And I I'm I'm looking at that 40% classroom site fund for performance pay. I hate to do it to the teachers, but that's $826,000. That would be almost take care of everything and people wouldn't be losing jobs over it. Well, and okay, just remember that that can only apply to teachers. So, I understand what you're saying, but but remember then it it can only apply to these positions that that are teachers. Mhm. Okay. I just want you to remember that because Yeah. But then Okay. But then that would because most of these were teaching positions, weren't they? Is a parah a teacher? No. Crossing guards. Yeah, it's not very many teachers at all. Three, four, five, three, four, five, six, seven, seven, eight. Eight. I count eight. Nine, 10, 11. H. Okay. So, half of them are teaching positions, you know, and 826,000 will not cover that.
The housing protection plan uh the decision that we had discussed a few minutes ago was not in here. So part of part of where I'm struggling is to get organized for these meetings. like some stuff is in an email, some stuff is in this folder. I think we had some conversations about using the folders, not using the folders. What's our like what are we doing? >> The housing production plan draft and this decision both came in after we sent out the meeting materials. So that's why they came in separately. >> I understand. >> Is it possible just to keep dumping stuff into that folder then? >> As long as you can access it. >> I mean like you and Melissa like can >> Oh yes. Yes, absolutely. >> Because I think that's part of the challenge I'm having where I think originally we talked about the folder.
Okay. I mean, just so you know, because I I did work those numbers. Yeah. Yeah, because I mean I I like I said, you know, you know how I pushed every year for raises and stuff and I'd be the first that wanted to take any money from any of the employees and stuff, but if there was some way that we, you know, that we could do it so that the employees wouldn't lose because, you know, losing the jobs just is some of the I will say that some of the um some of those teacher positions are vacant already. So eliminating those positions, those are not, for example, the two positions at Desert Valley. We don't need those positions. Okay? So it saves us money in the M budget, but it's but they're it would they would go away anyway. Yeah. Okay. So we really can't say 11.
I was like let's not do it. Now we're doing it, but then we're still getting things over email. The whole point of it was to avoid last minute things coming in, but we're getting them. >> Yeah. It's never to avoid last minute things because that's unavoidable. But I think having the folder and then when we get something last minute, >> just reshare the folder, do you think? >> Yeah, you could the folder just becomes updated. >> Yeah. And just let you know this has been added. >> We can certainly do that. >> Yeah. Or it could be sending and putting it in the folder. Whatever is easier. >> Whichever is easier. as long as people are kind of notified right away and the folder is up to date, however that works best, right? But >> yeah, but personally, I've really been liking the folder because I keep going back to it and everything's in one place mostly.
Uh, I will tell you that one of the ways that I worked it was because I try to make it make some logical sense. So, I did work the numbers of what happens if if we moved the all of the P PE positions over to classroom site fund, it would wipe out that 40%. It would be more than that. Um, and um, uh, we'd barely cover the 2,000 on base. Now, it's not that we can't do that. Yeah. Um but that's not the intent of that law. Okay. So, you know, Yeah. I mean, and and you all can direct me to do that. I mean, that's, you know, that's your job as the board. Um to do those kinds of things. Um uh or to rework this to to do to take more than the 40%. You know, if you want if you want to advise me to do that.
>> That's the intent, right? >> Okay. >> So, you're going to bring up mine? >> Yes. just uh I could bring up myself, but I don't know how to even >> And to be clear, the one I'm looking at is the one with the February 20th date on the bottom left hand. >> Like your >> Yes. Yes. >> And so when you say other people had made changes, those would also be in that version. >> They would be in the version. Yeah. that that um because JM Goldson put everyone's comments and sent it out. >> Okay. >> And you can look at a the messy com >> this is just these are just mine. Um which >> the thing about thing about mine is that mine are just comments like theirs are correcting mine are taking my comments and giving the information. You know what I mean?
Okay. And then we also have all those other things that I indicated on this page that were considerations, you know. So there are things on there that you could you could say, okay, let's um uh just example, uh let's let's eliminate the longevity stipens. Okay, so there's, you know, there's a a teacher and a half or two classified positions. Yeah. or those kinds of things. So, I mean, I shared these thoughts with you so you would know there are other places in the budget that could be played with. Okay. It's not nearly going to make much of a dent into anything though. Those aren't other than a health insurance. That's the big Yeah. Other than that, I mean, the others are 20, 30. Yeah. You know, they're not huge numbers. Well, Sheila, and you're right, but the truth is, and one reason I brought this tonight to show you is where you see all the yellow, those are things because I literally go through this every single line when I build a budget.
