good morning McCollum today is February 4th 2020 it is almond and second day of school this is the lychee news I'm Riley and I'm Isabella today for lunch there will be many chicken tacos steamed broccoli we use pineapple chunks and milk we have some tomorrow for breakfast there will be breakfast bar and we'll crap - fresh grapes suitable seminole we have some friends celebrate birthdays yesterday's from fat question was what is the capital city of Illinois Springfield today question is how many days are in if it is not a leap here remember to write your answer and you need include your name of class we have a special announcement it's the second step for my clinics for February our second grade Jordan from Castle fetters class self from Keenan class not only from glutted Scott class if your home owned it for a chance to win a extra basis for your class marceline jr.
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good morning big Hollow today is February 5th 2020 it is the 103rd day of school this is WBZ news I'm Elaine and I'm pan today for lunch there will be thank you Sascha's patottie new comers hash brown boys shoes and they'll tomorrow for breakfast there will be view for you graham crackers on chives launch juice and number we have some just go straight down there don't pour your left we have somebody selling your yours happy birthday please go to the office your birthday introduce ones that question was how many days are in the month of cranberry if it is not a liter the answer is 28 the winner is Maggie - what sport would a player like a bowl remember to write your answer neatly and include your name in class the winners for each grade for full time starts our second great first place ready with 14 second place a center with nine dirt plays the time between the bikini and Lancaster hood center city that we've had a total of 54 on the board third very first place tie between Connolly and totally with 10 second place boy command was seven third place tied between Detweiler and Keenan with five third grade had a total of 37 on the board mark great first place with both legs in second place I love them there plays the time between them tight between summers and present was time-barred grid had a total of 71 on the board great the great job Sojourner Truth escaped slavery she worked to end slavery truth traveled the country and shared her experiences at slave she's known for her famous speech ain't IA woman where she spoke about slavery and women's rights and now we will observe a brief period of silence to reflect on the anticipated activities of the day I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all I begin will lead us in the pink collar pledge I pledge to be a pH star whether at school or travel firm I pledge to be safe in every way responsibilities vary work and play I won't years Fat Boy and all of you and be a star the whole day through have a wonderful Wednesday thanks for watching
Paul there's Nachman here Commissioner Briggs here mr. söze mr. hammerschmidt here commissioner Milstein here commissioner Abrams Commissioner Mills mr. Gibb Randall Commissioner woods thank you do we have any introductions this evening I do not approval of agenda do have a commissioner that will move the agenda move back mr.
good morning bacala today is February 6 2020 it is the 104th day of school this is wbh emails I'm Isabella and today for lunch there will be pizza peppers green beans carrot sticks strawberries and though tomorrow breakfast there will be many french toast yogurt fresh grapes orange juice and milk we have some friends celebrating birthdays we don't have anyone celebrating for at least eight if we miss your this type of work the commuter sculptable office to pick out your birthday boy it's a very fun point where he lives in what sport would a player spiky ball the answer is volleyball the winner is a lowly perfect come to my office to pick out your price today as well that question is in the Angry Birds movie what color is Chuck remember to write your answer neatly include your name and class we have a we have a special nuts Frederick Douglass was an author a Raider and leader he was born into slavery and expected at the agency during his life he advised to presidents and thousand thousands of people against slavery his writings describe his life as a slave and his experiences after the Civil War please get for the place I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all I pledge to be an immediate start when they are at school or travel far I pledge to be safe in every way take responsibility during work and play I will be respectful and all I do and BSR the whole day sir remember every word matters speak kindly thanks for watching
Gibb Randall seconded by Commissioner Mills any discussion or changes to the agenda all those in favor please say aye opposed it's approved minutes of previous meeting before us this evening we have the January 22nd 2020 meeting minutes till commissioner move move back mr.
Abrams seconded by Commissioner Gabriel any discussion or changes all those in favor please say aye aye opposed it's proof now we come to reports from city administration City Council's planning manager Planning Commission officers and committees written communications and petitions we'll begin with our city council representative commissure Ackerman Thank You mr.
chair just one update for you all from our meeting last night 20 to 60 Traver Road a single-family parcel was sitting do we have a report from the planning manager we do not Planning Commission officers and committees mashenka Brandel I think we've talked about this before but I just want to put it up there again that on February 22nd we're going to have our big kind of climate summit for the city and that this is a chance for people to be able to hear about the potential strategies used for achieving carbon neutrality by 2030 it will be at Pioneer high school I think it starts it two-five I think is what it is and it is a chance for people to be able to weigh in on which strategies they like there will be kind of a series of Ted TED talk style presentations and it's a real opportunity to be able to influence the direction of what we may see as we try to meet our very ambitious climate goals any other reports from committees Commissioner Mills I just thought I'd report that the o.r seed did meet last week and we discussed two items of business one was allowing solar energy on carports and what that might look like so I think that that's something that will probably come back to all of us I think that's close and then the other thing that we did is started a discussion about what sort of benefits count in our planned project at towards planned project modifications and so that's one that I think will probably the RC we'll be talking about a little bit more before it comes to a working session or it might come to a working session first but that that one you know kind of going through the list and figuring out what we pull off and what we want to pull on any other reports from any committees various various correspond sucess sort of City Planning Commission we have actually quite a bit that we received in the last since Friday so please take a look at that we now move on to audience participation this is a time for any member of the audience to address the Planning Commission in regards to any item that is not on the agenda if you have an item that you'd like to discuss that is not on the agenda for discussion this evening please step up to the podium seat your name and address for the record and you'll have up to three minutes to address the Planning Commission hi there no Hofmann 1765 North bird drive so I spoke to the Planning Commission a couple weeks ago and I'm coming here to talk about the proposed ordinance to regulate short-term rentals I want to give a little bit of an outline because I think the last time I spoke and I apologize there wasn't all that much context for what I was talking about so I wanted to give a little overview of just what's happened and I'll try and do it the best I can in a couple minutes so to the best of my knowledge back in mid 2019 there was one constituent in Ann Arbor who had a bad experience she lived next to somebody who decided to rent her house on a short-term rental site there was an issue and so she kind of took it upon herself to create a movement which were not really sure that it actually has much backing but she started a website called burn ban a to Airbnb or something like that and ultimately there was so much backlash against it that she changed the name of the website to legislate Airbnb and that was a common trend that we found the next step was that she law lobbied the City Council she decided to go to Derek Delacorte and other City Council members calling and calling and calling and asking for them to do something and so finally they decided to hire Carlyle Worman associates and a consultant and put out a memo after holding three public meetings at those three public meetings the all three of which I attended the overwhelming majority and I think the numbers were roughly 50% 25% and 15% in the following order of do nothing so don't regulate do very little so include permits and inspections or do a lot which is specifically banning the short term rentals that are not someone's primary residence right so 15% roughly yes who supported that idea thereafter City Council in November received a memo from Carlyle Worman which in our estimation grossly mischaracterized the situation of short-term rentals in the country one specific data point to this is that they said that four or five representative cities so 80% of cities in the country ban non-primary resident short-term rentals and that's just simply not the case if you have you look at a list of cities of representative ones like Ann Arbor so Royal Oak Columbus Ohio those are good examples that they decided not to include those ones explicitly allow it they have a great permitting process it's very safe and aboveboard and you decided not to include it finally City Council decided to pass a resolution in early January that would allow for the framework of an ordinance that was based around banning these short-term rentals and as somebody who's been doing it following all the rules for the better part of a year and a half I'm a little bit confused about what happened and I don't really understand why they're moving in this direction because zoning is a part of this I come before you to ask and just kind of explain this process thank you thank you Jeff Hugh 111 North Ashleigh's Street so I actually kind of wanted to talk about the same issue but coming from a different perspective I'm a resident physician at the University of Michigan I just wanted to take a couple couple minutes to talk about the short-term rental issue and how it can affect us as a medical community but more importantly how it affects our patients that we have the privilege of taking care of when I started medical residency this past year the University of Michigan I was totally new to the area didn't have a place to live like many of my fellow residents I was moving across the country and was unable to visit apartments until I moved here a few weeks before we started work so during that during the time when I moved here the first couple weeks my family and I stayed in their B&B and during that time we're able to find a permanent residence another way the short-term rentals impact our community is during that medical student away rotations every year a large number of fourth year medical students come to Ann Arbor from across the country to do two to four week away rotations which are essentially auditions with different departments at our Hospital in my experience the majority of these students who don't have a friend to stay within the area don't know anybody in the area appreciate the convenience of renting an air B&B that's close to the hospital especially because they'll be working pretty long hours for several weeks with regard to our patients at the University of Michigan Hospital is a major tertiary care center and it serves patients all across Michigan and Ohio I treat patients every day you've come from hours away to receive care from people who are experts in their field many of the patients and their families have mentioned their use of Airbnb z-- as they come from far away cities and they're here to prepare for major surgeries and life-changing procedures they've they've mentioned that they appreciate the privacy as opposed to saying it I would tell and especially you know when they're sitting with their family and they're about to undergo something that could could change in their lives so yeah I just wanted to thank you guys for taking the time to listen and hope that you consider the repercussions of potentially banning Airbnb in our city thank you thank you hey thanks for hearing me again I'm Carol Scalia and I live at well our home is at 1524 Marian I just wanted to ask you guys to fast-forward a little bit in your thought process I know or I think that you haven't probably received any written documents from city staff on this so you have no framework to even really start considering what you're gonna do but I think it's going to come and it's probably going to come as was recommended by counsel and I would ask you to consider a couple of things that I think we really haven't talked about too much and one is enforcement if they require and request a total ban on an owner-occupied Airbnb is it's going to be really difficult for the city to enforce this I I don't even know you know you would need a registration system of some sort and then you're going to have to hire somebody to actually track the Airbnb x' and find out about the ones that aren't registered and and then what's going to happen with them and I don't it's going to