>> So, but we're looking at that, at least to answer your question, we're looking at the rental fees right now. >> Yeah. >> So, why don't we vote on a ceiling tonight and then I know you guys have already >> That's what we're going to do. Is this the ceiling we want? >> Or do we want more? >> I I mean, that's up to everybody else. But my question is, we're going to need some cuts. So, I would ask Al to work with his team to prioritize from each building. If you want these or or are these a higher priority than something else you already have, if you have to pick one or two things you have to get rid of, what would that be? >> I don't know. It sounds like we need a biology teacher more than maybe a fifth grade teacher. And so we need to hear that from these administrators have an unpopular >> that well that that's the problem.
Hold on. But that's the problem, right? Like we've heard from them like they've cut what they've cut. >> So you have nothing there's nothing else that can be cut right now. >> And the other things that can be cut >> people but all right. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Berlin doesn't have a kindergarten parent professional. Correct. >> That's correct. >> How many does BES have? >> Three. one per class >> because >> can we talk about class sizes difference? >> But that's still three pair professionals for zero. >> That's because they those were added to make it equitable because they were just added a couple years ago because BMS had two. >> They have one. >> What happened? >> We cut them. >> Yeah. What do you class? >> Well, you still have a recess aid over there. We don't. 13,1 that was paid for with Apple TV.
>> The Apple TV money is >> and it's not funded right now. Oh, so the recess >> that's why it's up there. >> I thought we class. So class sizes class sizes John and in your kindergarten what numbers do you have? >> Uh this year it's small uh 14 to 15. >> 14 to 15. Rob classes >> close up 18. Uh, kindergarten 18 this year. Anticipation is about the same next year. >> 18, 18, and 18. >> So, how is that? >> There's like 23 kids in a class. >> We should have reevaluated be 20 next year. >> So, you have a parachute >> in both. >> You have no paras in your kindergarten now. >> Correct. >> And that is probably one of the most valuable positions. >> Oh, I totally agree. Honestly, that's probably something that >> So when you're looking at our FTAs for kindergarten, you got a six FTA >> the opposite direction.
>> But I kid you not, that is they are so valuable. Those 5-year-olds come in. >> That's not even on our >> They're not on priority one >> or priority two >> because there's so many other things on there. >> It's really what it is >> because we can't add another thing. We can't add another thing. >> Oh, but but we could. So through your conversation, we could reallocate that, right? So our Paris, that's conversation Janelle and I and our team will be having shortly like we we keep the amount of Paris, but we we do risk redistribution, correct? >> But that's going to affect the assessment. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Well, you have to wait and see who you need for one-on- ones, right? Is that how that works? >> No, this is this is >> general separate from one. >> Yeah. The kindergarten pairs are are different from special education.
I mean, they're under the same sort of agreement, etc. But the needs are >> that three that one per classroom is not is not special. >> No, it's not special. >> No, those were three that we uh that were added into the operating budget. >> This talk about reallocation though that's going to affect the assessments. So >> that's the work that we'd have to do with Aaron and the team to look at that >> to reallocate. Yeah. >> But that would increase the assessment to Berlin >> possibly. >> That wouldn't be this year. >> How would it increase? Because the elementary school to >> the elementary school if you're moving that to >> Oh, you mean if you moved ahead to Berlin? Yeah, that would absolutely increase Berlin. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, that would not help in Berlin. It would help Oilston. >> You you were going to just curious what the class size for the incoming fifth grade for BMS is next year.
class size for the incoming fifth grade for next year >> for for me >> for Berlin and Boston >> for Berlin John >> um 22 and 21 >> okay >> going into fifth grade >> yeah we should clarify if you look at the two buildings my school's smaller than our class sizes average out to be about the same >> yeah they're about the same >> because you have three teachers for every >> three sections >> versus We had two. >> We have three in Boilson except for fifth grade. >> Yeah, >> which goes back to that bubble we're talking about. You'll eventually see that coming up at the high school. >> Well, the fifth grade class right now, which is my son's, is a the opposite of bubble, whatever you want. It's tiny. And so they only have 40 kids in that class, but that's an anomaly.
