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Um, so that's one you add to it. It's, you know, this is small. It's not going to be that expensive, but it got cleared down a six on here. Um, let me look find the other ones. >> We don't care about you guys, I guess. >> Baby [laughter] BC fire alarm system. We said it's in pretty good shape. what it looks like from our conversation, but you need to have in the future that in mind. You know, there's a there will be a number of years, like five years, maybe you should be at least thinking about it from a budget perspective just in case. Uh so, >> and it's that much money, 915,000 >> for a high school. >> Yeah. >> So, yours is approximately 15 to 18,000 for is what the Can I Why do we need one? I mean, is it building? >> It's it's it's going to be code, but you're probably grandfathered at this point.
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So to say that this violates collective bargaining is ridiculous. Uh I will also say that you folks asked for and we had a study conducted on salaries and the salary study basically said that you know in jurisdictions where they have annual salary uh step movement you know things are better. So we appreciate your consideration of this. Mahalo. >> Thank you Deborah Bon Upson. it. Are they on is this person on Zoom? Deborah, >> not on Zoom, chair. Okay. >> And then we have John Fitzpatrick on Zoom in support >> not present on Zoom chair. >> Okay. That completes our list of registered testifiers. I'll also note that there were 16 16 in support, two in opposition, and three comments.
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>> You did you can keep getting away with it. Um, but uh if you did a renovation, let's say just theoretically, let's say you're going to move all your paper files over here and you need to start rearranging walls and things to make it work, then it would be imposed on the problem. >> Yeah. You probably couldn't like get the permit to do it. Y >> Okay. >> And there there the PC fire alarm uh is is on here as a number six. And again, that's going to be You can see the note in the right column if needed in the future. Everything seems to be working well now from my recollection. But you know once you're getting out 20 25 years on equipment like panels like that and devices you can you can start having problems original to the construction. >> I say it will be in 20 years this year.
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Uh any questions, members? Okay. If not, we'll move on to our last item on our agenda. is uh Senate Bill 3282. This is relating to the workforce PEL grant program. Establishes the statewide framework for the implementation of the federal workforce PEL grant program to provide financial aid for certain short-term workforce education and training programs. First up on our list from the Attorney General's Office, Candace Park or in person. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. Good morning, chairs, vice chairs, and members of the committees. Uh due the due to the involvement of University of Hawaii in this bill, we suggest indicating that it's a matter of statewide concern. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Deborah Halbert from University of Hawaii >> or Dborah? Is it Dborah? >> It's Deborah. My dad spelled it wrong on my birth certificate. >> I'm sorry. >> Um good morning or afternoon chairs, vice chairs, members of the committee.
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Yeah. >> So, you're going to get something like that. Go 25 years, never have a problem. Sometimes you got software issues that don't update anymore or something. >> Yeah. >> And you get stuck. But if you got a good provider who takes services that, >> just keep that conversation. Say, "Hey, where you think we're at with this?" >> Don't let it Don't let it sneak up on you where it's no longer service. >> Yeah. Or Yeah. Can't because couldn't get replacement parts or any of did and and I'm sorry if you already discussed this. [clears throat] The the auditorium lighting has that been fixed or we not having issues? >> I haven't been getting [clears throat] any complaints. >> What's happened? >> I don't know if Corey has been. >> He put on the spreadsheet no complaints as of this date. [laughter] >> Okay. We're not really sure.
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Deborah Halbert, vice president for academic strategy. Uh, the University of Hawaii stands on its testimony. Happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Deborah. Uh, we also have Sher Manure, president of the Chamber of Commerce of Hawaii in support. >> Aloha, vice chairs, um, testifying on behalf of Chamber of Commerce. We stand on our testimony in support. >> Okay. In support. Thank you. That completes our list of registered testifiers. A total of that was three in support, zero in opposition, and three comments. Uh, anyone else that wishes to testify on Senate Bill 3282? If not, >> oh yes. Oh, sorry, director. I missed you. >> I had I had you down, but it didn't say. >> No, no, he had he was down. >> That's why. >> But he didn't have in person or Zoom. Well, go ahead, director. >> Good afternoon, uh, Chair Elephante, Chair Kim, Vice Chairs, uh, Lamosau, Kdan, and Kanani, and members of the committee.
