>> Nay. One, two, three. Okay, so it's three, three. So, we are staying at an ad hoc committee. >> Correct. So, it's five, bells. >> So, >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion I'll make a motion to form a special education standing subcommittee of the board. >> Second. >> Did we make the motion now? >> She Yeah, she made the motion.
I mean, there are other kinds of I think the team, and I would ask the board some time, you know, it doesn't have to be a long time, but to engage in how do you prepare for those things that aren't on the agenda? That aren't in a cyclical manner. There may be new topics that come up. As you saw tonight, the presentation that our awesome curriculum team did from the high schools, right? So, they have now a rhythm that we established as part of the strategic plan that we are now thinking through. And so, what does it look like to come to that informational meeting or to I mean, to that meeting for the committee of the whole? What's the on-ramp of expectation the board has for when you're coming to that committee of the whole? That's not where you should be asking questions. The questions should be asked 2 months in advance to like, "Okay, here are the kinds of things we're going to be bringing." So, I just think it requires a little bit more forward thinking and planning um around what are the kinds of engagements that So, when it comes to the committee of the whole, you're not going 1 month you're not going to delay a project 2 months because it has to be vetted appropriately.
has 686. So that's below the 700 that we've talked about in the past. >> I I also feel like we have come to the place that we are with our 2030 plans very thoughtfully with a lot of data recognizing Mr. Major you are not supportive but I'm ready to move forward with item 7F. So I guess if there's a motion to table we can vote on that but we've already made a motion to approve 7F. So, I guess we may need some counsel on what we do clarify Mr. Major's comments. At the beginning, I heard Mr. Major explaining his thoughts, but then I think at the end, he is expressing that as a motion. I personally would like to have more discussion around it. If ultimately the vote is going to be yes and it's going to be tonight 5 to one, it'll probably be five or six to one later on anyway.
Um any discussion on this? >> I guess my my question there really is I I don't know all the specific rules and regulations around participation in a subcommittee meeting, right? So, if there's a parent attending in the audience and they want to speak during the subcommittee meeting, is that allowed? >> No, so the subcommittee would invite that parent into the meeting as part of the meeting. So, the subcommittee would say, "Okay, we're going to have this meeting on Tuesday. We would like this 12 people that we have designated as our consultants, advisors. We invite them into the meeting to participate in that meeting." Parents in the audience, it would have to have a public comment so people could public comment. Um But it would function just like a regular subcommittee. So, you would have an agenda. We would have people come whatever the top whatever the agenda is on is how it would how it proceed.
So, does that make sense? Like, that I think is why there's a default of oh, no, we need two meetings a month because if a question comes up that stalls our work and I'm not coming back for a month and a half later, people are going to be like, "How are we going to get work done?" I think there's a advantage to start to think differently about the pace of these things. Let's Let us do more forecasting, right? So, we're not being What's the word? Um We move out of a reactive and much more planned. Something to think about, yeah. I have one other consideration. I don't know um I don't know if I we talked about this at one point or I had a conversation with someone else about it, but I know um when we had our election and we sat new board members, Mhm.
So, I know I voted yes for this in the past, but in the last 6 to 8 months, we've heard that the belt is tightening in Indianapolis. And I think that it just makes sense for us to really take a good look at and have a really strong conversation about how we're spending our money. We're not we're not necessarily going to get more money. The state has already said that. Unless we talked about local income tax earlier. That's why city council, county council, and BCSSE talking together might be able to help address how that works >> procedurally. Mike, how do we move forward? >> Again, I think my question is just to be clear, are you making a motion? There's been a motion to approve in a second. There can be a subsidiary motion much the way we sometimes amend things that that are pending.
