001Good evening and welcome to the March 24th business meeting of the Rockland School Board. Local news media outlets were notified in writing of the agenda for this meeting on Sunday, March 22nd. You will please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance followed by a moment of silence. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. First up, I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda as presented. So moved. I thank Mr. Nessel. Do I have a second? Second. I thank you, Ms. Harris. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries 7-0. Next up is an executive session um for the purpose of discussion discussion regarding the organizational
002pattern of the administration and discussion of administrative recommendations. Do I have a motion to adjourn the open session and enter the executive session for that those two matters? So moved. Uh I believe uh Ms. Daniel followed by a second from Mr. Nessel. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries 7-0. >> Mhm. >> Good evening and welcome back. We have been meeting for the past hour in executive session for the purpose of discussing the organizational pattern of the administration and administrative recommendations. At this point, I will entertain a motion to adjourn the executive session and reconvene the regular session. So moved. Thank you, Mr. Burns. Seconded by Mr. Nozal. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 7-0. Are there any motions coming out of the executive
003session? I have a motion. Thank you. I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of secondary service team. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Nozal. Any [snorts] discussion? Yes. Chairwoman, thank you. As we prepare to take this vote, I just would like to say that the the individual or the individuals that we will be voting on for the next couple of minutes, I do not have an issue with the individuals. I just disagree with the process and some of the requirements and I just would like to publicly say that. I do wish these individuals the best in their careers and their future Rockdale schools. And though I don't though I disagree with the process and how this has played out and I've mentioned that several
004times. That will be reflected in my vote. So I just wanted to publicly say that. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 6-1. Do I have any further motions? Madam Chair, I have a motion. Thank you. I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of elementary instruction. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Ms. Harris. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 6-1. >> [clears throat] >> Madam Chair, Yes. I have a motion. Thank you. I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of secondary leadership. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. I believe Ms. Daniel. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. Okay. Any
005opposed? Motion Madam Chair, out of an abundance of caution, I'm going to recuse myself from that vote. I don't think I have a conflict, but out of an abundance of caution, I'll recuse myself. Thank you, Dr. Belton. So the vote then carries 6-0 with Dr. Belton recusing himself. >> [snorts] >> Do I have any further motions? Madam Chair, Yes. I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of secondary instruction. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Dr. Belton. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 6-1. Do I have any further Madam Chair, I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of elementary service team. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Ms. Harris. Any
006discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 6-1. Madam Chair, I move to approve the superintendent's recommendation for the position of executive director of elementary leadership. Thank you. Um Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Nozal. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 6-0, I believe. Thank you. >> [snorts] >> Does that conclude the motions coming out of executive session? I believe so. Okay. So that puts us down to recognitions. We do not have any tonight. I do not believe we have any citizen participation, no. We do have a consent action agenda that contains two items. It is the minutes from the March 10th school board business meeting and some personnel recommendations. Uh, do I have a motion to approve the consent action agenda as
007presented? So moved. Thank you, Mr. Burns. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Ms. Harris. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 7-0. That brings us down to our action agenda, which we do not have any action agenda tonight, nor do we have any communications. We do, however, have a presentation. It is the Sunset Park update, and I'm going to welcome up Mr. Darren Wilson, who is the assistant superintendent of operations to introduce um the team. And actually, it's assistant superintendent of operations and safety management. Good evening, Madam Chair, Madam Vice Chair, members of the board, and Dr. Elder. Tonight, we'd like to give a brief presentation on the update of the construction project at the new Sunset Park. Tonight, we have Leitner Construction Group coming with us to
008do the presentation. Mr. D. Hudson, Dexter Pinkston, Jack Leitner, and Jerry Wall Sorry, I didn't catch you coming in. Um, but we are pleased to have them with us tonight to to give an update uh so that you can see the progress on the construction project. Hey, good [clears throat] evening, everyone. All right, so we've got some footage here, some aerial footage from March 16th. Um, we are looking at the main entrance to the school, um and right now, since right now, Dexter's already um put down the stone in preparation of paving the asphalt uh that is going to bring us up and into the front of the school. Um, as you can see, we've got our front parking lot already paved and ready to go. Um, he's working on forming and pouring the um
