we have to cross some of that bridge when we get there we do have the possibility of of correct me if i'm wrong here carlos there there is some action we can take if there are things that we are of like mind uh in in and and then we can isolate uh both around around other specific um aspects of this of this boat you could certainly break out these motions can i please ask are we going to be talking about model 3 as as promotioning right well so based off of the motion and vote that took place to rescind the vote from the 20 from december 21st we are now at the place where um there is no currently there is no model that that is necessarily in front of us to there's there's um there's open there's open discussion for for what um what course of action to take so first we need to rescind and then we bring a model oh so we already rescinded and so now that we've now that we've already rescinded um we would we would look at what model we would bring so i think we've done a lot of discussion and i think it's just the point where we have to start taking votes and let's see where the chips like i'm not sure i'd like to hear latasha's answer okay okay almost there sorry okay that's all right i'm sorry were you going to say something to rina i i well you're not going to take up too much air time but board member honest i think as you well know as a seasoned um at least with a couple more years of elected official experience that our words do matter and our choice of words do matter so i hear you say that you're not insinuating but i think to some it felt like you did so i want to be clear that it's not my expectation that any of us would be personally financially benefiting from any decision that the district made and i i wouldn't think that that would come from you or you or anybody i would just like to make it clear if we could if we could let board member go ahead and then i'll respond and i think that um so i'm not sure why you made that comment um because i only have the best intentions of my colleagues i've not seen any behavior to make me question someone's intentions or motives or um violations of the brown act um certainly if i had a very deep-seated concern i would bring it to board president or i'd bring it to superintendent ortega based on our board bylaws and policies i i want to share that with you because we our words do matter my word you know i'm going to have to live and die by what i say and what i do as well and i just want i think i i'm sorry i was next no i don't think so no i was next so i'm gonna go ahead and speak so board member beau is sitting here telling me that words matter i'm not done i'm gonna let you finish but i would ask that you please keep i'm gonna ask that you please keep your comment brief so that we can that's that's fine you and i need to have a conversation about that so but that's for another day but if the shoe fits you're gonna wear it i wasn't talking about us i was talking about those people that are watching this right now okay that's that's it all right like don't come after us i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna move the conversation forward so we can so we can remain focused on on the uh i love how you roll your eyes i did not roll my eyes i did not i'm gonna ask i'm gonna ask my colleagues i'm gonna ask my colleagues to please refrain from um let's move on let's put a pause this is something that could be reserved for a governance meeting and let's let's move on we are here to do work there are people who are here who are still here and it's 1009.
this is our hourly and at will employees we will be buying back their two sick days at 10 cents an hour that equates to approximately 208 dollars and 80 cents for the year um or or whichever is greater the buyback rate of 65.50 for the eight hour day at two for 131 dollars they are also eligible for a two percent um increase remembering that this year each of our hourly support network employees received a dollar fifty that's ongoing into next year's wages and that increase equated between a four and a twelve point six percent increase this year depending upon where they were at in the pay scale and what grade they were on in addition um that was in exchange for that three percent piece for next year and this last one we're excited to hopefully be approved this evening a retention and recruitment stipend for our all employee groups at a flat rate of fifteen hundred dollars utilizing the funds as listed there and this will be for all employees who have signed their contract by the site of their by the start of their precision's contract work year we are hopeful that we will be paying this out in um two different payments at 750 each one in the fall one in the spring and they have to complete their entire work year in order to receive this stipend even though we're paying it out if somebody were to be not complete their contract so to speak then business services and otm would work together in order to recoup that cost that's it for me i'll pass it back over to bonnie and lester or miss bass unless there's any questions for me all of everything that he presented is basically uh 9.03 through 9.08 correct okay um so for fiscal year 2023 the understood capital budget um just wanted to update you on that of course the governor's budget did confirm that that the unrestricted capital of the district additional assistance is fully funded so these are the dollar amounts per prior year adm again this is prior year adm so we are updating this to reflect the adm growth in 2022 so looking at the budget capacity comparison so we do anticipate um a little bit like there's a half a million dollar increase due to our growth in students and the same thing with the textbook allocation a little bit more money the budget balance carry forward we we do anticipate having about the same amount of the budget balance carry forward but you can see that our total budget limit from the streets of capital is a little bit more than a million dollars over what we had in the current year please remember as well that we should be closing soon on the neely property which will provide us an additional 6.5 to 6.7 million dollars after closing costs are taken out um to be used for unrestricted capital purposes for next year or the year after so there there will be um quite a few unrestricted capital resources available to gilbert public schools next year ms bets i do have one question about district additional assistance and which was fully restored to the levels we had in 2009 is that correct there's no inflation on that that's correct which is different than the chartered charter school additional assistance they do receive inflationary increases each year yes all right thank you so risks and opportunities so there's always risks and there's always opportunities in any projection so risks we could have a greater loss of students in the current year than than realized to date we are monitoring that closely we do expect that adm will decrease not substantially though maybe 20 to 25 students through the end of 2022 um so the budget balance carry forward and eminent override amounts could be less that we were planning on going for the 2023 school year uh use of one-time funds even though we believe that we've gotten that down to just a million dollars and um but there's there's still adequate one-time monies available but as always every time you use one-time moneys it does impact your future flexibility the legislature decreases decreases the funding level we don't believe that will happen it could always happen but generally speaking since i have been here in gilbert public schools the governor's budget has been the worst case scenario so i feel fairly positive that the legislature will not impose a decrease in funding and then classroom site fund revenue decreases again jlbc should be providing that to us soon it could go down we do not anticipate that though sales tax revenues are up the economy is up here in the state of arizona we do believe that that we will receive more money in classroom site than we received in the prior year so proposal opportunities the legislature could increase that base level amount by three or four percent instead of the two percent that the governor is proposing of course we already talked about the budget balance carry forward we do anticipate will increase over what we've projected and as we have seen last year and in 2020 we have seen increases in students going and coming back into gilroy public schools and that could happen in 2023 as well so all those things we're monitoring closely i have one question about the inflation amount because it was under my understanding that that is under i think it's prop one two three and that it's inflation up to two percent i assume the legislature and the governor can give more if they wish but that's correct it's in the classroom site fund it's in classroom site fund okay all right thank you and that's it if you have any questions sean and i are here to answer any of them you might have dr santa cruz president wood thank you miss betts once again would just like to recognize and compliment dr mccord you and your team the notice that you sent us last week helped to really clarify and prepare us for this presentation and it was quite in line with what you've presented tonight and it does give us a pretty good road map as to how you derived at the various the various fund sources for this budget so i want to commend you and appreciate you for that opportunity to digest prior to this presentation my other question is related to that retention and recruitment i think it's important for us to say that that is a gross amount is that right that's correct so that so fifteen hundred dollars um and then we would um pay for the payroll benefits on top of that yes that's correct accordingly yes because i i think sometimes we we fail to say that and uh people leave with a misconception that uh that's a net amount and that's that's the gross amount of of funding and the net will be calculated after all of the employee benefits have been calculated out so yes dr santa cruz it's also important to note that that 1500 stipend is um for a full-time eight hour or more employee so if you're a four-hour employee behalf so it's equated to their fte that they work for yes thank you for clarifying that mr mcintosh that's important as well so uh you've been quite clear as far as i'm concerned and i appreciate uh all the effort that you and your team put in to make sure that we have a clear understanding of where we're move what we're moving towards as we look to approval of this final budget thank you you bet thank you other board members hi mrs well first i i appreciate all the hard work that um the financial team has done and the cabinet and mr and dr mccord um when i look back on my board service and um where we actually and and i appreciate the voters because looking back on my board service when we didn't have an override or bonds and went down to state funding only it's really incredible to me that we've been able to put ourselves in such a good financial situation um these past couple years you know those were very very hard times and we had to make some very difficult decisions and i really appreciate that we're able to invest with instructional coaches and programs into our students and so i really appreciate the voters supporting us with those bond and override votes and for the hard work that's been put into this because i do remember when we were working to get even four million dollars for a budget balance carry forward and this is way different so thank you so much for that hard work and then mrs wood if i could add yes please um so in as you recall in our conversation yesterday you pointed out a couple of things and i just wanted to make sure that i'm clarifying it to the to the viewer so on this slide in particular mrs wood encouraged me to be more specific on this slide um just like mr mcintosh was on the actual language associated with each of the increases so please note that all of the all the words in red were added for tonight's presentation and i will have this updated presentation to ms wilson this evening to be posted as a slight revision so those were the only um changes that occurred between yesterday and today thank you i guess i had one question when we say that we have 30 million dollars conservatively in bounce budget care forward i just wonder it's hard to leave that money on the table for me which i i don't want to i know it's one-time money at some level and so i just hope and wonder have you explored you know in-depth the use of that are we is that as much as you feel comfortable dipping into that and why compared to maybe looking at some other opportunities this year just one-time things so we haven't as a leadership team had a lot of time to discuss the possible uses of that one-time money but i was worried that we would have to use more of it for the ongoing pay increases over time but also one one thing that we we did decide yesterday to increase the stipend amount from 1000 to 1500 so that additional 500 dollars will eat away another two and a half million dollars out of that budget balance carry forward but um since it's one time um i think that we we as your leadership team can talk about what would be the best way to spend some of that down looking forward to figure out you know it's always easier to do that once we know what our student accounts are going to be in the new year so and then as you know we have you have adopted the carryover budget the allowing the carryover of mno discretionary budgets for our schools and in addition a target of a four percent carryover so if we do that the four percent was about 12 million so 30 million minus 12 leaves us about 18 million so we can talk about other ways of other appropriate ways to spend that additional 18 million dollars after considering getting through the next two or three years but yes we can have those conversations thank you any other questions for miss bets or mr mcintosh okay then um we need a motion and a second and then we can have any other discussion that we'd like to so let's begin with um i would ask for a motion for 9.03 compensation increase for certified employees for non-admin i moved to for the compensation increase 9.03 you move to approve that yeah thank you mrs humphries is there a second second was that dr santa cruz thank you dr santa cruz it's been moved and seconded is there any discussion do we need to clarify what that was again or do you feel like we've gone through it okay it's listed great all right it's been moved and seconded that we approve the compensation increase for certified employees and non-administrators as we've presented all those in favor please vote by saying aye aye any opposed by nay it passes 5-0 thank you now we'll move to the 9.04 compensation increase for professional staff uh may i have a motion so moved thank you dr santa cruz is there a second second thank you mr jetty it's been moved and seconded