So I know you were just giving that as an example. Sure. But yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I think you know I have had standards around timely uh like when you're evaluating an option is is it timely? Can it be done in a certain time frame and if it's not then it is something that is goes on a list like you had last year is like this is what we need to review or continue to work or create a course or whatever. So everybody good with that? Okay. All right. We're going to talk quickly. This is the part I skipped this morning. I'm going to come back. I'm not we're not going to address any other issues today just because it it is takes time. But I want you to know what you did today. I know we had a lot of information update this morning and I know pacing was a concern, but I'm feeling good about where we are.
I think we're still we got three full days. I'm feeling like we're going to be able to tackle it. um knowing that we may have to farm out a task force or whatever it may be for certain uh things. So, what I want to talk to you about right now are standards. Um, which is part of the process when you are evaluating your options. And I I went over it quickly when we did our uh kickoff meeting, the very first one, but I didn't dive into it. And we're not going to do this today, but when we get the information and everything we need, we're going to start evaluating these options through the lens of these standards. It's my understanding that these are the same standards. Maybe a little tweak and we can adjust uh that you previously had. So again, this is how we're looking through options and assessing how well the option aligns with our interest so that we are making good decisions about which options that we move forward.
So what I want you to do is I want you to think about a past IBN issue. I wasn't here last year, so I don't know what all of them were, but I heard a conversation about compression that got animated. Maybe that is the thing. And I want you or maybe it was another district related decision. Maybe it doesn't have to do with IBM. And I want you to look at these standards aligned to student outcome focused governance. Is it legal? It's got to be legal. It's got to be aligned to the law, both federal and state. Your policy uh and any regulations I have fiscally responsible and sustainable. We can look at that in two different ways. And we'll talk about if we need to add one more standard. So, does it work today, but will it work long term? Right? Earlier I gave the crazy idea about everybody getting a 50% raise.
That's great for maybe one year, if even that. probably not definitely going to put you in receiverhip uh pretty quick. Okay, so you've got to think about as great as that might be, is it going to be sustainable? Uh and is it in the best interest of children? Now, this was my definition of that. It's supporting their well-being, safety, positive school experience, which is a little bit different than your sof um so if I need correction, please please let me know. I I'm glad to hear that. So, what I want you to do is I want you to think about a past IBN issue. So, think on your own or a district decision. Which of these four standards was the most relevant when you were making that decision or when you were in IBN? So just think to yourself an IBN issue and which standard was the most relevant.
Everybody got one in mind and you've got your standard chosen? I want you to turn to the person sitting next to you and talk about what was the IBN issue or the decision and which standard and why you thought it was the most relevant. Go ahead and talk to your neighbor next to you. Your neighbor neighbor. >> How many times does that happen? You're like, "What? All right. If I can have everybody's attention, anyone willing to share what their IBN issue or a district decision was and which standard you thought was the most uh relevant to it? neighbor. Thank you. He couldn't help it. I was staring at him. Oh, thank you. >> Here we go with the mic. >> Don't touch the top. Use the arm. >> Um, [clears throat] me and Justin pretty much came to agreeance on like the same issue. So, I feel like it's a bigger one.
We always, it always comes up. I've been in IBM, I think, through this my third year, maybe fourth. Um, compensation compensation. >> Um, it's come up every year. I mean, other topics have and like one of the biggest things that I think about when we talk about compensation is it fiscally responsible and sustainable because we can't like like you said, you're exaggeration. You can't give everybody 50% raise and it ain't we can't do that forever, >> right? >> But everybody always wants more money. >> Good. >> Did anyone else talk about compensation but view it through a different lens? No. Same. Okay. another IBN issue that you and your partner talked about in a different standard that you utilize. Thank you, neighbor, for sharing. Don't make eye contact with me. I see you all looking away. Amber, >> I'm just kidding. She doesn't want me to share her.
>> Oh, she doesn't? Okay. Anyone else? another IBN issue and a different standard that you thought was most relevant. Nothing. FMLA came up in IBN or just as a >> FMLA came up and and unfortunately there's legal ramifications for it. So we weren't able to >> move forward's legal restrictions. >> Absolutely. Very good. But you might also be talking about that in the best interest of children with regard to FM. I'm making a real stretch here, but I don't want anyone in a classroom or doing their job if they are injured or they should be spending time with their newborn baby. I you know what I mean? I'm I again I'm making a stretch, but I don't know that that's always in the best interest of kids, especially >> right. >> Yes. >> Wow. I don't think that flew under the legal one either, did it?