009sidewalks that go underneath the covered walkways to the entrance of the school right now. Um we are flying over the building at the moment, and we are in the final stages of installing standing seam roof and the cap sheet on the flat parts of the roof. Um, we continue to the rear of the building, uh which is going to be the bus drop-off and pick-up areas back here. And we've got our sidewalks poured into the into the um back of the school and underneath our covered walkways, and we'll start this side of the building um during spring break. So, our next clip is going to take you inside to some of the classrooms. We've made a lot of progress here. This is the pre-K area. Um, we've got paint on the walls, um since uh
010we've got paint going on the walls, and you can see some of the accent colors. Um, each neighborhood has its own accent colors, and this one is uh wood violet. Um, the LVT floors, you can't see them because they're covered up, but we've got the flooring installed, the interior storefronts to all the classrooms as well. Um, and bathrooms have started with the epoxy flooring, and casework is installed and receiving plumbing fixtures. Next, we're moving into the kindergarten that has this red tomato accent color throughout. Uh, this photo, since we painted the red accent walls in the classrooms and in the learning hub, and I just want to say a little bit about this learning hub. This is a extra space that's um a comfortable learning space outside the classrooms for the students, and it's going
011to be outfitted with a lot of nice furniture so that there's a versatile area taking them outside the classroom as well. Um, going into the classrooms, again, you can see we've got all the casework in there. Um since this has been taken, we've got the bottle filling stations in the classrooms installed, and again, epoxy flooring um is also going on in here as well. So, this is one of the two entrances to the media center. Um, we've got since this video, we've painted the decking and the ductwork that's going to go above the ACT grid ceiling, which is what we'll work on next. Uh, we've got interior windows um going around these flex spaces and some of the hallways that are looking down into your media center, looking at your brick fireplace, which is going
012to get an um an electric fireplace and a mantel made from some cypress wood that's actually taken from the McGarrah Auditorium project that we did um earlier uh last year. Now, we're taking a view of one of the um five staircases to the upstairs. There's two main ones, and some are at the end of the learning hubs. Next up is the first grade. So, here, they just installed the flooring when we um took this video, so you can kind of see how the accent colors go throughout the learning space and into the classrooms. Um, since this video has been taken, we've gotten the interior storefronts in, we're prepping for paint, um casework's installed, epoxy flooring's going on, so we've got a lot of movement in here, but I'm I'm glad we got to see this
013one so you guys could actually see the kind of the flow of the flooring and everything. All right, next up is the commons and performance space area. Um, so the commons area is going to be your cafeteria. It's a big, wide-open space that actually has a um divider that comes down from the ceiling so you can separate the performance space from the cafeteria space, but open it up when you need all that um room for parents uh for performances. Um, we've gotten uh the layouts going on right now for the ceiling grid um in the performance area. You can see it's open to the second story up there. >> [clears throat] >> Next, we are moving into the serving area. Another shot. So, here's the serving area for the students, and then we'll take it
014directly into the kitchen area. Uh, we've got the flooring already completed. It's being covered up and protected. Um, we've got the soffit around the hood installed, painted, ACT ceiling grid is in. Um, we're getting an overhead in that in a couple of weeks. As soon as we get the dishwasher area um completed, we've got um in April, we've got the kitchen equipment scheduled to come in, and we'll be wrapping up the kitchen and closing those doors and moving on to another area. Does anybody have any questions or Well, thank you again for letting us present, and we are so excited about this school opening and for the kids and parents and teachers and staff at Sunset Park. Uh, it's going to be a great place to learn, and we're so happy that we're a part
015of it. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you, and on behalf of of the board and and certainly of the community, I think it's amazing for us to be able to see the video cuz it makes it look like we are all in the building, and I think that that it just gives a picture of the school coming to place. So, thank you for all you do, and we look forward to the summer. Thank you. My pleasure. >> [clears throat] >> I have just one question. Mr. Leitner knows this question has got me. Are we on time and on the budget? It would be me if I didn't ask. Are we on time and on the budget? We battled through the winter, but we are we are on time, and we're within the >> if
016you don't mind using the microphone so the community can hear the answer. Yeah, it was uh it was not a mild winter, but uh it looks like, especially for the next 2 weeks right here, we're out of the woods. So, making a lot of progress, but yes, sir, we're keeping the schedule, and uh we're within the budget. So. And and just the summer. And just remind the public, how much is this building going to cost? What is about six Is it 64? 57. >> 57. 57. So, that's less than what we originally thought then, right? A little [clears throat] less. 57. 57 is construction contract with all the contingencies Well, thank you. Good job. It looks really good from the street. It looks really >> can you see it in person when it's done. It
017is amazing. So, maybe one day, is it possible that I hear Mr. Burns over here hollering heart heart hat, is it? Maybe one day we can take a little tour, is that Would that be a problem if we reached out to one and come over and just take a look at it? We can get a day scheduled. I'd be glad to to take you and walk you around. All right, thank you. Madam Superintendent, you mind if I just reach directly out to one of them to do I would love to see it in person. That would be great. I'd open it up to all board members, of course. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Leitner. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. [clears throat] Thank you. Fantastic news there and next up is
