Um, where it talks about student outcome goals, guardrails, and progress monitoring. >> So, when you're talking about giving the specific examples >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Gotcha. I didn't real I didn't see the top bullet point. That's why. Okay. >> I think this is a good start. the school board of school will eventually start having more conversations. The only thing that I want us to really start thinking about this is that maybe an ad hoc committee to start this would be nice because it's going to take a lot of, you know, um, working together. It's going to take a lot of creating documents. It's going to take a lot of back and forth conversations. And maybe we can add this even as a an item. I don't know what that looks like, but this is something that we also need to prioritize as we're doing everything because it's important for us to have something structured and start coming going out to community and letting them know the work that we're doing.
>> When you say ad hoc committee, what do you mean? >> Or like a subcommittee. I know that they're called ad hoc committee somewhere else or a subcommittee. >> But I meant like are you wanting a superintendent committee or a board committee? >> No, board committee. >> Okay. >> Who would be on? >> And and and I'm just throwing that out as an idea. It doesn't have to happen that way. There's different million ways that we can do this. That's just an idea that I have. >> Do we know are there you might know other school districts that are doing have done this or are there any other like school boards that we can >> I know borrow stuff from. >> It's it's very uh it's new. It's not something that's been really established. I I know like some of the school districts that we're a part of, they're relying heavily on the governance coach to lead the uh the schoolboard school.
what you guys are talking about is being it board driven which is really cool to be honest with you. Uh and I think at a and you guys are way ahead I think of all the school districts that I represent that are in this governance framework probably three that have done the policy diet. So you guys are super ahead. So I I think it'd be really cool to see the board uh lead that training uh if you guys are are are willing to do that. And so, yeah. >> And I do know um our neighbor Roosevelt um I was going to say Roosevelt had one >> in January. >> January. I knew it was I knew it was just several weeks ago. Yeah. >> So, we don't really have uh we have other partners like Roosevelt has starting it and eventually they want to do like a tri district one.
So, we have moments for collaboration. We can meet with them. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. they probably have some amazing things in there going on already because they did a first presentation already um in January. So, that's definitely something that we can um discuss and and head it on with them and figure out how they've been doing it. >> What's our goal for when we want to do this for the first time? >> Thank you for that. I love that. Right. Because if you don't put any time limits in something, it just lives out in space. Um, I would really like for us to have something and go into the second phase of this by June. That gives us three months. Well, more than three months. >> I'm sorry. What do you mean by second phase? Just >> second phase meaning that we're actually figuring out, you know, are we going to keep the goals?
And if we're going to do a mindset activity within this, what does that look like? like starting >> scaling down the actual out or the actual >> yeah the actual line outline of the framework and maybe even have some documents already spread out that you know presentations are going to have to be created all these different things live within this right >> were you also hoping to have like the logistical stuff figured out as well >> okay now I think looking at it election year-wise um well I know I know for sure right now we just have two candidates running for school board here um uh for this this cycle. Um and so you know I yeah so I think at least if we're going to try to hold one this year you know it doesn't necessarily need to be um targeted to like candidates but perhaps somehow >> more information >> like yeah like informational or something like have you ever considered or what you know what do you you know and they wondered what what does it to be on a school board to really start kind of like tapping people for two, four, six years down the road.
Um >> and uh >> and we don't even have to keep this name of school board of school, right? That's just something that we said, but it could be like what is a governing board role member and then you just invite people in and then we give this whole presentation, right? It it could be named differently and I think you're right. just because it's an election year, we're not going to be prepared for that, which is fine. But I I I would hope that in the winter, that is my actual ultimate goal, that by either October, November, December, we have at least one community meeting where this is already done and and played out and we can pivot as we need to. But yes, that's what I was kind of alluding to to Mr. Jones point Jones point of view u I mean question earlier that this isn't just going to be a recruiting members mechanism.
this is going to serve also as just a standard >> education. This is what we do. This is why we're here. These are the expectations of Kraton and these are the values. That kind of thing. >> Would the community council meetings be a good uh setting for something like this or is that overstepping into >> I personally do not believe it's overstepping. I believe that's a place where we can collaborate and and if we can use that space since we already have people then yes. Right. Um, and also we're going to have to get created what other spaces, neighborhood associations, there's so many other spaces that we can be doing this. But yes, I also believe that it can live in um in our Kraton community council meetings. >> Yeah, I think a community council meeting would require like a a mini version um because just knowing as a parent being there like dude, I won't sit through no school of scores like if it's not something I'm interested in.
