>> That's So there's 200 I wrote it down. 238 IEPs in Greenfield. How many children are not getting because of those positions that aren't filled? That's the issue for me. I mean, that's real, very real. And whether or not those services could be provided by a reading specialist >> versus a special ed teacher is another thing that some districts are doing because it's reading services that the child may need. There's just and you re rewrite them so that >> it's either or. Um, >> so the administration on here, the FPS are five. It says >> it all depends how you count. It's just >> that's not the reality. I mean, it says it's >> 4.6. >> Yeah, that's the original. >> But it says that, >> but you you know the you all know the reality. If you don't, I'll tell you. Right. >> Mel just said that when you talk administrators, what people are always shooting for when they say, "Oh, central office is topheavy." Right.
Um it just makes sense not only for the children but also for the taxpayers. Um and many of us want to build a new elementary school but I don't see that right now. our city. We built a new fire station. We built a new library, uh transportation center. We're still paying for the high school. I think we have to um what right now I feel like we're on the on a cliff and if we don't start looking at all the alternatives, then we're just going to be doing this every year. Um I don't see businesses lined up to come into Greenfield. I hope that does change. I wave at Starbucks every day. Um, so I'm just saying we need to take action and we need to be looking forward to other ways to do our job, which is educate kids. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Member Childs and then myself.
So we'll have a better idea of where we are. But um the recommendation is $110,000 surprise that so we we are bound to make a $200,000 cut. And it's not easy. And when we started this process, 4.1% of our budget comes from um personnel staff and contractual obligations and insurance. So I think um there's never a perfect place to cut, but I think what we found ourselves is is uh we're not going to be able to do this through $5,000 here and $10,000 there. The other thing we have to prepare for is um a budget is up for referendum. A budget can be approved or it can be voted down. And if that is the case, I think we have to be advocates of this budget with the cuts as uncomfortable as they are because uh if the budget fails the next time, it's going to be a more severe cut and that will be the cuts into staff.
So 100 a year, so we're biennium um renewal fees, so 100 a year. And um even with those increases, I'm telling you it is so expensive to conduct the business in other states. Uh right now the other entities like wholesale manufacturers and the miscellaneous permits, I mean in other states it's four or $500 and we're close to 100 or $200. So even with those increases, it still places us towards the bottom of licensure fees. Um what I can say about the workforce data and like I said, Ray can better speak to the questions and the the comments that you had created around the university. We are seeing a lot of gaps in specialty pharmacy practice. So as we're advancing what pharmacists can do across the state, I mean we can be board certified in oncology, geriatrics, infectious disease, all these different positions. It is really, really difficult for us to fill those positions um especially the that have advanced training.
I will stand in support on my written testimony and be happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much. Rachel Wilkinson. Good afternoon, chairs, vice chair, and members of the committees. Rachel Wilkinson on behalf of the Hawaii Association of Health Plans, and we'll stand on our written testimony in support. Thank you. Corey Sanders. Person not here. We had 21 sending in support. Anyone else wishing to testify on House Bill 2159?
So who handles the tier two then? So great question. It may be the RBT at the school supporting these students. >> That I'm sorry to use acronyms of the registered behavior technician. >> Got you. Yes. And so they have such a formal title because we've proudly taken them through the process of becoming certificated in that area. So Yeah. Um okay. So then underneath that role of the BCBAs, right? Um Are you guys cuz I had seen in the slide FBA/PBIS. So are they going to be the ones to develop the FBAs per each tier three child? And then train everyone who interacts with that child on how to actually implement each FBA? That's a great example of something that precisely may end up happening. A FBA is currently also sometimes written by our school psychologist. Um may also support, but these individuals are really highly trained in that.