018our report of the superintendents. Dr. Elder, your announcement. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the board. Just a couple of highlights from since our last board meeting. I got to attend the Miracle Park luncheon learn and had the pleasure of sitting with some of our Rock Hill high school students who were helping out with the lunch. They helped serve the meal and they were absolutely delightful. Along with celebrating one of our former teacher of the teacher of the year, I think last year, Megan Caldwell, she was honored as volunteer of the year. And it really drove home to me how important our exceptional student education program is in our schools and how committed we are to our students and making sure that they receive the services and for the needs that they have. And so
019that extending into the community is yet another thing I love about Rock Hill. I also got to attend National History Day at Winthrop. I was truly impressed with the students' projects as well as the amazing staff and all of the work that they do to put such an incredible event on and the partnership with Winthrop of course is always appreciated. A couple of reminders. All student registration is now open for both new and returning students. Program options has closed and the but the virtual option is still open until April 17th. We are working to build and bring back students to Rock Hill schools who maybe have left school for a little bit. We want you back in the classroom and virtual is a great way great way to get back into school and get your
020diploma. The 25-26 climate survey window is also open. We are asking families and school staff to please fill it out this month if they have not already. Details have come in email. Upcoming dates. Spring break, April 6th through 10th. Everybody is cheering, I can hear them. And our next board meeting is April 14th. Executive session will be at 5:00 followed by business meeting at 6:00 p.m. Of course the meeting will as usual be streamed live on our website and Facebook. So thank you for giving me the chance to give you this update. Thank you. That concludes which brings us to other future business. Anybody have anything? I just want to say something very quickly. Dr. Elder, I want to give a major shout out to you our Applied Technology program. And this is kind of
021a personal plug, but my daughter is in the CNA program out there and I want to say to any parent, any employee whose children may have an interest in the medical field, they do a phenomenal job out of that Applied Technology Center. I'm watching my daughter every morning get up and have to be at work at Westminster Towers with her scrubs on. She has to be on the floor by 6:30 in the morning working all day long and just hearing the stories from her taking care of as she calls them her patients. And even immediately before coming to this meeting today, I asked her how was your day at work and she said, well, she told me about the lady she bathed and she told me about the ladies whose hair she did. Then she
022said that one of her patients just wanted to just talk. And so she sat and just talked to her for two hours. So I say to our parents, obviously the medical program is the one I'm most familiar with because that's the one my child is involved in, but I understand all of our programs out there are equally good. So I just want to say, will you please give a major shout out to your staff out there, particularly in your CNA program. I don't know personally, but I understand they're really, really good and one is actually a medical doctor who's retired and is now teaching out in this program. And I just say to any parent, it is second to none. So I just want to put that plug in and make sure that's highlighted. I
023know at some point I hope they'll be able to come before our board and just really make it bring the Applied Technology Center here and we take 30 minutes and just present all the programs that we have out there cuz that I'm just impressed as a parent. I I would >> [clears throat] >> I'll add on to that. Dr. Dalton, thank you for for bringing that up. I would ask all the parents in the community to go if you're interested in learning more, go talk to your guidance counselor about all the great programs that they have there. And every I I never heard that about the the CNA program. You know, I have I have one child that does agriculture, one that does welding. They love it and the other just an additional benefit of
024doing that is that they're they're in these classes with kids at all the schools. So they have friends across all three schools and it's just it's a wonderful thing that our district has. Please talk to your guidance counselor about it so that your kids can be involved. And on that note, also a huge thank you to all of the community and our business owners that have partnered with ATC in various different ways in order to provide these opportunities for our students in these programs. I've had three go through in very different flavors of programs at ATC and I can only second the what the gentleman you said. It is an amazing opportunity. So if you're a parent, check it out. With that, I will entertain a motion to on this week. I was just going
025to say they have a plant sale going on right now. That's yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to right now. Yes, [clears throat] there is a plant sale going on. I believe that information is on it is open to the community. This is plants that are grown by the students over there. I will also say that they are fantastic quality and significantly cheaper than anywhere else in town. So please go help the kids out and buy some pretty plants. With that, I will entertain a motion to adjourn the business meeting. We're still going to be here for a work session afterwards, but motion to adjourn the business meeting. So moved. Thank you, Mr. Burns. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Dr. Dalton. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye.
