And the concern is that if we see someone who we're interested in because maybe they shouldn't be on campus, there's piece of software saying this matches someone else and and there's a higher likelihood of the software being wrong about who they're looking at the second time. and that we want the assurance that it's a person actually making that decision that the two people are in fact the same person. >> Um just and I think that's an excellent call. I think you know when security time is of the most importance right so when relying on a human piece there could be an element of time where someone can get off campus an incident happens you know leveraging the AI can definitely improve those processes. Now granted, of course, there could be maybe something that's misidentified, but I'd rather have more information to make an informed decision and act quickly and protect the faculty, the students quickly rather than waiting a day or so to come back when the incident has happened.
Uh that right now is left to it's up to schools to determine if they do want to purchase u movable furnitureures or different kinds of desks that can be reoriented into into small group instruction group learning. um schools take the responsibility for that. >> Shouldn't DOE be having some kind of overall plan and propose to the schools because that's what you should be doing and then have vendors available for them to make it easy to say these are some of the materials and these are some of the tools there. Senator, so when we look at like middle level education for example, we are partnering with the association of middle level ed which all of our middle schools are a part of and going back to what is what are the important concepts when we work with middle level students uh like you had shared being able to collaborate right um perhaps u furniture that can be reoriented into the classroom those kinds of things.
So, you know, just to kind of touch on that a little bit as well. >> I would just say to the biometric aspect is very different than than actually identifying on a face. It's similar to why I can't hold up a picture of someone and unlock your phone because that's not just looking at a camera. It's actually sending sensors to your face. That's a 3D image of it. Very different in terms of biometrics. So, just want to call that out too because again, we're not doing facial recognition that's going to identify any person. It is looking at attributes from a person. Very different. Yeah, >> that's it. That I just wanted to address that because people have thought that that was a possibility to unlock stuff with a picture walking through not just our technology in general technology. Just one >> I also wanted to address um uh another issue.
So all of our middle schools are on that. When we look at the high schools in addition to the core areas, um our our CTE programs across all of our high schools um are areas that we look on in connection with workforce development and how do we provide opportunities in the classroom so that we can connect to uh to workforce at the elementary level. Um we have the general learning outcomes which focus on um students being um uh self-directed uh using technology. Um there are different areas that um we work on with elementary students, you know, and how do we help promote um um how do we help promote uh a love for learning? um our uh CLSD uh or our CLSD grant for example is one area of best practices for um um uh the science of reading >> and and such. >> Let me ask those questions questions questions.
Is this would this be considered um a change in working environment at all from the standpoint of our CSEA or CUTA members? Um and I'm I'm seeing John shake his head. No. Um uh could do you want to speak to that like why why why do you feel that it's not a change in working environment? So as has been mentioned it's um this is a tool and there are many board policy and AR and negoti negotiable items that preclude us from using tools in specific manners. So we would ensure that whatever is agreed to would fall within those parameters and that would be and I have our union reps over there on the other side, Kelly Serill and Charlie Snyder and we would ensure that whatever is agreed to would fall within those parameters. >> Thank you. >> Actually, I would like to actually check in with our union reps.
>> Great. Thank you. >> Uh SFA real quick. So what prompted this? Well, why do you think this is important and and why is DOE should DOE be doing it or you be doing it? >> Well, someone has to do it. Uh this is a similar bill that was introduced last year. Normally, all these kinds of plans are part of a bond issue that requires this incredible discipline to justify $464 million a year in CIP spend. Otherwise, the property tax holders and bond issue won't approve it. You need a similar kind of discipline plan that justifies this kind of spend every year and that's what's absent. Without the data, without that information, you cannot make strategic decisions on school investments. >> So what what does this look like? What does this discipline plan look like? So because I just asked DOE for a plan and said they have this, they have that.
You guys agree with that assessment that it's not a change in working condition or would do you think these kind of things would be negotiable? >> Uh I would have to wait to see what board action is taken tonight and what features are used or not utilized and I speak for 800 people. So our internal process right now we're working. Um we're going to our rep council tomorrow to talk about this entire process which has unfolded pretty quickly. um and to report back on board response and action to get guidance uh for our Eboard and to look at further actions and whether or not we feel we need to negotiate new language or look at current language >> and and I will concur with what Charlie says. We're in the same boat. >> Thank you. >> Um I'm curious. Um, so the cameras don't have just an um the video feature but also audio.
