Um one of the the moratorum for one u might be something that needs to be discussed sooner than later. I do know that um one of the concerns that people had was like um felt like was a roadblock from the board was requiring like the and We we adopted the um language from the NC SAR which was basically like the consumer protection and people felt like it was sort of putting up a roadblock or asking for more accountability but really it was to make sure the things that I was saying that all of the people enrolling in these programs are are doing the due diligence and the EPS are doing their due diligence to notify them of exactly what programs will be accepted in our state and which ones aren't. And so I think a lot of the shifts that um we're hoping to happen are actually happening in the background and um you should be seeing some some changes over the next few months.
Uh the special ed costs are up up the wall. The woman was saying about why do we send so many kids out? Depends what their IEP says. If we cannot accommodate them here, by law, we must send them out. There are parents that come to us and insist that they want their students sent out. We do not send them out. Those parents take us to court in Newark under title 6A. And if we can accommodate them, we and the court says we have to send them out, we have to send them out. We're not above the courts. Um No, you are correct with what that book says, but if they choose to get an advocate and go to court, and the court in Newark tells us we must send them out, we must send them out. We have no choice. I'm sorry my answer didn't fit you, but this is what it is.
If we're ready for a vote, I'll do a roll call vote. Uh Mr. Major, would you vote to rescind the work session? Yes. Mr. Nolan, would you vote to rescind the work session? No. Chair votes no. Ms. Lloyd? Can I make a comment? Am I allowed to do that? Um certainly. I I do think a work session would have been nice as a newer board member. Sessions that we have had have been helpful. I think we work much better when we're collaborative around a table and we can speak freely and openly about policy and other things. Um with that being said and you know, hearing my colleagues discuss the delay, I I don't want to get in the way of collecting information that could potentially support our teachers. I do think that the policy needs some work. Um I do have some comments, but I I certainly don't want to to get in the way of protecting our most valuable assets.
It should be through uh all until all the sight soils are stabilized. So, um, like I think if you just add the word and, uh, I'm sorry, add the word all after completed and all disturbed areas are permanently stabilized. I think that's what you were probably getting at. Um, so just to step back again, um, we're totally fine with the notion of a a monitor. It's, uh, completely standard. They'll provide bi-weekly updates on all the sedimentation and erosion control. What what they're not intended to do is provide a general construction update, construction progress uh report, if you will. Um you know, they're not privy to the construction progress that uh or schedule. Um they're really there to monitor the erosion and control measures, how effective they're being, any issues, addressing any issues, making recommendations to the commission, and so forth. So um so that's just the what we're striking is just the changes in construction schedule progress on construction I guess site grading we could um not sure if that's really part of the scope.
>> Okay. Thank you, Chair. >> Senator Fukunaga, any questions? >> Nope. Thank you. Uh thank you. Thank you very much. Um, we will move on uh to the next GM um GM652 submitting for consideration and confirmation to the Hawaii Teacher Standard Board Gumara nominee Jonathan Gillantine for a term to expire 6:30 2027. And uh I don't have anybody signed up to testify. Is there anyone here wanting to testify on this measure? If not, we're going to ask Jonathan to come forward and we appreciate you being here in person. Thank you. And and I know Katina on being on Mokai could not be here. So, but thank you. So, you're welcome to make any remarks that you >> Thank you. Aloha, Chair Marcato Kim and Vice Chair Hashimoto, members of the committee. Um, it's important to have this opportunity for me to serve my community by representing them as a member of Hawaii Teacher Standards Board.
And again, it was a very hard decision on all of us. No one wanted to do this. But, we're not taking anything away from the kids, whether it's sports, music, or whatever. Thank you. Any other board members? Uh uh just to kind of echo what um Miss Petire said, we did sit in several meetings to go over this budget, and not everybody was there with us to do it. Um this really was the best we can do. I mean, I'm a homeowner. I have children in school here also. So, I mean, I'm I'm affected by it just as much as everyone else. Uh we were even asked to go higher than what we did, but I think what we came to is the most fair thing that we can do for everyone. We can't raise taxes like some districts to a 17, 20, 25% to accommodate uh everything that we get in state aid.
So, yes. I'm sorry. Yes, rescind. The call for a work session. Aye. Yes, and Mr. Shawls? Aye. So, that motion is carried 4-2. Uh Mr. McIver, unless I'm wrong, we're ready for a motion on item 9e, the new agenda item. Correct. And to the extent that you are making edits this evening, those amendments would need to be made to the policy. I I would suggest at a minimum, so House enrolled act at prior to our prior to our last meeting, uh the state legislature was considering uh House enrolled Act 1249. That act had been passed, I believe, at the time of our last meeting by both houses, but hadn't been signed by the governor yet. Uh if I'm getting my timing correct, it has since been signed by the governor. That act repealed entirely the statute that required reporting to the Department of Education. So, that is no longer a thing at all.