is there any discussion cnn i'll call for the vote all those in favor of approving the compensation increase for professional staff please vote by saying aye aye all those opposed by nay excellent that approved that's approved 5-0 now we'll move to 9.05 a compensation increase for exempt support employees may i have a motion so moved thank you mr jetty is our second second thank you mr parker it's been moved and seconded is there any discussion see none i will call for the vote all those in favor of the compensation increase for exempt support employees please vote by saying aye aye all those opposed by nay it passes 5-0 and then 9.06 compensation increase for administrators so moved thank you miss humphries it's been moved is our second second thank you miss eugetti it's been moved and seconded is there any discussion i do want to make a comment i i think that um we have managed to provide some very nice increases for our employees and i i really appreciate the hard work that's been done on that i think all of us are very grateful that we've been able to make our salaries across the board more competitive for everyone thank you miss humphries anything else seeing no other comments i will call for the vote on the to approve the compensation increase for administrators all those in favor please vote by saying aye all those opposed with nay passes 5-0 and 9.07 compensation increase for hourly support and at will employees is there a motion so moved thank you mrs humphries is there a second thank you mr parker it's been moved and seconded that we approve compensation increase for our hourly support in atwell employees is there any discussion seeing none i will call for the vote to approve the compensation of increase for hourly support and at will employees all those in favor please vote by saying aye aye all those opposed by nay that passes 5-0 and finally 9.08 the one-time retention and recruitment stipend is there a motion so moved thank you dr santa cruz is there a second second thank you mr jetty is there any discussion i guess i just wanted to add as well like has been said tonight i'm really excited and grateful that we can pay our staff and teachers and our admin competitive wages that's one of the most important things we can do with the funding that we have and and show our appreciation for their for their hard work and loyalty and all that they've done these past couple years especially and i also am glad that we can look at putting some of these other things in place that are consistent with our strategic operating plan and directly addressing the needs from learning loss and other um other challenges that we've had the last couple years that our students have had and i hope that that's what these budget additions will put in place so i'm really excited about this retention and recruitment stipend as well with that being said is there any other discussion okay um all those in favor please vote by saying aye aye any opposed by nay great thank you that passes 5-0 miss wood just so you know we'll send out communication tomorrow that outlines everything that you just approved related to compensation tonight great and then when can we expect uh contracts to go oh [Music] real real soon mr mcintosh i think within the next week yeah teachers will be within the next week and then we'll cycle through the next groups okay all right but you'll send this communication out tomorrow great thank you thank you very much all right now let's move to 9.09 policy development first read a policy die audits slash financial monitoring dr mccord thank you madam president governor board members um this the next three policies i think there's three um will be or have been uh through a first read with our policy committee as all of our policies are everything you see tonight i believe or most everything you see tonight is based on actions done by the legislature even in the last session and we get updates and again we bring those updates to the policy committee and so these are just additions or something to the effect of of not corrections but um changes to the current policies that we have okay this policy sorry well this policy is audits financial and it's it's policy die and again there's addition additional language and kind of direction for what we we need to do and yeah pretty straightforward thank you dr mccord may i have a motion i move that we adopt first read of policy die audits and financial monitoring thank you mrs humphries is there a second second thank you mr parker it's been moved and seconded is there any additional discussion seeing none i will ask for a vote on the first street of policy die audits and financial monitoring all those in favor of approving please vote by saying aye aye any opposed by nay passes five zero thank you 9.01 9.10 policy development first rate of policy dj purchasing and purchasing ethics policy dr mccord thank you madam president governing board members again this policy is a revision based on legislation and says the governing board may provide food and beverages at school district events including official school functions and trainings as allowed by the arizona constitution policies of department of ed thank you dr mccord may i have a motion madam president i move first read approval first read policy dj purchasing ethics policy thank you dr santa cruz is there a second second thank you mr eugetti it's been moved and seconded is there any discussion seeing none i will call for the vote all those in favor of approving the first read of policy dj purchasing and purchasing ethics policy please vote by saying aye any opposed by nay it passes 5-0 the first read and then we'll move to 9.11 policy development first read a policy e-e-a-e-a bus driver requirements training and responsibilities dr mccord thank you madam president governing board members the addition to this is probably more clarification to sharpen up the language it says bus driver applicants must be able to obtain a commercial driver's license issued by the department of transportation the student certificate obtained from the department of public safety within 90 days of higher and at the end it says the district will assume the cost of required physical examinations and the drivers may assume the cost of obtaining valid commercial driver's license as required by law thank you dr mccord may i have a motion so moved thank you mrs humphries is there a second thank you mr parker it's been moved and seconded that we approve the first read of policy eea bus driver requirements training and responsibilities all those in favor please vote by saying i i any opposed with nay that has passed as well 5-0 all of those were our first read so we'll take them back to the policy meeting and bring them back for a second read and approval at the next board meeting great thank you we now move on to 10.01 items for future agenda does anybody have anything to add tonight or they could let miss wilson know or myself or dr mccord thank you we will now go through the board committee reports um 11.01 gilbert education foundation we had a board meeting recently and went through the end of the year we have a scholarship dinner coming up and we're really excited about the teacher recognition this thursday night and again like you mentioned grateful to our sponsors who are providing funding for that to be a nice night this thursday night that's my report 11.02 mrs humphrey city of mesa and legislative representative just a couple things to report on several of us participated in the the state of the town address that mayor peterson put on at the higley center for performing arts also i just wanted to relay since this was an issue brought up in public comments that the arizona school board association board of directors voted to remove the asba from the national school board association and so they are now no longer affiliated with the national school board association at this time thank you miss humphries dr santa cruz 11.03 town of gilbert we were invited to attend and many of us did i was unable to attend the state of the town presentation last thursday those of you who were there i'm sure had an informative afternoon other than that i have nothing else thank you 11.04 finance and audit committee mr bill parker thank you 11.05 insurance trust representative mrs eugetti just want to report that we're still solid and open enrollment will be coming up in april for our employees thank you very much thank you for each of you for those reports uh let's move to 12.01 future meeting dates dr mccord thank you madam president governing board members we have a board work study and brief board business meeting on april 5th a board policy committee meeting on april 12th and another board business meeting on april 26th great thank you we now move to 13.01 adjournment is there a motion i'll move for german thank you mr parker is there a second second thank you miss humphries it's been moved and seconded that we adjourn all those in favor of adjourning please vote by saying aye aye any opposed with a name we are adjourned thank you
um i i it's important that we stay focused on the agenda item in front of us which is discussion and decision on elementary school campuses so let's please keep our personal thoughts uh and feelings about our the personal interpersonal um interactions uh to ourselves for the remainder of the evening can we just move to a motion please please president greer um so i just wanted to talk about the benefits of emerging schools you know there you have a larger elementary schools you have better and bigger programs and you have fewer combo classes i was never oh good with combo classes when there's a second and third grader or third and fourth grade together because i feel that it's not for the teacher but it's also not fair to the student and that's what's happening now because we don't have enough students in the classroom thank you i don't want to say unprecedented go mr mall go ahead please yes so um with the calculation of leaving dalton hodge magnolia powell lee murray paramount and valley dale using those schools and in 2023 will be a 72.28 capacity based on our current enrollment and then year 22 23 24 we'll be down to 70.99 capacity based on our current enrollment projections so jamal is that is that talking about capacity enrollment at the elementary level or that scooping it with the middle school and the high school no matter that's elementary only that's elementary only mr mull did you include powell in that list no ma'am paramount give me one second let me double check mr ortega a couple meetings ago you were so kind as to throw up a google sheet to type out what we were looking at would you be able to do that so that um when mr mall or any of our cabinet are listing out schools we have that visual aid i can share my screen balls if that helps okay thank you thank you um i only have one screen so it may be very small so i apologize in advance [Music] are you able to magnify a little bit i'm going to try give me one second [Music] um how's that ice cream actually a little bigger a little bigger no problem just give me one second please thank you and i just want to confirm that i have the schools correct this is better that's better thank you okay and so this is lieben dalton at 390 um capacity hodge magnolia um lee murray paramount and valleyville and down here i have ellington and palace the two schools are closing so i stand corrected 22 23 will be at 77.46 percent and twenty three twenty four will be at 76.08 i did have powell in their original calculations and and you you also spoke of uh were you able to go out as that farm no on this spreadsheet i only have it to i'm 23 24.
but i can put that together yeah bring it back bring it down a little bit please um yes ma'am okay is that better yes so the when when we when we set out to do this work um we asked for we asked to look well in advance i i want to say the the the number that we use is five year projections but really it's five year plus and we gathered ten years of projections or demographic data and so i i would it would be imperative to to know what the um the 10-year out projection would be with with these campuses i will stop sharing and if i will look to see if i have that with me give me one second please yolanda was that sufficient within with the numbers was that sufficient yeah yeah okay so with that i'd like to make a motion that we um that we keep pod dalton lee magnolia murray paramount and which one am i missing and out and and valley dale open board member vote boardwalk promotion can you please repeat that board my recruits and zelda sorry so dalton lee magnolia murray valley dale and paramount open and if i can clarify for that would be sixth full that would that would mean that the the two schools that are not on the list would be ellington and powell right and the others would remain what did i say seven supposedly then why are we talking about five we're talking about three we're closing okay yeah okay all right okay so that's and which ones are closing can you please clarify powell and ellington i second the motion um any discussion i don't agree because we're going to be in the same position as we are and we spoke about uh three schools for some reason um magnolia was just thrown into the loop you know without ever being on the list so now it's like we're changing this all around all over again and this doesn't make any sense to me i totally disagree and i i would be on com i would be uncomfortable voting yes for that um with at least at least not without um uh the data from from michigan on the 10-year projection is is that something that is that you're able to gather within minutes mr mall or or would it extend beyond that i would need beyond minutes okay i i would not be able to responsibly vote yes in favor of that without that data but in an effort to move us forward i can't get it done tonight i just need time mr mullen really quick question if we just take the 10-year projection that we have right now uh and plug that number into the spreadsheet wouldn't that suffice it would but by each elementary school the 10-year projection currently includes six so i would have to do it backwards to remove the sixth graders from each elementary got it um so there still is a motion in a second on the floor and so that would if there's no further discussion so call for a vote yeah is there any further any additional discussion okay so then we will do a hand vote and this this would be a vote on to make it for the to make it most simple for closing ellington and powell okay so that is that that's the motion that's on the floor so we will do a hand vote on on that uh board member rodriguez pena no or member beau yes board member cruz gonzalez board member board member adianas no and i would also be a no so that motion does not pass and so we are um we're back on the floor there's there's currently not a motion i just want to remind you adrian that it's 10 20 and we have a our board policy about 10 30.