get really complicated and the other issue is the zoning I mean are we gonna end up having to rezone Ann Arbor because we've got student rentals and long term rentals mixed in with short-term rentals in residential areas where people are saying that they shouldn't be so it's really complicated and I don't think it needs to be this complicated I think that there are cities who have already done the homework for Ann Arbor cities like Columbus Dublin Ohio did an extensive review I just emailed Alex this evening a copy of their report and they may have opted virtually to do nothing because they didn't really identify a problem and so I think that there was some work that needed to be done by council not by the consulting firm although the cult Consultants were hired to do this work but we didn't get a very good report the work should have been done before it came to you before it went back to city staff to draft something people were not looking at the cities who actually have successfully come up with a reasonable plan that benefited both sides of this issue the mayor of Columbus actually said that it was incumbent upon the city to balance the benefit of short-term rentals against public safety that that was the only thing that they were considering was public safety and we have ordinances in place and laws in the city to deal with public safety and there has been no proof through the police department that short-term rentals are a public safety issue in this city so I just think we need to be looking at some of the examples of the cities who have done it and are doing it well as thank you thank you good evening I'm Tom stall work I'm a Lowertown resident and I don't know if you're all aware but we're just now settling a lawsuit resolving the lawsuit against the city for improperly rezoning Lowertown to a campus business district category so where is the campus business district how its defined helped me grow or migrate and who gets to decide that if the U of M buys more property like finger Lea does that necessarily change the boundaries of campus and in turn our rezoning boundaries if the U of M rents a cluster of buildings is that campus what about North Campus what about the Argos complex in the heart of the Old West Side does that you have AM complex from a campus business zoning for 415 West Washington how close do you have to be to be near campus and does this mean the U of M controls the boundaries of our zoning districts and can alter the city zoning ordinance without the city doing anything can someone else have a campus like when we had cooley Law School Plymouth Road what happens to our zoning boundaries when that campus closes so the answer is very simple none of that matters the boundaries for campus business district are not defined by a radius from a single building or clusters of buildings it's not north campus it's not the Medical Center especially not a satellite building that's not part of the main Medical Center it's not defined by any by the U of M in any way without input from the city we make our laws so the campus business district what is it it's the Gowen part of our town and gallant downtown urban core area our planning documents say that is essentially along the South University Avenue along with streets immediately abutting that to the south and the state and Packard intersection it has not anything simply called campus it's the campus business district and it isn't merely defined by physical location but also by character urban core zoning categories have requirements and standards particular to the character of an urban core picture either the town or Gowen Irving corn certain things make sense like small front setbacks zero side yard setbacks but those things don't make sense in a neighborhood urban core characteristics usually include things like taller heights greater density less parking and more flexibility and mix juice so you picture the herds of undergrad students walking down south university going to class finding a place to eat or drink our planning documents and zoning code support such an urban core and we differentiated our town and gown urban cores from the other areas of the city c1 a and C 1a are our core area zoning categories while the case could be made to stretch the boundaries a little perhaps to immediately adjacent properties that would have more to do with the expansion of the urban core character not the sign of it U of M building or something like that the character of these categories are specifically designed for urban core areas just like d1 and d2 are they are not to be used elsewhere where that character and the standards and requirements of those zoning categories do not fit thank you thank you No my name is Nick Wilkinson I live 11-15 fountain Street I'm just here to kind of talk about the banning of short-term rentals I own one full-time Arabi short-term rental property and I have I've introduced myself to both of the neighbors and have good relationships with them and having running this property as a short-term rental actually produces income which I think it's very difficult for people that are just getting into buying rental properties as an investment or a business in Ann Arbor to actually make any money because the properties are so expensive and and so are the property taxes so this allows me it produces income for me and my family and it allows me to stay home some of the days with our new daughter on the roof on the other end of that I also own a traditional duplex that has normal traditional tenants and I think the smartest business decision that I could make is ending their leases and turning them into short-term rentals because right now it's just not really producing much of any income and I'm putting a lot of work for nothing essentially so I don't I haven't done that and I don't think I'm going to but it's something that I've definitely considered so it's about yeah it's housing is not affordable in Ann Arbor so it's and that's one of the arguments is that these are taking up inventory for rentals but I think short-term rentals should be regulated because right now it's kind of a free-for-all but having some registration and thing is a great idea but totally banning them I think is it's probably not the way to go Thanks thank you my name is Alex gross I live at 7:58 South maple and a lot of people party spoken to this so I don't want to take up too much more time but I came to speak so I figured I would get up here and yeah same kind of thing just that I have a place that I work with my mom and I help a few other people manage around town and yeah it's just you know you make life decisions based on what you think is loud and you spend a lot of nights and weekends working on it and you know just want to come here and kind of make a personal appeal of it yeah I hope there'll be a kind of a reasonable approach instead of putting us kind of among the most restrictive cities in the country and it seems like you know all the hosts that I've talked to you including the ones here like like this have you know we're all four kind of reasonable you know registration and taxing or whatever it is but yeah just that yeah it's hard to when you make decisions since I kind of want to go up and just kind of go like you got a personal appeal and I think yeah there's like people said tonight there's a lot of advantages both in terms of the people coming to the city and really the disadvantages so yeah thank you thank you is there anyone else in the audience who wishes to address the Planning Commission all right seeing no one we will move on to public hearings scheduled for our next meeting which is our next regular meeting which is February 20th 2020 a public hearing will be held on Thursday February 20th at 7 p.m.
for 3874 Research Park Drive site plan for City Council a proposal to demolish the existing building and construct a 79 thousand square foot research and office building on this 5.63 acre site zoned re research access to the site continues from the southern adjacent site and now we are on regular business the first item is the garner Planned Unit development and site plan for city council approval our procedure for this evening will be for the petitioner to have up to 10 minutes to address the Planning Commission we will then get a staff report followed by a public hearing and then discussion and a vote so we will begin with the good evening they've grabbed more architect for the project you may remember us from a previous machination of the project and also from the PD pre-submission before this body this is identical for all intents and purposes proposal to what this body recommended City Council approved previously under a different zoning classification it was determined by enough of the City Council members that they did not feel that the previous proposal for the zoning designation of c18 was appropriate and most of those City Council people who express that opinion also expressed the opinion that they liked the project they just would rather it come back as a PUD and so that's why we stand before you tonight so I'm just gonna run through the project to refresh memories that may have lapsed or gone cold over the course of year practically and that no there are a couple of new people here see the project the first time so let me just run through this is a location map you may be familiar with this old Michigan site here the new DTE proposed site there and that's Depot Street the train station is just kind of north east of us how do I advance this Jill just click just roll ok so here we go here is a plan of the building sitting on the site this site is on the corner of Broadway and summit and also on the corner of summit enough and an alley that goes between some of the depot on the west this is a first floor which shows the relationship of the building to the site it's not exactly a rectangular say because a Broadway is at an angle the site slopes from the southwest corner down towards the northeast corner so there's a diagonal slope across the site we've nestled the building into that slope to create a below grade parking level below the building and then place the residential levels on top here you see a residential level layout at the first floor where there's a single dwelling unit on the east side of the building and two doing units on the west side of the building all the units have been developed with large outdoor living spaces because even though today may not be an example we do get nice weather occasionally and it's nice to be able to sit out on a patio rather than just having someplace for a tomato plant here you'll have a place to go out and sit and enjoy this is the lower level the basement the garage it's tucked underneath the building you may recall that in an earlier version that the Planning Commission saw we had more vehicular parking in less bicycle parking it was suggested by planning commissioners at that time that we try to maybe get rid of a parking space and and add more bike parking which we did so we now have in addition to the four on-site Class C parking we have a total of 19 bike parking spaces in the basement for a total of ten units in the building and there is opportunities for each of the people who have a parking space to also hang a bike over their hood if they want even more bike parking and they could also reorganize we've shown a lot of these bikes 'as of the regular horizontal hoop type there are more efficient ways of double stack type of arrangements if the kind of mini moanitors I want to do that they could even put more bikes than that but we have almost two four this is the second floor this is the third and fourth floor the third and fourth floors step back you can see on the western side the boundary of the two lower floors is here on upper floors the building steps back from the alley so that on the top two floors only to dwelling units and then we have a roof plan here we had proposed a green roof for most of this roof surface which will not only help contain stormwater filter it reduce the heat island effect in the city but also be a pollinator friendly environment up on the roof this quick site section these are the 2d elevations this shows this is looking from summit northwards so you can see how the building goes up two floors and then steps back so it opens up on the western side here you can see all of the outdoor living spaces we've made a few changes from the previous iteration in that in talking to potential buyers we change some of the fenestration patterns so the grill works a little bit different than the windows from the last essentially the winners are the same size they just have slightly different grill work patterns and we also changed it to a more decorative railing style there's the your linear railings so this would be the East elevation looking west and this is the North elevation looking south again you can see how the building steps up this is the alley elevation it shows the garage door going in underneath the building that is the trash room door so that the trash carts can be moved out here's a color version of the South elevation from clicking north from summit the brick color has changed from more red brick from the previous version to a more Chicago common style or net brow and much of the trim has gone to a deep green as opposed to a brown the owners were trying to again incorporate a little bit more of the color into the building this is also the same color scheme on the East elevation on North elevation and on the West elevation we envisioned door going into the garage to be smoked or cloudy glass so we get some natural light coming into the garage space whereas the door to the subscribers store Jarrett would be solid quick 3d elevation from a complicated intersection thereof beaks and Broadway and summit looking at the building again this is