I don't know what we're going to do at some point. You guys talk about those things when you strategize and decide to wait. You guys consider all of this? >> I think And to be honest, Senator, our considerations was really looking and spending time and getting the making sure we got feedback from getting opportunity for all the complex areas and all of our staff um to get feedback was our priority at that time. >> I appreciate that honest answer, but I think in the future and it shouldn't even be in the future. I think it should be constant that you got to pay attention to the finances in your household. You don't make decisions not based on any finances, right? You can you cannot continue to to live and to take care of your family and do all that without considering what the cost is and what the finances.
Um and what that stress is like. >> I think what you're getting at, Michael, is that we have so few people to rely on to staff that the work life balance is becoming unmanageable. And I see it and I know and I have staff here tonight that are doing I know the two sergeants in the back are doing um really three people's jobs >> um during their shift and I'm asking them to be here tonight when they're not getting paid. They're here um voluntarily because to to just um and Sergeant Pierce, I don't mean to call you up, but if you could just stand up for a second and just um do you mind coming up for one minute? Oh boy, he's surprised. He didn't know about this. >> Sorry. But >> he's got a notebook show. >> Kevin is one example. He works the 7 to three shift um as a patrol sergeant.
So, we're dead. >> Yes. I would just like to um clarify the teacher side. We have a great contract for two-year contract for teachers. I think they're being very well compensated, very competitive compared to other districts in our community. Um some years we're going to spend more money on facilities like you talking about, 1200 wing West Valley. And some years we won't. So for example, next year if we spend less money on other finishers besides teacher salaries we'll be you know maybe 52% above 50%. So that number fluctuates year to year. So I don't want to make it sound like we're not paying our teachers well when we are. >> So it's in relationship to our other expens. >> It's in relation to our total expenditure. >> Yeah. >> That's how we calculate it. >> Yeah. >> That's what I was wondering how that works.
And yet we come into government, we get millions of dollars and we pay no attention to what the cost is and we just look in things in silos and decide to move on without any regard because it's not your money. It's not your money and and that has to change. That attitude has to change and it has to start with DOE from the top because there is consequences to the people on the bottom of the of the food chain. >> Understood. >> So what are the uh triggering factors that would >> merit a school consolidation? >> So according to our heart, it's oneird or more of the square footage in existing facilities require replacement or improvement to meet prescribed standards. One third or more available classrooms are in excess of the teaching station and educational program or enrollment decline in staff reductions have or will reduce the capability of the school to provide the range of educational opportunities offered at adjoining schools with larger enrollments provided.
However, >> could you explain real quick what we rely on you to do um because we only have 29 people. >> Um I'm not here to >> go closer to the microphone. I'm I'm not here to toot my own horn, but um I handle firearms licensing, which takes up a lot of my day, and I have to limit how many people I can process in a day. Um and then I work with Chris and the school safety committee. Um firearms training. There's >> SRO's manage. >> Yeah, manage the SRO's along with the safety committee. Um so those things are there's just certain things I can't do in a day that have to get pushed off to tomorrow. And that's on top. >> And that's not just me. There's a lot of that's just an example of everybody's doing that. >> That's while he's the shift commander for the day shift.
just want to be I want to demon get greedy more money there was half million dollars on the table >> to back up Mr. Carter's point, what throws things off is when we do an HVAC project that's $1.3 million. That skues that percentage significantly. >> Track remodel, all kind >> track remodel, that that plays a factor. We just finished the the 200 building here at Anderson with the new HVAC was 1 point actually came in about 1.1 million. I'm expecting West Valley's 1200 to be 1.3 million. And so it does impact those numbers. >> Well, that's what I read. that said it was comparative to other schools. So, I think that's why it was kind of safe why it wasn't that >> I'd also like to make comment. Um, you I appreciate everybody who was here speaking. I know that they all have passionate points of view and I respect that.
Preliminary data indicate that adjoining schools can accommodate any relocated students without substantial capital improvement expenditures for additional facilities. So those are the three criteria. >> Okay. Okay. And so you had mentioned that you had given a presentation to the board. >> Yes. >> Within that presentation, did you have suggested schools that might need to be considered >> at that time at that time? >> At that time, we did not. We provide that >> prior to then. Did you have >> prior to that? No. >> Okay. because I think to include a piece and I want to be very sensitive to the people that are very attached to their schools. Um I'm not sure how uh important putting the emotional piece in there in swaying that decision- making and how much it is actually costing taxpayers. >> So thank you chair. So is there a list now at that time and prior to that you did not.
