will never get done. >> Yes. >> That's why when you're here, you do the survey, you gather the information, you represent, you get in, we get in the small groups, the whole group, and we make the decision. We we brainstorm options to address the issue that are aligned to the interest. >> That's what the process is kind of for me is breaking down because I have no problem with the tri again. Sorry. I have no problem with the triad having meetings come ideas and presenting it to us. But also at the same time, I think if CA is meeting with our members and we do meet once a month, if we're having one of our meetings during this time of being conferred and we come up with something and we would like to present our recommendation, I feel like it should be both sides should have that option.
And that's really the driving force here, right? Staying in safe harbor, which I understand. It's just that it would be nice if we could do some of these things. And it's just that it just feels like, >> you know, the cards are stacked against us so often when it comes to housing. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Well, I mean, I do think maybe maybe part of the recommendation going forward is to try to find more opportunities to do these sort of things and like prioritize it in a way that that's something that we, you know, as a town, it's something we care about and something we want to pursue and and make it a priority, you know, as we go forward. I mean, we I said we're not going to be able to do everything here on the plan, but I mean, stating it as such, I think might make some sense.
It shouldn't be heavily one side over the other. >> But I I would just I don't know that it's heavily one side. Now we had this that's one. When you are having those meetings when you meet in the first part of the year CA you are having those meetings and you're asking questions and you're trying to get information about what the issues when you send the survey that is information for you all. So you have that to look at. But if you're going to keep going back and asking more options, more options, more options, we're never going to finish. >> I'm not saying asking for more options. I was saying if something comes up in one of our meetings, >> which is true. That's what happened with Triad, right? Something came up and then here it was presented. >> I think you have to think about what we're talking about.
Does that make sense to you, Claudia? >> Yeah. Cuz I I mean, I agree. Yeah. We do want to see more home ownership >> as well. We want to give make sure that people have opportunity to to to get on that path. Um, you know, there's a lot stacked against it like the economy is is a is a big one in the room. But, you know, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop trying, right? >> Yeah. >> No, it doesn't. >> We also want to make sure that the the folks that are residing here can still stay here and can't afford to stay here, >> right? >> You know, senior citizens that are slowly getting, you know, pushed out because of the cost of living and and keeping a home here, paying for everything else. It's just uh you know I'm sure I'll hear that again tomorrow when I when I meet with the uh you know Council on Aging.
>> Right. Right. No, that's true. And I get that that's nuance, but that's why I'm going back to like a hard deadline. Doesn't matter. If the idea is brilliant, it's past the deadline and that's it. >> Yeah. I would like to hear the brilliant ideas for tribe. I also think teachers who have their own like working group because the CA is a working group. It's association. They also have great ideas that every once in a while pop up. >> All right. I'm going to put an end to this >> conversation. I think we have uh discussed this enough. Is everybody okay? Do we want to I asked Joel and I'm asking Vanessa that I don't hear that there are any other things coming other than what we have on the agenda for today. >> Because what I'm going to ask is to say, okay, we're going to put a deadline today.
So and they're all worried about that and rightfully so. >> Something that I find interesting in this document is what they're expecting are you know the projection of our population is now 27,000. Whereas 10 years ago when we were looking at these projections even before that our buildout was only going to be like 22,000. >> So I didn't get to ask this when we when we had Goldson, but I'm like why? What's driving that additional 5,000 people? Like where do they think they're going to go? >> Well, is it the apartments? Was the original was that original uh 22,000 based on you know some apartments? No, I mean it was probably built more on like single family. So that's not what potentially be the difference, right? And also 40B goes around local zoning. That's right. >> Even if things were zoned for >> a certain density, >> you know, 4B allows higher density >> that and other projections around, you know, regionally like, you know, I know people say that we're losing folks all the time in Massachusetts, but, you know, um there's still going to be growth, you know.
We're done with any new things. >> We have another item uh that we wanted to present to you. um it has to do with the number of paid holidays that a certain group of um staff get and it's very detrimental. We wanted to share information and then just ask if it is some if it's an interest of the group to consider or look at additional paid holidays for that group or not. And so again, if we had had a deadline perhaps, I mean, we've actually known about this one for a while, but we weren't getting into compensation on the first few meetings. And so that's why this one came uh in alignment with this and the insurance and it just made sense to bring it um as an item. So I can show that information today and uh show the impacts of that uh holiday uh and it shows everybody's paid holidays and you know does that thing.
