>> Terrific pass to John Power who puts in the layup for the Wolverines. Minute 15 to go and defensive play there knocking the pass out of bounds. The Wolverines clockers will inbound right by us here at the announcers table. Cassandra inbounding and Scott, you got to think if both coaches are upset with the refs, then they must be calling a balanced game, right? >> Yeah. [cheering] >> Hand off to Cassandra. Dribbles into a triple team. Kicks it back out. Little give and go. 17 on the shot clock. Cassandra looking for an opening. Fires it up in traffic. No good. [cheering] >> Rebound by the Wolverines. And Rossy got a little too aggressive there. He'll get called for it. So Rossy's fourth >> and two of the three Jacobs getting ready to check in. That's Guo and Padulla. >> So I wanted to uh throw a little shout out to Adam Saxs.
You know, I mean, Jan Goa came in here and flippantly said, "Oh, yeah, Sinclair, we're over. Oh, yeah. We use, you know, rim monies. Oh, yeah. We um it's not it's going to be delayed another year, two years." I mean, just like >> in the private sector, she'd be gone. >> I I understand. And >> it wasn't just one project. >> And you have my commitment. I And I want to work closely with uh with the vice president administration. I think uh when it comes to issues I mean there are multitude of reasons why cost increase based upon it I mean scope creep is a big thing that exists throughout all of state government but then we also need to do a better job with that when there is changes in project scope or anything like that that we're also doing the the the reverse which is the value engineering proposition in order to bring projects in line and and so that we don't exceed that but these are these are concepts that we need to >> so how do you just like McCarthy mall they came in for monies.
His son is a senior watching him play tonight. >> Uh his last basketball game, but uh Adam was the um ADA president for the last eight years. Um so it's an impressive run. >> Yeah, it's awesome. He he gave a lot of and he's still on the board which is awesome. Helping transition me. >> And now our seniors are going out. So [applause] claps all around for them. It's a tough one when you walk out. Absolutely. >> Well, speaking of Adam and the ABA presidency, Scott, it sounds like you've got some big shoes to fill here. Yeah. Uh, the only thing I do know is the I'm not doing eight years. Um, [laughter] so good on him. Um, but I hope to give some good good fun effort for a couple years. We'll see how it goes. >> Bots is with it. Heavily guarded trying to create some space.
We gave them monies and all of a sudden they they increased the scope was supposed to be only drainage and then decided, oh, we're going to make the mall, you know, we're going to beautify the mall and spend another $17 million and take it out of either um tuition monies or take it out of rim, you know, again, where are the priorities? And and I cannot speak for the decisions that were made in the past, but I think going forward the intention really is to hold the line on what we are proposing to do with capital expenditures. Uh because it is it is a significant expenditure of the university that has implications not just on what you provide to us in CIP but also on tuition and fees on the lumpsum rim budget. So part of this whole process is to gain a lot more uh I guess accountability around how those >> but I also hope you look at the structure as well because that vice president is in charge of majority.
Draws a double team for a moment. Padulla out to Anishh for three. Just off the mark. Wolverines grab it. Final 25 seconds to go. >> And just play four corners the rest of the way. Yep. [applause and cheering] >> Just going to dribble it out. All done. [applause] >> Strong effort by Akan, I think, for the last game of the year. >> Absolutely. Congrats to Westwood. [applause and cheering] Are they making the playoffs this year? They end >> Westwood. Yes, they came in tonight ranked number 20 in division two. So, uh, their season will continue and the Clockers unfortunately end their season at 1-9, but a great effort here tonight. They lose the final here tonight 62 to and Westwood improves to 14 and five on their regular season. Right. >> Well, best luck them in the playoffs and uh best luck for the Ashlin seniors, you know, graduating this year.
I mean if she's if she's not focused in on this then you know I I I don't I have a hard time understanding how you know just alone her performance alone shows that she's not performing as as she should be. So that needs to be >> yeah that I mean again candidly that was something I identified right when I came in that this is something this is not >> this is not a job this is like many jobs that are that are put together for VP Goa um I think we were laughing last year about wearing the yellow parking vest right which was funny but not funny as as sort of a you know all all terrain athlete the reason that hasn't devolved yet is because it will devolve as part of the Manoa split the with the chancellor. So those conversations are happening right now as to what how what belongs on the campus, what makes sense for it to be there.
