This is when it rains for an hour. How much water can a site retain before it starts discharging into your uh storm water drain? And recall that again waste water is separate from storm water. Waste waters, you know, when when you flush your toilet or if your dentist is working and you know there there's a suction cup, etc. So that is separate from when it rains, right? And I think the challenge that we have is that for every single project that comes up, storm water gets looked at. actually the more properties that get redeveloped the better our city will be in terms of actually retaining storm water. So I wanted to just kind of put that process out there as something that gets looked at every single project. Um and the county water resource commissioner will take a look at that. And then I would be remiss in saying if I didn't echo um my gratitude and everyone that did come to speak because it can be very challenging to come up and speak publicly.
And this is not this is our document, right? This is um it doesn't matter what I want, it matters what you want. And as Sarah had, as Commissioner Mills said, this is policy is about tradeoffs. And we will continue to work to balance the voices of everybody that we've heard to try to put the best uh most um equitable uh and accessible plan that we can. And for for myself, I you cuz I've heard a lot of folks talking about what Ann Arbor means to them. Um I I moved every single year of my life until I came to Ann Arbor 97. I went to Bryant Patel Tapen Pioneer Michigan undergrad, Michigan grad school. Actually, Sher Norton was my first interview for grad school at the time. He was the chair of the planning program. Uh I love this city. Uh I owe I owe so much to it and I will continue serving it the best I can.
So, I just wanted to make that clear that again this is a collective document that hopefully reflects accurately reflects a positive vision for the future of Ann Arbor for the next 50 years and that we will do everything we can to incorporate what we're hearing and to do the best job we can to make this a more equitable place. So, uh that is my soap box and we will move on to now the next section which is talking very specifically about chapter 5. So, okay, we are moving on to comprehensive plan review chapter 5. Now, we are in other business. So, we will go to staff planner pennant. Thank you. Good evening, commissioners. Um, I think before we get into editing the documenting, I have a few things I'd like to touch on. First, um, they are related to the schedule. Um, last meeting I was asked what's our plan for June.
So, I thought I'd give you an idea of what we're thinking. Um, so tonight is the last meeting for us to review the draft uh for this round of edits. Um, on May 20th, you have some developments coming your way. There will be no comprehensive plan discussion. I think what we will bring to you that day is a request to adjust your schedule again so that in June we can start um June 3rd and June 17th start at 5:30 again for those two. and that would require you all, I believe, to vote on adjusting your schedule. And so, I can tell you what we have planned for those two meetings. Um, there has been some questions that we feel could be better answered by staff that specialize in this. So, if you all are amendable to this, on June 3rd, we were hoping to have our economic development um office, it's just a one a one-man office, attend.
Um we could have our systems planning um staff come to talk about infrastructure. We introduced that memo last week, but for more questions and more discussion about infrastructure, we thought we'd have them attend. And then we've also invited Missy, who may or may not be able to because it's um 820 week um but to have her attend to talk um possibly about the concern about solar and taller heights um in residential areas. And then that's where we could start also looking at the implementation matrix which is one step more granular in what our strategies right it goes goals strategies and then what are our actual actions that staff have to use uh to operationalize all of this. So that's um pretty hefty. Um so we'd like to start earlier then we request that each speaker only have 10 minutes to present and then 20 minutes of Q&A.
So that's already going to be an hour and a half right there. Um and then the implementation matrix could take substantial conversation as well. Um on the 17th then um we would have the second version of the draft. Um we will hopefully get it to you before then. Hopefully by the 10th so you have at least a week to review. Um currently we only have one meeting scheduled for you to review the second draft. Um that meeting is also when Arbor South returns. Um so that could also be a long meeting. There is a little wiggle room to continue the conversation on the [Music] 24th. Um, so we could have a second meeting maybe dedicated to the second draft of the comprehensive plan, but we were perhaps waiting to see how it goes or what you all would like to do. Got it. So to make sure that I recap, the actions that we need to take today would be to have a formal vote on June 3rd and June 10th to start at 5:30.
That would be introduced at next meeting. Oh, okay. Got it. Understood. And then we have to talk also about including an additional meeting on June 24th as the fourth Tuesday. Did we already agree on that? I feel like we all said we would start coming on that fourth Tuesday. Um well, so the 20 the 24th is currently set aside as like a subcommittee meeting which is no longer because we're all together now reviewing this document. So, um, there's currently nothing on that agenda and so if we needed extra time, if you wanted more than one session to review the document, but I suppose that would come to you on May 20th as well, cuz that would be an adjustment to your schedule. Is that correct? Yeah. Um, also we do have June 10th as a work session. We were contemplating keeping that as a work session.
