked and they and they come in that curb cut um I think that's not a bad solution I mean I would rather have that than double parked out on the street or certainly in the bike lane and the idea that you can turn around there I think is really helpful one of the things things that caught my eye I I'm in favor of building up to the lot line but there is a lot of foot traffic and a lot of bicycle traffic and this is only 5 foot setbacks so I'm really glad that first of all people aren't going to be backing out but having that five foot there 5T there I think is going to be real helpful um just to be able to see pedestrians and and and the other reason that if it there's any possibility of having external access to that bike room is that if there are bikes going in there it's going to slow any traffic that decides to use that down um hopefully so um I I appreciate also lower you know not having as much parking vehicular parking I think that's great I'm curious if um while you've got the slides up you showed some um there's a question about what is the fence along the Eastern property line and is the picture indicative of kind of the what you're imagining uh that is correct aseni can you clarify is it wood or metal I thought it was a metal slat system but I'm not 100% sure yeah it's a it's a metal system it's a Forwood just wood finish but it's going to be a metal system right and so the intent there it's a 6' tall fence we did want to create um privacy for the adjacent neighbors um and so by having this slatting we can still we didn't want a solid fence but we could still get um a lot of opacity that way and we didn't want to pollute our the adjacent properties with our light as well so that's another reason why we chose that okay um thank you for clarifying that uh I got my questions on another thing um I also if if you we talked about this at the last if you're amenable with inclusion of of all electric in the development agreement that I think would go a long way um so as I was making my notes was that asked of the petitioner specifically are you I mean I asked it but it's a byright development so they could choose not to do it right and I guess that's just a question for you is that something that you're interested in I'm amable to it I would prefer to have some kind of language that says that if DTE just can't serve us then you could then then that could somehow be reconsidered uh but we've had about six meetings with them they think they can serve us and the building is 90% designed right now as all electric so it would be a massive undertaking to go back and redesign it with a gas connection at this point got it thank you also I just want to note um because you're not taking the additional well there's number of things but I really appreciate that the development agreement does include lead gold and I was actually a little bit confused by um by osi's staff report about minimal lead because lead gold is the second highest I know it's not in the it's not the it's not the zero it's not the specifically about carbon but um I I don't profess to be a lead expert but I really appreciate that that's not required um um that I think we're all my questions I I think that this will be a great addition I um actually before I hand it over I'm really curious about what's possible um now under the change to to um our downtown district or to to the premiums um that you're thinking about in the other developments that that you were talking about I mean you mentioned for us right now that you know not worrying about F might have meant maybe fewer parking spots um is there anything else that from a development perspective um there's that you would like planning Commissioners to know about these changes I would just say that it was it was a very smart move I think to to amend the UBC and remove the the premiums um I think that that basically took this project from being a very slim chance of getting financed to to a to a much more solid chance and and uh it's very financially viable because of that and that came at the exact right time so I would say Kudos uh for that the other projects we are looking at would be plan developments so that would be its own negotiation and and its own whole thing um and so affordability would come into that there's a lot of different things that come into that uh conversation um this one just being by right I I I think you're you're certainly heading in the right direction um and uh if you want I think the solution to a housing crisis is more housing and you're certainly going to get that um with what you've done thanks thank you any other Commissioners commissioner Hammond Schmid thank you um I remember when I first heard and I don't remember where I first when I first heard about the credit union I think that's there going up for redevelopment and I was really really excited to hear that I think this is a really great place for this type of project so I'm very supportive anything that I'm saying or asking is really just curiosity and clarification so I just wanted to ease your mind at least a little bit with that and it's really helpful to hear the feedback on the the premiums removal and how that is helping this project to be able to move forward um I really like the variety of unit types that you're including in this building this location is very walkable to campus it's also walkable to downtown businesses and it's a really good downtown location and I think you mentioned somewhere I read in your presentation somewhere it's not it's not exclusively marketed to students which is great but a lot of what you said about the leases makes me think that I mean there will probably be a lot of students but like I'm trying to pretend like I'm not as old as I am and I'm like in my young 20s and I'm not a student but I might want to live downtown and it makes me curious about the approach to soundproofing between units and what you're thinking about there is it designed to any specific there is an aseni would be better would know better but there is a sound transmission coefficient that we designed to um where uh there is sound insulation between units and actually between bedrooms so that um sound transmission is not an issue um we operate a lot of student housing properties um we expect that this will be very uh um uh attractive to a student resident and so we would expect a lot of students here that sometimes comes with really spending the money on the the TR uh the sound uh dampening between unit walls so I don't know ashini if you could elaborate a little bit um I'm not an expert on that but there is a sound transmission coefficient I know the numbers and I know what that is so you tell me we yeah so if you already know I think it's a well well we are going to be doing a STC 55 between the corridors and the units and between the units we'll be doing an STC of 50 okay uh which usually takes care of that sort of sounds 60 is better but okay that's good it's not 30 um you mentioned to something about you know access to recycling and trash and I was wondering about composting and if you're going to make that available if that's I think I'm channeling commissioner council member dish when I asked this question but is there anything you're doing for composting we had not included that and we getting that question in uh kind of the early stages of the other projects that we're working on um we have not included that short answer in this project if that's something that catches on and that we see a giant need for I think we could we could figure out a way to do it it would have to be something where the residents would carry their compost down to the trash room and that we would have a container for it there so there wouldn't be a special shoot for it but it's something that we would certainly adapt to if it's it's value been needed by the residents awesome sounds great um when I was looking at your site plans what is a trophy room so that is a cool Lounge hangout room that is adjacent to a rooftop Terrace we call a trophy room we have uh our own special names for all of our amenity spaces so the annex is the thing I mentioned earlier that's the study room the trophy room is kind of Lounge hangout area that's adjacent to a pool dech okay I was like what trophies are going on in this room this is a big space for trophies um okay cool I guess the only last thing I'll say um you know you've mentioned I think I think I've gotten from you a commitment to sustainability and you had all those things outlined and and then in osi's comments they mentioned Red List free and materials and I would just encourage you to look for declare labels like look at look for Red List free materials um feel free to reach out to me because I've been doing this for my current job and there's a lot of really great products at low cost um that could be used I think that would be really good for a project like this um for example foro marmoleum is a really good product that could be good for multif family um that I think that's all that I wanted to say oh I really love the dark color so I think this is going to be really great a really great addition to our community it's my favorite color is so thank thank you so much thank you um any other Commissioners okay I think most of the questions I had have been addressed just kind of going through talked about the pool talked about um one question on the development agreement with respect to lead gold it said that it's going to be designed to lead gold standards but not necessarily actually achieving or maintaining the certification so do you guys have an intent to continue to because I think it's like a cycle you have to keep getting the certification can you just talk to me about the intent there the design is great obviously that that makes for a Baseline and most resi doesn't get like redesigned right like commercial space but uh is there a kind of a commitment to continuing to get certification yeah I'm going to let uh Andy speak to that I I think we certainly would be willing to do that so the intent was actually to comply with the UDC before it was uh amended uh and there were certain F bonuses related to different levels of lead I believe that required certification and we were ready to do that so that is something we would we would certainly be willing to do gotcha yep now I was just making the clarification that the development agreement as it states just simply says it's going to be designed to those standards so just a slight distinction um aside from that I think that echoing commissioner hamers Schmid I think it does actually make a really nice contrast materiality so um I think the your collaboration with the design review board as well as you know the glazing the fallwood I think it does create a better sense of place certainly better than um a one- story so um just to try to keep this more brief and for the benefit of the petitioner at the beginning they did ask if there is any kind of hesitation because it requires this is a kind of a rare circumstance in which there's only six members so I'm going to just kind of give you at least a preview that I am in favor of this particular project I would like to just get a sense from other f folks where they stand just for the benefit of the petitioner we're not voting right now but I'm just getting a uh temperature yeah um do we have anybody that has reservations with respect to this project that it does not mean meet the byright standards of the UDC okay with that do we have any other further comments seeing none I think we can move forward to a roll call vote mix Kelly on the motion is presented chair Lee Yes commissioner we yes commissioner hamers Schmid yes commissioner Clark yes commissioner Mills yes commissioner Weatherby yes that motion carries congratulations good luck thank you thank you all thank you appreciate it all right we are moving on to agenda number 10 other business I do not see any so we are moving on to item number 11 which is public comment this is the second opportunity for persons to speak up to three minutes about any issue that is not listed as a public hearing on this agenda we'll first call on individuals that are here to present any uh to the commission and then remote participants to speak during this public hearing remotely please press star 9 if listening by phone or use a raised hand feature of viewing through the web link for phone access please call 877- 853 5247 and enter meeting ID 977 6634 1226 City staff will select callers that have raised their hands using the last three digits of the phone number or by name if available you'll hear an automated announcement that the host is allowing you to speak and when speaking please move to a quiet area mute back background noises so we can hear you clearly for either method of participation please state your name and address at the beginning of your comments is there anyone present that would like to speak to the commission at this time Mr Garber uh just one moment Mr Garber so I can pull up our timer thank you thank you Charlie this is so different than last night when there were over 60 speakers at city council um so I like this better um I think you know by Speaker 30 the everyone the council's eyes were just glazed over and it's like well you know understandably um so it's nice to have your attention um I'm just going to say something historical that should make you feel better about your uh your vote the vote you just took I'm a lot older than any of you and I remember when this Credit Union building was actually built and it was controversial because they took down several homes to build it um and uh it just didn't sit well with a lot of us and um now it's going to come down and we're going to get a lot of Housing and I think that's uh a nice circular conclusion to this tale so um thank you for all your concerned about uh about housing and for everything uh that you do you know your incisive questions your thorough review um very much appreciate the work that you do as volunteers so that's all I wanted I just wanted to give you a little bit of historical background thank you thank you Mr Garber any other speakers that are present seeing none are there any remote speakers at this time there's one hand and raise Samuel Hayes you permission to address the Planning Commission um hello Planning Commission um I will just first like to say thank you again for the time that you all spend on your um Community um I do definitely agree that a way through the housing crisis is in fact more housing so thank you again for taking this time in your community under all this scrutiny doing it in public and all those good things so since this is public comment I would like to um show to speak about the ongoing development that will be going on at Galleria Mall um the owners of pinball pets could make it down tonight but um the last time we were at the design planner committee the developers presented that they were speaking to the owners about how to incorporate them into their design and I was there with the owners and they said that the developers had not spoken to them yet so I would hope as of now that they've reached out to them I just got off the phone with him um he did not indicate that the develop ERS have reached out to them at all so um please don't make this city you know like New York but without the culture because that's what removing all those pinball machines and a safe space and a dry place for all of those college students and even older people would do so you know just something to think about I will be showing up to those meetings and speaking on behalf of pinball piz at that time as well um but I really think that we need need to kind of sort of take a minute and talk about approving these new developments in the city of Ann Arbor I'll be speaking to the people at Ian and Pittsfield as well at these exorbitant prices I think someone on the council was right to question that the units were being pitched as for everyone when in fact they were probably only for students whose parents or scholarship could afford these units because um I know I can't be as old as Mr Garber but when did we start charging per person and per bed rather than just for the whole thing and we're talking 2,000 per person or per bed maybe um as part of some of your guys' conversation I couldn't even begin to imagine the complexities of what you all deal with maybe some of your conversations with these developers we can talk about crisis I know we don't have rink caps I'm hitting that on the legislative side as well don't worry and this isn't a place for that but maybe we can discuss with them something about you know keeping the prices down um the money that these students or whomever saves on rent they're going to spend in your city they're going to spend it in washingon County heck they're just going to spend it in America period and what's good for the goose is good for the gander and really kind of helps keep all of our streets clean and keeps everybody inside homes thank you again so much for being here for the public um there's probably other people who could do the job but you're the ones doing it right now now and I think you deserve a whole lot of credit for that and you guys should give yourself a lot of credit for that thank you so much and have a great day thank you Mr Hayes Miss Kelly there are no other hands raised thank you I'll give it two more seconds it's like five okay with that I will close public comments uh we're moving on to agenda number 12 uh commission proposed business are there any other commission proposed business happy holidays I will say that oh commissioner hamers this isn't really commission proposed business but I just wanted to thank Mr changen for all of his years of service I'm glad that you came to see us before you retired and I hope that you enjoy your retirement you look like you're not over like 40 years old so I don't even understand like how are you retiring so young and tell us all your secrets but thank you so much and if you have any exciting like I remember when fun stories from your years on planning staff like we just heard the fun Bank story from Mr Garber we'd probably love to be regil with them well a quick one just happened today I had probably my last pre-submission meeting it's called North Side Corners which is at Pac Trail and duvar but as Scott betel and Brad Moore pointed out we worked on that project back in 1999 together so it's come in Full Circle you know even you know 24 25 years later so I I will piggy back on that and thank you thank you for your many years of service and the city really owes you a a great gratitude so I I'll miss the people yeah I I really will that's what you miss the most from what I understand the secret is swimming at the Y that's what I've heard it's supposed to be really good for you well the YMCA pool opened today and I did go for a swim today so there you go swimm does that hurt thank thank you thank you for bringing that up commissioner hammid any other commission proposed business seeing nothing else I'm going to move to adjournment move by commissioner uh White seconded by commissioner Mills we are adjourned
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actually 8.99 we'll talk about that account but anyways I'm saying we are going to have fun that debt service from no longer rep part so will that free up no no okay sorry no that was important unfortunately when you issue Bonds in the way that we that taxing Authority goes away once the bonds are paid um all right that answers that question but we are living within our means to do this this won't stress us to the point where if something else happened within a reasonable scale we would be incapable of responding correct okay uh I wanted to ask this question what are the consequences if we don't vote move forward on this the very first consequence is is that we could not reasonably um Begin work on those safe Estes for storm and Louise for the the school the 25 school year it would be 26 at the earliest that we could do that work I mean by law I mean I required to do the fire alarms or is that uh yeah we will be yeah so we don't have a choice on that you don't no that's happening no matter what okay well I'm just saying it's not like that's about space function Firearms you you have two choices of fire alarms you either wait till it breaks and then you're in trouble and you can't have a building or you get ahead of it as manely aware you know as close as you can get to it and that's where we're at what I'm hearing right you know and then my fourth question is if we didn't has this what would be alternative Solutions and would that be another referendum or just hoping nothing breaks alternative Solutions here other than item three is crossing your fingers and praying as we've been kind of punting on these waiting to see the resolution of these referendums for since 1819 he said right so it's not like this is just came out of nowhere like we've known it but we said well we're going to put this together and see what the community says those are my questions I have comments but if other people have questions how' you do how do you do RJ or Rob I just you didn't ask any of the questions I had okay Rob I just I just have a comment on this um first uh I commend Tony for uh this plan and uh having a plan to execute these items and I know it's although he said it in a couple sentences I know a lot of work went into um developing how we would uh pay for this so um I think it's right now we got to do this he's got a plan um to get us there to to pay for this and I don't see any reason to wait on any of these items to follow on with that I I appreciate the the accolades thank you um but Mark Des them more than I do he's the one who Combs through all these fine details I just made it look pretty here um but this is this has been um marks I'm sorry it doesn't really look all that pretty does you like those numbers yeah that's why not those numbers but just you enjoy numbers that's why it looks pretty to you but Mark Mark and his team did all did all the real work here so get you a birthday card with numbers all over it I would appreciate that be you have more questions I have comments do you have comments I don't have questions I want just a comment you know regarding number five the functional improvements I know that's a concern for for a lot of our community um but you know we do have amazing staff um and I I as much as it hurts to say that we can't do anything for number five and I don't want to put everything on our staff but I feel personally confident that we have enough within their abilities you know to to support the curriculum and the majority of our staff meets or exceeds you know in in their areas and so I'm confident our kids will receive wonderful education even without their being anything under number five it it hurts still though it's really concerning but I I I kind of fall back on that so that's just a comment so it's a bummer but um yeah I've got I don't know how many questions I have but I do have some comments as well so thank you so I visited JB Nelson and I saw the work that was done there before I make any comments on that I just want to make sure that I'm correct according to the chart to the plan 1.1 million was what was spent on the work that was done at JB Nelson correct the new vestibules that's incorrect isn't it yeah the the total for the new vestibules at storm and Louise I total right about 4.5 million no AGS that JB Nelson was 2 million AGS the we packaged them together so it's tough to pull apart on on the sheet it says 1.1 I don't know what you're refering yeah that's the capital projects Master list yeah that's this year so it's it's it just shows this fiscal year it doesn't show last fiscals year so there was another amount for it was 800,000 for last year so then when you combine those basically it was 2 million giv is about 4 million total between the two schools okay across the fiscal years that's why it's split up funny on that chart okay so I've got a lot of thoughts on this and my I the the thing that I would love to really see and the thing that I think is missing from this picture is hearing from the public on other proposals and I'll what led me to this was at a at uh at JB Nelson when we first had the referendum we had $5 million slated for that school and we had six areas of concern out of those six areas of concern as far as I can tell we addressed one control of main entrance we had space utilization and functional adequacy classroom for Science and Hands-On learning suitable spaces to serve students with special needs age playground equipment age mechanical systems and lighting was control of main entrance the only thing that was addressed so my thought process here is I would love to have the public see what our opportunity lost is I heard you for year say let's not throw good money after bad and as much as I love the idea of securing the schools right away if we're gonna if we're going to put aside let's say 20 million if we're going to put 10 million per school with items one two and three for HCS and at one point we're asking for 35 million per school if that is funding is available would it not make sense to ask to see if a referendum for 25 million for one school would pass am I am I logic am I making sense here or does that not track uh so I want to see how I understand what you're saying you're saying what if we float a referendum to pay 25 million per school for for those two schools or yeah so 50 million in total if that's where we decide to go or one school at a time per referendum um I remember very clearly the the representative for the vote no campaign said if we had a smaller itemized referendum they would support it detailing what we're looking to do we've now got those details out this is much more detailed information than we had when we were first doing uh the referendum the six light items and the the opportunity that we lost at AG at JB Nelson I think is very important to know that those five things are not anywhere near getting addressed in this in this plan they're not even on in scope so I'm just wondering if the public saw what is wanting to be done at each school if we had the money versus what we are going to settle for because that's what we're doing we're settling here if they saw that would they then vote for taking money out of their own Pockets to fund the opportunity for these students that's I'm just wondering that's that's where my mind's at with this so do you just as a part of a dialogue so do you see that those that you couldn't do this while still highlighting those inadequacies or the things that didn't happen so that if there is a question later about why these things aren't occurring that that presents a a discussion point for a potential I think the logical way to do that would be to delay the timing if we're at a point where we need to have HC Storm and and we need to start making those calls for those two schools in January that we move something from 2027 into 20 2025 I'm not sure exactly what it would be but um some of the things that are later that are smaller items I mean the HVAC that needs to be done unless I'm wrong is is like $300,000 some of the some of the or the fire I'm sorry the fire alarms $332,000 it's it's not anywhere near the the almost 10 million per school I'll add a little bit more I'm sorry to keep I don't mean to be on a so box here the locked entrance the vestival with the the sight line at jbn was great the new office was great the storage looked amazing they had more storage but then I looked over the side and they still had had an old filing cabinet there I'm like why is it there they said well because this storage unit filing cabinet was actually up against a a pole like this so it was it was false it was a false front because of aesthetically that's what they they said it was an aesthetic decision to have in a fake front instead of just pull the drawer out to give more storage space I'm not sure where that came from but it was there's just a lot of Miss steps there there are there's doors that were taken off in the hallway for some reason there were old fire doors that would close if there was a fire you would push a button the doors would close if the fire alarm went off those are gone so the front area where the security was done it's so secure you could push a button the door is lock in the front if you're in the back of the school if you're in the cafeteria you don't have those measures you don't have that security like you like you would have had um they the teachers are currently using the closet the janers closet closet for their Lounge because of the amount of sections of kindergarteners and first graders they had they voted together they talked together about not wanting to have a Mobile Music believe it was so they gave their Lounge up so that the students had a music classroom I just I feel like we're we could do better than what we're doing and if we go with this plan that we're just going to see more and more examples of this at other schools I mean we already know that it's like this at other schools and it's not going to go away and a learning environment that is a Teachers Lounge versus teachers now working out of a closet where they have a microwave and a small little fridge I mean I just I I would love to as much as I hate it because I've been part of this for years I would love to just take a break think about what we could actually do with the public and ask them what their opinion is that's where I'm at okay now I have my opinion I'll share it's a different opinion and I respect RJ's thoughts first of all if we vote Yes for this this doesn't preclude us from future referendums I think the only thing it limits us to is tearing down HC Storm and Luis white because we wouldn't want to invest all this money but based off the conversations I've had for the last two years even though I believe that is The Prudent thing to do and I wish you know I advocated I mean personally I advocated for that that was the financially responsible thing to do that is a concept that is just mentally people might understand it but in their heart and their guts they just can't get behind it what I would keep hearing is my house house is 50 years old and I don't tear it down to build a new one I remodel so I think the community spoke in two referendums we had one that was basically a coin flip the second one that failed by a larger margin so I feel that we've been waiting on these things for four or five years we're talking about fire alarms keeping our students warm and comfortable and someone made a comment to me that maybe the only place that some of our kids feel warm and dry is at school and we're not even really fulfilling that right now to the best of our ability and then safe entry so my kids go to JB Nelson RJ and I thought about that a lot and as we know a referendum is a very slow methodical process that has no guarante and um unfortunately in the world we live in right now uh violence is a part of our daily lives and so well the I can't say that these entries would make it uh immune to any tragedy that could happen uh I would have a very hard time sleeping if we've gone through this process because when did the 2018 is when we started this process for the referendum right when we started the master plan process we started looking at this initially in 2017 and that had a wide swath of input from the community you were part of that other I think rob you were part of that so I'm not saying we don't continue to listen to our voices but I feel like we've done our due diligence engaging the public these were priorities I feel like the community to me says warm safe and dry safe and secure yes we behind that we want to spend money on that now learning spaces or the evolution of Education that's a diff difficult more difficult question to ask there's a lot of different opinions on that I feel like my second question do we have the ability to fund this uh is it in our budget and can we do it without hamstring us so that if anything unforeseen happens we're unable to react I feel it's our physical Duty now to do this so that we can get these projects started immediately and then when we have the Strategic plan that Tom is working on so hard at that point if we decide to address these other needs so this is not precluding us from doing other things at JB Nelson HD storm at uh at Lis white what we're doing is make it safe and warm and dry and more sec with money that we have that we can spend that we can do it and we're living within our means so I think the time to act is now because uh we're not done listening to the community I have a hunch people we might have a referendum down the road and it will address other needs but these are primary core needs that I think the community has spoken on that we value that we want to make sure that we are at a minimum providing for our students and families and teachers and staff and so I I I feel personally that it's my obligation to vote for this so that we can move forward to satisfy those needs any other comments I was just wondering 20 what am I wrong that you had mentioned that the numbers here are good if we don't hire any new faculty am I just dreaming that that that you said that that on the financial forecast yeah yeah those numbers assume that we're not hiring additional we're not adding FTE to our current numbers with one exception ft stands for fulltime equivalence so thank you for pointing that out meaning you know full-time people who work for us full-time uh the one exception is kindergarten we did bake into that assumption that we would have to hire six kindergarten teachers to implement the full day kindergarten requirement in 2027 okay did you make a comment that it did kind of put into place um the thought process of the best by contract yes I okay I heard that okay all right so um from my perspective um and most everybody knows I kind of do this stuff living um I personally live in fear of something catastrophic happening that is we're in here next week talking about how we're trying to figure out how to free up $3 million to do a roof or shut down a school that just happened at a school district recently that they had to go borrow another school that was not being used from another school district to get kids in it and we're the ones that are supposed to be able to try to help figure that out and and provide guidelines to the staff and to the to the um Administration and to the teachers and to the kids and everybody else that we have to do that um I I think like I I want to look at these in my head as like a as like a like you guys have framed it as a priority and and we were in rack talking about some of this and I wanted to know because my primary question and I'm glad everybody discussed it a bit is you know we recognize the fact that if we go down this road the likelihood of rebuilding those two schools and demoing them is sailed so now we're taxed with not F literally but we are taxed with how to figure out how to do that so one of my questions on the safe entries one is this construction is are you anticipating it's going to go beyond a summer or because it's twice the square footage that you're trying to get done in about the same amount of time yeah it would be highly doubtful that it would be done in the summer right and it's mainly because of really there's no second shift labor force right if you you want to get this done it's one shift so you can kind of piece it together a couple different ways but in early talks looking at this we'd piece it together get the safe entry done get the office configuration done that would shift around those two classrooms at those buildings but you would leave out um some of the kindergarten pieces um because it all ties in with plumbing um Plumbing takes a little bit longer um because you're connecting things so that would get pushed down and the reason that would work is how where the full day kindergarten is at um so that's how you would look at re you know kind of putting that over two summers you can't do this work during the school year okay right um I think Mark there was also the discussion at HC Storm the site improvements would be going through the start of the school year correct right is that still if there was s in you know the the whole site improvements being done um you could do that at a different piece that could be a a project on its own um you know the trade packages are completely different than what's inside the school so you could do that separate I mean now probably wouldn't be the most convenient for students and staff there but you could do that during the year you would have to get a temporary entrance and you'd have to move things around but from the timing standpoint in our in the discussions we've all been part of there's no way to do that simultaneously through the summer to be completed no okay I just want to make sure that was clear we noted that work here yeah my point is there's going to be some operational challenges at the buildings to do that um I'll add to that that I also work in the construction industry I'm in schools quite a bit and I've been in a lot of schools where work is ongoing and it's not ideal but it's manageable kids are resilient they figure it out the the workers are consider it they get a schedule in high school when the ones I've been in the bell's going to ring in 5 minutes everyone gets off there ladders they clear out they go have a smoke or whatever they're doing they let the kids off campus I'm sorry whatever they're doing but any I'm saying is they're not really in the hallways they know they make it passable and they work around it and the kids it's not ideal but they adjust yeah yeah I think in those cases there's something to be said about when people see the construction and something being built in in the name of educating them there's that we can deal with this well we know what's we know the end game and I think that's a difference from when kids know coming in during the winter some of the UN events might not be working so they might have to be wearing their coats because the classroom might get a little cold right extra cold that's not towards the end game of anything other than they're hoping someone's going to come and fix that so it's working it's a nice sentiment but it's not in the name of Education though right that's my point and there's a different I think uh student efficacy in terms of getting through a construction site site work when they know something's being built right they know that the end goal is to to facilitate or help them in some way as opposed to what's we don't know if it's going to get fixed tomorrow sort of thing so to to kind of finish like mandatory safety items we'd be borderline negligent not to do right borderline it's not a legal terminology here I'm just saying we really got to take a hard look at that warm and dry would if we don't decide to do it someone will make us do it be highly likely um and dry I'm kind of in that same boat I kind of really have a not a hard time because I know we need to do it but it's a harder decision to make about the safe entries just because that's really where we're putting the stamp on it that any work we're going to do at those two buildings is going to be more of this kind of operational impacts future Renovations even if we do package that as a referendum question later that's the hard part of this decision for me it's a fork in the road for us I feel like yep in a way in that regard on those on that decision yeah and then the general maintenance you know that has to occur to a certain extent but I understand they're lower priorities and and these are things that I know as Tony said earlier as fund balances adjust and firm up that components are going to slide up and down the scale of getting done or not done so we could you know that number four right there could turn into number five with two dashes in it if we have to based on market economies and whatever else you know so number two too right so I mean it's it's it's a tough it's a tough challenge um I said a while ago when the referendum didn't pass in particularly the second side is well the easy route just evaporated this is the hard route and we're in the middle of it and I I I wholeheartedly agree with you RJ I think I think we did the best we could and the staff and everybody else did the best they could at educating people but I don't think they know what they I don't think they fully comprehended like what the impact is going to be financially even about having to renovate as opposed to build new and everything else because you like you said like they just couldn't I had a conver long conversation with somebody at one of the meetings and they just couldn't quite wrap their head around why these buildings weren't good enough to just renovate so um so I mean from my end I'll just let my vote kind of speak for itself but I'm just acknowledging that this is just probably one of the harder decisions I've had to make right while being on the board and I don't want um and I again I don't want to demean or you know I have a different opinion perhaps than you but um I mean of course my decision is formed off of uh since I've been on the board a lot of Engagement so uh and we don't spend like I said dollar one cavalierly it's a hard decision to spend any dollars on any of this stuff but um I feel at a certain point part of our responsibility is to act uh after getting input I feel like we have gotten inut at this point so yeah I appreciate your opinion I I feel like yes or no you're winning and you're losing Agreed 100% And and your comments for me at least were well takeen I think it should be kind of like made aware of what some of these challenges are and things so that if there's a referendum question coming up later that the job of that will be to put some money in line item number five to make the process a bit less complicated or arduous for our students and staff so okay any other questions or any other information to add okay I will entertain a motion to award the 2024 bavia high schools wait wait did go too far did damn it I will entertain a motion to adopt the warm safe drive facility maintenance plan as presented so moved second motion by RJ second by Rob I'm Aon D on it I'm not I'm off today Aaron thanks Aaron um Cindy we please lead us in a roll call vote sorry guys I'm having a hard time here um yes hbert yes no Meadows yes thank you very much motion passes good discussion thank you everybody appreciate all right Mark let's get to the thing I tried to vote on earlier so try to move forward on that one yeah yeah um this is really kind of the third month of this discussion out the action um last month I talked about that this was part of the bid process um this is mainly the exterior maintenance of the Fine Art Center and the Fieldhouse the one piece that's interior is the lighting in the Fieldhouse um so you will have trade packages for this um you'll see them in appendix a but uh the trade packages are masonary painting Roofing that's your Exterior Roofing is a small piece it's B mainly um Gutter and downspout work and then the electrical is your interior work for lighting so this is really maintaining those buildings um it's outside maintenance yeah the price tag is high but when you're that far up in the air it quadruples the price very quickly for um you know lifts um protection of everything around the building from when you're painting um also the piece in here is there's allowances built into those bid prices of $55,000 um those allowances are really for unforeseen things that come up is that overall or is that individual sorry that's overall so it's 20 for masonary and 20 for painting but it it totals 55 ,000 um so let's say nothing comes up which normally doesn't happen but if nothing comes up that $55,000 would not be spent um so I mean this is the Mason area is the highest one but that's all the cocking all the filling of the joints or the crack and the pre-cast walls so that's that piece I don't know if you have any other questions so lamp reviews and meets with the contractors to do scoping right yep lamp you know reviews all these with the four trade packages okay y anybody have any specific questions yes just to clarify again we we have a plan in in the budget to pay for this yep okay yep this is part of the um capital projects plan and this is all summer work right yes this will be this summer any lead time issues on anything that we there is not any leite ement issues which is amazing that I can actually I'm on that right now don't I heard him knock on the table so jinxing ourselves is what he's thinking right now you know protecting I got my rabbit's foot in my pocket here I'm rubbing it so yeah okay all right anybody have any questions for them appreciate the diligent kind of process of bringing us along and kind of talking about each one I think that's a bit of a shift from what has kind of happened in the past and I appreciate the deeper knowledge about it so and Mark I do want to compliment you I mean you're a softspoken guy but it's pretty rare for me to be at any event and you're there I mean first day of school you're there you're at event I mean you're present nobody knows our grounds better than you do in the district so I appreciate all the work you and thought you put into this appreciate you saying that I second second that great call out it's not it's not a formal action here that what we're voting on MAR is a nice guy yes motion passes 5 Z okay I'll just make sure I'm reading the right one this time I will entertain a motion to award the 2024 Tavia High School summer Improvement project bids as listed in appendex a as presented so Move Motion by Aaron second by RJ Cindy please lead us in a roll call Vote Yes pass yes AR yesil yes sler yes motion passes thank you next item is uh 2023 tax levy presumably Tony will lead us again presumably Brad did volunteer willing Brad's got this so uh we will start this off with we call a public hearing or members of the public can I present the the details about the levy public will have an opportunity to ask questions although I'm not sure anybody looks like wants to do that this evening after we conclude the public hearing then the board will have an opportunity to deliberate upon the levy and then take action upon it um what's not usual about this Levy process for us this year and last year is that we have to hold this public hearing it's a it's a we have to we have to comply with the truth and Taxation law and the reason being is because we're our our Levy or ask exceeds 5% more than what we collected last year so we're um if the excess is more than 5% uh then we have to publish notice in the paper we have to hold a public hearing and the board has to have an opportunity to formally listen to the public before they adopt the levy uh and the reason why our Levy is as high as it is is because of inflation uh when it comes to how the levy Works we're in K County King County has what's called the property tax extension liability law or limitation law not liability law limitation law which is commonly referred to as the tax cap and so we're limited to our extension by 5% or CPI whichever is less we all know that inflation been pretty high in the last couple years and so we're Limited at that 5% with new construction that are added is added on to our tax roles our ask is 5.9% so on this public hearing I'm just going to give you some kind of high level mechanics of what's happening when we're adopting a tax levy and where we've been in terms of history from tax rates and property taxes and where we're likely to be in the future because as we've been talking about with the referendum tax rates are going down we're paying off our bond and interest and what impact does that have on my property taxes so hly if you would mind pulling up that slide deck I'd appreciate it one question while you're doing that since it's one of the questions on there the $90 increase is that post like is there a net or like from a the bonds falling off is that $90 above that or is that $90 without consideration of the bond $90 all in including the bonds so as uh Aon asked earlier the 9.1 when we're were talking about the referend the reason why you remember that 9.1 is we talked about 9.1 is the regular bill that we have and it has been for a long time this is the first year where we actually see it decline just a little bit bit went from 9.1 to 8.9 so it's actually the amount of we're going to pay off for those that Bond and interest payment is going to go down by 3.6% now it only represents 99.6% of school taxes but it's going down just slightly so your taxes are still going to go up this year they're just not going to go up as much as they would have with that $300,000 that we're not otherwise paying but they're going to go down next year that payment is going to be haved next year and then the year after that it's gone we'll have paid off all those bonds our ability to tax for them goes away and then tax rates go down and I'll show you a graphic of that in just a little bit thanks but I do want this to be informational so if you do have questions please please do ask the total ask in this Levy for this current fiscal year is $ 82.6 million what we expect to actually receive is just about 82.3 million we never quite know how things are going to shake out because the tax process is rather U complicated and assessments shift and shake until tax bills go out and even after tax bills go out things kind of shift and Shake but we ask for a little bit more than we would otherwise expect because there's a lot of things that we just don't know at this point in the process and because long short of is some things fall shorter than expected right you need a little bit of the overage to offset the things that might drive you under otherwise you could end up short of your 5% and the reason why that's important is because since we're capped we're limited to that 5% or the CPI of what we actually extended in the prior so if you don't extend enough you're kind of capping yourself and that cap has a compounding effect over time and so um that's you know there of course people disagree with that you know when you're when you on tax but when you're from a from a standpoint of the school board where your only lever almost quite literally that you can use to raise revenues to pay all the bills that you have to pay is this one Source you have to be very careful in how you make these decisions bottom line is the median value home in bavia as of right now is $399,000 and if your property is worth $399,000 today and it went up by about 7% in the last year the difference between last year's tax bill in this TI's tax bill is about $90 if your house is worth more let's say it's $1,000 more you'd add another $225 to that amount if it was $100,000 less you'd subtract about 22.5 dollar from that amount that's what we expect it's difficult to estimate what's happening in town because there are so many overlapping taxing districts in vavia that it's hard to we just talk about the school taxes because there's a lot going on as the board knows 10% of our enrollment comes from Aurora it's a different municipality different taxes you could live in the Fox Valley Park Park District down there or if you're here in in downtown you're you know you're in the heart of bavia but if you live up in the north west corner you live actually in the Geneva Park district and the Geneva Library District those are different tax rates and so it gets very confusing for everybody as to how all these things overlap and what ends up happening on tax bills and it can be different from one side of the town to the next next side please Holly this is our revenues by source so did you say earlier that the the evidence-based funding is going to be Zippy well it's not quite Zippy it's $5,000 that's it fair noted it's not even worth talking about frankly in100 million statistically Zippy statistically Zippy what's not statistically Zippy is tax bills and is that actually in the document statistically Zippy yeah and 81% of our revenues come from local property taxes and for the foreseeable future all of our new growth in terms of Revenue to pay our our bills and pay the very things we about I apologize there's other local Revenue there that's a little red sliver and the number I had reconfigured this slide so that you'd see it but it's 3% and then I reconfigured it again and that number disappeared but that little red bar is 3% State funding the evidence-based funding that you know what the state provides us which will not increase as long as our enrollment is going down or and where we exceed 100% in terms of adequacy is 5.6% and viously as time passes and our revenues increase elsewhere that number is going to decline other state funding are categoricals for special education and transportation those are reimbursements for money that we spent in the prior year those will go up slightly because every year we spend a little bit more on those uh costs um but the state ever never really keeps up with inflation on that so that will erode over time and then U 6.6% of our money right now is federal net amount is going to go down pretty significantly next year because all the pandemic relief dollars will have been spent and so that number will decrease but that's where our money comes from but the purpose of this SL is to say what you're doing tonight when you adopt the levy 81% you're you're basically giving your authority to say these taxes have to be are coming in for this amount of money we don't file the levy with the county clerk by the fourth Tuesday in December you don't get anything and uh that would be a real problem obviously 81% of our Revenue would disappear next slide please H time is down to 7eleven you'll see this in the board report but this is a visual representation of in the green bar market value of the home so this year market value median value of a home $399,000 of for our school district last year that home would have been worth $375 9,000 in the prior year 360 and on down the line but you can see what the taxes were for those amounts in Prior years and again going up from 90 by $90 from one year and I'll note that uh a strong school system is a primary driver to home prices increasing which is really a really good point as a matter of fact and it very much is and um we're very fortunate in the sense from our EA when you look at our eav and you look at the Great Recession when our when everybody's eav was declining ours was one of the very first to recover and recuperate I was just talking to some business managers in the northern part of state where they have literally just recovered from the Great Recession in terms of their eav exceeding what it was when the Great Recession started and we recovered within a few years and we're very fortunate that that's the case but again a large part is that's due to the school district and the local market economy and those sorts of factors but you know I think the school district pays a pretty heavy role in that in that Association is there simple explanation for and and that gap between the red and the like the inversion that happens on it is that the is that the bonds falling off that's doing that or what is that I'm not sure I understand so the red line of 6,000 but of taxes but a house is worth 346 and then by the time it gets to 2023 your house value is shown above the red line M yeah that's just the scale on both sides and so one is the dollar amount and then the other is the scale for for the taxes okay um and we're assuming that the property the the value of the home is increasing or decreasing with the um the in the rate of increase so it's because it's the the just to make sure I'm correct in my assumption so house values are going up 7% but the taxes are only going up five so at some point they go boink and F the other way exactly okay so you're getting more value out of your 7% rise than you're spending in your 5 I think there are some people that might debate that with you but I understand yeah you know yeah next slide please now this is to the question that we had earlier about what's happening with the bond and interest Levy and and what's the annual tax levy this graph illustrates that so the action that we'll take tonight is the annual tax levy that's the part of the taxes that the school board has control over up to 5% or CPI whichever is less and the blue bars are the amount of money that the school district must raise to pay off the bond and interest debt it was issued and so as we're nearing the end of paying that off they're generally about 20e issuances we'll have that we have one more year 2023 is where we stand now we got one more year where the blue bar just gets a little slightly less than the year prior and then next year it cuts itself in half and in 2025 it goes away so that's about 10% of the tax bill that will disappear in the next couple of years next year even with inflation being relatively High um tax bills I expect will go down next year um we'll talk about that in a little bit um but from from us yes we don't can't control what the other taxing bodies do there's 9,000 taxing bodies in Illinois more than any other state in the Union um and so it's difficult to tell what's happening on anybody's tax bill and school districts however though we're the big pigs at the trough as I always say and we're 65% plus of the tax bill so more than likely tax bills will go down but we can only talk about what will happen from our perspective because it's very difficult to talk about what it means for every last mavian with how everything overlaps next slide please this is the a longer view of the property taxes paid for a median value home we saw in that last graph where you you talk about those green bars increasing at various percentages Craig this is what it would look like if we did a look back to 2013 you can see how in 2014 that amount went down uh in terms of property taxes and that was because eav went down now people had different experiences depending on what the value of your house was at the time but the reason why we had such an issue with tax bills and the school board and its tax rate pledge at the time is because eav was declining and when we issued those bonds and made that pledge it was inconceivable that eav would ever go down but of course it did here we are we see that it's going to go down in 25 start going up again in 26 and Contin and it's turned in 28 next slide so just couple take-home points 81% of our revenue is from property taxes the tax rate is declining every year but tax rates of course or excuse me taxes of course go up even though the tax rate is declining all of our debt will be paid off in 25 we're going to see an increase here in 23 but a decrease from a school district perspective in 24 and all right so that would conclude the presentation for the public hearing and we have an opportunity now to hear from the public if anybody's so inclined Todd you get a chance to speak come on one more time take advantage of it three minutes though I just want to say to Tony that I find this very confusing when you get people's tax bills I mean don't think it's by accident um but it is really our opportunity to fund our schools so um it's one of the primary that we have um so but I thank you for giving context and then to be able to get it down to I always give tony a hard time because he likes to give all the context I'll say it's 90% he'll say it's actually 90.1 he always has to and I'm like you're right but so to I'm sure it's painful you to have to distill it down to something this succinct but I appreciate you doing it because it it enables people like me to be able to understand it and uh share it with others if they ask questions about it do you have any more graphs unfortunately no numbers um I'm wondering the adoption of the warm safe and dry facilities plan was approval of this part of the funding yes that's a good question that I forgot to mention so when we adopted the budget in the in September um we assumed that we were going to Levy at percentage that we're levying today and um 50% of that money shows up in this current fiscal year so the levy that you'll adopt tonight 50% of that money will show up in May and we'll balance our books as we end of the fiscal year and the other 50% of this tax levy would start um paying salaries and bills for the beginning of the next school year so if you change your mind on this Levy you change your mind on the budget that we adopted in September so essentially that budget adoption sets the course for the whole school year and this is a a component of that it's dependent on on the budget so if you made a different decision as to what you were doing with the levy you have to reconsider your budget it basically be invalid we'd have to start all over again w we depends you don't necessarily have to start at Ground Zero but you have to talk consider you know the difference between what you were expecting to collect and what you actually would collect but more specifically to your question RJ yes warm safe dry is highly contingent upon the levy which is also increasing capital projects allocations to by 15% each year we're sliding past about $3 million worth of contributions this year and by the end of 2025 that number will be in the high five million to fully fund warm safe try all right so seeing none in terms of public participation Mr President we can move on to the actual contemplation of the adoption of the yes so does anybody have any further questions my only note that I was going to say before I call for a motion is you know the thing that I hear from people all the time is well why are you asking more than the 5% that's allow able so you explained that earlier is because the the maths as my wife and I joke at the house are sometimes push it below that and then that would cap you at that for this year which means that 3% five you know three and a half percent or whatever you can't get is gone forever as it again debatable but it that's money that is no longer accumulating and compounding as you get more money from it you know from that growth later it's lost so um that's the primary question I kind of hear from people about that I don't have any other comments I agree that it seems a little backwards that you're doing a levy decision and a budget before it you know but it's unfortunately like you say many times about many other things in our budgetary and financial process and districts and it's the way we roll yeah any other questions for Tony before I call for a motion okay I will T entertain a motion to adopt the 2023 tax levy as presented so moved go ahead I heard Danielle Danielle all right second second by Aaron Cindy please lead us in a roll call Vote Yes Meadows yes AR yes kber yes sler yes thank you motion passes Tom is there now that we're done with all the fun stuff Tom is there anything you and the administration would like to comment on this evening yeah uh just a few things to share this evening um so it is been been a year since I sat in front of the board this evening as Todd had alluded to uh earlier tonight and um I I you know I've I've said this a few times and I just wanted to say it again you know I just want to thank all the various stakeholder groups both inside of BPS 101 and also within our communities that we serve um for such a tremendous welcoming and uh willingness to partner willingness to sit at the table and talk and and partner together on different things um you know I've so Rob and Danielle and Raquel you were not um you know in the process when I was that I was going through but I just kind of want to highlight that my hope is as we continue to work together with the administration the board um our Bea and Besa uh colleagues as well that some of the things I talked about in that process are what we're going to continue to be really Relentless about in pursuing and one of several of those commitments we're talking about creating a a sense of belonging in this District that our students our staff and that people have an ability to feel like BPS 101 is a place for them um I think it's a great School District great communities that are a part of our school district but I think with any great organization we also know then we should always keep working towards greater and better and and I think there's room for that and and so far with our strategic plan survey that we launched we're getting that feedback you know I think there's a lot of positive things there's also a lot of things that people are sharing that are areas for us to consider in terms of our growth um the other thing we had talked about was um you know making sure that we're elevating students and the focal point about all the work we do here is about our students and you know hopefully that is another aspect that we're going to continue to engage in um as we keep moving forward uh that's part of why we did decide as a team here to move forward a little bit more on AG of an aggressive timeline with that strategic plan process right and I just wanted to share with the board that you know up to this date we have over a thousand responses uh we're hoping for more I want to thank uh Todd and Mara for encouraging their members and reminding them to also complete the Sur uh we've had a lot of parent feedback as well um and so with that yesterday we completed our student uh Bulldog Ambassador training these uh just to remind everybody as I shared earlier this semester are students will be facilitating and leading the conversations and leading this process for the district um last night's training uh was just a tremendous opportunity and reminder as to why we should entrust these kinds of things to our students um if you were there last night you would have saw fourth graders through seniors working together in an environment where not only were they collaborating but you could see some of our older students leading some of our younger students creating a mentoring opportunity while they were also all focused on how they're going to lead at on January 8th in the afternoon uh when we meet for our Institute day super exciting um the steering committee for this process we will be meeting tomorrow evening for our first steering committee meeting um Aon kilberg and Rob arandu you both are board reps but we'll have key stakeholder reps as well as part of the steering committee and um the first meeting will be to review the uh on on our agenda will be to review the process talk about where our survey status is before we close it um and you know go over any Q&A kind of things that the steering committee may have just as a reminder the steering committee will be the kind of the accountability um portion to this entire process so that when we are done those that are on that steering committee can vouch for the fact that they got to see the raw data they saw how we synthesized everything throughout the process and that each step that we took so when we come back to the board for final approval near the end of the school year you will know that the steering committee was able to see everything along the way and during those checkpoint meetings giving feedback to me confirming or affirming things look like they're matching all the feedback we've been getting and that the the goals Vision strategic ideas all lying to what the feedback was throughout the process so very excited about that that um also want to make sure we congratulate two people who have been one of our stakeholder partners for the district for a long time um recent announcement was the uh announcement of the citizens of the year for bavia in Marge and Dave Brown so I just want to give them a little shout out for all the work they've done uh Marge especially being one of the very first people who welcomed me in with some of the work and the community engagement here so wanted to say thanks to that um and then before saying happy holidays and to and a great winter break to everyone I do want to thank uh Todd and Mara for trusting the process right off the bat with this strategic plan and being really supportive to the administration team that supports the work they they help clear the path and then Cindy I really appreciate all your support I'm nothing can be done without Cindy so I really appreciate that and um and again the best part of us is our students so you know thank our students for everything and what's to come so with that I hope everyone has a great winter break see you next year board member colleagues is there anything anyone would like to add or as if the answer was no but go ahead are you starting down yeah if you sure sure um just to support I please definitely fill out those surveys you know the main ability for us to really hear everyone's voices and to understand everything through is through those surveys um it there's been a lot of work behind it and the work going forward is going to depend on it so please please please share the word make sure that they're getting filled out um for me this is like a really heavy meeting so I just want to say to the public and to you guys I mean in full transparency these are like really hard decisions and they're not taken lightly and I know this is only some of the conversations and thought processes that come out um you know know I definitely think about the people who are not in this room you know we listen to members of best bu speak and you know how everyone is affected and it's it doesn't go it doesn't fall from here I we take everything seriously I take everything seriously and um just really hard decisions this meeting um so thank you for walking us through everything thank you for the board for asking some questions and just kind of trying to make sense of what we can and do the best that we can um with what we have um so I just I feel like you can't make everyone happy but just do know that we listened and um I hope we can continue forward to to making choices that will really make differences for the kids and and hopefully they're the right choices in the end um on a better note I just want to go back full circle to the beginning of the meeting to Chris even though he's not here um he has been such a mentor an accomplice with some amazing things and a really great friend um his trickle Dawn effect is really really amazing to get to to witness um from Amber to running for school board to students and other members of the community it's not just it doesn't just stop at the school district um This falls into tying our youth into our um elderly generations and really how to tie in our community um to learn from each other to accept each other and to really Bridge a lot of the gaps and I've already watched some of that happen and I know that trick Aon effect is just going to keep happening so it's really really cool to see him acknowledged also we've heard about Amber being acknowledged and that is a true trickle down from that without that support and those safe spaces where you can hear each other speak and really just kind of be supportive and no you're not alone in this it's huge so I hope that everyone in the community can feel that and really understand understand that I I know that the equity work can be seen as kind of a debatable topic you know or just kind of like a Hot Topic button but it really does touch everyone's lives it's not just the marginalized Community this is for everybody and it really does lift the entire community so I'm just super proud of him and just wanted to tag that along and with that happy holidays to everyone see you next year yeah my turn uh so uh thank you for your comments seel I want to start by saying uh like I always do thank you to everyone who came and gave voice to their concerns or critiques of what we're doing or their thoughts on just general subjects or reached out to us via email or on the street or on M at Limestone stop me and uh ask me questions it's really essential to the work we do as R.J mentioned you know we don't do anything without really feedback from the community so it's essential to what we do so I thank them for that want to congratulate my colleague and friend Chris low you know I think back to when my process started he was one of my first mentors one of the first people I sat down with so yeah his impact is wide ranging I also want to thank uh the board secretary Cindy Rodriguez uh every time we have a meeting she prints out she kills a couple trees for me uh every time I have a request she say laptop out of the way yeah what is this thing throw that away give me a piece of paper um but uh she gets things done she keeps us organized she keeps us informed she makes sure that we can have the information available to us that we need to make decisions so I want to thank Cindy for our hard hard work um and then I just want to thank our partners for all their work I want to thank the the team here that puts these reports together it's a lot of work uh to generate them and make them understandable and then to be able to answer questions so thank you for that um on a heavy your note I want to send my condolences to the family and friends of Geneva freshman I'm not sure why I'm getting so emotional James Oliver I don't know the family um you know he's not he was not a student of BPS 101 but I feel in the Fox Valley and the Duane we are all a family um and I I have a freshman son so when you hear something like that it's it's hard so uh you know I just want to let them know for supporting them uh I want to congratulate our Illinois State Scholars Dr Smith announced 76 of them my daughter Emma kilberg was one of them we're very proud of all of them for their academic Excellence it speaks to how hard they work and also hard work our teachers and mentors work with them so we should all be very proud of them um I also want to share a couple things I saw firsthand uh last night I was at the fifth grade band and Orchestra concert at the BAC uh led by our instructors Lisa Hatfield Mr and Mrs oath and Mr Buckley if you wanted to be an environment of uh exuberant joy that was the place to be I'm not sure how Mrs Hetfield is able to contain all of that it was an hourlong concert getting them on and off the stage several times uh listening to the performances but um they are open to the public so if you ever have a chance to one of those uh and what is remarkable is uh you know most of that performance is uh enjoying their enthusiasm but then as you see them progress and you see like where Craig's kids were the Improvement is just unimaginable actually even if you just go from year to here so it's exciting to be a part of and uh again I would encourage people to uh take advantage of those opportunities and then uh another thing I was able to witness was um I just like to point things out we have a tendency I feel like as a board and as a community as a district to recognize you know there's certain people are groups of students that get a lot of Praise uh athletes uh I'm not denigrating them but um you know if you walk into the gym there's life-size posters of the seniors in there which is great we should congratulate them but I always feel like we should really be doing more to recognize those people who are good citizens who are kind and so my neighbor uh Riley Cheeseman he got called to the principal's office when I was a kid that was a bad thing but in this case it was a good thing he gotta sit down and he got to make a phone call with with the principal and call his parents and say he was recognized as the student of the month and how you attain that is through academic Excellence participation in class uh and in your activities but really one of the biggest drivers is leadership and being a positive influence for your fellow students and so I think it's wonderful that we do that these kids should really be held forth as this is what we're trying to do because my mentor from an earlier stage was Virgil Murray he was a principal for over 30 years in the town I grew up and he I would say you know Mr Murray what are we trying to do and he said we're trying to produce good people good citizens good neighbors who are productive that's our mission in my opinion and Riley cheeseman's an example of that so congratulations to him um and then at the end I just want to again say uh happy holidays Merry Christmas be safe recharge and we'll get back to work in 20124 thank you Rob I'm GNA keep it very short here so I just uh wish everyone happy Holidays happy New Year look forward to a very productive collaborative 2024 um James Oliver family condolences really that's such a tragic thing and um I'm thinking about them and and the the school and all the students uh really tough way to end the year of course but I mean obviously it's never a good time for such a strategy strategy I'm sorry I'm losing my words CU yeah it's it's really really rough um so I hope the family is doing their best they can to to you know take comfort in each other um congratulations again to Chris um really miss having him on the board always love hear what he has say and um he did not disappoint tonight so Chris thank you very much and congratulations um also to this team that the admin um everyone here you all are really great um I know I pepper you with questions sometimes and you always have thoughtful answers so I appreciate it and it does take me sometimes two three times to say what say it again say it again you figure out the right way to say it to me and I finally get it so I appreciate it really do um and with the board here really appreciate tonight it was really good conversation um it was nice to end the year with some action and not just well it's a it's winter break let's just take it easy so for pushing us towards that and for us having some good conversation I really appreciate that everyone I'm really happy that there's seven of us that do this because I definitely don't feel like I always understand the the right way to go with things so I appreciate that um on a happy note last week my daughter had a Str performance at the bavia public library so that was very exciting um she is one of only two sixth graders in the strings group that's composed in seventh and eighth graders so that was really fun to see um and then uh just wishing all the students faculty and everyone a safe break all right um mine will be fairly brief because I'm just going to point out that uh everybody else talked about music almost but me so I'm in a join in I know I'm in a weird position now that I am I am you know my kids are out um and back visiting from college and one's doing a music minor so I get to kind of experience from AAR like his grandparents did here but you know um you guys can take up the mantle that's fine I'll start inviting you yeah that's okay but um you know it it's kind of a weird position to be in when i'ms are not like focus on something that you know my kids aren't super invested in anymore right and so now it's more it's like more kind of real to me in a lot of ways so um my wife has managed the fact that we don't have concerts to go to because I just finished up renovating our bathroom so um one thing I forgot to mention their student ambassadors were not here today they are off studying for finals so uh we wish them luck on that I'm sure they do not need it um and then the last couple of things one is uh we just came back uh about a week or two a couple weeks ago from triple ey which is a kind of of a a state conference for various levels of kind of Illinois school boards and and others organizations and some of the things that I had offhandedly mentioned to you as we were talking are showing up today like if you guys had not noticed we're not calling names in a very specific Order anymore of alphabetical it's getting randomized every time just so that everybody doesn't feel like they got to be first or last or following a vote so that the intent is to make people feel that they're making decisions for themselves not reacting to what everybody else is saying right so um and then U see other changes that I've seen over the past year of this board being far more dialogue oriented than we ever have been in the past so I definitely appreciate that um and then I do also appreciate everybody's um willingness to kind of work with me as my close my first portion of the year as a board president and have people to help me remind me when I jump an entire action item so I appreciate that um and then all of the discussions that are happening behind the scenes I I don't know whether it's because I see them now more than I did before um but they are definitely happening and I think by and large they are good things and everybody's learning stuff and getting to the right information so with that what I will end with is um to our staff Administration and teachers um my wife and I often debate about what do you call this respit because a break never seems quite to have the gravitas that it needs to have um as she works in a school District but a rest fit just seems weird too so um whatever you want to call it enjoy it you deserve it um we look forward to having you all back but please enjoy your time with friends and family um time is limited time is short and we want to make sure everybody um gets the moment to be able to spend it with those that they love and care about so thank you everybody have a great holiday and I will entertain a motion to adjourn so much you with a two for today yeah second Rob stepping in all in favor I you say no again RJ I I I it is now 9:17 and the meeting is adjourned thank
