So uh there there there remains access to um Waverly. However, there is going to be access to Union Street and it is within proximity of the high school entrance and exit. I think that is the high school entrance it is closest to. Um, and I'm just looking at the plan over Trisha's shoulder. Um, but yeah, that is the the biggest change um in this application. I mean, I think that I mean, yeah, so it's it's hugely different obviously than many of the things we liked about the other one. Um so we should just figure out how we want to break it down and comment on it. [Music] Um the difficult thing you know looking at the you know looking at the egress onto um uh East Union um the I I just don't see that as a it's it would work as a um you know, you can take a right going in.
100% agree with Johnny Melton. We did the right thing. Um I went home and slept well and I felt like everything was going to go well. But again, when you get down to your however many pages of a ballot and I'm voting on my 35th judge who I have no idea who that person is, do we retain? I'm sorry. It gets lost in the shuffle. We've got an opportunity with timing right now to get away from that and get back into it. And I think that's that does not need cannot be understated. We need the timing is here. The override is gone after this. I just pulled it up from our our last meeting, but after year fiscal year 25 26 coming up, we're 100% funded with the override. Going into fiscal year 2627, we go to 66 down to 33 and then it ends.
You'll never Well, depending on what time of day it is, you just you just won't be able to make a left out of there. Um it's going to be Yeah. I mean, that line is just all it's completely filled. So during the, you know, beginning of the day and end of the day with with school. So Yeah, that was brought up um just kind of I'm sure it's Yeah. Yeah. And and like this is kind of the it it was the start of the the process, right? And so at this point the the zoning board opened it up and they continued it for I think a month out and so their next meeting with this applicant on this process is going to be on April 22. April 22nd. Um with that said, the planning the zoning board of appeals did accept the consultant review um MDM transportation who's doing the trans who's doing the third party review for 10 to 16 Main Street.
Correct? That's when the cuts happen. That's when we see impact. That's when we see we lose start losing programs. Don't look now, but surprise is blowing up. Daart school district is growing. There's needs. people expect that certain level of customer service that we provide and we do an excellent job at that. So, we need to continue that. So, we'd be remiss, I feel, if we didn't go out for both. And again, if you've got a different opinion, absolutely. But I feel incredibly strong that both need to go out. I do think you do bring up a good point. The numbers should be looked at. Personally, on the override, the 15%, that's a done deal. I don't think we mess around with going 13 10. Now you have to start looking at potential cuts for reasons that just really shouldn't be that big. We should be able to get that 15 across, especially when easily 80% of the school districts that do those that you showed us, they're going 15%.
They are also working on this 40B with the town of Ashland. Um and then also from a a civil engineering standpoint, Hancock Associates is also working in on the peer review for this civil um peer review. this civil peer review um it is it's going to have to go through conservation it does fall within conservation jurisdictions um including I believe a vera poolool um so all these items regarding traffic civil um they are going to be put under the microscope uh through peer review um but obviously at this point ZBA is collecting all board comments um as they kind of start the process Just to make note, obviously this information is all up online, same website. Um, same kind of avenue that we always put the planning board stuff, all the pling board information up online. Um, so obviously we're trying to get the word out there.
The bond needs, again, we've we've we've discussed this at length. Those needs are still there and growing. I mean, how much are the elevators going to set us back, Craig? You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's these are things that we Nobody thought about that. You know, you don't think about elevators breaking. they just work until they don't and then all of a sudden now you're like well we've got problems. So again the education of the public seeing what's going on watching and listening to them respond to hey this is what we're seeing and feeling their word of mouth on that is our best asset. We need to capitalize on that and go forward with a strong message. I do have a question once everybody's discussed on this about the difference between the 7th and 28th as far as actual briefings because I know we have a hard May 9th date that we have to get to or get before that.
Okay. So, we don't have um I think we had it last time, the letter that we wrote, but it really was much, you know, um different. I'm just wondering if the letter that we wrote can break it down. So previously when we've commented on 40bs it's been in my recollection wrong it's been due to our prior experience project we did that on main street right this particular one we don't have necessarily prior experience Am I imagining? Wasn't this the one that we were going to reach out to what feedback wanted? I confused different 40b project. Um well, we did provide our initial letters to the state. Okay. You know, so um I can print Do you want me to print off the the letter that we sent to this to Mass Housing? Sure. Okay. that might be instructive. So today, what what we're really looking for is something we would bring to the zoning board.
