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It would be around July 25th to July 31st most likely for those dates. >> Can you scroll back to the I think it would be I think right now go up though. >> July. >> So, we can see July. So, I think right now we're coming back. >> That's 27 28. >> First day of school is July 27th. >> Yep. And so if we gave ourselves three extra days of summer, we wouldn't come back until August 2nd. >> Well, it would be it would be right now July 30th probably. So we would have to start looking at that. What I would propose is probably then give off maybe starting on a Friday probably isn't the the best thing for students and staff. So then you might look at giving another day such as after Easter or something and you would start on a Thursday. There have been times we've started on a Thursday.
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So this way you would start on and this Thursday July 29th um trying to find another day to get down to the Monday August 2nd I think would be hard. You we don't really have any other days off um on that calendar. So it would probably theoretically just looking at this off the cuff would probably be most likely moving from the 27th to the 29th with the split fall break. >> Right. And thank you. And I I think some of my concerns are, you know, we we've gone through the stakeholder process, had the work study, and we've had great results from it. I I do think we, you know, we should look at different options and see how that works. Um, but I I do believe if we did something new, we would have to send out a new uh survey. And I'm curious how what that engagement would look like, as well as confusing those parents.
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I don't want them to be confused about getting another survey after they, you know, we already got the results back from from this current one. Um, and so those are those are my thoughts. >> Can I speak to that? And and as I'm sitting here thinking about this, if if you guys decided to go in a different route and you wanted a different option and you wanted us to look at that, um, I I would truly, even though I think we're up against a bit of a timeline, I would not reservey until kids and families came back to school for at least a month next year. That way you have a captive audience and you can get some good data and that gives uh staff time to configure whatever your thoughts are on what calendar should look like uh to be able to go back out and and get a true um feeling for what our employees and our uh families have to think about what these options are.
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So, I I don't know. I I I I tend to disagree on on the need to go go back out and reservey in this case. Uh because we're still we're still giving them essentially a 22. And so that's what that's what they voted for or well that's what they that's what the that's what this how the survey results came back. And the other thing I'll bring up is it it was a survey. It wasn't a it wasn't a stakeholder vote. We're the ones that vote. It was just a survey. And so we can I I think by doing something like what Miss Murray's suggesting is like I said, we're respecting the results of the survey by not doing something like going completely off, you know, and doing a 121, but we're respecting the results of the survey by doing essentially a one 122. Um, and so I don't think in this case if we approved a different schedule for one year, we wouldn't need to go back and do another survey.
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>> My my only thoughts on that is, you know, they did vote on these specific calendars. You know, there they they did survey on these specific ones. Um, and so, you know, again, I think we should have a conversations about what's working for other districts and those different options, but we've already presented this to our parents >> to speak. Um, first off, I think that, um, we are, I would say, a cruise ship. We are going full steam ahead and if we're going to make a change, it needs to be done thoughtfully, intentionally, and with due process so that the community voice can be heard. Um, just personally, um, just personally, I lived in Chandler before I moved to Gilbert, so I had experience with the 22 calendar and I was not a fan. It wasn't something that worked well for my family, but the community the first time it came to us um when we started to talk about this schedule was that the um staff were 65% for the community was 48% four.
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So they they weren't on board. So at that time we didn't vote to adopt this this calendar. The next year um after another survey the staff was up to about 85% and the community was over half over half wanted the 222 calendar. And so I think that while we do vote community engagement is a huge part of what we do. We want to be transparent and accountable to our community. And so if we send out a survey, that is their opportunity to give input. They can take the survey. And if we brush that aside, um I'm concerned that this the community won't feel like they have been heard in their survey results because I don't there's not another way to get their voice. I mean, I think we've done as much as we can to get their voice. We've we've used the committees that we have, which because there's a person on that committee that represents each school, that's about 40 people per committee and that's 160 people from the community that have weighed in.
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Um, so I think that it's I do think surveys are very important. I think it's really important because we are public schools to listen to the community voice and um my suggestion is we if we want a different calendar um we adopt the calendars that we have tonight and then we investigate those calendar changes for the future because the community has already weighed in on this. The community has weighed in for these three years. So if we want to discuss different options for the different years afterwards, I think that's great. But I I think we need to value our community's input that's already been given. And if we're going to change something, we need to go through the same process and get their input again. So if you I I would recommend adoption as it is and then discuss those options for a future adoption.
