It might be confusing the way I'm saying that, but anyway, that's okay. Okay, we're going to take a little break and we are going to four today. So, um, Let's come back at five to Three. give our attention. We have Dom that was able to get some more um figures together for us um that we can add to our sheet. Um, and we will have him share what he was. He has a couple more options he was able to add some funding to. I'm working on getting I'm working on getting it into our file also. Okay. And I apologize. I couldn't get everything done. um need some more time to cost out all of those options, but we just wanted to share with you what we have so far. Okay, so the first one we costed out was option three, which is one Friday per month for mandatory staff PD without students.
Okay, so this is an expensive one. So basically the way I saw it was adding nine additional days to the calendar for teachers. Um, and I used all certified staff. So 300 about 366 certified employees, nine days for each of those employees. So that's a total of 3,294 days. The average teacher rate for a certified employees. Go ahead. Yeah. Why is there a cost associated with this at all? Because it it feels like it would just be subtract like we're already over the amount of minutes that we need. So, I don't I guess I don't understand why unless you're bringing unless the cost is associated to bringing classified staff, but certified already would have to be there anyway. Go ahead. But you don't because we have enough we have enough instructional minutes to cover. Got it. It's It doesn't matter like it's not how many minutes.
Yes. Right. Yes. So, a teacher contract on a regular year is 203 days. 180 of those are instructional days. The rest is PD and vacation days or or other days, right? So, if we add additional days within the calendar, that's going to extend the teacher contract by nine days because we can't just take up nine of the 180 days because those are non-instructional days. Did you have something to say? Yeah, I was just going to going to say that the reason that the days will be added is because the other option will be to reduce the school day, which is one of our options over there or recommendations. Um, so that's that will be the only difference. Katie got it. There are rules around that, but I don't know. I can speak on that. Um, so the way they run that is um, and I'm getting all of my notifications because I have two friends that work in carate.
The way that works is they have two PDs twice a week before school for 45 minutes and then they have one PD after school. Only come four days a week. Oh, the four days. Oh, but they also No, they don't st they don't change they haven't changed their school hours. But this has also been in play since co. So when they went back Yeah, that's that's how this started. my girlfriend started when they went back after COVID and they gave them their Friday off for professional development and then their bargaining agreement started working that within their schedule. So, can you share the price? Okay. Yeah. So, you guys can tell that it's sometimes difficult to do the math on these things, right? Um, so that's why we just wanted a little more time to get all these options. But anyway, wait a minute. Wait till we have Okay.
All right. So, all right. 366 employees, nine days per employee. That's a total of 3,294 days. The I use the uh average teacher salary daily rate, which is $285. Uh so, the total cost would be $938,790. 938790. Yeah. Maybe I'll say uh we just costed out certified because that was the quickest and easiest way to get a snapshot because classified we'd have to go by employee group. So that wouldn't include you know we'd have to figure out all from all classified who the SSAs are, who the instructional resource co or the instructional support specialists. So, um, it just wasn't in the scope to do it in this moment. All right. So, that was option three. Option seven, keep safe tiers and increase amount at each tier by 20. Oh, I have that, but you have it, too. Yeah, Daniel costed that out and I I came up with a slightly different number of 228,132, but I think just to be conservative and safe, we'll go with um the Daniel's estimate 265,784.
So, uh if you guys are comfortable with that, we can move on to number eight. Sorry, Eve, can you just add um keep tears of longevity? It just doesn't make sense without that word longevity. And then on the top of the next page, is that a separate option? Should that actually be eight? The one that says to address compression, longevity, stipens will increase. Okay, so that's like 7A, I guess, or 7B. Okay, I'll do seven. Okay, thank you. The formatting of this document is not really numbered. Uhhuh. Thank you. Um Katie, yeah, I just um I just wanted to throw out there that I did look up the um ARS and it does say Arizona public schools annual instructional calendars should be at least 180 days, but the school district and I'm not in favor of this or or deny, but um but the school district governing board or charter district governing board may approve an equivalent instructional time based on a different number of days in the school year.
So, okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. And you have numbers for option eight. After first year of employment, level A staff who return are moved to level B. Okay. Yep. So, there's 53 certified employees that are currently on the A level schedule. So, that A schedule amount is 48,870. Um after that first year if they move to the uh B schedule amount they would be moving to a salary of 49,838. Uh so that's an increase of $968. And if you multiply the 968 by the number of employees get 51,34.