>> Um, Sergeant Rocky, do you mind two seconds just coming up? >> While you're shift, I just have one quick question. Are you salaried or are you guys hourly? >> Okay. >> But this is all they're getting paid eight hours to do. >> No, I understand. >> They're doing the others. >> Good evening. Uh, for those of you who don't know me, I'm Larry Rodkkey. the uh patrol sergeant for the I work a split shift, two 3 to 11s and two day shifts. Um but kind of just to echo the chief's point, um we are absorbing a lot of the administrative responsibility on top of overseeing a number of young cops. Uh we've hired 10 in the last two years, I believe. Um so I oversee our communications division, which is nine full-time dispatchers, a number of PDM dispatchers. Um I oversee our field training program.
Um, some things said were not necessarily accurate. I invite anybody, my office is always open to come in and talk to me. Uh sometimes um people that aren't in education as a profession don't always understand code laws. Um so my door is always open. Please come speak to me. Thank you. >> Student representative. Another long meeting for you. Uh, no. I don't have anything. >> Um, we have two more meetings. So, April will be Anderson and West Valley student of the month and May will be North Valley and New Tech. And I talked to Brian. Um, I think this recognizing the student of the month is really good for the kids. Um this month what I did was um Anderson Eleanor said that he is kind of an adren adrenaline junkie and has a motorcycle and so I know Trace is always working on his and he's an adrenaline junkie and he has tools like crazy and so I didn't know what this kid had.
But is there a list now of possible school closures? >> At this time I do not have a list >> but you have I have the data that if I I needed to I could look at it and pull one. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Last item on the agenda. House Bill 2300, House draft 1, relating to Department of Education Procurement, adjust the applicability of act 134, uh, to clarify the threshold for Department of Ed, procurement of local edible products and packaged food products, prohibits the artificial division and parceling of Department of Education, procurement of local edible products and packaged food products. And justifying on this is DOE Hello, Chair Kim, Vice Chair Kanani, members of the committee, Shantima testifying on behalf of the Department of Education. The department stands on our written testimony in support of this measure.
So, there's a lot of things that go into that. Um, and we appreciate your support and uh we look forward to continuing to provide um the police services that we do. >> Are you an old cop, Larry? >> I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I know. >> For sure. For sure. Okay. Um, you know, I just, um, one thing I I just a couple of things really, but um, you know, one thing I think that I've noticed is the police are more visible in town and maybe, you know, I'm grateful I oh jeez, don't get pulled over too much, but um, it it helps me be more conscious about the well, you know, might have a story or two. Um, but you know, I I I appreciate it because it it does make me more conscious about how fast I'm driving. And so I think the the the visual nature um is important.
So I said, "Trace, what do you think?" And he goes, "Go to Tractor Supply and get him um the gear wrenches." So, he got a big thing of gear wrenches is what I got him. So, I said, "I hope hope you like those." So, I sent Trace a picture. He goes, "Yeah, get him those." So, that's what he got because I think all kids should have their own gear, his own wrenches. So, that's what he got. Um the other one, um Megan said he wants these Nike Nike ones. Well, >> he they were nowhere in town, so I had to get them off Amazon, so they weren't quite all black. They had a little bit >> It was just a It was just a request he had. I wasn't expecting anything. He walks to school, so he ruin he goes through their shoes like nuts.
This measure will allow us to pilot new items, purchase items based on seasonal availability, and supplement our local purchasing. Thank you for this opportunity to testify. We stand by for questions. Thank you. Okay, we have Bonnie. Good afternoon again, chair, vice chair, member of the committee. Bonnie Kquwayy for the state procurement office. We'll stand on our written testimony and thank the legislature for taking our recommendation to include language to prohibit against parceling, which is the artificial division of goods and services to avoid the procurement process. Thank you. Thank you. Brian Miamoto, Farm Bureau, a local food coalition in support. Amanda Shaw in support. That is all we have that signed up. Anybody else wishing to testify on this measure?