026All those motion carried 7-0. So for our viewing audience, we do have a work session that is going to start in about two minutes when we have moved our tables around and estimate that that will last until about 7:30. Say thank you. >> Good evening again, and this time welcome to the school board work session. The agenda is our first thing up to discuss or rather approve. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? Motion to approve. Thank you, Ms. Harris. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Ms. Daniels. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries 7-0. And I should also state that just like with the business meeting, the media was notified [clears throat] in writing of the agenda on Sunday, March 22nd. So, we have a
027couple of things on our agenda today. It is the demographic study data follow-up and facility study report. But, I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Elder to introduce the process and her team. Thank you so much, Madam Chair. And as Dr. Wilson, our assistant superintendent of operations, makes his way to the podium to introduce our guest speaker, I just kind of want to set the stage for what we're going to do this evening. This is these next couple of agenda items are in alignment with goal two, board goal two, around optimizing resources. In this particular case, our capital resources. Objective three in the board goals is to ensure that every student learns in a safe, well-maintained, top-tier environment. And I'm going to tell you that our maintenance department and our custodians make every effort
028to and do a fantastic job to ensure that our that our buildings are in good repair and that they're good learning environments, they're clean and well-maintained. However, we know that we have some aging buildings. And you're going to get to see a whole rundown of our elementary schools this evening. We'll do our middle schools, high schools, and our district office buildings at the next work session because this is a lot of data. So, we'll start off with a continuation of our demographic study to answer some of the questions that the board had in the last work session around where students live compared to where they attend. From there, we'll go into looking at our facility study report that will give us a rundown of each elementary school beginning with our most original building first and
029going in chronological order from there. I do think it's important though before we begin to just put this in context that these are long-term decisions that we're going to need to make to ensure that Rock Hill schools thrives into the future. And I know that that is what every single one of us wants. And so, I just want to be super clear that this process, we have to be very clear on what the data is and what the current condition is before we were to move any into any sort of decision-making. Once we're very clear on the data, we will have a community stakeholder group that will form a task force so that we can help have help in the community to make those decisions and inform those decisions. So, I want to just assure
030our community that this is in no way setting us up to shoot from the hip, if you will. That we're going to be thoughtful and purposeful in the decisions we make and creating a long-range plan to address our capital needs. And so, with that, I give it to Mr. Wilson. Thank you, Dr. Elder. Members of the board, as Dr. Elder alluded to, Mr. Britain with LMG is here tonight and he will address the few questions that we had from the demographic study a couple of weeks ago and then he will progress into the facilities assessment. Thank you. Good evening. I won't belabor the point, but this is an addendum to our previous report that we made on [clears throat] in February. We'll start with um it's it's a live-in and attend chart. The first one
031is going to be more or less an orientation chart that kind of gets us all on the same page. It'll be for the middle school, then we'll go on to elementary and high school. Incidentally, this was put together by Cropper GIS. They're different from the cog, but this has been included in the cog report as an appendix. So, it's a comprehensive document inclusive of this. The first slide, as I said, is the middle school. So, roughly getting you oriented, names of schools on the side on the left side, names of schools across the top as well. Enrollment counts on the left column. And then the green diagonal is the ones that live in and attend the school they're zoned for. Far right column is the in yellow is the zone that is the information of
032the students that attend the school but live out of that zone. I did put a couple asterisks. Some of them can be misleading. Sullivan Trail and Sullivan they're have a higher count of live out and attend. Those would be most likely impacted by the choice programs at both those two schools. So, a lot of information here. I'll be happy to try to answer questions before we move on. The rest of it is just interpreting and and understanding the data. A lot more information on the elementary. We have four choice program five choice programs. And as you would imagine, those are higher live out attend in. And Cherry Park, incidentally, has no zone, so everyone there is a attends from out of from another district. And then the high school. Rock Hill and South Pointe are
033the choice facilities. Again, the count mimics what we would have said previously with those higher numbers. With any questions, I'll try to answer them. If not, I'll go right into the assessments. Um And um I'll kind of preface the whole thing. Um I will say before we go, I'll kind of explain the process, but I want to say I want to echo something Dr. Elder said. Spending quite a few hours with the facility staff. And I can tell you, not only do they take pride, they they actually care about what they do. I've been impressed with the level of maintenance that they provide. The facilities look very good, but as Dr. Elder mentioned, you do have an issue with some aging schools. It's not necessarily the brick and the mortar, but it's the the systems
034inside. And so when we go through this, I'm sorry. Um as we go through it, um the things that we really concentrate on are and judge parts and pieces are the life cycle costs. Um HVAC equipment generally is about 15 year. I don't know how many people have dealt with replacing HVAC equipment at their house, but you know, the old saying is don't last like they used to. With that said, y'all we visited we touched every single piece of HVAC equipment in your district. Thousands. And um you'll have some that are back from the '80s. So you're doing a lot with a little. So uh I think your staff needs to be commended uh for that. So kind of backing up a little bit, um the the the perspective that we used in putting this
