It's risk for >> also [clears throat] you got to look at you know the trailer goes out well then if it goes out that's closes. >> Yeah. >> We don't want that. >> Yeah. That's a different that's that's where you say that's not worth the risk. No, >> might be here, right? You just got to decide that for yourselves, right? >> Okay. So, that's uh the HVAC the admin work mini split. You know, again, you know, that piece of equipment you can probably get really fast and get it installed pretty quick. It's very simple. So, that might be one you you don't care at all about taking some risk on, you might guess. I'm not sure about the other one. I don't I don't know about that package unit that [snorts] about how long it would take to get it. It's probably very similar to the one we're putting on the annex fil.
Hearing none. Um all members vote I chair. Your recommendation is adopted. >> Same recommendation for Senate Bill 3282 for committee on education. Uh pass with amendments. Chair votes I. Vice votes I. Senator Fukin excused. Senator Hashimoto. Hi. >> Senator Decoy. Hi. Measures adopted. Madam chair. Hang on. >> Um, if we can go back to >> I'm sorry, members. Um, >> the decision on 2391 >> to reconsider our previous decision on Senate Bill 2391 relating to education. I know we just voted on that, but um, Chair Kim also wants to >> We had an amendment that I'm sorry if I slipped my mind. um to include charter schools uh into the steps as well. I mean they're also teachers and they should be included and that was a amendment that um somehow got overlooked in in the whole process. So if we can go and amend that to also include uh that amendment members, is there any objections to including that amendment?
>> Yeah, that's what I was I'm thinking out loud is we could find out how long to probably know. >> But you know, it's probably not going to be >> it's usually not any less than six weeks >> to get one. Which one did we have to wait on that BC to August or something? >> The pool thing. >> Is that the humidifier? >> No, that was that was the design. >> Oh, yeah. >> Things have gotten better on weight times. You know, they got terrible now they're getting better. >> Only bay exhaust [clears throat] exhaust. >> I know. If you're working on and it's zero degree out zero degrees outside you all keep the door closed and you're working on it you really you know that was something of some concern you know that we talked about that probably I I would recommend if you're doing a project that's one you can sneak in >> the safety >> the last one before the red >> [snorts] >> I'm going to >> see where our money's at.
So do we need to take a revote on? >> It probably should. >> In abundance of caution, we'll take a revote. Go ahead. >> We have vote sheets, extra vote sheets. Okay, >> it's okay. I can do it. >> This is Senate Bill 2391. [laughter] >> Well, we have to hold on. We have to vote. She The vote she does say amend with amendment. So, I don't think we need to actually retake the vote, but we can verbally. There are no objections to the to the vote that was taken earlier to include >> include the charges. Okay. >> So So technically um since everyone voted for it, someone in the majority can move to basically in effect move to reconsider and then now and no objection to that. So now we're voting on the bill. >> So you can just use one sheet, >> right?
If we think about grabbing those on the uh the finish system. So, what room is that for a specific room here in this building? It's probably the room. The work room is what it said. Where >> it's where the copier's at. >> Okay. >> It has a different thermostat in the copy room. It's an individual. So, it's on different system. The rest of these offices, >> it says there's three residential. >> The building is heated and cooler. Three residential gas furnaces. So, there's three different Jennifer has a different thermostat. What are they talking about going back with the >> um it says replace all HVAC units in the office area with a padmounted rooftop unit that's capable of >> fresh air into the building as well as providing e economic >> it's treated like a house instead of commercial building you're saying when you change it >> cha house >> so it looked like this condenser out here one of them was very new looking.
Okay. >> So why don't we just do that technically >> orally here? Is that okay? >> I'll defer to >> our our veterans in the room. >> It's technically [laughter] okay. >> U so members, what we're going to do is we're going to reconsider the committee's previous action on Senate Bill 2391 relating to education. And that was uh we're going to report it out with amendments. Um the amendments that were stated was we're going to adopt AG's proposed amendments in their testimony and change the effective date to January 1st, 2020 uh 2077. We're going to reconsider that. So is there a second to reconsider? >> Okay. It's been moved and seconded. Any objection to the reconsideration? Okay. If not, hey members, now we're back to the previous bill. So we're going to include the charter school in this amendment. So, we're going to pass with amendments, adopt AG's proposed amendments in their testimony, and then also include charter schools as part of this bill.
