But you have to remember that bus drivers was not for compression. Bus drivers was compensation. I know to bring I know compensation. I'm saying like the dollar amounts just doesn't make sense. But I'm not saying the table. I'm just saying if they don't use extra 10 discussion dancers. Okay. Okay. But I I appreciate your voice again but bring that up next year for sure. Katie, did you want to say something? Okay. So, who is going to Let's I'll make a recommendation that we approve the uh compensation recommendation from the comp compensation and compression committee for as it relates to facilities by applying $20,000 as they see fit to address compression. Okay. Okay. You can live with it, Ariel. I just don't think it's enough money, but I can live with it. Okay. Thank you, though. Sorry, I don't want to keep harping on this, but can I just clarify?
So, it's research and throwing some money at the actual problem if that happens. Okay. I just want to make sure we're clear on that. And then, and then the work continues, right, Ariel? We can continue to say like, hey, we unear these issues. So, Dorothy, can you let us know is there a specific group you guys talked about from facilities or is this is just we're going to randomly we're going to we don't know who's getting it right now for facilities. So, to be honest with you, Vanessa came up with that amount. I don't know how much work she had been able to do in terms of looking at very specific job des job job titles. I know that some of what she described is the problem is how we name our employee groups is diff under the category of facilities is very different than other groups.
So there may have been you know that complicating things but I can't tell you how much she time and energy she put into it. She just made the recommendation to our committee that she felt like with 20,000 she could at least get started on addressing some of the issues that she did uncover. Okay. Okay. I have another question too, Joel. A quick question. So these dollar amounts that we're giving, these dollar amounts do not include let's say benefits, payable benefits like um No. So that so this 20,000 that's also including money we will have to pay out for benefits too. Yeah. But I'm asking like the number amounts like contract itself. We don't know how it will be used. Thank you for your hard work. We will trust that it will be used. So we don't know exactly who is affected by this. So we can't say what that is going to equate to.
We know that 21% of any kind of salary is you add that 21% to it, right? So this would be part of the work that Vanessa and business services and uh based on the recommendation of compression to meet and confer and meet and confer approval will figure out what that's going to cost and how that's going to be imp implemented and who it's going to affect. I'm just asking for clarification though. So when we give like for example when we say oh a 2% raise for everyone in that 2% raise we're calculating how much the teacher also pays for Vanessa's included that included that in the numbers that she has presented and so that's 38,000 for substitutes that also is going to include our pay benefits. Yeah. And at 48 we said for bus drivers to give them a dollar increase an hour that also includes pay for benefits.
Yes. any option that has a cost associated that Vanessa figured in except for I think the the 9-day PD1 and she didn't have that costed out with the benefits. I would just like to clarify $20,000 is not a lot of money especially if you're going to have to include benefits in it. That's all I want to say but I'm moving on. Moving on. Okay. Number 11. Um, psychologist will receive a base salary increase of 15,000 in lie of market demand stipen and psychologist will not be grouped. That was a no cost one. So, but we still let's still do have someone make the recommendation. Yeah, I recommend that we vote to approve number 11. It's a no cost one. So, but we still want to put it down as one of our Just clarification. It's not a no cost to our budget. But no, no, cuz we it's but we so it makes that 2% the budget we made for that 2% raise that budget has to increase but it doesn't come out of our budget.
It does come out that 2% raise we um dumbs up understand it's technically not cost neutral because now that 2% money we set aside for 2% raise has now has to be increased because now that 15,000 becomes part of their base pay making amount of money we have to spend for a 2% raise across the board more so it's technically not budget neutral actually it would save us money if we hired a psychologist I do know it would say but I'm just saying it's not technically called we have the revised language though in lie of the market demand, right? Because the way it's worded here is and it's changed up there. So, it will okay. Okay. Number Yeah, I recommend we approve number 11. It it should have already been changed in lie of Yeah. Thank you. Okay, everyone. Okay, let's go to number 12.
I would just add to be careful because we do have like speech who also have a market or have another stipend and to be careful in terms of adding that in because theirs are specifically tied to C's that have to be renewed every year and I don't think we have a check and balance to make sure that that's being done. So sometimes we hire them and they have it do we? Okay. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Number 12. Uh special ed case managers uh will be compensated at the extra duty rate of up to three hours per IEP for taking an additional duties vacancy of not sped certified teachers. Someone want to make a recommendation. We don't have money for that one. I recommend that we approve this one considering it's already a a practice at many campuses. This is just a ma uh manner to put it in.