a little bit more rotated as if you were heading up towards the property bridge and I think that's the last slide we have I hope that's adequately described the project 10 residential units we have 11 two parking spaces that need all the dimensional requirements of this of the city we have a couple of smaller vehicle storage areas so we could actually get 13 vehicles in that garage downstairs 19 bikes downstairs and I think that's it's pretty quick description as I could view in the ten minutes allotted I can go into some other details about the projects and how we ended up here and kind of save that for the public hearing I think if you have any questions we also have our civil engineer here so if there's questions about stormwater runoff or the environment on this site we can hopefully answer all your questions thank you thank you thank you to miss Thatcher for the staff report I think I'm just gonna use these slides because they are pretty much the same slides that I have so very quickly let's see so there are certain requirements for all PUD zoning district applications the first is just the application that requires a bunch of history on the site surrounding land uses how its consistent with a master plan one of the threshold requirements is that for certain applications that have residential component that is beyond the base zoning requirement and there's a little bit more on that in that in the staff report but it does require an affordable housing contribution or units and that is a get you in the door to the PUD that isn't does not count toward your public benefits that's required of all PUD projects that meet that threshold there are also beneficial effects that are required these are in 529 point 10 F standards for PD zoning district I've listed them in the staff report these are not if you look on the third page of the staff report at the top a through G these are not inclusive these are just examples of the kinds of benefits that could be considered as being beneficial to the entire community and therefore making the PUD an appropriate kind of a zoning district for this site then there are supplemental regulations provided and they also list the public benefits to the community that are provided by the project the Supplemental regs in this case basically proposed to match or slightly exceed the current zoning the floor area is bumped up for 150 to 200 percent the setbacks are the same as the previous petition they're just codified in the Supplemental regulations instead of as conditions to a different zoning district there are two landmark trees on the site one is proposed to be removed the other one would be mitigated for a first flush stormwater management is required and that will be captured by a green roof and no infiltration on the site will be allowed because it is a highly contaminated site and the petitioners have just have agreed to make the parkland contribution of six thousand two hundred and fifty dollars the land use element of the master plan recommends a future land use of commercial and office for this black residential of course is is appropriate under the current zoning district and staff comments so the proposed PUD site plan me all of the development standards in the proposed PUD zoning district what they're showing here absolutely meets what's proposed in the Supplemental regulations so staff believes though that the PUD zoning does not meet the first of the standards for PD zoning district review which is the beneficial effects to the city that cannot be achieved in any other zoning designation there's some confusion about this earlier today in the staff report it says that the benefits described by the application could be achieved in the c1 a zoning district a staff is not suggesting that this should be zoned to the c1 a we've already been down that road with conditions in it it was denied by City Council it's just saying that there is a threshold that you have to cross that says you can't this is a beauty because you can't achieve this anywhere else but in fact this could be achieved as a c1 a the project definitely has merits in the first go-around staff supported it it's appropriate size and scale and used for the site for the site it has a lot of good things going for it the problem is that it just doesn't meet the criteria for public benefits that a PUD project requires in staffs opinion I am I am interpreting code here and whether or not I believe it meets it and so that is merely staffs opinion and the Planning Commission and council will possibly interpret it the same way or differently but that's when whenever staff reads code and does not think that it is met they cannot they cannot recommend approval of a project doesn't matter if it's what chapter of city code it is it could be any of the staff reviewers but in this case planning staff does not believe that this meets the thresholds for beauty zoning district thank you thank you at this time I'd like to open up the public hearing on this item any members of the audience may address the Planning Commission for up to three minutes please state your name and address for the record and you'll have up to three minutes to address the Planning Commission good evening my name is Chris Crockett I live at 506 East Kingsley Street not far from this proposed project and I'm also president of the Old Fourth Ward Association tonight I'm speaking on behalf of the Association last week we had a board meeting and unanimously our board 12 members who are who make up the board of the Old Fourth Ward Association agreed that this is a good project and we would like to see it built personally I have been working with Kelly for a couple of years now she showed me this project when it was in the conceptual two stage and I agreed at that time that it looked like a really appropriate project for the north-central area which is adjacent to the Old Fourth Ward historic district this project was rejected by City Council which we recommended that it come back as a PUD so you can't imagine our amazement when we read the staff recommendation for denial it's the same project that was passed before and City Council recommended that it be a PUD there are a number of criteria that should be met or can be met but not all of them have to be met this is a handsome building it's appropriate and design size and scale for the north central property owners area it's appropriate for our residential area and we like this project very much it will bring a dozen or more residents to our neighborhood and we are happy to see that especially on a piece of property which is not being currently used as residential it's no surprise that it's luxury development all ann arbor development is luxury development but what astonishes me is this is a building developed by a local woman with local money in tribute to her mother who was the Pioneer Woman developer of Ann Arbor it's astonishing to me that so much leeway is granted to big deep-pocketed projects with lots of out-of-town money and of town architects and yet this is being looked down upon so much by our planning department with a local woman paying a tribute to a local woman in producing a beautiful building that's appropriately placed in a residential area I urge you to pass this project I think that the Planning Department on this occasion is in error this is a good project it's a beautiful project and it deserves to be built thank you my name is Julie Ritter I live at 920 Catherine I'm a member of the Old Fourth Ward Ward however old fourth word board but I'm speaking for myself tonight I sent out an email earlier today that listed seven things that are reasons I think it should be approved as a PUD that is C 1a I'm not gonna repeat that here but it included things like usurping the master plan process detrimental environmental impact the fact the city is legally constrained from mandating affordable units and other things and I'm not gonna repeat them this has been there have been numerous condominium developments in Ann Arbor in the last ten years on all kinds of property all shapes all sizes all places side streets main streets through the black into the hill none of them had any more public benefit or any more of the long list of qualities that staff has used to justify the rejection of this PUD zoning then this beautiful property that we all really liked all of those condos went through with barely a whisper I've not had the opportunity to investigate the zoning of all the condos but the fact that this tiny little flat in this residential neighborhood the staff the only zoning that staff can come up with is a campus zoning with unlimited height it would be laughable if it weren't so egregious it's pathetic and to blindside this young woman developer who we should be lifting up and celebrating and instead being treated miserably it's clearly not about the zoning for this well-designed and thoughtful development it's about another agenda I can easily guess that it's aimed at sidelining the upcam upcoming master plan process at excluding neighbors and others from engagement and comments it's an agenda of aggressive densification and it's completely incompatible for this site as I've stated and others have stated as well please override the staff recommendation and approve this as a PUD and if you can't approve it as a PUD choose another so nning that's a lot more appropriate thank you hello tom Stolberg again I do live at 12:02 trailer Street which is in the lower town area and as you've heard before my neighborhood sued the city over using campus business zoning where it doesn't belong and I'm gonna focus on that aspect of this here I do understand some of what staff said that the points that staff made about the PUD I hear you and I'm a developer I've joined my family business 28 years ago so I'm a second-generation developer and my father's an attorney and developer this was dinner table talk for us zonings and reasonings and I presented before City Council's Planning Commission's Township boards throughout Oakland County so I just give you that background so that I'm not just some guy from the neighborhood talking so what I want to talk about is why c1a isn't a good bar to compare this to whether or not you want the PUD that's one issue and it has its own specific points but you can't compare it to C 1 a C 1 a is off the table at this location this location is not valid for C 1 a because it's not the campus business area and it's C 1 is off the table for this area because the character of C 1 a does not match the character that's appropriate for this location either if you're gonna do C 1 a 1 at C 1 AR it's the companion district that - C 1 a that is specifically residential where C 1 A's intent is commercial you could do residential under C 1 B so there really isn't the need if you want to look it that way for to go to C 1 a just because the numbers and letters are closest I mean those two categories are close they're very different categories the in a rezoning one of the things you're supposed to demonstrate is why you have to rezone it you know where's the error where's the change in circumstances and that's not recognized if you talk about C 1 a at this location because it can be developed residentially right now under its current zoning so again there I just don't understand using c1a just because you can make this building fit c1a doesn't mean that's the appropriate bar to compare this project to we look at what's the big problem that's gonna happen if we went see one a at this location it's not whether they're gonna sue or not that's up to them it's small potatoes compared to the city if we go campus business zoning c 1 a or c when they are at this location the city's setting them up for yourselves up for a lawsuit similar to a cottages lawsuit or the weber peter's building lawsuit where you are not gonna have a chance to win your city attorneys gonna tell you that you're gonna lose and you're gonna have to not fight it because some big pocket developer is gonna come in with a c 1 a or c 1 a are you're all gonna be horrified at it and you're not gonna be able to say no we cannot let c 1 a and C where they are out of the box thank you good evening technically you've already had 10 right because I want to speak to now is some of the stuff in this neighborhood so I'll try to get into 3 so it won't Pete I should I understand that you know when you look on paper there's a theoretical application of a seat 1a but we have to deal with the real world and in the real world there's not enough people on City Council who believe that C 1 a is appropriate for this site so I I would constantly to realize that in the real world which is where we have to function c 1a we tried it it was told we were told it's not gonna work we couldn't get the votes to with the project so we don't believe c 1a is a viable path because we've been shown that it isn't in terms of the beneficial effects the zoning ordinance lists that physical characteristics design features or amenities post shall have a beneficial effect of the city in terms of public health safety welfare aesthetics or convenience or any combination of these there's definitely a public health benefit here because we're removing tons and tons and tons of contaminated soil through the project and then we're putting down a vapor barrier to prevent water from leaching into there any remaining contaminants and pushing that towards the river so there's a definite public health benefit from this project moving forward as a PUD in a reduction of contaminants in the city and migration of contaminants it is we think it qualifies under aesthetics because we have used a pallet of materials that are common to the district and thus enhancing the neighborhood as opposed to using you know corrugated metal siding or some other material that was not aesthetically