So when we're done at that moment, I do have a question on that. Absolutely. We'll clarify that. Can we hear from the other uh committee members? We really do want to hear from everybody. Um yes, I'm for both of them. Um I just have a question about and maybe we'll have to talk about it later. um how do you get the information out? I knew I do understand like from standpoint Miss Kelly you're talking about people are talking about it but for me I guess I look at it at as which generation is talking about it which person is actually talking about it being parent guardian grandparent is it a community member is it someone I I'm not not specifically to you I get what you're saying and I look at I read through my social media and I go to the meetings And um most of the people that I talk to or that are at meetings that go to the meetings just at one school in particular, they're all um boomers generation.
I think we're looking for if we want any input into this project, if the planning board wants any input into this project besides us being individuals sitting on the meetings, then what is it that we would like to say? I mean, I I'm just going to start because I think that I'm sticking to the five stories which I don't think people actually like anyway if you listen to residents. We need to get them to come to the table to update zoning. But if you're getting five stories, the trade-off was somebody said, "I'm going to get some amenities." Which could make it a feel like a community, like a little neighborhood community. it could potentially keep um some traffic because your your little trip to the coffee shop was now you walk downstairs. So I would adamantly say that if it's five stories, you need to come through with the first story commercial that that is like in in the ZA stand up.
So, and I I gravitate to them because my parents, they grew up supporting the school, working in the school. Um, but there's a huge gap, not talking about the gap in generations, but a huge gap in the understanding of who the responsibility for the child is and where they work through that because most of the people on where I live at um I'm just saying outside looking in and it could be it could be not, but their grandparents taking care of the children and then they have greatgrandchildren that are getting ready to get hit with this um preschool, kindergarten, uh first, second grade, um math and reading, the programs. Um so that's just a question I have like I don't know if it's directly right now. Um but I am for both. I just believe there's a huge gap and not just generational gap, but of the responsibility, but that's that's statewide.
That's um probably the biggest when we get the letter I think we did have something we did. I'm just saying on because it's dramatically different. Yeah, we may we may be uh pairing down what we say, but I I think that's um that that would be a given for me. Um, oh, is there more than one? Just just all one copy. Okay. I thought maybe I had your copy. Okay. So, we already gave this to the zoning board of appeals. Yes. All right. I see. I see. I did not I did not sign that one, so I must have been out, which is why I don't recall it. I think that's exactly right. So, thank you for the clarification. I mean, to me, we already gave this to the zoning board of appeals, I think. Hold on. Yeah, the project. Maybe not. Maybe we didn't.
That's it is. It is. Then if I can step in and just say we have an opportunity here because who's going to who's going to pass this is going to be your voters. So I don't think there's an R or a D on this. This is about our families. This is about our community. This is about our life. So we live in in a congressional district that has R&D committees. You have precinct committeemen. You have precinct captains. These are people embedded in these neighborhoods. I am one of them. You have access to roles. We have hit them up apps that we have learned to do it on as my old self doing it via a text message. This is who we need to hit up to join forces with to have these conversations at the libraries in through text messages through the precinct captains because it's your voters that need to understand.
Maybe we just gave it to the state. And if we did, the project substantially different. Yeah, it's more it's different from what we commented on June 20th. Yes. A comment on this on this plan. Gota second plan. Yeah, because the comments will go to the CBA if they would have come and filed to start the process. So I suppose we can go through this memo and see what has changed and essentially make changes to the memo on the spot and hand over to Board of Appeals a new version of this. two I have two first pages. Is anyone missing one? Says memo of the Ash Planning Board on the front. I got you. Okay. Maybe the I mean the the whole just to pare it down. We do not need to be talking about any of the SHI at this. Yeah. That can just go away, right?