correct and just so everybody is aware at 10 30 we we would vote to extend the meeting and there's a vote that uh that the meeting would be extended to a time that we would determine at the time of the vote um and there would be no additional extensions for for that particular meeting tonight so i would like to make a motion i'm sorry can we not have private conversations thank you just just for transparency i'm asking for clarification about our process just for transparency thank you uh did you want to ask your question apologize for not turning my mic on um is um do we have a board policy that um prohibits us from going past the calendar day past midnight or could can we go past midnight this is i'm asking it for process we just need to make a vote on it at 10 30.
if we vote yes we can continue sure but we have to we have to set the time though then 30. that's correct dr bond i'm looking at the board policy now it it only indicates that you're going to extend to a specific time i don't see any limitation in theory you could extend it to 1 am um i imagine that would be problematic for many actually one time we were here to almost midnight okay um so i like to make a motion to go back to model um three the proximity map which um keeps open dalton hodge magnolia murray paramount and valley dale the school closures would be ellington v and powell that is my motion on the floor is there a second second any additional discussion okay then we will move to a vote uh board member rodriguez pena yes or member beau no what remember cruz gonzalez no board member adianas yes and i am also a no so the scenario i laid out happened so now let's i mean and at this point right now we've rescinded any closure so at this point right now also let me let me make a motion let me let me try let me make a motion um and this is not intended to be a complete motion this is intended to be a phased motion so so so there there there were i'm asking for there to be additional work on the other side of this um so as one phase i motion that we include of of the schools that we that we uh would close that we would include ellington and powell among that list um as we consider if any additional schools on top of that so your motion at this point is to close ellington and powell my motion is to close ellington and powell and it's uh not without the expectation that we're that it's final but excuse me let me be more clear without the expectation that that is the exhaustive list of schools that uh to be closed as an alternative i'm trying to get to the point where we can we can narrow things down to to the specifics of where we uh where of the five of us agree and or disagree and as i hear across the the board i am i'm hearing i continue to hear uh ellington and powell to remain remaining on the list uh regardless of where we are i think that there's questions around uh you know magnolias is here which is part of what brought us back to this conversation so magnolia is here uh we've had conversations around dalton we've had conversations about lee there are even other schools if we that the board has discretion to consider but i have heard what sounds like there'd be commonality amongst all the motions is for ellington and powell to be included is there any additional discussion okay so we will vote on this this and and there is still more work to do on the other side of this uh i need a clarification on that so after we after we vote here the the let's let's imagine that we were going to close uh three schools we are saying that two of those three schools would be ellington and powell and we have not determined what that third or fourth or fifth school would be but we were saying that two of them would be ellington and powell but to clarify adrian okay but to clarify the essence of your vote is that we are we are opposing ellington and powell that is the essence of my book right of the motion and i seconded it my motion right any other discussion okay then uh remember rodriguez pena yes board member beau yes board member uh cruz gonzalez yes board member adianas and i would also be yes so that place is uh that has two schools that that we have decided upon for foreclosure that leaves still on on the table all of the others i i guess i will point out that we have we're here uh because magnolia was originally there and there has been some some discussion um around around some of the others but so i would just i appreciate what you're saying adrian but i also think that i mean this is this is democracy and action right there's five of us we each you know you need to have a majority and so when you have a when you come to a place where there cannot be consensus on that third site that you that you're talking about and i hear that there's not right when does it become not fair to the community that we're just very clear about this is as far as we can go at this point just because we don't have consensus well this is why we have legal here i guess right the suggestion i was going to make earlier is that given that mr mall is researching something and you're rapidly approaching 10 30 you may want to consider a motion to extend the time to a set specific time to allow the board to have additional discussion and then maybe take a brief recess for mr mall to complete our computation uh based off that recommendation i'll say that i wouldn't be opposed uh to to to that and i wouldn't be opposed to the idea of of uh the remaining schools remaining open but again i i could not responsibly vote for that without that data from from mr mall okay mr i know i i see you working feverishly is this the kind of thing that we are um minutes away from hours away from can you can you speak to that i at least have maybe 25 minutes and five minutes to talk to his article just to confirm that i'm on the right page it probably won't even take the full 20 minutes that's all i ask i i would like to motion to go ahead and take a recess i i need you some restrictions unless we want to come back to this i you know president what do you think um complete this today yeah i really do so if we are if we are agreeing that we're going to complete this today and let's keep in mind i i know but it's because it's 10 25 and we would need to vote to stop it at 10 30.
i was going to motion right um so if we motion we need to be mindful of the amount of the amount of time because we can only extend it once so if it is our intention to finish the conversation tonight we need to be mindful of that when we when we set the time limit on uh uh when mr mall is saying that she's gonna take her upwards of 25 minutes i would like to motion that this meeting extend to 11 30.
if needed not that we're going to end at 11 30 but miss jamal is working but i think it's important that we do allow some room for discussion when she does present numbers it's only fair that you know that that we do that and that we make our our our final vote tonight and i apologize for all the people in the crowd so the motion on the floor is that we extend the meeting till 11 30 and keep in mind that if if this motion passes it will not go to 11 31 even if we are not uh finished with our discussion second um any any discussion uh i will say that i i'm i would be concerned that 11 30 would come closer than we realized i don't want to stay that long but i but it would be more important that we finish the conversation then that we stay past the 11 30. so um i i i would not be in favor of this and would like to see us put it push the timeout further 11 i'm sorry further or further push the time further well i'd be more comfortable with 12.
i resent my motion and i will motion to extend this meeting till midnight second any additional discussion i'll i will just say i hope that we that we don't take full advantage of this i hope we're done well before that um okay then we'll go ahead and vote uh board member rodriguez pena yes board member beau yes board member uh cruz gonzalez yes board member adianas yes and i i am also yes with that said we will take um a 10 minute recess bye thank you uh mr mull i i don't want to interfere with you getting the work done i had originally called for a 10 minute recess maybe i should have in retrospectively should have called for a longer recess um i don't suppose by any chance you are finished tallying uh those numbers i am not uh president group i can have ten more minutes okay then we will we will go ahead and recess for for an additional 15 minute thank you is 10 55 uh which extends we extended our recess for an additional 15 minutes um and so i will ask um mr mall um were you able was that enough time for you to be able to make a calculation yes sir okay would you be able to share the data and also share what data you're sharing just to remind folks since there's been a break yes sir [Music] all righty so i want to make sure you can see my screen i can't see anything yes we can see it uh but but zooming in would be helpful if possible ready so what i have here and actually i'm sorry i should say we were able to see it and then it disappeared so oh i'm sorry let me try again [Music] okay mr tasha if you can move it over to the right a little bit uh go ahead and take away the the schools and ellington and paul and move to the table and now i want to see i want to see columns uh i we don't see column i right there you go and then if you can uh scroll down so go ahead and eliminate rows one through five so we don't see those there you go perfect perfect perfect alrighty so what we're seeing here is a projection oh lord i'm sorry give me one second i don't know where my screens went give me one second it completely went away [Music] i'm going to try this one more time [Music] i apologize okay i'll try this again you want to share it with me and i can project it i'm sure i can do that as well i'm going to try one more time guys before i try that okay just to see if we can knock this out now am i sharing again yes we are able to see it but with limited so the same thing we did last time go ahead and uh you went too far okay give me one second drop it down to one one um that's it i think that's it right there yeah we're good okay so we're seeing here um i did leave eliminate 21 22 because that's the current fiscal year um so this is taking the current um schools that are currently on the table um only powell and ellington this is going from 22-23 all the way to 30-31 um so you'll see in 22-23 which would be the next fiscal year will go to 77.46 percent um if you go down to 2526 we'll drop down to 72.48 and by 3031 we'll be at 68.24 with only closing two elementary schools thank you okay um i'll just let me just remind the board because it's 1058 we did extend out up to the for the limit of of 12 a.m um i i would i think we'd all love to make it sooner than that um with with that said mr mall can i ask you this question we've talked about 85 percent as a threshold the the organization committee was given 75 to work with can can you speak to how that number the relevance of that number and and maybe the ways why is that not just an arbitrary number what what is what is what does 85 do you you said your professional opinion would be that if we did not hit a certain threshold we would be having this conversation again uh in a number of years can you speak to why 75 85 is a is a threshold that you're working us toward sure um one um for our current population and our enrollment decline uh at the strength of our decline in the next five years if we started at um with the goal of 75 we will be having this conversation again so we made the target of 85 at this time with the goal of knowing that we're going to improve on our programs and our offerings so that we're attracting students and so that way we can go against our decline we would actually be in a better financial position but if we start at 75 with still having the same goal um we will have within the next five years a drop sooner before we are able to realize a gain based on the improved increase in programs and offerings and so specifically my question is so we say start at 85 that way there's a little bit of some there's some some wiggle room if you will why why why is 85 and wiggle room down to 70 or down to 75.