Okay. >> It was option. >> All right. So, now what I'm going to have you do is I'm going to read out a scenario and you need to decide. I have four corners. Well, sort of align to SOFG, best interest of children. Uh Vanessa's going to go over there because I have legal over here hanging by a thread on my post-it. And Vanessa because she's the money person is guess which one she's gonna have fiscally responsible and sustainable. So I'm going to read the scenario. You are going to go to whichever area you think should apply. Everybody ready? Okay. Here's your first one. What which one you think is the most important? Uh the district is considering reducing elementary security staff due to budget constraints. >> These are hypothetical scenarios. >> Say it again. >> The district is considering reducing elementary security staff due to budget constraints.
That's legal. fiscal best interest of children. Okay, >> Vanessa, I don't I'm not sure where you would land and I know you're not participating in this, but I'm curious if you would be standing where you're standing on this particular issue. >> The district has made a decision to >> is considering reducing elementary security staff due to budget constraints. You can think about it. >> I'm here. >> Okay. >> And Daniel, you're moving to this side. >> Now, what I want you to know, you're not right. You're not wrong, and you're not right. And you're not wrong. What I want you to see is there are different ways to evaluate this particular option. It's not that this is the most important, but what you can see is that different people depending maybe on their role or what they're doing or what they're thinking about may look at a standard different than someone else.
So, it's not a matter of right or wrong. It's just a matter of knowing first of all you all are wallto-wall. You're not just a teacher. You got to think about everybody else in the room. And some of you are thinking about some of you are thinking just about your own position. But what I want you to do is look around and see who else is thinking slightly different. Doesn't mean they're wrong and it doesn't mean they're right. And the same goes for you. Does that make sense? All right, let me do another one. A transportation supervisor wants to reduce bus routes to improve efficiency. A transportation supervisor wants to reduce bus routes to improve efficiency on the book of time. What's that one? >> This is aligned to SOFG. This is legal. This is uh fiscally responsible. This is in the best interest of children.
You're in this one. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh Brian, would you mind sharing why you picked this >> alignment best interest because I thought if uh it would be less less bus stops so kids would have to walk longer from whatever they got dropped off on which could be dangerous especially along McDonald. >> Great. One way to look at it Caroline were you looking at it the same way or slightly different? Um, it was kind of looking at the same like definitely, but I felt like was it more efficient for the kids? I felt it was kind of more efficient for transportation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it could be with like you said with the kids walking farther. >> Okay, good. How about someone over here? Why why did you pick fiscally responsible and sustainable? I thought it was this kind of responsible and there was a study a research basic efficiency of the last rout that's what we need to do but it was expensive and I really don't mind walking I think it's good to move it's healthy promotes well [laughter] >> and the district right >> become adults and behaviors are when they're young and I mean, we don't open doors >> there.
There is a component to that. Yeah. And again, to your point, depending on what the route is. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I back in the day, I always worried about my McKenna Vento that were sometimes on the bus for an hour in the morning, an hour in the afternoon, uh, which makes for a very long day. Dorothy, and then Yolanda, I'm coming to you. I just want to say that don't assume that if we're standing here that we don't think that walking is good for kids because I'm over here because I would like that to be part of consideration that it is okay to walk two or three blocks instead of one block but that's again best interest of students as opposed to >> absolutely because I think that I agree with you. I'm like, I'm okay with there being less bus stops.
>> And that's what I'm saying. >> But because do not stand in judgment of this group and you guys can't do the same thing for them. But do you see the lens they look through may not have been your lens and you look through a lens that was a little bit different and Yolanda looked through another lens. Tell us about yours. >> Action taken because the transportation person decided to cut down um and maybe safety for their children. >> Okay. So, there might be you could have some potential legal implications. Um >> that's right. And then there are no laws, correct me if I'm wrong, transportation people that that you have to transport within a particular radius. Correct. So there's >> other miles, >> right? >> You could increase it, right? Which could be what this option is. I don't know. But again, not wrong.