Yeah. To officially document it and then to ensure that it is happening. So there's no monetary cost. Okay. So she's making a recommendation. Let's Ariel, we're waiting. Mhm. Okay. That one um we're making a recommendation. Okay. So that's all of our finance ones. 16. No, it's not all of our finance ones. Oh, that's a big one. Katie, what's the what's the balance that we have left right now? Perfect. Thank you. Okay, so number 16 is the one um approve 171,000 for teacher compression. Someone like to I move that we approve the teacher compression recommendations of 171,000 as recommended by the committee. I just want clarification. What exactly? So I understand it's to move people but what was discussed in so I think like Vanessa talked about um this was about addressing people who had been frozen I'm thinking she's referring to those 2008 to 2016 or whatever there was about seven or eight eve right eight right years that we did not move at all we were completely frozen so I believe this is to address this.
I I think some people may be under the misunderstanding that this means all people will move. I don't believe that's what Vanessa said. It has to do with specific employees that did not move. Like the one that she described as an example, there was a year 17 teacher who was making what would be comparable to a year three teacher. And so obviously that is needs to be corrected. And so it was to correct errors that not errors correct situations that she found that were com were affected by compression. Although although wait I my understanding was that it would move everyone because not with that amount because everyone is frozen. Yeah. No one receives yearly pay increases. Okay. But she was talking about the a specific set of years and not everyone was employed by the district at that time. So this would impact to me it kind of offsets some of the things we talked about the options that we tabled related to longevity because the people who are going to be impacted by this are the people that have been here since at least 2008 when this occurred.
So be people in the 15 plus years. So it it will compression doesn't mean everyone it means whoever is affected by a dark situation. And so I'm not I'm not done. So it means that you can put a a bracket of saying 15 to 10 or six. It just means people who are in that situation. So but only certified teachers. So my understanding because I think you probably you need to add some wording to this then. So the the intent of this is certified teachers who are still employed to this day in the district. there was here in the 2008 through 2006. Those are some of my assumptions about what those are examples of people that I believe will fall into this category, but I don't know the exact details of everything that she affected by compression. It's very similar to the 20,000 for facilities only this is 171,000 based on her work that she's done so far for certified teacher specifically.
when when this goes out into the weekly connection or whenever we present this to the board whatever I think a lot of teachers are going to be confused when it comes to this because right now it's there's no clarification so there needs to be more some type of language as I would agree that the language needs to be carefully worded in the Kraton connection when this goes out and maybe Vanessa can help with some of that because this is coming directly from you know the committee that she led's recommendations. Yeah. Maybe we need to add areas affected by but we need clarification. What areas was affected? Because you have someone that's been in the district five years. Well, I'm affected by compression. I don't make that much more than a first year teacher. That's not their role. But it don't matter what their role is.
If the intent and behind it is not clear, everyone can make their own assumption that oh, I'm affected. I I will strongly encourage anybody who believes they're in as a affected by compression to reach out human resources or payroll requirement in which they can get all of their answers uh for their questions and explanations. I think we're getting into the wits of operations rather than just the recommendations and approval. No, I feel like I'm not. So we're going to So our so the thing we're going to tell people when people read this in the weekly on that Friday connection that if you think you're affected by compression you reach out to see that what I'm saying. So there needs to be more wording in the language if you don't want to add years. How about approve designated areas for compression to address teacher. Yeah. this because it might not affect everyone.
We can't see that work. We don't know who. I mean, but that would mean like put wording in there so when people see it, they're not assuming that they're one of those people. There needs to be more wording because right now it can be any teacher. you know disable I'm saying like but it's but the way it's ordered it's approving compression committee recommended means they have to find where the compression is so it doesn't necessarily in a sense I think it's okay because people compression is but people have been asking about that $200,000 compression thing we passed all school year because they knew we passed it but now we're passing basically the same equivalent of what we passed last school year and people was asking about the 200,000. I know I mean but we're creating the same sit the same situation where everyone was confused with where the 200,000 went.