Um we have uh a a tenative update from our transportation team on some of the transportation tiered corridors that city council has um been directing them to start looking into. Um we also um were contemplating presenting your work plan um potentially at that at that work session and we thought it would be also an opportunity to uh introduce that implementation matrix potentially at that meeting um for your consideration as well or excuse me introduce it at the third and then if we wanted if you had some more time that you wanted to spend on it dedicate some potentially additional time at the work session on the 10th. So, um, so I I did hear somebody asking about June 10th and just wanted to declare we we do have some work scheduled. We were contemplating um keeping that as a work session. Um, okay. I understood.
Yeah, Commissioner Adamson want to understand the rationale for extending on the third. So, we have economic development, systems planning and OSI coming in. We have no plan topics and no and no what else do we have in the agenda? implementation matrix introducing the implementation matrix to you at that time. Okay. And what does economic development want to talk about? Well, I don't know if any of you have met him. Uh he's brand new. So, part of it would be an introduction and part of it would be explaining more about the comments that he provided for the draft. Okay. That he provided last. Yeah. The edits that he provided last meeting. Okay. Uh yeah, Commissioner W. Uh did I understand you correctly that our June 17th meeting is the Arbor South meeting? Correct. Okay. So Cherley, I would like to recommend that we separate those because the discussion for Arbor South, they actually had a half hour for present or 20 minutes for presentation and there was a lot of discussion before that and I I feel unless we were going to meet at 5:30 and then that's what's proposed.
But we have no control over the comments and we just did 3 and 1/2 hours of comments tonight and all we have is the plan. But we'll have the second draft of the plan plus Arbor South. Yeah, I would be open to it. Also, I'll be just for pure transparency. I'm recused even if I don't work at Oxer anymore. So, um so just as a um I'm happy to separate it cuz then I don't think I would actually come to the meeting. So, when do we uh elect new members or new officers? Isn't that in June as well? Uh that's uh July 15th. Okay. So, yeah, I would I would strongly recommend that we um we figure out how to move the uh revision of the comp plan away from the 17th. Okay. Yeah, Commissioner Martin. And then I'm I'm like everything is hitting all at once.
I'm traveling for work on June 3rd, the 10th. Sorry, you can't go and the 17th. And I'm really I don't want to miss any of this honestly, but I'm I've got things I can't um leave. So I would be delighted if we could push the second draft of the plan after the 17th. Okay. And then we lose you. Yeah. Um and perhaps could we um do we have to do this right here at this particular meeting? And perhaps we could send emails just to kind of coordinate those dates. We we do have the notice. So that that's the big thing for Arbor, right? because there's a public hearing. Yeah, our result has already been noticed because it was postponed to that date. So, yeah. Yeah, you're good there. But we do have to notice if we're pushing things up to 5:30. Yeah. Um, so I think that's already been calculated and why the decision needs to be made on May 20th.
So, I was just letting you know our thoughts about June, but you won't actually have to vote to amend your schedule until the 20th so we could prepare. So, what I would I guess what I would suggest is we go ahead and we plan on presenting the second draft to you at a convert the fourth Tuesday on the 24th to a regular meeting. Um maybe we go ahead and start that one also at 5:30. I agree. Um and we present the draft at that and then I would just ask that um after this meeting we'll see what if any ramifications that might have to the overall schedule. Okay. Yep, that sounds good. Um, yes. Uh, before I make my comment, a clarification then, Brett, according to that, then the 17th would revert back to a 7 p.m. start time because the only thing on the agenda would be Arbor South.
Yes, let me confirm that, but I would anticipate that. And then the 24th would convert to a regular meeting starting at 5:30. Regular meeting starting at 5:30. I just want to express some serious concern about only having that one meeting to go through all of the changes to the second draft. So if there is I would like to advocate for a second meeting to review the second draft, which could be July 1st. July 1st, which How many people are out of town that week? I don't know. We'll see. Um, yeah. I I just think it's so unrealistic to think that we'll be able to get through it in a meaningful way, especially I think we could anticipate hours of public comment at that meeting. I think at every meeting we have to anticipate hours of of public comment. Um, so we can add it to July 1st if we'll have quorum, but remember that July 17th is when you will have that draft back.