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will not be called to speak this is a consensus among the board to implement this procedure for purose of public hearing tonight yes yes thank you transl for andrin and Spanish are available if requested at this time can the man um mandin translator Mr V Zing please translate the 7:15 cut off time if you can come to the podium please the following will be mandering announcement thank you thank you Mr z uh also um Adriana Garcia Medina can please the translators in Spanish please Charter topnotch steam Academy charter thank you can you please place your vote on the agenda we have a a first and second motion I can take a hand boote board member B yes board member arianis yes board member Greer yes and board member benas yes yes five and know thank you you can please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the for all thank you very much the board will now move on agenda item 2.1 public hearing on the charter petition to establish a topnotch steam Academy we will now open and convene a public hearing at 7:04 pm on the charter petition that was submitted to the district to establish topnotch steam Academy as shared during the prior public hearing held on the on the petition the petitioners seek to establish a new classroom based Charter School to serve students in transitional kindergarten through 8ighth grade the charter school would offer a English Mandarin D language emerging program with a steam Focus for students as required by law the board received a detailed staff report that included an evaluation of the petition and supporting documents staff in conjunction with the district legal council analyze the legal requirements set forth in the English in the educational code to determine whether the petition meets the minimum standards for approval the staff report includes the review team finding an opinion that the petition does not meet the minimum requirements to re eligible for approval the staff report was on December's website and provided to the to the lead petition petitioners at least 15 days to this meeting as required under the educational code this public hearing is required to be held before the board may take action to Grant or deny the petition as part of this public hearing the board will provide District staff and petitioners for topn stream Academy with equal time and procedures to address the staff findings of fls and recommendations on the petition hearing public comments on those findings and recommendations and considers the admission preferences in the petition as for procedure the district the district review team and the petitioners will each have 20 minutes to address the board and present or respond to any information concerning the proposed finding and recommendation the petitioners will receive no no less than 20 minutes to make their presentation that means that if the district R viw team presentation is less than 20 minutes the petitioners will still be afforded a total of 20 minutes to make their presentation following such presentation the board will receive comment from any member of the public including on the admission preferences then the board will have the opportunity to ask questions or make any comments deliberate and take action to approve or deny the petition please note that the board by law 9323 provides that individual speakers are allowed to speak three minutes to address the board on each item on each agenda item and board will limit the total number for public input to 20 minutes however to ensure that a full opportunity for public input the board president May with the board consensus adjust the amount of time allowed for public input and or time allotted for each speaker further in order to ensure that non-speaking English receive the same opportunity to direct address the board any member of the public who utilizes a translator shall be provided twice the a lotted time to address the board translators for Mandarin and Spanish are available if requested as a reminder if any of the member of the public wishes to speak on this matter they must submit a blue card or raise their hand on Zoom by no later than 7:15 any new blue card sub or raised hands in Zoom will not be considered after 7:15 in addition a member of the public shall not permit to yield their time to another member of the public and the speakers must present excuse me and the speakers must be present with their name when their name is called there is a consensus among the board to implement these procedures for purpose of public hearing is there a consensus yes yeah yes yes thank you at this time can the Mion translator please translate the 715 cut off time so yield or yielding time and they must be present at this time at 7:08 thank you thank you can the Spanish translator Miss Garcia Medina please come forward thank you we will now turn the presentation or statements by the district and the petitioners first does any member of The District staff or review team desire to speak on on a presentation or comment on the staff report findings of facts and recommendations please note that you will have a total of 20 minutes to address the board yes uh board president thank you uh Miss LaTasha Jamal is going to put a presentation uh up on the on the um screens so good evening ready okay good evening board president Rodriguez Peña and fellow board members uh this evening cabinet our legal counselor Miss lesie locker and I will be presenting key aspects of the district's staff report a fact and recommendation on the topnotch steam Academy charter petition as you know oh sorry next slide as you know the topnotch steam Academy chter petition was submitted on September 28th 2023 the district commenced the petition review timelines when it received a signed certification of complet completeness from the lead petitioner on October 4th this slide shows the timelines that were followed by the district related to the petition and refle reflects the first public hearing on the petition the capacity interview with the petitioners the publication of the district's staff report of proposed findings and recommendation which was also sent to the lead petitioner on the same date and this evening's second public hearing I would also like to note that yesterday morning the lead petitioner sent my assistant a written response to the staff report which was addressed to the Board of Education that same morning I forwarded a copy of the written response to the entire board the purpose of the second public hearing is for the board to consider the charge school's preferences and to consider and take action admissions preferences and to consider and take action to approve or deny the petition I will now outline some of the key aspects of the proposed Charter School the lead petitioner Christina Sue submitted a petition to establish an independent classroom based Charter School Miss Su is asking for a five-year Charter term beginning on July 1st 2024 and ending on June 30th 2029 according to the petition the charge school would offer an English Mandarin dual language immersion for students with a steam project-based learning Focus this program this program would be designed as a two-way 50/50 dual language immersion model in which approximately 50% of instruction would take place in English and approximately 50% of instruction would take place in Mandarin the petitioner is looking to serve students in transitional kindergarten through 8th grade at full implementation I will now turn it over to our legal councel U Miss lesie Locker to address the legal requirements for the consideration and of Charter petitions thank you superintendent Ortega and good evening members of the board I'll provide a brief overview of the petition requirements to establish a charter school which are set out in the Education Code the charter schools Act of 1992 provides a set of standards and criteria for a school board to determine whether a charter petition should be approved or denied in reviewing petitions for the establishment of charter schools the governing board of school district shall Grant a charter petition if it is satisfied that approved the petition is consistent with sound educational practice and with the interest of the community in which the charter school is proposing to locate the school board must also consider the academic needs of the students that the charter school proposes to serve a school board however may not deny a petition unless it makes written factual findings specific to the particular petition which set for specific facts to support one or more of the legal grounds for denial we will be addressing those legal grounds and the corresponding findings of fact that the district's review team has developed concerning the petition which are also articulated in the staff report that was published first we will provide a brief summary of the evaluation process that the district implemented for purposes of the petition review after the petition was submitted the district superintendent established a review team of senior Administration from multiple District departments who have expertise and extensive knowledge in various areas of school operation ations the district's review team performed a detailed and comprehensive evaluation of the petition spanning all areas relevant to a charter schools operation the district's review team also conducted what is referred to as a capacity interview which is intended to assess whether the petitioners have the capacity or the ability to successfully implement the program described in the charter petition this is a valuable opportunity to gather information on the governance and Leadership team's experience and expertise to assess their knowledge of the laws and practices applicable to Charter Schools and to obtain further detail or clarification on items or questions that emanate from that petition review with that framework we would like to turn the board's attention to the proposed findings of fact that the district review team had identified the first finding of fact in the staff report identifies those sections of the petition that were considered by the review team to overall meet the minimum evalu criteria described in law even though there may have been some concerns or minor deficiencies in the descriptions of those items these included components of the petition addressing the required affirmations and assurances annual independent Financial audits student discipline procedures Retirement Systems Public School attendance Alternatives poost employment rights of employees closure procedures and the Declaration that the charge school would serve as the exclusive Public School employ employer finding of fact number two addresses the district review team's concerns that the petition presents an unsound educational program for the students enrolled in the charter school as was shared earlier the petitioner is looking to establish an English Mandarin dual language immersion program for students with the goal of attracting a balance of native English and Mandarin Chinese speakers to enroll while this may be the goal the petition lacks any meaningful explanation of how the charter school would serve non-native English or Mandarin speakers this would result in the exclusion of of a substantial number of students within the district when considering that approximately 48% of the district's population does not speak English or Mandarin as their first language this includes most notably native Spanish speakers this would likely result in a significant educational access barrier for our district families additionally the proposed curriculum uh has no clear curricular path there is a lack of clear articulation across grade levels and there is no meaningful discussion as to how the program and materials would be aligned with the applicable California State Standards this is especially concerning given given that there is a heavy emphasis placed on the use of steam instruction yet the description of how the Next Generation science standards mathematics standards and art standards will drive instruction in the units Des cribed is vague and underdeveloped significantly the petitioner's approach to addressing the needs of English Learners and students with disabilities is significantly lacking in detail for example the fact that there is no clear defined designated English language development instruction or curriculum for English Learners is problematic and shows a lack of understanding of the Charter's obligation to provide a sound education for these students these are some of the many examples of emissions and deficiencies in the petition that undermine the soundness of the program and call into question whether the proposed model would provide a meaningful educational benefit to students especially those representing some of the district's most vulnerable populations finding a fact number three provides a detailed summary supporting the district review review team's position that the petitioners are demonstrably unlikely to successfully implement the proposed English Mandarin dual language immersion program our team has serious concerns regarding the petitioner proposal to serve students across six grade level spans in the first year of operation of a dual language immersion program there is no meaningful discussion in the petition as to how the charter would serve students entering in the upper grade levels if they are native English speakers or English Learners without any formal instruction in the Mandarin language given that the Fidelity of the model depends on maintaining an appropriate balance of native speakers in the target language here Mandarin and native English speakers the review team expected that this would be addressed in the petition however little attention of any was paid to the issue best practice indicates that a successful dual language immersion program be built one grade level at a time starting in TK or kindergarten for purposes of target language acquisition so it is unclear how the petitioners would tailor the program to address these critical aspects to support student learning also based on the language in the petition and comments made by the petitioner during the first public hearing and capacity interview it is obvious the petitioner is Desiring to create a charter school to to serve a distinct Asian subgroup residing in the Northeast region of the district which would be at the exclusion of of a vast majority of our families in ausa the district review team also identified deficiencies in the Charter School's proposed Staffing plan and plan for professional development there is limited uh number of appropriately credentialed and experienced teachers who are authorized to instruct in Mandarin since there is an extensive bilingual authorization process required in California there is also a lot of competition among other language immersion programs because qualified teachers are in such short supply although Miss Shu identified some strategies to attract qualified teaching staff including potential Partnerships with certain programs and attracting teachers from Taiwan there is no clear reliable plan to identify to indicate that the chared school could secure enough teachers with the their bclad or fing authorization to fill these roles which are essential to the implementation of the proposed model this is further exacerbated by the fact that the employee qualification section of the petition is deficient and does not specify all of the required or necessary education California based authorizations and experience needed of certification staff to be to teach at the school the proposed financial and operational plan for the charter school is also Pro problematic and is based on unrealistic assumptions during the review of the charter school's financial documents which included a budget narrative firste budget multi-year projections and cash flow documents several issues were identified in relation to the proposed petition while the staff report addresses these issues in detail I will will highlight some of the significant ones that were found particular with regards to projected revenues although the cola cost of living adjustment percentage of 3.94% was used for the budget documents the newly projected Cola for the 2425 is significantly less the current budget reserve of 5% will not account for the projected decrease in the cola though we acknowledge that the lower Cola was not available at the time of submission the budget as it stands would be out of balance as the cola would result in a projected Revenue loss of over $400,000 in the first operational year the projections for enrollment are not realistic and may lead to a significant overestimation of the charter schools Revenue received through State funding in case the Charter School's expected unduplicated pupil percentage count does not come to fruition during the first fiscal year it could cause substantial revenue losses the petitioners have projected their Revenue based on the average daily attendance of 95% Which is higher than the district's Ada rate of 90% however there is no explanation provided in the petition or the budget documents to support the use of an inflated Ada rate if the actual attendance rate Falls below 95% it could lead to a significant decrease in state revenues and put the charter school's financial stability at risk findinding of fact number four addresses the number of petition signature is required for approval the petitioner anticipates employing 12 full-time teaching positions and therefore would need at least six petition signatures from teachers who are meaningfully interested in teaching at the charter school to meet the legal requirements the petition includes six signatures however only one of the teachers specifically lead petitioner Christina shu is authorized to teach Mandarin because she holds a b clat authorization this was problem atic for the review team because Miss Sue is slated to serve as both the principal of the charter school and as the board president of the nonprofit corporation that would operate and govern the charter school given this extensive involvement in all aspects of the startup and operation of the charter school it is unrealistic to assume that she would simultaneously serve as a teacher in the first year of operation therefore when excluding Miss shu's signature from the total teacher signature count this reduces the total amount of valid teacher signatures to five which is insufficient to meet the signature requirements under the Education Code finding a fact number five concerns the various elements in the petition that based on the review teams evaluation do not contain reasonably comprehensive descriptions to be mindful of the time allotted for this presentation I will not describe each individually but I will identify the elements where the review team found substantial deficiency that resulted in this finding these include the descriptions of the educational program the measurable student outcomes and methods for measuring student progress the governance structure employee qualifications health and safety procedures the balance of students from different subgroups Admissions and Lottery procedures dispute resolution procedures and Facilities providing reasonably comprehensive descriptions of these elements is critical in order for the district to assess the efficacy of the proposed Charter program and operations however given the number of deficiencies and omissions in these elements the district lacks confidence that the petitioners could implement the charter school with Fidelity and uphold the legal mandates applicable to Charter Schools finding of fact number six is perhaps one of the most notable findings included in the staff report which concerns the impact of the charge school on our isua community this finding allows the district to consider the impact that the charge school was have on vulnerable student populations district and school programs and on Staffing and operations particularly in the area where the charter school intends to locate after giving significant and careful consideration to the proposed program it is the district review team's position that the proposed charter school would substantially undermine existing Services as well as academic and program programmatic offerings for students cause a negative impact on the district's fiscal condition and Staffing and and limit diversity and access to the charter school for the district significant student subgroups student staff Community have weather significant up upheaval in the last three years due to school reorganization we saw a total of six schools closed which included a high school and all of the middle schools this does not include the two schools that were previously closed about 5 years ago layer on top of this the impact of covid-19 and cannot help but understand what azuza has been through the staff report includes extensive details supporting this community impact finding and describes how the proposed charter school would threaten the district's fiscal solvency program offering for students and educational access to students specifically those who are not native English or Mandarin speakers these are all very real concerns which have been expressed not only in the staff report but by a significant number of of members within our community who have shared their opposition or concerns publicly therefore the district review team has proposed this finding because the approval of the petition would have a pro profound and adverse Community impact on the district again the district's recommendation on the petition is based on the propings of fact described in the staff report and shared with you this evening based on the totality of information received and as described in the prop findings of facts in the staff report the district recommends that the Board of Education adopt the district's staff's of fact and deny the petition to establish the topnotch steam Academy thank you so much we turn it over to board president to see if there are any questions thank you um thank you superate um Ortega and is cabinet and Miss Locker the petitioners for topnotch Academy will have a total of 20 minutes to address the board and make a presentation or comment so you can please come forward your time will begin now good evening honorable members of the board superintendent and District staff my name is Samantha Cho from icon School management and we were responsible for creating the school's five-year budget projection along with the school leaders we have submitted our detailed responses to all of the district's fiscal findings and the TN response to staff report but I wanted to take this opportunity to highlight some of the responses while we appreciate the district re reviewing tnsa proposed budget we felt that the fiscal findings that were included in the staff report were speculative erroneous and failed to identify a valid legal basis for a denial of the charter the first example I would like to direct you to is one of the district findings that state quote the district acknowledges that the new Cola was released on November 16th after the submission of the petition although the reduction in Cola was not known at the time of the submission the current 5% budgeted reserves cannot account for this projected decrease in Cola end quote as the district mentions the budget was developed for submission on September 18th which was 2 months prior to the recent Cola estimate announcement for the next school year the district cannot possibly expect us to predict the future and use those expectations in our budget projections budgets must be based on latest available information when the budget is developed which is exactly what we did further the 1% Cola expectation announcement was at best an estimate and has since changed and we have and we expect that estimate to further change during the governor's January budget proposal and the May Revis another similar example is a finding regarding our estimates of the up or UND duplicated pupil percentage as you may already know the UND unduplicated people percentage generates additional revenues our budget projected a highly conservative estimate of having 60% up based on the district's 8627 up rate even with this conservative approach the district states that quote if the 60% up does not materialize tnsa would have a loss in Revenue end quote and that our budget thus overestimates the revenues this is an unrealistic speculation at best as we already conservatively estimated that a 20.27% lower up than that of the district and on this basis this cannot possibly be a reason for denial lastly the district states that there are deficiencies in the cash flow projections in our budget we didn't include any revenues for July through September well it is understandable that this can seem to be a reason for concern the reason why we didn't include revenues for the first three months of the school year is because new Charter Schools don't receive any revenues in the first three months of operation instead new Charters apply for pensc or pupil estimates for new and significantly expanding Charters and this generates the first payment in September October time frame through the special Advance apportionment it is clear that the district does not understand the funding process for new charter schools and have erroneously included this as a fiscal finding all of the district's fiscal findings followed a similar pattern where the findings were speculative and erroneous and we have thus responded to each finding in detail we hope that you take this into careful consideration when making a decision tonight thank you good evening honorable member of ausa Board of Education mrga superintendent and Aus staff my name is Christina Sue I'm the lead partitioner of the topn steam Academy I'm here today to respond of the ausa UniFi School District staff report we appreciate the time spent by The District staff in reviewing the tnsa charter petition and supporting material however we disagree with the proposed finding in the staff report and are troubled by the lack of a comprehension of a dual emotion program that's evident of a staff report the staff report demonstrate not only a misunderstanding of tnsa educational program and a requirement for a charter petition but also a lack of careful reading of the petition that was submitted the proposed finding are inaccurate and should not be adopt by The District Board of Education our Charter petition exceeds an requirement for approval by the district the staff's uh report accusation that tnsa is specifically targeting Asian students to the exclusion of other students of other background is shocking once again this reflects an anti- Asian or anti-chinese sentiment that stands in contrast of the proactive engagement that is encouraged when it comes to other community tnsa has in fact engaged in Outreach with Asian family something that is not against the law but we uh VI mentally disagree with any tion that we have done so to exclusion of family without a background the staff report accusation of tnsa has excluded non- Asian student is also repent considering the statistic on Asian family under representation of the district itself one of the main reason we submit this petition was to imediate the under representation of Asian student in the district enrollments based on 2021 estimates Asian students comprise has only 1.6% of students in the district even though approximately 11% of the student age population in the city of ausa identify as Asian cated differently the population of Asian student at District school is nearly seven times smaller than the total population of Asian students in Asia so my effort to draw Asian students back into public education to enroll or reenroll in the local public school system should be praised not to condemned it is unfathomably why the district is so averse to the fact that my me as a Asian-American woman seeks to increase the number of the Asian students enroll in the local public school system including Asian-American families in the public education system is not the exclusion of the detriment of a student without a background and especially when Asian students themselves are evidently the one who have been excluded from the district whether accidentally or intentionally the district decision of disagree disregard my name from the signature of the teachers who are meaningfully interested in teaching at tnsa violates the established law the Act was created in part to provide opportunity for teachers parents pupil and Community member to establish maintain school that operate independently from the existing School District structure my ability to serve as a leadership capacity at tnsa and as a teacher is not only realistic but is expressly complet by the ACT needless to say I have already proven my ability to serve in the leadership and teaching capacity simultaneously through the Dual imersion popups program in the summer of 2023 I not only serve as a teacher in that program but also founded the program itself held daily meeting with for sumary program staff train other fow teachers by observing their up classroom and providing individual feedback and greet all student attending the summer program every morning and ensure that knew where to attend a class if everyone has experienc serving as in a leadership capacity and as a teacher and that's me the charter articulate a wide range of plan to promoting engagement and Outreach with family found diverse background our community outreach plan includes at least night preschool for day Care Center to Religion Center which includes both a Buddhist temple and Adusa Hispanic Four Square Church and a Memorial Park nor uh Recreation centera City library and the California uh Pediatric and Family Service we plan to release all Communication in English Spanish and M Chinese at the very least including fire with information on how to apply links to our website a phone number and invitation to community meeting all application material will be available in English Spanish men Chinese with other languages upon requests from the interest parents likewise the charter school family student handbook will be printed in at least English Spanish and mention language we acknowledge that the engagement material themselves are currently being developed and the school does not yet have Spanish version for certain form that you will eventually have naturally we have not assembled all of our material given that school is not yet authorized it is unreasonable for district to suggest the charter school dis sueding non-english maner native speaker from attending simply based on the fact that we currently lack Spanish language form while ignoring all other information we mentioned in the charter at the same time the district own action of the public hearing disuade native mention speaker from having their voice heard in the previous public hearing regarding the petition we wish note that our communy supports signature that in appendix one in our Charter petition feature multiple signatures from families of Hispanic background and other background they are clearly not just Asian a child CH cannot be denied under the factor of The Superficial reasons such as a district own declining enrollment or because of the district decide the charters program the the charter school program is not unique enough for or in demand in enough or the district plans to offer a similar program in the future year it cannot be denied simply because of the charter school program could theoretically be replicated and it cannot be denied simply because there are other school in the community with a capacity for more students if this is where the law it would be allow a school district or opportunely and unilaterally should change parents by denying them quality School of a choice in every instance denying Parents Choice for the sake of a district being able to keep all Charter out of their boundary was not an intent of assembly Bill 1505 yet this is exactly what denial of this Charter petition would do the physical impact analysis in the staff report relies solely on the Lost revenue of Staff the district failed to consider other factors too such as its own obvious reduction in expenses such as a result of serving fewer students and the fact that tnsa will need to hire teachers from the community and therefore will add jobs California's public education funding follows the student this fact alone means that very existence of the childish School in the school district will lead to the dis uh redistribution of a public education funding if even one child leaves the district to attend a childish School the key is that such funding belong to the student not the school district quality Charter School do not take funds from school district they serve students many of have excited um ex access public education all together as is the case of the many families who are likely to seek enrollment at tnsa and public education dollars do not belong to the school district they belong to students the tnsa charter cannot be denied simply because some students may choose to attend a charter school instead of District school which could lower the district Revenue in fact tnsa program would uniquely increase the district's Revenue tnsa withdraw many students particularly Asian students into the local public education system for the first time or who who otherwise would never have returned to the district school the district seem to have a forgot gotten that it would be benefit from the arrangement since charter school authorizer May charge and receive 1% of the revenue of a chared school Under Education Code section 47613 the fact that Lee P the fact that Li have been engaged in Outreach efforts with the rosale community as the staff report noted is supportive on the point since many rosale family do not attend district schools furthermore tnss programs serve only grade TK to a tnsa graduate entering ninth grade and above are well positioned to enroll in the local high school in the district whereas without tnsa they might never have the district dis disturbing misinterpretation of the law would in fact reward school district for inefficient and academically unsuccessful practices and result in a denial of efficient High performing charter school that in fact fits School secondary program the second prong of the analysis about whether the charter would substantially undermine already existing services or program in community again for context this finding is not a tool for school district to preserve all the its program and administrative Arrangement just for the sake of maintaining the school district status quo loss of downsizing District program prr do not justify the denial of a of a charter unless they would also have a substantial negative impact on students and family the staff report does not provide any evidence whatsoever of a negative impact on students rather than substantially under my existing program tnsa would add a new and unduplicated program sold by many family who are no longer attending district schools at all as for the third problem of analysis the district fails to recognize that District's lack of success in creating its own English Manion dual language Merion model has a little bearing on TNS own Prospect enthusiastic interest in our authentic research back back English Manion dual language immersion model exists now we have received interest from at least 81 member in the community many of when are now not they are not Asian we make no small point in the under line that one of the likely reason the district dual imersion effort were unsuccessful is because Menin speaking Community member will not actually heading up those efforts unlike tnss leadership team moreover none of the program list in the staff report as a district often involve Project based or interdisciplinary learning that is characteristic of steam as far as we can tell the program listed in the staff report are subject taught in the student in the silos not in a dynamic multimodal environment that steam offers and the program that will be offered at tnsa once again the district appear unable to grasp what is the concept of steam means in addition most of the family engagement opportunity of the staff report identify of this of section are literally required by law the School site Council elac deac and provide no basis on the denying our petition or any Charter petition for the matter last many of the program list in the staff report exists at practically any school art music and Stam related courses offering are common place this is exactly what makes tnsa educational program a steam based English Manion dual language program unlike any other the district offer under the charter school act the district should be guided by the intent of a legislature that Charter School are and should become a integral part of a California educational system and that the establishment of a charter school should be encouraged this very purpose of the ACT is to provide parents and people with expanded choices in the type of educational opportunity they are available within the public school system to improve pupil learning increase learning opportunity and provide vigorous competition with the public school system tnsa Charter petition fully meets the letter and then intend to a provision in the ACT they are not the narrow cherry pick provision cited by the district and the staff report simply put our is a strong petition deserved for the district support and approval we respectfully request that board approv tnsa Charter petition thank you very much for listening thank you very much for your presentation and comment Christina H and Top Notch Academy hope Anda h many blue cards do we have in hands raised I have 22 blue cards 22 thank you and we have four hands raised for a total of 26 speakers thank you the board will now receive comments from members of the public who desires to address this matter I I have a quick question point of order can can I ask a quick question before to clarify um so we have 48 in total uh speakers okay please clarify 26 total oh 26 thank you so there's four hands raised total okay so there's 26 total okay uh Ju Just uh question are are we allowing them the three minutes yes we are okay just to clarify just so it's all clarified and everybody knows at this time and just to clarify again we have um translators so there's not two people at the podium right okay I just want to clarify some people just came in so that that that's why I'm clarifying um and we have the translators in the front Okay Madame President thank you uh you're welcome I will call our first Speaker Mary Wong come to the porium please good evening a USD board members thank you for your time to consider this proposal you know I I'm impressed with the number of parents and teachers and students who are here this evening um and not only this evening but the prior hearing um and I think this demonstr Ates a very strong commitment to education um which I also share as a teacher educator specializing in language education you know my my graduate students have enjoyed the opportunities of volunteering hours uh of teaching at the home workhouse here in isua and it's been so helpful to both your students and to my student teachers um and I've also heard of Spanish dual language programs uh in the isua schools which is appropriate and so encouraging and I want to applaud that um I say this to highlight that I feel we're all working towards a similar goal and that is to help students learn and to prepare them to make a meaningful contribution in their communities I believe that this um proposed Charter School will do this and moreover that it will be mutually beneficial I understand the fears in this room of closing schools and programs of lost jobs tightening budgets I'm experiencing that as well uh as a teacher educator and I think it's precisely because of these hard times that we need new approaches and new programs and that they should be considered um I believe that this school could bring back the almost 10% of Asian students living in isua who are missing in the isua public schools and potentially feed them into asus's public high schools um once they graduated from tnsa after gr uh grade 8 um it can also serve non-asian students who want to learn um both Mandarin and English this would enable them to communicate with almost onethird of the world's population speak 7,000 languages but Mandarin and English that would be onethird of the speakers you know rather than a threat um this may be an opportunity and one that I hope will not be missed you know it's right for you to have concerns um but but please take the time to make data informed decisions as I believe that this is a is a strong proposal you know as a language educator who speaks Mandarin I actually taught Chinese at Apu um I was the lead researcher of a large multi-year government-led evaluation project um of language education in primary and secondary schools in Hong Kong um so I just can't help but be so excited about the potential of this school thank you Miss Wong your time is up oh okay thank you thank you can I have Genesis Lee so well I am a proud Mount of a special ed kid who actually enrolled in the school district I know most of you some of your teachers here and I was was a you know parent of a year probably not anymore after this speed but I firmly believe that our city and our children benefit from having educational options so contrary to the you know the concerns raised by the school districts and the teachers union I'm confident that the charter school will not harm the kid as the funding is intended for the benefit of the children so it is essential to prioritize the well-being and educational opportunities for our children over the interest of external entities parents should be empowered with choices that cater to diverse needs of our community so I do not really see topn as a competitor to the current schools um instead that it is likely to attract students who are currently not enrolling a USD um in especially in my community by bringing in the CH school we have opportunity to welcome back those families and who have chosen nearby school districts for their children's education this influx of students can contribute rute to the growth of our local schools benefiting both current and future students so given that top nudge only serves the TK to 8th grade it opens up a pathway for students to contribute their education within the Asuza high school and seers college systems this seamless transition can enhance the overall educational experience for our children and Foster a sense of a community within the district so furthermore the establishment of the CH school has been known to possibly impact property values in the city this increase in property values lead to additional tax revenues ultimately benefiting the city and its residents the long-term financial implications of such growth can contribute significantly to the overall prosperity of ausa so in conclusion um I urge the board members to consider um the potential benefits of support supporting the introduction of topn um school by doing so so we're not only at advocating for the school choice but also fostering the environment that prioritize the educational well-being and future succeed of our children thank you thank you very much next up Andrew cleer members of the board I'm here on behalf of my students and our community to demonstrate what it looks like to speak truth to power in this District you are the powers that be so here are some truths for you the truth is that you know your responsibilities are to make the best decision for our kids for their future for this community and nothing else the truth is is that all of you read the report put out by our district because that's your actual literal job to make the best decisions for our kids with the best information available and anything less would be a failure on your part as ausa's elected officials the truth is that the district put out a report with reason after reason as to why this charter school is so disorganized unprofessional ethnocentric financially damaging and just playing unable to meet even the most basic needs of our students and so much so that the district needed to use 36 pages to document everything wrong with this charter school I could plaster this wall with that report and you're telling me there's and they're telling me that there's nothing wrong with it the truth is that this meeting is not here to summarize the the board report for you because you read it right the truth is that accepting this charter school would be admitting to the community that the people elected to meet the educational needs of their children cannot do so without the help of an outside source and if you read the report which you totally did you would see how unprofessional disorganized and sad their proposal was we need to focus on our own issues in this community not take on the issues of this school the truth is that their petition would be laughable were it not for the fact that you are all seriously considering their proposal tonight this meeting is here to give the charter school an opportunity to call together a rebuttal to their embarrassing petition be before you make a decision the truth is however that the eyes of ausa have set their eyes upon you watching you watching to see where your allegiances lie if you make a decision that harms our kids that takes more resources from our kids that Nails the final coffin in this battered but still standing District I say to you that this community does not easily forget please reject this Tarter school I have nothing more to say on this matter thank you for your time next I like to call up Mr Rono no I don't think you do good evening my name is Ron Trestle and I am a teacher at isua high school I grew up in isza just above 10th Street as I got older I always thought that I would move on from muuza just like George Bailey from its Wonderful Life thought he would move away from bed for Falls turns out that I was wrong as a young boy of this community greatly influenced me my friends and my family were here we went to church together went to others houses hung out in the same church youth group played basketball Memorial Park and played baseball at the little league and pony league fields during this time I never felt excluded I was welcomed into the houses of my friends no matter what their race or religion I was a guy that ate all the food and then went back for seconds and thirds I was there at baptisms weddings and kinas yes I was that guy I was always included in never excluded I was loved and taken in by families I was never looked at any different there was never any thought of segregation just integration and learning all about culture and love here in isza as a supporter of public schools in the diverse community that we have in our schools it makes me upset to hear about this issue that we are considering bringing in a charter school this is my 20th year working for isua unified our district is about integration and inclusion it is about making sure that every student is given a high quality education by high quality High qualified teaching staff no matter one's race religion sexual orientation or disability we do not discriminate we need to stay unified as a school district we we cannot afford to fund a charter school while trying to maintain our own District we cannot afford to lose funding for programs that our students so dearly need or close schools like we have been forced to in the past due to decreasing enrollment I know that most of the board members have been raised here in zza and have attended the public school system here in isua I hope that you continue to make the effort to fully fund our district build our programs promote inclusion and diversity and keep our schools open I hope that you vote no on Charters thank you next IID like to call up Mr George Q too he's already there thank you all right uh good evening board members colleagues as a constituent of azuza and alumni from Aza unified I must protest the notion of introducing a charter school in this school district I will not only represent myself but also my family friends and neighbors who are concerned about the charter school in nauza the reasons why me and many other constituents disagree is because Charter Schools absorb funds from public schools in this case topnotch Academy will absorb up to $4 million annually from Auda schools from students staff teachers administrators and yes even programs leaving students vulnerable to depleting resources as cannot afford to bring a charter school for it will for it will be against the interest of our students and Community which brings me to the next concern about topn Academy that does not that does a poor job in representing and acknowledging the Latino community and the diversity of our of our students in his we in his website I don't I don't see a trace of Spanish for the many Spanish speaking families and students of azuza according to the district report to the topnotch academy it does not provide sufficient and detailed evidence for any effective and inclusive English Mandarin dual language immersion program as it does not address the needs of different student subgroups like English Learners or AKA Spanish speakers and of course students with disabilities their 50 to 5050 model of dual language immersion would exclude students who are not native speakers of of English and Mandarin which is about 48% of the student population or hundreds of students in the report of topn Academy has not clearly defined an eeld instruction for English Learners given the students demographics of districts this is a major problem and reflects as uh Miss kamacho has stated the lack of the lack of knowledge and understanding of the charter of school's obligation to provide a sound meaningful and legal legally compliant education for English Learners um I've spoken to other constituents as well and of course they see this charter school as a form of sub uh segreg um and of course some of our teachers have stated before in the meetings that why not work together to create an English Mandarin um dual program and of course a lot of constituents inza are seeing this that there's a bigger issue at hand here an issue that needs to be addressed um so these are some of the reasons that me um I as a constituent of Aza among many others are concerned about introducing charter schools in AA unified and of course I hope and we hope that the board will vote no and of course they're watching right now on how you guys will vote on this matter thank you thank you next up is EST compos M good evening board president Rodriguez paa board cabinet members colleagues and esteemed um citizens of our community our mayor as well I I come to you once again as a constituent of the city of Asuza and as an educator of 23 years in at asua Unified School District um I am deeply deeply concerned as a citizen of this wonderful City about the charter schools I came from a city that has allowed charter schools to come in and have seen the public education system nearly diminished at the high school level because of it with no benefit to the district at all I'd like to say to um the people that are here in support of topnotch steam Academy have you st foot on our campuses have you come in to see the great work that we do at AA unified have you looked at our dual immersion models now that we have them I keep hearing yes in the background but it obviously when what I'm seeing is exclusion I'm sorry I have I have the microphone right now thank you I'm seen exclusion as a teacher of ethnic studies I work very very hard to develop a program of inclusion including our students of all Races and to hear people say that we are discriminating against them as a as a district is heartbreaking it is heartbreaking I spent countless countless hours teaching students some of which are standing outside about what it means to be inclusive of other ethnic groups we welcome our students our Mandarin students into our schools Bor you have a decision to make you need to think about what's best for our kids all of our kids not a selective group of kids but all of them it is your responsibility I voted for every single one of you except for one because the laws changed otherwise I probably would have voted for you as well but but I have voted for all of you and I did it with good conscience and faith that I knew that you would make the right decisions for our kids so I'm standing here as your constituent asking you to make the right decisions for our community and for all of our students and not just for the interest of a few thank you thank thank you next next up Natalia via uh before the uh timer begins I'm the next One jacine S we're going to speak together no um individually please okay um good evening my name is Natalia via and I am a senior at isusa high school I would just like to start by saying how far that how far our district has come throughout the years and that this change would greatly affect us and all our new upcoming high schoolers K through a and everyone else involved such as parents and families we have greatly evolved throughout the years but this isn't to say that it has been easy we are Gladiators at heart as we have just moved to isusa this year as Gladstone was directed to shut down although this change is irreversible we miss our school environment dearly many others who take part in this District's education have noted that you have recently shut down numerous elementary schools all of our middle schools and our high school home Gladstone this is our final year in this district and both myself and my peers have been put through many difficult circumstances as a result of switching schools a USD has numerous successful young people who attend uc's Cal States and additional private schools across the country we apply to competitive programs have the potential to graduate college in three years and we obtain countless scholarships thanks to our amazing excellent teachers and our academic transcripts the claim that ausd lacks any programs is misleading information we personally believe that they offer plenty and that participation in these programs is low due to enrollment decrees many students are unaware of this plan that you are trying to impose on us why don't you consider student and instructor feedback why aren't the top notch recruiting our whole class because we don't fulfill your intelligence standards for your steam Academy because of our racial background a USD offers stem classes from elementary to high school all which are evolving we feel that if you were to add an immersion curriculum that this would greatly solve the problem instead of switching the whole district and having everyone go through change change is hard and we have already gone through it enough and adding to that change isn't going to help those who are already struggling thank you for your time and I hope tonight's decision is to vote against the petition and to allow our city to continue to thrive on its own as it has already been thank you okay okay thank you next you will have jacn canana good evening Board of Education and community members my name is jacqulyn Santana today we represent our peers at auza high school who couldn't make it today such as the Student Union the Souza medical Pathways the early college program AP classes student advisory Council cheer soccer HOSA Charter hospice and many more Community Schools were just introduced this year to all our schools including auua high school and we continue to learn about their benefits and determining what we can do to improve connections between students parents and faculty considering we are members of the Student Union We Carry Out Community circles to help students contribute to interactions as well as acquire comfort with one another in a classroom setting we address personal needs and ensure that everyone has a voice in and outside the classroom our school offers the chance to collaborate with International students to create welcoming environments many including myself are native Spanish speakers which have been marked as proficient in English throughout the years a USD provides a range of Spanish French and sign language lessons that appeal to all the levels of interest to expand our knowledge since the elementary level we have all gotten introduced to the art programs the stem clubs music to expand our likings as we move to the secondary level of Education we also feel that adding a dual language emerging mandering curriculum would be the compromise alongside the Spanish language route that is provided it could be similar to the programs that we offer at the elementary schools currently to provide the Learners with equivalent possibilities and opportunities overall using the a USD funds to add a to add a charter school would not be beneficial to our district adding a Ming program instead to in addition to the Spanish program would be more beneficial for the successful outcomes instead of taking our sacred funds that the top notch doesn't deserve we thank you for your time and hope tonight's decision is to vote against the petion and to allow the city to thrive on its own for those deeply involved in the success of our students thank you next I like to call up Hector ernandez okay good start good evening exem board members superintendent Ortega and people in attendance my name is Hector Hernandez and I'm a current senior at Aza High School I am here to talk about and give my opinion on the top-notch steam Charter School especially why I believe it will be one of of the worst decisions made to approve it this decision will not only affect the school district itself but the community of Asuza as a whole by implementing Charter Schools you are segregating your community and creating this ideal in which only a specific student can achieve success and what does that do to them the premise of Charter School assumes that they can somehow provide opportunities that do not already ex exist in our community to me it only assumes that we as students are somehow lacking as I present myself in front of you how dare you believe that we will not amount to anything a vote to approve this Charter affirms that stance topnotch embodies this ideology that they will come into our community and somehow save it that they will be the Savior we need to become successful students but guess what we are we already are and have been successful for years without them each year many students are accepted to top universities across the country furthermore last year we had four students win and place in the United States Congressional Art Contest award for their artworks and they are now in Washington DC are you now proud of them as well 11 students last year placed top five in the state for medical based competitions in which which three of them are now considered International finalists and two went on to win a top five spot in the world are they not enough for you yet you sit here contemplating this Charter School you were elected to serve ausa students a job in which you promised the people of ausa that you would put them first but as a product of this District I do not feel a priority do so now make us feel a priority to to the parents to the parents out there Charter School will also bring about the loss of millions of dollars in budget money that goes directly towards the education of your child this will hurt programs such as engineering medic and do enrollment but if that's not scary enough think about all the teachers and employees who will be fired these is who the educators are the most amazing people I've encountered ever they have taught me how to be successful they have taught me how to think critically and independently and best of all they have taught me how to become a decent person as you sit here on your high little pedestal believing that this will be the best possible thing to ever happen to our district and Community maybe you should reconsider what it means to be a Community member don't allow top-notch to win and perpetrate this ideology that they are a savior Asuza needs saying no to schools will show the isza community you believe in them and if this is too much for you maybe you should reconsider your position as an isua School Board member because I promise you we the ausa people are more than this lackluster perception you have of us thank you next we have thank you re good evening Schoolboard superintendent Mr Orga and all others in attendent tonight my name is fivia and I'm a current Junior at Aza high school and a former Gladiator student who has sadly lost their home school when I first found out about the charter school wanting to be brought into our district I was in utter shock and disbelief at this shock at this thing where got out and no one knew the true reason the this Char School wanted to come into the existence of our district I was I am a part of the AL committee and at our last meeting of the year we had the biggest question of Our Lives that was brought up by Emmanuel satat brought up to Miss Ortega and Miss Jamal Miss LaTasha Jamal asked why these Charter Schools were gonna be brought into our district they informed us about the loss of our money which was was which was going to be about $1 million lost in our district in the next and over the next 3 years they were also informing us that it would not be beneficial to us because of the mannering English program because most of our families here are Spanish Spanish English uh dual dual enrollment program uh families and students everyone knew the basic stuff about this whole thing but no one knew the exact reason and everyone I mean literally everyone in this room and everyone outside was in the dark about all this as a public school student I do not see the reason we need to I do not see the reason we need to bring a charart school into our district because it's not beneficial to us we've been fine on our own for the past four years this is not going to help us at all and the less money we have into our into our district means that our programs are going to be cut our programs are going to shrink even more than they already are our programs that are already being shr shren right now they're just they're they're decreasing we're not getting more students we're losing enrollment families are not having many babies anymore everyone's moving away declining enrollment is everywhere Bor as you sit on your pedestal consider this this vote to be a no not a yes thank you uh next I like to call um Ty Ben who good evening everyone my name is tid W what is consider an unsound education program is narrowly defined a program considered unsound only if it is likely to cause physical educational or psychological harm to student or student of if it is likely to be of no educational benefit to the student who attend none of those Factor are relevant to the tnsf Charter and none are mentioned in the STA report the district appear to misunderstand the fundamental nature of TNN tnsa program as explained throughout the chter DU language emerging program benefit from a mix of naive native and nonnative speakers of the Tet languages because it allows student to support or be supported by others in the language development while fostering strong personal personal ties and uh building a sense a sense of community in other words du language emerging model are effective when at least some student know the target languages but certainly not not all of them are expect to we understand this and the other Charter expe State we will strive to attract a balance of native English and the mandering Chinese speakers to enroll at the same time tnsa program does not require any specific balance of native English and the maning Chinese speaker student speaking students and then and nowhere and by no by no means are due language IM model like pnsn inaccessible or not intend for student who know nether languages student who speak neither English nor mandarine Chinese would would be treated as English learner as required by law meanwhile student who do not speak mandering would learn that language at tnsa for the first time alongside each other thank you very much Mr W your time is up can we have Jim chin move come forward my name Jim Chen and as far as the charter schools grade level ISE the expansion plan the district appear confused by our statement that most student will likely enter the charter School in kindergarten or first grade which capitalize on children's optimal age for second language acquisition uh CR page 90 and we plan to enroll student in grade TK to five in the initial years of operation and spend to the include student in grade six to8 in subsequent year see the page 31 as the years progress we expect that most enrolled student overall will likely have enter top NAIA uh Academy during their first few years of elementary school just like at nearly any other public school the district also appeared to confus about the nature mandering Chinese instructor instruction for student in grade 6 to8 as a state in the chatter student in the middle school program will be offer one period of mentoring language and Chinese culture each school day see page uh 6.43 crises will range from novice to advance to account for varing level for of manding Chinese uh proficiency I I see no reason why serve student beyond the TK to kindergarten in our first years of operation in case of a concern we are proposing to serve student in KT TK to five grade level in our first year of operation in response to students voice demand for school that serve abroad great span see page 31 special the SRA Valley where Aza situate as a significant population of M speaking immigrant student who do not yet speak English many of these student arrive when they are in later stage of elementary school and many enroll School in the S gabber Valley area none of which are in the district the mandering DU language immersion program a best research reach research based model to support English language learn to become Prof profession in both English and mandering for this new M speak much Mr Chen thank you your time is up thank you no more cards and um anyone online are we are we we're going to switch the screen right now with some of your names oh I know I just didn't see any names I okay good evening the soua UniFi School District board members thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf of topnotch steam Academy as a private citizen who works in the Souza I have witnessed the growth of this city since 2006 I especially enjoy seeing a marked increase in the Asian population over the last 17 years as an Asian ameran allow me to point out the Deep cultural value a have for education especially in Grain in our long history Chinese are known to travel far for what they deem best as educational opportunities for their offspring for instance I have friends who live here and travel daily to Pasadena and bulletin foru immersion and steam programs hence it seems natural and wise to respond to a growing need in a Souza a such growth in the Asian population almost always bring subsequent growth growth in the economy and reputation I see a great deal of potentials for a reimagined future with The Offspring of the with the offering of a Mandarin English du immersion program as an educator for over two decades I recognize how quickly our world is changing and the need to offer optimal academic opportunities to Young students to be agile this include offering bilingual education so that they will be ready for emerging Trends in any profession with Chinese being the third most used language in the world it seems wise and Forward Thinking to become one of the cities to lead and be successful in Mandarin English dual immersion therefore I urge you to seriously consider the proposal by top n steam Academy thank you thank you can we have um uro Garcia please good evening board members community members my name is aruro Garcia I am a director of operations with icon Cool School management uh in support of topnotch steam Academy a little bit about my background I have 10 years in the charter school five years I worked with a dual emerging English Korean uh School in South Los Angeles they had similar concerns in terms of the community the community is mainly Hispanic and African-American for majority of my five years there we had less than 10 students that were Korean the majority of those students were um Hispanic and African-American um and it worked and I think it came from the fact that it's an option a choice for those students in that Community to take advantage of and that's what Top Notch would be a choice for these students here um I also want to respond a little bit to some of the fiscal findings uh my colleague Samantha did a good job but again in my 10 years of working with Charter Schools and talking to school districts uh I was surprised with the amount of speculation in the findings for fiscal a lot of ifs the first if is the Cola will be 1% yes that's learning we adapt as we move budgets forward your own District budget for last year includes the 3.94% cola for the 2425 school year and as your district will work on updating budget so will we to update top Notch's budget um the second if of the unduplicated people percentage um we use a very cons conservative number of 60% um your district is 86 the hope is to get students from your community the odds of becoming lower than 60% are much smaller than the odds of coming higher than 60% if we reverse uh the If instead of coming in five students less and we come in five students higher of unduplicated that's an additional $200,000 to the school over three years and then in terms of the loss from 3% to 1% in the first year it's not 400,000 it's 400,000 across multiple years in the first year it's about $86,000 budgets