>> Yeah. >> So, >> it's a confluence of factors, I think. Mhm. >> So I have a couple more specific comments. >> So on page 80 of the document, um >> Jung Friday had mentioned this. >> I think it's just the way that it's worded. Um Ashlin's wastewater collection system similarity demonstrates ample reserve capacity. I know we've talked about it that that um the agreement we have with Framingham actually really restricts our wastewater capacity and >> given what we've got um I know Joan is concerned about water. I'm more concerned about waste to be honest >> because water we have that connection with um >> MWR >> and while it would be expensive it's really the wastewater stuff that is um >> we're paying for >> we're paying yeah well we're just limited we have a limited capacity so I it may be you know maybe it's something about like we need to monitor it or we need to like ensure that there's capacity following these 40b projects or something.
Um or we can table it and uh put it next year. I would like to put it on as an official tabled item and uh discuss which groups it impacts and get that on the record to that whether we do or don't talk about it. >> Yes, because we didn't have a deadline in place prior to this. So, it is kind of another item. But if we shared it with you guys paid holidays, did anybody do it? Okay. Um but we would like to share the information with you and then maybe make a choice to table or not table. Would that be okay for the group? I mean, >> well, I just I just want to ask like I I'm a little nerv I understand the need for a deadline, but it also makes me nervous because you might have things like this that come forward and certainly we all acknowledge Triad could make that decision without us.
Just just acknowledging that that that's um an issue because I think it actually is an issue, >> right? Do they did I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> Oh, I'm just I'm I'm moving on so I didn't >> No, no, go ahead. I'll bring it up later. Um, on the next page, on page 81, the title of the the the chart that says school enrollment on the rise after years of decline. >> I don't really think that that's the case. >> That's pretty much never been. >> Is that true? >> No. The chart right next to it shows that the going up. The only dip the only dip was during co when people >> Well, yeah. I mean, because co but like that's not accurate. There's there's a little bit of a leveling off, but it really didn't decline. >> No, >> somebody somebody looked at the graph and didn't >> put any context with it.
I personally also appreciate that you guys are willing it to confer for more um >> visibility and discussion and just transparency. So, I don't want to necessarily thwart that. Um, but I also want to give you guys the acknowledgement that you have the freedom to do that. So, but if this is something that would help a group of employees, I don't know that I want to say because we had this arbitrary deadline, we now are not considering moving forward with something we know would be good for an employee group unnecessarily. Right? So, I I don't know. I feel like well and I think maybe here >> before we go down this rabbit hole >> there's two different >> do you the the particular thing you're talking about how soon do you need to know and when does the board need to approve because you got a backwards map from there right if this were hypothetically if this were a teacher contract thing which I'm guessing you're you're going to be doing those pretty soon you would have already had to have known in this case is this is this something that if you got some information today and then we bring it to March 26 that we potentially make a recommendation and if that's the only other thing then we're done we're done with that we're done with precision and then the other three items four items we have for today >> and and I want to quantify it a little bit too we do the work before we bring it so the data is pulled the dollars are assigned the information is we don't just walk and go we think that it'd be a great idea to pay someone paid holidays.
>> So, >> that's exactly what happened. >> So, anyway, um we need to change that title that >> um and that is that's that's that's it for me. So, I know I'm a lot, but yeah. >> Well, that was awesome. Thanks. >> Oh, thank you. More through a fine through cone than them never. So, thank you. I this is what happens when I I worked on the last housing production plan. So I'm looking at things kind of in that >> Oh, you have in that you have that. >> Yeah. So >> that eye for it. So thank you. >> That's it. >> Y anything else you would like to add or >> I have to admit I did not get the opportunity since Thursday to get more detail on this. So >> thank you Brandy for doing the work on this one. um >> everyone halfway.
So I want to say that when we bring something we bring it with the backup of the data to share with the committee. So we're not just bringing an idea we're bringing the work. >> So that's kind of different. And then also Joel >> I was thinking in terms of the pay for performance information. So the the uh committee has been working on that plan a revised plan for the whole year. uh we're bringing forward what the option is that the committee is recommending to go out for approval by teachers because teachers have to approve the plan by 70%. And the reason meet and confer is part of this is that there's a recommendation to increase the pay for performance payout not only for certified but also for classified. So that's another example of something that we know has a compensation impact uh or or lens that needs to be brought to meet and confirm for uh this group to come to consensus about whether or not we want to use the funds that are available through the classroom site fund or through M whichever one it's funded out of whether it's classified or certified but what does that look like moving forward so then we can move forward with starting to get feedback from teachers about that particular plan.
