It's >> and that's Mungo Road. Um, they had McGunk Road as a build buildable site location and I >> don't feel that's a a comfortable place to build housing >> especially where the we're uh we're still pumping out Danapple in certain sites and locations off of off of Mungo Road. I just don't think that's a place that we should be thinking about putting housing there. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah, because it was it was in it was in the u it was in their production plan. There was photographs of it was in there. So, >> and it was on their list of a place. >> I I know it was and that's and I >> brought it up then and I'll bring it up again now that I don't think it should be. >> I mean, if that's the last >> if we, you know, the thing is if we make any changes to this, if we want to don't have certain something in it, then it has to planning has to review it as well.
And I think they're scheduled to review it at their next planning board, which is next Thursday. So, >> okay. >> I mean, >> we could probably we could Yeah. >> Oh, they already reviewed and voted. >> They did. >> Okay. >> Well, can we if if I know we have to vote on it tonight. >> I was just wondering if we could make exceptions to the vote that we approve it with certain modifications. I I think so. My my personal perspective is I think we can, but I think if there's changes that we did we haven't discussed before, putting in new changes would be kind of more problematic. >> So, was Munko on the first list the first time we looked at it when when Gold presented to us? I don't think Munko was on it on that first one. >> so when they when the planning board voted on their on this the other night?
Yes. >> Yes, please. >> Did they realize that McGunk Road was >> I don't know about the specifics of the changes that they made, but they did review it. They did vote on it to move forward with the changes that they made at their meeting >> and does keep it going. >> And does this doesn't reflect no their changes does not reflect their changes. >> Okay. So we could also put forward changes and then we can culminate those and make the changes and put that forward. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> so we could make that modification. >> Well, and like that one should do. And I when I was looking through it, I found something where it referenced the ARRA. I think that's another thing that you should. >> We don't have an ARA anymore. So, it was odd that Goldson put that in there.
So, >> that would let go a long time ago. >> Yeah. And um the one question I had on the the the whole parcel thing um site three which talks about the town center >> I think that's the whole farmers market. >> It is >> and we had made that comment last time. I don't know if we I don't know did I don't know if I know Jasmine's on here too so I don't know if >> I think part of it is that prop that parcel as you know Joe was purchased for affordable housing right >> right just like the corner spot. So, as part of a housing production plan, you would put it on there, but then you would evaluate whether or not you're going to actually build something there. But from a perspective of looking at property, right? I mean, the corner spot, I don't think the corner spot was on there, but technically it should be because it's owned by >> if you saw the cut map it >> Oh, was it?
I looked at a couple it showed it. >> So, I think it can be on there, but do we actually think something will get built there? No. But at least >> based on based on how we purchased those pieces of property, it sort of needs to be on there, >> I think. >> No, I I don't disagree with you. My concern was just Munko Road more than anything else. There's no way in my lifetime, especially where Mungo Road has affected well, but the super fund site has affected many, many people in town to the point where, you know, now we think that would be a place to put additional housing. >> So, the only thing the only thing I can think for that and maybe not the whole street, but there's certainly areas on there that would be good for redevelopment for multi-use, right? Like if you look at um where Amry's D, not that I'm I'm not suggesting we get rid of that, but it's certainly something that >> if that was redeveloped, you could still have Amry's dance on the first floor and you could put potentially housing above it because people aren't living there.
So I think that's why that parcel and that whole street. Same with um N what is it? >> Nicholson right right over by McDonald's. Right. That's all industrial right now, but it could become multi-use and that's what some of the zoning is that they're suggesting. >> So I think that's why both of those areas are on the map as part of the production plan. >> Okay. Um just one thing, Beth, do you remember when our other one expires? >> May 19th. May 19th. So, we have a little bit of time, >> a little bit because we do have to send it in for them to also review and they have a period of time >> that's allowed for them to the state to review. Yeah. >> So, >> what worries us is if we get too close to that line, then >> I would hate to see us get get ourselves to a point where we're exposed for a little while.
>> Well, correct. >> Except that with Waverly Street being permitted and one of the other two is about to be permitted. Like, isn't aren't we at our 10% with Waverly being permitted and some of these other projects coming back? >> No. Oh, >> it's not enough. they got to be built. Um, unless unless it's a new comprehensive permit, um, which would you'd get a one-year safe harbor as long as your plan was in effect. >> Um, >> and I think specifically to this, I think we got to be mindful of the expiration date of the old one. >> Um, because we do because with the current one we have that's in effect until May, Waverly does give us safe harbor and so we want to make sure that we maintain that. um by make making sure that we have a good plan. >> I believe last time we asked the question, we wanted to check and I forget how we asked this that >> if we have if we're you know if if we've approved it and it's at the state level and we're waiting for their approval and our current one expires.