Good luck in whatever you're doing for next year. Thanks for all your efforts. >> Absolutely. So again, your final tonight, 6242, Westwood over Ashlin, the season finale for the Clockers. Had a really wonderful season here. We want to say uh this is our live final live stream of the winter sports season. We thank you for watching. Check your local listings for our spring sports schedule. So for Luis Miranda, Brady Monosino, and Jeff Hall, that's our crew. for Scott Pelleter of the ABA joining us here tonight. We certainly appreciate it and we'll just say thanks for watching and go clockers. >> Go Clockers. >> Give me the pizza right now. >> Brought to you in part by Townhouse. Pizza subs, roast beef, and more. Be sure to fill up with the Buffalo chicken cow zone that's been called one of the best in the area.
I mean because Manoa is our biggest campus in terms of of projects, right? Um and and what belongs at the system. So that job will naturally be split as part of this process that we're doing. That's the intention. >> Okay. Well, it's taking longer than than I'm comfortable with at this point in time, but Senator Hashimoto, you have a question. Oh, Senator, sorry. >> Uh, th this bill would close that legislative loophole. I mean, it will close the loophole because right now we're basing all of this on interpretation and intent where we're going to have to make the lines clear with the next set of leaders that come in. um because it provides too much of an opportunity to move the money around where if we're giving you a lump sum, maybe we should shift that over to direct appropriations. Um because this is a flaw that we're seeing overall, not just in your department, but in other departments as well.
Um and not to shift gears, but also in vacancies. We know that that funds is used as a cushion to tack onto other salaries. So, you know, to ensure that the legislature >> is not being misled when we approve where these appropriations are going to go and then later on we find out that there's been a shift. I mean, we are getting the message out to the public on where these funds are going. So, it doesn't make us look good when we're not looped in and we don't have to approve it. The unelected board of regents are approving it, but they're unelected. We are the elected legislature. And so again, closing in on that loophole, I I think it would just make the communication clearer. No. >> And to your point, I think uh we can do a better job and in working with the chair to provide a lot more um the kind of detail that you want with the with the information that we're providing with regards to expenditures and we can continue to do that.
Whether or not that requires a bill to actually execute on is another discussion. But the way that this particular bill is written, I I just don't know if it it want it accomplishes what you want. And you know, this is something that we could work together on, chair, and you have, you know, you have my commitment in terms of like providing you with the information. >> But do you agree though that some sort of legislation does need to be put in place so it takes the guesswork out of it? >> I I'm I'm not sure about that. I mean, uh, I think the the detail and the amount of information in terms of what we provide because the rim budget, if you look at it, it's deferred maintenance. And, you know, it's not it's no secret that we would need just $100 million a year just to kind of keep up with our deferred maintenance, but we never get $100 million.
So the detail of like how projects move on. I mean you may have something that's on the on the deferred maintenance list like say for example an HV HVAC equipment that's okay that's slated to be repaired in that schedule like next year but then it breaks this year. So now all of a sudden it has to move up on the priority list because that it's just the nature of the deferred maintenance. >> Yeah. But it's still in deferred maintenance. It's not CI it's not going to be in the CIP. You're not robbing from CIP to pay for deferred, but yet you're robbing deferred to pay for overruns. >> And I think that's where we want we want to create the the granularity as well as the the detailed information so that you know how we are spending our money on the RIM budget going forward.
>> Yeah. And I think that we did bring this up during the WHAM info briefing is that um the proactive approach to to start these these improvements and these repairs before buildings are falling apart and we're having to vacate and we're having to pay for other housing. I mean the maintenance of it really has to start being more of a priority so we don't find ourselves in this situation over and over again. And then you folks are asking for 100 million here, 100 million there. It's a big hole we're in right now and and and it's it's we're it's it's going to take a lot in order to dig out and we're having continued conversations about how we do fund, you know, our ongoing capital improvement projects and what kind of support we can get from from from the state, what we can handle internally, but these are all kind of part of kind of a larger overall strategy in in managing our property plant and equipment.
>> Are you evaluating these overruns and these delays as to what is So in No, I've only been here for two months. Uh >> well, yeah, but people behind you or people back managing, you know, Vice President Goa has been there a long time. Her staff has been there a long time. What the border regents have been there. I mean, we we're looking at band-aids. We need to get to the bottom the problem. Yeah. Um that's happening >> and and President is is really good at making us very accountable for that actually. Well, again, I do I understand your concern and it is we've talked about this. These things cannot be kicked down the road because they're hard to solve, right? We have to tackle them and we have to do it in a really meaningful way. So, I I appreciate the point and I'm learning along with you and listening and whatnot and these are things we need to take back and have conversations about.
