He calls us the board of selectmen. I >> like right there. You would think that the the AG would go if you're going to site something at least use the correct name for the committee that you're doing. >> Right. Yep. >> So, yeah. Take us through if you want to. >> You want me to? >> Yeah. >> Sure. Sorry. Us. To Joe's point, there was um I believe a previous open meeting law complaint brought up about the January 17th meeting around the same subject, but this um this deals with dates other than that and I believe it was specifically around um uh my contract negotiations and um I think in the minutes that were provided the way it was worded looks like there were you know documents provided. Couldn't anything in my records? I didn't know if you guys had any. >> I think the only documents that you may have given us was uh your proposal.
we call them ESPs um or anyone in the staff. So it would they would have the agenda. I would meet with them monthly and it was a time for them and and there was usually um I was very I had very good relationships with the union and um I had union rep representatives there too and we would come once sometimes twice a month and they would just come and they would bring up anything that they wanted to bring up. Um and that was really good. It wasn't the only time they could bring things up. Um, but it was something where they felt a little more formal where, okay, I'm here for you. Just tell me, tell me what you have, um, what's brewing, what do you need to get off your chest? And a good thing about it was they also came with some ideas and some solutions.
They they should be monitoring to making sure that these teachers are doing well for our students and and if we have an administrative burden because you guys can't figure out how to create additional pathways, that's where I have a problem. And over the last year, I have not seen anything. You guys have not come and seeing us to talk about what your solutions were because I did ask you last year and but nothing. It's been silenced and then we're here again, right? And then you're now again still opposed to this kind of build for us to retain all these people that were onboarding. That's my problem with the standards board. >> So the teacher shortage has been going on for three decades, 30 years. The emergency hire permit, it was asked earlier how long has been in place. It's actually been in place prior to the standards board being a standards board.
Okay, so this is the work we've done so far. Okay, so years of service, um, that's what it costs last year up there for certified. You can see at the top, these are the current salary schedules that we have. I recommend that we move from some of the stuff that I put together when I first got here. Um, I was just trying to use my history and my experience. And so I gave you guys 1%s for certified, classified, admin. You know, we broke it up into certain categories. Last year I realized those categories were lumped up uh off schedule. So like psyches were on there with nurses that's not shouldn't be together. Um so what I'm recommending is we go to in the future we look at our schedules and our groups based on who's on the schedule. So if you scooch across you see we have certified regular certified STEM ESP hourly uh classified exempt who are salary psychologist.
>> Yeah. Which is the one on the 17th. >> Right. >> So, I think one of the things we were, you know, we were thinking is that some of those references in those other minutes were they to the documents that were part of the 17th. >> All right. >> Right. That's what that's how I read it. Yeah. that and the um that they didn't get posted. >> Well, the it didn't list I think that's the complaint. >> The complaint is that they didn't get posted, >> right? And so if you had a chance to read Attorney Castro's draft response, >> he's making a couple of points. Number one, the timeliness of the complaint. >> Um number two, the fact that they don't nec they don't need to be posted. we have to make them available >> available >> upon request. >> So uh I think everybody's had a chance to hopefully look at the >> look at the response and if uh you know you didn't have any changes then the board would need >> No, it looks >> No.
And so they would come and they would say, "This is a problem and I think this would work. Um, this is upsetting us. This would work." And so I was that really really worked but I didn't want it to be just once a month. So the other way I would come feedback honestly I would make sure that I was going classroom to classroom in the mornings. Um I would stay later in the afternoons and um I would ask them you know what's going on? How did you feel about this? What did you think of the faculty meeting? Um did I vomit? Was I too stiff? Was I too serious? was I did I joke around or not take it serious enough? Um, and I also asked different people. I didn't just ask the people that I thought maybe, you know, that they liked me or didn't like me.
It was a Department of Education that was doing emergency hire permits. So, this is a long-standing problem. Uh, we are happy. >> We know it's a long-standing problem. We're trying to figure we're trying to be solutionsoriented, right? But I don't in your testimony, I did not see what the that solution should be to try and figure out how we're going to make this work. How do we get all of these teachers, you know, the thousand that we're trying to bring on, how do we figure out how do we utilize them in the best way and get them certified? That's what I did not see and that's what we asked last year but it's been silenced from you. >> I can provide a report. I can meet with you. Yeah. I didn't know that you wanted a report but I can do a briefing. >> Wasn't that the whole question last year that I brought up?
