Yeah. >> Uh, condition 47 is new language regarding blasting. Um, it's just referring to the blasting activities and ledge removal plan that the ZBA requires to be submitted to the fire department to also be submitted to the commission. There's no review and approval process on this and the only language here is again that approved plans language. Beneath that condition 48, stone box culvert. Um this was a condition added um requiring the stone box culvert which the previously mentioned RCP ties into um to have a structural integrity analysis prior to construction as well as after construction. Um and that the licensed structural engineer who performs that analysis, if they determine any deterioration to be reasonably attributed to the construction activities for that to be repaired and addressed, the applicant has suggested changing that from structural integrity analysis to a visual inspection. >> I I would also add uh to this um that we would I I'm proposing a modification to the language here that we've uh proposed so that the post um inspection be done after any blasting work.
Okay, with that, any questions? Questions? >> Thank you. Thank you for joining us uh online. Um you know and just thank you for your time in meeting with me in my office. Uh that was uh very uh generous of you to give of your time. Uh and there was a few things that you had mentioned in our meeting that to me was very refreshing. One of the statements you had made was uh education has to modernize and that was something that is uh very much a reality of where we are at and also you had said uh now is the time to change what education looks like. So you have a very forwardthinking vision um and I think that that's going to be uh a huge value uh to the board if you um move forward in this process. Uh but let me ask you as far as teacher readiness is concerned um from your experiencing your experience mentoring and uh working training teachers what does classroom ready mean to you and where do you see like the biggest gaps today?
>> Yeah, I would agree. I guess that that could move things too. >> So, I I think we're all talking about, you know, I think we're all talking about the same thing. Uh you'd want to have video photographs taken of the condition of the culvert, have that very well documented in a report. We provide that prior to any work being done and then we provide at provide that at at the end after uh all blasting activity has has uh been completed. >> I would imagine DPW is going to probably be looking for that as well. >> No doubt >> given given the condition of this culvert and >> the culvert's not called out in your CBA blasting. Is that correct? Uh it's not but uh there's a general uh catchall that says any abudding property or structures within 250 ft. The culvert is actually over 500 ft away from what we think will be the closest point uh of any blasting.
Classroom ready right they talk about teaching is as both a science and an art. So I see the science part of it as you know get going through um the EPS and getting your lensure right which is what we all want but if I had to pick between the two for me teaching is more of an art because I can have all of this knowledge in my head but if I can't reach students if I can't build relationships where they trust me to want to learn from me it doesn't matter what I have to say I can just stand up there and talk for the entire hour and 19 minutes and by the end when they leave if someone were to ask them so what did you learn today there's something like I don't know right and and I don't think that that's particularly effective so both of them need each other but if I had to pick one I would say that it's art because I fully believe in um teachers building relationships and I think you and I both talked about right especially in schools like Y and I if they don't like you if they don't trust you if they don't feel like you believe in them and you know you're there for them then they don't care what you want to teach them they're just going to they're they're just they're not going to be ready for it.
So >> um you know it's it's quite a distance away typically you know you're within 200 that pre-blast survey of course it's dependent on the size of the blast. If you have a really large blast, it's a larger area. Uh obviously, um so the blasting contractor will will determine that. But in any event, >> uh regardless for the purpose of this condition, we'll do the the post uh inspection after any blasting. >> I'm good with that. >> Yeah, I think I'm pretty I'm good with this. Um, further moving on, uh, condition 50, request for certificate of compliance. Uh, the commission typically requires the asbuilt plan, um, an engineer letter to show compliance with this order of conditions in addition to the approved plans. The applicant is suggesting just in accordance with the approved plans. I mean, we >> I don't know that we can just go with the approved plans because if you go out there with the approved plan, you don't know that everything is in the same place that it's supposed to be on that plan.
>> Yeah. And thank you for mentioning that particularly. Yes. In my area, uh we have a sub right now that's filling in for one of the teachers and she's a longtime community member. Her family has lived there for generations. And I tell you, those kids, they fall in line. When she walks in and she says listen, they listen. Uh so to me, that creates not just culture, but it creates a relationship that's already grounded in community with culture and with understanding. Um, and I will just preface my my closing remarks with um uh I will brag a little bit that she has great work ethic because her dad was uh principal at Wai High School. Her mom was teacher at Lehoku uh elementary. So uh she is uh she got her grit from Wii. I'll say that. Thank you chair. >> Uh I just want to add uh Daphne, you hit the nail on the head because I don't care how qualified you are and how many times you pass the test.