compatible with the neighborhood it certainly qualifies them to the convenience for the people who will live there because in addition to the bicycle parking we provided they don't have to have a car to move around the city these people will be able to live downtown use public transportation reduce their carbon footprint all these beneficial effects are crewed to the to the project and we've outlined those in our application in terms of the affordable housing contribution you may remember when counsel told us that bring it back as a PFD in August the basis for calculating the residential densities of a project and therefore the contributions required was based on underlying maximum density allowed in the zoning district that was the underlying zoning district there is no maximum underlying zoning density in this district if you could have a 10 square foot apartment you could have 85 over the month on the project so we looked at what it would cost as a contribution for a single unit about 700 square feet that calculation was eighty eight thousand two hundred and that's the amount of money that developers have proposed to contribute towards the affordable component thank you anyone else wishing to address the Planning Commission regards to this item see no one I will close the public hearing and I will read the motion the in Arbor City Planning Commission hereby recommends that the mayor and city council approve the garnet Planned Unit development PUD zoning district and supplemental regulations PD site plan and development agreement move by Commissioner Mills seconded by Commissioner recommend and we are in discussion canister Ackerman Thank You mr. chair thank you to the members of the community and to the development team for coming back out tonight thanks to to miss Thatcher for her review I'm not gonna speak too much to substance I think there are hours of footage online of us deliberating this very site in this very project so feel free to log online and watch all of it I do want to set some tone in context but first I do want to address some of the comments you made towards city staff we have a tremendously professional civil service here in the city of Ann Arbor who does their jobs exceedingly well and in response to the direction of the elected body City Council I think miss Thatcher and her team did a good job and an appropriate job in this case while I don't agree with their findings I think it was professionally prepared and delivered to put any conspiracies to rest planning staff attempted to get this project to the finish line and in fact they did and the City Council a group of elected officials voted it down giving this very direction so to say that city staff was working to harm or to delay a local developer while affording other luxuries to out-of-state developers is not fair so I just want to set that record straight now back to my intended comments about toning context this is a good project it was a good project when we saw to see when they are it's a good project as a PUD I voted for this project twice and I will be voting for it twice again I think it's a good project because it places residents closer to where they work it's within a walking proximity of the two largest employers in the county to the largest employers in southeastern Michigan that takes cars off the road when people can walk to work that takes cars off the road which reduces congestion and emissions something that we all strive for it respects the Carytown and the old 4th wars historic character and its design and its building materials it cleans up a contaminated site and it offers green features like a large number of bike spaces a green roof and energy-efficient design and so with that I'll leave it there I'm sure colleagues have comments or questions but I intend to vote for this time Commissioner Mills thank you far more eloquently than I could say it so thank you I I come to the same conclusion in terms of I think the standards that we have but I don't disagree with the staff report but I think that the remediation features or the site remediation and the green roof in itself are beneficial here again I go back to the record I thought this was fine the first time you see it I think it's fine the second time I really have questions though about the affordable housing contribution and both between the staff report and kind of what was just said what is that I know the PUD calls for that that if if it exceeds the underlying you know density that that there should that it must there must be a contribution and so can you help us understand how you arrived at the number I've got the way that I would have arrived at it but I want to hear it from staff too hang on one second while I find that small piece of paper alright so the underlying zone you're doing floor area density is is a hundred and fifty percent this beauty request is for two hundred percent because that fifty percent difference is larger than twenty five percent they are required to provide the equivalent of are probably 15 percent of the floor area and apply that to the affordable housing ratio what you get is 15 percent of ten units is 1.5 units times a hundred and what's the dollars per square foot again I don't have a calculator I'd do this backwards 186 that doesn't sound right here 126 it's a hundred and twenty-six dollars per square foot times 1.5 units times the average floor area of the units which in this case was one thousand four hundred and seventy something square feet that's how the number in the staff report came about clear as mud is that the same so the I the kind of how you arrived at 15% basing it on the underlying FA are because there is no overall housing density it's really correct in the in the c 1b which it currently is and in the PUD it's effectively as much as you know as many units as you can get into that square footage right the existing maximum residential density there is no maximum and there is no minimum right so if they the building proposed would have been 150 FA are then or sorry yeah like then there would be no there would be no exceeding the underlined density so I get how that is the 46 I make because it's 196 right so the 46 divided by 150 gets you it's 31 percent over the underlying fa r so like that puts you into the territory of needing to go you need to provide 15% yeah I usually have to go all the way to 200% because that's what the PUD supplemental breaks say ah thank you all right so then yes your death your at 33% Yeah right yeah so the and so that's how that's how I write it to the the number the $126 per square foot is said not it are so many coordinates but that's by council in a different document is that right yep and that was most recently updated in August of 2019 got it and and the 1.5 units kind of is making sense yeah that's that's the 15% of 10 units and then is the average for area because I think that that's one of the probably what some of the difference is right is is the decision to multiply it by the average square footage for a unit is that spelled out in the council resolution about how you calculate the contribution in lieu or that is now part of code that was adopted by City Council in November that's a different that that's in the that's in the PUD section of code not in that's not part of the affordable housing resolution that was passed by Council setting the rates etc got it slowly app so the so that number is it's in here and okay because they were there's a couple different like I guess I'm unsure at this point what exactly what kind of contribution they are supposed to be made because I understand because they because council asked instructed them to go the PUD route that what comes along with that is a contribution to the work force providing affordable housing right if it exceeds the underlying affair that I don't dispute that I think that that is the correct interpretation I guess what I'm unclear about is I the petitioner is saying one number and I read something different in the staff report and then there's a letter that says that provide fulfilled observer so I'm confused as to what it is right now so something that the petitioner said may think make more sense of this to me tonight they had proposed a number that was eighty eight thousand two hundred and that comes from the City Council August resolution it was an example of one way using two thousand eighteen numbers a different method of calculating an affordability gap in in housing it's it's it's spelled out in the City Council resolution for a unit of seven hundred square feet using two thousand eighteen numbers it's just an example it's not what was adopted just just see okay perfect we were we were not approved in August that was the only number that was available in August when we were told to proceed with the PUD that was the number of my clients went back and ran through their financial calculations and determined they could make the project work with that donation the subsequent changes which came in November were not what my clients had anticipated what when they were told by counsel in August to make this path and input important a fact you may remember I referenced that 88 that was the 215th when when you're here for the priests middle conference because that was available in August and November yet when they precisely right so that's there's the discontinuity is what has happened over time between one council said no go this way and then when council adopted and you for me a lot in November yeah got it I don't know yes please clarify one more piece of this the November ordinance changes clarified the ordinance they didn't change it they clarified what had already been going on with using floor area in residential projects in zones that aren't zoned residential it didn't change anything it just clarified the the method to that to make it easier for people to sort out what to do with underlying residential zoning and what to do with all other underlying zonings if you're building residential okay and I realize that that doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now unless you're actually looking at both of them but but it was really meant as a clarification it did not change the code or the method that had been used previously so this has got to be frustrating but it's got to be frustrating right this is something that like the building hasn't changed right but but in order to use the zone that you were instructed to use there are criteria right that you have that have to be met and like I said the the this is where I would disagree with staff in terms of I think that there are some additional benefits that are provided by this building that honestly were offered the first time around right I'm just saying like it's above and beyond what was required the first time around the remediation and the green room right and so I think it's a legit account that as the benefits towards the beauty but I think the thing that we have to sort out is the is the affordable housing component and from my perspective like that's what we require of all beauties like I I don't see away and I don't think I wouldn't want to set the precedent of changing that I don't think again I would have approved I did suggest to improve this without that and so that's what's really frustrating because adding $200,000 on to the top of this does nothing to increase affordability and work sure it's added money to our affordable housing fund and cat-back but it's making these units more expensive so this is something that I'm personally struggling with and I'm sorry that I'm channeling my like unfortunate like that this is the kind of place that we're at so I don't know what we're voting on tonight it's it's making the assumption of the calculation of 200 the 200 number that you came up with with this bed the staff came on what based on what's in there yep and the I guess the question kind of took to the petitioner is like do you still wants to go forward can you still actually do because I don't see how we can change that so the project can't happen with a size of contribution at that level there's that's a negative profit for the developer they wouldn't be able to do the project so it would mean zero units okay no affordable no nothing yeah ah I so yeah what I'm just saying is like I what we're what we can vote on is what it what's in there now and I would say that if we're going to be consistent and applying this I do think that there's the benefits but we need to be consistent on the affordable housing so I think it meets the affordable housing I will plan to hope yes I like again wonderful did you know I did last year so miss Thatcher so what we're voting for I just want to be clear the the number is 200 and so for the development agreement and per report 279,000 $78 is what's going to be contributed to the affordable housing phone is that correct yes if City Council wants to address that or any other changes to this petition that is up to them but really the that package is what you all are board and tonight great thank you Commissioner Evans um but we're voting on that but the petitioner is telling us that that number is not acceptable but we disregard that input or I just need a little guidance from staff about this I don't know how to sew it this body can't change the code you can write and and yes there is a disconnect here between what the developers would like to contribute and what the formula is saying they need to contribute so but but what they need to contribute and what's in development agreement and what's in the staff report is what is the starting place because again you can't change what's required by code as the Planning Commission right so who does the petitioner want us to vote on a proposal that includes a two hundred and seventy nine thousand dollar contribution that's what that's what we're voting on mr.