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But um I I just think we can't make those decisions um willy-nilly on the dis as just decide okay I looked at this >> not willy-nilly because >> this this option wasn't an option. That's that's the problem that I right it it was something that Mesa kind of threw out and I went huh that's pretty interesting I should look into this >> and they probably studied >> I think looking at the looking at the information and the facts things like the fact that you call they called what's it called snowball effect is what they called it basically if a kid misses one day of school just one now they're already behind because they're learning new material and they're having who learn the material they missed on on their own. So when kids miss Monday, Tuesday for Thanksgiving and then spend a week off and then come back, they're at a deficit.
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So, I can appreciate the process and I'm I I hear you about getting public input because we are serving the community, but at the same time, if something came up that could be a better option and looks like for the students would be a better option for sports, for academics, for attendance, like why would we wait three years to revisit that? because we I think again I think we've taken the community pulse we've taken the survey and this is what the community said they wanted. So in order to make a change I think we need to have discussion we need to have looking at different options and get input and I would say that would take at least several months. I know that uh Dr. Martin has put a lot of time into the development of these calendars. So, I think it's an option for the future, but I think being consistent and staying on course is really important to building our trust in the community.
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So, I if I can weigh in real quick, I I the the implication that not adopting tonight's as presented calendar would be something that any of us would do willy-nilly, I think, is not an accurate um implication. I don't think any of us are taking this I think all of us are taking this seriously and so I think assuming that we're just being willy-nilly about this is not is not fair and I also think that >> my apologies for that adjective then >> I also think that yeah I I agree to some extent that we are to use your analogy a large a large ship but that doesn't mean that we should keep if we see something if we see a hazard ahead. That doesn't mean we should just head for the hazard because that's what's that's what we talked about three years ago. And so I think we can make changes sooner than that.
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So I'll I'll ask Dr. McCord. you had suggested that if we do want to look at something different than the two calendars that were presented, you think that doing a survey would be a good idea and you think that we should do that sometime after the first month of next school year. So, is it an option to table this and come up with a new calendar and give us time, give us a district, us board members a a chance over the summer in that first month of school to uh to study this and then present it to the parents as an option. I I think that at at this point in this stage in the school year, that would probably in my opinion, I'm I'm definitely not an expert, but I think it would be the best way to, like I said before, have a captive audience to be able to get uh true feedback that will inform your decision.
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I'd like to add a couple of things you might consider because we do have several families that are asking about when does the first day of school start for 2027 cuz they do plan their summers one year out now. And so you could consider doing the 2728 calendar approving that as is and then in the fall as Dr. McCord said we could research then for the 28 29 2930 and beyond uh this other calendar proposal. A couple of things that wouldn't change a whole lot with sports on that as well because the would change uh would be similar to the start date maybe a couple of days. The one thing too I just want to remind everybody is right now on the 222, we do have the secondary inter sessions that are happening at fall break and spring break where we have now anywhere from 350 to 400 students that are getting grade enhancement and I don't see right now that that would happen with a oneweek uh fall break.
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So just something to throw out there um because it is something that has grown over the last three years. We've had a couple of school districts ask us about just how we're working this with grade enhancement at our secondary schools, too. So, couple of thoughts there. >> Well, that that kind of stepped on my comment. So, um I was just going to say I don't think this is really that big of a change, but but I do think that that in that way that is a big change. I guess I I would just disagree with with the notion that this is a huge change or that we're we're not like turning around a cruise ship or or anything like that. I I just think all those metaphors miss the mark. Like this is a tweak and it if if we had had both calendars and went out and asked community input and community had chosen you know this versus this then then yeah I but the fact that we asked 222 versus 121 and quite frankly I think people in general just chose 222 not versus 121.
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They didn't open up the calendar and look at all the dates. And I think they were choosing in theory a calendar. When they actually went and clicked on the vote, it didn't have the calendar. It had 222. It had 121 where they were actually voting on on the clicking the button. So I I I I actually think philosophically this this isn't that big of a change to where we would need to go back out and survey again. Um, I mean, I I don't know that we have the ability or or the appetite to pull up the Mesa calendar and look at it um tonight. Um, but I would be interested to see again, you're you're really talking about and and what I would say is if we're considering this and we want to have a serious discussion about this that I I I don't want to kick the can further down the road, like if we think this is a good option or at least something we want to explore, I' I'd rather we're already talking a year out.