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Cory >> could probably answer that better, but >> [clears throat] >> And and so when you have the threes and then you have the fours and and so on, you prioritize that based on the the report. >> The report was a a heavy indicator, but it was also our conversation. I don't know if you recall, we did a survey. >> We did uh we had conversation. So you know >> like where they're feeling the pain. You all did a lot of work to get those numbers there, right? >> You did a lot of work. So that's that should hopefully pay off for you in the present, >> the amount of work you all did there. >> So for Tracy, when we're looking at the capital projects, how how far out uh in your experience do we dare go to be realistic? Like, so if we're looking at, okay, this will be what we do in 26 or we'll do that in 27.
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Uh I'm Jed Bai, director of the Department of Labor and Industrial Relations. Uh we stand on our submitted written testimony offering comments. Uh you have our testimony. Um and I just want to add that uh besides uh talking with NASA or the National State Workforce Agencies and other states. uh we along with the uh uh DOE and workforce development council have been participating with the National Governor's Association uh session on implementing the workforce PEL grant uh you know make sure that we navigate the changes and you know we ensure a successful implementation so you have our continued commitment for uh that we will do what is necessary and proceed accordingly. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Director Boutai. >> Um, anyone else on Senate Bill 3282? >> Okay. Okay. If not, members questions. >> Yeah, Jane, can you come back up? Jake, who exactly is the point person at the administration that is bird dogging this to make sure that um we can comply with the new regulations?
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Is is 28 and 29 almost too far for the capital projects amount? No. I mean, so there's a couple different ways to do these type of things. Obviously, like the Stacy's been talking about combining things and doing them in a bond or a refinancing on a race rental thing, getting bring up money to do that or you pay for it out of the operations with the capital projects amount that we have. But obviously, there's certain things that we have to do every year to maintain stuff. So like they do the seal coating for the asphalt and that comes out of projects mounts and some other routine stuff that gets done >> in the summer. So you need to make sure you're paying for that. So if you were if you wanted like say Stacy said that otter chiller for $300,000 was going we could get by and not replace it for five years or three to five years.
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I've been to conferences on the mainland and this is a big concern um as to how the changes that are going to be occurring and that is the the jurisdiction according to the feds is rest with the governor's office. So yeah. >> Yes. So it's been WDC who's been coordinating the meeting. Uh you know they've been [clears throat] >> who has been >> WDC workforce development council. >> Okay. And the person there >> uh Bennett u Mr. Lucha [clears throat] >> and where do you where do you see the timeline on this from the >> well we're waiting for the you know the guidance from DOE they're creating the rules and you know they're working with the do they're providing the technical and the support I mean they've been saying soon but you know what >> when you say DOE you're talking about >> USDE >> the USDA >> yeah US department of education >> right yeah I was told the early summer maybe.
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We could start saying, "Okay, we're going to if we have I'm just throwing this number out there for numbers, but we have a million dollars to spend on capital projects. So, of that million dollars, we're going to save $100,000 of that for the next three years. And then the fourth year would be the year that we would replace the chiller >> and um so we would just make sure that we would hold that money in. And even when we do our reporting uh for our form nine our month six month report to the DOE they ask are any of these cash balances are you accumulating money for capital budget capital projects. So you would just, you know, make sure that you protect that money in your cash balance and then pay for it that way >> or these big ticket that's the only way you can pay for these big ticket items out of the operations is over time accumulating money which we had done before in some of the other things like with the track and you know those type of things.
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>> Well, it's I think it should be sooner because by July 1st it's supposed to, you know, this is supposed to >> supposed to be right. Yeah. So, summer so doesn't give us a whole lot of time. >> Will this affect um all the all the programs or just the workforce portion? >> Just the workforce portion. I mean I know when the you know on the one big beautiful bill they tried to put all the you know the the Wagner Fiser um into you know into one they call it make America skilled again. So I mean the way the this administration I mean they've not just delayed the distribution and funding but they've also you know shifted some policies. >> Okay. So, do you feel that this bill can proceed prior to them? >> I don't think you would need a statute to do what we're doing now.
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We I mean we've done that we've done it both ways you know we've accumulated money and we've done geo bonds so or refinanced a lease rental and used it for that. So those are the two options that how you can pay for these things. But if you have several that are needing it right away, then the [snorts] only really way to do it is like a geo bond or uh refinancing rental. >> I I'll say just just playing with numbers here too and saying we could trust trust the prioritization that happened last time. Let's just look at it that way and say, okay, what happens if we do uh ones, I mean, sorry, twos and threes and leave out any anything we had in there for storage, right? Because that seems like we're a little bit maybe over that perhaps at this point. That and contractor expenses that comes out to $1.6 million.