Moore if that's your only option yes please vote okay uh there would be an option to the table potentially right or you still couldn't change it well right it is what it is by law it is the number is what the number is I suppose it would give ya an opportunity for the petitioner to some yeah that doesn't okay so I I'm one of the new faces that you referred to earlier I wasn't here the first time that this came before the Commission so I've been trying to sort through the backstory and I just wanted to make sure that I understand correctly that there's a lot of talk tonight about c1 a but it's actually see when it's not on the table as far as I understand it it's currently zoned c1 B and the reason why C 1 B is insufficient wasn't addressed tonight but my understanding is that that is because there's a building height limit to C 1 B of 50 feet and four storeys and the application for the PUD is so that you can build a taller building is that correct and total floor area so we 150 so it's those two parameters that unless jill has other but those are the two parameters and when the setbacks is it safe to assume that at with those restrictions the developer would not build this project correct correct okay mr.
Ackerman Thanks a question for Miss Thatcher on November 4th of last year City Council passed a set of zoning reforms aimed at helping affordable housing the PUD changing the formula was one of those also in the implementation of that ordinance we talked about allowing projects that were already in the pipeline to continue with regulations as they existed prior to November 4 yeah would this be included in that it would not we figured that out today and email it to the petitioners I'm sorry I don't have it in front of me but the effective date was I think 10 or 15 days there was an effective date of the ordinance there was a number of days within that date which you could Brad do you have it with you the email I don't ok it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't meet the bandwidth that City Council laid out for projects that were already in the works when was this submitted so that's number 20 so let me let me just they're just dates right so we had a pre-submitted meeting with staff on the 23rd of August then to set up the pre petition conference before this body which was the next step in the PUD on the 15th of October and then then with the blessing of both the staff and this body we then submitted the application for site plan approval and rezoning in November of 19th I think it was I think that that date of the adoption of the change or clarification dependent upon semantics of the calculation the formulae happened between the pre petition conference that we had here and the formal application so it really depends on what you define is the pipeline because there's no way to get to that application process until you do those other two first steps which are outlined in the code so we actually began the steps in August and then with the next step was denied final step was after a time when the council changed or clarified the formula so what when we are in the pipeline is what about them I think thank thanks for the clarification that's really unfortunate that's really unfortunate and frustrating this is a good project and neighbors like it I think if we vote to recommend this miss Thatcher is there any way that we can give direction between now and when it appears on a city council agenda to to figure out some way to get closer to that eighty eight thousand two hundred number I don't know if it's by re-examining submission date and what the definition of that is I don't know if it's I think that's probably the best legal route but yeah we've we've looked at that we're happy to go over it with the City Attorney's Office and get their opinion on it before it comes back it may be a difference in definitions of when a project is accepted yeah I don't want to open the floodgate to every single petitioner in town saying that there can exist under the old zoning code because it's much more permissive when it comes to affordable housing but this this this is really unfortunate so I think my preference would be if we do if we I mean either way we're gonna move this forward either as a denial or a recommendation of denial or approval but I think some direction also that is to staff to to speak with the Sergi attorney's office to try to get closer that 88 200 as governed by law prior to November 4th mature males the only the only concern that I have about sending that kind of message overall there's been a lot of talk I think particularly as we as it relates to our one or sorry cc1 a is about precedent-setting and I worry about precedent-setting of changing the affordability formula so I again I don't want like if there's if this if this fits that loophole just right and this is like the one thing I think I don't want to stand in the way of that I think that that makes a lot of sense I want to make sure though that we know where he won't be UD is about right and and what pewdie is supposed to be for and if there are as you just recommended or as you just noted like if there's if we open it too wide and it oh and it or it sends the message that this is something that can be skirted that's not what PG is intended for like that's that's not that's not an intention so I want to make sure that that doesn't set fortunate precedent there commissure brings could you just describe a little bit more the in terms of the PUD benefit around the remediation and kind of how that factored into staff considerations so certainly for mediation is a benefit to the public in this case the remediation that's proposed here is the same remediation that was under the previous plan there was not any additional benefit provided by this remediation over that one possibly it could be defined as a public benefit but there wasn't any backup information provided on that so I would like to know more if if that was going to be taken into consideration or you know just what that remediation means what they're taking out how much of it how much it's gonna cost things like that and the other thing is stormwater the green roof that's provided is great we love green roofs but one of the reasons that it's being provided is to meet the minimum threshold for stormwater because we this site that can't utilize infiltration because of the contaminants because it can't go through the ground it's got to go through something else and they're choosing to do it through the green roof so it's that one can't really be counted as an additional beneficial effect of the project because so if in just a second um if this had been the first time that you had seen this project if you hadn't seen this come in under a different request previously how would remediation generally be treated I mean is this I'm trying to understand this time from a precedent-setting perspective and I mean that seems like the largest public benefit with this project and so just trying to under understand better how you think through this process yeah so certainly if if remediation were proposed as a PUD benefit and more information were supplied about that it would not be me who was reviewing that information the one thing it would be somebody from the environmental staff perhaps who would give us feedback on what's been proposed and and the merits of that and and so if this were a first-time project that it's the sort of thing that would be considered on the other hat and though you you you want to keep in mind that if there's something like parking required as part of the project and they've got to put it somewhere and they choose to put it under the building at some point it's tough to call that sort of voluntary remediation well no actually it's it's it's a it's a tightrope that you walk there what are they have to do anyway and what is really going above and beyond what an average site plan would have to read did you like to elaborate we could easily do the project without the green room we could we could handle our storm water detention in the subterranean tank that was above the level of where those remediation had occurred and it could be sealed we in fact did that type of stormwater management on the yard or down on South Main Street because that was also contaminated site you can't infiltrate because of contamination you just over sized Restorick litre capacity so in fact we've evaluated the opportunity of not putting the green roof on saving the cost of all of that and just doing an underground tank so we actually are doing something over and above okay can you discuss the remediation yes so the contaminated soils are going to be removed down to a level below the foundation system then below that is a mat if you will of pervious material crushed stone which has ventilation pipes in it and on top of that then you put a barrier that's impervious to both gases that might come out of soil and also water them.i each down and push the contamination elsewhere so you've got the barrier installed below the building level and then you can strut the footings and the building and then you bring in clean soil to put around the building plant the new plants in so that that contamination doesn't find its weight off the site anymore because there's no that is pressure to push it away on the neighboring properties are down a gradient to the river so it it does offer that benefit to the public is this remediation something that we'd need to be done if this project was something entirely different you know for example but since I don't understand this process particularly well if you could talk me through maybe another type of project it wouldn't require this remediation well so if we proposed non-residential uses the levels of remediation are much lower then they are for places where people are gonna live so we chosen under the existing zoning yeah because it has it has the commercial zoning which allows non-residential uses offices stores gas stations probably dispensaries yeah so it has a non it has a zoning which great thank you and as we are doing thank you for being back here I know that this is a difficult situation that everybody's in and once again for those who have spoken to us tonight um it's already been said but I really think staff is stuck in in an awkward place and I really don't think that they deserve any grief for this they're doing their best to implement the policy that has been set by City Council and also to follow those directives and this was approved you know you know was came with the staff recommendation of approval our body has already approved it once it's being sent back to consider under different as a PUD and that comes with the requirements and so I appreciate the very difficult place that they are in and thank you very much Jill for being willing to go through this again as well so and that's not to say that city council wasn't potentially right to send it back if that would if they believed that it was not propria in Category however I it seems to me that there's enough public benefit in terms of the remediation and the more information I'm getting on the green roof it sounds like maybe more information would be warranted as it moves forward as well to help elaborate on those benefits more substantially as it moves forward to City Council as a whole if it does but I staff has a certain calculation that they are required to use for affordable housing and so unless there's some other formula that gets worked out that that seems like what's appropriate and that was the consequence of sending it back sure Gabe Randall you know this pollinator opportunity but actually a massive thing that I think we should consider for other future potential storm water management and zoning in the downtown is that they are amazing and I would suggest that you figure out what you're saving in terms of your energy cost and efficiencies in this next step should it happen because they really are quite incredible for that and that completely aligns with what we are trying to do for our carbon neutrality goals and I applaud you for using it on this building and I hope that other people hear this and think about using it on their own because it has so many co benefits that I think are really important the other piece is that I in my mind feel that the earlier submission of the PUD that came to us in some ways is what should be considered as the date because they they wouldn't if that's really the necessary first step in order for them to be able to move on and that they couldn't have come to like it if that formula had changed before then then that may have had a different result for them and so I feel like it's that and and I I think again we're all in an awkward place echo everything that everybody is saying in terms of supporting staff but also realizing this is this is really difficult and but I also would be curious to know if there truly are other projects that fit this loophole or not which I doubt in terms of just all of the order of events that have happened with this but in my mind I think it's that PUD meeting with us in some ways that really triggers some of this and from me I feel like that would be the reason to be able to think about the calculations in a different way because they weren't clarified so I feel like everybody gets to hang their hat in that scenario in some ways because again I don't think they would have come before us with that change of beauty if that formula had been clarified and the reason that it was clarified is because it was unclear people you know so it was difficult for people to figure out what