are built with that 5% Reserve to account for that economic uncertainty the 5% Reserve in the first year was over 150,000 that 86 is absorbed in that but of course you go and you work to update that the other if in terms of 88 percentages uh Charter Schools do have 88 percentages that are typically higher than districts again because it's Choice students are choosing parents are choosing to send their students there so their attendance rates are much higher and their levels of chronic athletism it's lower um with couple the schools that we work with in LA and Orange County last year the average 88 percentage was 95% and this year it's increased slightly um last year was a tough year across the board for Ada um historical lows for everybody just as you were coming out of the pandemic so you know it was just a lot of ifs and districts work with ifs we work with ifs but we have to have the opportunity to make that adjustment and move forward thank you uh next I'd like to call up um Cecilia Ford good evening superintendent cabinet and board members and community members um I come to you tonight as a parent of a junior at isza high school I am also an employee of this district and I worked for this district for 13 years um having a charter school come in would take away programs that we've already built we're building right now we're rebuilding because of reorganization we've gone through changes don't make us go through another change again some of our kids are struggling we see it in our school district right now we see the high school we see the Middle School we've come together and we're everybody's trying our teachers our staff our students are all readjusting to bring somebody new in would be another change that everybody has to go through I urge everybody on the school board tonight to vote no against another change that we have to go through our C we need to readjust we need to adapt to everything that we've gone through to this point our staff our students and everybody in the community is readjust ing please vote no against bringing this Charter School in let us rebuild and let us come back together as one thank you now I would like to call Andrew te good evening board members I'm Andy C and I'm here to voice my opposition against the proposed Charter School the fact finding report from the district is clear the petition does not meet the key elements of EC 47605 I would like to address the the divisive undertone of the charter school petition I am highly disturbed by the undertone of this petition and the exclusion of key demographics in our community we as a community should oppose any publicly funded school or programs that excludes by race gender religious background orientation or disabilities whether that exclusion is by design of happen stance it should be legally and morally opposed I have been in a I have been a resident of ausa for over 10 years and I've tied to the communities for close to 20 years my wife is of Hispanic descent and has been part of the community her whole life it was not so long ago that asian-americans had targets painted on their backs while Asian hate crimes Rose across LA county and and across California I cannot find one single report in azuza that shown any hate crimes against Asians the exclusive nature of this petition is an insult to the ENT to the isua community that ensured me and my family made it home safely every night during those trying times this petition does not meet the legal requirement and should be denied if that is not sufficient then the petition should be denied for the pure device of nature to our community thank you for your time next I like next like to call Eva or J good evening uh Susa UniFi School District uh board members uh my name is Eva ortis I am a resident of ausa UniFi School District I have four kids and six grandkids I am here to support topnotch steam Academy okay I want topnotch steam Academy open in our community because it will give my grandkids a competitive Advantage for their future they will not only be bilingual but trilingual when my kids I have I have a 23 year old 23 year old son he did not graduate from high school from asusa he he went to Elementary here in asusa and also to asusa high school and unfortunately he did not graduate right now I have a 17-year-old and he is not doing grade in ausa high school I see that a lot of teachers are here a lot of teachers are here but my sons they tell me a lot of teachers focus on all the A+ students not on the ones that need help a lot of teachers a lot of teachers need jobs a lot of teachers are here becausee they need they need their jobs I do have friends that are Asian and they have to drive far to take their kids because there are only a couple of them in in here and they get discriminated they get teased that so I am here to please ask that we have a choice and I ask and and um for you to approve the petition of topot theme Academy thank you thank you uh next up is Meg zala Schoolboard I'm not going to address you because you know how I feel I've spoken to almost all of you at some point or another about the Union's feelings about the charter school instead I want to speak to the parents um who are here to advocate for top knot you don't know me um I am the President of the teachers union but I'm also a parent and I live in Chino I brought my children to go to school here in isusa because of the amazing teachers because of the district's inclusiveness my husband is Filipino um we have a biracial family and I have biracial children I know what it means to be discriminated against it's happened to us and it's very hard and it's very scary but it didn't happen here in isusa my kids were well taken care of and it's because the teachers in here they care about the kids they do and when we took our children back to Chino schools it was more because of the neighborhood friends and all those kinds of things but my eldest son his passion was Mandarin and so we took him to Chino Hills High School because it was the only school that taught Mandarin he took it for four years and then he took it in college and his first job as a mechanical engineer out of college was to work for come key um which is a Chinese sauce company for those of you you probably have it in your pantry at home anyway um it's insulting honestly and maybe you don't know this it's insulting to us when you say that um Asian parents do whatever they can for the education of their children because the inference is that we don't and that honestly is hurtful because whether I'm Caucasian or my Filipino family or the Latinos in the room we all want the best education for our children and so I I'm I'm saying this with respect truly you want what's best for your kids just as much as I want what's best for mine and after 30 years 32 years teaching in this District I want what's best for our children in as youa and that includes you and so whatever the board decd decides tonight I am going to I'm going to plead with you please bring your children to our schools I want your children in my classroom I want them I want to love on them I want to teach them I want to encourage them I want to uplift them to be the best that they can be and I'm sorry that you you had children that had difficult experience with with whatever it was that they endured but I'm going to I'm going to say that I believe that's the minority because the majority of kids come out of here like rock stars and so please please let's acknowledge the fact that we are a district that's inclusive time is thank you I would like I would like Charlotte ree to come forward please good evening my name is charot Ruiz I a dual imersion student at Victor hods Elementary I love my teachers and everyone that works at my school I'm here today to speak against this topnotch them Academy Charter School the past couple of years have been hard on our azuza school communities we have closed many schools due to low low enrollment not because our schools are bad but because many families have made the hard choice to move to more affordable housing many families have adapted to changes but we are a wonderful community and have adapted well Aiza unified offers all the programs we need and more I love our doing Mion program CU I get to learn Spanish a few years ago Mandarin was also being offered but not enough interest was shown if that has changed I am sure our discrict district will address it soon in our arts program we get to learn about many different artists and their styles of painting I will soon be joining the miai de as soua and soon after the orchestra you don't need a charter school to take resources away from our schools next I will have Emily Reese good evening president rodrigus paa members of the board and superintendent Ortega and the cabinet members as a proud student of isua high school and an Engaged Community member I commend the school for its outstanding and diverse programs enrolled in the international Balor program Project Lead the Way engineering program Maria deza and the zua Unified School District chamber orchestra I am grateful for the rich academic and extracurricular experiences provided however the foundation of this preparation began in Middle School laying the groundwork for my success in high school one of the most notable strengths in our public school system is its sense of community and inclusivity as an active member of the Student Union we collectively strive to Foster unity and a strong Community spirit and this includes elementary and middle school students as we have done Community circles in the past with them and have seen that students open up from all backgrounds no matter their ethnic background or academic success it would be such a shame if a charter school were to come and strip away all this progress we have already made and make a bigger disconnection between students who have different educational barriers barers moreover this sense of community takes root early on beginning Marin Orchestra in elementary school I've had the privilege of going growing up in the same group for the past 10 years I hope my little sister who is currently in college Elementary School can share a similar experience when she reaches her senior year however this would not be possible if a charter school were to exist as a programming would be different our elementary schools are evolving positively so considering the potential impact of with Charter School on our progress I implore you to P persevere and strengthen our existing programs especially in the light of our merger our school district is already grappling with low enrollment and introducing a charter school could adversely affect our community please let us continue to flourish and contribute positively to the academic and communal fabric of azuza thank you thank you next I like to call up sto Serano Luna Sarah Sano Luna hello everybody my name is Sarah San Luna and I'm here today to firmly stress that there is absolutely zero need for a charter school in isusa and although I hope I actually don't need to persuade you the board today as it is again so extremely OB obvious that allowing a charter school to open would only hurt our district and our students School board members eyes are on you tonight for you to listen to your constituents and to to listen to the district's recommendation and not allow this to happen to the people here and the people watching at home play close attention to how these board members are voting today as their vote will show you if they actually care about this district and its students and take into consideration when giving them your support and your vote before I go I would like to say to Sabrina B I'm a especially paying attention to your vote tonight as I like a lot of people here do not believe that you truly care about this district and its students but rather have ulterior motives like a charter school opening and are catering to the people in your area for I think we would all appreciate you pushing those in your District area to attend ausa schools and help build our district up again I want to emphasize that if you are doing your job tonight the job that everybody here voted you to do you would be serving the people of the school district district and be voting against a charter school thank you I like i' like to call forward Savannah Rudder hello everyone um I'm Savannah Rudder I am a product of your District um I went to school my siblings are going to school have gone to school with your kids with your grandkids I am friends with your grandkids and with your kids this is our community ladies and G gentlemen this this is us um and if we want more options let's bring more options let's bring more let's do more for our kids that's what they deserve right keep it public provide Equity equity for all of our kids publicly everyone I'm hurt as a teacher right now because what I heard is that us teachers and is Unified are not caring about our students and if anyone in this room I can wholeheartedly say that I am one of those teachers that cares 110% if not more I am involved in our community greatly I have been involved in Girl Scouts for our community providing leadership to our young females I am an educator at isua High School teaching science I am a product of many of these teachers I have had many many of these teachers I coach many Sports volleyball basketball men's volleyball girls volleyball girls basketball basketball softball baseball it's the options are endless I do that because it's for the kids so I am hurt if you're struggling if your student is struggling if you're a parent who feels that your student is not being heard please come join me take your kid into my class room 335 at isua high school and come see my class filled with more than 36 students at lunch every single day who get to participate in inclusion diversity City and Community it is a community in there and it is a community a community in every single classroom if you walk onto that campus please join us we want it we welcome it Lord please come onto our campuses I want you in my room come see me please let's have a conversation come see my kids come see what they're doing come see the great things see the community that we're building come watch our amazing teachers come watch our amazing students because they are doing great things to any missing students that some someone mentioned earlier come join us we want you here we welcome you here into this amazing azuza Community with that being said our students the students in our district deserve our undivided attention all of our undivided attention so let's focus on them let's keep investing in them in our community our future please deny this petition thank you so much next next I would like to call Kevin Davis good evening honorable board members this is Kevin Davis I hope you can hear me I'm one of the zoom participants um I serve as legal counsel for topnotch steam Academy I believe you heard comments from my colleague Greta Proctor at the last meeting and it's my pleasure to speak and support of the petitioners who are not only proposing to bring a dual IM immersion steam program to the isua community but who who are also proposing to bring District residents back to the local public school system with this program this will bring State funding back to the district I would like to speak to the board of education's options tonight adopting your staff's proposed findings is just one of the options the petitioner has thoroughly responded to and refuted each and every point in those findings I hope you've considered the petitioner's response because the staff report in front of you has been thoroughly refuted another option for the board is to approve the charter tonight which does not require any specific findings like those prepared by your staff any board member could make a motion to approve the charter petition and the board could take action on that motion right now I assure you that top- notches Charter petition more than meets the legal standard for approval including the new requirements of ab55 that require the school to demonstrate it will meet the entire the needs of the entire Community by providing opport OPP unities that do not currently exist this option to approve the charter petition is consistent with the Education Code which says the the establishment of charter schools should be encouraged the legislature contemplated this back and forth between the district and still found that Charter Schools should be encouraged it's also consistent with the State Board of education's guidance on reviewing Charter petitions which states that an unsound educational program is narrowly defined um the findings that your that your staff has made are are narrowly defined by the State Board of Education a program is considered Unown only if it's going to cause physical emotional physical educational or psychological harm to students or if it's likely to be of no educational benefits to the students who attend the school those findings can't be made tonight based on this petition or at all this Charter petition presents a sound educational program the petitioners are demonstrably likely to successfully implement the the program described in the petition and the petition contains all the legally required affirmations and comprehensive descriptions of the of the elements that are required for a charter it's ready for the district's approval tonight I wish to express my strong support for this Charter petition and request that the board approve the charter this evening so that the district can bring this unique program to serve students within the community thank you very much and I'm here if you have any questions we have three more speakers we're just going to refresh the the thank you ni I like to call um Ethan nango board president it appears he has left the zoom okay we'll move to Amber fish can you hear me yes we can Perfect all right thank thank you guys for your time tonight um I want to start off by saying language is so important I have a family who in our immediate family we have English Spanish Greek and Mandarin speaking individuals um we love that our son is getting to participate in the D Merion program that we currently have here at isua it is a great program unfortunately for myself I didn't wasn't taught in Spanish and my son started out in the kindergarten program and he sat there saying I don't know what's happening he did it online kindergarten first year online from because of covid and he just add at the screen saying I don't know what's going I don't know what they're saying I don't know what's going on and I was so disheartened for him because it was hard to watch him struggle he's a smart kid he's in third grade this year and he is doing phenomenal thriving our program works we start at kindergarten in first grade the students progressed until middle school high school they'll graduate at the end of the program if they continue it it's their choice to continue with a sylla by literacy topnotch is talking about opening up a TK through fifth grade where do these students start do they test in and if they test in how many students are they going to have for these grades that are native English speakers as compared to Native Native Spanish speakers because there has to be a balance that's what makes this program work um my concern is that they don't have this for the first first few years because Sixth and eighth grade obviously come next and they're saying their students after graduating from eth grade would go into our school that that's phenomenal I'd love to see them come into our schools I'd love to see them come into our schools starting at TK um but where does that leave them with their Mandarin program learning we currently are not supporting that and they won't be able to graduate with that Sola by literacy on their diplomas like our students will um steam programs are district is already pushing out steam throughout all the schools we have these amazing steam labs for our students to use and I love seeing the creativity that our students are coming up with using them I'm hoping that our district will consider a mandarin program dual immersion program in the future near future to support these parents who obviously seem to want this in our school district but I also think that it's important to take into consideration all of the time and effort that our community has put into reorganization already you've mentioned it we've closed a lot of schools we've had a lot of shuffling we're losing certain programs but ausa School District asua Unified School District we are thriving right now we are doing the best that we can for all of our students and making the best choices and adding a topnotch steam Academy is not in the best interest of our school district and I believe you guys should vote no deny this petition keep focusing on what is best for our students and for our community within our school district thank you next I'd like to call on sashik hi can you hear me yes hi my name is sachko abrahamson and I'm an Asian-American who happens to be a parent of a dual immersion student um I guess it's safe to assume that the funding for this Charter will come from isusa unified will only students within the isusa city limit be allowed to attend if not what are the insurance what are um assurances that the charter will give to make sure that it serving the community that they attend to take funds from we have serious concerns about any program that um takes away from programs that are already hurting to cater to a very small population that's not guaranteed to come back to isusa unified um especially to the last speaker what she was uh talking about if the program ends at 8th grade and they don't get to graduate with that biliteracy um certification why would they want to come back if they could stay in a district where they would would grad uate with it um tnsa looks to Target a very small group of residents while taking resources from already established students who choose to stay in the district we implore the board to not punish the families who chose to enroll and stay in ausa we hope that you will um consider this and deny this uh proposal thank you thank you okay thank you um thank you all for your comments um now we have questions from the board and uh the Board of Education and I would start with um Mr Greer any comments or questions yeah have I'll least start with a couple questions I I I would uh appreciate hearing uh both from the uh topnotch representatives and also from our our district um there the understanding of the distinction between ELD and dual uh dual immersion so EOD is for English language development and the Dual language remission is for students um there are two type of a dual language remission program one is the native speaker of mention language so which they probably as the uh English language learner as well so they will be uh qualified under the uh EOD program and the other uh part of um the students who are um English native speakers so then they will be uh the mangor language Learners can I ask or normal would you be able to speak that as well sure so dual language immersion program is a program that is structured with a balance of students who speak the target language so you have a balance of sometimes 30% um English-speaking 30% bilingual 30% whatever the target language is with the goal of um adding an additional language to the first language the students bring or if the student is bilingual uh building proficiency Additionally the goals of a dual language emersion program are to establish students who are bilingual biliterate and bicultural English language development is a California well it's a nationwide requirement for English Learners and requires two types of English language development integrated ELD is provided to students throughout the day so that they are able to access um instruction um in a language that is their second language that they are learning so it gives them that entry point to be able to participate fully with instruction designated El is an a second requirement so students have to receive both designated ELD is a designated time during the day where students are specifically taught um uh to develop English which if I was a native Spanish speaker my designated ELD time helps me to be able to fully participate with the goal of eventually reclassifying thank you and for tnsa could could you speak to um at the start of the at the at the start of the the the potential opening of of the academy how many grade levels would would dual immersion Mandarin be made available to students so we plan to open 2 TK 2K 2 first and then second to fifth grade will be just one class per each grade so if I hear you correctly you're saying TK through 1 well there would be multiple classes yes and then uh but second through fifth dual immersion would be made available uh but you're expecting that it would only be one class per grade grade level correct the first year yes can from our District staff can we speak to uh with our experience with dual immersion uh can can could it be spoken up up to what grade level do we currently have dly imersion present it's Spanish of course our current program is at uh seventh grade at the middle school and how many years have we have we had this program in place so we launch launched approximately 8 years ago um and we started with a prechool TK and two kindergarten classrooms at one site um so two strands at one site and two kindergarten strands at another site can I ask why we did not launch a dual immersion program uh that that expand the elementary grade levels so best practice um with instruction being tied to state standards and stu um instruction being pitched at the appropriate rigor for students to be able to participate um and be able to engage so our program is a 9010 model so we would expect that students are able to fully participate um in the program as they proceed throughout the grades so they are developing um Proficiency in that target language in our case Stanish beginning in preschool and each year that adds so again they are able to fully participate with the appropriate um rigor of the grade level and um the standards and really engaging in again those core pillars of being biliterate bicultural um and bilingual and then for for I say is it would you say that it is your all's understanding um that uh best practices would would call for for some of the um kind of additive growth and and the inclusion of of native and non-native speakers and how if and if and if so so that's part one to the question and then if so how how would the Academy address this particularly for the the higher grade levels yes I agree um uh What uh Miss um I'm sorry the uh commo um just explained it's absolutely correct of theoretically um that is a best model best practice that I've been practiced throughout my teaching career as well um however the reason uh that we propos uh for additional second to fifth grade was based on the parents demand um throughout this the popup summer program and also based on the uh parents who sign up the intent to enroll form we do see there are the parents who interest in this program that their children are already enroll in the manor program uh throughout the U different uh diversity of the groups um so they are interested in this program I I totally um as far as my teaching practice I seen I that's the best practice that she just described um it's just the the student population who interested in the tnsa program I already have somewhat of a um background um language um learning mjor language learning um levels um so that's the reason we feel like we can add just one class that's the reason we only add one class per grade level from second to fifth we don't do um two classes and then the also I want to add that the model for the mention dual language Information Program is different than the Spanish language program that currently um that was modeled in ausa UniFi our model is a 50/50 model um so I know that uh Thomas Kier they do have a lot of research done says 910 model is the best practice um however those study was only based on a Spanish dual langage Information Program those program um this those study was not done in the uh M dual langage program um you UTA is the most successful state of um launching the Dual language education um believe they have um 50% of their schools are all offer variety of a dual language Information Program and Utah has found the most effective program are 5050 and then in order for the uh School in the Utah State to receive the funding directly from the state they have to implement 5050 program in addition the top nuring Academy the our Menin curriculums is the uh Menin Matrix um which is developed by the state of the Utah and so we are adopting the Utah model thank you thank you board member benus yeah I have a question for TSA so I noticed in the petition um regarding the Outreach efforts what would you do to implement your Outreach efforts to parents because as you know the district tried this in the past and they weren't successful at it or they were successful but to a point because they didn't move forward with the uh English manderin dual immersion program so could you tell the board what would make it different for you you for TSA for tnsa um so um when we um after the summer uh popup summer camp that we did over the summer um there was uh you know parents come to me and tell me that uh whether we're going to have similar program available anywhere and that's the reason I started to asking them that if I um start up uh petition for the child school would they be interested um so 85% of the parents who took the survey expressed that they will be interested in the similar program that we uh implemented over the summer so that's the reason um I um you know take everybody's um you know um in start to make a survey um to the intent to enroll form and I distribute it to people and turns out to be like I have a 996 uh parents who sign of an intented enrollment form in the city of Azusa I I understand and thank you for that but in the future because it sounds to me like there's two things happening here there's the petition for the charter school and the need for a English Mandarin dual emersion program for the students but in the future how would you continue your Outreach efforts to reach those parents that the district in past years worked hard at implementing and they got very little turnout from what I understand um so that's kind of interesting I don't know um what type of a um information session that um the district has held um so um what I have been doing is I've been constantly giving up information session every weekly and sometime I do it like two times per week um to um explain to parents what type of a um curriculum we are teaching what kind of model we are using um and then um and also uh what type of a a Project based learning that we've been doing successfully over the summer um so that I've been like celing have um having the uh the meeting the information session um and also that I um visit um the um the um Parks uh throughout the city and then talk to parents and find out what's their concern about their students about their children and I also ask them oh where do you guys go to school will you be interested in coming back to public education um public schools if that we offer a good uh you know RoR uh mjor door language imion program with a steem focus and then they all say yes yeah so I believe in the response the city the district's response weal I I believe I saw that TSA focused their efforts primarily on an Northend what did you did TSA do anything to address the community on the s then and if you did what did you do um so same thing I try to visit the parks um you know in in the um Sol Park and then I do find that um some parents are interested um so I want to add my personal story uh my children um I also um my children also uh uh grow up with a Spanish dual langage generation program so they are trilinguals um so they helped me to do a lot of Spanish trans ation um so um that I I have to admit that I do um go to the some of the parks um in the southside of the city uh not very successful um was also because there are times when I try to talk to parents and then uh because I need a translation with a Spanish um they got uh some people heard that I have a conversation with par they come and to interject my conversation so I wasn't able to really continue to promote my program in the southern part of the city and I do find more success successful um you know um uh rate over in a know part of City yeah remember B thank you board president um I have a couple of questions for Mr Ortega and staff um this is largely around our current world language and dual immersion offerings um at um which World languages do we currently offer at Gladstone Middle School we currently offer Spanish at the middle school level and does that begin at sixth grade uh we begin at uh 7th are do do we have any current plans to expand World Language at the Middle School level in terms of adding another language we would definitely look at the interest of the students in what they um what additional foreign languages they would be interested in in US adding is that um already something that's part of a survey or part of our current District surveys that we've surveyed the students themselves so we um host listening sessions um towards the end of the year with students to to collect feedback from them in terms of um interest of of adding additional um programs um also through our triaa which is our academic articulation advisory with teachers counselors administrators um we collect feedback on um addition um adding courses and that type of thing thank you and um we know we have the international baloria program at isua High School um my understanding is that the IB Program requires two World languages to be part of that course of study um can you confirm which World languages we offer as part of the IB program at isui yes Spanish and French Spanish and French um our community schools effort has been um kicked off very successfully I've seen it at my children's own school at Hajj I've seen it at other district schools I've seen the community school liaison out in the community at non-district events um it's been a point of Pride for our school and I know that we are continuing I think we have just one more Community Lon position to fill and I think we're all excited about that um given Theus the uh increased Asian population within the city and District of isua um can you share with us um if we have any current um community aison that are Mandarin speakers So currently of our community Liaisons they are bilingual English Spanish um one of our program Specialists speaks some Mandarin and um as we as a a destination Community where we have newcomers from all types of ethnic and linguistic backgrounds um how do we serve those families who are Mandarin speakers and Mandarin monolingual when they show up to enroll out of school uh we have um different efforts um in terms of what types of translation and interpretation um that we provide um when we have um loow incidence languages um we will utilize technology to to help to support that um and when um the need arises we may have requests from teachers um for count um for uh different types of conferences ssts IEPs um parent coffees um for additional languages um we've translated for ASL um Arabic cantones so we contract with um translation services um to offer that when a significant need arises or for those specific types of um instances where um a family requires that access um to be able to bridge language thank you mrga I'm gonna ask you just a couple of questions um preface this with my own two daughters are part of the dual immersion Spanish program at Hodge um my big girl started in Kinder in first grade and she's currently in second um and my little girl started in TK at Longfellow and I can tell you that they are both thriving really well and in fact uh my big girl comes home and she speaks to me in Spanish um so I am a defin a supporter of language for all um and regardless of ethnic background or what your family looks like or what your family speaks at home and I say that as a testament to language learning for everyone um so that's my endorsement of dual immersion in isus unified Mr Orga how would you as superintendent rate the quality of our dual immersion parentheses Spanish program here in isus unified we have been um extremely fortunate uh here in isua to launch uh a dual language emersion program uh like Miss kamacho said uh we were very careful and intentional on how we launched uh including our youngest Learners in preschool and knowing uh through experience that any dual language immersion program um throughout the course and the run of the program uh you see a drop in students because a they trans they there's attrition natural attrition uh or B students get a voice and so sometimes in fifth grade um they're like yeah we're done with Spanish or we're done with this we have other interests and so they're going to drop out the program um and so knowing that uh we were um extremely uh intentional on building four launch classrooms knowing that through attrition and through voice uh that would still give us a very strong middle school program uh we are extremely PR uh that we have uh been asked uh to um share about our program uh locally uh at the county level and at the state level um and so when we our students and uh what they are able to do and what they are able to accomplish um I would rate uh our program um something of a model uh for others to see we actually get quite a bit of request from other districts as well uh to come and learn and to see what we what we've done and how we launch and how we've implemented thank you and Madam president if I could ask just one more question of course thank you and uh Mr Orga given that high rating of endorsement of how well we do dual immersion programs in the district as part of a district program um don't you think that given the interest expressed for it by many voices in this room that uh if the district would offer its own dual immersion mandin program that that would be of benefit for the district as well as all of the district students we would not only be eager but proud to uh add another layer of uh dual language again we think we have we don't we don't think we we know we have the expertise um and so yeah that would be again we would be eager and proud to be able to uh to serve our community in that manner thank you Mr T thank you board president thank you board member Aris excuse me um I would like to start off by actually thanking um everyone that's here today from all of our teachers our students our parents and also the people that are here to also advocate for who uh what you're standing for and that is your Charter dual immersion Mandarin dual immersion coming up to the microphone and advocating for something that you stand strongly for is not easy I'm very passionate very passionate about Ju Just dual immersion it's and what it stands for I am a proud parent of two children in dual immersion one has received the state literacy seal in her diploma I am that parent here at a soua unified that started with dual immersion when it began I have seen the struggle of a beginning dual immersion I have seen the fight the tears of many years of trying to get parents children to stay as they progress in grades I have seen the successes with my own children such as um you know thank you for for sharing that uh board member Bo that your children come to our district and that they're in the Dual emersion Spanish program that that's amazing and that they're at Hajj taking advantage of the parents that have fought with tears in blood standing at the podium begging for this program to continue and to be strong now it's been 13 14 years that I have been part of duel immersion Spanish I do also have a testament of what a soua unified has done I endorse as well I I I I share the same sentiment board member my colleague with my colleague here the the endorsement of dual immersion absolutely when the district offered dual imersion Mandarin when they or in the beginning stages I attended the meetings because I actually wanted my this is before my son started dual immersion Spanish my son wanted to learn du wanted to learn Mandarin and I was that parent that was advocating for the dual immersion Mandarin I was that parent outside of the schools in the Parks through cheerleading through the nonprofits trying to recruit our community in rosale for our program here at auua unified to be successful for dual immersion Mandarin and I share the same sentiment as both parties are here sharing their belief and their passion for what we it's a common goal and that is our students the success of our students that's a common goal that we all have and I know that here my colleagues also have that same sentiment such as you guys that have spoken you guys that are here sitting standing outside have you know on this standing on the side we all share that same sentiment and that's why we're here or else this room would be empty as a myself as a proud auua Unified School District student I was an English language learner I know the struggle as well as a student I also worked in the classroom as an English language advoc uh educator so looking at this as now a board member being able to not only be a student a parent an educator inside the classroom now a board member I truly see the importance of dual immersion absolutely and I really really hope that we as a board understand how long it takes for a program to be successful and that it's not easy again as Su unified has put it out in the community and we only had so many people not enough to be enrolled in the program I have a question question for our district if this passes tonight do you have a rough estimate of how much let's just say given a number right of how how much in Ada funding they were to take maybe they're saying there's about 96 that that that's what I I have here 96 right let's just say 100 100 students from our district how much is that in Ada we did the calculation over a three-year span and we're looking at approximately over $2.3 million so what you're telling me it's $2.3 million that we will be losing in our district for a program that is just starting and um now I W would like to ask uh the top notch um I have a question for you under what Foundation or what other you you said um Miss Miss Christina um Sue thank you um what other Charters have you led that have been successful um I I've looked at your your profile and um you're here and you you want to lead this um what are programs have been successful under your care under your watch um so as you mentioned earlier that's very difficult to start uh to a new program I absolutely agree in fact that I was um the Lead Teacher to uh start the uh wage worth program in hend laon and also the panta program in pona unified um so while I was in uh both program I was the lead teachers and also um I was the curriculum developers and I know um that it takes a lot of time and effort to build a program and both School turn out to be a very high performing schools um and also that I'm not just saying the Asian students they um I also um have very successful High successful rate for teaching Spanish speaking students um the parents are so happy to come to me said they um took their kids to uh community events and then their children are able to communicate um in using mention language with the uh like Market they go to or the store they go to um and and so they they came to thank me uh personally and so I know that how to build a program successfully um and like as you mentioned um and also Dr Bo um has uh applaud uh the successful of the ausa Spanish dual language program me as a proud parents as well like I mentioned earlier my children are trilingual and my daughter she not only graduate um from a college with a chemistry degree but also she graduate with Spanish minor so that shows that the effort that I put her through the Spanish dual language program throughout the elementary grade level of a a very worth in investment for my children's future so vice versa that the parents who are already speak Spanish at home if they put their kids in the uh Manion dual ination program are also a very um good investment for their future careers um and also that um by knowing that the district um we been uh the um board member uh of benav keep asking me how to recruit students um so so I think the key is really um we need to have like parents would trust who is running the program who has been successfully knowing how to begin a program and also to grow teachers and I um learned that that was very difficult to recruit teachers um in the uh the the situation of uh in the United States of the teacher with the m uh credential with a M uh B clad um and also multiple subject credential we do have a lot of teacher who are single subject credential in Chinese but not multiple subject um with a b class so those are very difficult to recruit um so so then by knowing that I personally invest a lot of time and also go uh talking through many of the uh credential uh program in the University level uh learn that that we we can also um have the uh a teacher uh that recruit internationally um so there is a very successful Menor dual language Charter School in Oakland called you mean charter school so they are like uh the the top 1% uh score in the state um and um they do have a lot of teacher art they hired through their international program and and those are are doable and then I do uh work with a lot of University in Taiwan uh and then over the summer I was able to um have them come um to um teach at my summer camp that I started and then I have the opportunity to uh uh provide um the professional development uh and the strategy that been implemented successfully in the American educational model and then they were so quickly able to adapt and change um their teaching strategy that being growing in Taiwan and to teach in the United States successfully yeah so by saying that that topn them account is ready um to launch the school uh because we have uh the teacher resource and by also we have run the program in um the United States and with experience and then we also have uh the community parents who trust us um and then willing um to work uh to send their kids to the topn steam Academy thank you thank you I'm done okay thank you yes um I have um a questions for you for the tnsa so first of all why a charter school why not as is UniFi why why can we have um the do imersion mandarin where our students can be trilingual I'm just understanding why our Charter and not you know work together with our district I mean our teachers are top-notch too we have great programs I know you heard about the great programs that we have right we have stem I mean we talked about many great programs I just don't thank you I I I just don't see that um it is beneficial I agree with you but I still think that the children why don't they come to our school district why don't they come to Ze Unified School District um I feel like uh parents should answer this question not me okay no no it's no I'm sorry I'm not expecting to answer it's just like I'm I'm I'm wondering like why don't they come to our school we have great teachers we have great programs you know we have great schools you know why do we have to open a a charter school what is the necessity other than I understand your concerns about the do mergin the do um Mandarin we could do the same thing because we have a successful dild Spanish English right so um also so um I I was kind of not too happy only when I did read the memo when you did talk about that you wanted to be in the northern part of the city I I read that somewhere and I I live in the souths side of town in in the south of the 210 Freeway over 45 years and I personally have not heard or seen that anyone from your program has approached any parents or anyone regarding this top notch Academy so you know I am concerned with the past six years years or five years we have closed six schools due to declining enrollment we also have um still people still on unemployment you know our teachers have lost jobs our classified employees have lost jobs is is I mean you don't think about that you think that would it you don't think if it's going to harm us at a z white school district or you I I I'm not understanding why we have to have a top notcho and we can just um have it in our district and we did try but we can try again that's okay we can we can go out again and try it again and have it in our district well what I can say um is that um currently um the students who signed the intent to INR form with topn steam Academy only probably five to six students are currently the students who are enrolled in ausa uni School District so and you know and and that and sorry excuse me I'm not done thank you and that's another question I have you know I I did see the list and the students are from Temple City they're from Diamond Bar correct they're from rosem me mon park and why are us as taxpayers need to pay for children that are out of our district it's just a question I you don't need to answer I understand but I'm just kind of puzzled all this I don't so I do want to if I may yes of course so the funding for a student who's attending the charter school who is not from Aza Pacific that fun city of Aza sorry um that funding does not come from the pot of money from isusa UniFi so the funding for Ada is per student from that student so that student creates that rate from the state it's not uh there's 100 students if 50 are not from isusa that doesn't mean you're taking 188 from ausa so I just want to make sure that's clear well well I I you know because they mentioned that the community of isua we're talking about isua today right want needed or want a a um an academy or or wanted um do Merion Mandarin we could open in our district just to same just the same way and and have get the Ada at isza and also I me we we do have permits someone from D come to permit we'll welcome them too we'll get ada8 with that too I just you know don't understand the loss of funding that we've had in the last five years and I I I just can't see just doing that again and just losing and again uh staff members losing jobs like I mentioned you know our kids have been switched from one school to another school and you should visit our schools come to our schools see our programs you know and and see we have great changes we had real big re organization it's turned out really well so just saying so I would like to thank the AA unified and topnotch Academy for your presentation also everyone for coming out tonight and sharing your public comments with the board of education do any of my colleagues have any further questions Bo R certainly some comments there there could be a question in here somewhere but I'm I'm struggling to see what topnotch would be able to provide that the isus Unified School District could not I'm I'm I'm struggling to see what what topnotch could could provide that would somehow be superior to to what um Aus unified offers and has the capacity to offer um I have tracked all along uh just the the success and and the slow progress of our of our dual immersion Spanish uh language program and just recognizing that it's it would it would maybe be possible to in order to have something that's that that's that's Grand or is is is is able to be marketed to all grade levels to kind of start something and launch and invite everyone to be there but but there was a a long slow commitment to doing things and and taking time recognizing best practices and and implementing those those best best best practices and so one of my one one a concern that I that I see when thinking about students who are Learners here within the isus Unified School District is um my just just the the lack of confidence that I would have in uh the the the program model that's being proposed um and and um the the value of having native and non-native speakers present at at each grade level I I struggled to see how that would even happen how how there would be non-native Mandarin speakers especially at the upper Upper Grade levels I I just I struggle to see that um I also want to say we we have sat up here the this the specific have looked slightly different over the course of the the past handful of of years but we've been tasked with making some extremely difficult decisions and and the decisions that we have been making have been painful at times but but we've continued to ask what can we do to to provide the the the best and the most robust program offer offerings and opportunities for the students here within the isus isusa Unified School District and and as that has amounted to consolidations of of of school campuses I I've shared up here for every school that i' I I grew up here every school that I've attended does not look like it did when when when I was attending here and and those are or difficult decisions that were needing to be made but what it's done for us some of those incredible sacrifices we've heard some of our Aus uh high school students talk about the the the cost for them as as being part of Gladstone High School but what that's done for us is it has really put us in a position as a as a district where we can really look to to reimagine and reeval evaluate and ask ourselves what is the menu of program offerings that makes the most sense and and facilities and and and just who are we as a district as we look into the future far into the future and and what I'm hearing uh from this is that there tends to be a a ground swell of of some support for Mandarin um and when I when I think about that and I think about the pro proven track record of the isus Unified School District to offer dual immersion programs um I'm I'm you know one want to give a strong directive uh to to with the support of my of my colleagues to to our staff to really investigate and look into um dersion Mandarin um and offering that for for our community um and and I and I would also want to invite uh the the the the those who are here tonight and and requesting that the the approval of of this the of this Charter School to to Really join in um the the efforts um and all the good things that are happening within the the schools within the isus Unified School District and and I mean yeah I'm I'm just I'm struggling to see why why we would when we're closing schools and needing to to reorganize why why there would be a new school that that that's open and and if and if that new school um yeah I'm I'm I'm just I'm just really really struggling and and uh to to to see a pathway where where it would it would make sense to move forward with um with this petition yeah so I I really want to add that um the district did try right to open up a m dual language Merion program um I guess that also sets a lot of a limitation of a teacher the resource teacher that you can find that can teach in this dual language program and the experience the directors who can help to establish the program so I think the key is really the flexibility of of not I'm when I say flexibility doesn't means they don't meet the requirements of the credentialing requirement to to teach in a public school education right so so it's really um the the resource of the teachers that I'm willing to work with um the to hire the international teachers um to be the model of a 5050 that requires um two teachers co- te two classes so one teacher will be the Ming teacher the other teacher will be the English teacher or or I can say target language teacher um so so then the Nate the both teacher are the native speakers of their language right those are the very key of to make the 50/50 program successful so so that's the reason I say we need to um as as a charter school we tend to have that flexibility um that we able to invest and to hire the teachers who qualify to as a credentialing program the credentialing requirement by the CTC um and then we can uh work with the international teachers uh to um teach in our program so that's the key here thank you any further questions board member benos I'm sorry can can I just please ask board president I I really would like a five minute break I I'm so sorry if possible I think we need to continue I'm sorry okay then I'm going to excuse myself the consens and I will be back thank you I didn't want to miss it but you keep going we're good okay Ben yeah um I'm going to share some thoughts that I put on paper so first off I would like to to take this opportunity to thank the topnotch steam Academy team and Miss Christina Shu for submitting the Char School petition I can see a lot of time and work went into putting the information together at the same time I would also like to thank thank our staff and superintendent Ortega for their hard work time and comprehensive review and Analysis of the petition details as part of my review process and in examining all the material presented to the Board of Education my goal was to keep an open mind regarding the petitioner's request and similarly I had to recall the importance and priorities of our student Community their goals our goals as a district and how to evaluate the impacts of a charter school at this point in time Upon Our student community and the district's budget although I kept an open mind concerns became evident I will share a few concerns regarding the petition itself that are questionable for example the petition lacks d details as we heard here tonight um the petition lacks details in many of the required elements presented in the petition such as programming implementation student enrollment teacher credentialing average daily attendance rate and the lack of advertising and Outreach to Hispanic students given the fact that our district is 91.6% Hispanic and the methods for determin determining eligibility for special ed students and L long-term financing for the success of the charter school to name a few I also have concerns regarding the student recruitment strategy and process as it runs entirely counterproductive to serving a balance of student subgroups reflective of the district's population the district also the petition also presents a flawed instructional design and reveals insufficient planning and preparation to support the staffing needs of the school when fully implemented further it is clear that the petition lacks insufficient information regarding how how the petitioner will integrate the various components into the design in the short future and meaningfully address the educational and other needs of students enrolled in the charter school for example how will they appropri appropriately staff school with qualified experienced teachers and provide and provide professional development although we've heard some proposals tonight um I also I I continue to have a concern because I I feel the district also shares that same concern how would we reach that pool of credential um Mandarin English teachers more important I became overly anxious to see the lack of information as to how the charter school anticipated revenues and budget costs to ensure the fiscal stability and solvency of the school in the short and long-term Future these are only some of the many concerns and or omissions that undermine the soundness of the petition and providing an exceptional educational program and fiscally sound of Charter School within our district as you can see the petition lacks viable information I believe we are a district with Forward Thinking With A Forward Thinking Vision that has a dee rooted commitment to provide outstanding deliverables on a day-to-day basis as we help our students achieve their highest potential for success now and in the future I would encourage those who have not read The District's response to the petitioner to read it at your leisure the district's response is an has been posted on the District web page since December 4th I also think it would be shortsighted of the district not to Recon the district not to consider entertaining the following um the district should consider re-evaluating the district's capacity to once again reintroduce a Mandarin English dual language immersion model into our district one I would also encourage to the district to survey students teachers and parents regarding the need for a Mandarin English dual language emerging model I would also like to encourage the district that during coffee with the principal um superintendent Round Table Community circles and things of that nature that our staff as parents what they know and what they think about the Mandarin English tool immersion model this way the district can get an idea if if they know about it or what they know or the lack of knowledge uh I would also encourage the district to develop better Outreach efforts to reach parents and the community as a whole regarding this full starter Pro proposed startup programs such as this program being discussed here tonight I would also encourage the district to talk about this at the City Council meetings when this superintendent provides his updat so the community as a whole is hearing um the needs or maybe proposals that the school is working on and I know that Mr Orga does that now but it seems like there's this is something that's been on the table for a long time I would also encourage the district to continue to work with the city to get the word out all that being said it is critical to consider the timing of the petition we just finished closing six schools and continue to work through the merging of the schools which remain open and the fact that the Board of Education most recently began working on the Surplus properties and is in the process of evaluating the disposition of those properties it is not a decision we collectively make overnight I believe there is a time and a place for every decision be it in our schools in our homes or in our personal life I believe we can not work in haste to make decisions that appear and sound fruitful yet lack critical data to prevent calls in the future I leave you with this quote by Charles Spurgeon The Waiting itself is beneficial to us it tries Faith exercises patient trains submission and endear a blessing when it comes thank you yes Dr B thank you board president um I will try to be brief in in my comments um I hope that an outcome of this evening is that we can take as a school district and as a city and as a larger community that we can take a Quantum Leap into a more robust concept of unity and Community um it is to me disheartening uh when we talk about a north south divide um it's something that I have felt in my own residency being relatively new to isua and I think that whenever you chose to be part of the zuza community whether that's six Generations ago whether that's you are um from indigenous people that have been on the land since the beginning of the continent or whether you are a newcomer that moved here because of jobs opportunity um I think it's really important to continue the dialogue and say that we are all aans just because we are here together and we have all made that choice to be here so I hope that as part of this dialogue that we can again take that Quantum Leap into actively promoting unity and recognizing that we're all here for a variety of reasons for a variety of time and that that as human beings we have we're all in the same Level Playing Field and deserve all the same equal opportunities for our children for our parents for our community um before my children were school age I did attend as a resident as a protective I attended the uh dual immersion Outreach interest meetings that adverti both English and Mandarin programs and this is my my personal anecdote um it was hard and and I am not uh a mandarin speaker I know enough to just enough to be dangerous I know slightly more in Spanish um my my U native tongue is English and when I attended those meetings um they were um held in English and Spanish and all of the materials were both in English and Spanish and so I as I think we are hearing more interest in Outreach to uh the Mandarin speaking Community um I want to Advocate that materials are and translators and interpreters are readily available so that that if and when we have a ground swell or even two three five families that are monolingual Mandarin speakers that come to the district for any type of question or information seeking that we're able to receive them in a way that's dignified and that we provide to all families um I'm just saying I'm not saying we don't do it but I encourage us to do more and and with that um in some of in some of my work in education um I am encouraging you Mr Orga and and your staff of um excellent Educators to look at the promoto model of trusted advisors as a way to increase our Collective cultural competence in engaging with Asian Community here in isua I think who is doing the talking and the asking and that relationship matters and uh it all begins with conversation and conversations begin with language um and an understanding of one's um cultural and ethnic Heritage so I encourage us to look at that as we expand our footprint in communities um and also communities and and also as we advertise and make current families aware of new programs um as we have adopted uh new programs we're capitalizing on new grants preschool Community Schools it is our responsibility to get that information out there it is not the responsibility of the public to dial into a meeting so that they can find out it's our responsibility as public servants to push it out to families and residents in every way possible and in that respect I don't think there's any possible way that we could overc communicate that and those are my my comments board president any further discussion I I yes I just you know I I wanted to also thank csca for for being here um they're strong supporters as well of all our children and I want to thank you uh for being here and being passionate uh and standing for what you guys also believe and so thank you for that that is all thank you oh I'm so sorry I no I'm I'm good okay hearing none I would like our legal council to explain to the board the options for voting on this petition so that both the board and the public are clear on any action taken by the board Miss Locker can you please come to the podium oh yeah thank you thank you board president yes so so tonight you have an option to approve the petition and under the Education Code you do not need to make written factual findings if the board collectively you know votes to approve the petition document um so you could approve the requested five-year term that was set out in that document or an alternative year or alternative term not to exceed five years your other option would be to deny the petition and so before you and as posted on the agenda there is a draft resolution 23249 and that includes uh an attached exhibit that is reflecting the staff report of the proposed findings effect so by virtue of adopting that resolution to deny you would be effectively denying the petition but you would be also incorporating or adopting the the findings of fact that are listed in that document as your own does that make sense so the board in order to let me just clarify in order to deny a petition you must make written factual findings one or more legal grounds for denial the staff report that was posted on December 4th and a copy of which is included as an exhibit IIT to that resolution includes those listed findings effect as proposed by staff so if the board were to vote to adopt that resolution 23249 including those findings of fact you would be effectively adopting um the resolution to deny with those findings of Acts supporting that decision to deny the board may choose to include additional findings or alternative findings however those would need to either be read into the record or written down those are not within the resolution itself so I will share one other less used option which is called a conditional approval or an approval with conditions that is not something that is set out in the Education Code but other agencies have used it before but what I would share is that that's typically where the petition is largely comprehensive and meets legal requirements but there's just some technical amendments that need to be addressed which could happen via a memorandum of understanding or things of that nature so that is a possibility however when there is a petition that has substantial deficiencies or omissions or problems that would not be an advisable route to take I just wanted to share that with you because that has been done in the past however again it's typically for more non-substantive issues that are identified in the petition that could be easily corrected um after the fact so those would be the three options available to the board any board members have any questions M Locker just for for clarity sure um you started off by saying uh one option is to approve correct the charter so in essence that means if somebody if that's if that's the will of of a board member or board member the first step is to then vote no on the resolution there would need to be a motion so a board member can make a motion and there could be a second on that motion if that motion is to vote to approve the petition and there's a second and a vote is called and that that carries then that would be to approve the petition got it if there is a motion to adopt resolution 23249 a vote of yes would mean that you are taking action to deny the petition a vote of no just means you're not voting to deny the petition that does not mean that you're approving it that's not the default what would happen there is that if that didn't carry the board would still need to take action in some manner in other words you have to affirmatively approve the petition or affirmatively deny the petition and again that resolution as proposed by staff is presented to you for your use if you so choose to use it any further questions so I have a a motion on the floor well yeah I I I move that we adopt resolution 23249 uh to deny the petition I second the motion motion by board member buau second by board member benas having a motion and a second will now we will not vote due to the nature of the importance of this tonight's topic I would like to take roll call as a vote board member Bo yes board member adanes yes board member G yes board member benas yes and I'm a yes motion passes 5 the public the public hearing on the topnotch academy charter petition is now close at 9:59 do I have a motion on the floor uh for adjournment second first by board member Adis second by board member Greer see none I mean both hand yes yes yes yes hand thank you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year we are now adjourned just