It's complicated um cuz there's subsidies, there's lots of different things within the system. So I have I'm very hesitant to try to combine any of the data because what's included in the data, if it's different at all, it skews the it skews the numbers a lot. >> And then sorry, no. This this wouldn't This reflects the town expenditures. As we talked about before, if if we are largely we're down 40 positions since over the last eight years. Right. That potentially is up to 40 people who are not on health insurance. Right? So you would think >> Exactly. Yeah. So so if you think about it this way, between FY21, which we peaked at our uh our head count, right? Between that time and FY20- 25, probably at that time I think we're down uh FTEs. So it went up to that with with uh removing uh probably uh 10% of the of the of the force.
generally and you correct me if I'm wrong. You're not talking about secretaries or unit. No, you're talking about administrators. >> The tr the administrators are three. The director and two assistants, right? When you see stuff about the superintendent's office, right? You'll see numbers of three in the superintendent's office. It's me, right? In the superintendent's office. It's it's one administrator. There's a secretary, right? an administrative assistant and a personnel person who happen to be grouped there. You're not probably generally >> it just says one for you, >> right? But then if you look at the assistant or something like that >> personel and administrating assistant, >> you'll see different things because there's another chart you just saw an email over the weekend that showed three, which is wrong. >> There right because you're talking about you're looking for administrators and that's what people are generally and I don't want to say shooting for but they're shooting for people who are making a um you know a decent salary, right?
>> And then member Dman, are you wanting to get back? I just can't see you all the time. Are you wanting to get back on stack at all? I can't hear you, bud. >> Yeah, not at this time, but I'll let you know. >> Thanks. >> Okay. I definitely think we need to put a lot of work this year into coming up with ways to address these long-term problems that we've been slowly creeping to. We're not creeping slowly anymore. So, we definitely do need to do that. um because otherwise next year we're going to run into really bad financial problems. I've got some numbers on those revolving accounts. The current plan reduces the revolving account availability by 31% roughly. Is that accurate? Because that could notes I took at the subcommittee meeting. I could be wrong. Um also we don't have all of the data yet.
That's the only place we can go. So is is board me. We have we have advocate. Kim, do you have a question? >> No, I just going here. Um the final comment I want to make before I move to a motion is um next year it doesn't get any better. We're we're contractually obligated and Jordan will tell you our church is still going to go up 20% next year. So once this budget is over, I'd like to sit down with a small committee and the superintendent to talk about what the vision is our schools going forward over the next several many years because we can't continue to offer as much as we offer as a small district with declining enrollment. So we're going to have to figure out what we want to get really good at and what we're going to have to depart from.
And so as we continue to expand our scope, that's the data that we're also hoping to collect is where can we um localize and where can we position our workforce based off those data. I haven't seen any data about um pharmacist shortages in the state, but we're also like I said, not collecting data. We only have the number of pharmacists per state on each island. So I wouldn't confidently say um in either direction because cuz I don't think the data exists at the moment. Right. And and it doesn't seem to be the demand. Like I said, talking about the pharmacy school and and number of students that you know that is going into it and if the demand is there and I know we built the pharmacy school um at one point where there seemed to have been a shortage and all the other universities also did it and they some of them are doing it cheaper, they're more convenient and therefore our pharmacy school has been lacking as far as students and enrollment.
Hearing none, members, any questions? No questions. Okay, no questions. Uh we'll go right into decision-making. >> [laughter] >> I can roll it over to you. Okay. So, the recommendation by both chairs is that on House Bill 1574 relating to the education loan repayment program, that we defect the if defective date to July 1, 2020 2055 July July 31st, 2055. And um No other amendments. They came for eight. Oh, okay, very good. And the recommendation for EDU, House Bill 1574, House Draft 2, to amend to an SD1 with an effective date of July 31, 2020 2055.
Yes. So yes, you've described it very well. Okay. I would prefer that that the BCBAs write the FBAs. I love our school psychs. But they have the whole school and IEPs and file like they have a full plate already, I think. Um and I think if my my personal opinion is that they should stay on the special education side of the FBA and leave the behavior side or I'm sorry, special education side of the IEPs and 504s and leave the behavior side of that to the FBAs. Cuz they are the ones trained on how to implement and how to train others on how to implement those FBAs. I've seen really good at you can have a really good FBA and not have the people trained very well on implementing them and it it just falls apart. So um When you say reset and refocus, is that is there a time limit on that?