Yes. Some of these weren't incorporated. Exactly. Some of them weren't incorporated at all. Right. >> Well, mine are just they're they're just questions, so it might actually be better. I hate to >> have you shift gears. >> No, it's okay. Now that I've got it, this is the red line here. So, I can just Yep. This one's the red line. I just had yours. >> Let's keep the Let's keep the red line. >> Okay. Where do you want to start? Sorry. >> Um I think page five. >> Okay. I think page five at the Yeah. So, it's bath. Basically, the question here was um and some of our residents who tapped, you know, said this too. Um there were it says that there's sufficient water and sewer capacity. So, you know, my question was, you know, how do we how do we know we're we're below capacity?
Okay. Okay. So when we need to make cuts, so for instance, the middle of last school year when I needed to make some cuts and bring you all a revised budget recommendation, um I moved money around. And I will tell you, I call it nickel and dimming because sometimes you need to move 500 from this place to this place or a thousand from this place to this place or eliminate a thousand here and a thousand there. And so you're right, these numbers don't look big by themselves. But the truth is they add up, right? Okay. And and I wanted you to know that I wasn't just thinking these things that I was thinking about all kinds of other things as options as well. Okay. Um uh and they are options for you as a board. Not just for me as my proposal, but for you as a board.
Does this include all the approved projects? And so, they re they relooked at that statement and kind of made it more um you know got into some detail, made it more clear. Um again, I think people should kind of go through this red line and see if those things those corrections still make sense, but it's kind of telling you what um that they did add that tried to add that detail back in. >> I think it's really confusing the way it reads. >> Yeah, I don't think that's well written. No offense to whoever wrote it. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. And I I assume >> I don't even know how to fix that. >> Well, I don't think we need to. I assume JM Goldson wrote it, but >> I I would say that's the most confusing. It meant to be in a document normal people can read and I don't understand.
And I didn't want to come to this meeting and to talk about these things and make you think that there was no place else in the budget that we could make cuts. There are places. Okay. This proposal reflects my values and the values that I think the board has had and the district has had um uh for the seven years that I've been here. But that does not mean that there aren't some other tough choices that need to be made. What is the last date? the last day for you to for you to decide as a board for us to say yes or no or to whatever um in terms of a legal sense. Yeah. U April 15, well before April 15th because employees have to be notified by April 15th if they're not being hired. Um uh we cannot issue contracts and work agreements before March 15.
I'm definitely not a normal person. So that was self-deprecating. No one laughed fact. Like I'm telling you that's really badly written. I don't even know what that means. >> Well, I would say >> how how do I interpret that margin? >> Title five versus mass D totally different margins. Like what what do what do you do with that? What margin? Like this should be a lot more clear. I mean the last sentence is good. You should be concerned, but where how at what point do we get concerned? >> Well, again, you have to remember that this isn't I mean, I'm not saying it's not confusing, >> but it's it's it's not a whole report. It's just one few sentences on that issue. >> Yeah, I think the prior sentence with the gallons needs to be cleaned up. >> Thanks, Peter. >> Have a good one.
So you've got a window in there. Okay. You have a window in there. Obviously I can't give out work agreements and contracts until we decide what the you know what the whole thing is going to look like. Those those are the only restrictions. So, just just kind of thinking here and playing with my little calculator on my phone, the first three line items in this this sheet here are are pretty much non-negotiable. Those things are going to be expenses that we have to deal with, right? You mean the insurance premiums and the the insurance, the property and liability insurance and workers comp, the 5% increase in utilities. So, the second and third one are probably non-negotiable. The first one about is is a board uh you know I mean there are districts that pay no insurance. Okay. All right. So I mean that is that is one something that is do I recommend that?
>> I see. Um so but but the original concern >> the original concern was that um it was just stating that water and sewer are operating below capacity. So >> this actually defines it. Yeah. >> Yeah. Capacity is great. I'm just saying that like to the public that couple of sentences is going to create >> you're swinging from 80,000 gallons per day to 11,000 gallons per day. It's like a massive like one's eight times larger than the other. Like >> Yeah. Yeah. So maybe it should say there's multiple different standards that can create some ambiguity. Here's potential standards for communities to evaluate. Town of Ashlin should take into consideration these different standards and determine when capacity is a problem. Like break this into normal English, right? Otherwise it reads like a panic, like confused, confuzzled panic. Like I don't know. Sounds scary. I don't even know what it means.