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of the the reading of the open public meeting statement and the pledge allegiance so the New Jersey open public meetings law was enacted to ensure the right of the public to have advanced notice of and to attend the meetings of public B which time any business affecting their interest is discussed and acted on in accordance with the provisions of this act and board of ucation policy 0162 Board of Education of the buau of Bound Brook has caused notice of this meeting to be posted in office and high school and may go back to The Courier News Bound Brook cler southbound Brook Board of Education and any person who has requested individual notice and P the please stand Al Mr yes sir Mr Bell here Mr Dawson here M here M Lima Mr zco here miss L Mr Minh here miss H here Mr bmer here Mr janzi Mr President you have AUM thanks very much um for my president's comday just again welcome to everybody that's here in the audience always happy to see so many great smiling faces um and I'll just say happy holidays to everybody as we wind up the rest of so Dr Freeman up to you president good evening and welcome everyone to our December board meeting our last of the calendar year as always it's great to see everyone in the audience we're excited to recognize everyone we have so many wonderful activities going on throughout the district uh door decorating contests parent visitation concerts all great things to get us into the holiday spirit and the spirit is definitely in full effect before we move on to recognize everyone in person I'd just like to take a minute to give a couple shout outs the first is this week or last week we recognized our Educators and teachers of the year uh they were selected by our colleagues to represent their schools for their outstanding contributions and I just want to shout them out for Lamont an Lam Lamont anex we have MCA and miss Kiss for [Applause] lafette we have Miss Nelson for [Applause] [Music] Smalling [Music] yes [Applause] [Music] she might not show up also small scho um educational specialist of the Year Jeff jel at CMS we have this SEL psh and M Guerrero [Applause] classs miss fatro and miss bini all very deserving Round of Applause in addition to that we have uh last night was last night we recognized last night yeah we recognize Mr melis Sero for his going into his 20th year of coaching in addition to that he will be inducted into the New Jersey coaches Hall of Fame on January 14th so we want to recognize him [Applause] for okay next up we'll get to our program we want to recognize our students of the month let's have Dr es come on up to recognize our students [Music] fromont congratulations to Jason delaqua currently in prek in his stranders class um Jason likes to work a small group with his teacher learning about letters and numbers he favorite hobbies watching football and playing t- ball Jason wants to be a police officer when he grows up the reason he was selected by missr is Jason is very is a very caring friend and a great teacher helper he's always trying to help his peers and keep everyone on task Jason's always making sure everyone knows the classroom routine and rules he's always using kind words and makes his teacher smile every day conratulations [Applause] Dad you can get [Music] [Applause] closer congratulations to Marco Sarina curently kindergarten and Mrs gander's class Marcos enjoys on math in school he especially enjoys when we use counters uh his favorite hobby is he enjoys playing football uh Marco wants to be a football player when he grows up reason he was selected as Marco's very smart and plays nicely with his friends congratulations [Applause] Marco [Applause] okay next up [Music] next up we have M K [Music] from our first student of the B Barco from Miss Smith class his favorite school subject is math loves writing a moped and playing soccer and he wants to be a football [Applause] star [Music] [Applause] yeah our next student of the month is Sophia Moran Cortez [Applause] from Miss way and Miss Fitzgerald's class her favorite school subject is math as well she likes coloring cheerleading and building and she wants to be a teacher one [Applause] [Music] next up from small school we have [Applause] Mone our first student of the month is in third grade and her name is Genesis Angelina inz she is in Miss Dinka and Miss guilford's class she has Si a sibling and his name is theago her favorite school subject is coloring and she loves most recently to sing and practice for the school concert and she enjoyed making [Applause] snowflakes [Applause] our second suit of the month is in Miss das's class and her name is Jessica Flores gar is she here there you [Applause] are Jessica has no siblings and her favorite subject in school is math her favorite hobbies are playing outside with her friends and listening to music and when she gets older she wants to be a a makeup artist [Applause] good [Applause] job our fourth student of the month is [Applause] aeria ier has no brothers or sisters but his favorite subject in school is math but he also really likes science he says I love collecting Pokémon cards I enjoy hanging with my friends at middle when he gets older he wants to be a soccer player soccer [Applause] player good [Applause] job our fourth student of the month is in sixth grade and her name is Natasha [Applause] Miranda Natasha is in Mr Bayer's class she has one older brother and also two younger brothers her favorite subject in school is science her favorite hobbies are hanging out at home and listening to her favorite music and her career plans we're still thinking about that but we'll figure it out later [Applause] conrat good [Applause] job next up we have Dr s St hello everyone the community school is proud to recognize Benny Velasco Dominguez as its student of the month Benny was nominated by his teacher uh social studies teacher Mr Bender uh Benny has one brother and one sister and favorite subjects are gym and math Benny enjoys you know as a hobby going to the gym playing basketball and playing video games as a lot of my students do at middle school and when he grows up wants to be an NBA player [Applause] Community Middle School is also proud to recognize Naomi Castro Villalobos as student of the month Naomi [Applause] was Naomi was nominated by Mr Heiser and has two siblings favorite subject in school is Ela social studies and art favorite hobby is soccer and wants to be a doctor when she grows up [Applause] congratulations and smile and [Applause] we're and next up we have cbhs Mr Smith I said Mr Smith all right good evening our first uh Crusader CI Crusader citizen of the month is awarded to Sarah th Sarah has two siblings Alex and Jenna both of which came through the Bound Brook schools um her favorite subject is science she enjoys Sports and Hiking as her hobbies and After High School she would like to attend college and become a nurse [Applause] SAR you [Music] [Applause] all right next up we have Luca soles Luca here all right Luca Luka has two siblings Daniel and Mary and her favorite subject is mathematics Luca enjoys reading skateboarding drawing and writing um career plans for Luca include college and hopefully studying some sort of some form of [Applause] engineering [Applause] all right next up we have Carlos Rado [Applause] Flores Carlos has one brother Harold his favorite subject in school is Art he enjoys playing volleyball and walking with his friends eventually he come a business administrator or a volleyball player [Applause] and last but certainly not least we have Dennis Morland Dennis Dennis has two brothers um his favorite subject in school is math he enjoys weightlifting listening to music and watching movies eventually his career plans include becoming a filmmaker how we know that uh students of the month don't happen without some very dedicate committed parents so let's have a round of applause to next up I would like to call Miss Carbone to the microphone to recognize our district educator of the month it's Jamie [Applause] Bell it is [Music] with it is with great pleasure that we honor Jamie Bell as our employee of the mount Miss Bell's unwavering dedication creativity and passion for Education deeply impact our school Community Miss Bell is more than an educator she's a beacon of inspiration her classroom is a lively Sanctuary where learning transcends the confines of textbooks through Innovative teaching methods she's transformed complex subjects into captivating journeys of Discovery for her students her commitment to fostering critical thinking and creativity has empowered students to excel not just academically but also personally I had the pleasure observing Miss Bell this past week she's currently teaching Percy Jackson to a combination of General Ed and special education sixth grade students Miss Bell gives these students a great deal of confidence to answer as they were in groups analyzing character she circulated and listened to what they had to say before sharing out about each group's character Miss Bell asked if they were ready to share out and gave them more time to write their answer to make sure they were prepared to read out loud for the lower groups Miss Bell made sure they had something written that they could read this developed confidence in all her students to share because she differentiated what they needed in order to share this this trait of hers about developing confidence and making people feel comfortable is her so special most recently Miss Bell attended the governor's holiday party she was invited by her aunt to attend with the span Parent Academy Network and the New Jersey committee for school shortage what truly sets Miss Bell apart is her tireless efforts beyond the classroom her involvement in extracurricular activities mentoring programs and community outreach projects showcases her dedicating to shaping well-rounded individuals her impact extends far beyond the walls of our school her colleagues admire her leadership her friendship and students cherish the her guidance and parents commend her unwavering support and encouragement in fact you can tell how much they love her by seeing how many SMY teachers are here tonight [Applause] some notes from Miss Bell's colleagues include Jamie Bell's a consistent beam of light and energy in our school She's committed to her students in her community she's involved in after school programs and works tirelessly to meet the needs of her student she's kind and welcoming to her co-workers and is always there to help when she come when she can personally Jam's been a mentor and guide from the moment I was hired at Bound Brook she inspires students and teachers alike another Stu another teacher wrote Jamie Bell is an incredible teacher an except exceptional rapport with her students Jamie shows incredible dedication to her both in and out of the classroom and is always trying to become a better teacher for them those are from her colleagues in every interaction Miss Bell embodies the qualities of an exceptional educator she has empathy resilience Innovation and in genuine passion for nurturing and mind it's an honor to celebrate Miss Bell and the invaluable contributions she makes to our [Applause] school got flow congratulations congratul okay okay okay okay our last and final group a very special group to us uh they have a collective of over 60 years of time serving our students parents and the great Comm who is recognized tonight they will not be returning with us after the break these members of our family will move on to the next phases of their life in retirement although we will miss them we're very happy that they will be able to spend the majority of their time enjoying their favorite pastime at this time we like to recognize them and give them a small token of our appreciation who couldn't make it tonight but as always miss deluz is able to make it tonight we would like her to come up front so we can recognize her as always a smile okay Mr Smith you're all right Miss Josephina Dela Cruz was born in south of Dominican Republic on March 12th she is the mother of three wonderful girls and the grandmother of two cute boys and one beautiful girl she's married to the Dominican celebrity Dr Gade palano since since uh prior to becoming an ed an educator Mella Cru was a well-known trilingual engineer speaking three languages including Spanish English and Russian Miss Del Cruz came to the balber school Community 20 years ago in 2003 and has since been responsible for providing learning experiences to her students in a supportive and positive classroom climate Miss Del Cruz epitomizes versatility as an educator as she has taught regular education class classes advanced placement chemistry special education and bilingual classes for our English language Learners additionally Miss Del Cruz was always willing to take on the responsibility for extracurricular activities as an advisor mentor and an advocate of children whether attending prom and dancing the entire evening or chaperoning home homecoming activities she always put her students first her dedication and passion in making boundbrook high school a better place face has been commendable and we would like to personally recognize her for her hard work and dedication to the craft of teaching thank you for being a part of the process and making the high school a positive work environment to learn and grow we congratulate you on your retirement after a tremendous career at Bound Brook High School and we are fortunate to call you a part of the bbhs family of script Josephina I just want to say thank you for everything you've done for us as a school community me personally I feel like I'm a better person for having crossed life's P I wish you the best in everything you do spend time with your wonderful husband your beautiful grandchildren your daughters your son and uh hopefully you'll be able to spend the time doing the things that you would like to do so thank you congratulations please don't be a stranger and we will miss you [Applause] tremendously together yes off let's [Music] [Applause] have asking you to show your shirt your what your shirt officially [Applause] retired thank you so much for your I've only been here for a year every time I walk into the class like walking in Sunshine see the kids respond to you we will miss you but I'm glad that you will be able to enjoy time with your family your grand kid your husband who [Applause] deserve next up they she couldn't be here with us tonight but we have Miss Lord's way from Lafayette school if we could have Miss Griffin come up and say a few words she is watching online so make sure you give the same amount of Applause that you [Applause] Mr Smiths but um so I had the pleasure of working with lordis way my entire career so you know I feel honored to be able to say a little bit of something about her lordis s has been a dedicated educator for 26 years of service in the Bound Brook School District she initially began her journey as a World Language teacher at high school and then she taught World Language at the elementary schools as well and finally her a last um her last part of her job was second grade teacher at laia school and finds immense joy in witnessing her students growth and learning she's fostered lasting connections evidenced by former students returning to express their gratitude by families us other staff member other staff members coming and seeing her her commitment to education and advocacy for students is evident through her years of service and just the relationships that she's built upon retirement lordis plans to devote significant time to her four grandchildren in New Jersey and Colorado and she um anticipates another grandchild on the way her Legacy and education and impact on students and undoubted will undoubtedly continue to resonate in years to come so uh thank you lordis for your time in our district and uh you be greatly [Applause] missed watch all the love in the room and the Applause that was given for you I know you're a very humble person every time I want Clash smile you're so dedicated to the kids we're going to miss you but we're very happy that you're going to be able to enjoy time with your family you won't have to get up early and come in we can just enjoy life we appreciate you and uh hopefully we'll see you to give you your your award award and your gift uh over the next couple [Applause] days next up prom I knew next up is Mr is mol is Mikey here come on up Mike to say a [Applause] few so I just want to start off by saying I'm honored to be able to speak tonight because uh all three retirees have had an impact on me um there are my teachers my mentors so it means a lot to me um on behalf of vren he's worked for the district for roughly 20 years he began his career in 2004 as a technician like myself before being promoted to the director of Technology where he's led the department since then um our team describes him as someone who's caring compassionate and always concerned about making sure students and teachers have what they need to make um teaching and learning the best it could be in their classroom he has worked nights weekends and whatever other time needed to make sure that everything's up and running and classroom learning takes place in an efficient manner this is going to be very because he plans to spend the rest of his time with his grandkids that he loves very much so I just want to say it's it's an honor to be able to speak tonight and I hope um all our retirees can do all the stuff that their hearts desire so thank you very [Applause] much that smiling face sometimes to grow you know that smiling face and your dedication to making sure teachers students Havey but they wish you the best I know you're going to spend a lot of time with your grandkids because you have and so I talk about but we appreciate you all your years of service and we wish you best one last round of [Applause] applause okay at this time we would like to call out all the students and their parents to come to the stage to take [Music] [Applause] a on the stage I'm the wrong one what conratulations remember you were in a no we yeah need Rich out of the way at there's a lot of cameras out there yes don't know where [Applause] to just okay everybody we're going to resume the meeting if that's all right Dr I believe we are still in the superintendent report okay I think that that is it for today I talked to our student Ry said that he gave all the information last time is there anything you want to say like May happy I mean the wrestling team won their match about 30 [Applause] minutes thank thank okay so we're up to actually item 2.4 which is a presentation by Miss Valerie Dolan from our audit is your mine assuming this mic any so sorry to get the record um once again I would like to say thank you it was a pleasure to do the audit um as you know we come out and we kind of go through everything it is a lengthy process from start to finish um but we feel that it is a partnership that we work with the business office all year long so that when we come in to do the audit it really is not an aod kind of audit we're coming in to work through all the things that we have just to give you a quick refresher for anyone you all have your audits in front if you have your audits or electronic or if you have the actual it's really broken into two reports there is a large bigger book which is the AER and that is broken up into four main sections of the report one is a a little small intructor section tells you a little bit about the district there's a letter to management in there additionally there's a large Financial section it covers a lot of information a lot of financial details specifics um and then SEC thirdly there's a statistical section that is the J section that statistical section is 10 years comparative data it gives you 10 years comparative data about boundbrook it gives you 10 years comparative data about actually the burrow the county there's a lot of great information sometimes if you're looking for some history each Year's audit has that a little bit of that history and then lastly there's a section on compliance with all of the grants and all the grant funding second report you received from us is a management report that report details all of the things that we went through during our audit procedures and kind of walks you through any comments findings any issues we might have we would be documenting all of those items within that document um just to go through while it's a lot of reporting I always take you back to the what I feel are the 13 most important Pages which is what we call audit schedule seat one it kind of funny you get all way to report it doesn't actually start until probably I think it's almost like the 90th page of the book it almost kind of get the book that audit document really is your budget when we look at a school district that is the primary focus where does your budget come and where does it take you um so it goes through all of your Revenue it shows you all the detail it walks you through all your expenses all of the Char charges for that budget then then at the end you land with the picture which is really what everybody wants to know how did we finish our year what I would say is that really did finish their year financially stable that is the best way to do it and what we say when we look at these numbers and we go through everything we look at our area of when we come through we start looking at all the accounts did I have to make any real changes to the numbers that have been presented you receive financials every month we come in and look at them overall and so when we made very little changes to those numbers we that means the district has been given reliable financial statements 10 the whole 12 months out of the Year all your decisions are being made off of reliable statements can't say that for all districts but your District you have all those great information I do want to highlight a couple of financial information you do have $2.5 million in a capital reserve that money is your month for Capital future Capal projects and or for things like any broad grants it's your contribution funding back you that ability you have just a little under a million dollars in a maintenance Reserve that money is there to offset and help maintain your facilities for work that's done internally you have a small emergency Reserve that money is set aside just in case it's about $250,000 that just in case Reserve emergency Reserve um there is a small unemployment Reserve that's where the unemployment claim money that sits and so with their R employment claims and then you also have what we call your the last three pieces which is really your h signed fund balance the state of New Jersey allows you to hold 2% of your expenses in a reserve two previous years that we've been here that during the pandemic they let you hold 4% this year they've released you back to the 2% so now you held at 2% you used about $2.4 million in the budget that you're currently operating on and then when I look at it I look at all of those numbers and I say what's the piece that you're going to use to build the budget for next year it's the most important piece you'll be looking to use about 2.3 million ion you'll have 2.3 to Bild which means your budget will be stable from year to year you landed yourself in a place where stability exists a couple other financial highlights you did have approximately over $10 million that went through federal state local grants it's a lot of grant funding that goes through and is managed by the board office additionally your food service has an increase of about $95,000 that really is between the change over from sales back from previous the last two years under the pandemic which fully funded the federal government now we're seeing it Circle back there was some additional grant money that came in in the area of supply chain so that money was given to the districts to help offset some of the costs that you were incurring at a higher rate to try to get that information due to supply chain issues for products um SEC now I want to look at the management report which is really the area that I feel has been the most focused the last couple of years Mike and the business office has done a fantastic job getting you back to a clean audit they worked very hard and very diligently working through and resolving all of the recommendations that have been in the report last year and the year before so they did a fantastic job and I do live issuing a clean audit with no recommendations mayting no formal action on corrective needs to be taken by the board tonight the other area that we do like to highlight is what we refer to as suggestions to management we do school district dotted so across the board we've seen it all so we try to make sure that boards are aware of things that have either become problematic for other districts and or problems that we see coming into the future to give you true planning um one of those areas as I said you had a lot of grant money when there's grant money there's a trail of Auditors so there's always other Auditors besides myself that might come out and look at your grand funding especially with that large dollar sitting out there of receivables and then the other area was we had in the area of food management companies um food management companies are tracking and running all of your operations um what we're suggesting and recommending is that those districts really go through and make sure that the revenue we're always good at looking at expenses and make sure they're spending our money well we want to make sure that our districts are looking at and making sure that the revenue that their recording are is in agreement with the district record um this was not a problem in book we were able to tie everything out but it did occur in a number of districts that we struggled to get through that information so we wanted to make sure that all of our district were aware and we actually talked as a firm we're actually going to be holding a round table to train help train the business office to look for what we're looking for so that we can like I said it's a partnership so that we can make sure that everyone's trained in attention and here if anybody has any questions that's great thank you Miss Dolan and before we get to questions I just want to give a round of applause to our business office they really deserve I know we're a relatively new board but if you go back just two or three years the number of corrective actions that we were expected to take was not a small list and to have that turned around within just the first year to 18 months of having uh Mr Gorski and Dr Freeman on board really speaks volumes to the work that they're doing so again thank you guys you're doing a fantastic job thank you I just wanted to add to that um Mike I know he sits up here he's cool com collected uh in meetings and such but I can tell you he's taking work at home on the weekends he's pulled his hair out running down the hallway you guys don't see it but he's working so hard to make this a reality and he's so relentless I just want to let him know how much I want everybody to know how hard he works and how much I appreciate [Applause] it okay so with that any questions from Miss looks like you got all easy there we go thank you very much for the opportunity evening and a happy holiday to everyone thank [Applause] you okay uh just a point of order do we have to move item 2.5 for approval uh yes sir we we have to take a look for the board to accept the results of the audit and the management report and also the corrective action plan and indicating that there's no recommendations that's required by the county thank you Mr Gorski so be a resolve at the B repard of education on the recommendation of the superintendent accepts the June 30th 2023 annual comprehensive financial report the auditor's management report on administrative findings Financial compliance and performance and the corrective action plan and authorizes the school business administrator to submit all documents to the New Jersey Department of Education and other agencies as required can I have motion please motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr zco any questions hearing none can we do a roll call please yes sir Mr B yes Mr Dawson yes Mr cazino yes Mr zco yes Mr Mr minhas yes Miss H yes M hmer Mr Mr colmer yes thank you Mr Januzzi yes motion passes and Mr chair I may have 60 seconds of course um this is my 24th perfect audit and there's there hasn't been one that that I've been more proud of than than bound books this has been really satisfying I want to thank Valerie Dolan the auditor for all her advice and guidance through the year certainly Dr Freeman and the board without your support none of this would have been possible to all the principles supervisors directors you all played an important part of the internal control process here leading to the results tonight and I want to especially thank Rasha Nasser uh for her collaboration throughout the year emphasis on labor and Tom deido Who provided a lot of technical support with Genesis and state program and so on thank you very much and uh we're going to build on this and hopefully U improve results next year thank you thanks Mike and thanks everybody who made those [Applause] contributions all right at this point we are up to the committee reports so let's start with education Mr Doss good evening everybody uh in our education meeting earlier this month we spoke about an exciting new partnership that the district has been selected to participate in I believe we are one of only two districts who were selected to participate in with a group called elnick which I believe stands for some variation of the Early Learning Network and several other letters um which will help us really look at how to design uh datadriven instruction based around the needs of our kids in both math and language arts so our work with the group will focus in kindergarten in first grade we have a great cross-section of folks who have been selected to participate that represent a variety of of classrooms and needs including general education inclusion settings bilingual academic support ESL reading and this is going to be an exciting adventure for us that will allow us to connect with some experts in the field get some really targeted professional learning going on that will help us look at assessment data um try out some new strategies look at the data that is resulting from that instruction and go forward so particularly um in math we're focused on numeracy and spatial reasoning and in reading the transition to uh the science of reading uh which has been a a big shift in education that we spent some time talking about in our committee meeting so we're very excited about the district's work with this group which will ultimately involve coaching and some walkthroughs and then looking at the results all of us very excited and uh grateful for the staff's work the ad administration's work um to connect with these new resources that's great thank you Mr Dawson any questions from the members for the education committee all right how about governance Mr B okay so at governance we focused again on our strategic planning uh scheduling um the bulk of what we talked about is actually who we want to invite um personally obviously we're going to advertise to everyone in the community in a broad sense through the website and hopefully social media um attacking through the PTO and getting helping having them help us get the word out but we really brainstormed a list of people in addition to those that we want to personally invite so in addition to the board and the staff and the parents and the students which are the you know the meat and potatoes of our school district we also are talking about senior groups Church groups uh we want to personally invite the the council and the mayor um police and fire Recreation alumni so we came up with that fairly short list but if there are more organizations that we're not thinking about that you guys have in mind please send it my way so that we can get a comprehensive list going because we want to get that started soon we also talked about dates um when is getting booked up really quickly and she'll be there to facilitate all these meetings it looks like our first one is most likely going to be February 1 um so put that in your calendar um we will probably take about two hours of your time that night um but more information to come for sure but that will be blasted out in a million different ways very very soon to everybody involved um excuse me the last thing that we did talk about just in the interest of transparency um there had been a notion uh from some board members to maybe because we've had so much trouble filling board seats in the past to possibly decrease our board down to a more manageable number like seven instead of 10 and then we learned from Mr Gorski that it could cost tens of thousands of dollars to put that referendum on the uh on the ballot it was I think 40 45,000 these I don't it was big it was a big number it was more than we want to spend it was basically like a new teacher so we decided we'd rather have a teacher than than decrease our board I thought you could just do it I didn't even know it cost money to put things on the ballot but apparently it cost a lot of money to put things on the ballot so that was tables so that was the that took out about 10 minutes of our time until Mr Gorski was nice enough to give us that little nugget and then we shut that down very quickly so that was the that was our entire meeting any questions for me uh the only thing that I would just add is it's not absolutely necessary for the entire board to participate in the strategic planning exercises but as we were talking with Gwen you know the committee as a whole and you know Mike specifically thought that it would be a great opportunity to have as many of us participate as we possibly can so you know that's likely to mean that we will have a quorum so we'll have to advertise that the board will be meeting in doing that and that's why we're going to be a little bit less flexible with those dates as we probably would have if it was uh an informal type of gathering so we're going to try and firm those up as quickly as possible if you have any major objections um please do let Mike know but otherwise just try and be as accommodating as possible okay sorry I'm going to jump back in so there will be two more meetings after that again we do want hopefully all of us there the way it kind of works is we're hoping a ton of people show up and then when randomly assigns them to tables and one of us would be at each table to facilitate the conversation we're not in any way leading it we're not in any way guiding it we're just there maybe to take notes so the more of us that are there uh the better the other kind of ancillary benefit to that is that if uh more than half of us show up we also get hours towards our next certification uh so that would be three extra hours if if we have enough people at each of those three meetings so there's really two benefits to that all right any questions from Mr B governments yeah Mr minous um just put in the words my head um so in terms of facilitating the the meetings is there are we looking to prepare a list of questions or to have an agenda no of what some items to disc to we don't do any of that Gwen takes care of everything and she basically sends us to tables and there's there are three meetings and each one has a kind of a separate focus and just as an example one of them is you ask the community what do you want and we're just there to take notes and then we hand it all into a larger posted note so to speak we put it all out there for the world to see and say Here's what our group came up with we're just we we really are almost like no takers we're not supposed to be any more valuable to the process than anyone else sitting at those tables honestly okay thank you other questions all right hearing done we will move on to Human Resources uh so Joan is not here with us tonight Sue I know you were at the meeting and taking C notes I'm not going to ask you to do the whole committee report on the fly but if you want to jump in and add anything that I might miss please do let me know um you know in the course of all of our human resources meetings we usually do start by reviewing the register of open positions as well as uh potential upcoming retirements or resignations uh so we did uh complete that activity again this time uh we spent a talking about the job descriptions that you see on the agenda for approval in item uh 7.2 uh we think those are actually going to be significant changes but significantly positive changes that redirect some of the resources within the uh District uh and apply them for better effect so we were really excited to have that conversation to hear that development from our administrators and to see those changes happening scho um those were really the the top two things that I had Sue did you have anything you might like to add obviously no then I guess I did a good job any questions on human resources for from the board no all right we are up to operations Mr Z operations Miss Dolan kind of stole my thunder seriously everything that she had said in relation to the numbers is what's representing my notes Here I will go over some but Mr dski again the board onf of the board and the community we want to thank you and Dr Freeman phenomenal job um does anyone need to rehear those numbers thank you as a result I yield my time back Mr President thanks and then the only other operational item I would like to highlight you've probably heard it about 100 times by this point but the laia C cafeteria has been officially opened uh Dr Freeman's weekend report U was probably one it was one of the highlights for me just hearing how um excited the students were uh when it was finally announced so I'm sure that's a big relief to our friends at laf at school and uh you know for those of us who have kids in the school we were actually able to go and see the Winter concert uh with the big windows in the backdrop pretty so pretty the windows in the back so just happy to report that that's operation is this supposed to be a ribbon cutting ceremony we were going to do something and we may still do something but we thought that it was more important to get the kids in using the facility and give the administration the relief of having the extra Wing in the building and not for that so it's possible but uh we did deprioritize it any questions for Roger or really any of us on operation question the moisture the dampness in the basement that what is this What's the progress or Mr Gorski would you like to speak to that yes sir it was brought to our attention that the new basement walls had an inordinate amount of seage coming through being groundwater from the outside and especially after this last Heavy Rain Dr Freeman noberto and I went down into the basement and all of the four walls were wet and actually bleeding water through it was collecting on the floor there certainly not an expert on this but there appears to be an issue with either the pitch outside of the stool brick where it meets the asphalt the asphalt itself because it may not have been tamped enough and it may be too course or the sealant that was put on the outside of the block could be failing and that's more probable of an explanation because it's so widespread U we met the contractors at the school this morning they were ripping up the expansion chains in the sidewalk and putting in a waterproof caul they were cocking along the edge of the brick where it meets the the pavement they also used a a driveway sealer and put it over the asphalt and they were going to do another coat tomorrow and they also put a sealant on the of um the block so we are going to monitor this and uh and we recommended to Dr Freeman to bring in a independent third party consultant to review the um the outcome here to make sure that it's satisfactory and the board and the taxpayers are getting what they paid for thank you thank you Mr Gorski any other questions on operations all right hearing none we're up to you Miss Gino on Athletics and co-curriculum okay so we had a really great meeting uh I want to thank Jeff steel for coming in and having just a whole lot of feedback for us a lot of notes um a lot of insights from his team um we did talk through you know coming out of our fall season moving into our winter season he's been meeting with all of our winter coaches um getting goals from them on what they what they'd like to see out of this coming winter season which I think is amazing um also some highlights you know we we talked about um you know wish lists that those coaches have of things throughout the buildings that we could improve on um things in the gym in the West in the wrestling rooms locker rooms um things like floor paint ceiling upgrades so for my understanding uh Mr steel and Mr Gorski will be walking the facilities reviewing some of those uh wish list items and then bring those back to the board so we can see what we can do um to make improvements there um he also brought up we had discussed uh our tennis team coming out of The Fall season um because our tennis program does consider their home field over at Colonial we discussed the idea of maybe having like a fan van or a fan bus where we could get students that want to come and cheer those students on for tennis that maybe we could arrange for some kind of a commuter bus that would help take students over to Colonial Park to cheer on uh those tennis players because they are so far off site um which I think is a great idea um we also talked through our partnership with ASG football so that's an ongoing um conversation that uh coach Lain and the ASG team leadership and Jeff steel are having so you know continued progress on that that um we also um discussed some um some hiring and some new position that he might like to see within uh the athletic department so more to come on that um we also discussed uh the idea of having a a doctor coming in to perform uh athletic physicals for students that um kind of don't have the resources to go out to a physician maybe they don't have a a major practitioner so if we can offer that service I think we're finding in a lot of the Athletics um that that would be a big service to our student athletes to do that so we discussed you know how we can move that forward a little bit and then um last but not least we brought up school branding I mean personally I'm a huge advocate for the B Brands um keeping it consistent we you know we've got a lot of history here in the district so um I'd love to continue that conversation of how we keep the consistency around who we are as a crator what that looks like using our doubleb um keeping color fonts things like you know so that we don't see as much variation amongst all the breadth of our um Athletic program so more come on that too that sounds like a very busy meeting nice job Lisa uh any comments questions on extra perul yeah just uh comments uh I actually met with Coach Le the other night have that you set up having nothing to do with being a board member um but I mentioned to him kind of off hand about The Branding and he was in love with the idea as well so being a coach of two different sports he sees the variation as well so um you're not alone thinking that's a good idea that we should have an identity I can share a little bit of an Insight this is like kind of new information coming in but um I also had the a chance to meet the leaders at ASG and right now they're marketing that program as a straight up ASG program and we discussed that that program needs to transition to boundar program so me knowing what I know we're g to convert logos design helmets uniforms to be bound work football and not ASG so I'm going to add to just seeing that you put some work into the logos and everything that came out here and they look they just look sharp they look so nice and just again having that across all the schools just to be the same is a plus did a nice job all right any other comments or questions for extracurriculars all right Sue anything for scce is yes we met on uh December 6th and in um there was a presentation for the SLA St uh student learning achievements and you know with you know the Somerset County at is um students who come from many different schools and many of the students there were below grade level some of it was with covid and some was just the uh you know where they were in their district and then just you know functioning where they are and um you know just working with the teachers and the staff Etc um the superintendent report he said that he went down to njsba the workshop in Linux City and you know was just networking with other districts and and consortiums um they did hire a new cosmetology programming instructor they've really been trying to do that it was something that was high interest and now they have that and they're starting to kick off that program they're also meeting with Architects um for the Career Centers for supermarket and pulling are learning um there're still you know they had uh sold off the majority of the buses and their transportation now is basically dealing with special ed and um rooting for districts but not getting the buses there and they have 350 groups that they that they manage now um they're still in negotiation with their teachers they did have their annual Thanksgiving dinner which is the staff and students all you know all together uh celebrating um Thanksgiving um there were some new hires three new teachers and three new support staff um they went over policy and regulations and it just was revisions proposal proposals and just abolishing old policy um and the Moa with Bridgewater Township law enforcements which you have to do every year and that is it another pretty full meeting thank you for the update any questions for suit on the SCC all right uh before we wrap any other comments or questions on committees in general hearing none thank everybody for the reports again another full uh set I know that the Committees are actually where we spend majority of our time in terms of understanding the issues and deliberating on uh what actions need to be taken when we get to the table for these uh business meetings so thanks everybody again for both participating and uh for my committee chairs for the leadership you guys are doing a great job and it shows in the work so nice B time at this point we're up to item number 5.1 which is open to the public for agenda items only uh please note that in accordance with District policy 0167 members of the public must sign in at the podium or online provide the name address and group affiliation if applicable um the public participation is limited to three to five minutes in duration and no participant may speak more than once on the same topic until all others who wish to speak on that topic have been heard anybody in the room how about online agenda thank you I actually remember this good uh none on none on the agenda online very good so we are up to item number 6.1 approval of the meeting minut be resolve at the bound Board of Education upon recommendation of the superintendent approve me the minutes for the following meetings regular and executive session November 29th 19 uh 19 can I have a motion motion thank you Mr F second second thank you Miss H any discussion all right heing none can we have a roll call please certainly Mr B yes Mr Dawson yes M cazino yes Mr zco abstain so loed Mr minus yes M High yes Mr vmer yes and Mr Janus yes motion passes thank you up to item 7.1 be it resolved that the superintendent recommends for approval the resolutions as outlined in District Personnel resolutions this is 7.2 through 7.31 I have a motion motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr Z any discussion all right hearing none can we have call Mr B yes Mr Dawson yes yes Mr zco yes Mr vas yes m h yes Mr yes Mr janosi yes motion passes thank you item 8.1 resolve that bound Board of Education approves resolutions as outline District education resolutions this is 8.2 through 8.16 I have a motion motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr Dawson any discussion really talking to group tonight how about a roll call please Mr B yes Mr Dawson yeso yes Mr zto yes Mr Minas yes m h yes Mr bmer yes Mr J yes motion passes thank you item number 9.1 be it resolved that the B Board of Education approves the resolutions as outlined to board action resolutions this is 9.2 through 9.16 can I have a motion motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr zco any discussion just want to thank everybody for all the organizations and individuals for all the donations that they've were given to us especially this time here thank you very much who El said sir I have a question actually on number 9.2 is that only restricted to students or are members of the general public able to buy as well you'll get there don't worry oh yes student students only right I just want to make sure it's a great idea hope you guys have a lot of fun with that at scho Pie Face we were going to do pie of board member but we weren yeah next time next time you know funny in my school we do p teacher as well and somehow I've won twice both times we've done it I've been ped it's phenomenal something that's it any other comments or questions on anything in section n all right hearing none can we have a roll call please Mr B yes Mr Dawson yeso yes Mr zco yes Mr minhas yes M High yes yes yes thank you we are now up to other matters to come before the board hearing none is there any new business from any of the board members I'd like to propose something new to add to the agenda that if this is the right time and place for can so I've been uh really intrigued with the data collection that we've been doing as a district but yet I don't really understand it enough to really I feel like I could use some education on it I'm wondering if there's a way we can include um you know we do committee meetings is there a way we can include an update on data or just a quick like learning it doesn't have to be a full-blown presentation maybe it's just a couple of slides but just something we could do every month to just like pick a topic pick something how we're using it I think it's a huge factor in the district that honestly I would just like to dig in and know a little bit more about it as a board member um first can I just point out that Mr is is blowing right now very excited we don't mean like you're full-blown like 2 hour we just need like a couple slids the Ross experience just a little bit a little bit I apologize apolog I actually did mention that in our our meeting govern meeting and I completely forgot to put it in my notes so I did bring that up with Dr Freeman already for you I just think I I mean I don't know who else on the board would would you know feel that's helpful but for me it would it would be really really helpful yeah and I think having data being a part of our goals for the last two years you're not really far off base we all agree with you um the two things that I would point out and then I'll defer to Dr freem because I know he wants to get a word in as well um the first one is I would suggest attending an education committee meeting to start I'm pretty sure from the ones that I've been to and I think I've been to most of them over the last six months that discussion about data is prevalent in everything that's presented to us so definitely if you can make it to the next education committee meeting do that the other note is actually for you we go back to Glend and come through with a list of um training that we might think about taking up this year put that on the agenda as well it won't be as specific to the district but it'll be more you know building that level of aw of what data is available but then how it's it's generally used so Dr at this point to you yes we can we can definitely do something like that I think Mr President said was U pretty accurate if you come to the education committee but besides that we can we can do some in other informal training we just arranging time uh to to kind of make it to break it down in the easily digestible yeah uh pieces where you could understand it so when we get to the point where we're talking about this these large reports you would be able to break it down yourself but that's a very valid point and we'll we'll make it happen thank you guys thank you for that [Music] Mrs any other new business from the members all right we are now open to the public for discussion this is open to the public all items um I will refrain from rereading the passage but the same notes apply here expectation is that people will sign in uh State their name address and group affiliation speak for 3 to five minutes and we will make sure that everybody has a chance to be heard before we hear from the same people on the same issues anything from the room awesome anything nothing online thank you sir with that we are up to item number 13 which is to move to go into executive session he resolved that the B Board of Education inter executive session is allowed by njsa 104-1 [Music] under4 and S it's always4 and S yes 14 and S can I have a motion moot thank you Mr Dawson a second second thank you Mr B all in favor I'm ready if you're ready everybody ready yes yes at least the welcome back everybody we're up to item 14.1 resolved that the bber Board of Education approves the resolutions as outlined in Hib cases under high school this is 14.2 and 14.3 can I have a motion motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr Dawson roll call please Mr Bell yes Mr Dawson yes Mr cazino yes Mr zco yes Mr Minos yes M Hy yes Mr bulmer yes Mr J yes motion passes thank you item 15.1 be it resolved that the bound Board of Education approves the resolution says outlined in HIV cases under middle and elementary schools this is 15.2 and 15.3 have motion motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr Min house roll call Mr B yes Mr Dawson yes Mr gazino yes Mr suco yes Mr Minos yes M yes Mr yes Mr jzi yes motion passes thank you item 16.1 I will entertain a motion toour motion thank you Mr B second second thank you Mr Zer all in favor I yes happy holiday
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Montreal you do it too C meetings on I want to make sure kind of need turn do to have families are not supportive we still have the resources to provide families with the ability to have the conversation okay we are ready uh we are live streaming let's stand for the pledge please pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all right Dr I'd like to take the roll if I may please sir okay uh Mrs Abu is not here Mr capano is not here Mrs Fredo here thank you Mr Garcia is not here Mr nadw here Dr pontiano here Mr Rancor here Mr Russo here mrakia here and Mr yuzi is not here Dr Hayes Dr pontano go ahead do you go first yes I have some very exciting news to share this evening our very own uh student council Irene ropos has been selected as Cliffside Park's representative for the 2024 National girls and women in sports day so on Sunday January 14th at Jersey Mikes Arena recers women's basketball host Penn State at 2 all njsiaa member schools nominate one female student athlete to attend the event Irene our representative and three uh of her family members will have admission to the game and she will be recognized during halftime and the njsiaa will provide a certificate and small gift to each athlete I'm very proud of Irene and I'm very proud of the girls volleyball team who have brought the first Banner to Cliffside Park in volleyball I was in the gym the banner isn't even up yet there's nothing up there for volleyball so congratulations to the team team to coach brunelli on getting coach of the year for his Division and uh for Irene being recognized as the learo for that team congratulations Irene and we wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season awesome awesome so I would like to reiterate what I said at our work session and thank our athletic director David porpo for the notes that I believe everyone has and uh glad to have a chance to look them over and a lot of good news in there so public and Board of Education thank you to Mr porfido for all he does for our student athletes and for reporting out on it this evening I'd also like to once again commend Mrs martinat and the entire staff at PS number five for the awesome recognition that they received as being an Esa distinguished School award and and over the next few months as the state department communicates more with us regarding uh Commissioners visits and celebrations I'll keep the Board of Education apprised uh regarding the agenda items 29 Personnel resolutions 10 policy and procedure resolutions and four Hib investigations of the four Hib investigations two are confirmed two are only alleged and not confirmed but in each instance parents were notified counseling was provided and one of the confirmed had a student who was suspended for disciplinary reasons um other than that I also wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season and as your interm superintendent I just want to once again Express to all of you my gratitude I'm truly honored to be in clide park and it's we're kind of at the midyear point and I believe in knockwood that we're having a successful School Year and thank you board of education for your support really appreciate it and thank you for your leadership thank you um you had big shoes to fill I certainly did and we have had a very smooth transition in my opinion so thank you very much for all you do for us to the shoes I fill I want you to know I speak to Mr romanino at least twice a week thank you you we um Mr Alano that concludes superintend report okay there's a couple of items Dr Hayes um we are in the midst of getting our bids together effects and advertisements for two major projects we've been talking to the board about um doing the external component of the gymnasium lobby at the high school and the addition we'll keep everyone posted on that we're buttoning up the spec with land Associates our architect and engineering firm and we're also going to take on a uh univent project at number six school that will also hopefully be happening in late spring and that will be going out bid the good news about that project is we are getting a rod Grant which will approximately 40% of the cost will be reimbursed through a grant and that's probably based on the allocation and the assessment of the project that grants could be worth in the neighborhood of $700,000 so we'll keep everyone posted on those two major potential bid projects high school gym Lobby Renault and addition and the uh installation of all un AG vac at school number six um the full year 23 audit which was the school year that ended in June uh went well I handed out all the booklets to the board the corrective action plans all the key documents have been uploaded we've started ear our early audit deliverables for full year 24 uh our transportation report our enrollment report which is called Assa and our charter school report all have been certified on time and all have been audited and approved by our Auditors so uh we're are now going to get once January comes around we're going to get into the software for the 2425 budget and I'll keep the board and the finance committee apprised of the first blush what we look like in regard to the Gap the Gap is usually our expenses exceed our revenues the first Go Round And we decide where we're going to make appropriate cutdowns to balance the budget but again unfortunately timing we don't get our state aid to the very very very end of the process which is the end of February and a week later we have to hit the button and deliver it to the county and the state that's the tricky part of budgeting you don't know if you're going to get the same state aid year-over-year higher or lower we've been running like an EKG over the last four years we were lower year over year four years ago then we were higher then we were lower and last year were higher year over year so we really difficult to forecast when you don't really have a trend line uh we haven't got any ction if they believe state will be flat will be incrementally higher so again you're flying a little bit blind what we do in the first blushes of the budget in January we keep it flat year over-ear then we do some sensitivity tests what happens if we get 15% less what does that do to the budget what happens if we get 10% more so we do what if scenarios just to kind of replicate if we do get same state aid if we get higher state a or lowest they we're kind of prepared to understand where we have to make Cuts or we have the flexibility of pumping more dolls into certain line items so we do all that prior to actually getting the formal state aid notice which again doesn't happen till the very end of February and usually we have to deliver the resolution and we have to uh hit the deadline button on the software and Home Room around March 5th or 6th so it's really only about five business days you have from the time you get your state aid so we'll keep everyone a post posted as we work through uh the process that's pretty much all I have Dr Hayes um Mr savastano was told me there was no questions from uh the public is there any questions or anything the board would like to add before we go for a vote a motion is that Mr terach may I have a second if I may please second okay that's uh Mr nadw okay Mrs Fredo yes Mr nadw yes Dr pontano yes Mr Rancor yes Mr Russo yes mrakia yes okay on that note a great holiday great New Year healthy and safe and a motion to adjourn if I may any questions from no I I asked Mr sa no no worries I asked Mr Sav no no no worries okay may I have a second if I may all right that's Mr raint thank you again everyone enjoy your holiday Lis thank you foring app everybody Merry Christmas mer Christmas every
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body welcome to the December 21st 2023 meeting of the anara renters commission the purpose of uh this the renters commission is to advise the city council and the city administrator in matters affecting renters in our city the renters commission is made up of voting members who are appointed by the mayor and approved by city council two non- voting city council Liaisons two non- voting members representing different landlord perspectives and a non voting representative from the University of Michigan Student Legal Services speak during any of the public opportunities you'll be able to speak through the webinar link or by phone uh for phone access please call 877 85352 47 and enter a meeting ID 935 881 941 uh to use uh the web link it is a2gov.org renters commmission meeting with the first letter of each word being capitalized uh you will then be called on by City staff using the last three- digigit of your of your phone number or by your username so and you'll have three minutes to speak so moving on to ro roll call here it's item two uh I am here calling from an arbor commissioner Chen I am calling from and NR Michigan and thank you so happy to have you welcome commissioner Kelly here also calling in from an arbor great commissioner dran here in an arbor welcome commissioner Els here also in an arbor welcome commissioner Lowe's commissioner tibits here in an arbor as well nice to see you commissioner Rosen I'm here and an arber hello commissioner Ratcliffe here in an arbor okay nice to see you looks like you're in Mao but looks are deceiving commissioner Thomas commissioner uh pittz here from an arbor hello commissioner good here in an arbor uh council member Rina here in an arbor council member Harrison is not able to make it okay let's see we have one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 11 oh no okay but not voting members my bad one two okay great wonderful so now we can move on to item three approval of our agenda um is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented still moved move by Julia do we have a second I'll second second by rosanita all right um all those in favor of um approving the agenda say I I I I all those oppos and a okay approved our agenda uh next move on to item four approval of last meeting's minutes so here we have the minutes of the November 16th 2023 renters commission meeting um do we have a is there a motion to approve last meeting minutes a motion motion by Patrick thank you second second by Jamie thank you all those in favor uh say I I I I I suppos to name okay approved unanimously right now we move on to our first general public comment period so I'll hand it over to you Kristen than um public comment can be made by phone by calling 877 85352 47 or 888 78899 and entering meeting ID 935 881 941 if you're calling in you can press star um n to raise your hand if you are joining from the web link um you can use the raise hand feature to join by the web link go to um a2gov.org rter commission me if there is anyone who would like to address the renters commission for up to 3 minutes go ahead and raise your hand no attendees have indicated thank you Kristen so we can move on to item six uh old business uh 6-a is our first item here which is approval of the 2024 meeting Calendar let me pull it up here all right so um we need to decide what day and time we're going to meet next year um I believe that there was some tentative consensus on the same time and the same day but let's I'd like to open it up does anyone feel that uh this should be changed for next year I'm happy to stick with the with the current schedule good to hear um anybody else is this inconvenient for anybody okay going once going twice all right well seems like we have consensus around 7:30 pm on the third Thursday of each month on Zoom great uh thank you Christen for coordinating with CTN on that okay so now we can move on to 6-b uh approval of uh 2024 renters commission work plan which we had begun discussion on last month pull that up as well okay so at our last meeting we went through our old work plan um we crossed off and read the items that we felt that we had finished um highlighted in yellow the things that we are currently engaged uh in or with and uh I think added in blue I believe new items potential new items yeah so is there anything on this work plan that you all feel shouldn't be here or that should be added e okay well I'm not seeing any hands seems like you know we had some discussion last time uh doesn't sound like we there's anything else to add that we can think of at the moment I guess uh just a minor point with the um under commissioner education towards the bottom bot of that section we have the stakeholder engagement meetings should that actually go in the section below for stakeholder education since it's it's that's the target audience for who we're trying to engage it's a good question I think it depends on who we consider being educated in that in a meeting if we're it would probably be a little bit of both us educating the public out materials and us being educated by the public but see Jamie yeah I just have a clarifying question the one right above that ordinance aimed at slowing gentrification and displacement in other communities um is that referring to communities surrounding an arbor displacement in like other communities outside like spillover do we know I'm I'm not familiar with this point it's a good question I don't remember who proposed this I like it I think I it's interesting but I'm just was like a little unclear on um I would assume it refers to spillover into nearby neighboring cities townships I'd like to add tc1 zoning to this uh that seems to be a big topic of discussion currently and I feel that we haven't really adequately uh address that yet go ahead Chad um I was going to say the uh if you're talking about the advocate for Staffing for enforcement and junk fees um those are both things that are actively being worked on and so I think adding them to the work plan is also fine uh so that we can make sure that we're continuing to get updates on them uh as that work is happening great thank you yeah I suppose advocating for Staffing uh for enforcement that would go into rental housing reform um if we maintain these categories here and junk fees would probably go there too dc1 zoning probably commission education to begin with we should just learn about it first okay um resita um see I'm trying to look but it what point is the city gonna this might be more for um as a council member of Adina but when is the city going to start um implementing any of its new uh was it green green rental housing um because I think that is something that we kind of would need to learn about yeah I think that might be a topic that might be worth getting um uh as seeing if OSI would like to come give an update as well I know it's something that continues uh to be on their radar and they're working on um I don't have probably a full update that I can provide right now other than I know that um energy commission for example keeps pushing on that as well um and I know that there are still some details that OSI staff are working on and trying to get across the finish line so that we can um bring something back to council um so it's something that I need actually need to check in on myself um as to where we are but um I know that it's it's a matter of OSI staff is very uh bullish on this but is trying to get like a few details worked out so that they're confident that all of the pieces are aligned yeah I think that's um a great idea to add that here um um I think that could go under commissioner education anything else okay uh Kristen would you like me to arrange these into categories since it's kind of a explosion all over the paper okay all right last call for anything else any other ideas all right thank you everybody okay well we can move on to six oh no sorry we need uh do we need to motion to to adopt that plan or do we just automatically adopt it you can motion to adopt it both sure yeah do we have a motion to adopt the work plan as it stands I'll move to adopt the work plan thank you resita second second by was I think it was Julia oh no excuse me Jamie um okay all those in favor of adopting this work plan say I all those oppos say n okay the work plan is adopted unanimously thank you everybody for putting some work into it okay uh great now we can move on to 6-c which is a discussion of short-term rentals in our city Okay so I um I've been reading up on short CH rentals and some of you may already know all this information uh but uh let me open up the city's website because the city the city's website really does explain it pretty well um so um any rental any any rental unit that is um or dwelling that is rented for less than 30 consecutive days is considered a short-term rental and everybody who operates a short-term rental needs to have a license to to do so and they receive the license through an application on stream um and in order to be even be able to apply I believe you need to either live in a certain Zone in the city or you live in your own um you live in the the the D dwelling so if you want to do a short-term rental in your basement for example you could do that even if you weren't in one of the specific zones so let me show you all so here are the zones in which short-term rental licenses may be approved um with that exception of uh owner occupied units so if you're in residential and you live in the dwelling you can still apply for a license so it's this is office um C's D's and but not tc1 and I can show you where they these are in the map so we if we take a look here um the se's are this kind of reddish like mauve color uh the se's are it's you're allowed to apply D and uh me see and office okay but all of this the residential you're not now when it comes to PUD I asked Kristen about this and I I think she got an answer which is that it depends is that is that right Kristen it depends on the Pud yes um okay the Pud stands for plan unit development and those are kind of like special Case by case and so they'll be kind of different every time and so it may include or it may not I think most likely not um okay thank you Rosita I see your hand up so does this mean that only owner occupied residential units are allowed to have short-term rentals go ahead Travis before I say the wrong thing um yes but um the answer is yes for like if you are in a residential Zone um unless you are it is your primary residence you cannot create a new short-term rental prior to the city's short-term rental ordinance which regulated short-term rentals the city had been approving some short-term rentals and residentials zes as leases because that there was nothing on the books as to treat them otherwise uh or as as uh rental properties so any of the short-term rentals that exist in residential zones um that had previously been licensed by the city as rental properties have what is called non-conforming use status um and so essentially they are allowed to continue operating because they had previously been licensed as a non-conforming use by the city and were acknowledged in that way um but if they were I believe it's if they were to cease occupy or uh operating as a short-term rental for I believe the period of a year they would lose that status um and so then they would that property would no longer qualify um but that's kind of the design because essentially because they had been previously licensed by the city there's that slight special exemption for any that had previously Ed so a real world example would be like how would it work if you they were in like say pittfield Village which is a condo complex which is residential but still has um but also has the HOA I guess the condo association then are they still if if they if there were people doing short-term rentals before this then there allowed but if they weren't then they're not allowed or is it like how does all yeah it's a little complicated um the so I don't know how the HOA May prohibit them from happening and so that's a that's an issue between the HOA and the the residents um but if they were operating prior to the short-term rental ordinance passing at the city level um then they would likely be they would likely qualify as a non-con form in use to continue operating um in that capacity um if they were not they would not be able to establish as a new short-term rental and my other question also I think you'd be the one who could likely answer it is with the short-term rentals the residential ones and um including within the new the the newly approved um um complex they think it's going to go downtown if you're approving a certain number of them as short-term rentals do any of those short-term rentals in a new complex also have to have an accessibility set aside Sor what do you mean as an accessibility C assine well you know is it state law basically like all States a number of in a in a newly built in a complex you have to have a certain number of accessible units for accessible for people who have disabilities right and I know that like say the new complex that's going to get built is going to have a certain number of long-term rental units that are accessible but when approving for short-term rentals within that same building do a number of the short-term rentals within that building building also have to have an accessible number of units or is it that no one who say has a disability is going to be able to rent any of those short term so I believe that all of the new construction would need to be ADA Compliant um so with kind of that so that's what I believe the the requirement would be for all of those units I don't know that there's like a separate I I would have to get back to you on if there's any type of separate um requirement Beyond existing Ada and like building code for new constructions but Travis are those are those kinds of buildings getting approved I mean I thought the whole point of the short-term rental thing was that like wouldn't that be under the like third party ownership or are we seeing that we're actually getting short-term rentals approved in some of these new development high-rises think I think what might be getting referred to is the Southtown development which is a PUD um and so that was part of the negotiated agreement so I realized that I live in a PUD and it's not a new building but there's also from what I I believe there's short-term rentals going on now in the building um how does that work do you happen to know I mean if if it wasn't negotiated during the beginning of the zoning as a PUD can that can that be changed this goes back to the so if they were operating prior to the short-term rental ordinance and they were getting licensed by the city they are in existing non-conforming use um and so because they because they had been licensed by the City previously um just because we changed the designation didn't mean we could rip out the license from under them um and so um if they were existing prior to that short-term rental ordinance yes they would kind of be included in as an existing non-conforming use um until essentially they no longer operate in that way so if they were to ever not operate as a short-term rental for the period of a year um I believe it's that year um then then they could when they reapplied they may not be granted that that exception um but that was largely the unfortunate concession we had to make make because the city had been licensing them prior to any designation as them separate from an ordinary rental makes sense thank you Julia it so my concern is that um you know there's units sitting empty because it's not a football game and you make more money on the football game and it used to be housing and now it's not it's a hotel um and that a lot of these are operating without being licensed so is there some process are there fines is there a way to file a complaint is their way to view all the license yeah if if they're operating as an unlicensed short-term rental they're in violation of of local ordinance and could be signed by the city if that gets reported um so yeah absolutely if if you know that there's something new that's operating as an unlicensed shortterm rental you should let the city know and there's is there a way to double check if they have the license like I don't think they do but I don't know for sure right yeah I mean like the the city would be able to try on that obviously before issuing a citation um I don't know if that's a public facing I would have to get back to you on that if there's like a public facing registry they are in stream if they're licensed and the first um like the part of the permit number or the license number is Str Str so if you search Str Str you'd be able to see okay thank you thank you Kristen yeah I do see the license for units in in my complex here so it cost $500 for the application per year um and when I was looking through the city's website on it which I think overall is is pretty good um I noticed that there was no Complaint Form there so it wasn't immediately obvious to me how to submit a complaint if I suspected there was illegal short-term rental that's one thing that perhaps City staff could change um I have talked to a number of tenants in town who um are convinced that they were pushed out by an illegal short-term rental um I think in some cases they they seem to have evidence of it um so that is concerning and I have I mentioned this last time I I did speak to somebody from a company that sells a pro some program that um supposed to be able to to detect the short-term illegal short-term rentals however I'm realizing now that the number that they would have arrived at probably is not accurate because some of those most likely were res um owner occupied even if they were not in the correct Zone and they would have the program would have no way of knowing that because it wasn't yet the city didn't purchase it it wasn't integrated into the system so I don't know how many illegal short-term rentals there are right now I'll add that um I learned today that uh rental Housing Services is working on putting together a complaint form and a like a formal process for that for shortterm rentals and and I do think to some extent that the city is also monitoring if there are properties being added to Airbnb and things like that within the city um so they're also looking at some of those known vendors for short-term rentals it's great to hear Jamie the um process for the getting the short-term rental