I hear that you're thinking how this is being allocated is not how it's being spent. If that's the case, then we have our own work to do to get this >> and it's not a new it's not new and you know you've inherited this. These are issues we have talked about in the past which is why it's frustrating for us and you know trying to give you the leeway to to make some of these improvements and that's why sometimes it's not happening fast enough because we've been here for for so long fighting these issues and trying to get the university to be responsible um for this uh and and you know there in lies the frustration. I see wanting to grab that. >> So I guess going back to my fundamental questions I guess today is what is your policy on this? >> Like are are is moving forward is your policy going to be that you cannot use rim funding for cost overruns or are you still open to that?
And I think that's that's the bottom line is if you have a big backlog, we need to know if it's the backlog you're going to take care of or you know what what what is the strategy? I suppose I hear there's a, you know, you have concerns with the bill, but I think we need to know what are you thinking, right? Because do we need the bill or are you going to actually take care of this? And >> I mean, Senator, from my perspective, just candidly, I would never answer that question definitively without speaking with the people who are the experts on it, right? And I think I would always ask you for more flexibility, not less, with a trust that has been earned about where it should be spent. But to the extent that we are spending money in a way that even I I don't think it is deceptive but feels deceptive to this body that is not in our interest anymore than it's in yours.
So we need to go back and have this conversation. >> Okay. So the conversation hasn't been had then >> this particular I mean my my understanding and in every other university I've been in has been the flexibility of the team to identify the highest priority of need for that type of lump fund funding. That's pretty typical. But I but I think it's it's it's a statement of values, right? Because is is the statement of value that you're going to actually do the the backlog of R&M, right? Or are you focusing on all these only the new projects? >> Well, the reason I can't give you a definitive answer is because it's in motion, >> right? We're in the middle of some of these new projects. So I >> and I get it, but you're coming into a new fiscal year. You're going to get more money, right?
And and I think what you know I think it'd be helpful for us to know what you're thinking because if absent of that understanding I think we're we're just probably just going to move the bill along because we don't have that understanding. >> Yeah. Your your understanding is my understanding. The priority is the buildings that we have on campus. Now some of those it is much more efficient to create a new building than it is to try and renovate it. So that it's a it's a moving target but we cannot my focus is not and will not be to create shiny new things for the campus. is to understand what's the usability of what we have and how do we raise it to a level that we're proud of that's sitting on campus because I mean candidly we all know there are buildings and infrastructure that we have that are not something that makes us feel good about and we h that's a billion dollars in a rears and that that's going to take time and we are absolutely committed to that over new construction with the exception that where the new construction is more economically viable than the renovation that is the approach approach we are taking.
Um but if you you know we what we can do is go back and talk about the policy as it's being articulated here which I think is a little different than what the bill is saying. >> Correct. So >> okay thank you chair. >> So the new construction which is if it's warranted and when it's warranted then you would come into the legislature and get money for that specific and so that that then that's a process. So otherwise if it's not the case then we don't give you CIP. we're just going to give you a lump sum and then you decide whether you're going to use it for new, whether you're going to use it for repair and maintenance. But that's not the process. The process is you come in, you tell us what you want to build, what's new, how much it's going to cost, we give you the budget, then you go out and then you do that, right?
But then then you start to take it out on rim. So that that has to change. Okay. Uh can I get the border region chair up? So, has the board even approached approached this issue? Have you folks even looked into some of the cost overruns and delays in some of the CIP and and ask the questions? Why is this happening? We've we've discussed um yes, we've discussed and what we're looking at is uh we're we're going to look at our governance and see if the CIP should right now we have too much going through our institutional success committee and we might need to split some things off because you've got say like the budget building and maintenance CIP everything all in one committee that is I mean there are times that we rush through it and that's where the deepest conversations are in those committees and we are we have discussed looking at through our governor's committee what should be split out because this committee structure we put into place not long three years ago and we had a lot lot of committees and there's that one committee has just too much >> it's like that one vice visit and has just too much.
That seems to be the the the >> and the system the system restructuring should help. >> We are reporting on every one of those things quarterly. I mean they do get regular updates but I think what the board chair feels and I feel is there's not sufficient time to dig into why and what type of oversight may or may not be occurring as part of that. >> And we've also discussed uh the actual report where it just shows us the update with more detail. So, you know, I'm not going to try to tell you folks how to how to break your committees up or what you're going to name them, but it's very difficult for the public when they see committee on student success. What does that mean? What does that include? You know, you don't know budget. You don't know if it's you. It's it's very difficult.