So it's from 18 all the way up and that's where we have access to the roles are. I think if we come at it using the forces that we have to continue the conversations that are happening in an educated way rather than it being opinion or I think I think when you have the hard facts to hold these discussions and you can present them and offer a chance to have the discussions we have the opportunity to do that. That's my opinion. No, thank you. You articulated well. I just wanted someone else to say it so that they can hear it like but I I feel you. I'm totally um I do feel like it is kind of all or nothing. I don't I wasn't I wasn't able to do anything after last February because unfortunately I I lost my job so I felt bad that I wasn't able to help out with any kind of education or just getting out into the public to help and get the message out as to why this vote needs to pass.
The key zoning parameters haven't been changed. I mean, I'm just kind of suggesting how we go about this. Key zoning parameters haven't been changed. The height and mixed use considerations, that section doesn't change because that entire section talks about three stories versus five. Context and site. So, the prior plan, it seems like there were several large buildings, varying angles. What do we have now? one big building. We have one big one. So, it seems like the context of site section we may need to rethink. So, the planning board at the time had encouraged the team to rethink and create a more fluid connection the buildings and natural contours of site that would be gentler to the land, more sustainable rather than standards. Raised site converted into plateau for large masses. development could feel integrated into the landscape. I don't think we have all the um details of that, but but the because I remember I like they were making like a big bowl where I don't they're doing that.
But I think in 2025 with fewer issues on the ballot, we can be more razor focused on this and let people know, listen, this is how much it's going to cost. If you can give up a couple of coffees a month or a few meals, a couple of eating out eating out less per year, that way we won't have to worry about a ceiling leaking water or a chiller going bad or a bus breaking down. These are things that we have to educate them on and we can be really laser focused on it and go at them with both the bond and the override and let them know we need another bus depot up north. We can't continue to drive kids all the way from Asante down past this area and send them to school. They they shouldn't have to go as far. So, I think we need to go with both and keep the number the same because otherwise it's going to grow.
But do we think this is better? I guess what I'm suggesting is like No, I think it's needs to be rewarded. It's the plateau part I don't think is it just it doesn't fit in it. It doesn't fit with the natural environment like having one one blob giant giant blob building, right? What would be an alternative? It seems to me like that is literally the only section of this memo that we're changing. So, if we can if the three of us can kind of come up with how we would frame that. So, we're going to one big block. I mean, I imagine it has some safety concerns the way that building is sort of for accessibility of fire and those kind the new design like to get fire equipment there does it doesn't yeah it doesn't appear like not quite right that situation yeah I mean in the middle obviously like you know where does so I mean I I guess that would be in keeping with like making it not one but also like those are our purview under planning specifically like fire department more weigh in.
The number is going to grow. talking about security. What was that the meeting we had months ago about removing social workers from that? That's going to add more money to security possibly because students would possibly be at greater risk because of social issues that are not addressed. So I say we do both. I'll go I'll be quick. You have no choice. We have to do both. Oh, um the bond and the over I agree with um what everyone else has said just in terms of the time being right and that there I think that the community has seen that there is a need for um the things that we are requesting and so that's that would be my recommendation would be to go for both the bond and the override at this time. Thank you, Shannon. Johnny, did you have any other Yeah. Did you want to Yes.
But like public safety is part of our zoning and that to me this just doesn't Yeah. I mean on the one thing on the one hand we can we can say that but building codes allow this all the time and so the building is going to be sprinklered and it's going to have different hose pipe connections and and you know and it's going to meet all the building codes that allow all kinds of buildings like this or more dense to get built, right? Um the building code takes care of that. So, um, it's not really a matter of, you know, safety in a way because I mean, my biggest reaction to this design is have this kind of standard approach to building where you're just kind of looking at a bunch of parking and is there a way to design this in a way that's what does it mean to be more fully integrated to the land?
Uh it's very simple. You don't have a choice. We have to go for both that we don't have the luxury anymore. So, the question is numbers. Don't worry. I the bond number is not going to matter. I will defer to the governing board if they want to change the andm number to 13 or 14.5%. Probably leave it at 15. If it fails for some reason, come back in 26 at a different number. But I don't know if numbers are going to really move. This is not going to fall on partisan lines. It's not going to fall on a number line. If you want to win the message, if you want to win this, you're going to have to get a new pack manager. Okay. And real quickly, as far as messaging, what we have to educate the public on is making sure that they vote for the city of Surprise.