certified is it similar to like the inspection process that goes the city does for properties or is it just like the purpose being so that the city knows like who's doing it I don't know exactly what the process will be I know that um rental Housing Services is the department that enforces it so I think it would be a similar process um and I I think there may be a different type of fact gathering before compared to other types of Parental complaints so not sure exactly what that will look like um it's in the works though it's great to hear um I was going to suggest that we should check in with rental Housing Services just to see what their enforcement strategy was but it sounds like they're already working on that so it would just be nice to hear uh in their next update um about that any other questions concerns rosanita um just thought of curiosity has there been you know like a steady increase or has it been an exponential increase than the number of short-term rental rental units versus the number of pre like the previous number of long-term rentals is there a correlation between long-term r is going down and short-term rentals increasing do we know I don't know that off the top of my head we would probably have to check in on how many um license applications we've received um I would be surprised to learn that the number of short-term rentals is increasing at a rate that is quicker or faster than long-term rentals um simply because of some of the requirements that we have and actually I think um the Southtown PUD is I would have to think on it a little bit but I think that might be the first one where we've actually approved as part of AUD zoning where we've actually authorized short-term rentals um as part of that agreement and ultimately part of my consideration in that was the number of long-term rentals far outweighed the number of short-term rentals in what they were proposing um so I I would be surprised if that were the case but I don't know off the top of my head what the numbers are yeah I'm just wondering and because the short terms how do you settle the price I if I'm the owner I could just say hey I want to rent out out for $200 and I I just want to rent it out for $50 any standards to the price to and is there any safety or security standards for those people a check and when they are paying is there any way to show that this is the income that the proes or whatever any policies and any ways to help the things getting better like that um unfortunately probably not um um so I think this would likely fall under the similar restrictions that we have around all rent control um where the city can't stipulate what the price is that people are getting charged um and unfortunately I will say that anything that I've seen in terms of movement at the state level on this seems to be about prohibiting the municipal governments from controlling short-term rentals as opposed to more regulations of short-term rentals themselves so I don't think we're going to see any positive movement at the state level in that direction that would that would give us more [Music] power Rosita this should be my last question on This I Promise um besides the application you know and license to have the short-term rental does the city make any income off of it like occupancy fee Hotel kind of no no we don't we don't have a similar um like location B like fee that we can charge for like a tourism fee or uh um it's it is something we have considered advocating for in the past at the state level that we would be able to charge kind of like a hotel occupancy tax um for visitors but it is not something that we we can currently charge that really was my last question I'm just going to say that I see I've seen it in other states and other municipalities where at least you know got something out of it that's my last comment on it thank you anything else on this topic okay um let's see seems like we just want to keep oh go ahead John hey folks um I was listening on the phone but now I'm here um what you might want to do is invite Chris McFarland from the rental housing to talk about how they inspect them how they apply um the new Complaint Form that they're working on um email them some questions ahead of time um maybe Lea as well but if you if you have a bunch of questions uh send them to Kristen and Kristen can send them to Chris McFarland because Chris Kristen and I were talking with Chris McFarland and kind of peppering him with questions as well earlier about how how you know what kind of complaints are we getting what kind of proofs are there what kind of problems have there been with respected tenants um are the neighbors complaining uh because of loud parties or trash or things like that um are are they available to look at at the stream so this is just you guys are just kind of the tip of the iceberg today but if you want a more in-depth we should invite them and email them questions ahead of time that they can kind of respond to either ahead of time or that at that meeting if you want to um talk about short-term rentals whether it's the impact on long-term rentals in the tenants or whether your concern is for um life safety health things aspects of the uh short-term rental tenant themselves thank you John um yeah maybe we can have them in sometime in the spring um or you know maybe February something a little bit earlier give him some time to finish that Complaint Form okay we can move on then to uh item seven new business we can begin with 7- a security deposits um Gail I I'll pass it off to you thanks there's like zero segue between what we we were talking about in this but just just bear with me I'll give you a little overview of security deposits and if you have any questions let me know it's fairly straightforward um but I uh attached is the Michigan landlord tenant relationship act which in Michigan governs security deposits so the definition of a security deposit is any amount that's paid by a tenant to the landlord that's held for the lease term over and above the first month's rent as long as it's return able to the tenant if the apartment is not damaged and all the rent and utilities have been paid so it doesn't matter what the landlord calls it because sometimes landlords have tried to say it's not really a security deposit if it's above and beyond the first month's rent then it's considered a security deposit in order for a landlord to hold a security deposit they need to make sure that they let a tenant know within 14 days of their taking possession of the rental property where what financial institution is holding the security deposit they usually it's usually it's often noted in the lease so that's not usually a problem but occasionally it's it's come up where landlords forget to let a tenant know where their security deposit is being held um the exemption from um security deposits are cleaning fees so if cleaning fees are included in a lease and they're non-refundable like it doesn't matter if your um rental property is like sparkling and Shing at the end of your lease you're still not getting your cleaning fee back if it's non-refundable the Michigan courts have said it's not considered a security deposit so it's separate from a security deposit I I used to see a lot more cleaning a lot more fees being called cleaning fees I haven't seen that quite as much lately there's a lot of fees but I haven't seen them called cleaning fees um in Michigan the limit for a landlord to hold of a security deposit is 1.5 times point and a half the the rental amount uh the monthly rental amount and at the end of the lease the security which the security deposit which is always the property of the tenant um can be used to let to reimburse the landlord if if there's any damage to the property if damage above normal wear and tear um or if there's any arear in rent or Utility payments and then there's there's sort of a process to get the security deposit back so the first thing that's required for a tenant to do to get the security deposit back is that within four days of the end of their lease they have to give the landlord a forwarding address um telling them where they want the security deposit sent you know it's I I usually tell people to do it by email and regular mail but I've sort of stop telling people to do it by regular mail because no one seems to know how to mail a letter anymore so I figure email must be sufficient at this at this point um if the landlord once the landlord gets the forwarding address and it doesn't matter if the landlord has has the tenants address it's in the lease it doesn't matter they've got to tell them where the security deposit should be sent the second step is that 30 days after the end of the the teny or after the tenant vacates the landlord's supposed to send the tenants um an itemized list of any damages to the security deposit including the estimated cost of repairing it so it should be fairly detailed and then return the balance that's due on the security deposit if if there are damages to the security deposit that a tenant disputes then the tenant has seven days to respond to the landlord's letter in writing and again that one I usually say regular mail and email but in writing um saying why they're disputing the security deposit charges so often it's because you know there's been a miscalculation on some money owed because the damages that the landlord is claiming um predated their tency because you know it's normal wear and tear because the cost being charged is excessive so things things like that um and the landlord can only charge as I said for damage they can't charge to clean the apartment or the rental unit with the exception of that cleaning fee that they often take um so if if all those steps are taken and there and the tenants and the landlord can't resolve the security deposit dispute then the landlord is obligated within 45 if there's still dispute about the security deposit dispersement then the landlord's obligated to file in court within 45 days from the end of the the lease to basically ask the Court's permission to continue to hold the deposit I mean the money is still the tenants so the the landlord needs the approval of the court to retain the money that they believe is is is owed to them if a landlord fails to file in small in small claims court it's usually small claims court within 45 days and there's still a dispute over the over the the deposit and all these other steps have been taken like the for day the you know forwarding address notice was timely given unless there was no notice that they had to give a forwarding address in the lease if the landlord if the tenant responded within seven days to the um charges if um yeah no that's it um if if they get to that point and the landlord hasn't um and the landlord hasn't Sue then and the tenant has to sue in small claims court to get the money back then they might the tenant might be entitled to double the amount of the security deposit that the landlords held so it's a pretty um there's a little bit of a a a carrot there I guess for for landlords to make sure that they don't forget to do that um so I mean what I what I tell students that I work with is you know at the start of their lease they're given in terms of how to best protect their security deposit at the start of the lease the landlord um gives to the tenant an inventory checklist and the Tenant is you know the tenant needs to fill that out it's really like not a lot of room to fill out detail but I tell the tenant to just attach a separate page because the more detail you can give on the inventory checklist saying you know the condition of the property when you move in that's what the landlord's going to look at at the end of your lease to see you know what the conditions were when you moved in so I you know suggest that tenants take photos of the you know take photos of the unit take video of the unit fill out that form as detailed as possible keep a copy for their records and give a copy of the landlord within seven days and then at the end of the lease when the T tenants getting ready to leave you know same thing they're same thing in that they're going to want to take pictures um videos whatever they can to show the condition that they're leaving the apartment or the rental unit in um make sure they take out the garbage leave the unit Brom clean and um either get a receipt for their keys or take a picture if they're leaving keys because for whatever reason that seems to be a big issue where where people are charged one time I had a group of tenants who they they made a PowerPoint after they got their security deposit back and money was taken out they had pictures from when they moved in and pictures from when they moved out and they were able to show a comparison for each item that the landlord charg them and that was it was perfect they needed to have that documentation to get their money back Dan Dan I'm sorry yeah actually your last part and answered my questions because sometimes the landlord could be like false give you the false in expectations make it look so good everything's so perfect and when you really move in you will feel disappointed and your L card just some tenants yes yeah yeah yeah thank you yeah so that's kind of the quick overview a little bit confusing in terms of the the timelines but otherwise it's it's pretty straightforward I mean even even if a tenant has to sue for double damage the landlord's not doesn't really lose their right to sue the tenant for any damage that they may have done they just um they they just can't collect it under this I mean they can't retain it under the security deposit Act Zachariah um so my first question is about a situation that I heard about recently which was where there there was um a tenant had an automatically renewing lease for one year and un if the tenant failed to notify the landlord that they did not want to renew they would have to pay a fee that was equal I think to one month's rent and then then they could get out of the next next year's lease that they had automatically renewed and that was being taken out of the security deposit so but it was very clearly a fee so can you take a fee like that out of a security deposit well yes and NOC I I have a problem with those with those Provisions they're like notice to vacate provisions and I don't know how it's going to be impacted by the right to renew but essentially the lease says you know you have to give us notice 30 days be like you have a lease that ends on January 1st but you're also required to give us 30 days notice prior to the end of the lease that you're actually leaving on the end of your lease and if you don't right and then if you don't you're going to become a month-to-month tenant so they're so the landlord would argue this is now rent that you owe us even though they might call it like an insufficient notice fee or something like that um I yeah I find th I find those Provisions pretty frustrating be like because like I said I mean you have a date to end your lease I don't understand why you should have to also like confirm it and and some I I had a student who was who the landlord tried to charge it was like up to $110,000 for this uh insufficient notice fee it was like three months rent plus double your rent because you've now you know you've now not given us sufficient notice even even if they leave at the end of the lease so it's kind of a yes and no I don't like those charges I think a landlord will argue that that it's rent and therefore they can uh they can take it from the security deposit and then ultimately it's going to be up to a court but I but I haven't had we've been able to work a lot of those out I haven't had a court make a decision on that Jordan interesting um yeah two things I just kind of you know was reading through this to refresh myself too um one thing as you were talking and I think it's important as all of us are doing like advocacy in the Community is also when we're dealing with our student populations to remind them about having sub tenants do this right like so many of our students are going to actually have a subtenant that moves in prior to them taking possession themselves so say your lease starts in May or July and you have a subtenant for two or four months um making sure that your subtenant is documenting the condition at move in is something that can be really tricky when these students are out of town so for those of us that are working in the student spaces I just want to reiterate the importance of making sure that we're telling students to have their sub tenants do that and get them the record so that they have an accurate record both in terms of the subtenant moving out but to protect themselves Jordan my go Jordan is to prevent students from turning over the keys to their house before they collect any money or have a lease sign so little more basic right there but then we can get to the the other stuff yeah yeah um one other thing that I thought I looked now tell me if I'm wrong because maybe I just didn't notice it because I was just doing it quick before the meeting after we got this email but the whole section about the the um ability to get out of your lease due to Danger domestic violence those kind of things I didn't see that in rights and duties is it not in there am I missing it it seems like that would be a really piece to have in there when we're doing I don't know if we're keeping a running log of um what changes we want to make when we do get the power to make them but those were the two things that came up to me um as I was reviewing this and listening to Gail yeah I don't know if it's in there or not I'd have to check rosanita sorry oh that's okay I was I was learning um if say you know you're you're renting it's a house and then the owners sell the house and the new owner is going to then live in it how does the security deposit work with something the return of a security deposit work with something like that the same with say like your apartment complex gets um is about to get remodeled and you're going to be you're not going to be able to live you know it's going to take like months and months so your lease is going to be effectively terminated right in a situation like that is that something that's typically written into a lease if if there's going to be extenuating circumstances like that for like the automatic return of a security deposit because if they're knocking the building down anyway then well for the sale of the property usually the new owner takes the property subject to the lease agreement so you know the the the seller and the owner would have to work out how they're you know who's giving back the security deposit but the tendency would continue until the end of the lease and so the security deposit at that point would be given back in its usual manner it just depends on the parties to work out who has the money who's holding the security deposit um you know it kind of sort of same thing with the the landlord decides to remodel because the landlord can't just kick you out of their out of the rental property during your lease so if a landlord decides hey I want to remodel I'll make an agreement to let you out of the lease early then that's certainly something a tenant could ask for is like hey if you're going to terminate my lease early I want my security deposit back you know right away and usually they would if they're eager to to to get in there and and make changes they would I mean at least in the cases I've seen they they usually would agree to return the security deposit without any charged does that make sense it does it does I was just thinking about the um is it there's a complex over is it around Plymouth that wants to where the owner wants to Red re I don't know redevelop the complex is the right term where it's they're going they want to build UPG yeah they want to build a number of new units and so it means that they're going to tear down um you know tear down and rebuild and so yeah I was just wondering H how that would work for the tenants who would have to leave at that time when it came to their security deposits yeah yeah I mean I'm not familiar with that but us if there's a leas in effect they're going to have have to work something out with the tenant to to get them to leave before the end of their lease unless anybody has any other thoughts on that um Julia um there's this is a like Financial question on holding the money so they have to tell the tenant what bank gets in are there any other kind of roles and I'm specifically thinking about the early leasing that you know when those security deposit law was first made the thought was you're only holding a security deposit on one tenant but with landlords now asking you to sign a lease so many months in advance there's actually good chunk of the year they're holding two security deposits on the same unit but not from the same person though you mean for the same person but it is like you know Unit A there's for the tenant and there's for the new tenant they're holding and instead of it just being an overlaps of maybe 15 days it's now an overlaps of months right um yeah I don't know I mean I don't I'm not aware of anything that prohibits them from having another security deposit like sort of paid in advance but but I don't know I haven't I haven't come across that you know from other from students but I'd have to look a little more closely to see if there's anything that prohibits it I mean I will say that that the amount of time that we have had two deposits on hand has decreased significantly with the early leasing ordinance right like when people were signing we didn't do it but you could sign you know when you had the old ordinance and you could essentially sign in like July for a May lease essentially that landlord was having this security deposit for the may people that moved in and then in July when they signed a new lease for that whole time now in theory if they're following the early leasing ordinance that time is 5 months or less in theory um though we know everybody's not following it so just to kind of as a data point not arguing with you as to whether or not that is um should be but just kind of as how that has changed with the legislation that was part of the rationale was you know asking tenants to have this money out for 10 months in advance for a student who's economically challenged is significant and so that amount of time has reduced just as the data point yeah part of it you know I mentioned because I never understand why a landlord wants to get that lease so early and I'm wondering if some of it is because they're making money off holding the security deposits from two people at the same time um and if you're doing that for 600 people it can start to add up um and if maybe that is one way to disincentivize landlords from wanting to have leases signed so early is maybe to pass another ordinance that has some restrictions on how long you can hold two deposits for the same unit right I mean there's always going to be an overlap though sure I mean yeah maybe it gets shorter yeah that's interesting I hadn't really thought about that Zechariah does a landlord have to disclose the which financial institution the deposit is yes okay they put it in the it's it's often in the lease itself but some I see forget and do they need to provide evidence that the money is still there during the the tency no because I was looking up and I saw that there's some there is some way uh to for the landlord to take it out and use it but only if they they receive uh what to deposit with the Secretary of State a cash Bond or something like that but and I I'm just wondering if okay yeah I doubt that's that's frequently used um but if there's no way to ensure the money's there then I wonder um how frequent you know what's the incentive for the landlord to keep it there if they could just invest it I don't know other than it being a violation of the law I don't know yeah I mean it's not their money so but that's all I got any other questions I will say Julia I mean I I think you're right if you're talking people who have thousands of units maybe they're making some interest but I mean we're talking pennies like we we so for somebody like us that's kind of mid-range I mean that that has nothing to do with our um timeline to sign in or anything just just for our experience but maybe for McKinley maybe they are making but I can't imagine that it's tremendous because interest rates just aren't high on on the kind of business accounts that we're using I I don't think but could be right it's one of those things I was just trying to grab at because I don't really understand the advantage of signing a lease eight months in advance or now five months in advance yeah I mean for for us just a brief I won't take over the top I mean for us we're talking when we're especially when we're talking student populations like there's not a lot of other option if and then this was gone through a lot with our when talked about the early leasing ordinance in in general these students leave and so to not you know to wait until like July or August so many of our students are international so many of our students live in different parts of the country so from that perspective when we're talking about student housing which is a large majority of the percentage here um the timeline for early is is partially out of that timing that summer is like a very hard time to try to leas during when people are in group units of eight and there are three out of the country and you know so that just to give the perspective on like why why do you sign at the day that you can essentially that's a lot of our um our motivation as a landlord too is because the students are here and they can do it so the only question I have with that is that this is a new new as in 30 years landlord invention that September 1 has to be the day of the lease um you know in the 80s and early 90s May 15th was the common date for students and October 15 was the common date for non- students um so how everybody is suddenly September 1 I I don't know but that it could change yeah we're we're not our so our group units are all on May um because we find that the group units want that early move in and then our our smaller units which end up being young professional regular folks in the community those are generally on fall so and it falls all over I mean I would say you're right that the majority of people are on fall but there definitely still are people that are July and may um in the in the rotations go ahead John even though this Q&A is not for me I do have a question as well Gail if you if I may and that is with respect to the uh security deposit of one and a half months rent what percent are they all at that are any under that what factors go into how much the security deposit is from a market Sy well the landlords could answer that better than I could but what do you see though so I see in a lot of the high rises they take a very small or no like $100 $500 some of them zero and then they don't deal with the security deposit ordinance statute at all they just send it to collections if a student doesn't pay um but the regular landlords I suspect Jordan you guys take a month and a half and most most to the other do yeah in general what I see for for non-h highrises I agree with your experience I would say highrises from what I see talking with but again this is kind of biased toward student population is 400 for the high rises um but again you know I mean I saw an ad the other day that um they were advertising at gosh The Foundry somewhere uh two bedrooms for four people and they're paying 5,300 a month for a two-bedroom so when you talk about like the landlord Shar bedom Shar bedroom so four people two-bedroom 5300 was the rental rate so that landlord's getting so much money that often times they're like willing to let some things slide so that can be why you why you see the difference right like why the corporate highrises are charging 400 and under because they're getting so much rent that they're willing to accept a couple scratched up wall like they have a higher threshold and they have corporate lawyers to take you to court afterwards whereas for smaller landlords if a unit truly is trashed we might easily go through it's rare that we do it we don't charge a ton but the you know that you may go through especially if you have like a one-bedroom apartment and you have to replace the whole carpet because they you know whatever the tenant Behavior has resulted in that but again rare so I think that's why you see the big divide between the corporate heisers but go ahead Bob see if you can share your kind of perspective um yeah we charge a a one month rent but there's a new building that's going up uh right right next to us uh 911 South Main and it looks like security deposit monthly rent will be in the 8,000 per month and security deposits are over 10 10,000 so moving into one of those apartments is going to be a pretty hefty uh Financial uh chunk for six it's six six bedroom was was what I was looking at but we charge one month simply just for logistical ease I mean you know as as you said Jordan you're not g to you don't we don't really find our our tenants are are too hard on on what on the properties yeah I mean for for what I see it varies I I see I see some patterns in in with landlords that I often deal with in the um student population who I almost always know they're going to charge the tenant because the carpet is damag they're going to charge the tenant for not returning Keys they're going to I mean there's just certain patterns p s that that they have which is a little you know what yeah anyway so so I see that happen a lot and and then actually you know when they go when when there's a smaller deposit and then the landlords go straight to collections it's much harder for the students I mean they're just stuck in that in that process of you know I mean not for $100 deposit no one's going to really like try to get it back but I mean they might but um but it just becomes a lot harder and a lot more impactful for students when it's you know it's in that process so anyway and more potential to like have long-term impact on someone's credit report like we as smaller landlords aren't and I know there's an argument for like it would be nice if all landlords were reporting to credit agencies for building credit purposes that's a separate discussion but um you know we're if you're talking that situation where tenants are getting in with collections because they're not charging security deposits that's a longer term impact on often just young blasing adults too in in the population oh totally totally so anyway back to you Zachariah thank you very much uh any other questions for Gail about security deposits okay thank you so much Gail thank you for the good questions um Everybody uh we can move on now to see 7-b um it's our last piece of business here a discussion of updates regarding chapter 105 so so I will hand this over to Kristen and to John all right you should have uh in front of you this document right here if I share my screen so um based on dissatisfaction complaints uh issues with respect to the early leasing ordinance and right to renew ordinance the early leasing ELO is 8 uh colon 530 and the right to renew is um your input input from Council Members emails from uh disgruntled tenants tenants who have gotten corresponden from their landlords pressures things like that um City attorney staff kind of went through our ordinance line by line and kind of came up with some things that we think might close the gaps um these are some proposed edits uh it's not going to go to City Council I'll leave that up to a council member Rina until the runers commission has had the opportunity to digest this share their concerns their comments to uh council members Rina and Harrison uh who will let them uh and they'll get those with us so so uh this is not an action item for you tonight but this is just what we're proposing um like for instance when you look at the 1C a landlord shall not require a tenant to accept a successive lease period at any time before 150 days before the end of the current lease period um so we we've made some edits that we think will strengthen it we'll make enforcement uh easier clearer and uh we're interested in the input that the renters commission has uh share that with your council members who will share it with us um I think you you've got a month to look at these think them over if you have any questions off the top of your head I know you haven't had a lot of time with these and I appreciate that but if you have specific questions uh feel free to ask them remember sounds good the problem one of the main problems is is that Michigan is prohibited from regulating the price of rent or rent control so so so we're not going to be able to to touch that we're also limited uh a little bit as to what we can do by way of communications can a landlord reach out to a tenant uh encourage them to renew while falling short of including the terms the parties uh the amount uh all in the deadline but uh I will say we're taking a look at the complaints that we've gotten we revised the form I think you had that at last your last meeting is that correct and some people have sent us in that form and you know of course we have to apply the the unedited un un uh unamended version of the ordinance to the the complaints that we're getting but we're taking a look at those that we're getting and they have been helpful with respect to providing copies of the lease providing copies of the correspondents and there are actually some that have deadlines set in that correspondant I see a lot of hands so I'll be quiet and yield to uh you know Gail Jordan Travis or whomever else you want to call on Z that sounds like a great order oh I'm not even muted yet okay um so so my two questions John which you probably know um one I guess the the bigger question is you know we had talked about dealing trying to find a way to deal with what what I believe you call the early bird specials where the landlords are writing to tenants and saying you know you don't have to make a decision now but hey if you do decide now you'll get you know we'll only charge you I don't know $50 more in your rent or whatever it is and it's going to be much much much much much higher if you wait until um the 150 days before the end of your lease so I thought we were trying to tackle that but I'm not I don't believe that we have is one question and then the second question which you which you also know is you know the the part um it's 85303 not three four B where it says the current lease period is less than eight months in in entirety so I told I I've shared with John that I had a situation where a landlord you know a tenant said I want a group of tenants said I want to rent for a year and the landlord said okay but hey you're going to have to do two six-month consecutive leases like you know one ends at 1159 and the next one starts at midnight and I feel like that that could be cleared up a little bit like if there were two leases that were running like exactly simultaneously that are more than eight months that that that should be covered by the right to renew ordinance so those are my two my two big uh issues and questions I guess for what we do about that thank you running it down that would be call somebody oh okay I wasn't sure if you were running the show running it down okay all right go ahead Jordan and then dra it okay I had gailes too but I also have a list so um I guess for us like and John you partially answered the question how how what are our frequent complaints right so the early bird special is one I will say that I've heard of the two consecutive six-month leases a couple of times so that was on my radar but like are there other this is the repeated pattern this is what we need to address and have we fully covered that and I mean from us as the renters commission I think that's a question to ourselves have we but we also haven't been seeing these complaints we don't know how many there were and so I don't feel like the renters commission is as informed as we could be so maybe Kristen could help us by getting us the forms that have been turned in um anonymize the so that we could have a better frame of reference um so that's my kind of first Global thing the second thing is and John maybe I'm reading this wrong it sounds like when I'm giving the offer as a landlord I'm also supposed to give the completed lease or like what are you envisioning there because to to be giving that's just not something we can do we can't type up a lease for every person we're offering a renewal for so I'm trying to figure out like what maybe it would help to define the bare minimum like do you want the least price what are you thinking there that that's that's what it says and we're proposing that but we're not proposing it necessarily via usmail or hand delivery we're proposing it by that or electron electronic communications so I assume that the next year's lease is going to be patterned on the current lease and it's just typing in the new terms the new dates is that correct or am I wrong on that no not really I mean it takes us about 45 minutes to make a lease on Adobe each time so to cuz Adobe is because it's a contractual you may know how it works you may not but because it's a contractual thing there's not a lot of changes it allows because it wants you to sign something and have it be Stone clad Ironclad and not have changes to it so for us um I mean just to give our perspective and obviously there's a lot of perspectives to to say here's your offer for Renewal I mean right now our letter says here's your offer for Renewal here's what your new rent price would be if your group stays the same um essentially just that here's where we need to know by um so to me it seems more reasonable to put like what what information do we want the tenants to have access to versus seeing an entire renewal lease with that because that's going to have an A then there's a document out there that some people could sign but others couldn't it's like so our process right now is here's your email W with renewal that we have sent out just before 180 days cuz we've just waited um we send that out and it says here's your terms um here you know they say yes and then we say okay great we'll send you the lease within the next couple of days and you'll need to complete it by X um the 10 business days so we to uh to me I sending out an actual filled in lease is not a viable option here so I'd like to see if we can maybe consider you know if we want to say the dates of the lease the price of the lease um any major changes to the current lease because that's the other thing they already have a lease from us they already know what our lease looks like so I'm open to tenant tenant things that you say you really just would need the lease with that offer but um you can push back on me feel free but for us this just doesn't and I'll maybe Bob has some um input on that too but that's just not a feasible ask for us personally and I I appreciate the feedback um part of that was because of the leas addendums or we've had some complaint complaints where they say here's what the terms are and then lo and behold it doesn't include parking for this year so so so so there's I'm not saying bait and switch that's not the right word but no I get what you're saying what what parties think they had an agreement to really isn't the same when the actual lease comes in so you and and there's the you know there's the gravitas of an actual lease like this is it these are what the terms are going to be rather than hey let's reup for the next year same thing we'll send you the lease later so so I wonder if we could specify that though like lease price lease dates and then any major changes or something like is there a way that we could dictate what should be in that email that would help prevent these situations or do tenants think like that's just not what do you guys think I guess yeah we have ter remember right now it currently says terms conditions price parties address those are kind of what we require now on the United unended version but and you don't have you don't you don't have to mail it you don't have to print it you just got to prepare the thing and hit the send button but you know I'll I'll defer to this body but I appreciate your input yeah okay that's fair I mean we're ours basically says your lease will be exactly the same minus the changes of these dates this this amount um but I don't know I'll be curious to hear maybe Bob has another input for how his process but for us that that would be very very difficult and add a serious amount of work and go ahead Bob so yeah I it's it's it's not quite the same thing I think anymore as as just sending an email we use an electronic um you know document signing thing so and you have to it's not the same thing as you know hit and send it's it it does take some time I I you know I wouldn't say our lease takes 45 minutes but it's it's in that vinity so it's it's it's not um I would say it is not trivial because you know most of our stuff is done all electronically and the great thing about that is it's you know it's legally binding everybody gets a copy it works out real well but there is a cost and it does take some time to prepare is it portal um yeah it's a service it it's it you you uh I go into a portal and you know prepare the lease and then I I set a list of you know here's who it's sent to and it then it emails and then you know but it's it's uh you know there's a certificate involved so that the signing is uh you know there's non-repudiation uh involved there you know and things like that so it's it's a little more complicated than an email so what would you and Jordan report that we do uh by way of having landlords um letting tenants know what it is that they're going to be offered for next year and agreeing to good question I mean I think I think the the big thing is we have some of the terms and condition I think naming like any major changes in the from the current lease agreement um the other thing to me is that that the idea of sending a lease then to the tenants also seems like more pressure on them like this isn't just a renewal offer if I'm sending a renewal offer with a lease um I'm curious as to how renters feel about like that that when we're talking pressure and part of this problem is the pressure to me that seems to add another layer of pressure um as someone who has rented fairly recently I don't I don't know so um I have other bullet points do we want to kind of talk about this issue a little bit more or should I just go through my list and no no me this is just an airing of the version you'll have a month that mull it over and I see other hands raised yeah okay then I'll I'll yield and maybe just put all of my stuff in an email maybe that's the best way to use our time tonight go ahead Julia um just on kind of like the doc you sign or whatever service you're using like I get that extra burden and I don't know if there's a way to do it in word first and then drop it in but there's got to be some Assurance of what the tenants agreeing to because there are things all the time oh well we didn't tell you that you have to pay for the washing machines now because we don't think that's a big deal but when you've got a household and you're running you know the washing machines for your kids it can sometimes start to really add up the cost or oh we took the washing machines out and we didn't bother to put it in the new you know tell you about it before you agreed to a new lease and then having to Trek the kids clothes across town also you know so there are things like I feel like the tenant has to know for sure what they're getting before they can say yes or no and the only I don't know how to do that besides in writing but isn't I mean isn't the purpose of signing the lease that like so agreeing to sign the lease is not legal binding toward the tenant if I say yes I'd like to renew that's not legally binding me to renew the lease is so while I agree that I think morally and ethically we should be pointing out the changes especially I mean if there is a major change um I I guess how do you see that as different like you would get the lease and you would you're not legally Bound by saying I'd like to renew but you'd get the lease to sign and you'd be able to see that parking wasn't included and say hey can I negotiate this or no I'm not going to Ren like you still have Choice beyond that right or does that feel different's that but when by the time that the lease is due to be signed H so that's a month period in the law well no I mean usually like 10 business days between the time that we're sending out the lease but I guess that's what I'm trying to help figure out is so I think oh I'm going to renew it's all the same they told me it's $50 increase everything else is the same and then I've got 10 days before my lease is up and I realize oh no it's a totally different lease oh no I'm I'm saying so you'd have the the 10 days like I think it's 10 business days between when the the new lease is sent to you and then when you're signing so maybe maybe our process is very different from others but essentially we're sending that email just before 180 days people either let us know right at the 180 days or they say we are going to take until day 151 to let you know which we're totally fine with and sometimes even beyond that and they let us know we get them the lease right away so this isn't like you getting the lease that you're signing in that time frame so it's it's months before I mean you're accepting that lease at the time that you're agreeing to move in you're you're you're getting that lease within 10 days in theory now we know that are other situations where like a landlord's not signing the other half and that's a whole different um bullet point to kind of talk about but you getting your acceptance of that lease is you're signing the lease and so you're seeing the terms and hopefully reviewing them so that's the part that I'm trying to parse out is how that how that feels that different to you um between getting getting the offer saying yes getting the actual lease and then having a choice still to sign it does that make sense I hear what you're saying but I'm I'm not sure if I'm looking at the law right then because if we're not requiring the law the lease to be presented in that Clause is there somewhere that gives a day the lease has to be presented Julia under under the current ordinance where where they're providing terms but not the the completed lease itself that the landlord is required to present the written lease renewal to the tenants for Signature within 30 days of their acceptance so as if if they were to provide that under current ordinance um and the Tenant were to say yes this sounds good to me within 30 days the landlord is required to provide that lease and then 10 days after that the tenants got to get it back okay I mean I I think what would be a bigger thing to me when we're talking about the issues and maybe this will help you feel a little bit better about that Julia is I'd rather see like in bullet point 2B agreement signed by the tenant and landlord right like we've had all of these situations where the landlord's not counter signing a lease like I'd rather see us address the the big holes that we've seen which are um you know those kind of things where the the tenant has signed a lease they think they have a lease and then the landlord is saying oh but no I never signed it and you never got the completed lease back like some of the things to me seem like they would be a better focus for our protection of the tenants in that in that sense so maybe Julie that because that's the other scenario that we've seen is where a tenant does agree they do sign it and then the landlord hasn't actually counter signed so the lease is legally binding only on one side of the agreement um doesn't speak exactly to this but as kind of part of that whole timeline um process thinking but what if the landlord just sits on it if that were to be the ordinance you say by the tenant and landlord then the landlord gets it by the tenant here she just kind of sits on it waits see if they really want to release renew can we make it can we make it so that a renewal lease has to be signed by a landlord in order to be handed to a tenant so that the choices in the tenants power I mean that's what I'd really like to see happen I'd really like it that the renewal lease must be completed with the terms and the landlord signature before it goes to the tenant personally but I'm I'm open to other thoughts on that but to me that seems like it would kind of cover that bullet point well my understanding is under contract law if the if the landlord offers a lease to the tenant and the Tenant accepts it by signing it that that's a binding contract at that point I mean I've always I've always argued that I mean the landlord doesn't the I mean because it's out of the tenants control if the landlord Now counter signs it but it's been an offer and acceptance so what happened with the ones that we know that did that I mean there were tons of them last year what happened because I heard a lot of those fell apart the tenants were told oh no you didn't actually have a house we never counter signed it and a particular I can't remember what complex but there was a North Campus complex that was doing it yeah so what what happened when those came to you did they did they find them a I mean that to me like some of those things are like the bigger ticket items then yeah yeah no I mean I didn't get a lot of those honestly I mean but um yeah I mean I'd have to think about it a little bit more in terms of like what we were seeing and what um and how that all played out yeah I mean because I know that like in there's some instances where landlords are saying well here's your lease go ahead and sign but it's not binding until we counter sign which then kind of works in the favor of the tenant if they want to get out of it and the landlord but I mean generally without all of this I would say that once it's offered and accept it it's binding so I don't know I have to think about that they weren't they weren't allowing people out of it even this year I had two two parents I was um referring to you that they they couldn't get out of it even though it was signed so to give some people some background that that was a case where they were pressuring tenants to renew the tenants were saying in September yes I'll renew they were signing their half and the landlord said well because of the early leasing ordinance we can't sign this until March um so they were actually throwing the early leasing ordinance back in the students faces and the students who then changed their mind these two that I know of had to end up paying the $800 fee or whatever it was to transfer the lease and find a new tenant so can you get back to me separately about that some point so those are I mean those that is a bigger ticket item that I'd see i' I'd rather have us like focus on can we just say that a landlord cannot give a renewal offer until 200 days before the lease end unless specifically requested by the tenant like can we not address some of this early communication period like outside of of the the early bird if they're if the ordinance said you can't even send a renewal offer until I mean I'd love it to be 180 days but to give give people to 210 days or something like can we just stop the early bird communication and then we don't have to deal with the pricing scheme like that's a party wonder about John so maybe you can help me understand that you mean can we tell what can we tell landlords they can't communicate to their tenants about certain subjects and not get sued can well I mean maybe that's the answer I'm saying we've specified dates and we've made timelines and we have made that law so why can't we say no renewal offers can be communicated until 210 days or 180 days so that they have a 60-day acceptance period unless it is requested by the tenant because I also want to empower a tenant that says no offers so here's how I get around that I say this is not an offer but I value our relationship as your tenant um we would love to have you stay with us and the sooner you renew the sooner you commit to us the the the the lower the price we can commit for you I mean that's what I'm saying can we make can we make that predatory communication possible and we got to be careful regulating speech be commerci speech between landlord in tenants okay and I'll leave it at that I mean there's a memo about that but so you know and you know some tenants might want the communication that they do want to be able to commit sooner to a lower price if they know they're going to renew it's the pressure tactics it's the like you gota you gotta you gotta lock in before next week or next month or the price is going up a lot so it's we've got I mean some extent it's educating tenants that they don't have to lock in um the the problem is we can't regulate the price of rent because of rent control so we can't we can't tell a landlord that they can charge more that they can't charge more in the future because of that so I get you that's why I'm saying if we could focus on stopping the the communication and specifying a timeline by which they could communicate maybe we could impact that but I I hear your point maybe that's not possible okay I'll yield to I see other hands up go ahead Jamie yeah I would just Echo what Jordan was saying I think even if it's not written in a predatory way the timing um as a [Music] student renewal that I received at the time that I received it this year like I was in the middle of midterms and I was pulling my hair out and that just also felt very intentional like you know your tenants are students and you know that this is a very stressful time of the semester um and I just I don't know I think I mean I hear what we're saying that you know you can't regulate the communications but I just that part also felt very um kind of calculated at the specific time that the lease renewals were sent G so I guess John because you you also said that there was one case where you were where the city was considering writing a ticket for the behavior how is that couple so that's good but so what's I mean I assume it's good so what's the behavior in in that case that's in those two cases that stand out that make it different than the early bird specials which you're saying can't be regulated like what's happening deadlines deadlines to get back with us to lock in at a certain price and then Communications via email that talk about hey h do I have more time no the deadline is this or that so it it you know it's it's um looking at the current ordinance I got both in front of me um the notice must specify the date by which the tenant must notify the landlord of the tenant's acceptance of the successive lease and if it says act now this this week you must act by the end of the month you must act within 30 days well that's probably sooner than 150 days before the end of the current lease period right right but they all but they all say that I mean all the early some of them have dates but then there's correspondence back and forth between tenants and landlords that talk about the deadlines and extended times and things like that so so it's it it's it's an early bird special with a deadline that talks about the parties the the the the terms things like that I don't want to get into too much about potential PES I'm just trying to understand the distinction because I mean by definition you know I think early bird special ends at a certain time right like no well well it depends I I you know I appreciate it like bir special like a Black Friday sale or a cyber monday sale kind of thing those are those are Fridays and Mondays but some of them are more than that you know really some of them are more or broader than that or or less specific than that okay okay so I mean I guess and I I I think one of my recommendations would be that that we as whoever wants to that we meet sort of between now and one month from now because we obviously have a lot of questions that we need to address no no and you you guys bring up great points which is why we vet this we bring it up in front of you you've got great perspectives both from landlord and tenant so I would ask you to um you know share your thoughts with council members Rina Harrison um I think they should directly to you all our thoughts are going to go directly to you at least see see them so it looks like I'm following my orders well go ahead Travis if you have another question please go before me um so I just wanted to reiterate something that John said at the beginning also which is a number of the complaints that we've received have not come in as formal complaints either there are emails that have been forwarded or text messages or things that have been kind of passed along but the form itself hasn't been completed and so one of the things that all of us can do and I know council members have received this message as well if we get an email is direct people to the form ask them to complete it even if they can't complete every single piece of information complete as much as they can and submit it because that will actually officially kick off that process if an email is just forwarded along or a text message is forwarded along it's not a formal complaint that the the attorneys or our city can act upon um so it's really important that people fill out the form um we've also had some conversation about getting the form um right now it's you know that editable PDF we've talked about if we can even make this more accessible by just having it as kind of a web form that exists on the website um making it as easy as possible POS for people to find and land on but please if you hear of complaints encourage people to fill out the form even if they're intimidated by the fact that they may not have all of the information um and yes if you have questions or concerns a lot of you are raising points that council member Harrison and I have already brought up so that's why John is probably kind of chuckling along a little because there are things we like theot seat we have been um pestering about as well um you know John and I have had a number of conversations about my non-lawyer interpretation of what the law should be um but um if you do have feedback yeah please do include us because what John is also alluding to is that the attorneys work for Council and so um council member Harrison and I are happy to express all of those questions and concerns along is there a timeline for responses because what I'm finding is that you know at least the students that that have filed complaints are getting a little antsy and they need to make decisions and so a lot of their decisions depends on where things are at with their complaint by responses do you mean rers commissioner responses about the proposed changes or responses with respect to early leasing ordinance complaints on the new form uh with the copies of the release copies of the communications uh that type of thing G yes I mean to the second I mean once a student or attendant files a a official Complaint is there a specific timeline or a goal for when they'll get I'm hopeful to turn them over within a within a week uh you know at least we're trying to get these out before the end of the year our decision okay okay thank you okay well this convers will be ongoing rosanita you can go ahead oh I just wanted to um I think it's for Kristen because I I had mentioned it before the meeting was just to make sure that the forms are accessible um um because that was that was one complaint from I think it may have had to do with screen readers I'm not [Music] sure definitely something we can look at um in working on the form happy to work with Trac on I think my um like my power editing the form is a little bit limited since it's rental housing's form but I don't see why they wouldn't be um agree okay make it more accessible thanks oh dear um I'm having some internet problems Julia do you mind taking us taking or either Julia or Christen taking over Julia Vice chair uh where were we that was the update so now we're in reports report from city council um I I think this was a large piece of our report um is that this is something we've been working on quite a bit um there's also a group of us working with attorneys on um an ordinance to address junk fees um I hope that we'll have something um early in the next year that we can ask folks for additional feedback similar to this process as well okay um so then I think we're moving on to report from hhsb and I believe we got a message from Jeffrey that there was not a meeting so there's no report there which then takes us down to report from staff I don't have um a large report um but I can report that updated rights and duties booklets have been ordered um we tomorrow is a possible delivery date um but end of next week we're expecting them um for a really large order we received from McKinley we had to order some more and it includes um the Complaint Form the ELO and right to renew guide in it um and the most recent El and Rich for new ordnances I also received an email from sustainability about a grant opportunity for green I want to say green rental housing it was um something in that ballpark I haven't had a chance to review it yet but I will send it out to the group I think they were kind of looking for Community Partners and working on it are you aware of it Zachariah is that the washing County OED I don't let me pull it up weatherization program okay Greening rental housing with the PA's Community change grants and so um I will send this out and see what the group's interest is my I haven't responded yet um but my initial thought is that you guys would be interested in kind of whatever level was available so that's the only other report uh zachari I think that takes us down to report from Commissioners yes if you'd like I can take back overall there's not much to lead us through on sorry about the internet problems yeah do any Commissioners would uh want to share a report with the commission I'd like to share a report uh so there's a few things um first of all I know I had spoken previously about contacting other institutions in the area to discuss uh eviction evictions generally and eviction diversion uh and maybe right to counsel um so talking about the problem of evictions and then talking about potential Solutions and I was connected with uh a few different uh people including some people at the the county level uh there's Wasing housing Alliance as well and it looks like there already is a group that exists where they have representatives from lots of organizations and they're talking about um evictions and homelessness and I attended only one of their meetings but that there I think it's monthly it looks like so if anyone else is interested in attending uh you're more than welcome to I can I just send me an email and I'd be happy to invite you um I can check the name of that it's called Uh the coordinated entry evaluation and oversight committee um so anyway hopefully uh I'll learn some things about um the state of evictions and what um response responses there are currently in the area I know that some of these things go through the district courts rather than you know City by city or like that um beyond that there we have spoken previously about a situation with um a company called realpage.com uh and potential antitrust um action so what was H what is happening is there's um third party Corporation Called real page which is uh offering services to landlords and one of the services is that they apparently tell landlords how to price their apartments and how to increase those prices from one year to the next the issue is if lots of landlords are relying on this third party service the third party service can tell them all to increase their rent at the same time by similar amounts uh so that's kind of virtual price fixing or I suppose that the argument rather uh and and um it looks like this is this is on the radar of the Washington the Washington County prosecutor uh and I am planning on reaching out to the Attorney General's office at their at the um recommendation of um the County prosecutor because the Attorney General can bring a suit against um these companies I think that's it for me any other Commissioners with the report oh one other thing um is that uh a local property manager invited uh me and uh Julia to have a meeting to to discuss the early leasing ordinance situation and so um Julie and I are planning on going in January to meet with this property manager um and just listen to their concerns okay no other reports last call okay we can move on to uh item nine our second uh general public comment you speak during public comment um please call 877 853 5247 or 888 788 0099 and enter meeting ID 935 941 um then you can press star N9 to raise your hand be called on to speak if you uh would like to join through the zoom link that is a2gov.org renters commission meeting and you can use the raise hand feature um that be call on so give it just a there are no attendees thank you Kristen okay we can move on to item 10 10- a is a we have a one communication um me open it up here it's regarding you know I was a little confused by this email actually I I know I remember the conversation at greenfair um me open it up go ahead ga oh sorry I would this is the one about breaking the lease due to the dis due to disability is that what you're looking at yeah you know what I may have misre these are these several emails I think I only saw Sor it's just one document don't worries I typically that's okay so different senders here okay gotcha so so I would suggest for the one where they think they might have a right to get out of their lease because of the disability which um I I would suggest that they reach out to the fair house fair housing center might be a good resource for this one okay Kristen are you able to refer to them refer them to the fair housing center yes thank you [Music] um unfortunately I actually haven't read the rest of them I got confused so do anyone um anyone who has read these do you want to give us like a little summary or respond to any of them yeah so this this second one is just somebody that's kind of complaining about um not feeling respected in the inspection process so I think referring them back which I think Kristen you did right sent them back to rental housing to to talk about how to figure out a way to negotiate it is challenging I mean they you know they'll give you an appointment window and so I can get I can get this person's concerns and um hard when you're when you're sick and you have cats and things like that so I think referring them back to rental housing and um trying to have them talk to them is probably the most appropriate Next Step them over to um but I did send them to rental housing good I hope that can be addressed um Courthouse Square not much new for us in this one um just okay a communication between the two of them that she's seeking more information I think she just copies us on the emails but nothing no action steps on this for us all right great any comments or questions on those emails Julia actually not on the email but I had something before for the next meeting sure um oh yeah I guess we don't have a slot to talk about the next meeting right but go ahead um I just wanted to make sure with um Kristen we were GNA have somebody from the fair housing center at the January meeting yes I sent the calendar item over and I uh they responded with a question that I still need to to respond to okay so I sent it over um at the end of last week okay good so that's something that'll be on the agenda at the next meeting we'll have a brief presentation from the fair housing um Council sener councel great thank you for checking in on that Julia um so for our next meeting I know this isn't item on here but we should talk about what we're going to do at our next meeting um seems like it makes sense to continue the conversation about the amendments to the um the housing code um there is the discussion of fees if there any updates we'd like to hear those um we don't want to have too many items besides Our Guest we don't want the meeting to go too long but is there anything else that you all feel we should discuss at the next meeting Travis yeah I just wanted to briefly say so I think we can touch base again about um the proposed amendments to ELO and write to renew ordinances but if you guys could perhaps use that meeting as a deadline to get back with us if not even sooner than that if you have specific things that um that you'd like to call out so that we have some opportunity to try to work on them and um because also acknowledging that the time of this meeting we will have gone through two additional Council meetings at that point and so I know that we will want to make sure that we can get them introduced if we'd like to move forward sounds good yeah if anybody is interested in meeting just for like a little working group um session um between now and our next meeting please send me an actually I guess raise your hand if you're interested in doing that I'm not saying we we need to do that okay Jordan Julia okay great anybody else Kim Jamie okay well I gotta write this down [Music] okay um yeah uh so hopefully we can time we can find some time maybe in January early January uh to discuss this get in some Rec kind of have more concrete things to send over to C Council okay great um I think we can move on then unless is there anything else before we move on to adjournment no okay well I know I said at the last meeting I am very proud of what you know all the work everyone has put in I really do appreciate your work um thank you so much for making this an enjoy experience as enjoyable as these long meetings on on Thursdays can be um thank you Kristen for all your work as well and I look forward to seeing everybody in uh in 2024 so we move on to item 11 adjournment do we have a motion to adjourn want to stay here till next year okay okay thank you resita do we have a second I'll second thank you uh Patrick um all in favor of joury say I I I was a POS say n okay with that we are adjourned see you all in January happy New Year happy New Year yeah happy holidays