Uh but the other components of what the site monitor is there to do we're retaining. Well, I I I it would be useful for the insp the inspector to have a heads up on what grading is coming up in the in the week. Uh so that they know either what to expect or um you know where road controls might be need to be looked at a little more carefully than other areas. Um I think that was the purpose of that. I don't obviously they're not directing construction so they don't really have much say in the the construction sequencing. But I [clears throat] think knowing what's going on. I mean, I've seen construction contractors put out a a a list at the beginning of the week that says what they're going to be doing for the next two or three weeks. I'm I'm sure you're going to have a a heads up schedule that goes out a couple of weeks so you know what they're doing on the site.
I was impressed in both of my interviews about the call for collaboration. Um and I as a teacher I'm retired now but as a teacher I did gain a lot of experience in collaboration in terms of uh various things facilitating professional development joining with other teacher leaders in forging new initiatives conducting and publishing research advocating for teacher leadership and early childhood education in public media and even shifting from a perspective of confrontation with a recalcitant three-year-old year-old in the classroom uh and figuring out a win-win. I was it was very uh satisfying to do that. And no, there's no one I'm not calling anyone a three-year-old in this in this work that I do now. It's just um occupational hazard from my days in the preschool classroom. Uh collaboration serves us well as we seek to fulfill the work of teacher lensure and I kind of did some research.
And uh we don't really want to cut things for the children. I mean, they're here to get educated. A lot of these programs are part of their education. They're not, you know, like free play time. Uh I I think this is the best we can do, and I I stand by my decision on it. Any other public Any other comments? The The only other thing I wanted to say was to the uh the lady from MacArthur Avenue. I may not understand this, you may not. I just want to make sure I reserve all my other comments for later. But, the the 5% is just on the school portion of your taxes, right? So, that's there's city, there's school, and there's county. So, just to again understand, it's not, you know, if your taxes are just for round number 10,000, it's not going up 5% on that 10,000.
Um so, at a minimum, references to that statute, references to submitting uh reports to the DOE, those items should be pulled out. Um I would suggest that you have discussion uh or consider discussion around what constitutes an injury in this item. Um I think Mr. Major's done a a fine job of articulating, I think, the hope of trying to identify those near misses. The challenge with that and with some of the language around things like threats or potential harm is how do we define those? And what what I would encourage the board to put thought into is to try we've had had a couple years of a problem where we had a mandate to report and not clear direction on what it was we were supposed to report. And what I would encourage the board to avoid is creating its own policy that creates a mandate to report without providing clear instruction as to what it is that the administration is supposed to report.
Uh I guess if if we could if the inspector could get that list that would be probably adequate. >> We're okay with including grading um within the scope. I think it's just the idea of just the general construction schedule type um aspect to this report. We just don't want to create the expectation that it's kind of a report about construction progress and it's really >> No, I we don't care about your construction progress and I don't think they will either. But >> but to know that well next week you're paving the road that's going to stabilize the road now. So that's that's a good thing. then we don't have to worry about that eroding anymore. >> I would say uh changes in sight grading uh stabilization or storm water management systems. >> That's fine >> because that's clearly within their >> their area. Yeah, >> I would suggest to the commission if this condition is taking out a report on construction schedule um that a condition elsewhere should be added um for that to be provided to us by the project team just for everybody's safety.
Uh, uh, College of Ed seeks to be a place of learning that sustains a collaborative community. Leeward Community College has a core value relating to collaboration. HSTA strives to collaborate with community to ensure quality public education for Hawaii's youth. The Hawaii Department of Education mentions collaboration in its strategic plan. And of course, OA teacher standards board uh their mission is to collaboratively set high teacher licensing and credentiing standards. And so it's my desire to um bring my ability to collaborate to the context of the work of Hawaii Teacher Standards Board. >> Thank you. And we certainly appreciate your willingness to serve again. Yes. having served on this board uh many years ago and uh certainly times have changed and things have changed. So certainly your background and your experiences can lend to this. Um you've been you've been serving during the interim correctly? >> Yes.