There's no way just looking around the site with a plan you could you could tell whether things are in the right place or not >> or at the right elevation. Um I would just ask Will Park if he can uh chime in because this is a a representation that the engineer would need to make. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah, I I think it's fine to keep in the the that it's a in accordance with the order of conditions as well. >> I agree. >> Yeah. I mean, we don't >> I don't think we I don't you know, I don't think we want to just to set expectations that we won't be submitting a 50point response to each one of these comments or conditions. um it'll be more general, but um there are things in this in this order that would not necessarily appear on the plans >> through the commission and to the applicant.
If you cannot reach the students, if you can't identify with them and they they don't feel that you care about them, they can't learn. They're not gonna learn. Yeah. They're gonna turn off. So, that's and that's something that I think the board has to keep in mind. >> Question. No question. Davany, we're going to let you go eat. So, you're somebody growling anymore, but thank you for taking the time. And I know the time difference, so appreciate you. >> I appreciate you folks taking the time. Thank you. Good night or good afternoon. Either one. >> It's almost night. No. Okay. Moving on. GM655 is consideration and confirmation for the Hawaii Teacher Standard Board gubernatorial nominee Natasha Nihip Pali for a term to expire 6:3028. And um she is not here. So um members I'm going to recommend uh we defer uh action until such time we can because I've not been able to um Anyway, too bad.
Typically, the affidavit simply states that the engineer has reviewed the site conditions and confirms that all work was done in substantial compliance with the approved plans and order of conditions and leaves it at that. >> Right. the order of conditions legally as a an amendment to the plans on the planning board. I thought we said it was, but I don't know if it is here. But anyway, no, I this is fine. >> Any conditions on the order of conditions typically would supersede um in the event of any conflict with the plans? >> That's good. Okay, we're good with this one. Uh the final section of that um also deleted failure to request the certificate of compliance or extension before expiration of the order of conditions will constitute a violation of the bylaw as the bylaw is waved doesn't apply >> right >> uh storm water conditions most of this is just language things however conditions 53 regarding the construction entrance stabilization um and 54 storm water inlet protection are proposed for removal.
>> Yeah. So, we're going to defer that. And so, we're going to move on to the next GM, which is GM submitting for confirmation to Hawaii Teacher Standard Board nominee Dale Araki to for a term to expire 6:30 2022. And we have Keith Hayashi who's not been present in support. Anybody else wishing to testify on this measure?
These are as the applicant pointed out duplicative of earlier conditions. >> Yep. >> Condition 54, post construction storm water management structures. Um, this typically states that uh no storm water runoff shall be directed to a post construction storm water management structure until written approval is received from the commission. All storm water management systems that include plants shall be fully vegetated before seeking written approval. Um, those last couple lines were removed and it was changed to until the conservation agent has provided written approval. If the commission is comfortable with myself as agent um providing that approval um that can stay. However, I would recommend that the language that storm water management systems that include plantings um should still be fully vegetated um prior to storm water being directed towards them. This would include um any bio retention. >> We used to have a bio retention. We don't have it anymore.
Hearing none. Um, Araki, Arai, please, Dale, you've been waiting patiently, so thank you. >> Thank you. >> And please, you're welcome to make opening remarks. >> Good afternoon, um, chair and vice chair and board members here at the Senate. Um I'm humbled and blessed to have this opportunity um to serve as um on the Hawaii Teacher Standards Board. U my background a little bit um before I I move forward. I grew up on the island of Maui. Um so I I am a neighbor islander that understand um neighbor island things. Um I started my career out in Wii. Um 14 years at Kamali Elementary. So I understand um I was a teacher there. um the the population there and how hard it is um to fill the positions. I was there as a vice principal, served um for about four years or so. uh moved on to W Pahu Elementary um and for seven years as a vice principal and then um given the opportunity to serve at Po Elementary for 10 years and then um unfortunate circumstances allowed me to serve now middle school at corner nako.
So that's why that was. That's that's the only reason why it's not there. It's just not applicable. But >> yeah, they're all underground now, right? Everything >> there is a surface basin, but it's not >> surface. Okay, that's right. >> It's not a bio retention basin. >> I do believe it is vegetated with a wet mix, however, for stabilization. And if storm water was directed into it before that was vegetated, um that sediment may end up clogging. um any outlet pipes for the basin. >> Yeah, we're okay with including vegetated uh with that, you know, retaining it. >> Okay. >> Uh moving on, temporary swailes and settling basins. Um the language here in uh yellow is just uh citing where it is on the site plan um and noting that additional uh swailes and settling basins may be constructed um provided that's not within the wetlands and other requirements.