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position we do have a leave of absence and we have an extra curricular Sarah Klein is going to be our or we're recommending is hopefully you'll vote for it the Middle School assistant track coach um posting then for the halftime high school track coach that we are losing with Mr vos's resignation uh Administration recommends the board approve the consent agenda as presented very short this time yes any comments questions concerns he you know maybe like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda is presented I'll make the motion thank you Andrea d a second a second leis a seconds a roll call please Norine fried yes Adam hkin yes Andrea Cory yes Kelly Moyer yes Greg Meer yes Mr schacher yes Tyson search yes all right we move on to our Communications and reports the enrollment is in your packet and then we'll start with our assistant superintendent report so I want to start out with start off with a few shout outs um for our staff and um so starting at the high school I want to give a shout out to Amanda mcke um kind of my theme you'll see for this month is it's not always those big things that matter it's the small things that matter um and so Amanda is one of our High School Math teachers um and I was in her classroom one day and to watch her lesson and to see the different modes of Engagement she used with her students um they were doing verbal responses she was doing modeling at the board then they got out whiteboards and were doing activities to watch a group of of high school students be engaged for an entire math lesson um and see the validity of why they were doing it um is huge right math is not always everyone's favorite subject and it also when you start talking about high school students and making sure to keep them engaged is sometimes a difficult task um so she did an excellent job with that the next picture of the students in the cafeteria um my shout out for this month is Michelle breeding who is one of our cafeteria workers at the middle school um if you remember last year we did the survey with the students and we did the tasting menu where they got to pick different items um but Michelle breeding then saw that um there was a need for some more options for the middle school students other than just what came out from that tasting menu um and so she took the time to talk to students listen to what they had to say and she actually brought the walking tacos to the middle school and it was a huge success to the fact that not only did they run out of chips and had to start borrowing bags of chips from the other buildings but they once they borrowed from the other buildings they still ran out of chips the first time they sold it so it was an overwhelming success um and that was because of Michelle's dedication to getting our kids what they wanted to eat during a school lunch um the the next one down below where it shows the classroom number is just a sign I was walking around the building doing some classroom visits and I happen to come across Lyn web's classroom room here at Parkview um and all of the classrooms were doing their map Benchmark testing for the middle of the year and so our sign just says we are acing the maap test um and it's just those small subliminal messages right a lot of the signs said we're testing or um you know please be quiet as we take the test um but just switching it to that putting in the kids mind that we're acing it because we're showing everything that we know um is a huge subliminal message and it literally was just a sign that she chose to hang outside of her classroom um so just wanted to give Lynn a shout out for that and then the last one is a picture of Vicky biffer who is at Eagle viiew she's one of our first grade teachers and I was filling in for Erica last week as the principal in the building and so was able to sit in in an IEP meeting and to listen to Vicki talk to the parents you know to go into an IEP meeting um you already know your student has challenges at school um and so a lot of times they just tend to pile that on here's all the things your student can't do um and we also I think we've talked about even in our um board meetings about how we use a lot of acronyms in education right we don't always stop to make sure that everyone knows what that means um and Vicki did an excellent job of not only celebrating what this child did really well in the classroom but then made sure that the entire way through the conversation that the parents understood exactly what we were talking about made sure that they had plenty of opportunity for questions or to add in their own Insight um and it was just nice again that small little thing but realizing that it takes a village to educate a student um and she did a fantastic job of including those parents into it so um again just a small recognition of a lot of the outstanding teachers that we um and you know staff members that we do have in the district um the next one I want to give a shout out to is to another one of our High School Math teachers Wendy Stevens um who actually just received her national board certification it is an extremely intense and long process to go through to earn your national board certification um so it's kind of a step above just receiving your traditional Illinois state certification you have to not only um do different activ activities along the way and provide them but you have to videotape your lessons you send them in they're critiqued by a panel of different teachers that look at what you're doing and all of that um so to have a teacher on our staff that is you know nationally board certified now is a huge accomplishment but a huge benefit to um our students in the district so just wanted to give her a shout out and celebrate her as well and then to just kind of give you an update on District news kind of looking forward to what's going on um I'm working currently on setting up a lot of administrative training so I've talked to you a lot about teacher professional development that we do but we can't forget our administrators need professional development as well um so we are doing a lot of different trainings on handling discipline and alternative ways to um teaching students right we talk about when a student doesn't know their math facts right we don't punish them and send them home with detention or anything like that right we teach them and we figure out how to approach them well when a student Can't Behave we shouldn't just punish them and send them home we need to help teach them how to behave um so doing some trainings on discipline and bullying and how to tackle those um we are still continuing with our teacher trainings when we come back in January we're going to do a lot of training that will kind of roll over from month to month on our half days looking at our Focus standards classroom instruction and assessment um in this next semester we're doing a curriculum review for science it's time for us to look at our science curriculum and is it meeting our needs and where do we need to make changes um from K through 12 with that um we'll be mapping out our Middle School English curriculum I've talked to you earlier this year about we were doing a pilot at the middle school with some curriculum um you know kind of looking at what it offers we are realizing that it's not meeting the true needs but that's difficult when you buy a can and curriculum of what there is um but we also know that there is a need to ensure that our students are receiving um a robust and a rigorous curriculum so we are going to be working with um the teachers this next semester on getting that realigned and then we're working on some updating some teacher evaluations um some different options that they can do a lot of times we tend to start seeing teacher evaluations as just another hoop to jump through or a box to check off and and if teachers and administrators are going to spend their time um and invest their time into that we might as well make it worthwhile for everyone involved so we're looking at making some changes to how that works and doing some trainings for the administrators as well to make their evaluations much more um efficient and needed and then we are going to also in this next semester do some vertical alignment for our art curriculum so getting um our second through through um 12th grade art teachers um those three teachers together and to be able to look at can we align what we're doing make sure we're not overlapping projects and and that we're meeting the students needs there so a lot is going to be happening in the second semester and then really the last thing I just wanted to throw out is just um really more so to anyone including especially the public um that might know of people we do still have a cook position that is open that hasn't been filled that is extremely important um you know I talked about Michelle and how important her job was um she needs some help and support to get that done so we do have a cook position still open we also have a PA position that is still open so if anyone's open in or interested in a full-time position um but we also need subs desperately in every category teacher Subs Paris Subs custodial secretary um cook Like You Name It We need subs so anybody that you know has has a flexible work schedule that thinks well I can only offer one day a week we will take you one day a week um all you need to do is contact Kim at the district office and she can get you set up with what that is so I just wanted to throw out an extra um you know kind of acknowledgement or a reminder to everyone that we are looking for those spots and that's all I have that's a lot it is a lot yeah all right and on to our superintendent report all right um last month we were asked about the eclipse we sent out a survey uh 625 families responded to the survey 10% of those families that responded would have issues with child care if we would close on that day they'd have to figure it out um so whenever you adjust a schedule you've got to you've got to think about those things 64% of the faculty and staff um that responded we only had 119 of them that responded but 64% of them they do not want to add a day to the end of the calendar and cutting that day would add a day to the end of the calendar of the 36% 64% don't want to add the day there were 36% of those people that were willing to extend the calendar of that 36% 15 of them would also like to use a personal day so some of the people that wanted to extend the calendar were like yeah I'm fine we could have the day off extend the calendar that's good but no I I don't need a personal day that day you know 15 of them said we would so in my mind those 15 are the ones that are vested in in getting the day off um at this point I think that we should try to figure out how to get the subs so that those that are going are going um but I wouldn't change the CH the the the calendar or do that I mean you guys can add it to an agenda item if you want to um but my recommendation was don't change it 10% of the community is going to have issues with child care and I'd like to think that the 15 people we'd be able to figure it out and cover it but uh as we're always trying to thread the needle and do what we can for them and do what we can for this this is the calendar was set and so I just wouldn't adjust it yet um the second thing I want to talk about is strategic planning and listening to Alysa it's that timing it's you know we've got a lot of things going on uh we've got the found things in the district to a point though where I think that strategic planning might be a good time we've got all of the roofs covered and all of the tuck pointing done on the buildings so our buildings facilities are looking good we've got the big project at the high school going um which is a wonderful wonderful thing for us curricular we got textbook adoptions going we've got um alignment with our our our specials and stuff like that that happening we've also got operational stuff we've changed over our financial software we're getting new updated student softwares so all of those key foundational things that an organization like a school district need to evolve we've all done those those things and so at this point strategic planning would be our next place where we look at them and say you know there's there's typical areas like you would want to do Student Success thriving Workforce or Workforce Excellence you know how well do we prepare kids for the workforce or for college uh self-supportive School climates or future growth and aspirations family committee uh Community engagement um effective efficient and effective operations you know how do we serve the community what do people think about and you can get goals I bring this up because um there's this company called thought exchange that has a really neat tool for surveying the community it does come at a cost but it also comes with advisers on how to do this um just to get the the the thing ahead it's about 24,000 for a year um if we do it this year the sales guy can drop it down to 21744 that's based on a 2,000 student population so we'd give them our actual numbers and that would be what it is for 21,000 we could start it in January and and go um what's neat about this program is is it allows you to ask very openend questions on those specific areas so the survey the parents can then write in a one sentence I think that they do this really well it then has you with a Liker scale rank other people's comments like in Student Success I think the high school does a great job with the science program you know how many other people then when you answer what you think with that qualitative it then quantitatively starts throwing you other ideas and um you you get to say whether how strongly you agree or disagree with those ideas and so what happens is is as we're is they were doing the presentation and showing it to me um they say that you walk into the room with an idea oh we need to do this but then when you see other people's ideas and you start judging it you walk away with a kind of a a deeper view or another idea um it also has AI components on the end of it so if you wanted to you could have ai write up a nice little summary of the findings of this report it really is a neat program um 24,000 or 21,700 if we do it this year would be expensive um it's not a cheap program but I've looked at other schools that have used it and um I think it would be worth the investment so I'm not asking for an action item here it is within the limits of what I could do um as far as purchasing it it would then go to the strategic planning and we'd be able to engage and you'd be able to send it out like a survey just to the faculty and staff you could send out a survey just to the families you could send out the survey to the community you could have it on the website and say all business owners please you know you go to the chamber and you say please fill out this survey and you get the feedback from that um so think about that I've got a week to get back to the sales guy as to whether or not we want to engage now or we want to engage later no pressure no pressure it it's a a $3,000 savings um I like to save $3,000 however I don't want to buy something that might not be the right time to use either because buying something and then not using it's no good either so can I ask some questions certainly all right so who's going to compile all this data and go through it sounds like a lot of work the compilation of the data they actually have a coordinator that they assign to work with you and so they help you create the surveys because they've done strategic planning at other districts and then the um the metrics on the other side it prints out reports and they would help you massage those what would happen then is is with those reports and the the the responses you guys the board would need to sit back find some time we would need to schedule a weekend maybe couple hour Retreat go over that and set goals and again we've got a lot of things going on right now with the uh high school expansion with the textbook adoptions with a lot of the foundational stuff um if we're not going to do it this year you'll probably hear me next year pushing a little harder for it but um have you talked to any school districts that's use this not this tool specifically no other questions so you only mentioned a few of the areas is it open for other areas like could we use it for finding out the opinions about the facilities and yeah absolutely just I the the areas I picked I went online and I looked at a bunch of school district strategic plans and they're all rather similar you know the the problem is is that you know you're going to be talking about Student Success you know you're going to be talking about Workforce and and post school you know you're going to look at the facilities you're going to look at the financial you're going to look at a lot of those areas um the goals that you then set is where the the responses to the survey guide you but the areas are all um sky's the limit because you can whatever you find important important I I do a little research on this afternoon so the the option is unlimited surveys that you want to do yeah is that the one yeah because um I think for the first year the first year that we do it be it whether we do it in January July or we do it next January um the first year you use it you want to be able to survey everybody I mean you could send it out to the band parents you you know with Skyward grouping kids you could send it out to the people that ride buses that's my last question so how where do these lists come from do we have to supply the list for these surveys so do we have to have a list of the parents or do we have to have a list of it would come through our our uh our emails yes the business we're responsible for creating the list all right most of the families and and community members we have in our in our account I'd have to go to the Chamber of Commerce and get what their ma email list is um so there's a lot of ways to do it the post office typically has an option where you can mail out uh uh Flyers to everybody in the ZIP code right so is it a one-time fee or is there a fee every sing every year every year and they say that it usually goes up around 3 to 4% every year so love the idea hate the cost yeah that's why we're discussing it so trying to figure out why you would do it more than one year I mean if you're doing strategic planning you don't we wouldn't typically do that every year anyway right I mean you know that's kind of like an every five or 10 year thing probably I to go out for that much information I mean you want to update your strategic plan more frequently but I wouldn't think that you would need to do that level of digging to figure out what the priorities would be for the Strategic plan if you had recently done an overhaul yeah I guess I I'd need to do a little more thinking about once you do the the plan you've got your goals set um how do you measure the goals do you go back with another survey or are they more concrete goals like we're going to do this you know are we is one of the goals to you know build support because to to to see if you've accomplished a goal you might need a survey to do it is I guess my point but yeah but I don't think we need to pay a survey company to do that to do appointed success survey so you're seeing this as a one one shot and yeah I mean I with with the cost of it I mean I just can't see the value of doing follow-ups at this price but you know in the the entire landscape changed after Co and returning trying to figure out what people's priorities are now may not be the same as they were five years ago 10 years ago yeah so when we talked about trying to maximize that cost for that year so um in the past we've done exit interviews when staff members are leaving the district um I sit down and interview them why are you leaving and when we were in Chicago one of the sessions I sat in was about building staff culture um and it talked about really you shouldn't be doing exit interviews you should be doing stay interviews um and so when you first start those right it's hard to people to have trust in what are you really doing with this data and so we talked about well this might be a good way that first year to get more people to anonymously share their thoughts until they kind of build the trust and see what we're going to do with this information um and then slowly turn it into something else but I think like to Adam's point that kind of a one-year thing but let's use it for more than just strategic planning if we're going to spend that kind of money this is kind of a last minute thing and and you know it is a $3,000 discount but it again at the price point it is I I I think maybe we need to have more time and more thought on on it before we move forward and I'm sorry Greg asked this question I I don't know if I just didn't hear it or what but your answer as far as who's I know you asked who's going to compile the information but who's going to then be processing the information looking at it maintaining all of the you know the surveys the stats the everything else so that if even if we were to do this within that first year we know that what we're paying for is actually somebody's using it cuz I'm just one of those people like I'm very and I'll be honest like I'll like oh this sounds great I'll buy it I'll do it and then you know like if you don't have somebody executing it so I guess that would be my question too is who's who are going to be the people that would actually execute the outcomes so that we're what we're paying for is actually getting utilized yeah and and that would be where the administrative team the development of the plan and the goal setting would be the board once the those goals are set then the administrative team would have to come up with how are we going to implement the changes that we're working toward and then it would be a matter of then coming back and reporting to you all that we're actually making the changes so it'd be kind of layered all right that's all I had for the oh um we are going to have a very brief closed session there's no item after do you want a consensus from the board are you happy the way it stands or with this I'm happy with way it stands I think I I we'll wait is the read that I'm taking if if I'm reading that wrong that's why I'm reading the room as well just all right just don't want to assume anything that's all that's fine we got plenty to do so I I think that's I think you can always ask for a 10% discount huh yeah I think you can always ask for a 10% disc that's not enough carot to make me want to jump into stuff I agree works for me perfect and that's not saying that we can't do this on our own also if you want to do a survey if we're coming up with the data or the or the lists we can do a survey monkey for yeah what I liked about it was the qualitative aspect where people are able to write down a sentence and then other people can agree or disagree with that sentence I I maybe we does have to be educator specific survey company I mean correct all right it's probably a good starting point yeah great conversation though thank you okay all right I mean it sounds like a great program just yeah money you well and with the high school project and that sort of thing it's bad timing I think it's the all right move on for items of action the first is Airbase favor the approval of the tax levy for the year 2023 yeah and uh we presented that last month it's numbers are the same Administration recommends the board approves this I need to get the signed Levy to St Clair and to Monroe before the end of this year so I'm hoping you approve tonight so that I can deliver it to St Clair tomorrow and uh Tuesday for Monroe so perfect questions discussions comments would anybody like to make a motion to remove the tax levy for the years 2023 the year 2023 excuse me I'll make the motion thank you Andrea Joor second I'll second Tyson second thank you roll call please Adam hin yes Andrea Cory yes KY moer yes Craig Meyer yes L schacher yes Tyson search yeser yes perfect thank you all for that item B is the approval of our early graduates and you have a list of indiv indviduals who have gotten their credits so that they can graduate they will be invited back to walk the stage should they choose they're not forced to but uh the recommendation here is to um approve their early graduates there's a lot of people that end up getting jobs before they go off to college and it's beneficial so impressive right questions comments concerns I had a motion to approve our early have a question so when the if the students do the early graduate if they graduate early M um are they still allowed to do any of the extracurriculars later in the year like prom like yeah like they can do prom they can do graduation um but not like student council or that kind of like the clubs and the sports kind of things um no but the like prom graduation they are it's an interesting question I would imagine when they choose to graduate early they are um informed of the things that they be opting out of or not so so just out of curiosity why is that like what is is that a state thing is that a a district thing as far as I mean why aren't they involved in our clubs anymore yeah CU they're not our student anymore okay I mean coming back for prom and whatnot it's yeah and so um you know the clubs are the more day-to-day things prom is a you know if you're sitting there saying well I don't want to be an early graduate cuz I want to go to prom you know that's a one time event and odds are you're going with somebody that's still a student um but as far as the day-to-day clubs and whatnot is that the same or is that different than students that I don't know what the right word is affil like not Affiliates but that you know like siou or you know like swick they do some swick classes or something like that is that so the startup the startup the startup that's that's what it is where the students go and they go to the startup they do not participate in our clubs they can do it if it's outside of the school day is I believe the running yeah our running start students can participate yeah not startups running start yeah that's it yes yes so the clubs that are outside of the school day um we've made a couple of changes to kind of help benefit in the past like they hadn't been eligible for National Honor Society but those students are taking extremely rigorous courses so that is something that is changing in our policy for next year that those students will be eligible for National Honor Society they are eligible for prom and graduation um but yeah not the the day-to-day clubs that meet during home room I think and that that was one of the things I've heard in the past was you know they're taking these like you said rigorous classes that are very Advanced and kind of getting knocked I guess for not being recognized as National you know Honor Society so but that's the running start that's not the early graduates right which is yes so that's that's what I was trying to differentiate and understand the difference if there's any early graduates on the TV they are going to vote for it we'll get there we'll get there we will Circle back thank you for clarify that's the most discussion we've had on it anyway we would recommend the early graduates and they would be able to go to prom but not other clubs sorry no no that's I have they're all things that I've been wondering so it's you know the extracurriculars and all that so it's just just graduation if they want to walk in the spring which was the traditional one they'll get their diplomas did they get their diplomas now or do they get it in may they get I honestly don't know I believe it's May I got mine when I graduated I graduated early and I got it when I oh yeah I think that's I mean if they're no longer a student why would we hold their diplomas yeah no they I mean it's just a matter of whether or not they're printed I don't know so they are they are okay there you go okay you see I'm learning new things than too how about a motion to approve our early graduates I'll make the motion thank you Adam I was hoping you might second in seconds thank you all in favor I any opposed any extensions that All Passes moving along we have the approval for intergovernmental yeah go ahe sorry for the instruction of emergency medical responder course yeah and I'm hoping that this one pass too because um Tuesday or Wednesday what day are you meeting with I'm meeting with her on the 28th oh you're meeting with her on the 28th to show her her room and get her wow so I mean we should just not approve it right now just because you're doing all this that would be a cruel and somewhat humorous joke but this is a good program and I think that this we've got a lot of kids again the goal is to um add another class so that they can graduate and become emergency medical technicians oh no I think it's a I think it's a great in the future we want toand it to the we actually talked about this a few years ago kind of touchbased about it that's great yeah a dual credit so the students in the EMR class will be earning dual credit this week perfect nice great idea all right right so Administration recommends that the board approve that intergovernmental agreement with the city thank questions on this one I think we actually talked about this one during our dual credit discussion Perfect all right any you like to make a motion to approve our inter intergovernmental cooperation agreement I'll make the motion Thank you Lisa second I'll second who second oh Sanders thank you all right all in favor I opposed any extensions perfect next item is our second reading of approve and approval of the board policy press issue 113 yeah and I sent you all kind of a summary recap of it um there were some of the areas like um uh there's one of the the building the bidding threshold is being recommended that it moves to 35,000 changed from 25,000 um that was one that I know that we have discussed previously and so I didn't know where you guys were on that one um and then the leave of absence of the employees uh 250 employees so I mean I answered most of the questions if there weren't any questions or comments on that I would say approve it as presented that would be the higher threshold for the bidding tell me if you'd like that changed um was same problems last year huh I don't I don't know that I saw that the there was a it was an update because the Illinois code changed I don't know that that that that has actually up for question of whether we want to go from 25 to 35 I think this is just a policy update to align with Illinois code change it is so we're not we're not deciding whether we want to increase or not yeah that's just for the the Illinois right we can make it stricter but not broader so yeah we can we can wind it down if we want to we just can't say we're going to do 40 or whatever instead right but we can do 25 if you want to do that yeah the number hadn't changed for a very long time so the recommendation is to allow it to change [Music] because so I had a couple of additional notes or things I guess just to bring some for just just for awareness um like 220 uh that which affects us as the board as to how we do it um it did outline how we how we or when we are allowed to attend virtually and especially if we're sick if there's uh employment or School business functions that take us away family or other emergencies or unexpected Child Care obligations so they've changed that since we're no longer under an emergency status um but those are the authorized reasons for virtu virtual board meeting attendance just a highlight I had there um I think the only other one was on 760 I think your recommendation was no is the default um this one is about accepting District employees children if they're non-residents to aend for no tuition fee basis yeah so that no is the default no is the default that that's one that I I would actually like to have some discussion on because I actually think that why why wouldn't we want to allow our teachers to bring their kids here but I I just I know other some districts do it some districts don't I mean I know we have quite a few that live outside the district that have school aged children I don't I don't know the one thing I would say that has changed this has always been a possibility for districts and back when you were paid by the number of kids um there's an advantage to trying to increase the kids so a lot of communities would allow their their teachers that lived outside of the district to bring the kids in because you got more funding for that evidence-based funding has changed a little bit so that we don't see any benefit from adding to the kids right now um our classrooms are pretty full we are you know and so we don't know how many would come in if you do this you would be taking all of them there you know it's not like but we'll take Mrs Corey's children while she but not Mr Meyers you know it's a it's an all or none thing um I I could go either way with it the the big perk I think that we would want to think about is would this make people want to apply here because as a Colombia teacher and my kid could come to Colombia that might get us some applicants um I would just piggyback on what Adam said was that I feel like in the past we've lost teachers because they were able to go to the district dist where their children went to school and it's more convenient for them we we've lost some longterm teachers waterl grain some from us yes some long-term teachers that have been able to go where their kids go to school and so I I I really think that that would be an advantage for anybody applying here to be able to bring their kids to go to school here with them it it cuts down on child care costs it cuts down on a lot of things that are Logistics in just in general so I I would not be opposed to that at all is a consensus on the board that board policy um 7.60 under residence it asks do you wish to accept requests from District employees for their nonresident children to attend in a tuition-free basis knows the default we I've heard two people say yes that they would they would think that that's a a a good idea we can change that to yes tuition free yeah it would be tuition free I agree I think it would be a benefit I don't I mean I I get like the tuition free thing like could be opening up a can but I don't think there's there's going to be enough that it would several won't pull their kids from the schools to bring them here now but it would be enticing for new teachers coming in or maybe you would well I'm saying like not everybody would but some would we could do a survey I mean probably we love surveys let's do so I like the idea a lot but I'm having a hard time making the decision without knowing what the consequences are so in other words if we're going to bring in 100 kids and it's going to upset the apple card on the whole deal we have to know what we're getting into in my opinion again I like the idea but well I think a survey would be good like to see how many how many staff actually have kids that age like school age that they would even want to bring them here and then if you I mean and then we can the math people which is not me can do the math and kind of figure out like you know tuition free what is that costing what what I mean I think that there probably needs to be a little bit more digging but I absolutely I think it would be beneficial I don't think that I think if somebody's going to work for our school district and they're going to that they should have some sort of benefit to doing that and and letting their kids come and like everything that Andrea said I I I'm fully on board with that um I think the rest of it would be like not because of me necessarily but because of backlash that we could get from so what I'm hearing you all say is we can approve the policies as presented and we will table specifically board policy 760 and we will update that next month in January and I will send out a survey to the faculty and staff and see who would be interested in possibly bringing their kids here we'd have harder numbers and whatnot and I could um do some digging into this would just be teachers right is this just teachers faculty and staff faculty all faculty all staff which I mean it could then help us get more people that want to come and work here I mean I don't know you know I mean like that could be a huge benefit we could maybe get some great you know additional I mean obviously we're we have a lineup of people that we're looking for for Stuff soar bring their most kids are going to want to stay I think in their community that they grow up in I guess it just depends on the age yes the age but it gives young and you're starting off with little ones then you might just want to be like hey let's like let's do this so I don't know we'll just I think if survey is a good idea okay how much is out of how much is a tuition for non-residents right now we don't accept tuition for yeah we don't have it um there is a calculation I'd have to look it up it it is your operating yeah it's probably the you'd have to look at your annual financial report and okay but there's a calculation in your annual Financial reports and I'd have to dig it up but it's well because only reason that I really ask that is whenever you're looking at the total compensation package calc calculation I know on the federal government side if that if this was something that was offered to a teacher on the federal level then that would be something they would consider okay there's a benefit that you're getting as a non-resident you could take your kids there and here's the here's the stated value you know as to there's no real backend to it um but it's good to know you know where those dollars are and you know if the school is actually attributing 7 what would have been $77,000 to you know position you just keep track of the numbers for people that are numbers people like myself even if there's nothing on the back end it helps you at least I don't believe that what I don't believe that you're not a numbers person I feel like you're like engineer guy so don't I was like the recommendation is to approve the policies tabling 760 I will do a survey and I will um look at the AFR and get you the tuition costs I don't think we necessarily need to table to 60 or 270 uh we can approve it the way it is and we can always amend it okay at our next meeting that way everything's clean because we table it we have a we have an item that's up in the air could be ambiguous that's my recommendation but so so we have that option of change our policy anytime we change it time You' need to go through two readings so I would I would we' have to do January and then February February yeah where I I think in tabling it you could say we've done one reading a second reading and then be able to table it that's fine right let's table it that's fine because I guess the policy would continue as written until as written right okay that's true so I'll make the recommendation with tbling 760 and I second and approving the rest I'll second it seconds a roll call please Andrea Cory yes Kelly Moyer yes Greg Meyer yes Lisa Schumacher yes Tyson search yes Norine Frick yes Adam Hunkin yes all right that passes that concludes our items for Action our next is our discussion items we'll start with our facility study yeah this is an update you have at your desk uh schematic design narrative um Adam spent a day out here going through copious amounts of plan and circling and highlighting everything we've then gave that to The Architects and um they've acknowledged all of it the schematic design is the first phase then you get the um document what what is the DD there's SD DD and then CD the DD is development design where they go into more at this point what we're approving is the fact that we are going to be adding an auditorium an administrative office area a front wing and a gymnasium with remodelings of the others it's kind of the footprint that we are agreeing to um in very broad Strokes the details have been discussed and are being pushed through do you want to add something to that Mr humin well the details for the front Wing the administrative area the auditorium and then some of the renovation of the existing space the details of the gymnasium have not been right laid out so that's really a broad here's conceptually we w a competition gym we went some locker rooms and four four or five rooms above it um but that's about the level of detail that's gone into that um but the rest of it we've had pretty detailed conversations looking at size and flow and restrooms and pretty much all the all the stuff we need to get get moving uh to get those types of things everything except for the auditorium space um to where they can start start preparing to go out for a bid and getting the engineers I know they were in on Wednesday yesterday for it was yesterday afternoon um 1:00 to around 4:15 they were popping ceiling tiles and um finding details like the uh the the classrooms that are behind the auditorium area they were going to kick out the wall so the band room had a little more room but they found that the wall there is a loadbearing wall and so the extra few feet probably is not going to happen um because that would just it's one of those things where those extra feet wouldn't be worth the Cana levers and all the other physics yeah and so um they were in there and and like we were also in the media center and finding out where the pillars will be because right now the media center will be part of the cafeteria as the media center becomes where the office area is cuz a new office area is being built but that that space is going to have some poles because something's got to hold up the roof and so they were identifying where all those things are but that's so all all the Code Compliance they've been going that's part of this phase going through making sure we have adequate restrooms um we've had numerous discussions about having whether you call them family restrooms single person restrooms unisex restrooms whatever you want to label them as um you know we're looking at making sure we have more of those in the school um as well as in the auditorium area for when we have events um that it could handle it looking at even being able to lock off areas or when there is something in the auditorium people cannot get to the rest of the building right now we put up a sign that says please do not enter this area um there are doors but you know there's 50 ft before the door um you know so things like that just the the flow all the safety items so all those things have been discussed in pretty pretty lengthy detail and then that's what the engineers were here for on were here for yesterday for numerous hours looking to make sure that some of the assumptions about well what do we have for cable trays what do we have where does the plumbing run how many actual you how many things are here where where's our Fiber come in that's still a question um you know some of that stuff uh they're they're really ironing out the details that's where we're at now so that's kind of post the that's moving into the second phase so one of the the points that was um discussed on Wednesday there is going to be an elevator at the end of The West Wing currently the second floor of that Wing is not Ada accessible because the second floor of the East wing and the second floor of the West Wing don't connect and there's an elevator on this side but there's no elevator on this side and so there was a lot of discussions of why can't we get the second floor above the what we're building to connect to that so that people could just walk because there's if we're adding this many number of students the flow and how the people walk and the stairs and everything it it is just it's the roof line and um and the fact that the hallway you need to have a ramp up and go over the the the roof it's it's elevations don't work yeah the elevations don't work and the roof line doesn't work so there's just no way to conect NE so you're going to need to add another elevator which and the structure is not there to put a second second level on it yes so just every at every turn the answer was it's just not practicable yeah practicable so yeah we we tried but it just didn't make sense so we'll add an elevator yeah even if we did connect them we would need to add an elevator anyway because the distance to the nearest elevator would have been too far so whether ada8 says yes or no I I still think that that would have been a bad design all right so um we are going to be approving the schematic design and then the uh the next stage is where they really get the the the walls figure out like in the office area we're still going back and forth with like the in school suspension should we have a bunch of little rooms or one big room that a person could sit in and and and so there's some programmatic things that we are still working out um as we go through the different iterations of the plans but well I think maybe one other thing of might be of interest so during the when the construction starts the day after school lets out most likely um so the the entrance to the school will change I know we we've had quite a few discussions internally about it but I don't know if we as a board have talked but if you're coming in from the parking lot nearest I don't know I guess the the the hill the city park over by the by the gy corner by the gym that will become the new main entrance during construction so they're going to build a little foyer entrance into there there's already a ticket window that's currently used for storage so they will'll be able to have um someone in there actually for when people come in and need badged in or whatever uh so there's already some infrastructure there so they won't have to do a real complex build but they will build a new entrance area that will allow us to stay secure and meet our different security requirements for that year and a half or whatever it's needed um and I think right now the projected schedule is through December so it' be a full school year and a half um until the front is opened up this currently the projected timeline so that's all still to TBD but right now that's the best we have as far as a forecast um because that's going to be a large chunk the um and I say this with the trauma that it brings to us but when we did covid and um we ended up doing video announcements of what we were doing and how we were doing it we're going to need some video announcements on how traffic's going to flow and where the parking's going to work and all that other stuff so this summer is going to be uh a lot of communication out to the public as far as you know we need you to come in here this is where you drop off your kids and this is you know we'll have videos and diagrams and is there something that you can do prior to school letting out to let kids know that that's like so that you can let the kids know directly without just depending on parents so pretty soon everybody's going to it's it's becoming almost that time where uh they start picking their parking spaces for next year okay and so um that's going to be the first step of it because we're going to want to make sure that we control what side of town you live on as to where you're going to be what parking lot would be the most advantageous graders like knowing like parents obviously are going to be dropping off at that point like they can't drive but I mean even for eighth graders you know current eighth graders that are going into freshman year to know and just have that idea of like hey we've seen all these years kids go in to this door but come you know fall of 2024 let's go just so that they know obviously parents are going to have to know also but maybe just to kind of that'll probably be part of freshman orientation okay that's that's what I'm asking which is normally when they like when because I have a freshman so it was all brand new to me so that is something that they did with us you know before school started you know with an incoming freshman so I would expect that that would happen with them as well but I do think it would be good for the upper classman the current freshman sophomores and juniors even if it's just there are next year it's going to be different because they're not going to pay attention over the summer right so but right now a lot of there are parents that have kids just in the middle school that Park up where we're doing the new parking at the park and they their middle schooler walks through you know pass the high school to get up there and I don't know if that's going to be a possibility because the construction to be able to and and so there's um well the high school kids will have that parking lot full right so so it's it's I mean they'd have to park farther up into the park if they to do that because all that current space where they sit right now next to the batting cages and there's maybe a half a dozen cars up there on any given day right so where they where those folks sit they're going to there's that whole parking lot I expect will be completely filled with higho school kids that have parked there already but you know if it's seniors then they may be gone by the last hour when somebody needs to come pick up their kids so they'll just have to see what space is available there but yeah there's going to be some changes to how it works but that's at least we have an alternative solution versus just saying okay only we only have 100 parking spaces for kids to use we'll still have 200 close to the same number we have now even during construction so but we are starting to look at um flow of traffic as we're looking at where the office is going to be because we've got to have um all the fire codes and because if there was an issue getting the kids out safely and emergency plans and all those things are are in the work so questions concerns comments about any of this all right perfect move on to individual board member comments anyone have anything for this evening no president's prerogative I don't have anything as well so that leads into our executive session and we're going to entertain a motion to journ into executive sessions for the purposes of appointment employment compensation discipline performance or dismissal of a specific employee of the public body or legal counsel for the public body including hearing testimony on a complaint log against the employee of the public body or against legal counsel for the public body to determine its validity according to 5 ilcs 1202 C1 and also be student disciplinary cases pursuant to 5 ICS 1202 C9 may you like to make a motion to adjourn into executive session I'll make a motion I'll into executive session thank you Andrew I'll second second roll call please yes Adam hkin yes Andre Cory yes Kelly Moyer yes Greg Meyer yes Lisa schacher yes Tyson yes all right there are no action items as a result anticipated from our executive session so you are welcome to rejoin us at the conclusion of that and watch us adjourn so we'll be back all right we are we are back uh we just conclude our executive session there are no action items as a result of that our last agenda item is adjournment anybody like to make a motion to adjourn I'll make that motion thank you Adam second I'll second okay perfect all in favor I I that concludes our meeting time is 8:25 p.m.
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I guess he this we're live we are live from New York oh from Seattle sorry horrible dad joke so uh Hey kids thank you oh my wife is listening to us in the background so glad you're all here we're really excited to to be here again do you like my uh I'm not sure what Rick's got going on here but gotat lady I'm just a lumberjacking my tree my red truck glad you're all here thank you for showing up uh we should have some fun we got some great prizes I think uh you know the Firestone gift cards I thought we're pretty and then there's my wife again uh so we thought we'd start a little bit early so oh my goodness there's uh so many comments in all right nice nice so glad you're here uh TR so this is my brother Rick for those that you don't that don't know um he's the one I went to live with when I was younger so him and his wife Karen he's nine years older than me does he look it at least and and this is Adam this is Rick's son Adam he's nine years younger yeah no no we don't need to go into ages and Travis couldn't make it unfortunately you know I did my podcast with Travis so a lot of you may be amiliar with him uh but unfortunately he couldn't make it he had a cough and it's it's a bummer he couldn't make it because he has a lot Tois yeah nice to miss hopefully you're watching this Travis so yeah right uh anyway um yeah so it's unfortunate he couldn't make it here because he laughs at his own jokes and so it's always nice never dead air with Travis right never he's good at filling in he is real good uh so let me see we might go a little bit longer than usual I think um normally we try to keep it 30 minutes to 45 minutes but I think we've got just so many things going on that will probably go a little bit longer and we do like to kind of engage with you guys too as we're uh as we're going along too but not get so distracted with that because it can be a little distracting I like that you you all look fairly young thank you thank you is it light and it's our makeup yeah so um I do have Super Chat enabled whatever that means uh so somebody asked asked me that last time and I didn't even know what it was to be honest with you I can explain it Super Chat is a way people can make donations oh and their their chat will like be highlighted and so it's a way in which they can interact on like a a level where we can see it a little more easily oh okay how that works okay it's pretty super it's a super chat it's a super way of chatting so uh let's see what do we got going on here um we always like to say where are you from I think that it's always just crazy to see uh what how this channel has gone across the globe and recently I was going to share this when I tell a little bit about what's going on with me but just today I was on a TV show in Indonesia so Jakarta I recorded that a while back so anyway crazy that this has uh become what it's become and hopefully you know we'll continue to grow this thing and um have a movement of trying to encourage people to be able to do things for themselves and be the best people that they can be so much love from Alabama Alabama we got relatives there now we do yeah my brother moved right my brother Jo daughter is in Alabama Massachusetts resident alien from India oh that's rash or is that rash because I I know I have anyway so Saudi Arabia see Morgana she's Morana Morgana is always faithful she is So speaking of that I one of the things I wanted to do at the risk of leaving people out I don't want to leave people out because there's certainly a lot of people that comment on my on my different channels but I just want to run through a real quick list of names of people that have been faithful uh to comment and uh encourage encourage uh you know they um I got people praying for me and I I do appreciate that so so Amy uh Morgana thank you so much you're you're on the list of course Lisha she always comments and says nice things Jeffrey I know he always he um sends me direct messages and says he's praying for me Malone uh I you know these names I don't know if they're real names or not but you know who you are right it might be your Alias rash uh she's always good to to comment Julie is really faithful I don't want to read your last names necessarily in case you want that to be private hiding from the police uh care bear 8198 thank you so much for always commenting Kelly Lynn has been really uh faithful squeak your mind uh she always comments uh Amy Fuentes uh is another one real Nick BB might be pronouncing that wrong gratzi g r a a zce thank you uh Christina thank you and danne Chrissy so uh again at the risk of leaving people because I could probably read that all day but I just wanted to let you know that I do recognize you constantly coming back and encouraging me so so thank you for that uh let's see hi Poland hi Brazil yeah we didn't really acknowledge where you're all from but yeah Chicago Iraq oh my goodness yeah very cool nice fix the fireplace damper today it was knocked out of place nice okay good job that's very uh I don't know I've shared that before I remember when we were younger um and uh we went to light a fire and I didn't know about the fireplace damper having that open right because if you don't Smoke's going to come into your house you got to open that up but you want to keep it closed right so the rest of the time there I think that's a relative R oh Laticia that's uh my mom my wife's mom hi Mom [Laughter] I call oh that's lety that's hi lety yep yep so uh and one thing unfortunately I'm really sorry about this but the the prizes are for people in the I said continental US it really should be contiguous contiguous United States but I'll honor the continental United States because that would include Alaska but the only reason we did that is just because it's just tricky uh you know there might not be a Firestone in different countries uh and so we tried to keep it simple in the future with other prizes maybe we could do something where we yeah include everybody International International shiing uh yeah so uh first uh do I have a dad joke maybe I'll maybe I'll tell a d what I know gosh it's been a busy season ad Adam's expecting his wife is expecting so I don't have any dad jokes yet but in a couple months I'm sure I'll have some yeah okay so I saw this online so I this from somebody but I thought it was so clever so did you hear about the blind Cyclops Brothers No neither have [Laughter] [Music] I very very true is that [Laughter] hilarious you had to go you had to go to Cyclops to make that work right neither have I that's pretty good so all right so we already did the drawings and I have backups Ina in Cas so I'm not going to read the backup names but we did the drawings backup names in case you're not actually in the contiguous Continental Continental us so the connected States we'll start with that so my book and I'll I'll uh sign this and personalize it for you so my book the first drum let's see is drum roll it's like 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Insta becca. insta so you won the first prize congratulations so uh I guess I could probably spread this out throughout the day what's going on with me because I got a million things going on and so but I wanted to fill you in on a on a few things so I'll try to get through this quick uh so to just to recap 2023 I was on the Today's Show so we went to New York that was pretty cool a little out of my uh comfort zone but I did it so I'm trying to encourage you guys to get out of your comfort zone so that's what I'm doing uh we also went to Turkey if if you saw my hot air balloon uh video we were in Turkey I went to Colorado Springs went to Nashville Firestone sent me out to Nashville if you watch that video um and then we also went to Kansas City and to Pica for my my cousin's 80th birthday so that was fun we all got to get together and celebrate that so cool things on the schedule for 2024 for me um I'm gonna actually go out to Montana uh eBay Motors is sending me out to Montana to to drive some cars in the snow that be pretty pretty fun in January and and Firestone we got some more things planned with Firestone I'm actually going to be writing a column for a paper um I don't think you guys know that I know yeah kind of fun uh I'm also going to be a part of this thing called kinship where you come in a group of you it's kind of I don't want to call it group therapy but it kind of is where people come in and kind of talk about things what they're going on I think it helps with the loneliness that's going on in in the world where we're kind of separated and it's kind of a way to bring people together AARP is actually coming to my house to film um I did the initial interview with them they want to come and just highlight my story um and this is kind of cool uh have you guys seen Reacher yeah is it it's like the Jack Reacher show Jack Reacher yeah it's actually I mean Tom Cruz well he had a movie version there's a TV show yeah so there's a series so they sent me some stuff and uh just trying to figure it out because it's it it can be a little violent too Action Hero no no no so uh anyway kind of fun uh dropping from a rope yeah look at that go look at him uh it really show my age I think if we started doing too much man double double in here so um and then recently like I said I've been interviewed in Montenegro Bulgaria and then Indonesia I was on in indones show that's amazing kind of crazy and then so my wife and I are turning 60 this year so we wanted uh we have a few things that we wanted to do but um we're gonna go to Port of viarta we're going to Paris and Greece and so so that's kind of fun so that's awesome yeah got a lot of things uh happening that's just kind of how things are just starting so at the beginning of the year the the things are already kind of packed but looking forward to that so yeah somebody was congratulating the winner isn't that nice very kind of yeah uh yeah sorry we're not interacting with you sorry a little bit we got you know yeah we got got schedule got a schedule we gotta keep uh so let's see did that now we were gonna sing a are we gonna sing A Christmas Carol now or I think we were okay we were so so Chris uh christas carols we're going to be singing those I thought I share that sing yes please sing along for us it's uh uh anyway so um an Adam's guitar uh plays guitar so Adam's multi-talented he also he'll tell you about his paintings and all that but Adam I asked Adam if he could come up with some background music for me so when you listen to my videos I'm using kind of one track as you probably can tell over and over getting a lot of use out of that one track extending it 10 minutes the royalties have been amazing oh so anyway kind of cool because I just asked him could you have some sort of calm music in the background and so he did that he also did uh my other original theme song for the podcast and then in the background is are Travis's kids saying Hey Dad hey Dad hey Dad right and then at the end it's Jacqueline his youngest uh daughter saying Dad how do I yeah kind of cute so just so you know that's kind of a family thing yeah and so we recruited Adam to come in here and uh try to play some guitar sing for us one thing I wanted to share with you too I don't know if you guys are familiar with Paul Harvey but he was a real famous guy on the radio and I'm dating myself here but he was even before before me uh he if you can imagine that the rest of the story he he had this thing called the rest of the story and I'm not going to read this but it's a cool story kind of putting the Christmas story in a nutshell and it so if you just Google it Paul Harvey uh a story about the birds a Christmas story about the birds I would encourage you to do that so um we're gonna sing oh little town of Bethlehem and one thing that's always tricky when you're singing with some of these is the lyrics are a little a little different on different things and Adam's got the chords I got this and we're going to just kind of I'm just going to do that at the beginning of every song and it's going to be oel okay perfect so see have this goes give me uh we have not warmed up we Haven we're it's going to be scary for a little bit we're going to need you to kind of le start us I'll try Okay so oh little town of Bethlehem how still we see the light above thy deep and dreamless the silent stars go by yet in thy dark streets Shine the Everlasting Light the hopes and fears of all the years are met in the tonight for Christ is born of Mary and gaed All Above while moral sleep the Angels keep their watch of wondering love oh morning stars together Proclaim thy holy birth and Praises sing to God the king and peace to Men on Earth oh little town of Bethlehem how still we see the light above thy deep and dreamless sleep the silent stars go by yet in thy dark streets shineth the Everlasting Light the hopes and fears of all the years are met in the tonight is that it there's other lyrics in himels or whatever read the whole story it's kind of good I hope you guys sing this kind of reminds us me of when we we sing together in church yeah kind of Harmon you sounded great I thought they sounded did they sound great they sound okay okay you'll get used to think we don't answer if they sound so drawing two so Adam wasn't singing I know I was focused You guitar no I wasn't I didn't want to take away get a glass of water so I'm going to turn it over to Adam real quick I'm just going grab a glass of water so um Adam we're going to have drawing number two for Adam and then Adam why don't you tell about yourself I will and what you got going on even personally too with the kind of big news right this coming year so I'll be right back got some water okay I'm Adam the nephew and uh I have a pregnant wife and she's about seven months along nice so we're expecting here in a couple months so it's gonna be a big change exciting time for us thank you thank you um yeah so we we'll see how that goes it's our first kid it's it's a it's a girl we don't have a name yet so just be praying for us and should we ask for suggestions no thanks you're getting plenty of those already so Roberta Rober we're if your name is Roberta it's a fine name we're probably notri it's his name is Robert that's why that's my middle name though too Robert yeah Roberta is good it's a life Roberta makes sense so we're excited um I also have a giveaway I'm a uh I'm a painter I'm an artist and uh you may have seen we did a a a video a short series of videos on learning how to paint with uh Dad how do I Dad here and so I'm giving away a painting this is a painting I did I'll hold it up here if you can see it try to get a little less glare but giving away this painting um to one lucky uh person reading the name off here in a second but also I do have if you if you like this painting I do have prints available on adamcy art.com you just go straight to that page and 50% of print proceeds are going to the international Mission board and impact a life foundation so if you want to uh pick up a print I can ship that out to you as soon as possible uh I have 11 by 14 and 8 by 10s so just Adam Kenny art.com Kenny has an E before the why just so you know and Adam so is that a painting of a of a place this is the painting of a place yeah so I live in isqua Washington and there's a creek that runs through isqua isqua creek isqua creek believe it or not and uh I took a photo out there so then I did this painting um of that very nice o oil painting on panel wood panel yep I'll brag on you a little bit Adam so yeah you go ahead well Adam also teaches at uh a college I don't know Pacific paciic University yeah so he's good he just get keeps getting better and better I've got stuff that he drew when I when he was young three four five years old I it's gonna be famous someday I don't think so but I love the it's pretty cool Adam is very talented so he um yeah kind of you have so many different is it genres genres yeah where I mean I saw a drawing that you did of Squiggy yeah that was amazing yeah I do a lot of if you go my my Instagram is Adam Kenny art Adam kennyart I have a lot of black and white drawings on there and have or the white on black like white pencil on black so who are we giving this painting to Dr roll drum roll this painting is gonna be shipped to I think this is L Jasmine Jin l or something like that it's always tough on Instagram some of the names are really so difficult congratulations L Jasmine jel congrats I hope you enjoyed enjoy it it was a fun paint I feel like I with every painting I always feel like I'm getting better so there's so have never celebrated Christmas well enjoy yourself enjoy to the world an awesome time so real quick let's just look so Vietnam with love glad you're here from Vietnam uh where you from let's run through some of those uh Brazil Minnesota it will be 51 degrees for Christmas no snow no snow wow in Minnesota is that in the what's the Dome there Minnesota I don't know what is that Dome called The Viking Dome that's it super doome no that's manila manila okay uh T Compton Ukraine oh my goodness the Bronx hope you're doing okay out there hi from Manila the Bronx nice oh Nashville very cool this was recently in Nashville Billings Montana I'll be out in Montana in January end of January uh Taiwan Philippines Florida New Mexico Longmont Colorado Texas very cool love Texas I uh been to Dallas a few times and eaten at the Hard Eight love that barbecue uh so Detroit Michigan West Virginia Mountain Mama Take Me Home Country Roads Mexico City Asheville North Carolina been there my daughter was out in Knoxville for a time we visited there South Korea uh Kiev Guatemala Ohio Maine so yeah pretty awesome thank you thank you for being here am encroaching awes that's okay that's okay okay so we're gonna sing Jingle Bells jingle bell little lighter one yeah starting with the dashing through the snow yeah okay so let me get the tempo here uh dashing through the snow in a one hor open sleigh or the fields we go laughing all the ways onil ringing Bri what it is to and sing aay tonight oh jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way oh what fun it is to ride in a on open sleigh hey jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way oh what fun it is to ride in a one open SL a day or two ago I thought I'd take a ride and soon miss Benny bright was seated by my side the horse was lean and L Misfortune seemed his lock he got into a drifted bank and then we got up oh jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way oh what fun it is to ride in a one hor open sleigh hey jingle bells jingle bells jingle all the way oh what fun it [Music] iside very good Adam nice job multi talented I I don't know if granddaughter uh Jacqueline is watching or not she'd be singing along to that that's why that's why I did the ha we always do that where are we at I don't know drawing three Rick Rick so Rick's got a couple things so we're going to divide them up though so your first one first one okay yeah uh it go also goes with a uh a uh dad joke oh okay what is one of a chiropractor's favorite tools it's almost too easy an adjustable wrench let me this bag of tricks bag of tricks here four this is what you'll be getting and I thought as part of my thing where what's going on with me I'm retired um so just enjoying life uh active in our church more active in our church um enjoying grandkids working on Grant kids Vehicles working on vehic constantly yeah who whoever's vehicles but I wanted to show you something with an adjustable wrench how to use it properly some people don't realize that that you use you're supposed to use it the right way okay is that okay to do this no well okay I'm shaking but no I mean a lot of people don't a lot of people don't know that you adjust it obviously uh but if you can see that you turn it like this you don't you don't have upside down like that like that where you're pulling on the jaw like that you always have the jaw going the other way where you're because that locks that that into the jaw you do it the other way and it PR it apart so a lot of people don't know that but it's the way you should do it but when you can try to use a regular boxand wrench yeah that way you don't round off the corners of the BT but um so Rick's giving away what are you giving away in your first giveaway on that crescent wrench your crescent wrench okay crescent wrench and the crescent wrench goes to St Fuego St Fuego St Fuego yeah so hopefully you Cong hope you'll use that wrench correctly yeah if we find out you're not we're gonna ask you you'll have to send you need to submit a video of you completely understanding how to use that okay and we're gonna have Rick honestly if you just for for just your own edification uh if you use a pipe wrench you'll see how a pipe wrench it locks by by turn if you go the other way it'll just loosen okay so there is a proper way to do that worth knowing I hope okay sorry no no no don't be sorry I've learned a lot of things from Rick so I just to be candid with some of my the stuff that I've taught and if I'm doing it wrong it's probably because I didn't learn it from Rick I I will I will comment Rick comment if he thinks that there's something I left out so have AER twe tweak that a little bit okay sorry y okay so where we at It Came Upon mid Came Upon a Midnight Clear or Came Upon the Midnight Clear which which is it what does it say on yours It Came Upon we'll go with that so my my print is very fine here very small so I'm gonna be kind of leaning forward awkwardly I like this song and uh let's see I think I'll go with one c chord and then you can just so and do we come back to this so do we do piece on throughout or do we do that at the end well it's just like we rehearsed which we didn't uh I have I basically just have three verses and I think you kind of have three verses here you just go boom boom boom I don't think so I think it just goes straight through does it okay well that's fine we'll just go straight through as long as we're good I think so all right so I'm just going to do like a little C and then just just like we didn't practice so it's going to [Music] be Came Upon of Midnight Clear that Glorious song of old from Angels bending near the Earth to touch their hearts of gold peace on the Earth Earth Good Will to men from Heavens all gracious King the world in Sol stillness lay to hear the Angels Sing still through the clo and skies they come with peaceful wings unfur and still their head Heavenly music floats for all the wey world above it sad and lowely plains they bend on hovering wings and ever B sounds the Blessed Angels Sing All Ye crushing Lo whose forms are bending low who to along the climing way with painful steps and slow look now for glad and golden Hours come swiftly on the wing oh rest beside the we and Angel sing I've got something in my throat I'm sorry trying this thing here apologize espe okay all right trying to leave these so that I moving right along I have a dad joke dad joke here but let's see where we at I'm going to give away I'm actually going to give away three book three of my books so I decided because that way we'll give away 10 things to give people more of a chance to to win yeah so um am I doing the book yeah before the dad yeah let's do a book and then we'll actually do a firestone oh nice yes too so my book uh yep and I'll sign it and write it to you is to I already gave that one away Mama Juju Mama Juju 27 96 congratulations you I think I just heard yell M Morana when is the second book get to writing uh I've thought about it I may end up uh doing something I've been toying with a lot of different things um might even self-publish maybe so that's cool yep um and so let's see the fire so Firestone you know again I got to give them credit they've been amazing to work with and if you've watched my videos with them they're not saying they're not putting words in my mouth they let me say God bless you at the end of my videos which I really appreciate um and they they've just been so easy to work with I love them um they flew me out to Nashville they well went to JBLM for that van giveaway and all it was was I'm there for the van giveaway they weren't you know if you watched that video there wasn't I wasn't saying hey buy a Firestone tires really do think that they just want to help support um what we're doing here and so and they very generous with these gift cards too right we got four $500 gift cards pretty much depending on your vehicle should be able to buy uh buy a set of tires for the most part or close close to it and then just have to pay yeah that's quite a discount I mean wow be a lot of help buy tires yeah so they're awesome just great people went out and we visited their they you know Bridgestone Firestone is out in Nashville where they're um headquarters are and so we got to tour the their facility and then we went to TJ you know saw TJ Williams I hope you've seen that video what she amazing wonderful woman and Jose I mean the impact she's had on just one life with Jose and then when I was talking to Jose we both kind of had mutual respect for each other he said he's watched my videos but I've I was inspired by him and then he's you know trying to pass along the Legacy to the rest of those uh young men there so he's just a fine young man but could have gone sideways had TJ not been in his life so pretty cool uh Hey today's my birthday I never had a dad so I'm really grateful for a channel like this thanks means a lot the effort you put through it's honestly worth so much well happy Birthday Jose Jose happy birthday so uh and then where are we at Morgana wish you happy birthday oh a bunch of people that's very cool look at that see I got the co I got the cool people everybody supports everybody you know acknowledged that before but let me acknowledge it again thank you for walking alongside each other too because I just can't I just don't have the bandwidth to necessarily get back to everybody I get emails and um messages and comments and stuff and I I try to because I want like I said before I want you to feel seen in this world you can feel like you're all by yourself at times and it can be lonely and I hope that you feel loved and if you need to feel that way come back my channel and watch a video right I mean that's what we're trying to do something a wholesome channel that anybody and everybody could come in and feel like feel like you you've been loved right so um so Firestone gift card the first one this n deserves a drum oh yeah Carrie Lynn EXO EXO I'm assuming kisses and hugs car Lyn kisses and hugs wow [Applause] congratulations thank you again Firestone go get those bald tires replaced okay so how we doing on time 8:34 K okay so hark the herald angel sing we're gonna do next who is this Harold guy oh I was gonna do a dad joke oh was it anything that that was it kind of a dad joke it was it is kind of a dad joke now where did my dad jokes go they're in your oh boy other file what's that one heart The Herald okay we got to be careful on this one yeah we can't start too high is that one it might be that one we had to start P oh well I it is okay oh sorry okay I use my best one start off it wasn't even mine so what did I'll maybe I'll do two here okay what did the horse say after it tripped oh I'm hoing it that's pretty good I don't know help I've fallen and I can't gidy up [Laughter] oh okay and have you ever tried to eat a clock I don't have time it's very timec consuming time consuming good that's good okay so we are here we're staying along yep we got that and then we'll do another Firestone drawing after this so stay tuned for the next fireone drawing and we're going to sing hearty heral Angel [Music] sing theal Angels Sing glory to the new king peace on Earth and mercy mild God and S recile joyful all ye nations rise join the the Triumph of the Skies with Angelic host Proclaim Christ is born in Bethlehem the Herald Angels Sing glory to the new king ha the heaven Prince of Peace hail the son of righteousness light and to all he BRS with healing in his wings while he lay his glory by born that man no more may die Born to Raise the sons of earth born to give them second birth theal Angels Sing glory to the newborn king are we doing it again okay I don't know yeah we can there was one more I saw three yeah that's the same as and one and a and the Herald Angels Sing glory to the new born King peace on Earth and mercy M God and siners recile joyful all ye nations rise join the trium of the with Angelic host Proclaim Christ is born in Bethlehem theal Angels Sing glory to the newn king one more time hey they didn't get it the first two that was way better than the first time we sang it a couple oh yeah you can't start too kill you yeah yeah we were all scared of that one coming in we were we were a little nervous and so we didn't practice we figured practice I think I think I said this last time I worked with a guy that he said when he was a kid and would sing that song he thought that Harold was the name of the Angel it was Harold the angel bring news yeah the name I'm just now learning this you're scaring [Laughter] me okay so another Firestone so we did that Firestone ready Merry Christmas to all you guys sorry I interrupted that's okay no you're good you're good uh Matt Henderson you won5 one I was hoping that Firestone one yes congratulations Matt yeah congrats very cool so so just so you know know so people that I've uh that we've called that are winners please email me at Dad how