Whatever that Monday is. Is that it? Um, and then what what exactly and maybe one of the gentlemen here could explain it a little bit. What does it look like when they go before the conservation commission? What kinds of things um does the conservation commission review with uh the the applicant? Yeah, I would probably defer to Gan or Carl to to give specifics, but I do know that it's um you know, so it is the conservation commission is hearing the application under the uh state wetlands uh protection act as opposed to the local bylaw. So it's it's whatever is associated with the with the wetlands protection act and also storm water if I believe so. water, groundwater. Um, you know, obviously you have a riverfront area that's right there that's jurisdictional. >> Sure. >> Thank you. Carl Hackinson, um, vice chair of the, um, conservation commission.
Um, but you know, I really did think it was career suicide. really wasn't sure where it was going to land me at the time. Um, I was nervous, but I really really thought it was important. So, I did respond and it took a while. It did um just to get all the pieces in place. Um, but we did it and um it was tough. It was tough in the beginning. Those first couple days I had students, you know, you're talking a thousand students. I had students literally on the floor. It was four floors on the floor crying uh hysterical because we had taken their phones away. Um which kind of proved to me that there was a problem. Um so from doing that it was a work in progress and then our other high school joined the next year. Um and then I also started to talk in conferences and um nationwide to a lot of other people who wanted to know if if they could go this route.
>> Yeah. We've been in a crisis for 30 years. So I I think working with the >> department you can say that but what when when we're trying to figure out how to get things done today right you have not come to the table with really good solutions >> I can I can provide a list of solutions >> I would love to see them because I have not seen them for a year. >> Yeah I'm happy to provide that. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. >> Um yes >> can you so how long does it take to get licensed once somebody has completed in the future? So if they complete an instate program that's approved by our board, we get the recommendation from the educator preparation program, they have up to six weeks to provide that to our agency because they need to verify grades and all those other things they do at the institution level.
Right now, these are just reasonable numbers, high, mid, and low, average, and then an alternate that would work with our dollars, which is a combination of the process. So, with this one, when you scroll down for the hor horizontal and vertical, check vertical, everybody gets 336, no matter where they're at to go to A to B. Uh, we get rid of that cliff at the beginning, which is inappropriately compressing the schedule. And then if you go from this way to this way, it's,200. Does that make sense? And does anybody have questions about process? Okay, cool. Let's go back to the meet and confer summary. So, this is where Oh, nope. It's on the end. Your last tab. There you go. Uh, this is where the data will start uh filling in as we get more and more. Um, we're we're working feverishly on the classified.
It it really depends on the um uh on the application because all three of them are going to be very different. Um but basically speaking, it's the state law and not the local law. And the state law as it applies to wetlands and applies to um storm water, but they're different because of the different locations. Um 10 to 60 has a flood plane. 61 Wavely does not. Um, and there are a number of other issues that are specific to that site that are not specific to the other sites. So, it it really depends on the site. It'll be different for each one. But basically, what people should know that are watching is that it's the application of the state law and not the local law. >> Okay. What what are the biggest challenges that are faced by the 61 Waverly project? Well, there are three things that we've been concentrating on and one is uh the bedrock issue and you're aware of the bedrock issues in the past in that part of town.
So that was a direct response from teachers and that was a teacher saying please look at this CBS news article on Yonder and please try to help us and so I did and in return I got a lot of support from teachers and in the school they still um they still support it and they still help out a lot. So I think that that's wonderful. As the assistant superintendent, um the feedback that I got received and I've spoken a little a little about this, but it was on behavior management, on safety and security, on making sure that um nothing was brushed under the rug. So you know, I am responsible for making sure that bullying reports get done. I am responsible for making sure I am the title N coordinator. So, you know, I have put strong procedures and policies in place and every single vice principal and principal knows that the minute they think that there is a Title 9 violation, they stop and they call me and I go out and I investigate it myself.
Some institutions can have a quick turnaround. As soon as they apply and that recommendation comes in, they're licensed. So it could take two days, one day, a week. It depends on the uh application when they actually hit submit. It's a quick turnaround. We give priority to our instate graduates. So once that list comes up from an educator preparation program that they have a list of recommended candidates, our uh licensing specialists start licensing them immediately. >> So how long? >> Uh I want to say everything in maybe two days because it depends on how big the numbers are. Like uh Manoa has two to 300 that takes a couple of days to get them all licensed. Um if it's smaller batches then within the day. So if I graduate today and I put in my application today, I could get it in. >> We have to wait for the recommendation of the EP.