No, you know but it is it is an option for you. Okay. So what would happen and I just was doing round numbers going to the recognition of continuing employees dropping that 120 to 60 there'd still be something dropping site fund for base pay from 415 to maybe 215. So there's something there for them. the performance pay reducing that maybe by I don't know 300 maybe I don't know I I know that there's going to be impacts to the to the uh employees but just those three things I was thinking about there add up to about $700,000. Okay. And one thing I I need to mention excuse me that I need to mention relative to the classroom site fund. Uhhuh. We do that is a required committee and we have that it's not paid for out of M excuse me which is why you've not seen it on this list that way.
>> Yeah. Does like the 11,000 gallons per day on the, you know, the the narrower margin, does that allow for another thousand households or does that allow for 20 households? >> I will say I love this in the sense that like I have never seen anyone try to tell us when we should be concerned. >> So that to me this is magic. Like I really appreciate that the consultant is finally giving us language and I'm not criticizing the consultant team because it sounds like this is really hard to explain >> and it's a technical term. >> So note made that it needs to be more clear. Let's go on. >> I would not take it out. I would just edit. >> No, it can't be taken out but you know we can't we can't really change this. >> Correct. Um um in fact I'm pretty sure they wanted us to vote on it but um we're gonna you know um because there is a timeline involved as we talked about last time.
However, whatever plan that committee comes up with must be approved by 70% of the teachers in the district. Okay. Okay. So, um that's out. Yeah. I truthfully I mean if you know and I should have said that up to you up front. Okay. So those two bullets are pretty iffy. Yeah. And I was just Yes. You know, my my initial response to what Melinda proposed was like I really don't see that there isn't any kind of an advantage, but um maybe Melinda's on the right track. Maybe her her uh feeling of well let's let's consider this and talk about it sure has merit. So I'm kind of and truthfully Fred things things like when you said uh for the one initially no change in base rates but retaining step okay half a step as opposed to a step that's an option that's an option you all can consider um uh uh changing the amounts of money for the longevity stipens because we have fiveyear 10year and 15year stipens you all could Hey, let's reduce that total by, you know, that 83,000 by 50% and then I have to figure out how to break that down to be, you know, to be equitable for the folks who've earned those stipens or to bring to you a plan that's different than what it currently is.
So um page six um they were looking to explain um the first text just talked about compliance with state housing targets and I was like what targets? What do you mean just like 40b? And so they they changed that to states 10% affordable. Like they were just more specific about it. This whole next section, if we if you scroll forward, um all that red line, you see how they're taking out those paragraphs and just putting the little first line. >> I I think I'm going to take credit for that one because my comment was it seems really competitive to have these goals, these these paragraphs listed here and then when you get to this is page what? 67. six, seven. >> I know my kids will love that. And then when you get to page eight, nine, see how they were just repeated in full.
Or you can say, you know, okay, well, we, you know, we really would like to continue those special ed stipens right now. We can't afford it. Those are options that you all have. Um, and you know, a piece here and a piece there and a piece here, um, as Barb pointed out, uh, add up. And so having some time to think about it is not unreasonable. So we need to figure out when everybody could meet again. Look at next Friday. Do we have a time on next Friday? You'll still be out of town on Friday, right? I'm out of town Friday. Well, I have to leave Friday at noon. But we did it Friday early morning. Yeah. Caroline, how about you? I will be in town Friday until noon. Okay. Friday the 20th. Is that what you're looking at? I'm looking at Yeah. Friday the 20th.
The whole paragraph was repeated in full. And I was like, why am I reading this twice? So, um, so they they just labeled them and they described it later. There wasn't any problem with the text itself. It was just that it was doubled. Um, my next thing besides typos 11 was kind of a just a typo thing. Uh, it's a long document. Oh, um, >> it is. Yeah. So, page 16, this is just a little thing. They were they were talking about different sites. Um, and I noted on when they were talking about MBTA communities, they talked about a a one town owned vacant parcel that was currently under the um MBTA communities. I'm like, no, that can't be because those weren't allowed in MBTA communities. So, they they changed that. I think it was just a >> I think it was just the road basically that they were counting.