This is the schedule where the nurses, OT's, speech langs uh live, speech therapists, OT's, PTS, and then the last one is admin. So, um I haven't worked on admin. It just wasn't a priority. That's why there's no numbers there. Um if we scroll back to the beginning, u there's the years of service adjustment. That's not included. So, some of the feedback we got from the committee was we want to make sure that we have options out there to discuss and look at. So when we uh went in and started doing schedule repair for certified, that's that sheet that was just open. So you can go back and kind of look at it. But um here uh so you'll see A is an average. Um let's go back to that sheet real quick and just look at that. So there's an average. Uh if you scroll up, uh Joel, to the top of the original one, sorry.
>> Fine. >> Okay. >> I move that we approve the response to the open meeting law complaint filed by Steve Morgan. Is >> there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? I >> that's 5 Z. Thank you. >> Appreciate that. Uh, next on the agenda is um updates on 40B projects. >> Yeah, and I I know there hasn't been too too much that has gone on since our last meeting. And I think um I was able to get in your packet uh this time just some of the the major updates. Yeah. >> Did you want me to go through those or was that sufficient for you? >> I to me it was fine. I Unless you folks would like to. >> Is there anything I mean it was very good detail. Is there anything pertinent that it would be good for the public to know from the update that you gave us?
So, I think I think that that was helpful. And then so as a principal, you know, I'm going to say one of the one of the main things and I talked about this in in my resume, but the biggest response that I did listening to the feedback from the teachers was when right after we came back from the pandemic. So when we came back, um it was rough as I'm sure for those of you who are here um all of you know that kind of feels like this time that's sort of like a movie. Um it's a weird area now, but um but at the time when you know we had trouble getting everybody back, it took us a while. So when they did come back, um the teachers begged me to do something about the cell phones. It was very it was rough and I think other schools had the same problem.
>> The last year was the J1 visa situation. >> That's right. It was a band-aid situation which we still have not fixed. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, we're going to bring all of them in. They're going to teach and then after year three they're going to be gone. But yet we put in every single obstacle in front of them. Testing is not an obstacle for professions. >> Did you read the testimony here? It people are paying over $1,000 to get their practice and they have to fly to Aahu in many times. So, we're not trying to figure out an alternate pathway for them. All I'm asking for is solutions. >> Oh, yeah. So, right now ETSs practice is three and free. So, they can take it three times and it's free after that. We've understand that the Department of Education is paying or reimbursing for practice exams.
Or down, whichever way. If you see those pink cells, those are where I just kind of ran some averages of the columns both ways horizontally and vertically and then compared them and then got, you know, an average. So in this average it's 112333 rounded to 1230 11:30. Um the vertical average is 336. Um and so I took an average to try to fix the schedule. So let's just take an average of what already lives there and let's see what happens when we apply it. So now if we go back to the meet and confer summary. Okay, that's what happens. People lose money and you can go down into that schedule and see exactly where people lose money. But you can see the average schedule for certified regg and stem uh 10,000 and 15,000 we people would have to have money taken away from them. Um, we did a low.
I mean it'll get posted when we post our meeting minutes, but is there anything that it would be good for the public to be aware of from those do from the update you gave us, Michael? >> I don't think anything that's new. >> Okay. >> No, >> I did have a question. So, in your summary, we talked there was a that the 20-day appeal period will expire on February 3rd for 10 to 60 Main Street. Was there any appeal? Today is the 4th. >> Um, I was not notified of any appeal. >> Okay. Okay. I was just curious if >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. So, do we just want to kind of review a little bit for the public or I can. >> Yeah. So, currently 61 Waverly is at the conservation commission. >> Yep. They're they're at the concom 10 to 60 Main Street.
Um but we had a hard time re-engaging the students. They were literally watching YouTube movies. It wasn't just texting on their watch or texting on the phone. they were watching full movies. Um they were just completely not engaged in class and um the teachers were also coming back from the pandemic. They were re-engaging. Uh we were still wearing masks. We were still distanced and they said this is our biggest problem. This is our biggest concern right now is we can't do anything uh with the amount of cell phones. Um it was also the time where we had the Tik Tok challenges. Um, and so our my freshman were coming in with really hadn't gone to middle school and and for those middle school, God bless you, teachers and and principles, that's such a transition year when kids come into nth grade. So they came in so behind and they were looking at the Tic Tacs during the day, ripping down um the things in the bathroom, putting lipstick and fingernail polish on the on the bathroom because they were looking at these at these videos.