why is that a lower limit why why why is that the number that makes you say we would need to be back instead of 78 or 82 why 85 why why 75 i'm one because anything below 75 you're actually operating a campus and what we call it a physical deficit meaning you're spending more to operate the campus than it is that you receive and from the ada for the students that attend that school um two just the offerings when you have a smaller student population you're going to have an increase in combo classes as well as um smaller um electives that are able to offer our programs um so it's just more that you can do with a compass campus that have more enrollment more opportunities and more enrichment um academic programs that we can offer as well latasha jamal when when when you speak about um you said it was 70 75 uh you said fiscal deficit right for anything less than 75 you're basically operating at a deficit so for those that don't know what that means at a school district can you please kind of just share a little bit what that means yes so we're funded off of our students um actual attendance to school um so even if you had 100 attendance if your school is only operating at let's say twenty thirty percent of um capacity the enrollment the ada that that school is actually receiving would not cover the cost to operate that campus mr paul this is um sabrina so in terms of dollars what would the what is the projected deficit and when would that hit when would you i don't have that projected deficit right now dr bar i'm sorry so if if i could pose this this question um so if we had a if we had a campus let's let's say we had a campus that could that was that would hold upwards of a thousand students but but our capacity did not allow for it and so and so we we cut it down and we were down to the 300s which meant that there were just wings that were closed if we understood that in the future there is the potential for there to be a resurgence of some numbers um can you help me understand why in closing closing wings and then reopening wings as opposed to campuses closing campuses and opening and or opening campuses would be less viable um so i'm not going to say that's not possible um but typically um even if you have 30 of the students there are still certain positions that are required to have um which will be a principle um depending on the mark uh the organization structure you have a system principle if you're talking about secondary years talking about um counselors um you're talking about support aids even if you close a wing depending on the population of students there are still certain positions you have to have and whether you have one student or 30 or 300 students that level of position would have to be there so you want to make sure you're maximizing the number of students on campus so that even if you're just saying i'm closing a wing if you're going to have to have let's say a principal on campus for 200 students you will still need a principal on campus for 500 students am i answering that uh yes i have a follow-up but first i have a question regarding so do we have a figure on um saving what is our cost savings closing three schools compared to who schools do we have that and do you have that uh um mr mall yeah i have what we presented um previously which i can share which was um when we based off what was previously agreed upon we did the projection of the closing um along with the facilities of util i mean sorry the utility savings yeah okay give me one second i'm going to stop sharing this and i my mind is going along the same thing that that you're you're asking there uh remember rodriguez what i'm what i'm curious to know is if we were to make a conscious decision to say that we are only going to close two schools and instead of three um what what are those real costs so you talked about principles you talked about vice principles you talked about some of those positions that are required what are what are those those per campus baseline costs um that that we would be looking at uh by saying yes to a a or or no to a third school closing so let me start with what we shared um and then i would have to partner um with jorge on what the nexus would be um what i have is just a total based on when we identify the three campuses that we will close and their utilities and the projected management staff certificate and classified staff we had that bulk number of a projection sure but i don't have that by school site got it [Music] and you're able to sorry you're able to you are able to yes i'm maybe this will come in your presentation does that um reduction in classified and certificated staff does that already take into account reassigning educators to the continuing schools right because we're so it's i'm trying to clarify that it's not close to school and you lose all of those positions because some will have to go to other campuses corey i don't want to jump in but i'm going to say correct um so we um um jorge and his team looked at seniority and based off the staffing and based off the staffing um formula that we stated each campus would have um then we came up with a projection of the staffing um savings um from a reduction of staff due to the closing of campuses yes that is correct and board member beau uh you are correct as well in how you are conceptualizing that as we reduce grade levels and schools closed we will have a student enrollment with change and with that student enrollment that would create positions at schools that would remain open and features that would be placed would be uh moved into those into those positions now there will be um a reduction um based on projections and dependent enrollment that we would have to factor in mr rocco did you did you speak to then what those stable positions those those baseline then positions would be per cap per campus so so some would transfer over some would be relocated and so that's that the the some staffing numbers are based off of enrollment but other staffing numbers are based off of number of school sites so if we were looking merely at the additional school site what are some of those those baseline costs per school site i could speak to the positions so we have a principal per um site um a secretary per site uh the clerk position community liaison health aide those are or positions that are specific to those uh individual sites uh resource teacher uh so as we go down to um uh two other positions on the certificated side we have a resource teacher and then many of our elementary sites also have an intervention position as well that's assigned to their site on the classified we also have custodial correct we also have uh custodial positions a a date a day custodian position and a night custodian position nutrition correct and we also have our nutrition services positions that are um for for our sites aids age and if i could just add like the custodial position um they're staffed based off of square footage so that would be a perfect example of even if we chose to close off a wing based off the square footage of the campus that's how we hire our custodial staff and assign hours but does that um is that formula hold true if 20 of the campus is not being used meaning that we're not going inside the classrooms to clean those they're not being used i understand that the maintenance the grounds need to still be kept up but with that calculation still hold that would um because right now currently um on our campuses though they're 30 40 50 the campuses are still being utilized so we have smaller class sizes or they're using them as a resource room they're repurposing a classroom so they still require cleaning rarely do we have any parts in our classrooms where it's just closed and no one is utilizing it for any purpose so i think where person grew that's where your question your inquiry was going is to instead of dispersing and using all of the spaces on campus is it possible to consolidate the usage of the campus to a a quadrant or a wing of a campus and therefore reducing some of the operating costs for the unused portion i would like to to also bring into and to light that there's there's licensings that we pay for for schooling there's there's other costs i think that if we were to go to just do like a wing kind of what you're describing um or remember career there's still a cost we're still paying the lights we're still you know there's still that in accumulation of not saving but still paying that and so i i would like i i didn't hear it what savings would perk you know just in general um do you have miss latasha jamal yes is there any way that you can share um for example something that um some savings that perhaps you generated um before with the schools that were on um you know at the table yes yes i will share my screen thank you um is this large enough or do i need to make it larger yes please okay [Music] mr ortega could we have that emailed to us so we could also look at it on our computers is it possible yes that's possible so here we'll see what the current model that was approved in december um we had a projected of certificated staffing for the 22-23 school year of 1.2 million and you'll see that that 1.2 million is carried out over the next five years um in 2324 we had utility savings for electrical water and gas um those are for the specific campuses so that way i have to interrupt you i can't see i'm ready to make it larger i'm sorry um i'm sorry i'm working off a laptop so i can't i'm trying to make it as large as possible if you go back to the where you had it um miss barton radiance is willing to stand in and what look you get close is this large enough or do i need to go larger i just want to say a question so can you give me like an example of like using one wing how how like i haven't i don't know yeah well i'm not sure i guess that would be a my the question that i'm getting at is if if we need to retract if if we recognize that we need to reduce one way to reduce is to is to reduce school campuses and so that's one thing we can do and i'm wondering uh just the comparison of keeping an additional school campus while what what savings we might have or what are those added costs of adding a of not adding a third campus on the closure list and so that's that's what's being calculated i guess what would that look like probably what we're already seeing happen at some of our some of our campuses now would that be accurate to see that's like super dinner ticket what is an example what school has this model um superintendent could you speak to school campuses that have wings or or areas of the school that are not in use yeah we have quite a bit of schools that have a like foothill as an example one side of the campus is not used at all right so you have the quad and then all the students and the teachers are on one side of the campus [Music] lee also is another what is that because the declining enrollment because it's not enough students that is correct so they're not using the whole campus because they're having a student so why are we keeping it open if there's not enough students for that campus is that that's what i'm trying i'm trying to understand what the what the cost would be to to analyze having two versus versus having three um with that and well mr mull did go can we continue before we move on to another conversation absolutely thank you mr mo where is this located so we could email it to the board you're a mute sorry it was the i believe the march for packet but um i can just email it to you right now to the board oh yes i can do that i will need to stop sharing if that's okay just give me two seconds [Music] i think agent while she's doing that so what kind of information is going to help you make a decision and where you want to go because i feel like i mean unless i'm not saying i'm i mean i already made clear what i want but what i think should happen i i just i think that if we whatever decision we make it that that we should have the numbers and then become conscious of what that those costs are so if we were to say yes that we are going to choose to only close down two schools if that was the direction that we were going to go tonight it would be important to me that we communicate to the community what then we are saying and and and what those at added annual costs uh not only now but into the future would be i would agree i would like to see that as well so there's a reason why we project our costs out just to three years right because our budgets are so variable costs are so unknown like i'm not sure that we that you could what kind of stock you can put into those into those numbers well while i i hear that um because we have already invested in a demographer uh to look at some of this some of this data um as as well as um some of the work that we've done over the course of these past a couple years um i think it's important that we just understand look at those projections even though we understand that they are they are merely projected the email has been sent natasha you want to share it again and uh again walk us through that okay and so this is using the nyp from first interim um this still happened on the negotiated um raise that was on the table at that time um so we have projected staffing um savings in 2223 school year of 1.2 million and that was certificated savings um going over to the 23-24 school year we had electrical and water and gas for utilities for the specific sites that were um slated to be closed um the 1.2 million is of staffing carries on and then we have additional um certificate of staffing sorry to interrupt again miss latasha i i'm not following where you're at okay um help me to um how i can point it out to you we're in the yellow rows maybe if you if you do it by color okay all right so and by start i'm gonna go back to the 22-23 is that okay yes ma'am okay so the 1.2 which is in the first yellow column on yellow row for certificated staffing that's the projected savings um based off the schools that were border proof back in december um projected savings of 1.2 million dollars um that 1.2 continues on through the um the projected next five years in addition to that going to the blue um rose for the electric water and gas i'm starting at 23 24 school years for those schools that were slated to close we have a projector savings of 266 000 in electrical um 274 in water and six um six thousand in gas and those savings will carry on um for the remaining years in addition to that going to the second yellow we have additional certificated staffing based on the actual schools that will close um that will physically close in 2223 carrying over to the 23-24 school year that would be the 2.1 million dollars we will have classified um projected savings of 874 000 um and we will have also in that year in the what you call a brown color um 968 000 and management savings and those savings actually carry on through each fiscal year [Music] again these are all projections and these are just projections on savings so this does not account if we were considering adding anything in bishop i have a question on the projected savings in the gold band old band being certificated staffing and then yeah um for staffing in general so each of the numbers is the same starting in the 23-24 and going out to the 26-27 year is that number then not so for example if we kept those