um walk us through how you prepare a budget. We are interested not only in your methodology but also in your philosophy. >> Okay. Um so this is it's been very interesting to go from managing a budget of about a 100 staff members and a thousand students um for the years as principal and then being on the other side of that in central office and seeing everything that goes into doing a budget for 15 schools. So this is where I have learned so much in three years. So my philosophy for the for the budget is that you really need to see the vision of the community and of the school committee. And then you have to really look at the strategic plan. I mean I've looked at yours a lot. I know it goes to um 2028 for a lot of your goals. And so you want to make that strategic plan and the vision of your community and school committee um into a reality.
>> Okay, questions from the committee. >> Sherry, I think you're talking but I cannot hear you. um district official. That means any teacher, any principal, any any any anyone another student. If they if they're suspicious of another student, they go to a official and then it goes into their hands or >> so a district official is meant to refer to someone that is operating under their administrative certification. So an 092 certification um that they have a responsibility to look into a circumstance. So it would not apply um to a teacher taking this matter into their hands independently or another student or anything like that. >> Okay, >> this is really this is important again for safety and security. It also is important to have a pretty explicit policy for those of you that have sat on the other side of discipline. Um when we talk about um an expulsion hearing, for example, when someone has an inappropriate item in school, um this backs up your school administrator in maintaining safety and security that they may have had to ask a child to show them the contents of their backpack or look in their locker or what's in your pocket.
And then the next year if it's still vacant, the the principal could choose to renew a contract for an emergency hired teacher. So, so of course you you told me what I already knew which is we have my my district has the highest emergency hires not. So I guess when you take a look at the the data further, you know, is it is it more the rural areas that are experiencing this that have less access to, you know, programs essentially? And this is what I've been harping on everybody, right? That there's access issues, right? But but maybe you guys should take a look at what that is because I think if if people in the urban area don't want this something like this, then maybe we just say, okay, this is for the rural areas, right? Because if people want to have this really high standard, that's fine.
you end up losing about I don't know you get about a 60% savings when it comes to the other type of staffing which is like your grounds and your maintenance. They still have to go out there. They still have to clean things up, mow lawns, get things keep your campuses uh in good order. Um and then you have some energy. So, you know, it is what this is. uh there will be we feel at some point there's going to be uh more teachers out there in the market looking for jobs and one of the things we want to you know focus on is our future and so in Kraton we've done a really good job in the past looking forward to the future I feel like now is the time to really fix our uh salary schedules and that compression we have the tools and the ability we found a way forward if we focus there we bring those salaries up for teachers it makes us a a little more uh appetizing and it also gives us some ability in the future to have some selection uh if you're paying more and then you have a good pool of teachers uh you get some selection there.
We feel that this project once complete will serve the residents and staff for years to come. >> Thank you. >> Very nice presentation. I just have one quick question. >> Um I know that you've did a lot of research and um design work with Doug. I'm thinking about the food pantry in and of itself and the number of people or families that we have serviced over the years is increasing yearly. Have you folks taken into consideration the you know extension or expansion of that of that area because of the number of families or potential new families that are going to be needing assistance? or has the has the uh design that you have presented will that take care of that for for a while? >> So the design that we um have now is going to make it just more functional um and it will allow more space.
And my philosophy is that there's a lot of things you have to consider and a lot of voices that you need to hear from and you always have to get how can I use the budget in the best way to move student achievement and to move student goals. So that always has to be in your forefront. Um but then you do have to understand the realities of the world. um facilities, the increasingly transportation budget, the special education expenses and out of district expenses, um heat supplies, all that has to be taken in account. So, you kind of have to look at you have to look at what's essential and then what is okay, that's nice to have, but we can do without it for the moment. Um, obviously the philosophy right now is we have to take a real hard look at what's going on in the city and in the federal government and in the state government and it's really important to stay really right on course with that and know what's going on and know that it can change by the day.
Um, and so you really want to make sure to have an explicit policy that lets people know that in order to maintain safety and security, we may need to do this if there is reasonable suspicion. Kelly, I agree with your recommendation about the uh alternate language. I feel like if we've gotten to that point, then we probably need law enforcement there. >> Agreed. >> Any objections from anyone on the committee? >> Yeah. No, we're not doing strip searches. >> You would have objections from your administrators. I will tell you that. You're right. if we are here, we're calling in some outside officials to support us with this. >> So, I just want to um make sure that Sherry that you are um satisfied with that language in the first sentence when you asked about the district official. Um are you would you be more comfortable if it said uh the district's administrative official?