to do and if they had an example and that's what they could use and that's what they could use so I think this is a good project I think it totally fits in the area I will be voting for it tonight and I feel like there are business to do so I'm sure Sylvain I was gonna piggyback off of that looking at the PD application itself which is signed and notarized it's dated of October 15th that they met with us so these aren't casual dates either that meet what our pre and post you know this new adoption in November is for these calculations like there are dates that are part of the process that are benchmark into this application that we can align with but sets that precedent and maybe it's a small loophole but as long as they're states that stick and it's not about people casually saying oh we had a meeting at the city but these are signed and notarized dates as the application so it seems like a pretty strict way to say this was before versus after so I would be interested in staff kind of reevaluating what those fixed dates are along the way and how they're reviewed because I know you can like postmark a postcard whenever you want for you know to send it today or send it tomorrow but there are certain dates that are kind of set here those post marks are also federally stamped so like those are regulated dates too so yeah I'm on board with really looking at those dates and figure you know this the sweet spot of what we are setting for precedent for this and other ones but I'm not interested in the negotiating somewhere between the 88,000 the 279,000 like whatever that equation is I think that's what I'm interested in seeing happen so I'm interested I'm voting tonight for this this to move forward I know that we're at the higher end of the number but really what I'm I would be voting for is that the math be applied appropriately for that affordable housing yeah I do I sit like staff is in a situation where looking at C 1 a you know was on the table it it was evaluated to not fit because C 1 a isn't an appropriate zoning and everywhere in the city and so the agenda that the city staff had was to the look at what is appropriate and not it was not to deter any other efforts in the city I believe that they're just trying to look at things appropriately and not in any that sort of context so I think actually my biggest question is peu DS when we talk about this type of zoning or for a pine zoning for master plan and if like a zoning area in the future through a master plan happened and the pewdie matched that like what's a retroactive pewdie falling into a zoning district or is it always a pewdie it remains that pewt zoning district hello Ezra zoned to another PD zoning district or or panel on a zoning district right if this building were built under a PUD zoning ordinance and then 30 years from now the site was to be redeveloped and someone wanted to clear the land and start over and change the zoning to you know r1z future zoning district they could do that what if they wanted to do what if through like the master planning process we put a zoning in this area that would have mapped over the PUD and it's new and so it's safe 250% if they are and the setbacks everything match and so this property could come back to add an additional floor and then opt to Zone in with that building or something so the same thing would still apply the PUD zoning district would have to be amended but the master plan process will figure out future land uses and and densities that are appropriate and if it were different for this area then this PUD the zoning wouldn't immediately be changed to manage that so it would be inappropriate it like if the master plan called for an appropriate zoning if there's an appropriate zoning category this could then rezone into that appropriate thing from a PUD possibly by undertaking the entire PUD process over again right yeah yeah yeah and that's yeah I'm just thinking of like why this doesn't fit into any sort of zoning right now like if it fit into some sort of zoning category we had and you know why we're at the PUD state and then what the future of this site is right and the precedent of oh we're so close to having a zoning category but we've got a PUD and so I'm just thinking I don't think that's a detriment to moving this project forward I think it's a good project but it is kind of one of those circumstances that from right on the edge of zoning category need meeting something and then switching into a PUD I think that's where staff has led to that denial Commissioner Mills I really appreciate like all the commissioners here because I think you bring up ideas that are really fantastic one of the things that are so big question brought up in my mind and I think that this is really important to send along is that if this does get rezone if if it happened you know regardless of what this body does right it's up to City Council to decide whether or not to rezone this but a City Council razones that as the PUD with the calculation towards affordable housing that they can't afford nothing can be developed on this except for exactly what we see because that is one of the things that for better for worse you get with a PUD is only exactly what you see and so I think that that's it just let the notes reflect that it's really really important to know that and that's not the case in our standard districts and I think that is among the reasons that our zoning ordinance says it should only be stones as a PUD if it can't fit in one the other districts because commissioners will be off to talk about adaptive reuse and that's not doable in the beauty commissioner Hammond so the City Council amendment that was adopted on November 4 says site plan petitions received and accepted by the city that are currently under review by the city as of the publication date of this ordinance shall be exempt from the terms of this ordinance amendment and shall be reviewed under all ordinances in effect as of the publication date of this ordinance so the ordinance was published on November 7 and the garnet pewdie application was submitted on November 20 I was uploaded to track it and would have been accepted for review sometime after I also agree that it shouldn't be anything in the middle but I would just think this process not only started this fall this was I mean I don't I would assume that if you do that you were gonna go through all of this and had to pay two hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars when you initially apply for this things would have been back like at birth in this project and as I was not here at the initial c1a approval but I followed along and I was here on October I think this is a great project and I would love to find a way to actually get it built one thing I wanted to clarify it with you you said you could do a storm water tank in the garage and then the Greeners would be above and beyond that already do anything or no no is that we could do this underground detention tank in lieu of I'm trying to think of ways I think there are things that I'm struggling with a little bit is that we approve a PD when there's no other zoning categories staff is saying but there is another Zone in Category it City Council saying we're not going to use that seven category do we just throw that out that doesn't exist and now we're saying because there is enough c1a it has to be okay so just a couple of comments for me so when I got the staff report I was you know obviously when I started reading I saw denied I actually thought I was reading the wrong document at first I was really surprised by that but then further reading the staff report and understanding the rationale behind why they did what they did I understand it and I supported a hundred percent hi you were put in a really difficult situation Miss Thatcher and mr.
Leonard and I completely understand I support a hundred percent of of the position that you've taken on this with that said miss Anderson I'm sorry on behalf of me and me alone I'm sorry that you're here and you've been here so many times and you have my sincere sincere apologies what I can say is that I supported this project previously and I will continue supporting this project and I hope that City Council ultimately does support and I'm gonna think happy thoughts that between now and the time it lands on City Council's table that the affordable housing contribution will be worked out and it will be worked out in the favor of the smaller number so but on behalf of me and me alone I'm sorry Commissioner Briggs just a couple more things on the public benefits just for the future given the location of this I don't see there's a lot of discussion in the attachment on the pd development program about sort of the walkability and bikeability of the area that is inherent in the location and so it's very difficult for me to see that as a public benefit any development that is put into that location will fit that and and it's sort of inherent in building these walkable bikable communities that we have and so that's sort of the substance of the benefits and I think it's the next paragraph which isn't elaborated on as much where the real substance of this project in terms of being able to justify this as a PUD is there one thing that hasn't been mentioned but that is in the report that I think is notable because we discuss it is that each part car parking space will be prepped for electric vehicle charging stations in an effort to encourage use of electric vehicles which is something that we've been talking about requiring in the future and so that's that's ahead of the curve in that so that is extra and something that is of public benefit so thanks for doing that and thinking ahead on that respect mister aprons I just wanted to also share that I that I kind of sympathize with all the parties involved in this incredibly complex I've been trying to figure out how to thread the needle and I'm reading over and over again this description in the code about the standards for PUD review anyone wants page 202 in the EDC but and it and it says so the beneficial effect for the city shall be one that could not be achieved under any other zoning classification and as as far as I can understand it the one thing that could not be achieved under any other zoning classification other than c1 a which has been denied is the density right so not the green roof I think not the walkability I agree with the comment about that not the remediation those things could be achieved under another zoning classification and then it goes on to say and it shall be one that is not required to be provided under any existing standard regulation or ordinance so that would also take affordable housing out I think is a public benefit so I feel like what I'm left with is the density and in my mind that's enough and I plan to support the project but if I'm if I may be trying to offer a City Council also a way to thread the needle or some ideas about how they might conceive of the public benefit I would argue that the that the density is one because we have a housing shortage and we need more housing thanks further discussion see you none all those in favor please say aye opposed it's proved moving on to item 9b an amendment to chapter 55 unified development Code sections 5.2 9.6 a plans 5.2 9.7 area plans and 5.2 9.8 required plan information we will staff report this someone is blissfully straightforward we're taking the requirements for site plans out of the site plan section requirements for what shows up on area plans out of the area plan section all of the little here and there references to special exception uses and what they're required to show we're putting it all in one new section 5.2 8.8 required plan information with a new handy-dandy table telling you exactly which sheets you'll need to put with which site plans it does not change any of the code requirements it's strictly a reshuffling of the existing information thank you at this time I'd like to open up the public hearing on this item if anyone in the audience wishes to address the Planning Commission please step up to the podium state your name and address for the record and you'll have up to three minutes to address the Planning Commission seeing no one I'll close the public hearing and I will read the motion you know the in Arbor City Planning Commission hereby recommends that the mayor and city council approved the February 12 February 4th 2020 direction amendments to chapter 55 unified development code sections section 5.2 9.6 site plan an and 5.2 9.7 area plans and add a new section 5.2 9.8 required plant information to reorganize code requirements for all types of site plans and area plans move by Commissioner Mills seconded by Commissioner survey discussion mr.
Briggs just a quick question um I understand it's a reorganization and it's not changing anything but if we I think this came up before but just to refresh my memory if we wanted to change any of the standards that for example it went into the transportation piece of it or something how would that what would that process looked like it would be similar to what this one is going through you know it would go through the the ordinance review committee and then it would come to this body and then for recommendation to City Council it would certainly probably have a lot more discussion but otherwise are you aware of a chance of anything that's come out of the Transportation Plan Update or any that any of the discussions that might inform whether the requirements that we currently have are the appropriate ones I'm not aware of those discussions No okay thanks mr.