The other one looked like it was older than old. So when I just drove up, I noticed that. [clears throat] So So you know residential unit is not pulling in a code code regulated amount probably for commercial building fresh air. Any commercial building you're pulling in fresh air and tempering it. So that's probably not happening here. much sounds like. >> Yeah. The bus maintenance area is heated with four gas fired radiant two heaters with only natural cooling and ventilation provided with open garage doors. It is recommended to add mechanical exhaust to the space to allow for the space to be ventilated during winter months without needing overhead doors to be open. >> Yeah, that's >> now twos and a single three and fours are one almost 1.4. So that again >> 1.4 if you with the re with moving all those to 10 that we just did and the twos through the fours prime contracts are 1,395,000 two through four with the latest changes.
Any further discussion on that? >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh with that, um being that no further discussion, Vice Chair Lamasau, uh we have to take a vote >> if we have to take a vote again. >> Yeah. Uh I don't have to, but >> yeah, we'll just take just do it. Okay. Okay. Members voting on SP 2391 recommendation of the chairs to pass with amendments. Noting all members present. Anyone voting with reservations or no?
You >> said >> So then [snorts] I don't see any fives. We have no problems. >> Um what about those BC uh air handlers? Did we do something with that? >> What happened to my >> I sorted it gone. >> There weren't very many admin compliant reg. [cough] [clears throat] >> Yeah. And so the big one there was the u air handlers. >> Air handlers are what you call a big project. >> You're looking at that. I'm surprised that number is even that low just >> I don't I was I say I don't understand that but there's >> 25 >> well there wasn't >> there was a certain amount that >> there was like two I think that we were talking about replacing >> does it say >> let's see >> you see the date we put on there what we might thinking we'd get to it based [clears throat] on the condition of Oh, okay.
Hearing none. Chair, all members vote I. Your recommendation is adopted. >> Okay. And same action for the committee on education for the Senate that we are amending uh this bill to include the charter schools as well as the other amendments mentioned. Uh and so with that, chair vai. Members, if there's no objections to the amendments. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We're adjourned. >> Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Chair. I just wanted to make my note. I know I wasn't here. Oh, my support for the relating to safety education workers uh bill >> 3179. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyway, >> appreciate it. >> We appreciate that. Thank you. We are adjourned. Okay. Okay, we'd like to call to order the committee on education for the Senate on our second agenda item. It is 1:44 p.m. We are still in room 229 and it is still Friday, February 6.
So, that's >> So, we weren't thinking it was an emergency. >> Air handlers in the building are a mix of relatively new units from York that were installed in the 2005 time frame for most of the building. The gym units are original to the building and date back to 1966, as well as several small units in the athletic wings and former construction trades rooms that are also original to 1966 and in need of replacement. Generally, is possible to refurbish air handlers if the unit casing is in good condition, the joints are tight, etc. However, is more often less costly to replace a unit due to the amount of labor needed to carefully disassemble a unit. then reassemble it with field measured dampers, coils, fans, etc. In most cases, units are less than um 20,000 I don't know what CFM is, but some >> cubic feet >> cubic okay is more cost effective to replace than to refurbish.
Uh first item on the agenda is Senate Bill 2836. Uh we did pass out the first measure uh earlier in this meeting. Uh if anyone wants to come and still testify um you can do so. I believe the author of this measure is satisfied with the bill that we passed. So um we could easily defer the measure. >> Yeah. >> So anyone wishing to testify make it simple instead of calling through the names. Okay. Okay.
Units identified as needing replacement in near future include the following. So, one servicing the wood shop area, one serving the electric shop area, one serving the metal shop area, and serving main gym and in very poor condition with the casings are not tight. Custom replacement air handler such as a unit from whatever company would be the best application. These units are designed to be shipped, knocked down, and assembled in place because if >> so, so air handlers, here's my when you can think about the risk involved in HVAC equipment, again, chillers, big risk. Air handlers typically not big risk because [clears throat] air handlers are basically big boxes with some motors and belts and dampers and stuff or a coil in there, you know. So [clears throat] if you can take care of an air handlers, if they're well taken care of, you can continue to take care of them by replace the belt, place the bearings in a motor or just keep maintaining them and you can get a lot of life out of them if they're maintained.