Now everyone's going to be confused where the 171,000 oh I'm sorry. So I just want to jump into the conversation and say that these are this is one of the few recommendations that that were recommended by the compression uh committee and so they have done or they may have answers to Ariel's uh questions and I hear you Ariel on the concern of about clarity of the message but I think one of the message that we can convey in our communication is great we're moving toward fixing compression is not totally fixed But at least we're selecting a specific individuals like bus drivers, facilities, and now the t-shirt group saying we are attempting to correct all of those situations. I think that's a great message. It's not an ending message. It's not a super detailed message, but it's a message in a positive direction to to improve uh the negative impact of compression and the fact that it's going to address it.
We don't know where it's going to address it. that I'm just saying just there's not a few words we can add into it for clarification for when people read this. I don't think we know the words to add. Can we add maybe clarification from them? I I totally agree with you and we don't know which years they specifically were. I have a good idea. Um but and especially if you've been in the district long enough, it's the compression has hit you twice potentially. So um what I'm wondering is something on like will be addressed on a case-by case basis. But we don't want everyone emailing HR because that's what's going to happen. You're going to have people emailing Joel. Can we cannot just give uh if we're thinking it's the people that was here doing those salary freezes, can we just give a tenative years?
If you were here doing these gap years, you are potentially impacted by compression. Bum tone. She is worried about the wording that everyone will potential it is so that people So do we want to add will be addressed on a case to case basis? No because anyone's going to email HR will be addressed through the recommendations of the compression committee because we also want to give Yeah. I'm wondering if maybe it's the the compression committee will use the 107 will determine who is impacted and um reach out or something along those lines like they'll determine who's impacted and make the determination of how the compression will be resolved something along those lines potentially from these I wouldn't I wouldn't because I don't what I'm remembering from the committee meeting is that they weren't all necessarily falling into that bucket because you in that. Weren't you in that conversation?
No, that's a different committee. Sorry. So, just maybe put a period after 171,000 and add just another sentence. The compression committee will determine where where what would determine fund aotment. I don't know. I think you're still going to get emails, but people want to know who's in charge of the purchase committee. Well, Joel Joel has a full-time job. He can address those emails. Okay. So, let's go ahead and do a consensus vote for this. Someone needs to make that fund aotment. Are you okay with that? A lotment of funds. a lotment of funds where most applicable applicable and since Vanessa is the head of that committee that would be that'll be perfect. Yes, I think so. Yeah, we just don't know the answers to them. Okay. Who would like to um I've done enough make the um recommendation in the consensus vote? I recommend the meeting of fair committee to approve compression committee recommendation to address t-shirt compression 170,000 170,0001 the compression committee will determine a lotment of funds okay let's have our vote but Ariel you can live with it right I can live with it okay good got that so our secretary over here Katie has been doing such a great You have money to spare.
171. We're all getting free lunch. Yeah. No, we're going to show our uh fiscal conservativeness to the board by having coming under budget. Yes. Okay. We um Yeah. just you're going to subtract that from that and then we'll see what we get. So I think we did a great job on that. Oh, we even have money left over. Not much. No, but that's but still that needs to be a part of the presentation. Yeah, I agree. We were being very mindful and spend every single penny. We were trying to be conservative. Yes. Okay. after lunch um we will quickly and I mean like an hour at max um do the non- finance options uh maybe it'll go um quickly we'll see um there aren't too many of them and maybe you want to think about that so we will come back at let's see Five of Okay.
How about just one? One. Okay. We'll do one. One o'clock. Okay. Okay. How many fin one four? That's right there. Good afternoon everyone. Welcome back from lunch. I hope you all enjoyed your lunch. We had a great um morning I feel. Uh so far we have if I counted correctly I believe eight recommendations and now let's work on the non finance um recommendations. I don't know you do we need to break up in groups again or can we just kind of go through those and um do we need to have any discussions with them or can we just try to do a consensus vote on each of them? Okay, let's try that. Are we okay with that? Okay. Um, let's see. Get my paper in order. Finance non finance. Okay. So, the first one is the district will provide a full-time highly qualified ESP who is also on the crisis response team.
Okay. Would anyone like to go ahead, Dorothy? I just had a couple questions about the wording of this because I remember somebody else brought this up last time we talked about it that it almost sounds like especially just for this as opposed to what I think the intent was was just to ensure that there is a highly qualified ESP who is a part of the crisis response team rather than this that will provide sounds like we're saying in addition to or instead of I don't know the the wording the other thing that as we start to work on this list um I think one of the other messages that we heard pretty loud clear, not necessarily specifically from the board, although they commented on this at one point as well, but definitely from our own district administrative team, is that, you know, the amount of recommendations we had.