>> Yeah. >> You know, is there some kind of grace period? And I believe we were going to check on that if I'm if I remember correctly. I don't know if we specifically said that, but I remember we we were having this discussion at our last meeting that if if we don't get it approved, right, but we've, you know, we've done all the work and we've sent it to the state and we're waiting for the state to give their approval, >> are we okay? >> And once they approve it, it will be retroactive to the date that they got it. >> Right. So, I mean, again, I I don't like that we're this close, but I also want to make sure that if we're going to do it, >> that we we all feel that it's a good plan. >> And here's another thing to think about as you think about how much time you want to spend on this is that it's just a plan.
It's just a recommendation. You don't have to um put everything into effect. And if it's requiring a zoning change, it'll need to go through the planning board as part of a recommendation process in the town meeting. Yes. >> You okay there? >> Yep. Totally fine. >> I don't want to have to do the H. >> No. >> All our all our uh >> all of our public safety. >> They all left. >> Oh, where are they? >> They all left. >> They probably went on a call. >> Yeah. >> Sorry. >> Um >> I was just I was just more concerned about you folks. I can just hear people saying not reading it but they saw like Uncle Ro on there as a potential site. I can just see the you know the >> feedback that we get back from these people. >> What if a potential development made the site cleaner?
>> Would that would that change your >> They're going to put a basement int >> I doubt a basement would go far. >> Yeah. >> I mean I just I just get nervous about it. Yeah, you know, I can understand. I mean, they would have to put paper barriers in. No different than what we're talking about at 10 1060 Main Street. >> Most Exactly. >> So, just I I don't mean to to cut anybody off, but just because it's 20 after 10 and we've still got a full agenda. >> Um >> like do we Is there any other >> But you're going to cut me off. >> I'm going to cut you off anyway. Yeah, I'm tired. I got to go into the city tomorrow. I'm tired. Um and I love you people, but >> No. Nope. We're getting through this stuff. We're getting through it.
Um there there was only one other comment that I had on the on the housing production plan and it kind of relates to a comment that I made last time. So, I just kind of went through and made sure that my comments were kind of incorporated. Um on page 84 of the document, the there's a chart that talks about school enrollment in Ashland. And the headline of the section initially said school enrollment on the rise after years of decline. And now we picked that up before. >> Yeah. And and then now it says school enrollment on the rise after some years of decline. And that chart >> does not and then and the text really doesn't talk about it any real decline. So I think it's not a I just don't I think that that >> you know it's just more like steadily rising or something like that or generally rising >> true AI.
>> So I just I just I just Okay. So So we have to make a determination, right? Because we're not meeting again until >> the middle of April unless we do another unless >> we could do it if we >> Unless we do another meeting, right? >> Yeah. we presume next. >> I think it's important to move this forward >> if if we vote it with, you know, Bry's comment and um certainly the change of the ARRA comment that I saw >> uh to Michael's point right with Muggo, it's just on the plan, right? What we don't need to >> Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, we can vote it with those changes. >> I Okay, I move that we support the housing production plan with the two changes. the one Brandy mentioned about the chart for the school enrollment and the ch the change in the chart from ARRA to whatever is appropriate probably affordable housing.
Um >> that's my that's my motion to approve it with those two changes. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. So these changes were already made prior to right. >> I mean you had that discussion >> right? But it wasn't made. So what happens if it doesn't make the change if the change isn't >> well now it has to if we voted with those two changes then it has to have those changes and then you know whatever the planning board >> put a lot of time and effort into that discussion and it it appears that nobody paid attention >> so >> well fortunately we have both Katherine and Beth here who be Beth is working on this so hopefully it'll finally get incorporated >> I don't have a problem with that. >> Okay. >> All right. So the motion has been made and seconded. All those in favor?
