Like how would what does that look like moving the needle from a two to a three when you're observing students? >> Yeah. Um, it has to do with percentage, but the biggest thing that we see is the rigor of the questions. So you could have 75% of your students engaged in doing the work but not engaged in thinking at a high level. So student uh a lot of common twos would be students are compliant and they are they're doing their work but we've only asked them maybe to calculate. We haven't asked them to explain their answer. asking students and why >> often um is what gets us to a three more often. >> Okay. >> I was just going to add to it because I just pulled up the learning walk thing being thing in front of me. >> I love that. >> And I would just say just without even being a math class, any classroom.
And it it was largely because of portion size. Is that right? >> That's I wasn't in the role at that time, but that's what our one of our committee members was on the committee actually on the board when they made that decision. And uh that's what they talked about was that it wasn't enough food for uh the athletes was how he phrased it. So again, that's why we're investigating it because what is a right decision in 2014 might still be a right decision in 2028, but it might not be the right decision. So it's our job to investigate and research and make that informed decision. So that's why we're taking that long approach, whereas we're not waiting until right before we have to re-up with another company or go out to bid. We're doing that leg work now and then we're making that informed decision.
So that's homebound instruction. um the policy 5111 determination of legal settlement and eligibility and enrollment of students without legal settlement in the corporation. I think honestly Niola probably wrote that policy back when nobody did this. [laughter] So if you look at the language that was stricken there was a lot of language about it. One thing we need for for folks to remember about our uh legal settlement and eligibility is that we do accept out of district transfers, but those do have to be applied for annually. So, we try to remind our parents that this has to be done every year. Um and and we have the stipulations that the student has to be in good standing as far as behavior. We do not accept expelled students. That's the that's the big one. And then also we take a look at the attendance. So really, it's one of those things that um either do it for all or or you do it for none.
I think they were accessible for for I think most people. >> And Laura, you have both of these that you can post for us. Perfect. Yep. So, um >> Okay, >> we'll get that out on our website for people to view and make comments. >> All right. Great. Thank you everyone. Uh next thing on our agenda is um >> Oh, Dave Kinsman, you're next. Discussion on uh decisions at every turn. >> Uh yes. So, the first meeting um that I attended as the liaison from the board of health was also the first meeting this year which took place on uh January 21st. um was attended both by Raj, myself, um Kelly Sor, the principal of the Ashlin High School, and and a number of other people, including um the new uh the new um point person, uh Berlin Awatch. Um so, it was a lengthy agenda.
Thank you. >> Thank you, Jim. Anybody else wishing to testify on the measure? Seeing none members, any questions? Senator Wai >> Caroline >> I talked to so many people in the industry and they feel like HT is almost bipolar in how it's responsibilities are almost uh opposite uh some some of the pain points for for tourism from the local perspective is like our traffic and and parking is hta the best suited entity to delve into how we're going to improve traffic flow and reduce congestion in parking lots. >> Thank you, Senator Wai. Um, you know, with the passing of act 132 this past legislature session and governor signed it. Uh, the CEO, president and CEO reports directly to governor. And so we believe that you know with the CEO reporting to governor right now um that authority is delegated to DEBED director. So I'm reporting to um director Tokyoa but when the new CEO comes um they'll have a direct relationship with governor.
>> Yeah. >> A number one is the teacher is doing all the work and the kids are sitting there. A number two is the kids are copying what the teacher is doing, but they're not doing their own thinking. they're just compliant doing what they what the teacher's asking them to do. A three is where the kids are coming up with like new solutions or new answers and they um but they're still like following step by like more teacher directed. And then a four is more like the kids are engaged or coming up with new solutions. They're explaining their answer. They're figuring out other other ways to do the problem. Um and it's also by percentage. So like a one is um less than 60% of the kids are engaged. A two is 80% or less. A three is 80 99 and a four is 100.
>> Thank you. >> Anything else on the committee items? >> Um, so I know it says out there Kaka's meeting this Thursday and then we have a tentative board policy meeting March 1st. somewhere around there. >> Yeah. First Monday of March. Put it that way. That one. >> March 2nd. Thank you. [clears throat] >> I could talk more about >> RACK. >> Um so the committee's been for several months now talking about health life safety bonds which I've mentioned here. Um and so they've been kind of coming up with a plan. Uh so there's action towards getting in more information about a $11 million towards health life safety bonds um and talking about feathering it in over time so that rather than having pe you know people's taxes be affected the same amount across the board over the length of the bond it would start small and then go up incrementally um so it's not so shocking Um, so Josh, when when is that going to be brought like the details going to be brought?