But we we're you're trying to fight it out on the neighbor islands, right? >> So So um Senator, I would so Baldwin Kiki Hoy Maui 179. Then the next in order would be Campbell Capo, Lehua, Milani, Walua, Kapa, Kauaii, and then Honuka Kohala Kona. And so it really is is outside of the urban core Honolulu, outside of urban Honolulu is where we see the need for this. So, um I don't if you extend it, I don't it it doesn't change um the situation for the Honolulu schools, for urban Honolulu schools. They'll just have a smaller number. >> Um >> so, I would I would >> but at the end of the day, this is a band-aid solution, right? I think that that's that we need to underscore that, right? >> It is a band-aid solution. and it's one of it's a tool that we have to make sure that we have um a teacher in the classroom who's receiving support and able to be consistent for the students.
So you know this is just regular stuff that happens and then uh the last screen is our enrollment where we're talking about cliffs. So you'll see here in Kraton we do about three years then we have a cliff. Three years we have a cliff. Three years we have a cliff. We'll talk about uh why this year's cliff was very interesting um and how once again the the choices and the decisions made in this group have helped us navigate that uh to where it isn't as impactful as it could be for other districts who aren't planning ahead, who don't have fund balances, uh who maybe have overturning staff, and so their plans aren't staying consistent. Um consistency is king when it comes to dollars and planning forward. So you can kind of see um enrollment. We're going to talk about it again. Uh and hopefully this um we're able to show that this cliff was very significant this year.
So we're getting creative in how we actually store things, better shelving. Um actually unit there are there are things out there that we can use um where it sort of puts the um the cans like like canned goods, right? we don't want to we don't want to get rid of expired food. So, this will help us organize it so that we're actually getting rid of that first. It's not going to the back of the shelving. So, we're we're hoping that this will help answer some of this increase um in need um just by really um reorganizing and training volunteers and staff um in a way that will make it a little bit more efficient. Um thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Appreciate it.
So, I think that's really important. And you also have to think about what you have for a foundation budget, for a local budget, and then what you have for grants and what you could possibly get for grants, if there's special projects or anything out there, because there definitely is depending on what you want and depending on what your priorities are. So, a lot of my philosophy is always going back to what is in the best interest of students. As far as methodology, you need to start early. You need to start with a budget calendar. And so what I would do is I would, you know, go from what we have done in Chipe and what you have done in Greenfield, which I think I've looked at both and been involved in chickpe obviously and they're kind of similar to start really really early. And then you need to get um you need to get the players in the same room or in many rooms as you're talking.
Well, I just wanted to clarify it for myself. Yes. You know, um because I didn't know I just didn't know if that meant any authoritative figure or when you say district that would be a police officer, right? Or some somebody like that, right? >> But um if you include that administrative, it sounds better though. >> Yes. Okay. >> Definitely sounds better >> to me. If you have the question reading it, we want to make it crystal clear to others. I would recommend that we add it in. It does not change the essence of it. It just provides further clarification. >> Okay. >> I needed clarification. So yes, >> a little further down um underneath the section on desks and school lockers, right at the top of that next page, uh says use of drug detection dogs and metal detectors or similar detective devices may used may be used only on the express authorization of the um >> we have to make a choice.
>> So what are the reasons that there are such shortages in these areas in Milani? I think it's a housing issue and they are building a teacher housing complex but is that the issue because if it is then maybe you know that's what we need to look at for other areas also. I I housing is an issue. Um also we just overall don't have enough licensed teachers. One thing we know is we have a supply side problem. Um we know that teacher education programs around the country have seen radical declines in the number of students who are signed up to be teacher or who are in programs to become teachers. So Hawaii's experiencing the same thing. So we just have a shortage and the rural areas have more of a shortage um like bear the bear more of the shortage. >> Educators who have been teaching teachers to get their degrees, they no longer exist or there's a short supply or they're moving out or >> there's there's less um there's less college students or there's less people seeking a teacher um a degree in teaching.