That takes us to the next item on the agenda. The last item on the agenda. Um, Senate Bill 2181 increases the public school instructional hours beginning in 2027 to 2028 school year. Um, first to testify. Let's see. Apologize. There it is. Okay. Attorney General's office. I'm sorry. That was the fir that was 2836. 2021. Uh Kayashi de and everybody looked like what the attorney general what [laughter] >> 2181. What did I say? She said 21. >> Okay. Please go ahead. Thank you. >> We're all kind of Friday. >> It's okay. It's Friday. I'm on the same page. So, um, Chair Marcato Kim, Vice Chair Kedani, and Senate committee members. I'm Elizabeth Tidash from the Department of Education. We stand on our written testimony. Thank you. >> And that is in in opposition. >> We provide comments and the only concern we have is in regards to collective bargaining with regarding to the minutes.
So it's usually not a huge emergency if an air handler something goes wrong. It's usually something you maintenance. Okay. So over time, yeah, they they there are improvements that have happened of course in equipment like that that you can get better efficiency out of and so forth. Uh but it's not as risky as letting a chiller go. Just I'm just giving you the balance of where risk is and what you shouldn't put off and what you can kind of take a little bit or more risk on. So what I'm hearing, how I'm [clears throat] interpreting that is if when we're planning for the chillers, whether we're going to set aside so much money and wait for 2029. Um the air handlers, not so much. We don't have to do as much planning for that. It's more the maintenance stuff. >> I would say you're out of date, right?
>> Okay. Thank you. See USA in opposition. Chair, vice chair, members of the committee. Yes. Um, as mentioned, there are collective bargaining implications of this where bill basically says for students to go from a 6-hour day to a 6 hour 45 40m minute day uh every single day. So, of course, the 40 minutes needs to be bargained. Thank you. >> Why don't you stay there because I don't believe is there anyone else um no one else signed up to to testify in person. So, anyone else here wishing to testify at this? Yes. Come on up. Are you wearing the same shirt? So, yes. [laughter] >> Aloha. I'm Tiffany Edwards Hunt. I'm am a student activities coordinator at Ka Middle School. I I just would like to um express my opposition to this. Um I get the idea of having our students learn longer. I just know as a teacher and a parent how mentally exhausted they are after our existing day.
They're out of date. So, you should be thinking, "Yeah, we should replace these and get some more updated air." But you can you can plan that and say, "We know we have a bonded project coming. It's not going to kill us to wait until that bonded project." >> Okay? >> You know, chiller, you never want to be caught off guard, right? But [snorts] >> just get a good plan for when you're going to do it. But that, you know, air handlers are, you know, it's a little more intrusive in your building to get them done. Um, a process to get them designed, get through submitt process, get them ordered takes time, you know, it's it's a little complicated. So when when that is done, is it Ryan or would it be possible to use one air handler for what used to be the electronics lab S175 and the egg shop?
I also know that I'm still trying to argue for hazard pay and higher pay and then to be sitting in this meeting to be told let's um increase your hours. It just feels wrong. Um and I also would like you to consider the fact that many of our students are in sports and they need a little downtime. They need a little afternoon snack time because my children do not get home until 6:30 or 7:00 and we live 15 minutes from our school. I live in a very ideal environment considering some of my colleagues and other parents. We have children that don't get home until 7:00, 8:00, 9:00 at night depending on their extracurricular activities. And for me, who is a big proponent of social and emotional learning, all of those things are very important, particularly in our rural areas. We need to keep our children busy.
on separate air right now, >> right? >> I mean, can that be combined into one unit and just run some ducks through the split wall or do they have to be a separate unit per route? >> Depends on where it is, where you want it located. Is it located inside the building, an interior one? >> Yeah. >> Space is going to be, you know, one. >> They're right beside each other basically. >> I don't know. I I mean, that would be an engineering, >> right? Well, >> I didn't know about air flow. >> Sometimes block long. I mean, you'd have to >> I'm thinking the volume of space where the air handler is. >> Can that grow where where one of them is? No. >> M. >> The other thing you consider is zoning. You complicate it a little bit. I mean, it can be done.
That's how they stay healthy. So, I would like for you to just take a holistic perspective here. Do us right with the hazard pay, increase our pay, and then let's talk about in increasing the instructional hours. Thank you so much, and aloha. >> Thank you. Very well said. Anyone else wishing to testify on this measure? If not, members, we're open to questions. Senator Dort, did you have your hands up? >> Yes, thank you. Um, I'll say, thank you so much for being here. I I do share the same concerns as you do as far as uh the time period of our kids staying a little longer, teachers having to put in a little bit more. So, um, yeah, I guess it's just a comment, so I just wanted to share that. Have you received um some feedback from other teachers about this? >> Well, we're just not sure.