>> I know, you know, the critical thing is one, we need the information right, but the critical thing is we need to get this passed >> and into the state so that we have it >> on the books. Yep. >> To protect us >> and of course continuing to do the work to make sure we get more affordable housing. And to Claudia's point, you know, we need to find ways to make affordable >> purchasing, right? >> Home ownership is is is critical. And um you know we can have the best plan in the world that can talk about that but unless we as a town decide to spend money and actually build more affordable units for purchase it's going to be hard to do. So which is why you know it's good we have the affordable housing trust and and you have some funds and it would be good to look at some I know and I know you guys always are working on that.
So, >> so when do you need the information about the holiday pay? >> Um, >> can you can you present information today? This group may come up with a question or two that might need more research >> if it comes back for a decision on the 26th. Is that okay? >> Yes. >> I think it's just the work that the payroll department has to do to put in the the pay calendar. >> Got it. >> Right. And we may have to look at uh governing board policy because I think there is something in there uh for a holiday schedule, but I I need to go and double check. >> So we would have to do the work to do a policy change also on top of it. And so it would take a minute. >> Yeah. But there isn't a deadline to so we definitely could share information and then >> put classified >> and evaluate at the next meeting that we're talking about holiday.
So >> yep I know that Beth is going to be I'm sorry. >> Oh no no no. I know Beth is going to be sitting down uh with us in Habitat with respect to Olive Street. So >> hopefully >> and my my recommendation for Olive Street is small homes. >> Yeah, they are small homes. >> Yeah, like >> they are small. >> 900 square f feet if that you know >> math may be,00 >> you know it needs to be it needs to be either for seniors moving in so they can move out of their larger homes >> or start homes >> or starter homes, right? >> Yep. Yep. No, that that's been agreed upon with the affordable housing. >> I know you guys have looked at that for a while for Olive Street. >> Oh, seven years. >> Seven years we've been looking at it.
>> Is everyone okay with that? evaluating, hearing the information about the paid holidays and then evaluating at the next meeting >> with the knowledge that we didn't have deadlines before. If we have deadlines going into next year, it'll look a lot different. >> Right. >> Okay. So, because this is a classified thing, those notices go out in May. So, we should have enough time between now board me board recommendation >> and we're not trying to change a schedule or number of days. It's just >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> Can we come to consensus on that though? Is everyone okay with hearing the information about the paid holidays today and then making an evaluated? >> Well, I it sounds like paid holidays today, precision retirement, getting some more information and that's it. Correct. >> Everything else pay for for we're handling that today. >> Well, can we come to consensus on the higher thing of whether we think we need a deadline or not?
>> Yeah. >> So, just um next steps with the housing production plan. So, um we we're going to see this again before we vote on it, right? that like so we'll get the comments into to you guys will consolidate get the comments into Jen and then I think we're supposed to be voting on this on our next meeting >> on our 18th meeting >> on the 18th. >> So >> okay >> um >> so if we can get that before that weekend just just in case to catch anything else that may slip through the cracks >> and Jen needs these ASAP. Yeah, I think um at the planning board meeting presentation she said um basically it was fine for us to give comments today but she needs them tomorrow. I think tomorrow was the >> the ask. >> Yeah. >> Unless I'm not remembering that.
Well, that's what I'm setting right now to say. Deadline today is that nothing nothing else is going to move forward other than what we have on the agenda today. This holiday pay thing, which we're going to get some information today, uh review it at our next meeting and then there should not be any new things after this moment. >> Okay. I think for that. >> So to your point, Katie and Kelly and and everyone else, are we okay that nothing new other than what's on today's agenda? >> No. No new friends as I we'll move forward. We'll discuss the extra holiday pay, make get some information about precision, bring that back, and then uh wrap those items up. We're still going to be talking. So, I'm going to table working workload thing today just because we're way behind uh and because it's not going to have a fiscal impact because I've got to address that and we'll bring that to the next meeting as well.
>> No, tomorrow was ask. >> Yeah. >> Because you know this the sad thing with respect to that we we we got it late. Um, the points that you all brought up were very valid. Uh, points that should have been caught before they were presented to us would and they weren't. Um, so for her to say that she needs them tomorrow. Well, okay, hold on a sec. >> Well, the timeline is our timeline. >> And it's not the consultant's fault that we didn't get this. >> No, I'm I'm not saying that it is, but I'm just saying, you know, >> Well, and to be fair, like Honestly, Jen's presentation was presenting the results and presenting everything to us >> and like we wouldn't have had an opportunity to really like discuss the actual nuts and bolts of that at that meeting. Like we wouldn't we wouldn't have do we wouldn't have dove into >> to headlines and charts and >> like we that wouldn't have been what that meeting was for.