DOI gmail.com put giveaway winner in the title that would be good and then I need to know how to get you the prize right if it's a gift card I can just email it to you so if you've emailed me already we're good uh but if it's one of the other prizes we're going to need a physical address to send the stuff to yeah right so make sure you do that okay okie doie [Music] oh Joy to the World and then we're going to do another Rick giveaway and then we're going to do another Firestone giveaway after that so how many verses do you have for Joy to the World I've got I have Joy to the World I've got it if you don't I don't think I have it just Talk Amongst yourselves there's your dad Joe hey all right very good Adam thank you I'll just do this a lot I got we wish you Merry Christmas and the 12 Days of Christmas but I do not have Joy to the [Music] World okay while he's doing that I got another dad joke for you Adam that's aggressive scared him a little bit was like being back home with him little kid my stuff what yeah I did live with you guys that times with Travis uh so why do cows wear Bells this is an oldie cows Bells why do cows wear Bells somebody probably knows this anybody know this come up with it okay you're like me you're stunk see there's Lisha she always comes and comments she's one of the names that I mentioned earlier cows wear Bells um because they cheering this patience up that's good we're what we're cheering somebody up with our singing oh okay she's singing along with us maybe good ask Miss patience yeah singing with you okay nice cheering you up yeah she makes comments a lot too so thank you so that when let's see music so they can Bellow what why do cows wear Bells so they can Bellow so you move out of the way so you move out of the way that I think that's what she meant there because their horns don't work there it is I got it score good job Chris good job good Google searching on that Chris you're you're really fast okay so Joy to the World and you got it in micro writing in micro yeah oh yeah well you don't need it though no I don't but how many verses do you have just two uh one two three four so this is just something I learned uh this is just an aside about Dr of world uh if you know music at all you just go down backwards through the uh major scale to play [Music] the wow wow just learned that recently it's pretty cool huh that is very cool they're pretty easily impressed I got a big wow I don't know wow okay uh okay so here we go Joy to the World the Lord is come let Earth receive her King let every heart prepare him R and heaven and nature sing and heaven and nature sing and heaven and heaven and nature sing Joy to the World the Savior Reigns let men their songs employ while fields and floods rocks Hills and plains repeat the sounding Joy repeat the sounding Joy repeat theing Joy this one okay no more let sins and Sorrows grow your Thorns inest the ground he comes to make his Blessing flow far as the curse is found far as the curse is found far as far as C he rules the world with truth and Grace and makes the Nations Pro the glories of his rightousness and wonders of his love and wonders of his love and wers wonders of his love nice Joy to the World Joy to the World Joy to the World at Christmas time yep y so we got Rick again Rick's drawing I know you're looking forward to this more than the fire you get a lesson out of this one too you might tool you might learn you might um got another dad joke to lead into oh okay what's the other favorite tool of the chiropractor oh of the chiropractor um I don't know the slip to Joint Flyers slip slip joint probably nobody even knows of the slip joint fers is well that's why they come to your channel to learn what a slip joint pliers is so uh a slip joint players you can adjust it to go two different sizes they're they're super handy although you got to be careful you know use a tool properly uh you can cut wire with them you can uh grab stuff that's that's tough to pull out of something but uh using them on nuts and stuff like that use a wrench first last I mean if you got to round it off nut then you maybe clamp on this and they got the serrated Jaws to grip it and what have you so anyway they're a good tool to have yeah I have I have one of those yeah 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a $500 you got like Firestone that's crazy I know yeah they're very generous and they've been they've just been so good to me so uh let's see what else we got here I'll save that Dad joke for later so we got that so we're going to do d we try it we can try christm what 12 days of Christmas are we doing it off memory though no I so I have this so here's the tricky part this always kind of makes it fun I think um we're gonna each take a now it go back and forth no no you're in I can't play this and do that at all are you serious you don't have to play this time are you Ser we're just gonna do it Acappella okay AA okay you don't want accompanyment that's fine you're doing great but we want you to sing yeah yeah okay so we're going to start off so who wants the first one I did that one year and that's horrible in a fair tree because you got to sing it over and over again okay I'll forget okay so you'll do that or do you want to go like I thought it'd be easier in the line yeah so you'll do partrige inent ends up in the line anyway okay partridge in a par tree I'll do two turtle doves you'll do three French hens four calling words should we do Serpentine no well that's you'll never get that oh you're really confusing we Loop in figure eight oh yeah figure eight yeah so am I going to do so if you're doing that I'm doing that you're doing that are we all gonna do five gold rings so I kind of get a do we need to mark it no we f it no it's all right this I'm gonna Mark mine behind the scenes Rob we're letting you in on our practice session thank you for joining us yeah this is just part of process oh but you and I both have okay no bad ideas you know this is just the whole sorry time out the premise of the channel is that you can do anything you set your mind to right if you just look at the end work backwards yeah Rick we'll get through this and getting out of your comfort zone TV or not somebody want to tell a dad joke while I'm doing this you got one I I I'm running out ofor jok uh dogs this is here's a here's a medical joke oh okay hang on let me finish this then dogs uh can't run MRIs but CAT scan ah nice CAT scan oh that's nice I guess I didn't get a laugh I thought it was funny is it better to get a laugh with one of those drok or to get a ah hey I know you can always go to reading the comments Ariana beautiful songs I like singing along or love singing along thank you Ariana thank you for singing along too uh definitely putting me in the Christmas spirit Al thanks for that um Oldtimer I I can relate to you uh this is awesome good for you okay yeah I'm ready okay the challenge is ready I have to tell you that so speaking of that yeah we uh I there's been times where I've been you know been filmed and stuff and uh but the one of the earlier ones I went down for a shoot down in uh down in California and they were getting ready and they said oh and this is the talent I'm like I'm the called they called that [Laughter] before you look behind so oh yeah okay so we're singing We gotta sing this part together right yeah we got to start so okay well let's start okay let's go on the I'm starting at the 12 on the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me a partridge in a pear tree on the second day of Christmas my true love gave to me two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree on the third day of Christmas my true love gave to me three French two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree on the fourth day of Christmas my true love gave to me four calling Birds Three French Hens two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree so far so good yeah we're doing good on the fth day of Christmas my true love gave to me five gold old Rings four calling Birds Three French tens two Turtle does and a partridge in a pair tree day of Christmas my true love gave to me six pie of laying five gold rings four calling Birds Three French h two turtle doves and a partridge in a pear tree on the seven of Christmas my true love gave to me seven 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your support and uh just this is been crazy uh I say that every time but considering where it came from and where it's at now it's just been uh quite the right and grateful for all of you uh I'm grateful for my family too um being joining in here it would be weird for me to just sit here and sing Christmas Girls by myself I think uh but anyway so thank you everybody for joining us we're going to sing We wish you Merry Christmas and wrap things up so I don't have cords you don't need them perfect so are we gonna try to let's go from Top yeah okay we wish you a Merry Christmas we wish you a Merry Christmas we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year good tidings we bring to you and your K We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year BR us figgy pudding bring us figgy pudding bring us figgy pudding and bring it right here good tidings we bring to you and your We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year we won go until we get some until we get get it right here tidings 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[Music] welcome in at elcap we got girls Eon Meadow against Westside a big Friday night matchup you know coming off they played about what would we say a week and a half ago and yes it was a low-scoring game a good defensive showing the Spartans fell by a couple of points um absolutely so it's going to be interesting matchup tonight I know the for Revenge the Spartans have come in with a lot of preparation since in the last couple days we'll see if West has made any adjustments so it should be a good one it will be a good one all right who's looks like we got Grace more taking the jump all right and game begins o it's a little tapped looks like they're G have a redo on that one yeah all right further redo and Westside gets it oh back into Grace Moore over to Ken Marino K not going down back to Grace Moore over to Alli Thompson Thompson to Marino good move on offense Mo's going to take a three and it just hits off the rim Westside with the ball now Spartan's going to drop back look like into a manto man defense right here yes hopefully make good rotations here good help there way to get out to the corner oo good defense good defense o right over into the hands of Thompson but back to west side and a good strong take but right off the back of the rim kicks back out to four good close out by Emma Goslin over to three see what they Doo gon to force her left good defense good help inside unlucky Unlucky One for the Spartans there they were playing pretty good defense way to break the Press getting up the floor quick oh little miscommunication there it's going to be a foul smart play by Emma Goslin to get up the floor quick there little miscommunication but we figured it out let's go into Thompson oh never mind see what kind of offense the Spartans are running Westside in their 131 Marino with a shot just a little just a little off all right they're going to drop back into still their manto man works pretty well for them the first couple times down so hopefully we can keep it up here o good little pass there and good defense by Kenna Marino absolutely Marino looks happy with that one looks like the sparn are going to pack it in here don't want to give up anything inside watch that inside cut good watching those cuts oh no one's there three with a shot and it goes in I think the Spartans got to close out on that a little quicker just a little miscommunication absolutely absolutely sorry that's B more with by more oh that's a tough one that's a tough one it's all right looks like we're going to go on a full court manto man defense let's see what we can do here good defense and smart play by Westside number three just to throw it off Talia Weiss there really had nothing they get it in down over the four and four with a shot and it's good the Terriers with a quick six points hopefully the Spartans can get it going on offense look o good little break there Thompson going down with the ball big block by number 25 but Spartans get it back they get it back over the mo see what she can cook up over to gos good strong take Inside by Emma Goslin right off the front of the rim and it's going to be white ball hopefully the Spartans can create some space inside get something easy in here goes out to marino marino with a good drive shot by Thompson just rims [Music] out looks like the sparn are going to get back into their man again over the four four looks into and it's shot by three and it goes into the hands of [Music] Marino and oh intersection good work by Alli Thompson to get get back to that ball kenn's gonna dribble it around over to Thompson Thompson gonna drive in Thompson with a good pass to goson but right off the hands 22 is going to take it down on a little Breakaway here but Thompson's gting back shot by three and it's [Applause] good and timeout by coach heac I think you know the Spartans have gotten off to a little bit of slow start um their defense hasn't been too bad I think they've been doing good rotating they just been caught on the fast break a little bit I think and I agree they're doing good breaking it but from there looks like they're a little stuck and I think we got to get it going on offense a little bit more a little bit more movement wests side in there classic you know 131 so kind of hard to get Space inside so hopefully can move it around a little bit more and get some more open looks hopefully this timeout will'll give them a little breather as well so they can get back out there and work their magic yeah it is a it is a small roster for East Long Meadow but you know they're pretty fast pretty quick team so they can definitely use that to their advantage I think they got to get up the Floor position get numbers and hopefully make the easy shots absolutely all right should be getting back out here quickly gonna get some chance all right and they're going back out so it's going to be white [Music] inbounding they've been doing pretty well breaking the Press it's just when they get off up on offense I think we just need a little bit more movement all right looks like West the B West Side a little bit of a diamond press but we break it pretty easily yes oh more with the ball was a good take just fumbles and K Marino hustling back love to see that hustle out here that's what we like to see you know those sprinting back leads to the turnover so that was a good play by Ken Marino absolutely back over to Thompson into Marina over to Moore they're breaking that really easily oh good take by Moore little bit of an unlucky call there 25 did had have good position inside but I'm not sure if her feet were set well it's all right Spartans look like we're gonna press hard here oh unfortunate call there yeah looks like he was I think that was good defense by was that Kenna yeah yeah it was seems like she just kind of knocked the go over good defense Here Again by the Spartans lock down defense here she gets by looks up the court to 22 she takes it and it goes in it's all right sparts with the ball again but still I like to see them getting up the floor in transition oh oh I get some subs in here we got Mullen Bryce Stevens and Haru going in and coming off we got Thompson Marino and Moore little bit of switching things up good hand stay tight there good help Inside by Jill Stevens yes good close out by Carolyn shot by 25 and it goes [Applause] in good pass to Haru over to Weiss again white is getting it up the floor very easily we just gota you know work it in on offense foul on MRE I do agree that we are breaking that press very easily and what's that White's third Spartan's third foul I would like to say third yes we're only about halfway through this first quarter and you know Westsides already got 12 points so good defense by white to force a 5sec violation so they'll get it on the side right in front of the Westside bench see if they can get it in to hard you over to molt br oh she takes it in and they call foul good strong take by Molen BR we definitely I think that dribble I think that that drive is working pretty well gotta keep that up over to mbre with a shot just bounces off good work by white to Sprint back slow that pace down now let's see if they can pick up and man again good rotations by white on defense and good defense by Talia Weiss and she just tips it out of bounds but great work inside by Talia good straight up [Music] defense goes into four back to three little bounce pass three takes it kind of a crazy shot and good held defense by white o and block by Jill Stevens Whit with the ball good wh breaks it Weiss gets herself out of that jam very easily that was good work Weiss looking for the pass finds Molton Bray looks like we got Emma goson running the Baseline see if we can find her wh with a shot and it goes in good shot selection by Talia Weiss so they got their first points on the board and gosin just sort of types that out good hustle back because had you not gotten back that could have been an easy layup absolutely good help defense by white oh but another foul is called so that's already four now looks like with still about three minutes left so just a high stack from West Side so probably going to look to get it inside oh they get it outside Goslin seals the ball Stevens going down looks for that nice pass to Weiss Weiss taking it in and good take by Talia just off the Jill with a shot and good Hustle by Jill hopefully white can can close this Gap a little before the end of the first quarter bring it within you know hopefully like six points still two minutes of 30 seconds left on the clock looks like we have a little bit of a stoppage refs are just going to discuss and they decide it's blue ball yeah we also we got three refs tonight which is unusual but oh I didn't even notice that they it has been called pretty tight but good work by Carolyn to get on the floor very good work the girl kind of just rolls over her yeah like I said no I think it the refs have been calling it pretty tight I think both ways so we definitely got to adjust to that a little bit Weiss into Molen BR back to Weiss whce over to mber she's going to take a shot it's just shortle goodle good Hustle by Emma goson though following it out again good defense by white good pressure good high pressure so looks like it's gonna be white ball again Goslin into Molen BR Molen over to Weiss we got Emma goon running the Baseline see if we can find her out to Jill Stevens back to Molen Bry over to Haru and Haru takes it in good shot it's a little bit off good high pressure by Jill Stevens but they get it out looks like Blue's kind of suck right now but they break it that's over the four good close out by Jill Stevens way to slow down the ball for white good defense By Carolyn three with a shot and it's just over the rim good seal by Emma yeah 13 going in for five for blue just about 90 seconds left of the first quarter hopefully the Spartans can get a little bit more going on offense again they break the Westside press very easily very easily good take by Molton BR that's going to be a foul these be our first free throws of the [Music] game so Molen BR has two at the line takes first one it's good oh seems like we got some meowing from their student section but Grace Mullen hits them both it doesn't phaser doesn't phaser and we're pressing and again we have good high pressure but somehow they get out of [Music] it and she just sort of that's going to be a [Music] foul no the refs have been there's been a lot of like tripping I think kind of Fallen but oh and that's Ison meow's fifth foul so she'll have two from the line and not going to go in important for Jill Stevens here to have a good box out looks like she's ready on the line and work correct and rebound by Weiss Weiss going down good box out by the SPs Weiss gets out of a jam Good Help by MRA it's going to be white ball a minute left on the clock over to Weiss Weiss is going to look inside see there over to mol she's gonna take a shot shot by Molen BR just good rebound by Goslin and oh tough shot got some good hustle going on [Applause] here and that's going to go over out of bouns good pressure by the spart fors another turnover yeah you know the spars have been getting back forcing turnovers playing good defense it's just the fast break has can't seem to yeah just can't seem to have one to go in right good pass by Jill Stevens over to mbre M's gonna fight for that it's going to be blue ball and just about half a second difference between shot clock in game clock so we'll see what West Side does here looks like they're going to push the pace got a little Breakaway going on she takes it up and good help defense by Emma Goslin there Stevens with the rebound it's going to be white ball with about 27 seconds let's see what they can do here over to Haru over to gosin Goslin gonna take it down love to see this seemed like it just got tipped as she tried to euro round her looks like the refs were a little unsure what what that one was too but Westside gets it in a little bit easily got to stop ball here good good tip by Molton Bry and good help defense by Talia got about 10 seconds good defense four three two one and that wraps up for the first quarter overall I think there's some some positives for the Spartans they've definitely been breaking that press pretty well I think we got Eve Butler doing some camera work now after mck whor a new recruit up here in the Sands and you know yeah like I said looks like the Spartans they definitely have some positive they're baking that press really well they're they're playing good defense in the half court I think it's just you know it's been tough when Westside has gone out on their fast breaks and then they've had a little bit of trouble uh setting up in there half court offense but I think we have the good looks against Westsides 131 so hopefully we can get a little bit move in against them get some movement inside outside take those outside shots and absolutely I think our biggest strength this game has been all the hustle yes everyone's kind of helping each other out yep definitely hustling back on defense getting those tough tips forcing those tough jump balls so I think we got to keep that up and yeah and first quarter ended with 12 to four so the Spartans look ready to get it back yeah wests Side Up by eight heading into the second quarter so this going to be a big eight minutes of basketball absolutely we got Marino Thompson Molen Bray Haru and Stevenson Stevens is um defended 25 [Music] so once again in a man-to-man defense good helps Side by Thompson and that's going to be they get it out but she steps out of bounds so it's over to White good defense good recovery by the Spartans defense turns to offense so good defense can set up some offense and hopefully get some more points on the board Marina with the ball over to Molton BR she looks inside to Haru the right idea by Grace mol embre just a little bit high once again playing some man-to-man full court good defense by Jill Stevens spart almost forc a 10-second violation there some very good defense we got going on out to 25 again very good hands by Jill Stevens and she's going to run back amazing job and not sure about that call that was some good defense by Jill Stevens I agree really sort of locking that girl down that is a quick little hand off 22 drives but must taking an extra step there Spartans ball once again Westside pressing but Spartans just cook it yeah the Spartans have been able to break that diamond Haru he great shot by Carolyn Haru brings the Spartans within five that's what I like to see and good defense by harder too oh dribble out of the corner look down to 22 good block by Ali Thompson amazing block mbre going down oh she does a little spin move over to marino marino gonna take it in and it's a foul that's what I like to see little bit looks like the energy is picking up I was just gonna say that one block from Thompson kind of gave a little energy boost so hopefully we get some points on the board here absolutely feel in the room over to Haru Haru going up big block Inside by westside's number 25 oo she seems pretty mad with that call good defensive pressure by the Spartans leads to yet another turnover absolutely mentality is everything in this game Stevens with an up fake and then with a turn over to Molen Mullen going to drive it in and it's a foul oh little Stop Drop It Roll Mullen BR hits the deck but she's up she's good hits the deck she's gonna get two shots once again mbery at the foul line and it's and it's good it's good Westside brought a little bit of a student section tonight but doesn't phas The Spar ends absolutely not more in for Stevens Stevens gonna get a quick low break some awesome defense by St just going to say tremendous defense by Stevens inside and once again Mullen Bray makes another foul shot Grace Grace is four for four from the line right yeah oh 13 strong down the court and a turnover great defense looks like the SP looks like the Spartans have turned this game around in a game that was 12 to nothing it's now a one possession game so strong Marino the ball CH dribble down over to Haru oh over to more that's why I like to see good little passing Marino with a shot oh and it banks in the bank is openo and all of a sudden we got a tie game oh and we got a little tumble Rumble lot getting feisty out here got some faces going on we had a lot of lot of action that last play but nice pass into molur over to Thompson Thompson gonna dribble it around over mol mol's going to take a shot just off but good pressure up top oh three is able to dribble out of it 22 taking it [Music] down another foul on Thompson yeah another foul in the Sportland so these refs have definitely been calling it tight for sure for sure and looks like it's G be a timeout for Westside so good strong start to the second quarter by the Spartans absolutely now it's tied 1212 good comeback so we have Weiss Marino Thompson Moore and Goslin in I think it's great to see this energy and I think the Spartans defense has definitely turned into a good offense it starts with those making the turnovers and then you know creating good looks in offense so absolutely and now these shots have been going in the jar is open the lid has been taken off and Canam Marino with the bank with the bank three big shot by her from the top of the key Eve you got to save all those right Spartan's back out [Music] here ball into 25 good defense by Grace Moore W gonna take it down over to Marina I'd like to see white getting up the floor quickly oh boy the ball kind of just rolls down little miscommunication but we figure it out quick passing there by Spartans good movement oo good move by Thompson just I like that little emotion they got going on there and Grace Moore shot just went a little bit off but I don't I don't anticipate that's going to be a breakaway but Reno gets back and tips that out good Hustle by Kenna amazing Hustle but like I was saying on that last play Grace kind of was a little off Target but normally she wouldn't be like that so kind of thinking she got hit or something but you know we play on and go into 25 and they call foul on Weiss seems like her hand just kind of got stuck there yeah and Steven's gonna go back in wi once again compacting the middle smart move by the Spartans don't want to give up anything inside and Good Help by Grace Moore good rebound rebound Stephen's gonna take it down and it gets kicked by West Side player good idea though by Stevens with a bounce pass looking for Kenna Marino almost got through over to marino marino with shot that had a lot of arc on it good rebound by Jill Stevens gets kicked back out good shot by gosin Thompson with a ball another offensive rebound for the Spartans more into gosin over to Stevens Stevens with a shot and one for Jill Stevens looks like they're moving the ball around very quickly which is leading them to get open shots this is definitely a good look for the Spartan what yeah the Spartans now up oh so that wasn't an an one foul on the floor but o quick little absolutely yes great cut by Jill Stevens love to see that happen Jill's gonna Sprint back hands right up Jill's got her no fear there good straight up defense by Emma gos demons with the rebound Thompson over ooh Little Euro but they're going to call a travel we got um alli's mama in the Sands very happy with that one timeout called oh yes it should be because Jill Stevens had um that foul that was called on her jump shot that went to make it 14 to 12 and then she had that great cut underneath right right so they did they figured that out there looks like who do we have a timeout by the Westside coach yeah yeah I want to say West Side so it's definitely been a turnaround for the Spartans hopefully they can keep this up I like the pace they're playing with a little faster than the first half which I think their faster def but actually they've been playing faster on defense but kind of slowing it down on offense which I think has helped them making those good passes yes their passes are leading to very open shots yes they're definitely moving Westside Zone around which is creating good looks I think it's a great turnaround for the Spartans love to see this Revenge so still about four minutes left in the second quarter so this going to be a big four minutes for the Spartans hopefully they can open it up a little bit more uh going into halftime looks like there's some arguing going on between a Westside player and a ref not really sure what's going on here so it is is it going to be Westside ball Westside did call the timeout so I believe it's their ball yes and once again Spartans Fullman pressing I think has worked pretty well for them and now it looks like they're putting Emos and at half court so they don't get be over the top smart decision smart decision cuz they had gotten beat over the top a couple times in the first quarter or not even but still they've been sprinting back so a lot of times that's been all [Music] right so Spartan Sports another turnover good look by Thompson over to Stevens Stevens over to Moore Moore with a dribble and yeah I agree I agree um their shoe came off there was a lot of cont on that play I think but they call Travel Westside gets up the floor 22 with the ball the top kicked back out to 13 13 Going To Dribble Marino with good pressure good help defense by white and that's going to be an and one and Alli Thompson looks like she just bumped her on her way in and they they count the bass which wests side is very Rowdy with that one M BR and for Thompson and Haru going in for Stevens they're going to take a quick little break so 22 at the line with one shot just bounces off falls into the hands of Grace Mullen looks to push the pace [Applause] and another and one tough break for the Spartans there a little bit of a bad pass and tough pass and transition Westside pushes the pace gets up the floor quickly and we're now tied 16 to 16 within the span of 30 seconds looks like three is going to be at the line with one count the basket Stevens back in for Mullen BR shot goes in and now they're up by one it's definitely going to get really intense Goslin taking it down good take and there's no call a lot of contact again but no call looks like 25 is looking to take those char es but yeah she's taken quite a few so far this game and I'm sure she doesn't plan on stopping soon little miscommunication by Westside so it's going to be seems like they're very unhappy with that call but it's going to be Spartans ball and now Westside is full man to man pressing looks like Ken Ken Marina was wide open good bounce pass by Stevens good take by Goslin and they call a travel the sparin are not getting anything here no oh and they once again call a foul on more but it looked like her hands were straight up to me what' they get her with the body must have so now they're up to the line with three minutes to go see yeah two shots 25 just back RS the first one oh the Spartans are really unfortunate to see yeah haven't really gotten any calls inside but you know they're getting called for the pushes on the outside so tough for the Spartans but 25 misses both so Spartans look to get up the floor quickly Kenna Marino over to Goslin gosin with a good take and gets her own rebound yep I could smell that one [Music] coming an awful lot of fouls being called on the Spartans goson unfortunately cannot get anything this puts Westside on the line again so the Spartans already with they had I think they had five fouls in the fourth or in the first quarter and they're already up over five this quarter so a little bit of foul trouble for the Spartans 25 at the line again she's going to miss [Applause] it important for the Spartans to get this rebound here absolutely I think the Spartans going to look at slowing it down again really got to work the ball around on offense good box out by Jill 25 gets it to fall [Applause] White's got to get it up and they do over to Haru and that's going to get intersected by a Westside player tough pass was just wests side got their hand in there at the right time four takes it on the drive har with a rebound Goslin going to take it down for us over to Marino over to Moore Moore's gonna try and take a little step in and Marino with a shot just off and 13 of Westside looks to push the pace passes it out but Jill Stevens is there and we finally get a foul called so it's GNA be five fouls for the Spartans and four they already oh yeah I thought yeah sparts are gonna have the ball so the next foul on West Side sparts will be shooting still two minutes left on the clock so definitely a Rowdy game Stevens with the ball oo Qui quick little crossover right idea to for the bounce pass but just off a shoe of a Westside player more gonna kick it back out to Goslin Goslin over to more more over to Marino this is the passing I like to see and Westside player tips it out so Isa meow will be inbounding with nine seconds left on the shot clock quick little pass into Jill and it's good great pass Inside by Haru once again that's the second pass like that we that we've seen yes good defense o and good block by Moore great block by Grace Moore got to that held position straight up with the SWAT get that out of here good close up by Stevens but before gets it to fall only two points not a three-pointer that's good atast Stevens over to Marino quick little break there Marino taking it in and they call it double dribble I really liked the Spartan's ability to Break um Westsides kind of Diamond press so I think that's definitely a positive going into the second half and finishing out this first quarter or first half mm hopefully we can see them slowing down the ball once they get over though yep and East Long meow force is another turnover there so their ball again great pass by Grace [Applause] Moore oo good little steal by Goslin but looks like she got hit underneath but no call 13 pushes the pace up the floor good close out by Jill forward with the ball kicked back out to 25 Good Help by am defense and they're going to let that one go out of bounds now the shot clock is off just over 32 seconds for the Spartans once again SPS with no trouble there Marina with a shot just goes over Moore with a shot and she gets fouled good strong take by Grace Moore inside they haven't been getting a lot of calls inside but I like the Spartans are still working it inside looking for those shots looking for those easy shots on the on the glass 20 seconds left on the shot never mind more with a shot and it's good so more gets one more that was so bad that was [Laughter] awful see if she can tie it up just off Westside has about 16 seconds now looks like they're going to try and slow down the ball get the last shot good defense good defensive pressure good help good defense and great defense by the Spartans to close out the first half absolutely so that wraps up the first half 20 to 19 so Westsides leading by one love to see it all right we'll be back all right we're back in this second half yeah we got Eve Butler on the mic now I know I've been waiting all all half for this all right all right Mar over to Thompson onepoint game o nice good cut and one let's go wa to start that off for us here absolutely all right love to see that it seems like the energy is still yep over from the last half that's good Runo up to the line oh it just bounces off but Gosa with a rebound good rebound over to Weiss we more and and oh just right off the rim all right Westside with the ball four gonna take it down white in the man defense way to close that out foran take it in and she makes it uh now Westside is not pressing this half I think they learned from last time yep for sure Weiss in the corner Weiss over to Thompson Thompson back to Weiss see if we can get some movement here brought around to the other side good cut by Ken Marina but just gets tipped off Emma hustling see what she quick little break away by Westside Westside now up by three Thompson taking down the ball looks it to the corner to marino marino with a shot Marino just off Westside gets the rebound and takes down Talia putting Weiss putting the pressure on yeah okay good take by 25 nothing more could really do on that one just need just needed some help side on that Thompson taking it down little crossover over to Moore Moore swings it around to thank you Marina with a shot shot and it's good it's good swishes nicely put us back to a two-point game close game love games like these Marina with Hy pressure on the floor Dives for it somebody's got to watch 22 yep there you go quick little grab by Moore way to drop for that Goslin going down with the ball over to Marino let's go shot from the corner another one oh just off o and a foul Gosling up to the line very intense game you can tie it up here yeah what stop sniffling shot it's good it's now a onepoint game shot is good despite Westsides pretty loud student section over there for an away game nothing can phas them nope oh they're gonna call definitely a lot of pressure on that yeah I would argue for a jump ball on that but to yeah got 24 going in I believe we just played her last week in our JB [Music] game quick break away good pressure by white and it is ours Thompson going to take a down again Westside in a 131 over quick pass to weest with a little alyo motion oh good Hustle by Goslin the Spartans are gonna um press once again in their manto man y 22 with the ball takes it down we've seen that their press has been pretty successful first half yes and it's going to be a travel some good defense by the Spartans here for [Music] sure just had to adjust good pass to Thompson she takes that very easily some good passing once again keep up this press three taking it down way to stop that that drive right there yeah very good Thompson on the ball oh pretty loose ball handling here see if white can get some oh [Laughter] oh it's going to be Spartan's ball West sides still not pressing here about halfway through the third sparts are going to take it down to more looks for that Skip it's a good pass shot as good good very good looks here Spartans are up by four now yeah and it seems like west side is getting call timeout way to get this back especially after the first quarter of that Gap there absolutely White's been working really hard for it and see how this momentum carries through well said well said thank you very good this half once again um White's doing a very good job pressuring on defense and they're doing a good job moving the ball on offense like Emerson was saying earlier about how it starts with the defense I really think so too um can have good offense without any defense agreed agreed [Music] what all right looks like they're going to get back out here wa with high pressure some good defense we got going in on here really locked down yep see if there's a double there you go there we go quick little pick off well let's go easy layup for Thompson spart showing how it's done yep for sure really good slowing down the offensive west side too on [Music] defense they're in call foul on Goslin I love this high pressure that we've seen from the Spartans so far three up to the line two shots shot is good bringing them to a five-point [Music] difference good rebound by Goslin gosin kicks out to Thompson Thompson's gonna take it down at a fast pace over to Marino over to Moore got tal open down low amazing pass shot is good beautiful see I'm saying the Spartans have had some really good movement with the ball kind of pig piled on there yeah down for that loose [Music] ball it's going to be Westside ball and they call foul on Marino not really didn't quite catch that one me neither really good face guarding by Marino oh and it seems like something was wrong with the clock yeah had to reset it believe good face guarding yep and they call a foul again this time on West Side yeah yeah so now we have two fouls for each team three minutes left in the third quarter three for West Side now oh yeah quick little pass into Thompson that's a good strong take there really love that the SPs are looking into the middle for these layups yep and what's open down low as well Thompson up to the line two shots [Music] and she makes it again with eong Meadow making these foul shots despite all the Ruckus yep and just barely misses yep westside's going to have a quick little Breakaway but it's slowed down and they call a foul on Thompson that's a way to get back though especially yep stopping that easy layup seen that a lot so far in the third especially Stephen's gonna go in for Thompson seems like maybe she has quite a few fowls on her very unfortunate seeing a lot of hustle from Thompson this game which is amazing to see and it really is y and three makes it so it's going to be white ball and they're possibly back nope they're not back to pressing seems like 13 has tight defense on Marina [Music] though wh going to take it into the hoop really good shoulder in yep and Breakaway for Westside but it's out of bounds it's a got hustle from Stevens and W Weiss excuse me looks like spars are going to call out a play goson gonna take it in amazing Drive smarts are going to get back in their manto man defense wh good job forcing her left got some passing going on from West Side Little handoffs again good help we're seeing in the defense here calling off switches and it gets tipped off from White so it's gonna be Westside got Subs going in Molton Bray and Haru for more and Goslin they're going to take a quick little break and Stevens with the rebound gonna look down to Haru har with a jump stop over to Weiss Weiss going down the and it's going to be foul yep foul on 25 and the west side is up to five fouls now so white will be shooting with a minute and 30 seconds left was with a shot and just sort of bounces right up shot is good some good shooting percentage on these foul [Music] shots gets tipped out by Marina yeah really good pressure what call him M the sandwich chiple quite jealous of that one West side's goingon to inbound it over to four double that maybe amazing defense and that gets called for 10 seconds really good job with the pressing today yes the Spartans defense has been phenomenal mhm everyone seems to be on the same page Marino wide open at the corner and shot is just off by a little bit toal [Music] with oh boy um Butler unable to control [Laughter] herself foul on St and the Spartans are at four fouls with just a minute left gets inbound 25 25 with a hand off to three three takes it up hits off the side of the backboard it's gonna be Spartan's ball Spartan's up by eight with a minute left to go and play being called out over to Jill Stevens open at top drives in Haru goes up that's a good look down low Amazing by Haru yes she's really good on the blocks har with a little tap yep gets it over to Stevens ooh Stevens amazing love to see it amazing job by the Spartans now it is a 12-point game just about 20 seconds left really well done by the Spartans and Molen BR is gonna be with a seal over to Stevens Stevens out to Maro again with the down low looks Whit out to marino marino over Haru to mbre and that's going sh shot is open just off by a little bit White's going to go up and it's going to stay sparten ball really good moment momentum here in the last couple minutes absolutely the energy is high and the sh with the buzzer [Applause] beater way to close out the third here wow if that doesn't get you fired up then I don't know what does wow amazing all right now we're at a 15-point game get mber on thato line and she is making it y all day every [Music] day and I'm staying for the fourth quarter yes sir B's doing an amazing job on the mic thank you Saina K me just got to remember to say the last names instead of the first name of the players he you're doing an amazing job love it first names I'll say a couple first names you know a couple you know it happens this sometimes exactly Marino looks very happy right now yep really locked in and dial down here SPS are going to keep it locked in mhm I think their manto man pressing has been a really important help in this game in getting um their lead yes they're high pressure [Music] yep all right into more oh more tries to look inside but just gets tapped back and they're going to call over back that's good hustle though especially on plays where you just you know mess up and getting back is really important and they call foul on molten Bray and and so she I think uh some defense warnings here yeah not really quite sure what was happening there yeah the refs were really focused on um what was right in front of them there but I it really catch that now yeah didn't really see anything that looked unable to happen but yeah that's a way to phas it I was looking for the word but I could not quite find that one good look inside they're gonna call travel and white again in the full court press and way to way to start very good play by Mo some good on the line it's going to be Westside ball yep once again they're going to stay in that man toand man she going to look into 25 looks like they doubled 13 Going Down that help there was good we got to close that out foul on Jill Stevens spars already have two fouls going into the fourth quarter with only 30 seconds in yeah yeah h Bar's going to compact the middle for with the shot shot is off just by a little MRE gonna take it [Music] down over the Stevens off see oh right to Molten BR up gets fouled nice work she's going be up to the line for two shots and shot is good wa goes in for Stevens seems like Stevens and Thompson just have a little bit of foul trouble shot just off just kind of boun is around the rim there yeah good defense by Weiss and it's a foul foul I thought it would be called a double dribble there but I agree seemed like our hands were right up yeah so that gives us three a lot of foul calling today yes 25 gonna take it in um and that is a clean block by Hardo yeah amazing block SK out to four four and the shot is [Applause] good there's now a 14-point difference and Westside seems to be pressing again y blocked by four tough tough passes in the air but see how this defense [Music] goes and that's going to be an and one another foul so the Spartans now up to four fouls and Westside one still six minutes to go this could be some Troublesome yeah Thompson gonna go in for Weiss I'm wondering how much um all our players are up to with fouls it's got to be up there probably for sure yeah Haru gets the ball over to Thompson Thompson looks for the middle pass Marino trying to get the ball there [Music] good defense by Haru does not allow her to go anywhere down the Baseline rebound by Thompson and they call foul on 22 six minutes left in the fourth we have a 12-point game way to break that press by the Spartans going to pull up for a three and it's a good shot good hustle here from Thompson and Marino on that loose ball they ready to crash into the chairs yep oh and they're going to call foul on that one so that leads them to five fouls she should be up to the line for two shots with five minute just over five minutes here get a little [Laughter] dicey seems like there's some arguing going on here a little bit of confusion oh that was not English everyone kind of just standing their cluess it's little awkward on the court here 13 good going to be up to the line though seems like they figured it out two shots silence is deafening and she makes [Applause] it an 11o difference now yep and once again makes it both of them off the backboard to Marino gets tipped off by wets side player the passes are getting kind of kind of loose on the floor [Music] now over to four four with the shot it's just off the rim but with a rebound good good defense there by 12 by 12 by G Mo number [Laughter] [Music] 12 not sure to hear Emerson over here but she's getting quite Rowdy for sure another on the floor Goslin and Haru and seems like it's gonna get a little bit choppy now yeah for sure the last five minutes remaining um maybe some sweat on the floor that they're wiping off yeah sounds a little squeaky don't want anyone slipping to Grace Moore quick pass to Haru over to Marino Maro Marino to gos gos you have oh good passing going look good looks to the middle nice little Take Ah good take good take it's a good take oh wow they're going to call a foul on Grace Moore oh um uh uh so that's gonna lead them up to the line seems like coach isn't quite happy with that call yeah that's good defense overall nothing you could really do her feet were planted that one might have been debatable a little bit we have some arguing going on between ref and Coach Gary Consulting him one more shot for number three and she makes it trying to meow from from right side over there not quite sure West why Westside is um taunting their own players but good help there Thompson gonna dribble it around looks into Haru in the middle oh oh there's a little r Around the Rosie slow little follow a feels like this is slow motion feel like it was uh 10 minutes ago when I said it was five minutes and now we have 4:30 it's an 11-point game yep yeah it's nine Now Eve they're gonna be up to the line [Music] again and it bounces off the rim one more shot just keep on hearing meowing it's a new one I feel like I haven't heard that for much so muray and timeout timeout for wife Spartans seems like he's probably going to Tom um lay off on defense a little bit since they are calling so hard by coach ISAC Emerson taking over my mic think he's going to craft something up so we can get some points here y welcome back Emerson yep yep there a JB game yet no all right perfect can't wait to hear that one right yeah JV won today yep very good game from JV uh high in Connected felt really connected y yep absolutely seems like it's kind of similar to this game with the high intensity yep good to see this from the Spartans especially yep all right so we're gonna have Thompson Marino Haru Moore and Goslin in about four minutes left still this is where it gets intense here absolutely these minutes are going to be crucial yep so let's hope he can keep it locked down and cook it and close the lid all right sparts with the ball it's gonna go over to Moore more gonna dribble down good take into Thompson Just a Little by hard Haro doing really good on those rebounds and it's going to be Spartan ball under the hoop inbounded by Thompson going to call play more flashes middle um not quite sure how that was call Y very interesting but Wesley's gonna take it down good help side but they call a foul on that one [Music] um um seems like I have a common theme going on here with colum bowels um it's very um interesting here calling I don't know I feel like should be less calls here in the end yeah what's the point different now seven yeah seven now six Sixpoint game here with seems like Wes side kind of turned it around with all these foul calls yep definitely taking advantage of that Moore is subbed by I want to say Weiss yeah it was Weiss um so I'm not really sure how we're doing indiv visually as fouls but it's definitely can't be too good nope Thompson with a shot it's a good shot and it's going to be sparting ball seems like Westside didn't like that call no despite the fact that they've been getting every single other one yep so it's not even a yeah he even got the coach getting into it here definitely getting a little Rowdy yep har with the ball kicked out to Weiss Westside with high intensity now W takes it in should be a and should be a travel I'm I'm going to have to say that you know I think she was a little off balance already so um yep we have Hosmer out here in the stands had some I think he was here during JV too so we'll get those back soon love the support um yeah all right so 25 is gonna be up to the line once again I mean these foul shots I see uh Moore with a couple scratch marks on her legs and I'm not really sure if that's if that seems like the cat them is just like coming yeah sign of a foul I mean potentially potentially maybe not for the refs though it's chill it's chill yeah it's all right one more shot here and the shot is off really kind of wind it up for that one uh Jill a good save by Stevens over to Goslin oh it's getting rowdy time out great hustle play by Jillian Stevens right there a little in the Sands but it's a five-point difference now y Gary kind of taking over right now MH I think we all just need to kind of chill out and really this is becoming a nailbiter for sure definitely good game though good game [Music] y hopefully this timeout gives them a minute to recuperate is that a word [Music] down yeah so we have some information news Moore and Weiss have fou out of the game not good to hear leaving one sub Grace mol Grace M excuse me Grace Moore sorry all right so it is more it is more in wi um was definitely not good just got to stay composed here to what was working making that extra past the end uh AG for sure and it's really gonna get tough because thanon there is one sub here in the bench it's definitely going to be a tire some three minutes Y and we also got some information that is very close and that's going to be foul so har is going to be up to the line good to see mhm special yeah for us give me a sub for Westside oh yeah yep we got another she fouled out number four yeah really high fouling game yeah Haru now moving on to her second boul shot hopefully she can make this one in and she can here we go see get the momentum here all right Westside calling out of play see if we can really lock down this defense we've been having go and Al Thompson sorry takes it down and oh just right off just misses and they call a foul on Goslin not sure how many she has here I think it is getting quite close yep know another meow yeah really reoccurring here in gym we got brelli looking at how many fouls Goslin has only two only two just under three minutes here another meow har with the ball over to Thompson looks like she's going to slow it down a little bit Y which is good smart idea yep hear a lot of parents saying that to slow down yes it's a good take good take by Haru at the line again once again she's really amazing on those blocks and then the paint always can count on her at the low block there for sure foul shots can be really beneficial for slowing the game down and also obviously points here yeah definitely giving them a little break little breather shot is good now bringing us up to a seven-point [Music] lead and just kind of bounces [Music] around 13 dribbling it down quick pass to 22 22 taking it in Good Help by Marino good little pick up there court and Bs amazing like to see here for sure not afraid of a little contact nope good to see the Spartans getting back to you know that defense to offense like to see it yep and we also like to see both teams are at the five foul penalty so it's also really helpful a lot of foul shots this game interesting to see yep one more shot for Thompson shot is good good despite all that commotion yeah let's go big they're going to say in a manto man good defense by Marino gets swung around good switch call shot by three he's off and there's a foul called on 22 good board by Stevens absolutely so she's going to be up to the line for two shots yep Spartans slowly making their lead bigger and bigger again they send everyone back to the paint really just focusing on defense with these last two minutes very smart call shot the shot Bank is open Bank is open bringing us up to a nine-point lead got it yeah you see it's not easy you know what I had to do some quick math good shot that's a good shot by Stevens right they're going to compact it back 25 with the ball good defense by Goslin looks like our um our Duke SAA it does it does familiar play Marino in good take good take by Marino yep she thought she was in a highlight reel and she is and she is and she is it's a good take we're at an 11-point game with a minute and 30 let's see what we got here oo oh got some arms getting a little bit of viess number 13 on West Side can't phas them though Marina with a smile yeah Marino just laughing it off another thing I love about the Spartans nothing can phase them no exactly working really good under high pressure all game all game what all game all game all game just over a minute five seconds left on the shot clock very good defense here let go defense shot by three and re um boarded by Stevens back to Marino and again Marino is really cooking it right now number 22 facing off but Marino comes out stronger no shade good defense she's getting low in a squat we're at a 13-point game 40 seconds left Westside seems to be getting a little frantic here kind of thrown up there yep going be Westside ball under the hoop 30 seconds left to go shot goes up it's a quick quick move play by west side and Emerson jinxed it it's a foul they're up to the line but all is good because it is a 13-point game I'm assuming maybe Stevens found out yep so we have Stevens Moore and W yeah all fouled out yeah a lot of fouls this game yeah shot for 55 okay that one was a really high pitched one 13 with a steel just Chucks it up there and shot is good about 15 seconds left getting hyped but I think the Spartans have it in the bag I think so too Thompson gonna take it down over to Haru she's going to slow it down smart play four three two one and Spartans win 52 to 42 solid game by the Spartans it's good to see good high energy the Revenge was there y way to come back after that tough loss last week but we are back with the 10-point win by the Spartans and that wraps it up till next game thank you
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well thank you very much good evening glad and good to be back again with uh some good news and steady progress towards the rail Transit District development phase one um I just thought i' take an opportunity just to update the board on a couple of developments uh before we hand it over to the folks that are looking for the changes to the Covenant which was signed back in 2000 I think the last time I was here I believe I shared with the board the letter we got from Mass Works uh again committing to the $6 million Grant um I've had a a follow-up conversation with them with Mr Gainer as the land owner also campelli Thorndike on the line as well uh to brief massw works on the progress uh that everybody has made just recently actually last week the board of Selectmen approved and signed uh a very comprehensive development agreement with Mr Gainer um and that is now fully fully executed um m is just working out a few details on one of the exhibits related to some alternate funding Arrangements um that we're working through uh so that's obviously great uh great progress Mass Works uh again on the telephone call committed that um based on the the steady and significant progress all parties have made on this particular project um that there's a flexibility with that 30 November date that was put in the uh the original letter so the grant is is still secure and and um still supportive of this overall project um next week I expect that we will bring before the board of Selectmen uh the two remaining documents that they need to approve one being the uh development agreement uh between the town and Campanelli Thorndike um and then that alternate funding agreement that I just mentioned uh which is one of the exhibits to those development agreements uh and then lastly which is the reason for being here tonight is the fact that you know the Covenant that was signed back in 2000 uh some 15 years ago uh there were some changes that um the parties wanted to make to the Covenant to support uh this particular project um and based on the original Covenant requires a joint approval by the board of Selectmen in the planning board um to approve any changes to the actual Covenant so what you should have in your packets are the actual Covenant from 2000 as well as uh the Covenant amendments that are being uh proposed for Change and give the board an opportunity uh to ask the uh the applicant some questions uh or attorney Meer myself if necessary uh related to that uh given the timeline um and I know that um Mr Ginger from U or Ginger from Camp La Thorn can talk a little bit about their timetable um but we were hopeful that you know as we go through this tonight and ask some questions that um we would like to try to tenably schedule a a joint meeting next Thursday all five of the board of selectman members are available uh we're just waiting to hear on how many of the the planning board members could be available for that joint meeting meeting um to kind of review the final um you know Covenant Amendment and be prepared to discuss and and perhaps vote on that uh so that we can continue to move forward with um their submission to the to the planning board for their uh site plan approval modification so that's the uh the update from from our end and um so at this point attorney me I don't know if you have anything you want to add that I may have missed in that brief introduction but no I I think it's probably good to hear from the app the owner and the uh developer to understand why the changes are being requested in the Covenant first and then we can go from there okay any questions for me before I thank you very much so maybe what I'll start to do is walk through them and then because there are going to be questions and then perhaps um both uh Mr ER and Mr Gainer can address them so um I think that the the the first big um change that you notice in the Covenant here is the mix between one bedroom and two bedroom units um so the Covenant um excuse me the Covenant originally requires a 7030 split and they're looking for a 6535 split on one bedrooms versus two bedrooms so perhaps um Mr Geer can discuss that um but before we delve into that I'd like I'd just like to ask a more basic question if I could just to get all of us up to speed um so we've heard the term Covenant we've heard the term development agreement and um we're at least I'm wondering if we could explain what exactly those documents are and what purpose they serve when the um when the uh Mr Gainer and the talent originally worked on this proposal pre-2000 um given the size of the parcel that it was and what could potentially happen over there and what the desires the town were and what was attractive to Mr Gainer um there was an agreement to develop the area in a certain way that had certain impacts on the town but protected it the town in other in other ways and so in order to do that it was a essentially a three-step process one was that the town entered into a covenant with Mr Gainer that they agreed that only certain things could happen on the land regardless of what the zoning says regardless of any other law this is what could happen on the land and nothing else and then layered on top of that was a development agreement excuse me was the zoning which codified some of the parameters about how you could use certain portions of the rail transit district and it created the rail transit district and you have all amended the rail transit district and you've seen what that zoning article is so the next part was how do you implement the Covenant and that would be through the zoning article and that occurred then then The Next Step was to have a developer come in and and develop the first phase of the rail transit district and that was multif family housing and that was proposed and approved by JPI at the time and those were multif family for rent units um and then the downturn hit JPI went out of business um mostly in Massachusetts and um as you've heard from Mr Gainer on many occasion uh nothing happened for a long time because of the downturn in the economy given the change of circumstances uh and and in a both from the town's perspective Mr gain's perspective and what is marketable now and what is not marketable changes needed to occur with the Covenant because there were some base rules about what could happen on the property changes needed to occur with a development agreement because the original developer was gone now and a development agreement protect Texs the town and the developer in what's expected by both parties aside from what zoning might require or in addition to what the Covenant might require so there's a development agreement with uh Mr Gainer now who owns the rest who owns the property and uh there's development agreement excuse me with campelli Thorndike who um has a purchase the sale agreement for a portion of the property and that goes to developing their property and so under uh the Covenant and the uh that exists if the Covenant is to be amended the planning board and the board of Selectmen need to jointly approve that by a super majority vote um and that's the only way the Covenant can be amended otherwise the board of Selectmen have the power within the town to enter into the development agreement with the developer Andor the landowner on any in any instance so that's kind of the basis of where we are and so in order to essentially bring the Covenant up to spe speed where the current market is and what is what the community is looking at and we're going to talk initially about number of bedrooms essentially and affordable versus market rate units um for instance the town has taken a much different stand lately on affordability and so because of the requirements to meet the subsidized housing inventory if you build market rate units you want to try to keep up as much as possible with the affordable unit requirements as well so um that's one of the first things that gets change so as I mentioned earlier the uh number of two bedroom units versus one bedroom unit is controlled by the Covenant for the first parcel of land and uh that was originally set at 70% one bedroom 30% two bedroom oh excuse me 60% one bedroom 40% two bedroom 40% one bedroom room and now that they want to change that so I'll let them explain what that change is Thank you Lisa uh Lloyd Ginger Thorndike development um the 6535 change from the 640 um which we talked about at some length with the selectman uh last week um really uh is driven by a change in in the in the market that we're seeing and specifically uh most of the data out there is pretty clear that where where you see a a shift in the profile of the renter is between the two and the three-bedroom the profile of the renter for a one-bedroom apartment and a two-bedroom apartment um is almost indistinguishable and from our perspective the difference is that as I think it's intuitive it doesn't cost that much more to add that second bedroom the difference between a one-bedroom apartment and a two-bedroom apartment it still has a kitchen it still has the bathrooms it's it's the the incremental cost of going from a one-bedroom to a two-bedroom is relatively small and as rents have climbed in the western suburbs and you see potential renters looking at rents of $1,900 $22,000 for a one-bedroom and for another couple hundred bucks a month being able to get that extra room for the study or the guest room or whatever the case may be what we're seeing more and more is that same renter profile whether it's a young couple or a professional person or whatever the case may be saying I I'll take the two-bedroom because they want that extra space so this shift is really intended more to ensure that we are being Market responsive than anything else we're all I think on the same page we want this to be a successful project and if we're delivering a product to the market that's inconsistent with what the renter's expectations are that's very challenging it's also frankly helpful for us on our Prof fora um because the same metric applies in Reverse in other words it's not that much more expensive to add that second bedroom but the and the return that we get on it is a little bit better so all in all it was part of how we were able to reduce the apartment count from the original JPI number of 500 down to 3 98 but the most important reason for doing this is to be responsive to what the renter is expecting in the marketplace today Mr Ginger since you're still up there the other change of regarding the essentially the configuration of the units has to do with the definition of study so in the underlying Covenant there was a very specific definition of what a study is part of that was to be clear that you couldn't take a study and turn it into a bedroom um and there there's a constructibility issue um with the design of um the proposed um apartments and so they're um changing the definition of study to include a definition called Flex space which I'll let Mr Geer um explain but that no unit can have both a flex base and a study the the flex base notion is really um One Step removed even from a study in in terms of its functionality and its appropriateness as a bedroom this is not a bedroom you know in the definition of a study for example um you could have a window on the outside wall which would uh make the study potentially more habitable our Flex spaces are really little nooks that are um that occur as a result of the overall design of the building and they in every case occur when you enter the apartment at its front door it's a space to the right or the left up against the party wall where the corrier is so typically it's a 7 by 8 or 7 by10 space um without a window wide opening into it where someone might put a desk or have a little computer Nook or use it for storage it's inappropriate as a bedroom um but it's a very valuable space to someone who's looking for another another opportunity for them to set up um a place as I said for typically for a desk so um this is a from our perspective a very specific request relative to the design of the buildings that we're advancing um and so we were asked the question is there ever a situation in which you would have both a flex space and a study and the answer is no so we have in some situations a study that um in general meets the definition that exists right now although we've asked for a very modest change in the size of the opening from 6 feet to 5T and again again um this is a design specific request um and of course when we come before the board with the plans we'll roll everything out and you'll see everything in great detail um and uh the flex Bas then if if we have a flex Bas we don't have a study if we have a study we don't have a flex Bas uh the next change as I mentioned earlier briefly was the um requirement that uh there be 10% affordable units um built um within each of the residential um areas of the district uh that was not a requirement before and the the lengthy inclusion in here meets the Shi guidelines so it's sure that it will be able to count towards uh the town's subsidized housing inventory to help you not lose ground as far as your 10% is concerned so that's the affordable housing uh piece that's in here um the uh next uh clarification is that the um there was originally a golf course that was proposed and now there is not and perhaps Mr Gainer can address that yeah that one's fairly simple in in uh 2000 they were building golf courses everywhere and uh we thought that it would be kind of neat to put a small municipal course nine-hole course uh and either deed over to the town or we we it was never really resolved just exactly how it would have it would be uh deed but it wouldn't it would probably become a public uh Municipal uh things have changed significantly since then uh there's closing golf courses versus building them uh it's not viable to any developer and therefore we're not going to build it but we did it there was a provision put into the Covenant um which stated that in the event that the gulf course is not built that the developer has to lose 40 units of the housing uh combined on Lots one and two originally it was 190 units of housing between the apartments and the town homes and it's been reduced to 650 units of housing that's the reason for that um any questions okay okay please still um okay thanks Bob y um the next change is um it's not really a change it's clarification because the next provision in the Covenant actually included language about the golf course and we kept the language in and restated it about the requirement to have a buffer and what they call area F and so um when you go back and review all of this you there are plans that go with this and you'll see the area f it protects uh a residential area from the rest of the district um the next change is the uh size of the building Footprints and um there is a change on that because there was a requirement that each building could not be greater than 18,000 square feet and now the change is that in fact the average not be bigger than 18,000 Square F feet and perhaps uh Mr Geisinger can address that yeah as I understand that this was uh somewhat of a shrink wrapped uh provision that related to the original Footprints of the JPI buildings um we have reduced the number of buildings um so that there are now in our planned 398 Apartments there are nine buildings and one of and that allows us of course to have more open space more green space and and uh reduce the footprint of the overall development um to make that work um two of the buildings of two of the nine buildings have a slightly larger footprint they essentially add an apartment on either side of the center line so the remaining buildings are more in the 16,000 ft range um the look of the buildings Remains the Same um um and that was the reason for this request so on average the buildings will be less than 18,000 there'll be two buildings that are have an extra apartment on either side of the central entrance um otherwise everything Remains the Same um the next change as indicated in here has to do with what can be counted as open space and what can't be counted as open space and again that was a rewrite after the omission of the golf course so that's what that's relevant to um and then uh the next change um has to do with um having uh Mr Gainer as the property owner have a timeline within which he has to come in with a plan or at least the concept for the next sections of the RTD so that the planning board sees that there's some work being done on this and it's moving along um so that's the next section that was added to it um paragraph 8 um changes section 10 uh regarding the um requirement that the property owner deed to the town by gift a parcel of land um necessary for or for the town to build a municipal building a public safety building or otherwise uh and that's a requirement that's in there and there's been a location for that in the district and the developer has agreed