Um, so when we get back from our break, I'll be digging into as much as possible, um, you know, our initial budget numbers, uh, why they are what they are and what we're planning, uh, with that and how the dollars that we're potentially bringing to the table, um, are created. And then I'd like to spend the rest of the time discussing the salary schedules, uh the work that's gone into that with the committees and the recommendations uh for the years of service corrections and then fixing um broken schedules, repairing broken schedules is going to be very critical. Again, planning forward so that this group will have lots of options when we come to the table. you can just very clearly and transparently see a schedule and make decisions to say move the whole schedule up, move people on the schedule further away from the base.
>> Anybody else have any questions? >> Go ahead. Um, so first of all, thank you. This is it. This is a huge undertaking this like it's funny because a piece of cake. It's just Wednesday, you know, they're only moving tomorrow, you know, no big deal. Um, so, you know, it's funny because I was looking at the what was in our packet and I'm like I was kind of I kind of had the same feeling. I'm like, well, what are they doing? you know, and so, um, to get a sense of what what is going to happen to the space is really significant. Um, and to be able to to fund it all for what amounts to less than half a million dollars and have some creative funding mechanisms for it is is huge. So, um I think that it shows how much time and effort and care you put into making this a real um positive experience for everyone, which is great.
So that would be talking to the school committee, the city council, um getting feedback from others in the community. And then I would want to spend a lot of time with the assistant superintendent of instruction, teaching and learning because that's vital and obviously the business manager. I do I do did see that there was a posting on the 29th for one. Um and so that's really important. The director of pupil services is huge because special education is such a huge component to a lot of people the budget. Um, and then you have to get into the buildings and sit down with the principles and the principal's team and who the principal wants you to talk to. What do the teachers need? Um, what is what is going to move curriculum? What is going what is going to give you the best outcomes for your students?
>> Superintendent I would I would suggest superintendent in this case. Is that in agreement with other members of the committee? >> Yes, >> absolutely. >> Not something we've done often. I can think of one time in my history in the district that we've done this. >> But I do think it's important to reserve the right if you felt the need to do it at some point in the future. >> Absolutely. Go ahead. And if we can just be consistent, the next um sentence down, district administrative officials, >> Kelly, I noted that um there's a uh regulation that's attached to the previous incarnation. of this policy. >> Does that regulation go away when we pass a new like an updated policy like this or does it stay? >> It stays. Um we we can update and revise regulations but unless we uh notify you that we intend to remove it, any regulations attached would be um would would go with them.
paper. Why is that? >> Well, some of it some of it is paid. Some of it is other opportunities that are available. If we looked, you know, a gener generation ago or two generations ago, um we would see that um that we had a a lot of women and people of color in teaching because there was discrimination elsewhere and teaching was a good career was a opportunity. But there's a lot more there's a more variety of opportunities now uh for all to teach in other areas or have other kinds of careers. So that some of it is just that kind of this meta issues. Um some of it is the prestige and I think there's a lot of um teaching is a hard job. And so I think when there are there's a lot of uh narrative that people shouldn't be teachers. I think a lot of our students get a message teaching is hard.
Um different strategies of stretching um how much dollars we get when we get additional PD uh when a teacher moves from maybe a BA and a BA plus 15. How much do they get when that happens? will have the ability with a repaired schedule to really make some strategic decisions there. And then how much uh do we get when we try to move people away from the base? This is uh your recruit and retain. Um do they get you know $100? Do they get $400, $500? Depends on the schedule uh and and what makes sense. So, um there's uh some pros and cons to the things that we've done to the schedules, but it is what has allowed us to move forward and bring um strategic decompression to the compression committee. So, that's what we'll be discussing when we come back and uh hopefully I can get through it quickly.
Um I have two questions. One, um just because I'm trying to like visualize the space for recreation, do you you feel like you have enough space for them like >> We are not losing any recreation space. Nope. Okay, >> they're not losing anything um as far as space goes. So, they're still going to have that exercise room in the back. >> Okay. >> And then they're still going to have that big great room in the in the lower level. Yep. The only thing um if you remember where the exercise room is, there's like a half wall there and they store all of the um mats and things in that little side side area. That's the human services. That will be the human services offices. Okay. >> And then the food pantry will be the other side of the L, which is the art room sort of and um storage for the sporting equipment.