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I think we, you know, you just because plus, I mean, there's still some, you know, I think there's still a lot of uncertainty until we, you know, until we get the the rule, I don't think we should, you know, finalize. Okay. >> So, are you saying that you have the adequate staffing and funding to go ahead with this? >> I mean, depending on which entity is going to be doing the, you know, like in terms of the grant making, I mean, I know we we've already I mean, uh, you know, our own workforce development division, they, you know, they they they have the expertise on, you know, u getting, uh, processing federal grants. So they understand the compliance requirements, the audits. >> So have you guys discussed it as to whether or not there are appropriate staffing and funding to proceed? >> I think you know like I said this is a I don't think we we should overhaul the you know the system because until we know what's what's coming down I mean we shouldn't overhaul the system but I think we should be meeting and making sure that you we're prepared.
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>> So just the twos was like 900 something. Uh just the two. Yeah, I think it was 9 something. Just the two is 915,000. And again, these contracts. >> Yeah. >> And so what was the 1.6? >> That was that was the twos and the threes without storage. I have storage on this list, but I I took that out. >> Yeah. Yeah. And just to back up, I just checked with Corey and they are still having trouble with the lighting in the auditory >> and that you know that in lighting if it's all new, you might spend more than that. If it's we figure out how to fix what's there, you spend maybe a lot less than that. So, we need to do some if if that's something we're going to like say this is it. We're going to get this nail. We're going to figure it out.
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Um, director Bhutai under rulemaking authority. So you me so in the bill it has the workforce development council. Do you think that's the appropriate entity or should it be DL DLR in general? >> I mean the way that uh the WDC is designed it's an advisory. It's not a >> so they don't do rulem now. >> No the rule making when you're talking about is the USDOE they will be the one that's okay. >> Yeah. They're not doing the rule making. But we have you may adopt chapter 91 as necessary. >> Yeah, they can do rule making if you guys want them to you know because at the end of the day >> they can do that now though [clears throat] is the question. >> If that's the policy they can they can do the rule making. >> Okay. Or would you prefer that to be under DIR because DI can do rulem itself?
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>> But that thing seems to be like a grim. They cannot figure it out. I mean, we've had so many people here. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think the lights themselves the system. >> Yeah. >> Just something that Yeah. causes >> I I am going to say I don't know about items like the Otterban staff restrooms. the Prairie Crossing staff restrooms. I know they want them, but it all it has to be a part of a a big construction project in my mind and we had that ought to but it didn't we we couldn't make it work with the budget. I I just don't know why that's still on here. I I don't mind wish list. >> Yeah, I don't see that happening. You might make that, you know, priority 10. So excuse at the bottom of the list and you don't lose track of people's want.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, we do. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Oh yeah. Senator director um as I look at the workforce development council it is advisory from the governor's office or is the governor and that I look at the members of of um this group for the Pell Grant and it's a PEL grant program it looks like it goes across the board with various organizations including um the university and DOE um and so it it seems to be a purview of of all of the various agencies in order to to really execute on on projects. So I'm just wondering whether this workforce development council as I understand it does have members from across the board. So um you know in terms of of this is this bill it seems to allow for that and be able to be u much more expansive in terms of programming.
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You know, you could we can type a 10 right here and resort you know. >> Yeah. >> If that's the way you want to roll. Uh that's what these are for. You know, you have to do that reassessment based on where you're at. >> I think the storage should be >> Yeah, I I think we the storage and the those staff restrooms. I think if we're just being realistic, I don't see >> storage is a 10. Staff restrooms are 10. >> Okay. Uh let's see. Staff rest that I can't remember. >> I honestly think I honestly think that the courtyard concrete down. >> We're just going to have to keep >> Yeah, we have there's nothing wrong with it. Just weed. Yeah, somebody just has to be >> okay. >> Right. >> Otterman Courtyard. We had concrete there, too. Probably. That's a four right now, but we're going to say that's probably >> okay.
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So um I'm not sure whether within department of labor and the workforce development division that it it really does provide that kind of um extensive review by various agency across the state. So um what how would it be different if it were under WDD instead of WDC workforce development division in labor department versus workforce development council across the board from you know the university to the department of education to other organizations the private sector as well. Well, I was just talking about, you know, the consult consultation, you know, can be done by the WDC, but in terms of the administering, I think is that's what I'm trying to point out that it >> because you you got to have uh, you know, I mean, the the the Pell Grant, I mean, it's not a I don't think you learn it overnight on how to administer because you could jeopardize, you know, you could get audit [clears throat] findings or even lose federal funds if you're if you're not in compliance.
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