positions wouldn't those costs increase every year yes and we kept them so here since um in the expenditures on the how can i if you're looking at total expenditures where you see the um 126 million 122 million then 116 million that accounts for all staffing and it carries over all five years so here if we're projecting to reduce 1.2 million in savings in 2223 in order for the nyp to be accurate we have to carry out that savings every year because that 1.2 million in staffing was already included in every year going forward [Music] does that make sense dr bo say it one more time i know you're you're footing this to the nyp but in in in actuality if we reduce positions now it's a cost savings of 1.2 million but if we kept those same positions in five years that stopping cost would increase yes ma'am yes a cost of 1.5 million so i'm trying to understand how the cost savings can be held static um over five years when in actually all the costs will increase so what we're saying here is that we will reduce 1.2 million in certificate of staffing in 2223 and because those certificated staffing were already in nyp in 2223 and the out years we have to reduce that amount in each fiscal year that we're not going to have that uh number of ftes allocated for certificated staffing now in any of those years if we're saying oh let's just say this equated to five teachers and then in 23 24 we're going to actually bring back a teacher then that 1.2 will be reduced by the the fte will bring it back but right now this is saying we're reducing 1.2 million ftes um and 2223 and that reduction will be carried out every year now we were do um let's just say we actually made this reduction in 22-23 those um the reduction we realized in 24 and so then the staffing will actually show the total expenditures will actually be reflective of that reduction but right now the total expenditures that's at the top of the line includes the total population of our certificate of staffing that we have today so we're going to carry out this reduction in the in the projected year of 2223 and every out year we would have to manually subtract that number out otherwise it will just show we reduced them in 2223 and now they're back in the budget in 23 24 if we did not do this so i mean in simpler terms i mean can we rephrase it like for example we have cable we're paying a hundred dollars a month we cut the cable we're saving 100 a month in the long run it's can you're gonna save a thousand dollars a year um if you don't cut it then you're gonna accrue that you know um you're gonna accrue that that invoice of a thousand dollars a year yes in simpler terms so if your current cable bill is 100 and you're saying you spend let's say let's make it even thousand dollars in your own cable and your budget shows that you have that already in there and next year you're saying i'm not i'm going to cut the cable now you're going to realize a thousand dollar savings now net the following year if you bring that cable back you no longer realize that savings but if you continue to not have a cable if you had a budget for five years you need to reduce your budget by a thousand dollars each year you're not going to have that cable expense thank you and as we're looking at these numbers i mean there there are a a number of school sites that we have been discussing reducing these these numbers are inclusive of all of those school sites correct based off of december 21st yes sir yes sir oh so to keep one additional campus would be a fraction of this it wouldn't it wouldn't be even close to this would be um it'd be a fraction yes this is not real 100 correct math but i mean if we were just to do sites then possibly around 16 reduction again that's not 100 accurate but i mean just reduction in savings mm-hmm i think he's saying you're taking school six seconds and he's dividing 100 by six and saying each one if if you were saying they were evenly spread with posse then it would be around 16 of that total cost would be realized would be no would be no would not be real life correct 60 less correct just just again just to put a little bit of context again that's not 100 um mathematically correct but just to add a little bit of context to that sure so ms jamal can we if you can you help me understand the line just under the orange where it says revised surplus parentheses deficit yes so that is so that's same with uh did you put it back up on the screen all right give me one second so i think we have an understanding of reducing staffing costs and projecting out those savings for each of the next five years and then um if you shift to the the right to the 26 27 school year um in the the negative two point three seven six million so what does that deficit mean [Music] um doctor wilkin tell me which line you're on it's the revised surplus deficit line it's under the orange management staff mm-hmm and so we have a i only see a revise of four moon i don't see a 2.3 um i'm opening the document he sent us she's she's talking about the total deficit of that year at the far end below below all of your cost your staffing cost 26.27 yes yeah the last column so what so the revised um uh definition surplus is saying that based off the reductions we prior to the reductions we had a projected surplus of 4.2 but with the reductions in the smooth closures our deficit will now only be realized of 2.3 so it's showing that by i'm reducing this on the savings projections from the school reorganization would um put us in a stronger financial position where our deficit would only be 2.3 versus the 4.2 million that's projected [Music] and that is true operating at a there's still an operation a structural deficit even with these cuts yes is that what that means yes but yes um but remember um having a structural deficit does not mean we didn't have enough funds it means that we were already planning to spend our carryover dollars and so as long as we're spending dollars that will carry over from the prior year you will always show a deficit but you also you can also see in the private your previous to that we were projected at 1.2 but with the school reorganization um and the um raise our deficit will go from being a deficit of 1.2 to having a surplus of 597 000.
what line is the surplus on uh it's right next to the 2.3 the 597 thousand green okay thank you should we be instead of managing on the revenue and expense right because i understand there's a accounting that you need to follow based on the how the funds are expended um the carryover funds is should we be looking at the ending fund balance and the reserve requirement as a measure at more comprehensive measure of fiscal health um yes um i think that's a and instead of if you're asking me that instead of looking at uh the deficit in surplus yes so can you walk us through that line item or that that row of the ending fund balance and the reserve yes it's in gray at the bottom yes ma'am so here we have i'm going to go with the first year or any fund balance um um from the first uh current year is 22.1 million dollars um we have our current reserves and our assignments um sorry i raised my hip down can you can you compare so so you're looking at the ending fund balance of the the bottom part the bottom portion there but there's also an available ending fund balance at the at the bottom just three rows of the yellow can you what is the difference between the the two yes so you have any fund balance which is all the funds that the district have and available any fund balance is anything that's available less than any um commitments or restrictions so like we have um so here our current um available anything balance is i want to make sure i'm speaking actual numbers currently available any fund balance is 21.
i'm 22.1 million dollars um but then we have 25 000 in assignments we have 764 000 and prepaid 7.1 is in restricted resources and then we have our current assignments of 10.2 and that's supplemental concentration the concentration add-on aea reserve and so that's our total assignment and then you have your three percent um reserve of 3.9 and so if you take everything that you add together which is 3.9 and all your current assignments that's what you actually have available as any fund balance because the restricted dollars are restricted for a purpose if i'm reading this correctly this would say that for the for the 21 22 year we would need to have 3.9 but we would have 3.2 so we would not we would not meet that ending fund balance requirement yes in that one year but if we project out and look at 2627 the reserve requirement is 3.5 but we would have 16.
yes [Music] but the 16 is accounted for with something on concentration so it's not just funds just available but it's assigning our supplement concentration dollars our concentration add-on and then we also have the aea reserve and so is there another is there another number that you are a row that you would direct us to that more appropriately gets at this question oh no you're you're actually where you need to be so yes we this shows you our financial health we have we meet the three percent um reserve requirement um and our actual indifferent balance is actually 16 million but i'm just i was just trying to articulate that our 16 million is assigned for other purposes it's just not readily available meaning we can do something with it so also my question is on um 21 well this school year 21 22 we are not going to meet the requirement as a first interim it showed that but this was based off with the raise and the projections at that time so at the second room we showed that we actually met that i'm just using this nyp um to show when i did the projections for the um school reorganization so that means that it's even healthier if if the second interim is is even healthier for this year then that would mean that projecting out to 26 27 [Music] would be even healthier than what is displayed here would that be accurate yes sir okay so it would see i'm gonna i'm gonna go out on a limb here mr mall and and correct my correct my thinking if that would if we're looking at these savings year to year and we're recognizing let's let's use a as a safe estimate uh super tenor ticket said 16 less in savings if we kept a uh if we did not add a third school campus to the closure list um year over year which i acknowledge um but it would be in essence we would we would not realize 16 of these of this savings by estimate but we would be working with over 16 million in our ending fund balance when our reserve is 3.5 yes sir so that would that would seem to communicate to me as i look at this that there is that there is some room to to to look at keeping or to only closing two school campuses instead of three but i know that that that's not the that's not your assessment um it's your assessment that not going further in our capacity uh liz wood would bring this conversation up sooner can you speak to the discrepancy from what i appear to be seeing and then what you were describing um i won't i won't say a discrepancy um i would just say that um going into the school reorganization process it wasn't about how much money we can save for let's pick enough schools to increase our any fund balance it was about maximizing our capacity so we could do more with our programs so um i know i for me personally it was never about how many schools can we close so i can make sure any fund balance was there because without school reorganization our through our current year in our two session years we've always been financially sound [Music] and i think the administration has done a lot of work to ensure that we're fiscally sound but the delta that the potential that we can realize is not stretching ourselves so far so that we can keep all the campuses and be physically sound but if we were to consolidate as we're that's the topic of of this evening we would be able to reallocate those funds to the existing campuses so that we would still be fiscally sound but we would also be able to fund more robust programs and support educators and staff so that we have a living wage and people can afford to live and live and work in azusa so in looking at this comprehensive one way to steer this or review this is the overall comprehensive you know fiscal health if um approximately 15 16 percent comes from one campus and i know it's not a perfect example but i'm looking at the back of the envelope that is that difference about 525 thousand dollars i took um three point five times fifteen percent is that five hundred twenty five thousand dollars um which three point five for using doctor i was looking at the um never mind i would and i was a different wrong number i was looking at the required reserve oh okay because i would say if we're trying to figure out the percentage out we would need to add up all of the proposed savings and then times that by the percentage got it and only some of it though because as we talked about there's some of the staffing that's really that that's here yes that we would we would retain that staffing anyway whether whether we had two closed campuses or three three closed campuses because it's it's associated with our enrollment yes so really we would be looking at more cleanly potentially 16 on management um 16 on utilities classified properly and some classified i think that's fair i will let jorge answer that yeah that's correct i i wouldn't say it's all classified but i think some classified will fall into that 16 the uh certificate of your your line of thinking is accurate because um many of the certificated positions will follow student okay you know just um listening to the conversation that's that's happening right now um i think that um yes the the capacity is is important right being able to go ahead and save this much money is important you know and again when we began this journey we were looking at a five to ten year plan right and so looking at the numbers for me i'm still a solid yes on three schools because there's no reason why a souza high's pool has been down for 30 years there's no reason why gladstone high school has a tree growing out of their pool like you go to clinton and you go to other districts and you see the amount of you know they've had to close schools at the different and so you see the amount of just gosh i don't want to put a district down but priorities right and that is if we want what's best for our students our students right now that are in school not me that i graduate not you that you graduated like the students right now what are they going to benefit from if we take that angle and perspective right in the long run three schools make make sense so if three of you still think that three schools need to close then you need to come to an agreement on what consensus on what that third one is and i i think i heard you say adrian that that's happening tonight right we're not dragging this out well we have until midnight i hope so i'm just saying i think i'm i think we're going around and around with a lot of information about numbers um but i think ultimately right people have to you know i think you guys have to come to a decision about what you think is best for this for us to move forward i agree with her totally i agree with the process of making it a decision and i think that there will always be more data whether it comes next week or two years from now