What what does it look like? Like a good example is right you you built the new building at Ha ha ha hail elementary on the big island. You've actually moved the entire school to another school for several years while you're building that other school. What you should have done based on data saying one of these schools should be closed. You should invest in one, rebuild it and then move it all in one place. These are the kind of big strategic decisions. Similar decisions have to be made all over the state. In Kyua, you have three schools on one street. In Khalihi, you have four schools within a couple blocks from that's the kind of data you need to make strategic decisions on where to put valuable CIP money and that's not what's available right now. >> Okay. Thank you. Questions? Me?
Is that or am I mistaken? >> They have the capability to do audio but that would be turned off. And once again just as the facial recognition would be turned off if you so wish and put into a place where nobody can turn on without your permission. The same thing with the audio that would be locked in. >> Thank you. Um, I am curious if the equipment is programmed innately to look for like differences. And what I mean by that just speaking to the issue of um you know I I worked for years with uh persons with developmental disabilities and I believe that we definit and and of course we have uh ESN students. I think it's a fair question to say what is it is the software designed to pick out those differences and in what way if so >> I can address this first so from an attribute standpoint what our cameras do is they look at a frame and what they're doing is looking at first colors they use colors of clothing it's the attributes of clothing that individuals are wearing or a backpack or something of that sort.
Any questions? >> Questions? Thank you. Okay, we are moving on. Keep track of everything here. Senate Bill 2814 establishes a preventive maintenance special fund under department of education to be used exclusively for preventive maintenance of public school facilities require annual report to the legislature appropriates funds. Uh we have Kitayashi. Aloha chair uh members of the committee uh Jesse Suki deputy superintendent of operations. Um we rise in support of this bill. Um essentially preventative maintenance funding will bridge the gap left by bond funding restrictions enabling us to cost effectively and proactively maintain um our facilities and we rest. Thank you. >> Just sit there because it's only one other person signed up. Um Johnny May Perry and support not hear anyone else wishing to testify on this measure. No one else. >> Okay. So question some countries on this measure. So, don't you don't we already give you a um preventive ma maintenance or CI not CIP but um the rim kind of >> proposals.
That's the first piece that we use for identification, what we call attributes. Now, from the second standpoint, of course, we've been talking about the facial uh piece quite a bit. Once again, it's not based on color, skin, or anything of those sorts. It's all based on measurements. We take a hyper zoom of an individual. We zoom in and what our what our chips are doing is measuring the outline of a person's face and depth of their face. There's no in inherent like I guess discrimination or something of that sort built into it. It's all based on measurements to keep it so-called an even uh playing field. That's the way our analytics works on cutting cameras. >> Thank you. >> Can I get a little clarification on that last PC? So hyper zoom, take measurements, and then to track or attempt to track that person, you just look at the exact same measurements somewhere else.
>> So, pre preventative maintenance is different from um repair maintenance, deferred maintenance. Yeah. So, it's different. It's um things you fix before you know they end up on your deferred maintenance list. So, it's operating money. Um we requested um 75 million uh in the last budget cycle. Uh some of it was struck out um and uh >> 30 million was in this budget cycle moved from there to CIP. Were able to spend 11 million of that uh because the rest was restricted. So we never really got the full benefit of the appropriation. >> Okay. >> So deferred maintenance is happens when something goes wrong and you need to fix it. >> So preventative maintenance is like you know things on a schedule for fixing um >> deferred maintenance after it broke down. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. >> I guess in my mind it's the same thing.
You're not comparing it to a like an AI model or a database or anything. >> That's exactly it, Tom. We're not going to at some source or anything like that. It's all built in with your system. So your system is learning within Chico. Just Chico's own data is learning. We measure the depths and yes, Tom, we see that same attributes on someone else in our system. We see that as the same person. >> Your use of learning concerns me a little bit. Um because does that mean there is in fact a a please? Thank you. Um a static or not a static a dynamic model that persists that we continually compare people to. >> So what what it's really doing is your own system. It learns about your own individuals. So basically I've seen John's uh attributes on his face. I've seen it again. I've seen it again.