Um, so we're now getting into quite a tight turnaround to make any other uh edits, but I think we can still push to July 1st if needed. What about June 10th instead of the, you know, convert that work session to a regular meeting and do it then? Start it then. Well, isn't that when we're getting the version two? Like we're getting it that day and then we'll talk about it kind of thing. Or is it? Yeah, that would be early for us to be able to provide it to you with any time to review it in advance. So, I guess the nuclear question. Okay. Well, just like if this July 17th deadline moves back a week, if everything shifts back a week or two weeks, what happens? Not nuclear. I'm hearing from the left. Yeah. When is um So, maybe you could look at it and see.
I just I just really want to have the time to Yeah. after all this 100%. Thanks. So, for this for that purpose, I would say for now, let's plan on uh June 24th uh with a 5:30 start. Let's plan on July 1st, probably also with a 5:30 start. Okay. Um and then, uh Michelle and I will just go back and figure out we'll have to also talk to the consultants because that'll have ramifications on sort of any final final tweaks. It will just it it will likely result in an amended schedule. Okay, understood. Um, yeah, Commissioner Adams, I I also think that we may find so we're going to get the draft on the 10th and we'll have two weeks to chew on it and get our comments into staff and I'm hoping that that that process will be like we're going to be looking at showstopper issues at that point.
We're not going to be we're not going to be fine-tuning the document at that point. So, it may take a meeting and it may it may we may not need an extra one. Um, I'm putting my cards on the table. I mean, anything that would extend the timeline, I'm pretty opposed to, but um and I I'm hoping that we can spend 5 hours, 3 hours, um, and get through it as long as folks like were aggressive about spending the two weeks in advance of that meeting getting comments in. Commissioner Mills I think if all we're looking at is revising what's already in there, I we've gotten a lot of public comment on earlier thing like after we discussed things and I'm trying in my mind to figure out how I how we're going to again add in some of that con that the conversation about trade-offs, how how what we're hearing here is going to be incorporated into it because I hope it is it should be and so I'm maybe this is part of the understanding making sure that we can expect that in the next draft and I imagine that again once we start talking about trade-offs that's actually going to make it more complicated and people are going to care about words and we haven't actually talked about specific words yet right even though people may be inclined to do that so I both like hope so and want to prepare us for the idea that maybe it will actually be more complicated.
I'm really hoping not. I mean um again so we will have two two weeks before that before we'll talk. So if we get the feedback in so the process that Michelle laid out for us for the first round, we didn't really follow it, right? We sent in a lot of written stuff and then we talked a lot. We actually ended up talking a lot about the written stuff that we sent in even when it wasn't controversial even if we all agreed. So we can incorporate whatever public feedback we think we need to incorporate over that two weeks get it reduced to writing and then just work down the table and find out what's controversial and what's not. If we have big discussions at that meeting about values, then I think we will need two or three more sessions and we will delay approval and that really feels like a bad idea.
Yeah, Commissioner Edwards. Uh, Commissioner Adams, that made me think about a possible process, which is that um, if we all took one week to submit our written comments, and those were coalated and returned to us, then we would have time to flag the things that we did not agree with or that we wanted to raise for discussion, and then we could use those to form an agenda and essentially ignore everything that had not been flagged because I think part of what happened last time is that we didn't really know where the controversy was and so we just kind of started talking through everything. Mhm. I really like that. Okay, understood. So, right now what we're talking about, just to recap, make sure my head's clear on this. June 10th is when the version two comes out to us. We take until June 17th. We submit our written comments.
We have a collated understanding of whether we have any conflicts between or at least tensions or disagreements. M and then we are going to take June 24th which will be a working session I'm sorry not a regular meeting session that we add to the overall um schedule and then we also but hopefully it we get through the entire draft at that point. Um if not we can take a look at July as well. So um so if you if um again for those watching um there's no changes to agenda today um it will have to be next week. So, just as a heads up. Um, okay. Gotcha. Planner Bennett. Um, everybody else kind of good with where we stand on that. Julie, I just have a quick question. So, May 20th is a 7:00 regular meeting. Correct. Okay. And we don't have anything the following.
What's that? No, we don't have anything the 27th. May 27th. There is a meeting on May 27th. There is OC. OC OC. Okay. Remember OC. Okay. Got it. Perfect. Comments are due the 17th then. June. June 17th. Yes. One week after June 10th. Yep. All right. Planer Bennett. Thank you for going over the schedule with us. Sure. Um, if you see in your packet, again, sorry before we get to editing, there are a few things that we can go over if you'd like, but we completed our three open houses on April 24th, April 30th, and May 7th. Um, the QR codes are still live and we've sent out an email to our subscribers that it will be open until May 12th at or sorry, May 16th at noon this Friday. So we are continuing to collect information but these are some preliminary results um that we started to look at um I think on May 8th the day the day after.