035together um is a 10-year approach. Uh we look at everything in a 10-year period that will need to be addressed. So maintenance only, no capital projects. Uh >> [clears throat] >> again we use life expectancy. We did a deep dive on HVAC, we did a deep dive on roofing, a deep dive on fire alarm as well. Those are generally two three of the most uh costly items that you'll deal with. Fire alarm systems are one that's really non-negotiable because if you lose fire alarm, you lose life uh safety and that can be uh affect your attendance and uh occupancy of the facility. Um we visited every single facility. We met with either the principal or a uh a representative for the administration for that school. And we talked about things like uh not just maintenance
036related. And some of these things didn't make the maintenance only list, but uh kind of their their vision for the facility we wanted them to have a say so and you know, they live in the building. What would it What would What are things that can make the facility work better uh uh sitting behind a principal's desk. Uh orientational slides We have two slides per facility. Uh we're going to have some enrollment data, both historical. Uh so we showed at the last presentation kind of a glimpse of each facility of over a 10-year period. We also took it and went uh 5 years in the rears, the trailing 5 years to kind of give you uh some context of where it was and where it's going. Um you have some specifics um facility specific data,
037age, capacity, enrollment, size. Um one one little uh data point that I personally track is square foot per student and I'll talk a little bit about that as we go through. Um and then we've got data on 20 years of uh of expenses, what we call history of costs uh of maintenance for each facility. We broke them down into 20 [snorts] to 11 years and then uh 10 years to current. So with any questions there, I'll try to answer them. Um going to kind of spend a little bit of time on the first slide and then uh I'll hit highlights as we go through. Um again, these are uh How do How do you say it? You said it so eloquently. Uh the uh not oldest, but your uh most original. I think that's a
038good way of putting it. Um and you're going to see uh at the top uh the large graph is red is historical and green is the average of the three uh enrollment projections. Uh two by the COG and one by McKibben. And so uh that last data point and dips, I talked about this a little bit briefly uh last time, is because those data points those projections run out and it kind of um causes a uh uh little uh issue with uh with the averages. But with that said, uh the green what is the average of those data points that we presented last time. Uh one thing I will bring up, there's a gap on this and all of them between historical and projections. Um and that is difference between actual and forecast. On the
039left side, uh we got some uh facility data. Uh built in '49 and then any additions. This one has five additions since 1949. Capacity of uh 644 and that capacity is a building capacity as if you put the like 24 25 students in each desk uh in each classroom that was designed to be used as a classroom. Um the district also has data on core capacity. And the difference between those are a lot of times you'll master plan a facility, build the the core larger so that you can add on classrooms in the future. Uh on the reverse of that, sometimes you've got uh schools that have been added on over the years and your student capacity is larger than your actual core capacity. Does that make sense to everyone? Um square foot is 65,000
040square feet and uh square foot per student. These things are going to vary quite a bit as we go through. I will tell you this, um now you're looking at for a new uh elementary, typically you're going to look at a you'll see between 130 and 140 square feet per student. It's just a quick um data point that I use when we're working through a new facility just to make sure it's not uh over designed or too many spaces. Um >> [clears throat] >> but you're going to see around 130 40 if you were to design a brand new build today. A lot of the things like uh they were talking about earlier, the the collaboration spaces that you have in the new elementary, those kind of add to the uh that larger square foot
041per student. Uh and at the bottom is that just a uh section of the uh living at 10 graph that we uh presented that I presented short uh few minutes ago. And then uh the second part of the Evan Port is uh this is kind of a condensed version of what we call our uh DE sheet or detailed estimate sheet for each one of the uh facilities. It has on the right column >> [clears throat] >> the main categories that we track and center is the comments and the far right column is year needed. So you see these numbers, for example, 6.4 million, that's not needed today. It's needed over the the period of of 10 years for the maintenance of this facility. Um for 2005 to 2014, the district spent 1.8 million on the
042facility in various maintenance related items. Some of these will have capital uh numbers inside. And and then from 215 2015 to 2016, they spent uh 4 and 1/2 million, almost 4.6 million. Projected needs here, 4.5 million over the next 10 years. And you can see majority of this is going to be you got a lot of it in roofing and we've got a lot in HVAC. Uh but those are the main cat categories uh that is needed. Any questions? So I'm going to spin through them. If you have questions, please ask. I won't uh spend too much time, but I'll certainly will spend enough time to answer any questions you may have. Uh Oak Knoll Elementary. Uh 1949 as well. Uh six additions over the years. 107 uh square feet per student. Um Oak Knoll
043as well, uh projecting 7.2 million. And incidentally, >> [clears throat] >> you know, something we're again we base these things on life expectancy. That doesn't mean a 15 years that HVAC piece of equipment dies, but you should plan for a replacement schedule on those typical life expectancy uh uh to to become a a true uh preventive maintenance policy or program. >> [snorts] >> Richmond Drive. Um 112 students per square foot. 1949 as well. Richmond Drive is cumulatively about uh 3 and 1/2 million uh 4 and 1/2 million over the last 20 years and projected about 8.7 million over the years. North Side. >> [clears throat] >> Built in '51, two additions uh recently in 2006 and 19. 114 students per square foot, almost 115. Uh 6.2 million of needs over the next 10 years. John,