Any questions on that one? All right. Number 11. Okay, that option is contract substitutes will receive a 5% pay raise as well as a stipen of $1,73512 paid at the end of the 2425 school year to people employed as contract substitutes for the entirety of the 2425 school year. I'm just saying because increase seem like it's ongoing, but it's not ongoing. It's a one time thing. Okay. I thought you guys I just added that total just what it would cost to do the salary increase plus the stipens. So you they're they're also called out separately there too. So um so current contracts that are filled we have nine. The stipen amount would be $1,73512. So the total cost of those stipens would be 15,6168. Um the salary of the salary total for all those contracted subs is 327,93768. The raise amount proposed is 5%. So the total increase in salary would be 16,396.
So the 32,12 is a combination of what it would cost to do the stipens and the 5%. And then the bottom row is um just all if all available contracts were filled. If all all available contracts were filled, the stipen amount would be 20,821. Yep.$821. And then the uh salary increase would be 21,862 and the total for both of those would be 42,683. So yeah, that's as far as I got today. But um yeah, I'm assuming you know next meeting we can bring some solid numbers to you guys and that might make your uh thumbs thumbs up and thumbs down process a little easier. So, thank you. Okay, so um well, we did the big one, um which was the 2% raise. Um and I think what we'll do is at the next meeting, we'll do the rest of our ones that require money. Um we only have a few more to get money for, which hopefully we'll have for the next meeting.
Whenever that is, we will have to decide. I I guess before everyone leaves. Um so if we talk about the options that do not require funding, I believe there are nine of them. Um one and I'd like to have I think I What time is it? I think I would like us to try to get through those options. if we don't mind. Um, today those are the ones without the funding. So, there are options as you can see. Read them over. One, two, five, 14, 16, 17. uh 20, 26, and 28. So, as I'm thinking about that, I'm also thinking about um the school board goals. And um even though these do not cost money, um I want you to think about that, too. um when we discuss them. So, how we're going to do this is I'm going to read the option to you and we'll just do a consensus vote if we want to have this recommendation, if we want to make this a recommendation.
It won't be a formal until the next meeting because we'll align it to our standards or not. Okay. So the very first option, a committee will be formed by CSD to conduct a thorough investig investigation and formulate a plan for a full four, excuse me, a 4-day school week. Findings will be presented during the meet and confer sessions for the 25 26 academic year with a recommendation for implementation targeted for the 2627 school year. So, consensus vote. Do we want to keep this? Uh, no. This is the wording. Ariel, you want to put your phone down? And we're doing a consensus vote. What? This have a committee, right? It's the committee. I'm curious what the thumbs downs are. Okay. I feel like I want to explain because I think I was the one who brought this up in the first place and after listening and I I do think that I brought it up for I did do a lot of research around a 4-day school week and I do think that in the end it could either have um an increased effect on our student outcomes or a neutral effect on our student outcomes.
However, after listening to the board meeting and knowing how the board is feeling, I I think that if we put that on there at all, it is automatically going to set them up to not approve a lot of the things. And I'd like to bring them something that like a package that they're willing to approve. That's why I said thumbs down. Amy, I wholeheartedly agree with what Katie said, which is why I put my thumbs down on it. Um, I think a 4 day work week could potentially be an option. Um, I also really listen very closely to what the governing board um said that night. I was there and listening to them. Um, and I sorry I'm making it staticky. Um, I I think if we put they very clearly explicitly stated that anything we put forward needs to be able to um align with our SOFG and we need to be able to provide how it aligns and how it can support achieving those goals.
We're currently not there and that is not to say that our teachers or staff or admin or anyone is not working hard. Please know that's not. But I'm afraid if we say we want to give them everyone a 2% raise and we want to explore shortening the workday or and we want to explore a 4-day work week, I feel like it is going to get completely shot down because we are not at that level yet. We're we're not meeting. And so I think anything that we have to put forward, we need to be able to link um how we can align it to our SOFG, which is why at this point, like Katie said, I feel like we need to come forward with a set of things and say how it's going to impact impact our SOFG. I'm not saying that I don't wouldn't don't agree with the 4day school week.