We can't pick and choose who we decide once we say we're going to take out of district students. So that's a really important thing to remember on that policy 144.1 compensation for board members. The change here, and it was reflected in your revision, uh is going from $1,800 to $1,900. [cough] So, it's a whopping an increase of $100. [snorts] I'm not sure where that came from. I'm just the messenger. Okay. So, uh that's proposed policy 5541, credit for religious instruction and release time. This one has become increasingly important because it is happening more than than it did probably when the original Neiola policy came out. The one thing that's important for us to know about this policy, aside from their standard language, is that MacB High School does not provide credit for religious classes outside of the school. If we excuse a student to go, [cough] that's one thing and that's fine and and we're glad to do that according to policy, but we will not grant credit for those courses.
Uh some things that that were included were um discussion of of the youth programming that's mostly focused around the schools. Um there's a a uh lunch engagement uh where you know there's a there's basically a table open uh during high school lunch for kids to uh get information. Um there was some discussion about how uh it's probably appropriate and perhaps even effective to to certainly effective I think to to uh have something similar going on at the middle school and that applies to some of the other programs as well. So uh there was discussion and I think some action items around that. Um there was uh so Berlin uh discussed the youth prevention council um that has four student members and uh working with them to uh come up with projects and and uh material that that can uh be used to you know get information to the students.
So you know we see that it's um a little bit of an overlap and we're hoping that with the CEO reporting to um governor that will help bridge um all of the other um state agencies. Um and we're also actually doing that right now with our uh DEMAPs. Uh you know, we uh went out to community. We started talking to community industry and you know, we're trying to work with the various state agencies and county agencies. I understand what you're saying. Um >> so many of the industry are are are crying that they need more emphasis on the marketing side. And I mean issues like trespassing, crimes against tourists, you know, how to manage Airbnbs and short-term vacation rentals, expertise in climate change, expertise in cultural preservation. Those are all important, but probably beyond the the expertise of tourism marketers. Wouldn't you agree? So currently the Hawaii Tourism Authority in our statute um puts in destination management.
So it's really hard to get a four to have a hundred of the kids doing that. So that and then it also has to do with them having opportunity to think covertly and overtly. So they have to have opportunity to think on their own, not just go straight to working with a partner or straight to talking. And they also have to have overt where you can see what they're thinking or what they're problem solving or what they're what they're doing. Um and then the other thing that Marie is talking about is being at least a DK2 level or higher >> which is just a level of thinking. >> The DK stands for depth of knowledge. >> Yes, depth of knowledge. Thank you. >> I was about to ask. Thank you. >> I wanted to beat you too at this time, madam. >> Thank you. I know this is getting really into Louise, but now that I've heard that from Dr.
>> Well, that's a really good question. So, the committee is recommending that path for Tom to think about and to maybe bring to you guys as a board. Um, I think there's a lot of factors that go into that. So, there's a lot of things that Tom has to weigh because ultimately, first, do you guys know what a healthife safety bond is? Okay. So let's start there, right? So every 10 years we have to do the health life safety survey and it says certain items that we have to do within a year, we have to do in five years or we really should look at doing and that costs money, right? Anything we do costs money. And this is really about things that are in the warm safe drive plan or our systems that are failing like fire alarms. They're not like really exciting items, but they're very necessity important items.
>> And then finally, board vacancies. I think we were the poster child for that this year, weren't we? some things really changed and it caught some people's attention and I know our our legal uh representation spent a lot of time on this and so that policy 0142.3 addresses the minimum requirements for filling board vacancies and so we're going to replace what was what Neiola had because it was much different based on on past past practices and update with the current ISBA policy which is aligned exactly to what Tim Shel has and sending you to to know what we can and can't do. So again, this kind of starts our our journey on uh reviewing, revising, adding if necessary, removing if necessary. It's a it's a pretty big task, but and and we want to kind of take our time and go through it um methodically.
uh as well as working with some of the clubs at the high school um to do the same thing. Uh there was also a section on um mostly around sort of training and building capacity within uh the group and um and then there was also um some I'm just trying to figure out how to characterize this um methods to um get information out to the parents as Well, since they're sort of a key part of that problem. So, a lot of these were um you know discuss brainstorming amongst the groups uh amongst the group that was present to to come up with some new ideas, new approaches to um strengthen those sorts of uh programs. And then finally, let's see. As I said, it was kind of a lengthy meeting, so I won't hit on everything. Um, but there was some talk about uh the sticker shock campaign, which I guess met with sort of limited success last year and some things that would that could be used to to uh strengthen that.