Um all of these has prepared me. Um I have a wide a wide range of experiences. Um understanding the teacher shortage. Um understanding the process um understanding the collaboration that you folks are are looking for. Um everywhere I went um there are three things. Trust transparency and grit was followed me in everything that I done. um from my father and my mom to the trainings that I provided out at Wii U Pahu and Po and now at Kona Nakoa. Um so that that building that relationship is is the key. Um taking over Kona Nakoa from the sudden passing of Principal Victor. um that showed how much relationships really really is important and it is um one of my priorities uh wherever I go and whatever I serve in is building that relationship. Teaching here in Hawaii um takes a special person to understand the culture, to understand the ethnicities.
Um and then the applicant caught a reference error for environmental monitor and changed it to erosion control monitor. uh 56 compaction prevention. This condition refers, excuse me, uh to roping off and flagging areas where subsurface infiltration systems are to be located. Um as well as being a generic condition that cites other types of storm water structures as well. Um the applicant um revised this language to say the location of the two subsurface infiltration systems uh shall be clearly identified on the surface to prevent compaction by heavy equipment. >> I think the intent's the same. >> Yeah. No, I'm I'm good with that. I You said you were going to be building these early anyway, right? >> Correct. So, they'll be constructed and then and they're under roadway, so you would theoretically be driving on them after the fact anyway, >> right? >> Um, condition 57, just changing con uh the infiltration basin shall not be uh constructed until the entire contributing drainage area stabilized to brought online.
Um and so just the the avenue and the journey that it took me to become a principal was one that wasn't very easy. Um it took many tries to become a principal and it is sometimes the right fit um for the job for the for the for the area. Um so not all the time, you know, you can have all the credentials you want, but if you're not the right fit, um things cannot work, you know. So as a principal you you you look for that talent you look for that fit and um you know as as being a board member here that's something that I would like to make sure that it is there that you know teaching is a profession teaching is um something that we don't want to just take for granted and we want to make sure that we have the best person inside the classroom that can serve but also one that understands Hawaii and understands our our our area.
Um, this goes back to Jean's point that they're being built early on in construction. Uh, condition 58, additional test pits, is an added condition um for an additional deep test pit at subsurface infiltration system 2. This was recommended by GCG. Condition fif uh sorry that was condition 60. condition 61 storm water basin liners was also recommended by GCG. Um GCG's uh suggestion was that uh the installation [clears throat] of the imperous liner to ensure water tightness um and that the shop drawings for that be submitted to be approved by the conservation commission. language was adjusted to be um the project engineer and the conservation commission and the applicant has suggested to change it just to the project engineer. So this is really this, you know, includes things like approving shop drawings, um, you know, detailed constructions of it. Um, so >> we're not in the business to to do that.
So, thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for that. I think you uh said it correctly that it's so important that there's a right fit and even for principles that can understand the community that they serve and the culture uh in that because some of our our areas like Y and I like Kalihi there's some uniqueness you know the the clientele the students come from um public housing and immigrant families and they have different needs than other schools in other parts of the island. So we really appreciate that members question. >> Question. >> Thank you. Uh since you Thank you for being here. Thank you for being in person. Um since tough ones out there uh since you have worked so closely in your experience with teachers. I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit about retention and how maybe um HTSB can be a part of the solution.
>> I agree. >> Um, assuming that language is accepted, um, condition 62, surface detention basin BM. This is another recommendation from GCG um just requiring that the BM be constructed in a way to protect the impermeable clay membrane from in I'm realizing there's a typo there. Um from the installation of the outlet structure pipe or other construction related activities. Um I think Jean you had also mentioned this at a a previous meeting to ensure that the the phasing of that um protects the clay center >> and condition 63 roof runoff collection um was another requirement from GCG or suggested requirement from GCG um requiring the applicant to provide a document specifying the architectural roof runoff collection system according to the watershed subcatchment divides. >> These are new now, right? Because they're yellow. So, are you okay with these? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Uh the next several conditions, which I'm just going to scroll past, do not apply to the project and are shown in red.
What do you think that we can do in that case or >> uh no one solution to it? Um sometimes incentives um you know you try to recruit for me I try to recruit local first and and the the grassroots and grow up um and I and I I think I shared this with um Senator Hashimoto that it depends on where you're at. If I'm at if I'm at currently at corn and aa um you know keeping retention teachers um is not the most easiest thing to do. Um, you know, you try to make sure one, you build that relationship with with with your teachers there and and you build a culture and so try to retain them is is is understanding the situation, understanding where you are. And so each area is different, you know, and the incentive although it has to go across the board there, like like previous people have said, it's not a one-sizefitit all and what works at Kona Nako may not work at Kamali or may not work at W I Inter um you know, it may not work at Dole or Kalakawa.