We were able to uh as you go across the top, we were able to get years of service adjustments out for everybody except admin. If you scroll all the way over to the end, each one, you can see the total amount there. So, the total amount is to do a years of service adjustment for all the other groups, not including admin. Um, I don't think average is going to work. I don't think we want to take money away from people. I don't think low is going to work. Uh we then now have on the table mid, high, and alt. So those are selections. You would pick one. Uh it' be like a menu of of what you're trying to shop with the dollars you have. Um for the other groups, when you see total A, B, C, D, and E, that's because we'll have other schedule repairs for classified, probably certified exempt, and then um potentially the other schedules.
So, uh that's it's being thoroughly vetted. It's not totally vetted, but it's getting there. Um the second is something called peak discharge of of runoff. um which is the rate that that storm water uh leaves the site. There are certain um um performance standards that need to be met that are set by the state and we have to make sure that those standards are met. And uh lastly is um an an issue that came up that has to do with infrastructure of that's receiving the water, the storm water that's coming from the site and going onto Waverly Street. There were some issues there. um that came to light both in our sitewalk and in our subsequent peer review that um we'll say the applicant has worked with us on all three of these. We've made pretty significant progress. Uh it's I don't know if anyone's had a chance to attend any of the meetings or watch any of the meetings, but they're they're getting a thorough vetting um and will continue to as will the other two.
Um, and I work uh very diligently with what um the guidelines, Massachusetts state law. Um, the other thing was they wanted to make sure the response was, you know, we want to make sure that everyone's safe and that nobody's civil rights are violated. So, again, I have done a lot of um professional development. I've gone around with we we do have a a lawyer who works with us a few days a week and we've gone to all the secondary buildings and I've also um started to go to the elementary. I can't believe I'm going to say this but yes, elementary and we've done professional development on how to investigate when there's complaints. We've done professional development on how to follow Massachusetts state law on discipline and alternatives to suspension and um we've also done a lot on with the alternative suspension we've done a lot of PD on restorative practices.
So the educator preparation program there on their side, they have to verify their grades and there's no outstanding balances and and then they submit the recommendation to us. So once we get that recommendation in, we've had people have pending applications in waiting for the recommendation to come in from the EP and as soon as that happens, our licensing specialist process Okay. Um, a couple of things. Okay. Yeah. So, I I received this one email and [clears throat] he said, "I followed the guidance that was valid at the time. Completed my student teaching info. I've since passed the practice exam. However, HTB HTSB is now asserting that because my requirement were incomplete, out of order. My student teaching in completed four years ago is invalid and must be repeated. this requirement is being imposed even though I have taught science for the past four years in a title one public school first as an emergency hire and now as a long-term substitute.
Uh that's the order of priority that we're working on right now. So those totals for like classified the total would include the years of service adjustment and whatever schedule repair that you choose. That's why the totals look this way for certified because certified is not including years of service. Anyways, math is math. Sorry. Okay. Um then if you scroll down, these are where we talk about some of those compressions. So once we fix the schedules then we have the ability um we still have to do our job responsibility compression for classified uh a years of service compression would be one move up the chain like A to B. Um if we moved everybody up not including admin it's 147,000 right now if it's on the alt schedule. I just picked one. I I don't I'm not telling you which one to pick. I'm just I had to pick one to get you some numbers.
If I may, Claudia, what's the uh response from the uh from the developer >> with regard to with the the water runoff um and the potential use of uh town piping to resolve that issue? Well, this is public record, so I guess I can elaborate on that, but uh as it comes, uh off of the site, um northeasterly um towards Waverly Street, um towards Kok's Garage, uh there's a storm drain there that connects to a subsequent storm drain that then goes into a covert underneath um Waverly Street and then drains down towards the railroad tracks. the condition of that pipe um that connects the two storm drains and the condition of the culvert are um uh they're not in good shape and we've brought that to their attention and um in the course of discussion they have offered to replace the pipe. >> Oh, so they changed their they changed their uh opinion.