or 10 years from now and i think it's also important to snap the talk line and decide how are we going to make the best decision that incorporates all the factors that we know are important geography school size communities programs being able to pay faculty and staff so that we we retain staff and we attract attract the staff that's what makes our school district that's why families stay here that's what we heard from all of the parents here that you're here because of your teachers and your principal and then taking that lens out and looking at the conversation started had to start with fiscal sustainability and responsibility i really feel that in looking at this and kind of finally piecing it together with the impact of one additional elementary school remember we've made the decision about secondary we've made the decision about middle schools now that the delta that the the crux of the matter is with the vote that we've taken previously tonight is one elementary school i'm comfortable looking at these projections to say i'm i am i'm happy to let our vote stand with our last vote with the closure of ellington and powell as the the um elementary schools to close and and not consider any additional elementary schools i disagree still regarding funding i mean latasha mr mall is our cvo right and she did pay we will be here in another two years and you know regarding the funding however we saw this figure so i mean she's the expert she goes through all the numbers and um i believe her and i don't want to be sitting here in two years i was here two years ago when we did the same thing and here i am again in another two years i really don't want to be sitting here going to the same scenario and actually honestly if you called president spur we talked but then we should have closed three schools and we didn't we did too here we are again today only closing two when like we should close three we will i promise you we'll be back and i i don't want to be going through this again but that's my opinion i still stand that we need three schools and be bold let's take let's take a chance you know what let's take a chance close that extra school again i i would agree with board member boat board member rodriguez pena that knowing the information that we have in front of us i cannot i don't even know what the word i'm tired i i cannot responsibly vote for only two schools at this time i i'm still sticking to three and and board member career you have the floor you know what um we we need to make a decision tonight and i still feel we need to do three we have to take a risk for our students for for them to be able to have and that's where i stand yeah and i and i would say no matter how you look at this no matter which angle you look at there there's there's risk that we're taking because we're looking at projections so we have to make informed decisions and so an hour ago i was uncomfortable with voting for only two schools closing because i did not have this information on the other side of having this this information here i i also would be comfortable with two campuses with uh only looking at two campuses closed instead of adding a third third campus to the list so i know that that's something that we already voted on but because i correct me if i'm wrong here carlos because i was a dissenting um boat on on that item i would i would then move that we just keep and i know there's more work to do on the other side with programs um but we i would move that we uh exhaust the list at just the two campuses that we mentioned before as as emotion i don't think you need to take that motion i think you've passed the motion i think ellington power slated for closure i think really if there's not a motion on the floor to close an additional school the board can rest on the accident i would like to rescind my vote okay my understanding of that i'm gonna without that previous motion past four one so so gabriella you can take it you can make you can make a motion for reconsideration you can make a motion-free consideration at this point during this meeting i would like to make a promotion for consideration reconsideration consideration of my vote of the motion of the motion of the motion which motion do we have a lawyer here to let us know what we need to do yeah but we also have we also have a chair no excuse excuse me member chris gonzalez we don't have a lawyer here board member yes we also have a board chair and so i'm pleased i will please ask um that that you um be recognized by the board chair before you speak please and i would like not to be interrupted while i'm speaking okay and so that's why i would look to please please direct uh the comments to the board chair so that i can i can determine when someone is speaking when someone is not thank you um uh carlos can can you speak to what you see as uh needed for next steps emotion they carried was to close ellington and powell and that carried 5-0 so all five board members could bring emotional reconsideration of that that motion that passed um on the floor would be motion for reconsideration the vote five zero to close ellington and powell that would be the most so if one board member um the one board member is making a motion so so then there would be a motion on the floor but we need a second for that right okay so is there is there a second to rescind the motion uh for the to reconsider that vote second then any additional discussion and i'll remind you it's 11 45.
hearing no additional discussion we will vote and this vote will be to re reconsider the original motion which only included two school campuses on the closure list which were uh powell and ellington so we'll uh yes can you can you have the attorney clarify what a motion of reconsideration actually does so we're on the same page in in this particular instance i believe the motion to reconsider would be undoing that vote because what i'm hearing i'm not hearing from board member out of giannis it is a if something is replacing that boat it's just a motion to reconsider the board's action to take that vote so if if i hear you correctly if we to take this vote would be to start back to the beginning of the meeting correct uh board member adianas that's what i was trying to ask him earlier board president how do i do this and that that's what i was trying to ask i just want to make that clear thank you so i'm sorry i need to ask any question is that okay please go ahead um so just to be clear could you please again say what i need to say because i'm still not clear um one of the things let me tell you what i want to do i was looking forward you know he said well let's go ahead and do this because right these are the two schools and we're going to talk about the third one so i voted yes because okay we're going to talk about it there now that there's no third one i'm not comfortable with this and that's where i'm coming from and if i can offer something i i believe this discussion was going to lead towards motion so in this instance you could make a motion to add a third goal and then it would be subject to i don't want to do that okay um so then the question is what would a motion to reconsider be it would be a motion to reconsider to basically undo the five zero vote and then the board member careers point then you would be back at square one so when he's back at square one um our then he could i'm sorry i didn't can i just the point of order so that so when you do i can't ask the question i i'm trying to understand this there was a there was a point so just parliamentary procedure right so if we do a motion to re emotion to reconsider reconsider and that motion passes then you actually take another vote on that motion on the floor you don't you don't it doesn't rescind that motion it's not a resist it's not it's not rescinding the emotion if the motion you motion to reconsider then you would do another motion then you'd have to you so if that passes then you have another vote on the motion and people get to cast their votes on that same motion how they want and again the board hasn't adopted robert's rule so i'm fine with that approach so let me let me get that let me say this because because it's 11 48 we can we we can do the gymnastics around with robert's rules of order and and and i understand how that's how that's helpful but as i'm as i'm kind of surveying and hearing i i i heard that initially there were there were uh there were not enough votes to carry either side and as i i said i was uncomfortable voting um there were two board members who expressed that they were comfortable with only having two campuses there were two board members who expressed that they would want to have three campuses um have any of the board members change their perspective on so if if there are no if there are if none of those two none of the other four board members have changed their perspective then there then it falls down onto a vote as to whether there's comfortability with retaining two school campuses or comfortability with adding three so we can go through the steps we can we can go through the steps of reconsidering motions and and coming back around in new motions but we have we have 11 minutes and and and i and there's there's already enough to see that that there is that there is uh uh enough support on the board to move this forward so so so we can do that but that that's going to push us over and and not not not allow us to arrive at where we need to be by 12.
now i'm just going to add i think i need four minutes before 12 o'clock yes exactly so i would say we have even less time just to make sure that the record is clear about the transition so okay so i'm going to say this i know uh board member adianas you when you were talking about this you said that you were uncomfortable you were uncomfortable motioning whether we should keep uh whether we should add a third campus to the list or not i would like to motion that we whether it's needed or not for this for the sake of moving forward with the time that we have i would like to motion that we exhaust our list at two at two school campuses and then we not consider a third board member prayer yes can i speak now the lawyer since he's here um yes but but let me just ask is there is there a second and then the motion dies yes i just do not want to attach my yes to that that's it i just want to remove my yes that that's it how do we move forward like quick what do we have to say what do we have to motion so we can move forward i like in this in this instance then i like board member cruz gonzalez's approach which is a motion to reconsider whether or not the board is going to re-vote on that and that would have to get a majority vote okay since i made the motion should then i motion to reconsider the 5-0 vote correct whether the board will take that issue up again okay and then that would still need another vote once you get back okay so i motioned to reconsider the 5-0 vote for a rebound there's a motion on the floor to reconsider our uh vote on ellington and powell which was 5-5-0 is there a second second any additional discussion i don't think there's gonna be a change so i really don't realize where we're going in circles i mean i already see what's happening what's gonna happen but for the for for parliamentary procedures where we find ourselves here so let's go ahead and go ahead and vote on that so now um this is a vote to reconsider not not this isn't the vote this is the vote to reconsider the five the original vote question i just want to take my vote to a no that's it that's what we're doing so this is passed if this passes then we'll go ahead and vote again and then you guys can vote the way you and i'm going to vote no for the second of this one to vote yes so the motion second is to reconsider the original the original vote of powell and ellington um board member rodriguez you want to reconsider you want to revoke on the motion is to the motion is to re-vote on the earlier vote that we took to close ellington and powell no no yes and i am also no so there will be no re reconsideration the five zero vote correct so that thank you so then be beyond that that that then answers i i will take that to me and carlos please please let me know if you see it differently i will take that to mean then that that is exhausted and so there are the only two schools that we mentioned elementary schools i should add are powell and uh ellington that are correct and there's no there's no motion on the floor to close an additional school and so when the when the board president allows me to proceed i just want to make sure we're clarifying one issue as to magnolia because it was the previous board action about programmatic transition of magnolia which is no longer relevant or valid and would that be across the board not just magnolia would that be across the board for i think for simplicity for the record it's probably better if you get a motion that adopts exactly what the programmatic transition is going to be for all of the schools in question and i can help with that so at the december meeting there was a 5-0 vote that said paramount for the 22-23 school year paramount valley dale murray lee dalton and hodge pending state approval would have their preschool to sixth grade remain open magnolia powell and ellington would have their first through sixth for pal and first through eight remain open and i've been expected magnolian powell would be first through six ellington would be first group now that uh now that then in the 23-24 school year um the school that would remain open would be preschool to fifth grade so the only school affected right now very narrow motion that could be in motion to basically rest in the action for the great transition for magnolia magnolia would be the same as all the other remaining so i move i move that we rescind the action that was originally taken for magnolia and that it mirror the the same as the other cool sites that will run a second is there any additional discussion we will go ahead and do a hand vote uh board member rodriguez pena yes board member beau yes board member cruz gonzalez yeah board member audi honest yes and i am also a yes i do believe that that takes us to uh area 5.0 and specifically 5.1 which is adjournment is there a motion to adjourn my motion to adjourn is there a second second then any discussion and we will go ahead and vote uh so we are adjourned at 11 56 p.m have a good night everybody
Good afternoon and welcome to the Hawaii State Senate. I'm Jared Kohokole, chair of the health committee. I'm joined by fellow health members, vice chair Senator Baker and Senator Favlla. Uh I'm also joined by co-chair on the committee of education, Senator Kedani. Would you like to introduce your members, Senator? Thank you. To my right is my vice chair, Senator Donna Marcado Kim, and at the end to my left is Senator Favlla. And I'm not sure if the others are on virtual zone. Oh, sorry. This is Senator Drew Canu also to my left. Well, you're so short and small. I just didn't see Okay, this meeting is being livereamed on YouTube. In the unlikely event that we need to abruptly end this hearing due to technical difficulties, the committee will reconvene to discuss any outstanding business on Friday, April 1 at 1 p.m. in conference room 225 and a public notice will be filed on the legislaturator's website.