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I I'd rather not talk about it two years out. And so I think we can not take a vote, but I think we can just let people know school will start sometime between July 27th and July 29th in 2027, whichever of these calendars, you know, we approve and then I think we should just move expeditiously to fill out the difference between these two calendars and and decide which way we want to go. But I I do think that whichever calendar we do decide, it would be somewhere between the 27th and 29th that we'd be starting school. And so I don't know how big of an impact that would have on on vacation plans. Um the other thing I I will say is is is again we we didn't ask about the week of fall and the week of Thanksgiving and they chose something different. So, I I don't agree that this is not listening to vote to the vote the the voters to to our families and those who filled out the survey and Mesa, which a large part of our district is in Mesa, did a huge a huge survey and and they chose this, right?
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And so, I think this option has has been surveyed. It hasn't been surveyed by our families and and so I understand that, but it's it's not some new idea that's never been looked at. Like Mesa just did a huge study and and a committee where they looked at this and they chose this and and looking at kind of the feedback they got. It was mixed between, hey, wanting the one 121 option and wanting this option. And people chose the one week fall, one week Thanksgiving, two weeks winter, two weeks spring. and all the feedback from the people, no one, none of the feedback that I saw and I went through Instagram comments and Facebook comments and no one said, "Hey, I wish we had two weeks of fall." Like people either loved the onee fall, one week Thanksgiving 22, or people said, "I wish we would stick with the one 121." But I didn't see a single comment that said, "Why aren't we doing two weeks fall?" So, I I do think that this idea has been has been surveyed has been surveyed with our neighbors.
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Um, and so I I don't think we need to go back out. Um, and I think it's something we should table for tonight, but I I don't I don't think it would be too soon if um people want to look at the options to bring it back at the next meeting or a June meeting and vote on it. So, there's a motion on the table right now. Um, we can vote on that motion and then depending based on the results of that, then we could make another motion um to table if it gets that far. >> I move that we table. So, I think we need to vote on the previous motion for >> No, we need to we we need to move we need to amend it that we're tableabling. >> Oh, so you're you made a motion Dr. Robson made a motion to amend the motion and table this?
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Do we have to specify we're tableabling it till when? >> No. >> Okay. I I Okay. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. some discussion real quick on that. If we're going to table this, I agree that we should do it as soon as possible. We should discuss this as soon as possible and might even mean um a special meeting. >> I I don't think that's necessary. I guess what I'm looking for is if we go down that road, we need clear direction on what you want us to bring back to you when it's on the agenda again. So, my assumption is is that you would like a the calendars we presented this evening and another option that uh mirrors what Mace Public Schools is doing. >> Yes. >> Okay. And what data would you like because I think Dr. Martin provided some data related to attendance to you today.
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Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh we'll acquire we'll try to acquire whatever I I I I can't compare Mesa's attendance rates to Gilbert's attendance rate. Two different school districts, two different communities. So, I'll just give you uh the attendance rates as a board that Dr. Martin provided for you today so you can see those things. Is that sufficient? >> Yes. >> Okay. And we would plan to come back and I I would say we'd be we'd either do this probably at the um because I think you I if if that's the case, I would believe you would want public comment on this. Is that correct? So instead of having it at a work study, I would suggest having at May 12th or at the June the end of the last meeting in June. >> Yes. But public comment at a at a board meeting.
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>> Yeah, that's what I mean. >> And chance for people to >> give their input and email us. Um, but I don't need to survey. I mean, I just I want I just want to know what parameters we're working in here just so you guys understand when it's coming back and what you can expect when it comes back. >> Okay. Thank you for that. >> So, so let me clarify. Um, so what you want is that we would be voting on this in June and people could give us feedback, but we're not going to survey and have we're not sending out a survey to say, do you prefer this 222 calendar or this 222 calendar? >> That would that would be my understanding. So, what I would bring back and what I would say would probably be at the end of June is this current calendar we're presenting this evening for those three years as well as a calendar that looks very similar to MESA uh with no survey results, just bringing them forth to the board and then you guys make the decision moving forward >> after they have the opportunity to do public comment.
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