It's going up on the school portion of that. So, you know, I know the 245 or whatever is an unrealistic number, but 550 is a realistic number about in the city overall. So, if you just double it, it's it's about $500 which nobody wants to spend an extra $500 a year. I know I don't. I'm a homeowner. But, that that's a general, you know, guide for for the number that'll be spent. Everything else, I'll save it for another time. Uh I do want to reiterate what he just said. If we can work something out with the council, and we can do shared services, we can save money that way. And that's something when Dr. Tom Cole was talking, uh he mentioned that that's on the works. Hopefully, that the city can work with the Board of Education both ways, so that way we can make sure that we can provide not only the citizens that live here, but the students in this district uh all our efforts in making sure they get what they needed what's what they needed, and what we can we can afford to provide them.
Thank you, Mr. McIver. Um given those comments, is there a motion regarding agenda item 9e? Earlier, I had used the verbiage to make the motion to include the teacher safety policy with the revision of the semi-annual report to the Department of Labor, which is what's required now. So, would that be sufficient for moving forward since I did define those are the two key changes that uh would be in that policy. No longer Department of Education, it's Department of Labor. And the requirement that there be a semi-annual, not annual, report. So, and I'm going to look to Dr. Stallbaum and hope that she jumps in here if necessary. Um the workers' compensation system as is under existing law requires submission uh of reports of certain injuries. If it is an injury that requires minor first aid, a band-aid, an ice pack, and a one-time type thing, a form doesn't get filled out, but beyond that, it does.
If we have to go out and do a storm water inspection or a regular bi-weekly inspection and you guys are doing blasting, we don't want to be out there when you're doing blasting. Um especially if we have to walk onto the site and get to the trailer and potentially if the construction parking is not available, we're walking from somewhere offsite. We want to make sure that we are avoiding the areas where your construction is actively occurring. um so that we're not in anyone's way and everybody is safe. >> Um yeah, we're we're fine with I'm not sure uh the wording or where it would go, but I I think we can accommodate that as a as a condition somewhere. I think we could just add up under administrative conditions that the constru uh weekly or bi-weekly construction schedule will be provided to the commission or its agent.
Yes. For how long now? How many months have you been? >> Um I think when I was excluded the question you had about my attendance uh April last year uh the director of boards boards and commissions uh said that I I could be interim from that point till now. >> So that was what month again? >> That was April. >> So from April till now you've been attending the meetings. Okay. >> Well I I skipped the April one and continued. >> Understand? Um so based on that have you folks have the board discussed openly the moratorum on the apprenticeship? >> Yes and I asked >> I'm sorry not the apprenticeship but the mortorium on the eps. >> Yes. I asked some questions about that. Uh and what I learned was um um just to be clear this still allows initial state approved programs or add fields to continue to submit.
I'm also a homeowner. And I understand the the the pain. But, we have to move forward with making things better. And if that takes some time, well, let's do it gradually. This was a hard decision. This was not an easy decision. This is hours in the taking. And um all I could say we did our best to try to make it as fair as possible, but we wanted to make sure that what you know, that we provided our district with the best education, whatever we can to make sure that we can move forward and not fall back. For the many years that have occurred, we can't it happened already. Now we have to look forward and I get it. These are things that are going to happen. But uh let's hope that the citizens not only when they come to a Board of Education meeting or they go to a city council meeting, they can express themselves like you did and ask them, "How can we make it better?
Some of the reporting around some of the requirements around those reporting is what I believe is going to be changing. I do not know the timing of what the new new report will look like. I think what Mike is referring to is, and we've presented this before to the board, there's a difference between our information only reports, our medical reports, and our indemnity reports. At BCSC, we always send all of our reports to our workers' compensation administrator, a third-party administrator, because we want to document everything. We want to have a healthy reporting culture. And so, the question, what I what I think Mike is questioning, and I would concur, is that to the Department of Labor, that reporting structure has not been defined for us. And so, I can see a world in which we would no longer submit information only reports, and it would be medical and indemnity only, but I don't know if that's what they will determine.
Administrative conditions, this would be a new condition J. Uh h >> how about the spec h how about we provide a construction schedule at the onset of the project and we will notify the condition of any um you know changes to that schedule any meaningful changes to that schedule I don't think the commission necessarily um wants to monitor the weektoe progress of uh construction on the site Yeah, that's going to change and you know it [laughter] >> to the commission. >> It will, but it may it may uh you know I don't if if it's if it's pushed back a month or two months. I think that's something the commission probably wants to know if if with if certain milestones within the construction >> uh time frame are changing, you know, the windows are going to show up 3 weeks later than anticipated. I don't think the, you know, the commission is really looking to monitor that.