Gibb Randall a heartfelt thank you to reorganization of all of this it was so scattered and confusing before and it's somebody who's used it on the other side it's just so wonderful to have it all in one place so clearly organized so thank you for your effort commissure aprons I just I think is it supposed to be five 29.8 yes there's a document that we received says five to twenty eight yeah you're right okay okay we'll fix that before it gets to Council awesome thank you all those in favor please say aye opposed it's Brut thank you all right moving on to 1780s our Church Road annexation and Zoning for City Council approval we'll begin with staff report this is a very straightforward rezoning and annexation sorry it's sorry I don't mean to be harping on the straightforward stuff just trying to get my slide show to play but my mouses I'll just talk about it this is a let's it's a point seven four acre site that's currently in the township on sy o Church Road east of South maple to the mallets Creek Watershed and there's a 2500 47 square foot house on the lot it's proposed to be a breeze owned to r1c single-family dwelling district thank you and you'll see that it's got a house it's a pretty large lot all around it is residential and the zoning map is kind of remarkable in that every single thing on here is our 1c until you get down to the public land the west area plan recommends residential use for the site 50 feet of the right-of-way for Scioto Road as measured from the center line will have to be granted to the city in a manner determined by the City Attorney's Office that's pretty standard a lot of township lots were drawn right to the center line of the road instead of outside of the right-of-way and staff supports the proposed r1c zoning because it's consistent with the surrounding land uses and recommendations of the West area plan at the Sun I'd like to open up a public hearing and anyone in the audience who wishes to address the Planning Commission you may step up to the podium state your name and address for the record and you'll have up to three minutes to address the Planning Commission I think I'm the petitioner though I'm Sara Lorenz my husband and I own this property and we had been told that this would be annexed automatically in August under with a large number of parcels that were supposed to be automatically annexed and then all kinds of interesting things happened where people apparently put up a huge human cry about that happening to theirs and we were looking forward to ours being annexed automatically and free and so instead it was not annexed and so now we will pay the $1500 and hope that it will be annexed now so that we can build a house thank you thank you is there anyone else who wishes to address the Planning Commission in regards to this item see no one I will close the public hearing and I'll read the motion being over the inner BER City Planning Commission hereby recommends that the mayor and city council approved the Kappos o annexation and r1c single-family dwelling district zoning move by Commissioner Mills seconded by Commissioner Abrams we are in discussion Commissioner Mills sir I'm sorry Commissioner give Randall so we got an interesting correspondence around this thing in terms of the the nature of the true property line here and I'm just wondering from staff you know with these annexations do they do a real-deal boundary survey with this or is this something that it's just kind of taken off the city GIS because with the real dough powdery survey you're gonna know where that property line actually is they do do a real boundary survey and the fence did show up on the neighbor's property who wrote the letter okay so is what the neighbor saying he correct in that it looks like they own more property than what kind of appears if you're sitting there on the land because this defense often sits right in the property line yes that's very likely okay yeah I haven't been out there myself but yeah if the fence is too far back on the neighbor's property then Brett Leonard correspondent with the neighbors about things that they could do to try to address that and working with the property owners and and coming to some resolution about either who owns the fence or moving it or you know I'm not sure what they desired the outcome to be but it's but it's not it's not that there's more property that they're somehow getting by having a fence on the neighbor's property right so if you wouldn't mind coming back up again so you're aware of this discrepancy that the neighbor is bringing up then so we purchased the property on a land contract and the people that we purchased it from told us that there was an older complaint from a neighbor about a fence and so I don't do you know when that correspondence was is there more recent it just came in like today or yesterday okay yeah so that's new to me we had known that there was some but we I think we can take care of that when we do any construction there's a very very old subject field that is failing that is going to need to be removed so there's gonna be a fair amount of work that needs to be done there so I'm sure we can come to some resolution about the fence okay because there's there's the nature of what this the neighbor is questioning is that an a previous owner was cantankerous and that kind of required them to build a fence that was really on their property instead of kind of on the line because he asserted that he owned that which he probably didn't it sounds like corniness but it would be nice to be able to have this kind of settled in terms of what the real deal property yeah we had a steak survey done so there are stakes that was just done recently okay so you're aware of where your corners are and all that sort of thing okay so we have our loot sorbet with the stakes and so we can figure out a solution with the neighbor okay mr.
Mill's right because there's different ordinances in the township versus the city just as an understanding of how that works I'm going to put in a new layman's terms but you can correct me if I'm wrong they become non-conforming like this is not the only situation where we can explain into the city where you know there might be a garage that's too close to the property line and so there are rules that our zoning ordinance spells out about at what point like you can rebuild in that same footprint or you can't effectively and so that's just something to keep in mind a general like for everybody's benefit like just because you have it there now doesn't mean you can totally tear it down and rebuild in the very same place so non-conforming measure breaks I just want to say thanks for coming tonight and paying the city $1500 for a nice two hour meeting on the garnet and welcome to the city I have one question miss Thatcher can this property be divided based on if it's owned r1c don't believe it can let's see the lot area is 32,000 103 square feet it's just that well that was my only question so I could keep going for for a while does anyone else have anything they'd like to welcome to the city so the minimum lot size for our 1c districts is 7,200 square feet with a minimum lot width of 60 feet this lot with is 137 feet so yeah you could conceivably divides a lot obviously you'd have to tear down the house that's in the middle of it but yeah that's a possibility Wow so it could become too lots as I correct I'm probably more than that if you with 60 60 80 20 have you been easement for access for rear Lots you couldn't maybe get four maybe maybe all right further discussion all those in favor please say aye hi opposed it's proof thank you all right we are now at audience participation this is an opportunity that anybody in the audience who wishes to address the Planning Commission about anything at all including what we've discussed today or anything else you can step up to the podium say your name and address for the record and you can address the Planning Commission for up to three minutes seeing no one will move on to Commission proposed business do you have a motion to adjourn move back Monsieur Mills seconded by Commissioner Sauve we are adjourned thank you you
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all right we'll start with me a rule of the agenda oh you do yeah Allison buck yeah Deborah Mexica here Jonah copy here Colleen Crawley David Issa absent John Qatar ski here very people here Sophie grow brilliant girl a Peggy you Warner Leonard Leonard here you have a quorum Oh councilmember excuse me now we will do the approval of the agenda moot second any discussion hi great now we have time for public comment my name is Heidi trudell technically I live in MC but I was invited to speak this evening about bus shelters specifically but my background is with bird collisions so everyone knows that birds hit Windows and it's incredibly preventable so with bus shelters because they're small they're isolated you can turn all of them into art projects that then don't kill birds so the average bus shelter assuming that it's clear glass kills anywhere from 1 to 10 birds per year and unfortunately because this is what I do the stats on this are actually really depressing about 20% of what I pick up is hummingbirds yeah another 40% are a mixture of Warblers thrush is only about 15% or resident species like chickadees and some of the woodpeckers but yeah so what I'm trying to do kind of as a side project with Washtenaw safe passage is work on a certification for window artists to actually get certified in painting window art that's birds safe so that just means that any gaps in their art are pretty much no larger than 2 by 2 or 2 by 4 inches and so there's plenty of room for creativity you can use perforated vinyl not so perforated vinyl paint like it can be multi media obviously but yeah the sky is the limit and this is something that is being researched in Oklahoma right now but they're using this standard 2x2 inch spacing for little tiny white vinyl dots which is pretty boring but these are the kind of options that building owners and managers are looking at when they have windows that are being hit by birds so that is why I'm here and I don't know if you'll have any questions I sent Sophie a pile of links and descriptions about more of this but I'm not sure how else I can help you hi Heidi we met on the street do you remember that sounds about right you remember me as being part of the brush monkeys so that was on the street and Ipsy was not on the close side of the street was that the realty office okay at the building that is abandoned right now but Owen might be it's up for rent so feel free to reach out to me if we can help in any way I have an email that's half composed here you I'm still trying to get a little bit more wording in the certification okay thing but yeah having an artist's interpretation of this will probably be a very handy editing process I had a question to have you identified how many bus stops you're looking at are just preliminary literally every bus stop that has glass is a potential problem I'm based in epsy but my most recent batch of emails was with the city of Detroit I think they were looking at a hundred and fifty bus shelters this is something that I think is really cool because you can have either schools or Scout groups or businesses in the area sponsor bus art which is then free PR for them and it's good green PR for the city I don't know what Detroit's gonna do with that I'm on the board for Detroit ottoman and it's it's a really strange combination of Detroit is a certified urban bird treaty city which means that they have a US Fish and Wildlife designation basically recognizing that as a city they are working towards making their area safer for birds I don't know if that's been approached necessarily because right now I guess the transportation person is an interim person okay but that's that's part of what we're looking at as as far as looking at Ann Arbor goes I don't know it's really crowded here so I try to stand it sorry I lived in a town of 430 people before I moved here yeah we're still not that big of town but but bigger than that it seems to me and I'm just kind of tossing it out there that this might have some opportunities for youth project perhaps you know and I know that the certification there are some requirements but I think that we could certainly work collaboratively on whatever those projects might be and I think this idea of a vinyl actually does sound you know pretty interesting apart from a Laura mural so maybe it's something that one of the committees could look into and I'm looking at you use art because I think that that might be a nice place for this to at least start being thought about as a way to sort of be an engagement project I did email AATA I want to say in 2016 so I monitor the Ypsilanti district library for bird collisions they kill about a hundred Birds a year that we know of I had gotten a report of a bird that had their bus shelter when I reached out to AATA the response was we will check and we will address anything if we find out that there is a problem so not optimal but so if I can chime in I was just gonna add to that councilmember for Ward five here and welcome appreciate you bringing this up to our attention but Matt Carpenter is a CEO at triple-a ta he's pretty responsive and and that's who as a staff has indicated operating on maintain those bus stops throughout not just me and I were but in Ypsilanti as well as you know so I would recommend reaching out to Matt Carpenter I know the Downtown Development Authority holds you know a meeting called the partnerships committee meeting every other month and it's not it's at a convenient time it's usually in the morning on a weekday second worth it Wednesday second Wednesday I believe we might be even meeting this upcoming Wednesday the 12th at 150 North 5th Ave third floor about 9:00 a.m.