There would be minutes. Whoever that So, a member of the board has to then create the agenda and take minutes and then report those minutes out after. So, just the way the subcommittee is functioning right now. Does that make sense? You still seem like you're not sure. >> I know. I guess I'm still struggling. I'm sorry. I >> It's okay. >> I am still struggling because again going back to the point of we want full participation, but we want structure. So, I But in what form? >> And And I And I understand that. >> committee doesn't have structure. >> Yeah, formalize structure. >> For formalize structure, right? Formalize structure. We can invoke structure in it, right? >> But if they're meeting with the superintendent then it's the structure is that they're they're an advisory committee of the superintendent who's meeting with the superintendent and the structure is here's what our meeting is going to be about.
um is there a consideration to make that just one short board meeting where you the outgoing people go and then you sit the new people and then kind of the meeting's over. You know what I mean? It's just a purely business meeting. >> Yeah, like a so like a yeah, a business/celebration as new board members get set. Is that noted or I'm just trying to remember. I don't I don't know exactly where it was put. >> up on this calendar. Well, it would be a board meeting though, so it would have to show up on the board calendar when you cuz when you seat your new when you guys were sat, that has to be in a board meeting. of education meeting. But it could be half hour meeting. You know what I mean? Teresa serves on I have the IASB or area. Huh? Yeah, it has to be within so many days after the certified election, you have to choose to seat.
Is there a motion? >> I I'll make a motion to table this >> and then the question >> of additional discussion >> and then the question would be is there a second for that motion >> section a second to the motion to table? >> I have a question for uh Dr. Boseman pending approval. Can we still have a discussion regarding elementary school in Mount Healthy and still not be forged in the fire towards $18 million? What you have in front of you tonight is to approve the guarantee maximum price of the project, which would then execute the contract and get that work started. Does that answer your question? >> Yes. >> We've got a motion to put this item on the table. Is there a second? >> There's a motion to >> If there's not, I'm not going to be offended. >> You're not going to offend me now.
What do you think on this? How like it's still feedback they're still he's still producing a agenda there's still a >> I mean I'm also a proponent of try something and then evaluate it. So but if the superintendent is asking for an advisory committee why wouldn't we try that first? >> I guess that's where I'm going to go with that. Yes, I mean fine like I agree like you know without having better subject matter expertise in how to best run and participate in this um you know >> So you'd like to re-vote on that so you can resend that in a minute. But what do I have to say about that? >> have to yeah we have a motion on the table for Joey. >> comfortable with the conversation do you have more questions about it being a subcommittee cuz that's the current motion. >> [cough and clears throat] >> No I guess like I said I I struggle with the ability to actively participate in in those >> forums.
So, depending on where that fell in your meeting calendar, yeah. Yeah, I see. The existing ones are add one. I think it's 45 days after certified election or something like that. I have to double check the the numbers, but I'm just trying to think about being strategic cuz I know those um meetings have been long, also celebratory, and then new board members are there and they're all of a sudden voting on things. And things, [laughter] yeah. Uh and so that always felt like a little odd. Um so, I don't know if that's a good you know, a consideration. [clears throat] >> research, but I mean but we weren't I mean we weren't like >> No, I mean I was yeah. And then you had to be sat and then you started taking votes. >> Right. You know, when the information was there. >> And then you had to be sat and then you started taking votes.
>> Is >> go ahead. >> Without a second, does that motion die? >> Correct. So, you're considering the motion to approve in the second. go back to considering the motion to approve item 7F at this point and we're open for discussion and questions hearing none. I'll move to the vote. Uh Mr. Glick, how do you vote on item 7F? >> I. >> Miss Lloyd, your vote. >> I >> chair votes I. Mr. Nan, your vote. >> I. >> Mr. Major, your vote. >> No. And Miss Wielen, how do you vote tonight? >> I >> So I believe that is five votes in favor and one vote against. Uh the motion carries. >> Dr. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> You bet. Uh Dr. Stalbone. >> Yes. Thank you. >> We have some human resource recommendations this evening. >> Of course. The 19 human resources recommendations consist of four retirements, eight resignations, two appointments, four administrative transfers, and one leave of absence.
>> And I get that but if you look at our security subcommittee you had eight nine people sitting on it. >> Which we already determined though that we thought was we thought that was an ad hoc committee that became a subcommittee incorrectly. So we already know that committee did not function correctly. We made that mistake we acknowledged that and we dissolved it for that reason. So so outside of that I guess Aaron though my struggle is like if we have these 12 open spots right but we have 20 other parents show up they can't participate in the meeting. >> Not in a subcommittee meeting no. >> I I guess that's >> But I mean you're going to have an agenda like what you're talking about. I mean look at this point it doesn't matter it's going to be like Sefton and it's all going to fall apart.