So our team um part of our team are the destination managers that um are looking at these types of issues. So right now you know our team is looking at both >> right. So this bill cuts it up so that your team who does destination management can really focus on that through the office of a tourism liaison and then your hta team can go back to what it does very well which is branding and marketing the state to people around the the globe. Wouldn't that be a better in terms of transparency, accountability? Like if I have a problem with um climate change issues, is it right for me to kind of voice my concerns to you or to someone who really has understanding about climate change and what mitigation measures need to be put into place to >> address that? So I I believe with our current team um you know our community our industry can look towards HCA um to you know to sound give that voice um when we're here to listen and see what we can do to help and um I I understand what you're saying um you know there was a tourism laid on you know a a couple of decades a decade ago or decades ago um and it did work.
combo. I see, you know, there's 22% of those 18 visits in 8th grade are at a four. That's roughly four visits. Um, do we know if those are all the same teacher? And if so, how do we replicate their instruction or get the other teachers to observe them? >> That's a great question. They could they couldn't all be the same teacher because there's only one eighth grade math teacher at every school except for who has two. Um, when I look at it, I think, okay, 18 teacher, 18 eighth grade visits, eight schools that have eighth grade math teachers, we're going to have a a wide variety. Um, but I think having 44% of our eighth grade math classrooms at that level three or four on engagement. >> That's great. >> Makes me wonder if there's a strong connection to why eighth grade math achievement has gone up.
And now we have the opportunity because the law changed in 2024 to allow the school board to issue bonds to get money and issue debt essentially to get this work done. Now, we can't just willy-nilly decide what this work is. Our architect has to file it with the state. The state has to approve the specific work that has to be done. But it's work that we are expected to do. It's a funding source to get that work done. Um, and Mark could speak to this better, but the warm safe drive plan is what he him and his team are working on. And what's happening is every year the costs of doing that work has gone up way more than we expected. So I think it was last month Mark mentioned that the Luis White project which is the same as the Storm project has gone up 18%.
uh what what ISBA does for us, they'll put out a quarterly um policy newsletter for you and and I I get that and then I'll look through the policies. Those are usually aligned to the most recent legislation, things that have changed. So, we're going to first of all stay as current as we can and get caught up as we can with those types of policies and then we'll start breaking down the the other policies because there are hundreds to see where we can start streamlining a little bit. I'm anticipating getting a little more help from ISBA on that and getting the numbers aligned because that would really make life easier. Angie and I were doing a little searching and there's a school district not far from here um that literally just kept their NEOLA policies and just put their ISBA policies in. And so we were trying to figure out how that would even work and and that's not how we want to do it.
That's a program working with the Ashlin police and local retailers to try to um both educate and sort of control the access of high schoolers to alcohol around the prom season. Um and um then you know some other uh messaging campaigns that are going on within the high school as well um and effective ways to sort of reach out to to high schoolers and and uh change some of the norms uh in terms of you know social behaviors and and that kind of thing. Um so the next meeting is March 18th. Um and prior to that just a minute there is a um there is a ad hoc meeting um uh talk they hear you which is scheduled for February 25th um at 4 o'clock. So, I'll be attending that as well. >> Thank you.
But right now, how the legislature has structured us with the president and co reporting to the governor um we feel that that right now is we we want to continue the momentum and we want to work that work in that um manner with governor and governor's um directors in addressing um mitigating uh visitor impacts. >> Okay. All all I have to say say is that you know the people in the tourism industry are crying uh for more emphasis on the marketing side and I understand we legislatively put that responsibility on you and I think sometimes maybe it's something we should take a another look at whether you and HTA can be you know the repository for all of these responsibilities u and do and have the expectation that you're going to do it well at a certain point there there's too many responsibilities you don't have the expertise to do all of these other destination management stewardship issues and maybe we should peel that off uh to to have other entities.