>> I. >> All those opposed passes. >> Okay. Next discussion vote on the proposed in uh person early voting for May 19th, 2026. >> Annual town election to be held Saturday, May 9th, 2026 at 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and during regular business hours. May 11th, 2026 to May 14th, 2026. >> So, and this will be done over the first floor right across from the town clerk's office. >> That's been done before in that area and it seems to work out pretty well. >> So, to me, this is a no-brainer. So, we have to approve it. So, I'll entertain a motion to accept. >> So, moved. Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? I >> I Thank you. And thank you, Cindy. Thank you, Cindy. Thank you, Cindy. >> Thank you for all the work that you've done, kiddo. >> All right. Discuss the uh override language.
And I just lost my page. Thank you. >> With respect to that? >> Anybody had the opportunity to read that uh language? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. Do you see any discrepancies or any changes you would like to have made? >> Pretty straightforward. And this is town council reviewed. >> Okay. That was going to be my next question. >> If it's been reviewed by town council, it's pretty straightforward. >> Okay. So, >> I move that we approve the uh language for the override. >> Is there a second >> question? >> I'll second that. >> All those in favor? >> I >> Okay. Um discuss evaluation form and timeline for the town manager's evaluation. Hey, and and actually before well I I wanted to touch base on this um I'm wondering if we could put this off um at least until after the ballot vote.
Um and um just I I'd like a moment to touch base with each of you before we start uh that process if that's okay. I there's no way I can I can um personally I can really put anything um into this that justify like yeah that would justify it at least at this point in time. Um I would really rather focus on the override and make >> anybody have a problem with that? >> Nope. Oh, I think I think that that >> So, we're gonna push this out to June >> after the Yeah, I um Yeah, that's going to be an issue um in regards to >> the way things are looking, I don't think it's going to >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I can't read the tea leaves, but it way things are shaping up. >> Yeah. >> Right. There's been no indication that the board is going to be changing after the election as of right now.
>> Correct. Um, yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll withdraw that uh item F. >> Okay. a vote to authorize Michael Herbert, town manager, to sign FY26, FY30 uh intermunicipal agreement for participating in the Central Mass Regional Stormwater uh coalition. >> Yeah, I I'll be very brief about this. This has been um a wonderful resource for our storm water uh people. Uh we have a bunch of different people working little pieces of their job as part of it. Um, so this I I would encourage you to authorize this >> and it's $4,000 a year. >> Correct. >> It has to be paid up >> in increments or paid up in full. >> In full. >> Okay. >> Just I'm sorry. I was just going to say like can we just explain what this is for people? What's the benefit? You know, we're talking about this. People probably don't know what this even means.
>> Yeah. So, Central Mass Regional Storm Water Coalition Coalition is um an entity of organiza of municipalities, you know, obviously in the 495 and central um Mass area that pulls resources together to look at storm water um issues on a regional basis. Uh and it's a great place for education. It's a great place to learn uh some of our our best practices. Um again for the funding we we've found that it's a great investment in terms of the knowledge that we get out of it. And so an intermunicable agreement is an agreement between uh municipalities uh that basically say that they will pitch in money and and work on something together and that's what an I what we call an IMA intermissible agreement. >> I I guess I only have one question. So, do we are we expecting the other communities between ourselves and Shrewsbury to participate in this as well?
Because, >> right, >> I mean, I don't see the connection. I mean, I'm not against this, but I'm just trying to understand how it is that we connected with Shrewsbury. >> Um, it's just the just the area, just the regional area. Doug, do you maybe you could offer some I know you've been Yeah. really focus >> great agile >> as the night as the night goes on fresher falling >> fresh I normally I don't have the answers I got the answer on this one >> got it I got it got >> central mass central mass storm water so I think a it started kind of with Holden and Auburn and central mass and and now And then we we jumped in uh I want to say uh I don't know 2018 somewhere around then. It's so I think it's about $4,000 a year. The last year or two the fees actually been waved.
Um what we get out of it is phenomenal. It's great. Uh there's all sorts of sorts of resources that that that that they provide that we're able to use in Ashlin's uh program uh to keep us in compliance with the NIPES program. >> So it's an asset. It's well worth the $4,000. It's a great thing to have. >> So we've been doing this before and we just didn't have an agreement or is this a renewal of the agreement? >> This is a renewal. How long have we been part of this now? around 2018 with >> when we when we created the enterprise fund. >> Yeah. >> It's right around then. >> Yeah. Yeah. You This is not a new thing for you. You've authorized this. If you notice, it's like a fouryear >> four year type of thing. >> I guess you know who >> you don't remember four years ago.