>> Yes. So, I'm what I'm advocating for is like maybe a half hour meeting where the transition happens. Yeah. Right, so that you can get the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. It would I think be a nicer Just like a more effective on-ramp, honestly, because you know, I mean, especially like Teresa said, it's within however many days of the election, which is kind of a crazy time, and then and then as soon as that's over, you're like, "Okay." And I mean, it's it's just a lot to catch up on all at once, and then to have that chaos and then to vote when like essentially for the first time in this role is like that. So, yeah. Overwhelmed. >> I was just going to say overwhelmed. Um >> we did good. We didn't There were no days. Like, we knew what to say.
There are no additional personnel recommendations this evening. I request that you please approve items 8 A and B as presented. >> You've heard the recommendation from Dr. Stalbum. Is there a motion to approve? >> I move to approve a item 8 A and B as presented tonight. Thank you, Miss Wen. And thank you for the second, Mr. Major.
>> Steven yes sir Mr. Freeze. >> Um >> This is all right. I just want to ask a technical question. It actually has nothing to do with the great rich conversation that we're having other than technically I just want to make sure we're in compliance. It says we're going to talk about this is a special meeting. Right? So, we're talking about special >> We're only talking about it being an advisory. >> Sorry. Special education ad hoc verse advisory committee possibility. I just want to make sure we're in compliance if we're talking about it being something else now. And And if we're not, we just need to reserve it for another meeting and and just stay in compliance and just finish this. And if this ends the way it ended, I mean, that's okay, too. I just I'd rather be in compliance tonight >> thoughts. >> and and readdress it when we we need to.
I think we did good. >> [laughter] >> I mean, there were like three options, so for that reason. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Um So, it sounds like what we're saying is maybe consider what a committee of the whole type of schedule might look like if it's feasible. Um and either reducing or completely eliminating committees. Well, committees would shift into a different form. Committee meetings would shift to a committee of the whole, which should have allowed >> No, no, I I No, I get that. I'm just I just think it's just a small shift. So, we could just even start by looking at a couple months, maybe. I don't know. I don't know if That's good. >> Well, and Ravel's even suggesting how do we just maybe have one or two less meetings in the year. So, what what what would work? Um and Sounds like Brandon's got a You're already on third.
Any questions for Dr. Stalbomb? >> Dr. Stalbomb. If I don't approve this, does that change any of the resignations that came across in that document? >> Okay. Well, I don't know how that changes my decision here. I would like to point out uh we get a detailed view of of resignations etc. Um and as Dr. Boseman pointed out we are looking hard at attrition and I noticed there were three roles there that were not being backfilled. So I just want to acknowledge we're seeing that coming across and that was represented in the finances. I also recognize that that means that we have people in our school board or I'm sorry in our school system who are doing more with less and that can often be tough. on on the people working for us. So, I just want to thank everyone for being open-minded and working with us in in a difficult time from a budgeting perspective.
So, >> So, I'm sorry. Joyce motion, Mrs. Farias, for that reminder. >> I got to resend my I have to resend my motion. >> Okay. >> So, so being on the losing side of that vote, I would like to resend this? No. Shoot. >> I resended my motion. >> Reconsider. I'd like to reconsider the motion and revote on making the >> Wait. Oh. Can we do that? >> Yeah, because I I'm on the losing side of the If Carolyn if we had just had a discussion where we are Carolyn, you're reconsidering, right? And you're supporting the advisory committee. If not, then I won't resend it or I won't reconsider. >> Why don't we just talk about the next meeting? >> Do you want to talk about it at the next meeting? >> voted. I don't >> Yeah, we already decided we're going >> revote >> You could talk about the next meeting.
Thank you, Brian. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> that. Any other? Um, everyone's good I mean, we're not voting now, but I just want feedback. Everyone's um okay with Mondays and a 5:30 closed session. It seems to have been working. Yes. It has been. And um Sorry, the other takeaway is to consider adding another day um for swearing in. So. Or I guess the other option would be like really strategic about that one meeting whenever you're going to swear, whenever we swear people in. Anyways. I think I know what One one step at a time. That would be that would be a a nice first step. But we don't Yeah, we don't need to have to deal with that. The upcoming year is the following year. That would be the next year. Yeah, I want to change that. I'm thinking it's the beginning of the year.