But that's where you do find the engaged parents and community members. Yeah. And obviously we're not giving them a little taste and then inviting. >> Yeah. And we wouldn't do a 4 hour. Yeah. We would do a shorter version of it. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh, tr Trust me, we will be discussing that a little bit later. >> Yeah. Well, right before games. >> Right before games. Correct. I'm going to start every game with a mindset practice. All right. Do we have any other feedback? I'm really excited about this, guys. This just is a testament to all the hard work that we've been doing. And to Ben's point, the fact that we're even having conversations of creating our own school board of school and doing all these things really shows to the work that we've been doing and the commitment that we have to not only our students, but to our community because I think our community members should know how to hold their elected officials accountable and this is the perfect way of them holding us accountable to what their students need.
So, I'm really excited about this and I thank you guys for being a part of these conversations and wanting to be a part of it. >> Nice shared Rilda. >> Awesome. Um, and this is like I said, this will be an ongoing conversation. We can bring it up again either at another board meeting or create another s study session for it now that we have our antlers going on. But is anybody interested in actually leading this work or is there not a preference? I will volunteer as tribute then. >> If I wait on >> pause, >> we just had thisation. You just said that you don't say no to things and you over over um commit. So I and I was just about to say myself, I don't have the capacity to do this as fun as it sounds, but I don't have the time for it.
So are you sure that you can take this on? >> Yes, because this is going to make it easier in the long run, so it's fine. But in the short term, do you are you going to be able to get to this spot by June that we're talking about? >> Um, yes. >> I'm committing it in a public meeting. Yes. >> Okay. I'll help. >> Okay. Thank you. So, um, just so we know, so we're not breaking open meeting law as we're having offline conversations. Um, Nicole and I will tackle this and then we'll go from there as however that looks like. do is I will add Nicole to this too and then you all can take me off of it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Take me off. >> All right. Any other comments or discussions on our lovely school board of school?
>> It's just Marquez, right? >> Yes. >> Whenever I for anytime I type your name in, it doesn't autopop populate for some reason. >> Oh. >> And I'm like, what do you have? I'm like, does she have a different last name? >> My other one. >> There it is. It it does your personal one every time. >> There's lots of N and Mark Enmma in the district. >> All right. Um what time is it? 11:20. I think this is a perfect time to do a lunch. Go into our lunch and take a quick break. Are we thinking Oh, it's not here yet. Oh, perfect. >> Oh, I love the picture. Um, for our lunch break, >> I could stream Leela's musical. >> For our lunch break, what do we want to do? Do we want to do 15 minutes, 30 minutes? >> What? We just have the the budget thing.
>> Yes. And our guardrail conversations. >> How long is um, Vanessa, are you >> Well, it depends how many questions we have. >> Okay. Student outcomes focus governance guardrails. What are we doing with the guardrail conversation? Sorry. Um, we're having conversations on guardrails and whether we want to put them back on the agenda >> and move them from consent. >> Okay. But we're not talking about we're not changing guardrails. Okay. >> None of that. >> Since lunch isn't here. Did you want to do that or do first or do you want budget before I mean >> let's do the guardrails conversation right now. >> Whichever would fit in probably half an hour. >> Then I have to go for the agenda. >> No, we can move it. Okay. We can go into the governing um guards conversations. >> Okay. Perfect. >> Then that way we can do bunch uh budget after lunch.
Although that makes me nervous. >> I will have activities to keep everybody. >> You can tell after lunch. >> We can all stand for your presentation. >> Look at my spreadsheet. >> If we start putting our heads down though. I just asked do we have money? >> That's the bottom line. >> They just say no. >> I know, right? All right. Then we'll go into our conversation about guardrails. Um I know that I had Miss Hilda email all of us a document on u why guard rails, values, and freedom. That's what the worksheet is called if you guys want to pull that up as we're having this conversation. And I just kind of wanted to um have this on why our guard rails exist and what lane we are in in the board into those um coming to those guard rails. Um our role is to represent the community vision and values through our goals and guardrails.