okay congratulations i'm not sure is that that weird thing that we got i have no idea yes i'm going to start the meeting call this meeting to order at 601 um i need a motion to adopt the agenda a second all in favor hi hi aye well we got chad doing okay um motion carries five to zero okay so um [Music] i guess we just have an informational discussion on 5.1 oh we have the pledging public comments all right fine i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all do we have any public comments no we did not okay before we get started i want to know how did the job fair go the job fair went well i don't know if if mark got the exact number of people that came in but we ended up hiring six teachers and a couple more today we picked up we got four new subs we got four pair of pros uh we got a uh somebody for food service so i'd say we're in a neighborhood about 15 to 20 employees that are people that we we picked up and we probably had maybe 40 people come through 60 come through yeah so overall i think it was is real good we'll do another job fair in the spring or in the summer for classified i think you know with teachers it's a little bit different we'll keep working the teachers and and we have people i mean we're we're we're still getting apps and we're still interviewing so um we're approximately 50 positions teaching positions some of those were unfilled this year um about approximately 50 teaching positions at this point where they're trying to fill okay but i will tell you it'll be fluid and i will tell you that in the old days you didn't break a teaching contract now it's not so we'll have people that sign that could turn around and break it in june i mean not just us districts all over the state will have that same issue okay so um let me get started then and i will try not to wander because i know we need the mic for um the people that are online if anybody's online because we're streaming this and the peanut gallery here even though they're sitting at the back you are able to ask them questions i mean as part of this this is just a general study session and so therefore it it's a situation where please ask as many questions as possible i'll explain what we're trying to do with this uh with this particular uh presentation but if you're trying to get perspective of a principle or perspective from julie or someone else like that i mean this is an open an open process not not a closed process in terms of of the conversation so we will try to answer all the questions that are there depending on what the questions are that may change a little bit and we may not be able to answer something that we have to get more information but i think we're positioned with people in the room to answer all the questions so oops let's make sure okay so what we want to do tonight is a couple different things is is number one review aspects of this current year's budget from a couple different perspectives i want to provide you a high level view of of the upcoming budget and i'll talk about that things are shifting as we speak we received some numbers 15 minutes ago so we'll talk about that in a second so so i will tell you what this budget stuff is in terms of of of where it sits in the bigger picture we'll review current commitments from fund sources this is especially applicable to essers because we've already made some commitments based on stuff that you guys did last year and then more importantly look at initial budget proposals based on initial conversations with leadership as well as ccc uh we have presented this presentation slightly modified to cc ccc last week we anticipate there will be another meeting for ccc to talk more about some of these budget proposals in april uh just because of some things ultimately our goal will be to provide you with different aspects of a budget recommendations at april it's a slash may i think what you're going to get is some in april someone may maybe even some in june it's still contingent on state budget i can tell you as an example in april we'll talk about um [Music] health insurance premiums you will definitely get something in april because we got those numbers and we know what those numbers are and what i present to you tonight will be fixed while we start to talk about some of the other aspects those are contingent upon what does or doesn't happen with state budget okay so and as we talk about the state budget understand that whatever we present tonight is the most conservative of our budgets because it's built on the most conservative of the state budgets there are two different education proposals being worked on as we speak which would increase the amount of money into the district in one case potentially a little bit in the other case potentially significantly so i'll go on to senate uh strike everything senate bill 1269 what you heard in house of probes monday on the next slide that's the one that's getting the press and so you may have some questions on that so i'll kind of go over it and tell you about it the grand bargain of the grand plan i left an article on in front of you uh and it's a bob rob article out of the republic from back in january and it was an overview of saying hey here's how we can everybody can be a winner that concept is being pushed a little bit now by senator paul boyer we don't know a lot of the details so we don't know and the reason i say though when you just take a look at it if that plan were to gain steam the basic notion of that plan is it replaces 208 and so the idea of 208 was we're going to infuse at a minimum 700 million into the state budget so obviously the infusion of 700 million would be significantly more than any of the conversations we have today now whether that becomes a reality or not and what happens with that we're just going to have to see how it plays out over the next it could be weeks it could be months but but there are if you read what what rob says in his article and you see the the notion of what he's talking about it does make some political sense for why that could potentially be what comes down when the final budget's taking place um there were still the details will be are they going to go ahead and take care of we've been talking for several years about additional moneys to special education so even though we're going to give you this much money we're going to target that you must spend this percentage on special education are we going to talk about a poverty weight there's been conversations about a poverty rate if you're talking about a poverty weight obviously that means some districts ourselves included would not get as much as someone with a very high poverty rate and so even though the monies out there wouldn't necessarily be allocated everybody will be a winner but you will win to different degrees depending on what the details are that we have no idea um uh of what's being talked about right now it is is very quiet uh the the senate bill 1269 has been all over the place but this other grand bargain grand plan depending on what who you talk to that one's very very quiet so we'll just have to see please understand irrespective of what the final budget is that will not change the parameters for how we're building this budget it will just change the amount of money that's available for us okay so that's the key component and take just a few minutes to talk about uh six uh 1269 so that people understand in a nutshell they're looking at throwing about 270 million more let me back up 170 to 200 depending on how you compute the numbers in the it is a charter bill is being it was written by and driven by charter operators there was no public input from traditional public schools it was dropped on friday of the second week of fall break they couldn't find a place to put it last week so they put it in house of props this week or senator props one of the two approp house of probes they had all of 30 minutes of discussion they had three speakers four and three speakers against and then they moved it yeah two minutes each and then they moved it and it is structurally a significant change to the entire way we do things in a nutshell 50 percent of all traditional school districts lose money in the deal 94 of all charter schools get money in the deal you will see on average a 1.5 percent increase to traditional charters and a 2.3 percent on average increase to charters what they're going to do and i picked four of the components just so you have an idea there's a couple minor components to it you'll have to give up something with esa's and some of those things but that really doesn't impact us why again tei if you're not aware what tei is in the state they go ahead and figure out the average teacher experience across the entire state and then they find the midpoint if you're above the midpoint you get additional dollars on your budget because traditionally the the longer you're in the profession the more it costs for you to pay teachers the less you're in the in the system the less the cost so if you're above the midpoint the factor is going to be put into your budget if you're below the midpoint you're not going to get that factor they would eliminate the tai in additional teacher compensation for all public school traditional public schools there's where you get winners and losers charters since they don't have tei when they replace that tei with the 2.5 percent increase to the base support level every charter gets 2.5 percent increase so right out of the gate that's where your winners are in our case we're a winner in that we would be it's projected we would be at 300 328 500 and so where you get the losers because we tend to have younger staff we don't we get zero right now for tei so therefore any addition on the base support level is money we get i use payson only because i was there that a veteran staff they will lose about the same amount because they are above the threshold of the midpoint that's where you're starting to get winners and losers and we got a fiscal note from jlbc and you can go through and they'll tell you every single district and whether they're a winner loser in every single charter where they're a winner in this case they're all winners but but so you can take a look at it so in the numbers you're going to present to us today is that 328 000 included nope okay so that's what you meant by conservatives right we're conservative because we this just came out and and this is just uh it got out of committee on a party line boat uh it has not gotten out of the senate uh and uh there's no guarantee that it is gonna get out of the senate um and then if and if it does get to the senate what will the governor do um but i don't i don't know if it'll get that far so i share this because getting a lot of publicity and i just want to make sure you guys understand it again if it does get out and it does get voted i personally think it's it's bad for public education uh for traditional public education but in a micro sense it's we end up becoming winners there's all and and besides charters atra was real big writers of the bill and natura does not like tax increases uh does not like public school districts with taxes that they're big on the transportation piece they want to phase out the transportation support limit and that's because of the notion of what schools get to transport kids there's a belief that that school districts are getting more than they should to transport kids you'll see a term of ghost riders meaning best example and julie you can jump in if i butcher this but best example is if if my district is 100 square miles and i'm in a small district or my district 100 square miles and i'm in large district i still have to run buses to 100 square miles but if i'm in a small district i might have buses with not a lot of kids on them yet i'm going to get funded by the number of kids as well as the number of miles i i drive so therefore there could be some ghost ridership there if i'm in a large district i still run 100 square miles but obviously my buses are much fuller because we're in a big city let's just say and so they there they've figured out a gap what they believe is a gap and and what the funding level should be for school districts and what it is and therefore they would love to get rid of the transportation phase out the transportation support level for five years because they believe that um [Music] that gap is is a drain on the tax payer um and they've been trying to get rid of it for years and so this is their piece in exchange they will increase the route miles by 30 percent in our case um given where we're at and the amount of miles we drive we would see a 31 000 increase so we're basically trading out what we currently get for what they would give us if you're in a small district that's running big miles you could be seeing significant decreases in this one and you have to look at these independently of each other they want to go ahead and add the two together and tell you what your overall limit is but you need to understand you can't take transportation mileage and move it over into mno and just automatically spend it in in uh in salaries on top of that it costs you more to run your transportation than what you get from the state so there's some issues you could take daa and do it but then you don't have money to fix your buildings so they'll show you and the jlbc did in their fiscal note like it's all connected together but in fact it's very separate and so you have to look at them separate so there are little districts that will lose you might gain in tei and lose in transportation there's districts that will lose in both there's districts that will gain in both we're gaining in both but really the transportation's a trade-off because it's only 31 000 they have results based funding they dump it into the formula uh they tell everybody what the number amount is but this is going off a 2019 letter grade so obviously there's going to be no new letter grades next year and so the number is really to be determined depending on what your letter grades are depending on any number of factors there so i'm not even bothering with what the number is because we will have to wait and see what letter grades are in in uh in november uh and then we'll go from there so the results-based funding is this the concept that if you have better letter grades you get more money as opposed to if you yeah it's like lower grades and you need more money you don't get it yeah it's the concept that um uh really if you if you have a very good program then in the business world we should follow the very good programs and so if you're having good test results then that would imply that you should follow that with analogy i have that would be akin to saying since stanford and harvard have the best test scores we should go ahead and incentivize them and give them more money in hopes that western new mexico university will now change their funding model to get the