044a little quick A quick one. And I think it's just my brain right now. On this slide, when you say the past 10 years, Yes, ma'am. but that says 2005 to 2014. Like I I know there's a point that I'm missing here. >> um maybe I wasn't So that's a those first two numbers are a 20-year look at what you've spent in the last 20 years on that facility. We've just broken it down into um 20 to 11 years and then 10 to current. So the top one is from 2005 to 2014, spent 1.7 or 1.17 million. And then from 2015 to 2016, almost 7.7 million. Does that make sense? So Go ahead, Lisa. Yeah, my head might have labeled it differently. I just want I I get your years. So 20 years ago really
045is the 2005 and then the 10 years would be the 2015. It's a small point. I just I to make sure I'm understanding. >> That What's What we call that is kind of a history of capital improvement. We just happen to break it down. I think it it can be context again. I think if you don't break it down into age, it it may be a little easier I think it's easier to understand if you Maybe it's harder to understand but easier to understand the the spending patterns. You'll see this no school has been without. Right. Okay. >> And I think that's the point we're trying to make. They've all had love. It's just they need a lot of it. So to Jim, to that, thank you for Excuse me. Can So that means that
046over the course of 20 years, we've spent a total of eight 8. Almost 8.9. million dollars. Yes. Yes, ma'am. Okay. And then in the future, next 10 years, you should be planning to If you address everything that's on that list, you'll spend another 6.2. Okay. Thank you. Leslie Elementary, 1954. I think Leslie is one of the lower ones on square foot per student. It's 89.8. And core capacity is is under the building capacity, which means over the years it's been expanded without addressing some of the core public spaces. And that's why you would see a lower square foot per student. Jim. And can you You may have said it. Can you I think you said it in the last presentation. Can you explain the difference between core capacity and capacity? Sure. So a good analogy
047is four-bedroom house with two bathrooms. One person lives in each bed bedroom. Those two bathrooms will function. But if you start putting bunk beds in those in those bedrooms, it really stresses your core and the those two restrooms. And core generally is going to be your media center, your circulation I mean yes, some of your circulation space. You have a lot of single-loaded corridors in the district. It impacts your cafeteria space sometimes where you might feel a little tight in there when you're running your lunches. Generally speaking, your restroom counts are are good. This one should be fine because the last addition was 2013, so your restrooms Maybe not great analogy, but you can use the idea of when we're talking about core spaces. Thank you. >> Does that answer your question? >> That's a
048great explanation. Thank you. Leslie spent 2.6 million or so over the last 20 years and it's looking around 10 million dollars over the next 10 years. York Road Elementary, 1971, one addition. Your core capacity is larger than your building capacity, but you're still a lower square foot per student. 1.2 million That can't be right. It was the referendum money. The referendum money. She was on some priority schools. I'm not sure that 2015 and 2016 that might be a typo on me. It may be just 5 million. I'll double check that. Yes, probably an error on me. You're [snorts] looking at almost 10 million dollars over the next 10 years. If I may chime in on York Road Yes. That is probably a typo because in the bond referendum that was canceled by the governor, that
049was on the slate for replacement, which would probably have been in that number. I can't remember exactly, but that obviously never took place because the bond was canceled. I'll get that addressed and correct correct the posture. Mount Gallant, >> [clears throat] >> 1977, two additions. Building capacity 667, but you have room in the core. 67,000 feet, 100 square feet per student. This is one where they actually align with the historical and the projections. Mount Gallant 2.9 million, 2.8 million over the last 10 years. And roughly 9.5 million over the next 10 years. Independence Elementary School 78, one addition. 621 on the capacity and 101.7 square feet per student. And you're going to see most of the When I say older schools, the the older schools, I don't mean any disrespect, but they are generally in
050that low 100s per square foot. That's just kind of how we designed buildings back then. 3.5 >> [cough] >> million or so over the last 20 years and then 9.5 projected moving forward over the next 10 years. Incidentally, we do have I I spoke about this last time, but the black line at the top is the capacity of that facility. It represented on the the data points on the bottom left. This one, your capacity is 680, but your core is 480, which is we're down a little lack a little bit there. 107 square feet per student. Again, spent some money there over the last since 2015, but we're roughly a little over 12 million and we're projecting another 7.2 over the next 10 years. South Central Child Development, no [cough and clears throat] additions, capacity
051230. We didn't have a exact number, but around 213 is what the most recent data point was. 24,000 feet, 108. If I'm not mistaken, this is a K4 facility. Correct? Yes. South Central Child Development, 170,000, roughly 1.6 million over the last 20 years. And then projected another 3.3 over the next 10. Oak Point, 2002 as well. Had one addition and you're starting to creep up on the square feet per student, which you would think that's that's what you would expect. You started designing larger spaces in the in that time frame. 2.7 over the last 20 years and 8.6 over the next 10 years. India Hook, 2007, 696 90, 113 square feet per student. million It's hard way you can build things that cheap back then. Roughly 18 million over the last since it was born
052and then you've got about 8.5 million in the next 10 years. Mount Holly Elementary. This one looks like it was built to be able to add on to master plan, which I think is very smart. Um 110 square feet per student, around 75,000, 76,000 square feet. Again, roughly 16 or 16 million since it was born and projecting another 11.2 million. You know, years 15 to 20 are pretty tough years for a building. We're starting to see building components starting aging out, so these higher numbers are what you would expect to see. >> [clears throat] >> Chair Park Elementary, 2018, 900 900, 108 square feet per student. And the projection is not really accurate here because it's a choice school and you you lock it to whatever you want it to lock. >> [snorts] >> And