Once those are adopted, our job shifts to monitoring progress towards student outcomes. So, one of the things that um one of the things that here in Kraton that we've done is that we've committed already and obviously through even our board policies that we will be focusing on goals and progress measures more guardrails. They do matter deeply, but once adopted, our responsibility is to monitor adherence and not manage implementation. Um, so those one of the things that I want to make sure that when we're talking about our guard rails and asking questions that we really focus and reenter ourselves on what our role is in those and it's like I said before to monitor that at hearings and not necessarily manage the implementation of what's going on in the inputs. Um, and I know another discussion that we've had in the past and there's some concerns about our guard rails being in our consent agenda items versus having conversations of them in our board meetings and how they do not count towards our student outcome goal time.
Um, just one of the things that I have to say about that is that the values of the district and what's going on does it it intertwines with meeting our goals, but it's not necessarily moving the needle in certain outcomes when it comes to strategies or what we're doing in the district. Um, I do believe the the cabinet does a good job of submitting us with the board reports and videos and we still have that opportunity to ask questions on guardrails back and forth. It's just that they're not discussed in the public time because at times we can't even get board members to ask questions on goals that are moving the needle for students, let alone having conversations that could lead into, you know, um directives versus on directives on operations. So, that's just the kind of things that I have.
I don't know if anybody else has any questions or comments on on our guardrails. >> I do. >> Yeah. um because obviously this is the that I'm I'm the one who kind of brought this up a few meetings ago and um so just to give some background um you know prior to being on the board when the the the previous board and leadership team were discussing um coming to the community with with the proposed goals and everything um I myself and I know other parents as well we had some major concerns that every goal was tied to a standardized test and standardized tests being inherently inequitable and on a certain level racist. We're like, yo, this we're are we setting our kids up to fail like like why why are these all um quantitative goals? Where's the where does the qualitative goal live? Where how how are we measuring that?
And then after some discuss discussions with President Gario and and um even um AJ Crabel himself, you know, I you know it was at least my understanding of it became like well a lot of that um the qualitative stuff lives in the guard rails like the social emotional learning the the the well-being um so like you know the values the values of our our community live in the guardrails and so for me um when I saw that we're putting our guard rails into consent like like I didn't I I was like why are we just pushing it into here like to me and and in my mind as a parent and community member like I I see a major value in looking at those guardrails and even seeing um the the most recent progress monitoring report like you know there I had I had a lot of questions I I want to see what's happening to what our district is doing to um to you know ensure we've got a proper system for recruiting and retaining these teachers and you know keeping our teacher quality teachers strong teachers here in our district.
Um um so so yeah for me I think what's happening within under the guard rails like that stuff does bleed into improving outcomes for students. So that's why I would like to see it also be part in that the time that we're we're discussing or 50% time um devoted to to to outcomes or I think initially in my mind I was looking at a 50% of time working on the SOFG stuff. Um but again, you know, if we're we're um representing the vision and values of the community, that should be also presented to the community at our board meetings. Um, you know, and I think there's important stuff and there's a lot of great questions that could be asked in regards to that that can then again bleed into the part where we're improving outcomes, where we're, you know, getting our quantitative um, numbers up.
So, so yeah, I very much am for, you know, consistently openly discussing the guard rails cuz let's be honest, like we're we're not asking not all of us are posing our questions to to to these progress monitoring reports when we should or how we should, you know, and so if it's something's going to be in consent, well, we're going to look at it even less. Um, and I think if we're committing to SOFG, we need to commit heavily to these guard roles, too, because that that's I think we're really, you know, strengthening our kids character and leadership and taking care of our our um teachers and staff that I see that living there. I'm down. Okay. So, here's what I, you know, I I hear your concerns. And if we were to move that back into the meeting and if we were to count it as part of our time, my condition for me to vote for that would be that we increase the percentage of time in our meeting that we spend on SOFG stuff.
So, we would increase the number from 50%. So for me, if we were to add that back and count guard rails to toward that percentage time, I would want the percentage time increased >> so that we're making a compromise that still like I guess achieves the goals that we're looking to achieve. >> That's the only way I would personally be committed to that. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I could see myself asking a lot of questions on guard roll stuff. So I I >> andor breaking that down and keeping >> disagregating the percentage of the time, whatever that may be, but also increasing it so that this portion of that percentage has to be done on goals and this portions of that percentage has to be done on guardrail so that we're not overpowering our goals conversation would also be what I would look for.