same amount of money that stanford and harvard get and it's just two totally different issues uh the number one factor in in in uh test scores is social economic and so trying to do what the rich already get with the poor who don't get it it just doesn't it's never made sense to me the danger in this one is before it was a line out of budget that the governor had to put out so like last year he he backed off the amount of money because of covet and stuff this would put it into the base support and this would then in ensure that there's um increases based on inflation every single year and so this will result in the rich getting richer to be and and we may be beneficial to it especially as our demographic changes so uh in all honesty it it it's a benefit potentially to us as a district i think it's not good personally for public education but it is a benefit uh and then the real big one which i'm not going to get into all of it but it's they're going to change the way this this they're going to call it a state student funding option all charters would get funded this way they would see an increase school districts would have the option to go ahead and and move into the state uh funding formula this option the number one thing you have to do is right now the only schools that are eligible and i believe the numbers they had in the fiscal note were 26 school districts is you must not have an override or bond what this is is a move to get rid of overrides and bonds for school districts and so if you don't have an override or a bond they'll give you a new funding formula and all of a sudden you make depending on your situation you could see increases of one or two i know pima uh uh unified over in eastern arizona i don't know this because their superintendent is in favor of this because he makes like 1.8 million dollars on his district based on this he can't pass an override or a bond therefore why not take it what you do is you have to give up a variety of different funding sources to accept this so if you do this you can no longer go out for overrides and bonds oops atra loves that first step to get away from bonds and overrides you have to give up adjacent ways you can't fund for adjacent ways you have to give up you can no longer go to the sfb for building renewal to fix your buildings and so there's a number of things you would have to give up to get this extra dollars for us it's only 389 000 so it's not a lot you have some districts i can tell you there are some districts out there they ran 26 districts that that met the criteria and then they ran another i can't remember the exact number but i'm going to say probably 20 or 30 that they for some reason we were on that list that's why i know our number uh believe that we would have paid off our if anybody they believed paid off a bond within the next four years then this would be if you chose this option and everybody thinks you're going to jump all over this option we're not i wouldn't because of what you give up here's what it gets but to give you perspective in the first scenario those districts that do not have bonds and no rights the gap was somewhere between 2500 for a real tiny district to about 2.5 million for a medium-sized district of those that were eligible in the case of the second one the gap is somewhere between 25 000 and 11 million so if i'm a district that's scheduled to get 11 million by doing this and i'm in a place that has a hard time passing a bond and override i might do that i will tell you this is a classic um divide and conquer it's used all the time against public education we'll take the good deal and charters will take the great deal i think what you give up you have to go to your voters which creates its own set of issues and so in in understanding this is because of the additional dollars coming in you take off the the tax for the bond and the override but when you get the additional dollars and it's going to change your gtr and you're going to have additional tax and oh by the way it's going to show up on your tax rolls that go out to the public oh that's right charters aren't showing up on the tax rolls so they get to just not go to a boat to the public and they just get to do an increase so this is strictly i got accused of being too blunt in a meeting a couple meetings in friday this is just strangely uh straight charter bill it's not good for public education but i bring it up to you because we it may be the law of the land so to speak if it moves forward greg good question um with our bond i don't remember when do we finish paying it off uh i think we're scheduled 28 so we're in that four year payoff window there are other places that they looked at them but their their window is so far out but again you have to now basically say you're never going for a bond you have to understand that so therefore the two things that are real negative for us is number one you're now reliant on the smb to fund it you cannot build a full comprehensive school just on smb money and so you have to keep that in mind number two you're still bound by the formulas of when we're able to build a new school so we still have to go to the sfb we still have to give them all our numbers they have a complex formula and they say nope you have capacity so you cannot build a school oh by the way the charter even though we've been told no if they can find a piece of property and get the loan they would go ahead and plop a school in that area that would take kids away from us and next time we go out to the to the sfb we're further behind because they sold a bunch of kids because they have a right to build a school and so this is just the realities of what we have so that states student funding option from the people that drafted this they think it's just a slick deal that's all the school districts can go to it is not and most school districts won't go to it because they can't afford to survive without the bonds and overrides so so how did we build this budget a couple different things we built the budget on a projected zero percent growth for students compared to the hundredth day of 2122.
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Uh, we're here to consider STR 29 and SR23, requesting the Department of Health to work in partnership with the Hawaii Food Bank to develop and implement a vitamin supplement distribution program for public school students. First up, we have the Hawaii Food Bank. Oh, I don't have any live registered testimony. So, the following individuals uh testified. Hawaii Food Bank in support. Jennifer Ozuma Tupalc with comments. Kendrick Setu in support. and Gerard Silva in opposition. Uh, since we don't have any live testimony, well, is there anyone in the audience or on the internet that would like to testify? Please. [Music] Aloha. My name is Dr. Don Sand. I'm not a physician, but I'm a a mouth doctor. I've been in the trench shoes with the community uh community healthcare centers for seven years and I'm also the new ambassador to Noah um to Hawaii. I'm the Noah ambassador to Hawaii.
so for perspective that is 4 200 a little over 4 200 adm during the um uh so that's this year's number last year if you took a look at our 100th day count for last year we're actually at 44 0015 something so we are seeing an increase over what we got last year um we're just saying we're not going to build on a projected increase in the number of kids beyond that number we may get it and it'll be bonus but given uh the demographic study we did and some other things that are happening we believe there's probably going to be about a one year lag on significant growth and then the southern uh southeastern quadrant of the the district will start to see uh combs ranch and wales ranch or wales farms come on board and and then the next quarter after that where farms come on board and probably the one up here uh on germain uh north side uh northside creek and but if you look at where they're at and even if you go up to a uh to aj the project's up there you're probably looking quarter two or quarter three um of 23 going into quarter one quarter two of 24 before you start to see wholesale numbers coming in we will still get kids from archer meadows but we're going to see about a one year lag time unlike in all honesty someone like queen creek which has seen 10 growth so you might build a different number if we were seeing that kind of growth but we're a couple years away from even starting to see significant growth so that's why we chose zero percent growth on against this year's hundredth day count we want to maintain a contingency of at least a million it may be higher last year was a little bit higher so we want to have the contingency in everything we do with this initial budget is built on the same fte as last year obviously when we get into the budgetary conversations we'll talk about that a little bit tonight we could end up increasing fte but for a starting point we're saying same fte as this year because by the way we didn't fill all our positions this year because we couldn't hire everybody and then we want to be creative using all the funds we can to maximize capacity i'm going to own the daa budget question bob i didn't say yeah i think our budget is around 30 million in that range am i remembering correctly so our contingency is about three to three and a half percent that's traditionally what it's been over the last few years that i've been on the board so i think we're looking that's about right for the million dollars right yeah so okay i'm going to wander because this is bothering me standing here and i'm gonna wander so what we're trying to do with the goals uh obviously balance the budget because that's what the state requires want to address staff ccc administrative concerns we want to remain competitive with our surrounding school districts continue to move the district hashtag forward recognize and thank staff for their hard work the pandemic create some bridges between 23 24 24 25 and 25 26 budgets and we'll talk about this with some of the new information that we just received right before the meeting so there is a way we want to look at how do we bridge uh some of the other budgets and then also we want to create an aggressive yet conservative budget that may be counterintuitive to most people but i think we can do that with some of the initial ideas and again these are initial ideas these numbers are going to change and i can explain right out of the gate where one of these changes could occur and we have not had a chance to talk either as a group collectively here or as a group with the ccc on some of these changes we did talk with ccc they gave us their priorities biggest thing to look at is generally the majority of those priorities involve more individuals i've talked to ccc to tell them if you want we'll project we're going to hire a million people if they ain't out there how are you going to get them so we have to keep in mind that even though these may be priorities for the entire district the reality is there may not be individuals out there to hire so we will get into that conversation in a little bit on number number four more elementary electives can you talk a little bit about that one yeah there's a conversation both with them with administration quite frankly as well as them do you look at either putting a 1.0 for technology at every site do you add art we don't have art so art would be true more in terms of a class or more in terms of i want a full-time pe at every single school so it's a combination of the two of those kind of things depending on who you're talking to and what you're looking at um but right now we have a qua we don't have choir so could you do choir at the elementary level you have band orchestra you got technology you got pe what about art what about choir what about some other things like that and at some point i think we'll get there not quite sure we're there based on our size but but that's a discussion point so why why number six why just fifth and six reduce their class sizes quite frankly because that was probably he was in the room within not everybody was in a room with ccc so it's a regular ccc meeting those people that were there we had to do something that day so you're seeing a focus on k and you're seeing a focus on fifth six and that may just been that the the amount of people in the room because what we did was a brainstorm to say what other things you guys want and then it became a case of rank ordering them and so based on the discussion those things came up and then it became a rank quarter well when i show you what we've done within the height within the leader i have an uproar well but but note that but note that we're trying to blend leadership and ccc so you'll see leadership has significantly more ideas than than uh ccc did and number seven what is alternative scheduling that's just looking at things how we do things how do i i'll give you the best example what you could do with an alternative schedule i think we discussed it you guys can help me out if we did or not but right now we take for our specials and you might have them go to each site you know in the morning this site in the afternoon at that site next day in the morning in the afternoon well what if you said they're gonna stay at all at one site on one day and i'll another side on another day you might be able to change the way you schedule and how you work with your the kids and then the teachers in their free time by doing a different way of scheduling you may based on who you don't hire do you take a look at how you group kids together and group them with teachers we're having that conversation so it could mean a lot of different things we haven't really fleshed that out because we got to get to that point to look to see i think that some of that's going to be driven quite frankly by how many positions we do or don't fill okay this is just the priorities for leadership in the areas they fall in same as last year i just put up these funding sources because i want people to understand that there's tons and tons of different areas that we can go to pull money from if we need to again this may change based on stuff that already happened today so in a nutshell rough numbers prior to today um we would see roughly a million dollars in growth by the number of kids we grew this year 200 kids roughly 5 000 a kid that's where you get your million dollars okay we know inflation we don't know the inflation number i won't know that until the budget's pushed out by the state but it's the lesser of two percent or the uh gdp and so we're going with 1.89 which gives us about 600 thousand dollars asrs is decrease is a decrease in the irs uh what we have to pay in the ars for every employee point two four really not a big deal for us but it does create a thirteen thousand dollar gain health premium increase is nine 9.4 percent i'll talk to you in more detail on on down but that's 400 000.