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but we get together community partners and talk about collaborating on many different things so those are the two entities that I think along with this body can help assist and and getting it a more attention and because obviously it's always gonna be how much money this is gonna cost who's gonna pay for it I'll be the first question so me and and maybe you know those numbers offhand in for the library the quote was something like 80,000 but they also wanted the very most expensive solution which of course is the least visible I did remember what I was going to say about vinyl super easy to change out you can use whatever designs you want from season to season or year to year some of that stuff is rated for seven years or but also there was a study done in Poland that basically supported graffiti as a way to make bird safe bus shelters which I thought was pretty comical and a very interesting thinly veiled threat because most the research out of Europe is based in Germany and they're really stodgy so anyway thank you so it's much you know so the city has done a project with vinyl wrapping the traffic boxes it's something that comes to fruition I think there's a lot of people on this group that would be interested and eager to participate and help awesome awesome I will probably ask you more about details for the Matt Carpenter second Wednesday transportation collaboration thing yeah sure yes Jeff along with Olli are you just promoting this idea or do you have a funding source I wish there was funding okay Sophie at the Design Review Board I represent I'm a liaison on the design review board for the city this idea was presented and so it's just a matter of money so thank you yeah no I I don't have a plan I don't have funding I'm just here to encourage you if anyone wants to do anything to bus shelters encourage it can I ask why bus shelters are your target because there's glass everywhere literally everything is my target but the email that I got from Sophie was the Sally was yes somebody else was there were like five degrees of separation I'm not actually sure who originally wanted me to talk to y'all but that being said they were concerned about glass bus shelters but yes I would absolutely love to see from ground level two the first 60 feet up of every building be bird safe yeah because I've been doing this since 2003 and it's a lot of dead birds I was just going to ask you how high up it's worth doing so 60 feet is kind of the level it's it's worth it yeah so the first 60 feet is roughly where most birds spend their their operating hours the higher elevations are usually birds that are behaving in a way that is more navigable and in terms of open space but yeah the long and the short of it is the first 60 feet of anything is dangerous and bus shelters obviously fall into that category okay well yes that's John was saying we had put it to one of the people at the design review board one project so hopefully we'll be able to continue to to do that or have some standard handout thing I've forwarded all the links you sent to the other members of the of the Commission here so they can follow up thank you for being here direction first reading hello everybody my name is Caleb a recent University of Michigan graduate I studied sociology and arts and ideas to be residential college I wrote a thesis about Highland Park's public art scene and murals and I finished it up back in March and it's all public information I spoke with Vinita today actually she suggested I introduce myself here because I've been doing a project on market research do you guys name thing through the tech ARB Center its funding from the National Science Foundation and it's also GATS I think partnerships all around the city but they run free entrepreneurial classes about customer acquisition and market research and as a freelance artist and as someone who left the city once I graduated and then came back and saw this tremendous 10 story mural down the street by a tree town I was amazed by the stuff that was going on in Ann Arbor and at this moment I'm really just trying to develop a good sense of the ecosystem here in the city I know there are several entities operating sometimes in conjunction with each other sometimes not so much I spoke with folks from the let's see the Downtown Development Authority from destination Ann Arbor spoken to property managers from some of the big companies down here just in the past few weeks and I'd be interested in asking some of y'all some questions particularly I believe evils mister Kofi as well and then mister sow isn't here but he would be really interesting to talk to particularly just because of his architectural background so I essentially just came here to ask for some of your time if there's a better way to do it if we could set up a meeting or some time outside this meeting whatever you know suits your fancy I'm basically just doing gig work so I'm very free my schedule is very open and even just a few moments of your time would be very great thank you for your time okay does Vinita have your info so I could give you my email right after the meeting just remind me specifically or just give me a broad sense of what you're interested in kind of exploring yeah so um actually let's see I've been interested in figuring out sort of where the funding comes from a lot of the time because I'm kind of aware of this new legislation that came by in the city that kind of changed the funding structure for public art projects so it appears and from my cursory research it seems that a lot of the stuff is like at least semi private private now like business owners and property managers working and I'm really just interested in figuring out you know how you guys particularly work with some of these entities so sponsorship entities even some of the street associations if you have projects working down there really my main purpose is just to figure out how all of the actors if you will to use a social science term or stakeholders to use a finance term are all working together in the field so particularly like questions involving power arts and the boxes around the city any the the stuff about the riverfront walkway that's coming up recently that is fantastic news but I'm really not certain as to the future of the project and I haven't been able to get as much information and part of that might just be my own research but yeah that's a lot of topics I know but it's very broad sure I'm Vanina if you would share contact information yep and we can schedule appointments and perfect have coffee and stuff like that wonderful thank you guys so much okay yeah thanks for talking to you okay um looks like next if we have to have a on their public comments looks like next we have a presentation there's one right there how's everybody doing I'm Mike Pettigrew I'm the city treasurer I think a few months back Bonita had asked some questions about insurance for public art we are currently undergoing our final stages of our annual insurance renewal our insurance renewals on February 1st there'll be a a resolution in front of Council on February 18th meeting to approve our new insurance plan and our new insurance premiums I prepared a find out coverage program update similar to the one you received back in November just to give you an idea of what's kind of going on the insurance market has experienced significant financial losses which means the market is becoming really hardened premiums are going up while coverages are going down for example just attempting to renew our current policies with our current carriers would have resulted an overall increase of premiums of over 33% and would have significantly reduced coverages for example two of our dams could have gone without property insurance have we not gone out to to market Highland group is the name of the company that we have is our risk management consultant and our insurance broker we engaged them starting back in September to aggressively market the city's policies that engagement and that marketing effort is resulted in instead of a 33% increase I was able to save or we've been able to save 12% and where our rates are only going up 21% that's a savings of approximately 100 a hundred thousand dollars the dams will be covered and probably most exciting to this group is the changes in public art coverage the new property carrier if it's passed by council will be Zurich they have improved sub limits for fine arts coverage so just to go over where we were leading up until this point our installations are we are covered through February twenty-ninth as part of a property insurance coverage for art that's within a thousand feet of insured locations we have a $500,000 limit and we pay the first fifty thousand dollars so fifty thousand dollar deductible art installations and a scheduled location so this building anything as a building on it is effectively a scheduled location parks locations which are mostly grass but then they have some art installations on it those are considered unscheduled up until our current policy which comes in in March first because through the work of this group you've put together a list of all of the public art installations we know about that have value across the across the city so coverage under insurance renewal effective March first if it's passed through council art installations will continue to be covered as part of our property insurance policy but you will have a two million dollar limit and but with an amount not to exceed seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars per item so that is our update to the current program it will still have a fifty thousand dollar deductible so we're still on the hook for the first fifty thousand that sounds like a lot of money but our overall insurance program with the city is that we're you know you'll hear the term self-insured which just basically means we set aside money in our budget and our financial plan that anything that comes under a certain threshold we will cover so cars they get in car accidents police cars unless it's a fire truck or some huge piece of machinery we budget money and set aside reserves to cover those types of accidents that keeps our overall insurance premiums lower otherwise we would I don't say catastrophic Lee but we would have much larger insurance premiums overall so I have a really short presentation but of course I'm I'm here to answer any questions that you might have I did list my name and email address at the top so if you're not comfortable with if you have question comes up later as always please email me if there's a special project or a special art installation I think it would be really important going forward for this group and for us as a city that we install new art you believe to assign it a value capture those values as we install them and then make sure they're reported to our office to make sure we put them on our schedule of items because the insurance companies don't like to insure things they don't know about so we have an obligation to them to keep our lists and our costs up to me so any questions thank you for the presentation it's very helpful the one project that we have had damaged and it's been problematic are these glass panels on stadium bridge are you saying they're covered because they're close to the bridge so the bridge is an interesting location that's the time that's kind of what let us into some of the conversations we've had previously the bridge in and of itself isn't a scheduled location so it's not a building so we need to list and I think we've have done that now we've list that art installation and its general location and we provide that list hyland who provides it to the insurance companies and say hey we have this thing here it's worth this amount of money at some point they could come out or send out an underwriters out and say yep I can see that it's there and it's it's worth something to be to be insured but historically we haven't had that so we're covered under at least up until now the you know the agreed value on file with the insurance company which we didn't have and now or we're working towards that so they you know it's part of the definition of you know how much you would pay to replace something like that it's the reasonable and necessary cost to replace or repair the fine art so that's kind of a difficult question when we get into some of these art pieces something like that's probably gotten more of a hard cost you could probably go find the invoice or find some documentation over what it cost to build it and install it and that would be easier for an insurance company to understand and and possibly value the first 50,000 though we're gonna pay out of pocket - mr.
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