So, that I mean that that's a good observation. So, these are straight expenditures. It's not a per uh it's not a per person or per per per pupil, so. And then we get to those are all our expenditures and now we get to uh funding sources. So, this goes to something we've talked about a bunch in that um answering a couple of different questions like one uh probably if anybody's been listening over the past 8 10 years, we've been saying that this was coming, right? We've been talking the same things, but why now? Right? Why have we been able to make do or do the progress we have in the past uh and we we can no longer do that um and this will help uh tell that story. So, as we know here, so this is uh Chapter 70 funding, so that's the state uh funding for education, our primary source.
They're not shooting for the secretary who support. >> Um, while we're on the topic, because this member go brought it up, I would take it that one of our special education teacher positions got filled because it's no longer on >> Yes, we have >> the website. >> That would be that would be my guess. >> Yeah. So, I could not >> find a position, so I wasn't sure where it was. >> Well, Four Corners still has a position available, but Newton's position would have been filled. So, that means there's two. >> No, got so >> Four Corners is still up here for special education teachers and Newton is not up here for special education teachers. >> I can find you an answer for those, but I know that we have we're in the process of hiring at Four Corners. >> Oh, okay. I know Newton has been vacant since uh 20 >> and we'd love to have somebody there.
Um I wrote down that April 1st is the move in date to let us know what we are responsible for regarding that sped tuition. So that is another driver of the budget where we will have better numbers come April 1st. And uh when people do move into district uh that have these special ed tuition requirements uh something I wrote down from the meeting is nothing is stopping us from using circuit breaker for moveins. So, uh, what is this picture? What do these pieces of information mean? They mean we don't know what the actual costs are going to be for next year yet. I plan on voting in favor of advancing this budget, not because I believe that the schools are going to get 1.7 or cannot do it without 1.7, but because we have to start somewhere in order to get into the weeds and figure out how much Greenfield can afford reasonably to pay and what we can do to maintain our legal obligations to our students and give them a really good experience and education on what we have available.
And um I think that's that's something that we're going to have to do as a board. 20 years ago I I uh as chair I put in a a committee was called the brick by brick committee. We studied every single line up to make sure that we were efficient uh as efficient as we could be. Uh next year we're going to put together a commission committee uh in order to really look at what our schools are going to look like in the future and how we're going to address that because we can't continue to do this. Next year we're coming out 4.1% right out of the gate. Um the town that we heard this cannot sustain increases like this going forward. So having said that, I'll open up one more time for questions. Questions online? All right.
What I can say is that's a trend across the country is that pharmacy enrollment is down trending. Um it is also not very advantageous to practice pharmacy in Hawaii because we haven't had a lot of these progressive measures that are involved in our scope of practice. So students are going to other states because in our sister states like California and Washington, you can write prescriptions for certain initiatives, you can practice at the top of your license. We are not practicing at the top of our license. So we're hoping that this center would take on federal and state funding and finally coordinate some of those initiatives to make the pharmacy profession more progressive and to expand some of the opportunities for pharmacy in the state here. Um I will say anecdotally right now, Kaiser I think has 10 open positions for pharmacy. Queen's had to pull two positions recently because not enough specialty pharmacist supplied.
Uh any questions? Any discussion? Hearing none, chair aye. Thank you. And for House Bill 1894, this is the Braille instructional material. Recommendation is to defect the date also to July 31, 2055. It already has a blank appropriation in it, and any any non-substantive amendments for clarity and consistency.
Or is that based on that individual's need? What I what I'm referring to what I don't want to see happen is we pull a child out for 5 minutes, give them a spinner and send them back to class and they end up having three or four episodes in a day cuz they only got a 5 or 10-minute break. That to me is not reset. Just because the child says they're okay to go back, we are the adults and should be able to look at them and if we're pulling them out a second time because of another episode in that same day, okay, this child is not okay. They may say they're okay, but what's what's going on? So, do you have a time frame in that within your new policy that you're going to be writing or is it just is that something you're going to be looking at?