I just I don't know enough about it and I don't know how it's going to align to our SOFG and I think if we bring it to the board it will be an automatic no on everything. Eve, did you have something? I just agree. Oh, I was just going to propose that just like the other items that were tabled that the ones that are thumbs down live in that same document that Joel already created so that we cannot lose them since there was obviously feelings and ideas around them at one point people that brought them up. So perhaps it's something that we can table to next year. I'm just confused. So, we're not recommending a 4 day school week. We're just asking a committee being formed. Just like this district has multiple committees. So, we're not saying, okay, next school year we're on the four day school week.
This is just saying make a committee, investigate it, gather data. That's why they asked if the ver the verbage could be changed because that's not what committee will form to conduct a thorough investigation and formulate a plan. The plan could be oh finding will be presented during meeting confer session with a recommendation for implementation targeting for the 26 27 school year. Yes. So it makes but that's no guarantee that we have to do it right. Well, it's saying implementation. It says it's offering a to be presented during confer to determine a recommendation. We don't have that on there. Well, yeah, it also when I sent them the language CSD, but like there's a bunch of typos. I think that's why I think I think since Well, we're not going to word smith now. So I we will table it since there is there a way that you will change your mind.
Can we come to consensus on that? Is everyone okay with it living still in the table document? Okay. Yeah. Joel, are you okay with that? Anything and not just this, anything that gets thumbs down, just adding it to the same. Thank you. So um Well, let's make a recommendation to table this option number one. Well, I don't think we need to recommend that we table every single one. I think everyone that gets thumbs down can then live on in the table document if that's if is everyone okay with that? Okay. Um do we not want to have the I would like to at least hear why this thumbs down are given um their reason. Yes, they did. it in the future and then maybe some people would change their mind, maybe not. Um because I know last year a couple people changed their minds. So we will table number one option.
Option two, the school day will be reduced from 7 hours and 10 minutes to 6 hours and 30 minutes. Hey, thumbs down. Do you want to speak? Take a couple minutes to speak. Um, it's quite frankly the same thing that I said earlier. Um, I don't think it'll be approved by the board. So, is that what we're basing off? No, it doesn't have to. It it I mean, it's just what people are sharing. Um, anyone else want to share? Yes, I put my thumbs down because I don't think giving less support to students is what they need. I think they need more support. And on the last presentation from uh about goal three on SEI based on the everything that has been implemented the professional development and support for the teachers even though it was a a small group of 11 um the SEI family night to support families in the connection at home.
um the curriculum that was adopted, all of those things are really showing that the teachers who participated, this the students are growing faster than other groups um that are not receiving that type of support. And so for me, reducing the day is taking away instructional or support uh from the students and and and that's not uh the goal of the district, I think. Okay. Anyone else want to speak? Yeah. Um just like to that comment I guess there's plenty of research that shows that there's a diminishing return on the amount of instructional minutes uh beyond 5 and 1/2 hours and so which like naturally everyone understands that if you keep kids in school for 16 hours a day they wouldn't learn way faster than someone in school 8 hours a day right there's an upper limit to that um the other thing is though is like we go over the process at the beginning of the year every year um and I think statements like the board won't approve this is like literally a non-example used when discussing the difference between interestbased negotiations and positions based bargaining.
Um, and the school district has chosen to go the route of interest based negotiations. If we want to do positions based bargaining, we can do that. We can cut out all the extra fluff and we can the union can come in with a contract and the district can, you know, Vanessa can give us a budget and, you know, we can wrap it up in a couple hours, but then there's no reason that like it's all time a wasted time and energy here, right? So, um I I understand the rationale, but I feel pretty negatively about like like if this if that's the end all beall of all our recommendations, why am I not just bargaining with the school board? Well, um I I think it needs to be considered for sure. I mean, we know that from their presentation. I don't think I think it needs to be weighed.
Do I think it needs to be the only reason? Absolutely not. Um, but I do think Well, I don't I don't uh that Excuse me. I'm on the stack. I'm on the stack. Um I don't even know if that's the right way to say that. Yeah, that's okay. Thank you. Um, I don't think that anybody is I don't want to speak for Katie and Amy, but I know for me, I voted no on both of those. And it one contributing factor is that if we are going into this with the anticipation or the hope that we get anything approved, I think we do need to keep contributing factors in mind. And they Sophia came and spoke to us from day one when we started. Diane said we need to limit our options. We need to really consider SOFG. Like that has been explicitly stated over and over and over.