I mean, so I I'm I'm kind of like why why we have to have two buckets? Because you want to in order to have a deferred maintenance, you want to defer the maintenance because then if you do a preventive maintenance, you won't have that maintenance, right? I mean, >> well, we like to keep the the the building stice for the students and Yeah. So preventative maintenance prevents it from getting to a point where you know it's so bad that we have to set it up as a CIP, right? >> Okay. I'm just not sure how you folks will will divide it up and determine what bucket it comes from at that point. Okay. Questions? >> Question. >> Okay. Okay. So, what I'm reading in your testimony is that there is a ENF memo memo, right? >> Right. >> That prohibits the use of tax exempt general obligation funds for routine maintenance expenditures, >> which makes capital improvement project money unsuitable for this purpose.
Now we can kind of say, "Hey, that's similar attributes of John." That's what our system does. >> You can turn >> the facial piece. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. And typically what I can talk to about that as well, what I've seen with the some of the largest school districts I've worked with is absolutely can be it's off by default. You can toggle on typically it's done on strategic cameras typically where a lot of outside or someone else you can turn on a particular camera if you choose to do so. There's a lot of settings to craft it to fit the mold and the needs of Chico, but absolutely off by default, completely turned off. And one of the questions was, would those other features work without it? Absolutely. Slip and fall, fence, climbing, fighting, those are all uh uh tools within the system to help protect students and staff.
>> Mhm. >> Did you know that we don't float tax exempt geo bonds at this point? >> Yeah. But I mean, so if if it's not taxexempt, there's more flexibility. Right. Right. So, so I guess you know this aside, I think >> we've had the conversation of have you had discussions to figure out how you're going to fund things like deferred maintenance, preventative maintenance. You know, we I think you guys have been essentially saying that we don't have the cash, right? The governor restricted you, but my question has been why haven't you had discussions to see what can we use, you know, bond funding for, right? And so I think you guys said you you have not. >> So I took the liberty because they were in my office anyway of talking with the budget and finance director and they said it's possible right and so but nobody from the DOE has talked to them about using you know this kind of funds to to do deferred or you know maintenance or preventative maintenance.
>> Followup. Um so we can we can turn off or not turn on that kind of is it biometric um measurements >> what we call facial attributes >> facial facial attributes. Thank you. Um h so if we were going to compare facial attributes it would be a person one of our administrators a principal someone looking at the raw video and saying I know who that is. think that walk me through that. >> Well, that's that's what we do. You know, having worked in a school, that's how we we worked with following up on things. It may be the next day, which is the problem. But that's what we do. we look at it and go ah yeah I >> so the administrator will get they can look at it and they can see a face that they think is the person or that they think is misbehaving and the system will help them compare that face to other ones.
So, I just want you guys to know that you guys are not, you know, exhausting all of the options, right? And and I think this that's why I think we have these pieces of legislation, but, you know, I think if we're going to be serious about this kind of maintenance problem or preventative maintenance, I think you guys got to exhaust everything that you have at your in your in the toolbox. And I don't think you are. So, I think, you know, you guys should explore that because I think that's it's you just you cannot just stop doing this kind of maintenance. and and if there's another strategy we need to understand and you need to go work that out and need to figure out what can be bonded with, you know, in short-term bonds versus just saying no can, >> right? And so I think the these past couple of pieces of legislation, it's all targeted at facilities, >> right?
So essentially it's that same process just sped up through our technology. >> And again, RZ is not going to be perfect because it's not biometric. It is taking an image from a camera. So it's not again like you're going through TSA where they're identifying you in 3D. Very different. >> Did Did I hear correctly that you >> It's not on by default. Everything is off by default. You have to turn everything on and we do not have biometric on cameras. That is not something that we do. We just launched something on doors for that for access control on doors which is very different and not something that Chico has bought. That is something that we launched just a couple weeks ago for different type of customers but on cameras it is not doing biometric very different. >> Is there a breakdown? You mentioned that you are uh currently serving 600 school districts in California.
And I think the hopefully the message is to the DOE and I I think we we've had these conversations. I had it with the superintendent. and I had to wait yourself that we're ultra focused on fixing facilities >> and I hope you understand what the mandate is coming out of this legislative session, right? We don't want to to do these pieces of legislation, but absent of the leadership in the planning, you know, I think this is what we're we're going to have to end up doing. We don't like to micromanage, but I think we need to see some incremental progress. And I I think I have to give you credit. I I've been talking with with some of the people on the ground, and they at least they're saying that they have been having more meetings on facilities. So I think that is a good development.