053then Chair Park, since it was born, almost over 28 million 3 million looking forward to the next 10 years, which is kind of what you would expect. And then Sunset Park, this is going to be kind of a quasi covered [clears throat] We're carrying some costs associated with some roofing components with the um parts of the building that you're going to retain on that site. So 1954 is originally when that building was built, but we'll be opening thanks to Mr. Lightner to um in 2026. >> [clears throat] >> And so the square foot per student is kind of what you are generally it's in the slot of what you would see now. When I go to any district, you design a new elementary. That's those are numbers you're going to see. So, your your it's
054an appropriate size for that capacity. >> [snorts] >> And then this is just some roof related cost of keeping portions of that building. Those are the cost that we've had to date. The 52 million was to date. It does not include full cost that has not been invoiced on that school. And the if you were to keep the old facility, I think you're right. I'm not sure what we have there, but that's an incorrect number. You have zero moving forward. Mr. Braden, may I ask you a quick question? Maybe I just totally missed it somewhere in the presentation. So, pardon me. I thought we were grazing Sunset Park. Did I understand we're keeping part of it? Going to be marked off. So, when we spent in in Yeah, you may be able to speak better
055than I. You want me to Is that what you Yeah. Thank you. I'll say it. The main Sunset Mr. Wilson comes up and addresses. There were There were discussions about keeping the office area up front as a normal portion of the the building. Currently, we have technology housed in Bellevue and they're in the cafeteria area of that. So, the thought was to keep that front section. That would become the hub for technology. So, that's the only portion that you're talking about keeping is right in front of the park main parking lot area. New part of Sunset. Right. That's the only part you're talking about keeping. And that may be where the the money comes from when he's talking about the roofing cuz that would have to be addressed at some point. Just on that one
056space section. Thank you. And it would be specifically A1, B1, Z1, Z2. We have full blown charts of things you've all done in the past. This brings a good point. Things you've all done in the past cuz you've you've not had the resources to replace the roof kind of at one shot. You've all done a section at a time, which is you know, kind of what you've had to do. But to get in a you know, you're touching that roof three or four times in a 20 year period. And you were trying to get into a preventive maintenance cycle where you're only touching it every 20 years. So, there's some of these roofs have broken down and some of them have 10 15 different years on the facility. And then we have a recap sheet.
057This is just all combined of all those charts that we showed earlier. Current capacity enrollment at the end of end of year 25 26 was 6900 in the elementary and we open up the you have 9400 8400. And then when you open it's you'll have that extra capacity with Sunset Park. And then this is one This is a chart that we use a lot. It kind of gives you a kind of a breakdown. We showed you just a list of things, but it kind of shows you where those those dollars and cents are in in the systems. For example, you know, HVAC at 21 million dollars. Roofs you have 15 million dollars just in that total of 109 million. That's a substantial portion of it. One other area that's really high or or larger is
058the renovations. And and so, generally speaking, the rule of thumb is every 20 25 years you start you do a renovation where you address flooring, ceilings, paint, the kind of lipstick and rouge of the facility. >> [snorts] >> But you also get into those generally coincide with times to do HVAC or some of the heavier lifting components of the building. And with that, I will take any questions that you may have. And just a note for the viewing audience that, you know, the board has had this data for about a week and have had a lot of time to study it and and so forth. So, when you hear the silence coming from the board, it is not because we have not spent a lot of time examining these data points in small group as
059well as on our own. So, just wanted to point that out. I I don't have a question. I have a Well, I do have a question and it's just a statement to my colleagues. I do appreciate that the elder you and your team, particularly Mr. Wilson, and thank you all for doing this. I think we do have some some pretty big decisions ahead of us. I'm not a builder, but I've got a little bit of common sense and what I think I hear when [clears throat] we distill all these slides down is Rock Hill schools has some significant needs as it relates to our physical facilities and that some decisions are going to have to be made by this board and this community in very short order if our students are going to have decent
060safe comfortable places to be educated. Is Is Would that be an accurate statement? You know, I I hate to use say it because every single year facilities they've gone through and they've added the security vestibules. That's you know, in 1949 we didn't have bad actors that we have now. And so, that's something that we've had to be reactive. Every district has had to. And and so, security is is one thing that I think is a non-negotiable for any district. I know it is with Rock Hill. So, but the point you made that there are some challenges is no different than a lot of districts. As soon as you open the doors, it's time to start planning for replacements. You need to kind of know about it and see it coming on your dashboard. So, it's
061it's not surprising. And that's the what we're I think we're trying to get into is where we're trying to eliminate the majority of the surprises. And they're hard to react to. You have a 2 million dollar roof issue that you didn't know about last year that you got to deal with this year kind of thing. And I I'm not using I'm just using it as an example. I'm not saying you have the And I think one in in some ways we're also our own worst enemy in the sense that we have been very blessed with the maintenance department and a that are doing a fantastic job of maintaining older buildings. But that also means that some of the systems that you can't see from the street or even from inside of the building. But you