Every other class in Boilston is close to between 55 and 65, right? >> 54, 49, 67 for my second grade. So, it's a little high. 43 in fifth grade. um 66 and fourth. So >> yeah. So that 43 that's they're gone and then everything's in the 50s and 60s. >> Everything else will be above it. >> Yeah. >> 49 is my lowest but >> I don't think the classrooms have space to have 33 children. So I don't know what you would do. You'd have kids in an overflow room. Like they physically can't fit 33 desks. So you'd have to have like an overflow room that was like monitored by a par. You did cut that. Like if you did or you'd have to move a teacher, you'd have to probably get rid of people, reallocate because you need somebody that's licensed. You could probably do it in your third or whatever grade you have is low.
You could do two in that, but then you'd have to reallocate. Probably have to get rid of someone hired. It would be a mess. It would be a mess. >> It's not the education that you guys want in both umbrella. >> It would be a huge imp. It would be very impactful. >> Talking to the superintendent in Framingham today, right? They're doing splits next. You haven't heard splits in the like the last five, six years, right? where they take teacher teach half a third grade and half of a fourth grade. But that's what they're doing, right? This is the situation that some districts are in splits. Like I haven't heard that in 10 years. >> Not educationally. So >> So uh what do we want to do? >> Vote on this and then I mean I know there's no >> vote on what though. What are we voting on >> this?
What does anyone want to add anything? Three, two. >> I mean, I want to look at it all, but >> I know, but like just keep in mind, we are going to >> we're going to hopefully have some more clarification to the towns. It would be very interesting to see what Berlin can is willing to support. Hopefully, we'll have that by March 24th. We don't know. >> Are we approving the lunch recess aids under using those funds that >> No, >> I I don't think we should add those in. >> Um I I don't know. I don't know what was going to say, Megan. Uh to answer your question, they've asked, like Aaron said, to be assessed the capital, but then the money we were planning to use for that to be set against operating, which we've already talked about is probably not a smart idea.
We have not got a specific amount, >> but no amounts. They haven't said use 200,000 to offset our budget. >> We met on Thursday, Friday with a new town administrator who's interim. Um so we met with him on Thursday. Um, so we presented the budget to him and he's starting those conversations as well. >> So right now we have uh what? Three of the priority ones in there. >> Yeah. >> Biology teacher, a district float nurse, and a reading specialist. >> All right. Going once for anything else that anyone wants to talk about? >> Does anyone in the crowd want to suggest anything? because it's going to be up to you guys basically to support this at town meeting if this is what we go for. So probably need more than just whatever was in here. I don't know the number but >> All right.
Can we go back to that slide for one more second please? >> Which slide are you looking >> that right there? Can you just >> this one? >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> so scroll scroll down a little to priorities. So, I'm going to just say um is that tech support Alex is sitting in the room, right? Doing the work that he's doing, right? I mean, that's low money, ladies and gentlemen. Um to have another We have a tech department of of two people in our entire district. 2.5 people we have right now for our entire district for our our our technology that our teachers use, for everything. >> I told you to get rid of it books. I think books are more expensive. >> What's that? Books are more expensive and they're and they're outdated, right? But I I I just would say take a look at that.
So every hour he's here with us on these lengthy meetings, we we take him off the school day, right? So >> do we have kids from the school? >> I asked that last week. We do have people out there who are looking for tech jobs or students. Just putting that out of school. That's >> 6,500 for the year. >> Cover that choice. >> We could probably take that out of school choice. >> We probably need school choice. >> That's >> I know. I don't even know. >> So hard. Do >> you mind if I talk to coach? >> Sure. >> Come on, brother. >> Thanks, Janelle. >> Yes, why not? >> I know. I know. But I I just I've only been here nine months and I I I've seen and this is the worst time of year because you guys have it's town versus gown.
It's two towns versus each other. It's it's not it's not fun. And I'm I'm sorry to do this, but I have to advocate for some more support for my teaching. Um core teaching instruction is getting more challenging by the day. We're about to embark on an English language arts campaign to look for the next curriculum. that work. I know that Lisa is going to be swamped with that work, but that's really going to be We relied so much on Joey to do the math and I think he did a great job. We We saw support. We supported the the math coach in the district before my time and we saw the math scores go up. Our our ELA scores are plateauing. They're not looking where we want them. I I I I I know what your expectations are and I know what their expectations are.
Without helping our teachers to to hone their crafts, we are going to just continue to see that plateau if not see a decrease. That's all. But the question becomes, how do we pay for it? How did the towns pay for it? What are we going to tell the towns when they come and say, "How can you do this? That's crazy. because you know that's coming. >> I mean, do people fully understand what happens in Boilston if we don't meet their number? >> It goes to a ballot. If it doesn't pass on the ballot, we go back to what 112 budget. >> Well, we go through a process for special meetings and all that, but eventually. Yeah. >> Yeah. Not right away. >> How much are we off now with adding these things? >> Without adding them, we were already off. You bought like 250,000. >> But I'm just wondering how much we're off now.