Um, they're also helping with tutorials or tutoring for practice exams. So, um, we're happy again to still continue to partner with DOE, the educator preparation programs. We do have EPS that have ongoing enrollment. So, if I wanted to be a teacher today, I could actually enroll tomorrow. It's called open enrollment. It's a postback pro uh program that leads to about 18 months. Um, unless they want to go through another program that can take two years with a master's degree. So, there are programs out there where I can enroll if I wanted to be a teacher. Um, but like DS Chan said, there are things that come up. We do have a suspension of the rules if someone has we've had medical concerns come up or they had to take care of their elderly parents that they had to stop their program. They can ask for a suspension of the rules and and get issued another emergency hire permit.
The low was 250 and it's on the other sheet. I'm sorry that it's not on there. Uh, it the reason it's not on there is cuz we're going to do mitigation um schedule repairs for all of the schedules. So, the average, low, mid, high, and alt will look different for classified than it does from certified, which is why I didn't put the amounts in here. The mid I believe is $500 from going from A to B. And then the high is or maybe the high was the a thousand. The high was mo if you go from A to B it's $1,000. So that's kind of the transition of it. The alt is I wasn't seeing anything successful in any of the salary uh repairs scenarios. um just based on the kind of dollars that I know we have on the table potentially. I was like, man, like none of these are going to work.
Um, again, they just with the ZBA, their public hearing has been closed. Public comments closed. Like I said, the the >> 10 to 60 is also in front of Kong, right? Not yet. >> They had not filed yet. Not yet. >> They did file. So, much >> and um >> thanks. >> You know the I will point out that the 55 West Union so the deadline to close that hearing is uh February 22nd. So that day is coming up but uh I think there's still a lot of information that uh there's still waiting >> be provided by the applicant. >> So most likely we'll have to have an extension filed. >> Yes. Okay. So Michael, could you just kind of explain a little bit to the public, you know, what the process is now? So those two projects have their public hearing with the ZBA is closed and now they are well 61 Waly has been with the conservation commission for a little while and then um 10 to 60 is going to start March the first your first meeting in March, right?
um they were trying to find each other during the day, not going to class and wanting to fight. So the teacher said, "Whatever you do, please please." So I did. Um I at the time it was controversial. It's been a while now. And so I took the leap and I asked for uh I asked for approval and the blessing of the school committee and the superintendent at the time to introduce the yonder pouches. Um, I worked with the with the community. Um, you know, there there was a at the time some people wouldn't even some people fought back to me that that phones weren't addictive. Um, I don't think anyone thinks I don't think anyone would fight me on that anymore, but they did. And it was also a time of high anxiety where where parents wanted to contact their kids at all times because they were also anxious.
So four and we only count the time in which they are actually using the permit. So they have to take a break from school uh employment to do something else. We don't calculate that time. So that is actually longer than 3 years. >> And I get it. But what what I'm asking for is if you don't like this bill, what else are you doing to to to make to create a solution so that we can take advantage of this personnel? And I have not heard that from you. All I'm hearing is excuses of what the program is currently, which we understand what the currently is pro currently is. Right. >> Yeah. The Hawaii Teacher Stain Corp is not working on band-aids. We're looking looking at long term, >> but we are we're in a crisis situation. And when you talk about long term, we can't get to the long term if we can't figure out the short term.
Uh so we went and created an an alternative which is a combination of all of them. I think it's 336 A to B and 1,200 from BA to to BA plus 15. And it's consistent. So, every time you go up in education, it's 1,200 1200 1200. Um Joel, if you'll go back to the schedules, go all the way to the bottom, you'll see each one of those scenarios are in here for detail. So, if you get to E, um that's probably high. Yep. High was a,000 and 5,000. Here is a alt. It's 336 and 1250. These are the things that we can keep expanding in the future. So, we might not have the dollars to move this from 336 to 500. Um, we may want to in the future. We may want to incentivize PD and moving from BA to BA + 15. Uh, you might want to move that up to 2,000 or whatever, 1,500.