062know, things that are hidden that are aging is not necessarily known to the public. And I think that as we go through this process, these learning sessions together with involvement of the community and the committee that you were talking about is going to give us an opportunity to analyze exactly what we have to do well in the end what we need to do in order to educate our kids the best way. Mr. Braden, to your point, I I was shocked with Oak Point and Mount Holly that they're nearly 20 year old buildings. But they look, you know, they look they are well main well well maintained. And even Sunset Park. It's a question. I mean, cuz some of the buildings that were built in the early 2000s need in the next 10 years need 10
063million dollars worth of work just like the buildings that were built 70 years ago need 10 million dollars worth of work. Is it just because the AC systems are coming to that point and and the other One thing in 2006-ish, the district did a furnace contract and they I don't know specifics, but when we when we inventory your HVAC systems, we captured brand, manufacturer, model number, serial numbers, date of manufacture. And you've got probably 50% of the HVAC equipment in the district is 2006 2007. And so, it's And that's And that's hard for anybody to deal with, you know, on the But at the time it's probably the right decision because you had they're probably in the same situation we are now. So, what do you see as a lot of districts do? So, you've
064got a early 2000s building. So, it needs 10 million dollars worth of work just like say a 1950s building. But so, you did you did a 10 million dollars worth of work and get it to that whole 50 year lifespan of that building and then most districts stop after that? Um I mean, you're always going to have current deferred future maintenance. Those are the three categories. So, you're always going to be And maybe I misunderstood your question, but you're always going to be kind of in some type of fire fighting. You're going to have all some issues every day. Some of your plumb Some of these buildings plumbing systems in some of these older buildings are terracotta sewer lines, which was what they did back then. I mean, so you've got clay pipe that's handling
065your sanitary. And some of the most of them are where you used to do it, you'd you'd put them down the corridor. And so, the only way to get into the fixtures dig up the entire tear up the concrete. And that's not something you can do with the shorter summers. You really can't get in there and do it. So, it's the the the scheduling of the summers is a lot more difficult to address maintenance too. Like full blown HVAC, how do some districts do it? They they will address, you know, you've got a mix of hydronic systems, which is like your old four pipe system, radiator type where you have fan coils. And then you have splits or package units, which splits is kind of what you have at your house. And those are your
066maintenance folks can handle those. But when you get to a a big 200-ton, 250-ton chiller system, that takes some really some outside expertise to address that. So, and when a chiller plant goes down, the whole system goes down. Uh unless you've got a redundant chiller in some of those facilities. High schools do, most of the others don't. Did that answer your question? Somewhat, yeah. Yeah, I I know we're getting down in the weeds, but this chiller system, I I think I'm just trying to just trying to understand it. I remember last year something went down at Northwestern and we ended up having to bring in I'm looking at you cuz I guess you you're all-knowing, Scott. You're looking like, "Why are you?" But we had something go down at Northwestern and we had to bring
067in a big 18-wheeler out here to hook up to something to get air conditioning through the building. Is that what you're referring to >> It probably was a mobile chiller system. >> I understood we were paying like $30,000 a day or something to to rent that facility to rent that piece of equipment. >> was, it was a ridiculous cost. >> That system, that chiller could be three, four hundred thousand dollars to to buy. And that's what we have currently going on at at Old Point. We're we're in the process of scheduling to replace the chiller there this summer. So, we have something similar even though that's a newer building, still the same type process. Yeah, but it's nearly 20 years old. So, we have 15-year window that you're talking >> 20 years out of a
068chiller, you're doing pretty good. Thank you. Any questions? It's been my pleasure. Thank you. Oh, oh, come on. I didn't >> [laughter] >> That's just me. Always always me. Um just refresh my memory. This does go back to your enrollment projections. So, I know we heard and saw it, but then once I saw your facility study, this went back to um for your projections. Are they including planned for or unbuilt communities, or is it only based on things that are currently permitted within your 10-year projection? I'm going to take a stab at it. COG put it together, but uh we've worked together in the past and if it's not a So, they they will canvas and interview all the municipalities that are involved in that make up the district. And so, one of the things
069they look through because building permits is a big item for the COG. Uh they look at anything that has been permitted uh lots. It doesn't have to be under construction yet, but it's got to be permitted in in the local municipality or the AHJ that's governing that area would have that information. If someone owns, you know, "I just bought 200 acres. I'm thinking about doing this," it wouldn't be a part of that. Did that answer your question? It does. I just I know we're in we currently see a decline in enrollment, but we also know that Raquel over the next 10 years could potentially grow, and as you're making decisions, kind of keep that in mind. The other thing for the community is obviously tonight it was an overview of elementary. Uh the next step
070in the series, correct me if I'm wrong, is going to be middle and high school and um our other facilities, whether it may be ATC or buildings that we own that are utilized by different entities like NASA. So, that is step two in this presentation series. Right. So, I believe that now we can say thank you, I think so. I'll entertain it. Thank you. Okay. So, um we will At this point, I guess entertain a motion to adjourn the work session. And then we will get together next time, talk about secondary and other buildings. >> [snorts] >> Right? So, with that, uh thank you, Mr. Barnes. Do I have a second? I second. >> Thank you. Uh Ms. Harris, any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor. All opposed, motion carries 7-0.