So that's in response from what they were asking from me. So, I've done I had done restorative practice, you know, in bits and pieces for years as a as a teacher and then a little bit as a vice principal and then you would just see it in pockets. So, when the law changed in Massachusetts and we really were strong on trying to decrease our suspension rates, um I relooked at the restorative practices and there were people doing it, but I looked at it more from a global on how we could do more of that. So um I listened to them and you know I was very excited last year to re-engage in restorative practices. We did two professional developments, two days a piece, >> and um we hired someone from the outside to come in and we trained principles, vice principles, counselors, and a few interested teachers on the basics of restorative practices and then in so then they're using some of those uh practices and ideas.
So, you know, these are just an example of some of the complaints that there's a lot of technical issues that is going on with the teacher standard board and and just putting obstacles in in people who >> are capable of teaching and is not able to get their license. So that um practice exams uh comes from the educator preparation program side. When they go before the board for approval, they can say they're going to get all their credits, their content, and coursework or they're going to do coursework and we're requiring them to take a test. The requirements come from the educator preparation program. So the educator preparation program is the one that guides them all the way till they get recommendations. So they're making sure they're meeting all requirements. in this instance. Unfortunately, the A did not guide him correctly and so they um and not to go too into depth with that because that was in executive session um the board did look at it and gave a solution.
Um, if we do a recruit compression fix, that's moving the whole schedule up. So, everybody on that schedule moves up. The 50,000 moves up and it's a 1% across the board. Like everyone moves up on the whole schedule. Um, let's go back to the to the certified schedule again. I want to show one thing. In order to make alt work, if we go to the top of e alt right there, notice it's 50,835. That's how I got rid of the cliff. I absorbed it into a so that now you don't go A to B to get that. We just move the schedule up, which is why people would get more dollars. And when you look at the cost of the schedule, that's where it's coming from. So that would mean that our new schedule kind of already has some built-in moving the 50 to 835.
Well, they changed it uh somewhere between the sitewalk and when we talked about it at the meeting because we were going to raise the issue and they raised it voluntarily. >> Okay. >> Um we thought that um even though it it it it may be questionable whether it's directly jurisdictional for the conservation commission to talk about structural issues in the road. We thought that we would be derelct in approving something uh that was going to cause potential damage to the road and to the piping system and they knew that you know they knew that we were going to raise that and so they they preemptively volunteered to replace the pipe. We still haven't finished that discussion yet, but we furthered the discussion on um Monday evening >> and it's been that's that uh has also been continued to uh the first um the first week of March >> and that's when the 10 to 60 project will begin.
But I think as we know if you if it's not a system, if it's not a structure, if it's not really um rolled out in a in a manner, they'll continue just to be pockets. So this year in March, I know now have a 3-day co uh train the trainer, train the coach um PD that's going to happen with some outside consultants. So, they're going to come in and they're going to train 10 of us, my district uh director of counseling, myself, and some principles and counselors, and they're going to train us on how to coach others and how to train others. And then that group of 10, we will um develop a three to five year plan for the district so that we can really make sure that um the structure is there and that who's ever in that seat and whoever is rowing that boat has the policies and procedures and has that knowledge.
Um so again it's about guidance of our educator preparation programs which leads to that moratorium again are all our EPS understanding the process. Okay, process is one thing. Okay, and I understand we need to have a process, but sometimes you got to go beyond the process and said, "Okay, fine. You you got the wrong guidance, but you know what? You've been teaching, you're a good teacher, whatever. You have credentials, then you know, again, it seems like it's too stringent as to how how some of these these um processes are being applied and then being, you know, and I'm not saying that's the only problem, but that might be one of the small problems that you folks can maybe >> Yeah. and the board addressed that uh quickly and gave a solution. So that that individual has a solution um for their for their concerns or issues, >> but I don't know what that solution might be.
Yes, this year's B is next year's A. I had to get rid of that. Trying to do it averaging in it just kept losing people money. Um if I kept the 50, it just kept either being too expensive or not expensive enough. So finally I was like, well, let's just move B to A and see what happens. And that's what happened. It just came out nicely. Um, so it handles a lot of different things. It could look different in the other schedules. This is what worked for this schedule. The other schedules have that same cliff, the A to B cliff. So um, so that's the background. If we go back to that other tab, Joel. Okay. Then uh, so there's some dollars. We're putting it together. It's obviously not completely done. Let's talk about what's below. So, a couple questions I have. Should district subs get years of service updates?