to gift the town this about four and a half to five acre parcel of land uh for a municipal building and I think Mr Moi you want to do something yeah I just wanted to uh to read in the uh 420 continuation of 4 66 Chestnut Street that continuation um will take place after the RTD discussion concludes comfortable with that thank you thank you um I don't know Tony did you want to say anything about the um Municipal Building or the gift of the land okay uh and then SEC the omission of section 11 18 and 22 were cleanups um that were because of the passage of time were no longer necessary in the Covenant one had to do with um I don't have the underlying Covenant in front of me but one had to do with the um the purchase of a a van for the senior center which is no longer necessary um and uh there were a couple of other items like that that were in the Covenant that actually were by the passage of time no longer necessary so those were omitted I think that um when Mr skav gave the planning board these packages he also provided the original Covenant to you so you actually will be able to see and compare both of the documents um and as always I you can ask Matt questions or you can send me questions if you have any between now and then regarding the Covenant itself and its impacts or anything of that nature if you'd like so if I can just comment just briefly on just since Lisa didn't have the uh the Covenant in front on on number 11 if you see that in there was a requirement uh payable to the town $11,000 per unit for Public Safety that um is actually been moved over and is existing in the camp andell Thorndike agreement so the town will be receiving $398,000 from camp and heli Thorndike u based on that paragraph for Public Safety use uh for the town uh paragraph 18 just had to do with a grant as uh attorney me mentioned for the mini buus that's no longer required and um and then number 22 um was related to um area e which is again no longer no longer required so those were the only three omissions from the original Covenant so the so the objective here ultimately we're looking at a vote um a week from this evening and so this is an opportunity for the planning board to understand the changes in the Covenant understand what will be deliberated upon and voted upon so that they're ready uh next Thursday correct that's we like right now uh all five Selectmen have affirmed that they're available next Thursday night for a 7 o'clock joint meeting with the planning board if we have a sufficient number of planning board members so um you know timing what it is uh you know all these things are are necessary to be able to have camp El thorite prepared to submit their site plan modific a application to the town so um this is the opportunity to an opportunity to review the changes and and to ask questions and be comfortable with uh with that or if we need to do any additional research for the planning board on any of these items we certainly would would do that between now and then if if it's necessary okay thank you Tony um any question questions how how many votes do you need next Thursday super majority of both boards at least four then well um yeah no that's a super majority would be seven of 10 oh it's combined yes combined oh interesting okay got it that is I don't think I've ever seen that before it that's actually a requirement in the coven very clearly laid out in the C can can each of you make it next Thursday uh what time was it 7 o' um I I'll try I'm on baby watch but I should be able to make it I was the first one to respond with the dates by the way yeah you were you were I can make it and I couldn't do next week let me see what time you doing what time is it open 7 7 o'clock on Thursday they going to jump right into it Preston can make it so if you can't make it we'll have four you can I'm going to try so you got 50/50 right here um you do it right at seven then I can just be late for the other thing same thing all right so if it's right at seven we can jump right into it seven will jump right into it okay do you want me to so so tonight you're looking for thoughts reactions in general that we're looking for tonight do you want to go down here anybody else want I H go go we go sure all right um I like this by the way it's the first time I've seen like a nice layout of uh the mitigations benefit type Mass Works owner developer combin due date that kind of thing I really like that so I appreciate that um I don't know who did that but this is your work right um the updated Covenant as a whole just kind of run through a few things to get my gut reaction area by area I was studying this I think maybe a week or change ago than I had to just get reoriented um the flex space the shift to two beds I would agree with them 100% the market has shifted towards two beds versus one bed um personally I know there's this uh bias or disdain towards more than two beds a lot of people I mean I get it they they assume it's going to be a lot of kids in overflow of the schools um and I think obviously from the planning department planning board and planning department we have to consider those things um my personal bias is why are we so discriminatory against families we should be welcoming families into the town um but I understand the way that uh the Covenant is trying to achieve that is through either the leases or the deeds and I would maybe it'd be nice to hear uh Town council's opinion on the more effective way to do that but by the way this is worded I guess it's leaving it to determination it's going to be tough once it goes into leases and that may push May shift some pressure onto the actual owner or whoever's going to be managing this afterwards but um I guess I can throw that out there quickly is this is it pretty common or do you find one is more eff in the other or is this kind of saying both well I I I'm not sure that I understand the question so in in section one we talk about there's one little section here that we're modifying it says all leases and or deeds shall specify the number of bedrooms associated with such unit and shall specify that any Flex space or study shall not be permitted to be used for bedroom purposes so obviously yeah so it's going to be it it's actually going to be it'll be a it's a part of the special permit right it's going to be a part of the site plan review one of the things um that you'll see in the development agreement so the same language in the development agreement that the board of Selectmen are signing also contain the limitation on bedrooms and in those development agreements campelli and Thor have already agreed that a condition in the site plan approval modification will include the development agreement so will be enforced through a zoning process through the development agreement in addition it'll be in the leases so all the leases will say how the space can be used um and it's on the Covenant so those are the those are kind of the layers of how it will be enforced okay and I'm just putting that out there for the public as in general I've kind of stated that I think we should be welcoming families to town but uh it is something people ask um the I like the proportional releases of affordability so people and they've stated that in this Covenant it's it's restated whereas they can't just put in 40 Market unit market rate units and then hey we're going to give you one affordable it is it is proportionate to so they've got they even numbered you got to get up up to 10 you got to at least do one affordable so I'm glad we kept that in there um the golf course thing I think probably would have tanked so I I I see why you took it um Hon's got to deal with this right now even though I like playing there I don't think it would work in this location so that's again my opinion there's not really enough space um and couple other things towards the end um the footprint piece as far as that goes I think I I think uh I don't know how it made the original Covenant I'm assuming people don't like to see large buildings but there's a lot of efficiencies to large buildings as you guys probably hear there's less um impervious type surface roofs pavement that kind of thing it does give them better opportunity to open up for Green Space so um I tend to mentally be is obviously you have more massing towards one building but um it's not not as though they went higher so therefore I think this is probably a smart thing for the town overall to have a slightly larger building um and section eight um the piece of property so the wording of this is interesting because I I would prefer obviously this may be the way it's worded but I would prefer that the town get to decide afterwards should we choose to develop on this piece of land or sell it if we choose that there's a better piece of property more ideal for the fire and police and the way you worded it when you were talking was or otherwise and which I actually like um and but it says here um the granter shall convey as a gift to the grantee a parcel of 4 and a half to 5 Acres which is suitable for the town to construct a combined fire and police Public Safety facility or other Municipal facility as the town determines it in its sole discretion so it's kind of a it's allowing us to construct something but it isn't allowing us the freedom as a town to sell it if we'd have a better piece of property so well it says other Municipal purposes not facility maybe I don't know maybe you have a draft that before before that was changed um it just says or is the town or is the town determined so I'm just uh thinking a little bit down the road I wouldn't want to be situation where we're now fighting with a few residents that don't want us to sell it I'd rather give flexibility to the town to decide Town management to decide if we do have a better location and it and it's in a more ideal centralized location which obviously this is a pretty good location but it would be nice to be able to turn that and then obviously build somewhere else and do nothing with this should the town choose so just just curious and doesn't sound like the developer cares um so just a thought in general I saw the piece of property too and how you have the fire department potentially positioned right on NBTA Road and the police a little further back so you might determine it's not ideal to have the police further back and and we got to do something weird with the Wetland to get back there and and and they're giving additional acreage beyond that if we have to deal with Wetlands which makes total sense but so was part of my question I actually don't know where it's located the 5 acres and so it's about 1,200 ft in on the the MBT access road and and the picture you have was just an early design thing that the desire of the town is to build a combined facility um and so I think the wording in there is suitable for the town to actually build a combined fire police Public Safety facility or other Municipal purpose if we decide not to build a public safety facility there it could be left as just open space could put a park there I mean you know I guess there's you know a number of things that the town could do to it um I say short of of selling it but um so wouldn't necessarily have to construct a building that we would be able to use it for other purposes but the design of at least for Public Safety was to have enough property available in order to build a combined facility that's why you'll see some language and they're related to Wetlands there are some Wetlands around there and should uh through the you know Conservation Commission process um you know the town be allowed to to fill some wetlands and replicate those that Mr gainers agreed to give us additional proper property necessary for replication of wetlands again you know not withstanding any you know decision on the from the conservation Comm Commission on that so we've tried to provide a number of different ways for us to be have flexible use of that of that property and not U you know pigeon hole for just one you know one use short of sale but why wouldn't you want to be able to sell it um well I mean I think we really wanted to use it for something so I think during the negotiation process we really didn't uh you know you know have that uh discussion in depth about you know whether the town could eventually sell it or not I suppose we could talk to Mr Gainer about that but it didn't actually come up in our discussions okay I'm just say if this is the time period where you're just about to go to to select and get this locked in now I'm rather I'd rather give the town Max flexibility otherwise we could legitimately be looking at a nonsense I'm not going to say useless but a dead piece of property that has the potential to be $500,000 million just you know to the town and of course we'll use it for good purposes so right trying to help you yeah thanks so I don't know it's up to you guys I guess you're GNA have to draft something if they decide to go in that direction Tony talk to the board so okay and that was pretty much it for me did you have any comments good I'm good Fel um so we talked about the location of the land um so it's it's been determined you said 1,200 feet and on the right approxim approximately right and then um for the affordable units I would may be split 26 units to two bedroom and and 14 to one bedroom or is I saw something here that mentioned three bedrooms for the affordable units is that something in the Shi bylaw or no there's no three there's no three bedrooms at all so on the bottom of yeah I didn't know um the bottom of this page here with the chart talking about Mike yeah the three three bedroom units shall be developed simult mously and continuously with PR development of the one and two bedroom units where next page oh something else maybe it's one more page in not seeing a little chart at the top of your page so right there oh look at that no this needs to be changed there are no three bedroom units no there's been a million pairs of eyes on this and nobody's got that mic so that's good there I I will revise that there are no three-bedroom units okay and so will the split I assume it's 40 units right you got to round up and yeah everything has to be proportional right so it'll be proportional to what you're building so 2614 I think it that's the new split or something like that it's proportional and it's prated as we move through the project okay does that that applies to all 690 units in theel velopment or 650 now I should say 650 10% applies to it all so and that just keeps us on on par it doesn't certainly right and again this language is also repeated as you see in the drafts that you have in both development agreements um as far as you you mentioned the the mitigating funds have moved to campelli and thorn right what what that was $1,000 per unit right um for all 650 units as well no the 300 just for phase one right and that was for services rendered like that are going to be impacted by the town I assume is that what that it's for public let me answer that I can add some context to that it was specifically related to the fact that the town did not have a fire truck a hook and ladder truck that would that would uh service four-story buildings and because these would could be four storing on on the low side uh they put that in to purchase a hooking ladder Tru that was the that was the original purpose of the thing so that was so it applies really to lot one because there will no not be any other buildings that'll be four story only L have that truck now huh we have a truck now that can do that yeah they did do we have a do we have a fireman that can use the truck I don't know Tony what else what else do we need um so I know you have the straft we're not going to go through it but in the development agreement with Kelly and Thorn dij is paragraph 8 um and it talks about the, per unit mitigation for Public Safety Public Safety um also in the original agreement there was and and I I did catch a little bit of the board of selecting meeting but not all of it but I know there was um some discussion around uh Trails right and then there's something in here that talks about future development of a bike and walking path and connections to High Street I saw it in the in the original Covenant so the that has not changed in the Covenant so that's why you don't see it in the amendment yep that hasn't changed but then in the uh we made a revision in the development agreement regarding the access to High Street for Trails um and I watched while you're trying to find that I did watch a little bit of that discussion and I I thought it was just I guess a a little unclear as to what kind of trails will be left or what kind of access and the ownership of it and and maybe it was purposely left that way but I just um I didn't really understand it and then when I I also received something from Joel today kind of outlining some of the standards around Trail building and and keeping it up uh to the same standards as the rest of the The Greenway so I just wanted to does language need to be in there that says it'll be maintained to the same standard as the rest of the greenway right is that essentially covered or is it kind of up to the landowner to maintain the trail as they see fit so in the development agreement with the um with the landowner in paragraph five and you have that document it talks about the future development plan to be in Conformity with the zoning Provisions um of the RTD shall depict white bike and walking paths connections to the downtown and Facilities connections with the upper Charles rail trail committee work um and that talks about subsequent site planning approval with the planning board um there's a couple of other places that we have the trail uh all public uh access bike and walking paths which are part of the parcels being developed shall complete prior be complete prior to the issuance of certificate of occupancy for any structure a part of those Parcels so there's a deadline to enforce when the bike and walking paths have to be complete and you as the planning board of course are going to be approving the site plans right so they have to come in in conformance with this and they have to show where the bike and walking paths are throughout the throughout the district as it gets developed that would that be the time to I guess say how wide or the maintenance schedule of a trail yeah would be at that time that's exactly right it would part of site plan approval and that will be proposed by the um applicant or the developer as the case may be but there are a couple of places within the development agreement that deal with the the trails and they'll certainly remain open to the public and there's nothing right so Mr Moi it Mr scavi is correct this is the change this is the discussion you heard from the board of selectman meeting uh that declaring agrees that no access or erress shall be permitted to Heist Street and Lorraine Drive except for emergency access or eress and just so you know that's taken that is something in the original Covenant that's not changing as required by the town notwithstanding connections to biking and or walking trails determined by the town to be in the best interest um and is contemplated under Section Five the agreement which is what I just read to you um the developer agrees that 50 feet of a portion of the RTD AB budding Residential Properties in Frontage on high and baln circle shall remain undisturbed um or shall be land escaped in accordance with the plan approved by the planning board originally again that protection is also in the Covenant so I think that's it the other I guess one more question would be um in regards to the tra traffic pattern in and out of the rail transit district and I know I've heard other people mention it as well you know someday we'd have to to connect to either Pleasant or high Street somewhere um is any of that covered in the Covenant or the agreement or would it just be excluded from phase one and be added to Future phases I guess I'm so I not going to address the connections exactly but when the original site plan was approved um there was a traffic study done by VHB I think is that who the traffic study did vaness like the predecessor yeah the predecessor to VHB and some of those improvements were implemented and some weren't and the ones that weren't um are required to be implemented by uh Campell Thorndike as part of their development agreement and in addition they will be having a traffic report for you uh their agreement also requires them to uh do a study of the olive Franklin one other Street provide money for and provide money to do the study for the that intersection that has proven to be somewhat of a problem so um you will be seeing all that traffic work and I don't know about the later connections but of course as each part of the development comes in you have control over that site plan review and part of that site plan review is traffic so you'll be able to see all of that yeah my my concern is that the site plan reviews will come in one at a time if if we don't understand the layout of the property prior we may miss our opportunity to appropriately connect to another Corridor right and that is why we ask as part of the uh developers the owner development agreement that he present an overall plan to the board within a certain period of time kind of a concept I had mentioned that earlier um I'm just trying to find where that is Lisa can I uh can I address that because I I I understand the question uh and the reason for the question uh we looked at connecting from the MBTA parking lot through there's an access there there's an emergency access uh to the bridge just prior to the bridge to get out to Pleasant Street and then to Oak Street Etc rather than going all the way around through downtown uh that was uh we we gave up that because we had a lot of opposition from the people on High Street who were concerned that people would use that to go out onto High Street and then go out High Street to the further down 135 so there's there's reasons for some of this and uh even though we're trying to make some of these changes uh we we can't we have to be sensitive to the fact that this that this Covenant was put in place actually as part of the bylaw not not really after it I mean um before it the bylaw was presented and then the Covenant was put in place uh to ensure people that certain things in the bylaw would be uh would would be complied with by the developer the future developers of the site so we made so so that was was a provision that was put in there uh to U appease uh the people on High Street as was the buffer that Lisa talked about along Apple Ridge that was a negotiation with them to give a un uh touch buffer that would separate them from any housing and that we wouldn't go out onto Lorraine Drive nor would we go out onto Balin Circle so those those have you know uh historical context reasons for being there uh personally it's not it's not a problem for for me as as owner of the entire site I have no problem whatsoever I think it would be good uh Tony and I talked somewhat about it and there could be be a a you know provision that you can't make a left turn there and can only go right and over the bridge and out to Pleasant Street which I think would be a good thing uh so you know but clearly if we're going to have traffic going out and then going the other way going south on uh High Street uh that could or could not be problematic not not as far as I'm concerned but people might have a problem with that so if that helps you at all that's where that came from um but to your long range planning issue um so it is in the Covenant that you will be approving in um paragraph 7 um that it's that it will be amended to say that within six months of the execution of this amendment the grantor shall commence and diligently pursue the planning of the remainder of the RTD within one year the grantor shall provide the planning board a plan which will set forth a concept of the remaining layout and uses in the RTD including timing for implementation of same subject to limitations of the Covenant in this amendment so it does put a requirement that show you a l an overall concept plan which will be your time to start to consider that so so not not being a lawyer um the word subject to limitations to the Covenant make me think we should maybe identify a spot that could potentially be the connection in the Covenant now right before we see that plan should we no the limitation of the Covenant would be so for example to what Mr Gainer just said you you couldn't you couldn't use the Covenant says you can't use um you can't have an excess out an exit out of High Street into Baldwin Circle you can't do that so that means that when you're doing your planning work you can't say to him you have to go that way because the Covenant doesn't allow it so that's subject to those limitations so if there's anything else that aren't Limited in the Covenant you can absolutely consider okay I so I understand that so I'm I guess my question is are we considering other exits than the circle or at High Street right is there other spots that we can identify on the front end that may well there's not a plan put forward right I mean there's not a plan put forward there's a piece of land there right there's no there's no overall plan I'm just not comfortable we're going to end up with something that's suitable address so I I think one thing that's important so the Covenant can be changed as many times as the board of selectman and the planning board wish to do so so I think what attorney me's trying to get at is when uh Mr gaina provides the plan and there's a similar requirement to come in I think quarterly to the board of Selectmen uh to develop this this future development plan and I think there's probably interest in you know another exit of the RTD out into the the you know Pleasant Street area and so as that moves forward and a plan gets put forward to potentially do that if it looks like that is a a viable thing for the town and and the community decides that's a good idea the the planning board and the selectman certainly can go back and amend the COV again to adjust those current limitations that are in there so that you know there is never an opportunity loss you can go back as many times as is deemed fit for the town to go back and adjust the Covenant it's just in this particular situation on phase one um it wasn't a requirement there limitations are there but I think in the future for the rest of the RTD I think those discussions are very appropriate um but we also need to take into you know consideration the larger community in that discussion and how that may take shape as you know the the land owner puts forth future plans uh for the the remainder of the of the rail Transit District so okay thank you and and I agree it's part of a larger discussion I just didn't know if we needed Protections in there but if we can revisit it after then that's certainly an acceptable answer I just I mean the landscape of 135 has Chang changed we all know that there's there's different traffic patterns been 15 years ago and uh so the the landowner the town and the board the board selectman and the planning board can all agree to change the Covenant at any time my questions anything else from any the members of the planning board at this time you um Trails for you got anything next so we'll for next Thursday so we're going to schedule for next Thursday it's so um BOS is set up for 7 o'clock right all right so then um we'll aim for Thursday at sub um if we start on the dot I think we can do it can we um what would would it help if we started at 6:30 I me it would yes yeah can you make it at 6:30 I I should be Al that be yep 6:30 works I do I do have a question I think just for Tony before we leave or or for the applicant I guess and it's it's um around discussion around the rail Transit District obviously there's a lot of interest from the community I didn't know if we had any uh forums planned to kind of outline you know that it's what it is or if you know I think it' be a good idea to get in front of people again and give them a chance to to hear more about it and learn more about it because it's certainly you know the Talk of the Town right now yeah we can we can talk to that I we haven't put anything particular I think it would probably go a long way with letting people understand what what's back on the table and what's going on with the whole parcel of land as a whole thank you guys continue discuss yes right to read the time again ready to see the applicants here for 466 Chestnut we're going to continue the uh public hearing on the senior residential commun and special permit um sorry for keeping you guys a little bit longer than anticipated um are they picturers that need to probably be on the camera you may want to ask the cameraman over there where should they set them up under the TV yeah right on top of that on top of that table so the um the peer reviewer um PSC recently provided um the planning board and the applicant with the first iteration to the peer review um which was supplied late last week um we have our onewe policy but the applicant um has been very ambitious and they and they'd like to move forward um and dig into a little bit little bit of it tonight um they'd like to hit on some of the highlights um and review it with you guys um so we'll open it up to the applicant um before that um John you missed the uh last meeting so could you just State whether or not you've seen the tape and signed the affidavit I have I have watched the tape made a bunch of notes and I have filled out an affidavit and got it over than that thank you no problem photometric engineering haven't done anything this is pay back we C you guys yeah that's fine and I I feel I don't mind being vation oh my God I've seen them all twice three times way too much I walking the other day it's like somebody's going on a date I'm like do you really get to watch this ready yes good evening Mr chairman members of the board fellow citizens of the town of Ashland for the record my name is Jerry Efron I represent pck Development Corporation doing business as the green company were the applicant for a SRC special permit um I wanted tonight to bring you up to date on events since the last meeting and go over a few other things our decision to come before you after seeing only the peer review report on Friday has nothing to do with being ambitious or impatient it has everything to do with trying to get some input from the board to guide us uh together through this process um since since the last meeting I wanted to go over briefly some events I then want to discuss a few sections myself of the peer review report and then I will turn it over to Mr C Garis and we have our engineer here for questions as well I then want to discuss some issues relative to where we see going from here open items scheduling and the like um we did have a meeting with the Conservation Commission since we last convened uh that meeting revealed no substance issues that will require the applicant to relocate any of the ways or the infrastructure laid out on the site plan which is good which means that we can go forward to supplely discuss all of the items and issues that result from our play our layout our location of units and everything else without concern that there's going to be any drastic need to move any roads homes drainage facilities there we had received according to the records of the Town only one additional comment of piece of material since our last filing that was a a letter from a neighbor that deals with some issues relating to the entrance way on Chestnut Street Mr calligaris will uh respond and and relate to those um we determined during the course of uh some technical review in response to the peer review report that through inadvertence um we had uh filed in our Scenic Road permit which is part of this Consolidated public hearing only to um get permission for the minimal alterations on Elliot Street we inadvertently omitted to deal with the minimal alterations on Chestnut Street as a result we need to file that application and we need to join it with this hearing uh prepar atory to filing that application that the guts of which are rather simple we need unfortunately to do some survey work out in the field it'll take about 7 to 10 days to complete that based on the notice period um what would mean that we need to get that in and have it published before we reconvene and we will be looking for um scheduling for the next meeting so that we will be able to have notice given that that hearing can take place and then be combined with the remainder of this hearing so that the board can have all the information it needs to make the judgments it will be asked to be made at the end of the proceeding um as Nat indicated um we did get the peer review report um we were afforded an immediate meeting which we very much appreciated with Nat and Town Council um which occurred on Tuesday um that was an incredibly productive meeting we literally went through each line item one by one um disc discussed the impact uh and came away with an overall feeling that uh there were no insurmountable that were presented by the peerreview report um that is that is as often the case the report correctly identified uh some omissions which will be able to be cured effectively raised some issues which were able to be discussed and which can be responded to effectively and probably set forth the need to augment the original waiver list um to particularize some items um which for which there will most likely not be a lot of dispute but which might properly um deal with waivers um with respect to the peer review they were putting aside the order and I I guess we thought the peer review was written pretty well flowed pretty easily and was actually a very easyto read document which we think is helpful to the process it really identified a couple of major areas the first being the overall compliance with the SRC bylaw and uh the requirements for open space and yield which I'll speak about um then then also some things with respect to the effect of some of the product being in the co district and also with and what what role the subdivision rules and regulations will have I'm going to speak about those three things in general and then Mr caligaris will speak to some additional specifics as well as discussing the matter of that letter that I spoke about um initially the peer the peerreview report in the beginning the first really you know one to eight items uh in part uh talked about the overall use of the project um determined of course that it was proper for an SRC um since the gentleman who wrote it was not here at town meeting he did not know that the town meeting had approved the use of the SRC which takes care of an item that he specified as to whether or not such use was permitted in the co District um he then went through some various uh questions as to the applicability of certain items in the co District um which I believe there'll be a concurrence of judgment um do not apply because we are this product does not involve a commercial development within the co District it involves a senior residential Community a residential use so to to a certain extent some of the things he called out like a site alteration special permit and a particular setback requirement with respect to buffering um and some reasons for connecting they do not apply to this particular project the residential SRC project uh of great importance um the um he reviewed the various layout with respect to the configuration of the property and looked at the various dimensional requirements set forth in the SRC district and in doing so he used those to make a determination of what methodology should be used to deal with the appropriate yield the maximum number of units that could be put on the property the two overriding policies in the SRC District at least in my judgment are the yield and also to preserve the open space in a significant way and he found that uh according to the methodology that there could be a maximum of 126 SRC units on the parcel giving giving full account to the the dimensional requirements the methodology the requirement of open space and the requirement to set aside wetland and as you all know we're only proposing 93 units we're well within the um permitted amount of units which was a a very good thing um the last item I wanted to talk about a little bit is the uh subdivision rules and regulations the the his the history of the three SRC permits that have been given um makes it clear that the SR that the uh subdivision rules and regulations apply in certain areas um particularly in the construction end in certain cases but don't apply in others these of course are private roadways private sidewalks private infrastructure no Town maintenance of anything so to the extent certain specifications are written for subdivisions and will include projects which are uh going to be taken over by the public those regulations do not apply and it's the same thing for certain of the dimensional requirements so in discussing the matter with the plan and Town Council um we're going to respond to the peer review uh to the board rather in a manner that will make clear that to the extent any overall waiver is required um just simply because of the disconnect between the two areas we'd be looking for one but in particular for those items which traditionally have been the subject of waivers and the traditional subdivision review where necessary we will make a specified waiver list we submitted I believe five at the time that that will probably grow but it will will not be growing by a significantly large number um with respect to the process um we believe we're going to be able to get this back to the uh planner within a week to 10 days it'll be augmented with some plan revisions uh some additional supplemental sheets for certain areas including the clubhouse which you're going to hear something about tonight um and you'll you'll also be getting some revisions to certain items of the text these should be able to go back to the peer reviewer uh for his review and response um in an efficient manner and a timely manner and it is our hope that we can receive tonight perhaps any input that the board may have although we know that you also have had to review this in a very very expedited way and you're certainly not foreclosed from that review at all ever until the close of the hearing in this case but we hope to take whatever guidance into put it into our responses so that we can get these things back and the town can then receed uh additional advice and consultation from its technical consultant so that when we reconvene we'll have made hopefully whatever modifications are necessary and we'll be ready for uh some judgments to be made um so with that um with your permission I'd like to turn it over to Mr caligaris to respond to that matter about the entrance ways um and also to discuss some peer review items and of course we're all available for questions thank you thank you thank you Jerry so um as Jerry mentioned what we thought would be helpful um what I'd like to do is to go over the uh the letter that we received uh that the board received um it is consistent I think with the the issue that I identified at the last meeting uh which had been identified to us uh at one of our neighborhood meetings before we filed and that has to do with the concern of uh the primary entry being in the location of the um existing entry uh on the property off of Chesnut Street which is right in this area over here um what I had told you at the last meeting um was that when we had heard of that issue we uh we tried to be in this whole process there are so many there are things we've tried to be as responsive as we can and there are certain things that we can certain things that that we couldn't but what uh what we did there is we tried to slide that entry um uh further to the north uh which is vertical up on the plan um in order to provide more uh space to the South um the gentleman who wrote it I believe it Liv in this house right here and it provides us more space to landscape to the right of our entry which will allow us to essentially preserve the area from the you can see a stone wall out there at the entry to his side of it which which is very very helpful um and so that entry we from day one uh we always thought that that entry was logical because that's been the entry to the property forever um in terms of the use uh as identified on the traffic report or the traffic report from the uh from the VHB engineer um the use that an SRC Community has is much less on a per home basis than say single family homes in fact the easiest way I think about it is that the 93 SRC homes here produce the same traffic as the 36 or so single family homes that one could get on a traditional subdivision on that property um the additional thing is that the characteristics are such that they're not quite as much in and out at the same time as single family homes which is which is helpful for the dispersion of of traffic you know across the the length of the day um the in terms of safety aspect uh that's one of the things that was addressed by the engineer in the traffic report and they found that the site in both directions and things were fine uh they didn't feel that the amount of volume that we're adding uh really puts any kind of stress on that road um and they did you know they did traffic counts they did current traffic counts and they followed the standards that are typical with with those kinds of reports um in terms of some of the items identified in the letter um that deal with you know speed on the road and uh sort of what's Happening across the street it's hard for for us to to Really deal with any of that um I will tell you that you know it's there's always a quick reaction in terms of thinking about the numbers of homes but it really you just have to see some of the communities they don't really produce a lot of traffic it just doesn't seem like it and I know Sudbury on one of the communities we did about 12 years ago they had done something for another community that was applied and they were it was underneath the traffic counts that we had given when they actually went and did their study so um so we we're very comfortable with with the location of the drive uh with the safety aspects of it um and but the fact that it seems to be more logical for it to be there where it has always been and I guess the only other thing that I would add is certainly while that property was being used for the town hall I can assure you the traffic was far in excess of anything that we're producing in terms of traffic in and out with whether it's employees visit visiting all that kind of stuff now that goes back a few years and I'm just sort of trying to trying to keep in perspective the fact that it is commercially zoned and yes it has been vacant but that's the kind of dynamic you get if there was something commercial there so I'm not sure what else I can add to that um yeah I'm not really sure what else I can add to that if if that's if you want I can start to move through the some of the items we were hoping to get input on from the uh the peer review there pay attention um certainly we take some public discussion now if you have a certain comment to the traffic pretty simple my name is Tom I live at 47 the that email there's a possibility of 186 CS being in that development okay which isn't a big deal but in the morning these people have to work okay I don't care if it's a 55 or older they're $500,000 homes and they have to work okay that being said where the entrance is you got a left and right there's no way you can't put that entrance onto Elli street without a problem that gives you five choices left and right you go right you go left and right on Chestnut you go right you go left and right on the prospect or continue straight on the Elliott I have four pictures here I don't know if you have them I sent them before I really can't hold them up and show them but like to give it to you to be helpful for you yeah no no it's um I really know what they are so let me explain okay if you look at this there's our house there's the entrance okay I really need you guys to see this because I don't want you to have these but it's only 60 ft away okay this entrance shouldn't be on Chestnut Street I'm the wife for here in town you how many fatalities we've had on this road you how many bad accents we've had on this road now we have the soccer field we have the bot field there's a lot of cars right there at one time when I first moved into this house 13 years ago we had three ft of dirt right there in front of the house now there's practically 20 ft of dirt in front of that house because everybody that misses hel Street turns around right there and it's created a turn around right there which again is right near the entrance of this project I know it may be financially we taken away from homes or whatever by creating an entrance exit onto Elliot Street but it's for the safety you know it really is guys I'm asking you I'm not asking progress I'm asking to guide it because it really isn't a good idea for chest Street to have an entrance with possibility of 186 cards so I just want you to think about it again it's not that hard to change the road up to Elliot really is guys will keep this think about it thank you for your time thank you yeah I think um continue finishing and then we'll uh we'll take any more public discussion okay at the end all right okay so um in some of the items that we'll talk about relate to um I know we haven't submitted it but just giving you an idea of where we're going with some things so um I think since I have this plan up uh one of the items that the peer review reviewer identified had to do with the plantings on the perimeter buffer so there were kind of two issues there one had to do with uh stuff that was preserved and the very simple answer that we'll be giving there is that we have a limit of disturbance line around this entire perimeter and so essentially what's happening is everything on the outboard side of that line that's not Disturbed so it's all saved everything on the inboard side has to be recreated I mean it's one of the tradeoffs one has when we're trying to preserve this much bulk open space I mean there are tradeoffs we have to make the only exception that we would make to disturbing something in that that uh that buffer area that's indicated and all of it is 30 ft or more it's it's it's more than what's required under the bylaw would be to the extent if you have like a something that's dangerous a tree that might be leaning into the a developed area in which case we will we will use the landscape architect to indicate that that's a danger and if we had to deal with it in some way or manner so that has to do with the sort of the stuff that's preserved and and and uh and not preserved in terms of the uh the buffer and I I sort of understand this and and we approached it in a manner where we highlighted on our plans all the areas where we would go back we you know once the clearing happened we would see what's there and we would supplement the underst story to Kickstart it normally what happens with the underst story is once it's exposed to light everything starts growing to that light so it starts to it starts to fill in Fairly fairly well um but typically what we like to do is to supplement it uh recognizing that that puts an ambiguity into the into the process what what I'm going to do and what we'll resubmit is we'll come back with uh some sort of a uh a list with uh you know the types of plants and quantities that we'd be thinking about for the different areas and uh we will also um I was asked recently when we do that because somebody said you do it at the end of the project and I no no way we do it as soon as we can so we we like to plant spring or fall um and we like to plant it as soon as we can so it has as much time to sort of get going um and so with each phase we would be dealing with the uh the perimeter buffer in that phase so if with phase one Kur could you put up uh the phase one plan there so as an example just stay near there because I might need some help on something so as an example the perimeter buffer that's involved in this area here this there's really not going to be nothing much needed there but here and here uh we would do all that as part of phase one and so what I will do on the the plane coming back is rather than treat it the way we did we'll treat it with more an indication of um of plant material and some quantities so at least you you know that that those quantities will be planted there um so that has to do with sort of perimeter buffer the preservation and sort of the uh the planting type stuff um um the second thing on phasing is we there will be an adjustment to the phasing claim that deals with one of the items the um the peer review raised and we actually had already dealt with it with the fire department um but we just hadn't reflected on the plans yet and that has to do with phase one everything is fine when we get to phase two we end up with a fairly lengthy Dead End Road before phase three kicks in so what we're going to be doing when as part of phase two is we're going to rough cut a gravel road out to this point here so it will give the fire department a second way to get in if something happens um and it will also provide a second means of of access to the site during during the construction process so that will be reflected on somehow on the next version of the uh of the phasing plan um in terms of Entry signage K can you uh um the other thing that was pointed out was um in the bylaw there's there's supposed to be no through traffic and I think it it it sort of stems from some problems in Prior communities or something but essentially here there there is no through traffic I mean you can't get through because there's no way to get through uh all that we have here is an emergency eress is Chained off so um what we were thinking if if the board feels that a sign is needed is that if somebody comes in what I'm trying to do is avoid sort of signage clutter at the entry so if somebody comes in they can make their way they can loop around so you know they come in they're just going to end up finding their way out the only place will be the road that comes down in this area so so we could put a sign here that says not no through traffic or dead end or something no exit whatever uh and I think that that would meet the uh the technical parts of the bylaw I think in we already meet it in spirit because you can't go through you just can't drive through so that was what our thought process was if you guys feel the sign is needed that's really up to you we're certainly happy to do it we think that the logical place would be down uh it would be down on this area down here uh Kurt put up the just flip to the second so in terms of signage um this is this is where we're headed uh at the entry sign it's uh says the lanterns at Warren Woods uh you can see the lantern theme playing itself out this sign is 3x3 so it's within the limits uh provided by the bylaw and this is uh if you go back to the Landscaping plan CP which is the very first one uh as you may recall if you look at the entry um sketch here that sign on both sides of the entry there's sort of a a a column a stone stone wall type column which dies into the natural stone walls a stone wall that angles back off the angles into the entry and then another column so that sign would hang off of that uh half of that post uh internal to the site uh is really just a sign at each of the neighborhood uh entries that basically says um 2 through 12 um Warren Way which happens to be the the name we're looking at for this first road here even on the left and we've reviewed that with both the building inspector and the fire department to make sure that they're comfortable with how we've numbered things and how we're treating it and they're very comfortable with it um and then there'll be some signs hanging off a light post at the different Street Point points to show street names and that kind of thing so we'll have uh we'll be be able to show the entry sign as we submit it next in terms of open space um since our last meeting there have been two things that I believe have happened yeah I know they've happened so uh on one level I believe the Conservation Commission voted unanimously that if offered the land these two bulk open space first of all we're talking about these two bulk open space Parcels here the field as well as this area to the uh to the to the east I guess um and so the the Conservation Commission voted to accept it if offered and the board of Selectmen voted unanimously to accept it if offered so there are details that have to be worked out with all that in terms of the logistics and the timing and all that which is fine we're happy to do it however one of the changes though that we're going to make on the next set of plans is we're going to break down this open space area are to break it down with sort of the equivalent of anr lot around the house so it'll become open space A1 open space A2 because I believe that there there will be a way that uh those Parcels could be conveyed at different points in time I know for sure that uh you know we haven't got into the details of it but I'm sure the town will will want to make sure that that drainage basin is all complete and everything is done before uh the lane gets conveyed conversely the house could happen right away so the most logical thing that I could think of to accommodate that and it doesn't it can go all at one time doesn't matter to us uh would be to just break that open space parcel down into an A and A B and uh so you'll you'll see that and the a will be the effectively equal to uh what would be essentially an anr uh configuration for the for the house we conform to zoning it will conform to zoning yeah um there was a comment about handicap access to open space and a suggestion that we add a handicap spot um in this area here there's some parking spots there there also an is an ACC there's a ramp down here that allows ramp it's it's grass but it allows you to get down to to service the Basin so we we're happy to do that and that will provide um the sort of technical handicap access to uh this open space parcel along Chestnut and Elliott and uh there's the plan is to have a field mode path passes its way through here and then ultimately connects over to Warren wood so it will not only allow access to that but it will allow a connection to waren Woods to happen as well um sidewalks so actually let me deal let me deal with sidewalk let me deal with the clubhouse first um in terms of the clubhouse Kurt just flip to the next plan there yeah um all right so just to give you an idea of location this is that first K can you hold up the site plan for a second just independently of that if you don't mind just so I can show okay so the clubhouse is located right at this first intersection when you come in and what I've said in the beginning was that was really a marker for where it was I knew the footprint wouldn't be any bigger so we don't have any lck coverage issues and stuff so this is a further development of the clubhouse where we are right now that you'll see coming in so this is that intersection coming in from the entry this is that first right-and turn F and Crossing happens to be the the road name that we're uh that we're looking to do and you'll see the the uh site plan of the clubhouse in this area with the walkway systems that would tie to the parking on either side back to a handicap ramp on this side of the clubhouse um CT the full board this in the very last one there where we with the clubhouse right now is we're still working on just put it vertical we're still working on some elevational issues with it but the floor plan is pretty much settled down um so essentially you have an L-shaped this is the front of it right here uh we're working on this this uh the massing of this building a little bit but there's several things to point out one is uh the use of an sort of an L-shaped porch to kind of bring some outdoor space to the to the area there a kitchen a couple baths a um uh what is that one back that's a storage area back here because again this will be on a slab so we need to provide some some storage um there is on the right hand side of the building this is where the post office would be so in a lot of our communities we have this sort of thing people come every day they pick up their mail it's a convenient place for the postmaster to drop everything in one place and so it it also brings daily usage to the building so it helps it helps with interaction within the community and and while this ramp is shown internal ultimately the by the time we get done the ramp will be exterior to the to the porch so we don't disrupt it but the other thing I wanted to point out was we've also gone ahead and uh on this elevation over here to the South we've put some solar panels on the roof uh there was a request that we we consider that and so uh we we are we are putting those on there to uh to accommodate that uh this is simply to give you an idea of we're heading towards a sort of a reddish color for the building as being the primary color theme obviously there'll be other things we've done that in a number of places and it um it it really works well um and so that's that's kind of the direction we're headed in but we'll have a lot more in our next filing but I had promised you guys that we would do that uh Kurt pull that one down for a second could you confirm to the board cling on Club constru yes the the clubhouse um the general timing that we would have is that the models would start uh as immediately as we could um site work would then be either little bits of it this fall the bulk of it next spring we would start the clubhouse next year so we don't wait until the end we like to do it earlier but we would want to make sure the site work is in place in phase one before we start it so we really like to get that done early on because we want people to be able to use it it's you know truthfully it's it's a good marketing thing for us so people know what it is that they're getting as part of the community so that will happen as part of phase one um there is a change to uh what you can see here is um on the plans that you have the sidewalk that runs from this area down to Chestnut is on this side of the road uh based upon grading as you start to get down closer closer to Chestnut it really makes a lot more sense for it to be over on this other side it will allow us to be more sensitive to the grades because as you're coming in into the entry the grades are rising on your right and so by having a a sidewalk over there it forces us to do some more extreme things to grading so it really makes a lot more sense for it to be on the other side so all we've done as you'll see on the final CH plans as we switched it over and run it down on the uh on the north side of the entry Road um drainage issues that are in there I mean generally uh we'll be able to comply with that stuff there might be a couple of waivers that come out of it but you'll you'll see the logic and all of it when the explanations come through uh the one item that probably is worth touching on is the notion of uh site runoff could you put the site plan back up for please thank you so as you recall we have uh drainage basins in in this area the service phase one and two in this area the service phase three and this area the service phase four in the general regulation is that you your post-development is the same as your pre-development so what's happening here is the drainage that moves off site it gets controlled by uh the SI basically the size of the pipe so it it get the amount of flow the rate of flow that's coming off site is controlled to be the same as it is today um um and so whatever the flow is that goes this way is going to be the same whatever it goes this way is going to be the same uh really because of the impermeability of the soils of the site all that really ended up happening is we had to make the drainage basins bigger to to store more volume in a heavier storm and so if you got a big bucket and your hole is that big it's just it'll just take a little longer for it to drain through into the Wetland system and get dispersed Downstream so there's no flooding type issues it's all controlled in that manner uh a little more does go in this direction but that's because a a lot more does not go in this direction there is going to be a tremendous Improvement on the side of Prospect Heights uh right now it flows off in that direction over people's yards into their basements and whatever else happens over there it's not good um so by the development it we natur naturally capture it uh and with the soils being impermeable it has to go into the drainage the drainage system uh we've talked about the so site run of mail facility uh not a through Street we've talked about that utilities you'll see several items with utilities uh just know that uh we have pre submittal we had consulted with DPW and sort of work through a lot of this stuff with them the the second issue is that this is a permitting set of plans and so some of the specifics that are being identified would be specifics that would get part of a construction set that that DPW would it have to meet their requirements and their approval no matter what so some of the explanations may be that this will be part of the construction set we'll have to meet whatever DPW says so you'll see some stuff in there about that um let's see perimeter plantings lighting uh we're in the process of doing the uh the photometric plan that's turned out to be a bigger challenge for me than I was expecting when I first went in it but we're getting there we're making some progress so that's essentially a site plan that shows where all the lights are and then uh where the uh where the light falls onto the grounds just to make sure that light does not extend beyond uh beyond the the boundaries of the site uh fill deliveries uh there's an identification we have uh gravel that we'll need to bring in over the course of uh four phases is really not all that it's it's not significant but uh what the peer Reviewer is saying is you need to identify where it's coming from and um obviously we can't do that we have specified the quality of the gravel which is one of the items that he identified but we really can't say where it's coming from because it's a function of the site contract that we end up using and where gravel is available at that time so that we thought the the best way to approach this would be simply to at the time put in something that says we've got a file with DPW where it's coming from um and get their approval and then give you guys a copy you know submit a copy for your files or something like that we thought that would be a reasonable way of approaching it so that it would be um I don't know how else to do it quite frankly in terms of all the you know cleaning of the streets and all those things those will be in the details of our plans and that's something we do standardly um so that's not a problem it's just really you don't know where it's coming from until you uh until you need it um and then the final thing is there's some comments in there about ADA um doesn't really apply necessarily to the housing uh certainly there are some requirements as part of a clubhouse but you know as part of the building permit process we will meet anything that we're required to meet um there's an implication that someone should give a very broad overriding certification that that that will not happen nor is that ever I've never seen that nor nor can it happen our Architects will uh certify what we need to have happen with the uh for the building inspector to give us a permit and then it's not not something required for housing David do I have these most updated um documents in my file uh you don't okay you don't and that's what I said early on I said we haven't some of these we haven't given to that I just wanted to give you sort of a preview of the direction we're going in to get so you have a sense this is not uh I'm not asking you to say yay or nay on any of these just to so that I can provide some some images to the directional information I'm putting out there that's really all TR this is actually not so much as part of your process but more of the open meeting law requirements okay so you're presenting them tonight so they become a part of the record of the town okay and so the planning board needs to get copies of those everything that's presented tonight you can do it electronically or or full size whichever but they need all right we can do that thank just know that they will change on the absolutely but okay it's being presented as part of the record okay electronic is fine Y no problem I think that covers yeah I think that covers pretty much everything in terms of you know without going down the peer review list item by item in terms of the direction that we're headed in with with all the different items and you know any bar ing any reactions that steer us in a different direction that would be sort of the way you will see the the response start to play out so this is really an opportunity for the planning board um to um Express thoughts ideas comments to the applicant uh thus far about the peer review so that the to to assist the applicant in responding to the peer review and into responding to what you'd like to see excuse me so being a public he I know if you guys had anything to say before I ask for any public comment or you have anything quickly you want I some I can go after you going to open it up to public discuss it's discussion something is there anybody here in particular that wanted to speak directly to 466 Chestnut good to see you again Joel it's been a while uh Joel arbitman Woodbridge Lane first you know I keep my ear to the ground on a lot of these projects that go on in town and there's oftentimes real pain coming from the residents that they're upset about traffic or too much building or the quality of the construction or whatever and I just want to thank the applicant I've heard nothing but very positive comments about this project and it's very heartening to see that so I think that's just great I had a couple of questions though I uh it was especially concerning the traffic issues and and I I don't want to make any comments about whether this adds a significant amount of traffic or what the traffic studies show but I have my own traffic study I'm a very regular user of Chestnut Street uh especially as a bicycle Rider which is not my focus and I can tell you whatever anybody thinks and whatever experts come back and tell you come come ride right alongside me on a bicycle and you will see very quickly how dangerous Chestnut Street is the speed limits are too high on there and I have actually had an incidents where I've had to call the police due to some very dangerous driving situations so I was hoping when I had heard about this project that all the traffic was going to empty out onto Elliot Street I'm not a traffic engineer I really am not familiar with the tradeoffs here but I am a little bit concerned that I I know that it's very difficult coming out of Warren Woods at the maintenance shed where where we frequently go to assemble uh uh clubs that I'm with uh to come out onto Chestnut Street at times is extremely difficult this is at 10 o'clock in the morning 11:00 in the morning and even getting back in there off South Street further up Chestnut Street at maybe 3:00 it it's not easy to to come off of those side streets so I have no idea whether what what the volumes are here being talked about or the frequency of usage and so on but I I would love to see the town recognize that it's a dangerous Street the speed limits or the actual speeds let's phrase it that way are too high on the street and I hope that you take the traffic concerns along chestnuts treat very seriously the only other I had just a couple of other questions one um you know Warren Woods itself is is a very attractive area you know to to go into into the various ways to get in there and I was just wondering whether any consideration or anything in this plan is has been looked at with regard to sidewalks either along Chestnut or possibly in Elliot Street uh I understand that there may be a crossing uh created going across directly across Chestnut Street to go to Warren Woods uh I just wonder whether sidewalks you know whether this is the time to start looking at sidewalks on some of these roads either as a part of this project or just to understand that that might be a valuable asset for the town to have in this general area it's right now it's it's it is totally autoc Centric it's all about cars on both streets and if somebody wanted to come out of this neighborhood and walk down to Shaws or something like that or even walk down the other way to go to downtown I'm not you know what it's not safe it just is not safe I I I don't know what traffic engineer would tell you that's a good idea it's just a dangerous dangerous environment up there and maybe this is the time to put an end to it not because of this project but while we're looking at the area maybe some consideration could be given to that the only other thing I wanted to ask is and I I know there was some discussion of buffering uh is is the I'm trying to understand what the view would be from the main Warren Woods area say from where the maintenance shed is for example or what whatever if we put a barn there in the future or whatever the town might consider if if we look across to this property is that open area we're seeing which I I'm guessing is on the corner of Chestnut and Elliot um is that would that be the main thing we'd be looking at or would the would the houses further down on Elliot be very visible from that location and what buffering might go that's the current field that's the current field and where's the can you can you just point out where the 4 building is on on this map the bottom that's way up there okay so that's really good that sound that seems great and how much of the housing that would be above your your currently planned uh Entrance Road off Chestnut would be screened by buffering from A View from Warren Woods I mean would those all those units be visible or would there be you know screening there the best Benchmark the almost thank you U the best Benchmark I can give you is that this um this line here which is sort of the open space line is just on the other side of the the uh stone wall that's out there so that stone wall has some vegetation all along it plus it'll be some vegetation behind it so part of this whole process and the things that the town worked through we originally had houses all out in here and it allowed us to push it all out Beyond there so there's actually uh vegetated foreground so it'll give you the ability to see the fields vegetation and in the houses through yes will you get peaks of houses I don't know if you look enough if you can get peaks of anything I suppose but but there's definitely vegetation that that will be there which has been I think a major Improvement on all on a lot of levels is additional screening a possibility uh well in that area it's all natural it should be fine in that it really should be fine in that area to be honest with you um you know our our screening Focus has been more where we have neighbors um because because the buffers aren't you know that I don't know how many feet that is but it's a long way to get to that yeah you okay Mark Sony 49 Hon Road and good evening and um I have about three questions the all going to be quick and easy I hope the road itself that it's on does not have sidewalks but years ago we had the village of America's put sidewalks down are they under the same conditions to do that if they build that I'm sorry can you can you repeat Village of maras was built and they were conditioned to put down sidewalks down by the um wildway Cemetary down the road towards towards Main Street years ago this has no sidewalks in the roads itself are they conditioned to put down any sort of sidewalks for safety reasons the requirement for Village of of the Americas to install sidewalks was a function that that was years ago right that was years ago that was a function of the um certificate of approval the Covenant the agreements that were made we haven't yet created any such agreement here okay we're not at that point in the process okay and um the Open Fields and buffer and all that stuff this isn't even natural way it is have have some sort of even minimal buffering is going to help everything in sight and for traffic I'll end it on this everything that's new adds to traffic I um Penny M uh 16 Mount viiew Drive and I am an abod to this project I don't have any issues with any of the things that they proposed absolutely Chestnut Street is is a disaster and I have to get off one of those side streets in the morning to to go to work and it's a lot worse when the snow piles block your view in addition to everything else and um you know that's it's but it's been a disaster for as long as I live there and at least they did finally put a traffic light down there um and I don't know this may seem really super Petty but when you propose the name Warren Way all I can think of is oh my goodness there's going to be such confusion because right around the corner we have Warren Road so I don't know if there's um a mechanism to make sure the street names be I'm my street is named Mount View and I can't tell you how many times my packages are delivered to Mount Gate you know um and so I I just don't know if some consideration could be made to just make sure that the street names aren't so similar to existing streets in town but again I I do support this so thank you still got truncated to thank you yes I can respond to the street name part um so uh may I may have misspoken I'm not sure but the there's basically three names that we're looking at here and we've checked them against any any streets that are on the list in Ashland um so it would be Lantern Way would be the entry and we try to relate it to the community many communities we have just have a just one one name to the whole thing and it's just numbers within the community fire department wanted there to be a breakdown by Street it makes it easier for them if they have to respond to something so so so we have Lantern way uh Fern Crossing and C what's that it's on there right it's on this one down here maybe Old Stone no yeah was on that's Fern Crossing and and this one is like Old Stone I forget what it was but it has to do with the stone wall that runs alongside of it so that's the direction we're heading it's not war way is it no there is not you know maybe I said could have misspoken all right thank you any other comments all right I will um I'm going to open up to the board before opening it up to the board just due to a lot of the comments we are hearing and I do believe the traffic study was done right can you do a Pres presentation of that at the next meeting and uh just present your study to the board open it up for comments or questions not answer most of mine we going to do the gravel road for the cut through and that's I think at the end of phase one for for for over 800 Fe you're going to just put in a gravel road uh after phase one as part of phase two doing um so I continue to be impressed with your presentation and your thoughtfulness in um considering the needs of the town and
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