>> Yeah. I think it was like 300. It was 338 before we even touched any of this stuff. >> It was around it was around 260. >> Yeah, they get updated. >> Right. So now with these things added in with what does that calculate? I don't know where >> does that calculate what >> for >> we added these things the boil assessment. So the boil assessment is going to go to 13378. >> It's going to be roughly another 100,000. >> Yeah. more than that >> 100. Yeah. 25. >> So we're at 240 right now. >> I mean roughly 65 30. >> That's that's the problem we're having, right? We're on out of one side of our mouth, we're saying we've got to cut to meet this number. And on the other side of our mouth, we're saying let's add all these >> priorities. >> All right.
So my opinion would be if we feel strongly about these, all you want to add the ELA coach, add the ELA coach, then come back. >> I should add it. just would be doing my teachers a disservice if I didn't advocate for them at their request because we've all talked about that. >> I I think we all acknowledge that it's super important. I >> personally think that it could unfortunately wait >> I don't have >> would be my and I appreciate you speaking up for your teacher, >> but would you rather that than something else you have in your building? >> I don't know. >> Well, there we go. And that's what I'm asking is for the Olympic conversation. >> Yeah, that's what I'm asking because the elementary schools >> hold on, Jackie. No, Jackie, ask you a question. >> Just my question. The EL coach at the elementary schools.
Is that equation different than if it were a Tanto thing? No, it's >> 5050 or district is 2550. Tahanto is the 6535 whatever give or take. So >> but the bees BMS three days are at BES and two are at BMS usually. >> Some of these vary by need. So the float nurse each building has a nurse and at any given day that nurse could call out. So that 2550 makes sense. Yeah. There are other cases where you know the lunch recess is even split between uh the specialist teacher I believe is a 6040 split between bees BMS as is the ELA coach. >> Thank you. >> Now behave because we know how many days you have left. It's your last public meeting. Go ahead. Well, first >> it could be >> say anything else. If you've noticed me over there with my eyes closed, it's because I had eye test done today and I swear to God, I could see in the dark.
My eyes are so dilated. Um to join what Rob was saying, we know what we need to do to educate these children. We are unwilling to do what we need to do. We're going to put and the high school needs what the high school needs, but you're going to put a reading specialist in the high school to address a problem that we're creating in the elementary school. And we're going to continue to create that problem in the elementary school. You talk about wanting high quality education. We can't get distracted by stuff that we don't absolutely need. If I could pick one thing, that would be the thing. And to not say that, to not point out to you that we cycle slowly down to mediocrity, which is where we are headed. >> Oh, absolutely. >> I feel like as an administrator, I would be doing you a disservice now, not pointing that out.
It's up to you. And Megan, you're absolutely right. Bring me a list of something that you rather Yeah. Tell I am I am being dead serious when I say my personal opinion, right, wrong or indifferent. Bring a list. I am happy to entertain it. Obviously, it has to go through your boss and has to go through the proper channels. But that is what I'm looking for. I'm happy to support what you're telling me. You are dead on. Christina made some great comments about we need to be innovative. We need to be creative. We need to start reorganizing our priorities. That's the only way we're going to survive. But but I'm really ready to have that conversation because I heard Jackie mention it. I hear it and I heard um Beth mention it like are you looking to make larger class sizes because that's where you're going to to say >> they're coming and saying I don't want that fifth grade teacher >> where else where else where else in Bolston Elementary School is there to make a cut right where what is there we don't take a look at central office take a look at this this is all we got right there's no extra people we don't have coaches we don't have all many tutors we don't have extra people you hear principles Mike sat on interview panel for principles of Berlin, right?
The the people they're talk well I get my social emotional team to come to the to this meeting. I have this team even to like we don't have it. This is it. >> Our data team meets weekly. We don't have >> like this is it. I was joking about the HR like this is it right? Yeah. Like us making these decisions. So who else are we cutting? >> Why are we so lean compared to other >> because because of money >> money >> we have no commercial tax base in these towns. Both towns have no commercial tax base and we are both small residents. There's tons of open land. >> And looking at that budget, you don't have you don't have a spending problem. You have >> it's a revenue problem. >> I sat in Berlin last year and they said it's a better year last year because more people bought new cars.