Different different lens, different idea. All right, come on back to your seats. Thank you, Vanessa, for holding my sign up. >> Yeah, >> I you are not wrong. [laughter] Even if the option is walking to school, right? >> Not true though. do something else even if it was okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, >> lastly, I want to talk about the evaluation scale that we will use when we are evaluating the options. So, the options we came up with today, I'm going to ask you all and we have to do this in an equitable fashion uh to make sure that the groups are balanced and represent balanced. does a four means that that option fully aligns with standard. And we do this one by one. So, I'm going to say, "Okay, is this option legal?" I'm going to look around. You're all going to hold your fingers up.
You're not going to look and wait to see what your neighbor does. This is your evaluation of that particular option. So, I'll do uh with kids, I'll say one, two, three, and you'll have to hold up your numbers. >> You're talking about standard that you chose. >> I'm talking the standard you chose. So, if we had the option to uh give a 50% raise and the first standard is legal. Let's do a little test run. I'm going to say 1 2 3. Is it legal to give a 50% raise? 1 2 3. So, you can see what I'm going to do is then I go around and I add up and we're going to see how much that option. So, then I'm going to same option 50% raise. Is it aligned to SOFG? One, two, three. So, you can see people have different ratings and that's okay.
The next uh 50% raise, is it fiscally responsible and sustainable? >> Hurry up. >> Can you fire half the people? >> Okay. >> So, do you see? And sometimes, right, it's really easy. We'll say, "Okay, everybody had a one." Like when they're outrageous like that, that tends to happen. Um, and then is it uh in the best interest of children, show me your evaluation score for a 50% raise. One, two, three. Some of you think so. Some of you do not. You got to think about it, right? Because if you wipe out half your staff because you or you go into receiverhip and there are no more uh what what happens that they come in and they take over and they're going to tell you what to do and who knows what might change. But again, you can see how we'll go through each option and evaluate it through that criteria.
So I just wanted you to get a a understanding of what standard evaluation is. Good. All right. We are going to end probably a little bit early. Is everybody okay with that? Alexis thinks she's got a cold or something coming on. >> Uh whoops, whoops, whoops, oops, oops. All right, our next meeting is March 5th in the interim. We're going to hopefully get some information that says we we have this info or we don't or we need more time or whatever that may be. Uh we're going to talk about what's going to um we may be able to start addressing compensation. I don't know. I'll have to talk to Vanessa. Um, we need to think about what other issues that we have. Again, we unless I'm missing something, we've tackled working conditions, but I want to make sure uh at our next meeting that we're all comfortable with that and benefits was one of your lowest rated.
Uh, and based on the data I saw today, now I know why. Because the they're pretty solid here. Uh, I know it's not that way for those people that have family coverage. It's a lot of money, but um we'll have to make some Vanessa is who's in charge of benefit? You have a benefit or insurance committee. >> This group is going to make. Okay. So, we'll take whatever their recommendations are and this group has to approve. Okay. So, we may tackle that as well.
>> Any questions about that? >> Dates of when I think I can bring what. Um, not just yet, but we we could potentially put that in the chat. That might be helpful. Dorothy, >> I I guess I have um so we've we've always done some kind of data collection, but we've never been so um specific that it must every conversation must be driven by the survey. And I 100% appreciate that the survey was large enough to reach the percentage that is whatever that thing is >> statistically relevant, right? Significant, whatever. Um and while people might not have prioritized benefits in the past, I can guarantee you um if for the first time ever we start cost sharing, it will be their top issue next year. >> Oh, sure. So, I mean, I don't I I think we have to be careful not to make assumptions about people's priority for things that haven't ever had been something they had to really >> like, do I I want to cost share insurance and get a raise or like those kind of offset each other.
Why would I? Right. So, I just think >> I I did not mean to come across that way. I'm just saying on the on your survey priorities, it was compensation, working condition, benefits. That does not mean we're not going to talk about it and come up because you are right because I think from what I'm hearing today, you're gonna have to make a decision about if we do this then can we do this or not or whatever that may be. So, okay. All right. We need to come up with a collaborative statement for the work that we did today. You already got it. Read it out loud for us, please. That will save my Ah, even better. Dorothy would relinquish the microphone. That'd be great. All right. Uh mean confer uh we met today. Scope of meeting and confer includes wages, salaries, etc. That's the boilerplate beginning.