Um I had a actual question too, but it's it's gone for now. So maybe it'll come back. >> Come back. >> Well, thank you. >> Thank you. So just those two quick and they're not the only two. I'm just using them as an example. So my fear at my level is that um how how long can I go to this well before it dries up? How long can I ask these employees to keep doing all of this and how can I expect them to be healthy employees with a work life balance that works for their families if we keep asking all of this of them? So >> what's it like to get >> Oh, I can't talk about that at at my level. But does does anyone want to talk about um officer Snider >> being forced? >> What's it like to get forced? Mike, >> how about when this meeting is over, just stick around for eight hours.
>> I like getting them things that they can't get themselves. >> And so Anderson's one of them. He wanted um the lights parade. So I got them the thing, the holiday lights that they couldn't go get. So that's the things I'm looking for is things that they can't that they won't go get. And so after these two meetings, I don't want to do this again because I don't like taking the greed from everybody. I'm here for the kids. I want to help the kids. That's what I want to help. Um and I want to be able to stick up for myself and tell people why I do these things. Um and say how how I don't like taking what I have to take from people. Um and so I'm not running again. I refuse to run again. However, my husband and I like doing this.
Hearing none. Uh questions for the Department of Education. Well, let me start with Bonnie first. That's simple. So, Bonnie, besides the parcel, is there anything else in this that concerns you at all on on this measure? Originally, we were concerned about the way the the wording was because it it said ex exemp except for provisions in 103D305, but I think that with this language um against the parceling that we would be okay with it. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you, Kate. DOE. >> So, how does increasing the threshold to 250,000 impact the procurement oversight and transparency? >> It just allows us to purchase more. Um, as far as this impacting our overall locally source, it probably won't have a significant impact on that. So, we're looking at more at using this to pilot different items uh to see how it fits with our menu and establish working relationships with individual farmers.
>> Yeah, you can't go home. >> Yeah, don't go home. >> You're supposed to go home. And and that's a reality. So So forced overtime was a a huge significant problem four years ago. Um through the hard work of town management and um the unions, we've come to a point where we've hired and and we have um come to a point where forces are not typical. Communications is a whole different animal. Forces happen there often. We're working on that. Um but picture you got to pick your kid up. I was a working mom, a cop working and I had two girls that like I had to pick them up. There was no other reliable source. And if I worked 8 to 4 and if at 3:30 I got a call and said you can't go like what are you going to do? And that's a a little bit of a cushion so that we're not looking at forces goes a long way.
I asked Brian, "Is it okay? We still do these student of the months and he said yes." So, if it's okay with you, principles, my husband and I still want to do this. So, we're still going to do it. So, I'm just going to bring them to you guys. And >> you have you guys give them if you don't mind. And I know Dustin Gurnie doesn't mind zoning the jerky. And um Dedra gives me a certificate because I think it's bene benefit to them. And to me it's the fun part. Like I tell Brian, I get to go shopping and people ask my husband, they go, "Does she get paid?" And he goes, "Oh yeah, she gets 200 200 a month to do this." And he goes, "But let me tell you what she does with this money." And he goes, "She gives it to the students.
>> So, I think we've had this discussion before. So, the threshold right now is what 100 >> 100 >> and I think we've talked about the fact that you can do that now. So what areas or what special local foods that you want? I know you folks brought a poi in the past and stuff like that, but that you cannot procure with 100,000. >> We're in the process right now of piloting the poi and then the next one is going to be local cucumber. >> So the vendors, you can't just do that with the with the vendors. >> We can. It just allows us to make a bigger purchase with the 250. What the vendors can get more than 250, right? You go to the vendors. >> Um, >> okay. So, you folks go through a vendors. I don't know why hot dog different vendors, right?
Um, it's one of the the things you expect when you get into this field, but you never really get used to, I guess. >> Does the forced overtime have a rotation so that one individual is constantly not being the the, you know, the dog that has to follow up and and work it all the time because that's what we had to do years ago. This forced overtime is not something new and it's not it's not well appreciated. I can assure you that. Yeah, we have force lists and we have um the deputy tracks everything in in DTS. Um >> that being said, it it >> if someone worked a detail and then they're going into their shift and you didn't work a detail, regardless if you were the last time forced twice, you're up because you can't work more than 17 hours in 24-hour period.