SKSD November 3, 2021 Board Meeting

001We do a quick audio check. John Berg here, can you hear me? Yes, thank you. Rebecca Deal? No. Mine says switch to something. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, great. Yes, I can hear. Okay, can we hear Director Daley? Okay. I see you. I see you wave, but I don't know if we can hear you. Could you please unmute and just ask to make sure we can hear you? Okay. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Superintendent Winter, can we hear you? I'm here. Okay, we can hear that. And we are missing Director Sebrin. Well, we have a quorum, so we will begin. Welcome to the, recording started? Yes. Welcome to the November 3rd, 2021 tool board meeting in the South GitHub Tool District. This is a remote meeting for Governor Inslee's Proclamation

00220-28. The meeting is open to the public through an online Zoom webinar. Public comment is available to those wishing to address the board. Pre-registration was required by 3 p.m. today. For those wishing to make public comment in writing, they do so by emailing comments to publiccomment at skschools.org. Comments will be shared with the board, but not read at the meeting. And 1.03, Pledge of Allegiance. And I will lead the Pledge of Allegiance until we see when we see the flag up. I think Amy's probably working on getting Liz on. Oh, okay. Well, let me. Oh, here we go. Okay, there's the flag. Good. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Are

003we still working on getting Director Siebern online? Yes, I will see if I can get a hold of her. Okay. She's joining right now. She was in as an attendee. Okay, okay. I see her. Item 2.01, Adopt the Agenda. Is there any objection to adopting the agenda as presented? Director Daley? I have several comments. First of all, there's nothing here on the agenda dealing with student achievement. We're supposed to have over 50 percent of our agenda dedicated to student achievement and progress. So I'm not sure why we're even meeting if we're not here to discuss student achievement. That's the commitment we have with the Aspen group. Okay, you'll have the opportunity to participate in the next agenda planning meeting. It should be this way every way. Second one, I don't see OE6, financial administration. It's

004on our calendar. Winder, did you want to respond to that? Yeah, we talked about this at agenda planning. I wasn't able to get OE6 completed, and so we've moved that to an open spot in December, and that was approved at the Board of Agenda Planning. If that's not going to work for the board collectively, I can get that initial review done for the 17th. Okay. On the consent item, consent agenda, I realize our intent is not to discuss the items, but you need to be aware that the board created its own financial review committee for reviewing financial items. So basically, when does the committee report its findings if we're not going to discuss the consent item? So I'll leave that open, but I want that on the record here. And finally, I'd like items 9.01,

0059.02, and 9.03 removed from the agenda. 9.01, 2, and 3, that would be the- I'm sorry, 2, 3, and 4, sorry. Somebody added 9.01. Okay, so that would be the consideration of the bylaws, the governance culture policies, and the board superintendent relation policies. That's correct. The motion is to strike it, to remove it from the consent agenda. So the motion is to strike it from the agenda altogether. That's correct. Okay, the motion is to strike items 9.02, 9.03, and 9.04 from the board agenda. Is there any discussion? Director Daly? Well, several of the items are under litigation, which means it's illegal to alter them. Some of them are illegal to institute, I believe, and they haven't been approved by the Aspen group. So since I've not been privy to any discussion on any of them

006or why we're having changes, I don't think we should be discussing them until they've all gone through with the Aspen group and gotten their approval and blessing. Director Daly? Director Daly, would you be good with discussing this at the board work study with Aspen group in January? That would be fine, because that's the new directors, and they're the ones most affected by this. So they're going to have to live with whatever is decided, and not to be trite here, but I believe some of you only have maybe one or two meetings left, and I think it should be left to those that are coming in versus those that are going out. And I would just- That's just a courtesy. And I would like to- I am in favor of removing these from the agenda, because

007I am going- I wouldn't be voting for them, and I would like them to be vetted through the work study in January. Do any other discussion? My comment would be that they have been approved by the Aspen group. We have that note in board docs. I believe it's under the 9.03. We have the email from the Aspen group saying that they're okay with the policies that we have. Regarding the new board being stuck with what we adopt, they're not stuck with it. They're free to change it if they don't like it. And the email I have from the Aspen group says they're not approved. Well, this was the email as of November 3rd. I don't have a November 3rd email. It's on board docs. I don't care where it is. I'm telling you I don't

008have it, and it's not approved by Aspen group, because I didn't have any input to it. Director Siever, do you have any comment on that? Well, I believe the things that are in those documents are what we discussed in our last training, and there have been no changes to that from our last training. And then also I see that you took- you and Director Beale took their advice and moved some things out of our OEs into where they should be. So I don't have any problem at all with the documents. The intended putting it on the agenda would be this would be a first reading where we can have more chance to discuss it, that it would- if we have any fine tuning, we can make our final decision at the next meeting. That was

009the intent in putting it on the agenda at this meeting. It doesn't state first reading, so I didn't know that. Right. It didn't state first reading. Is there any further discussion? Okay, you're hearing no further discussion. The question is on removing 9.03, 9.02, 9.03, and 9.0E from the agenda. All in favor of removing them from the agenda, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. No. No. Tie vote. The motion fails. Those three items are still on the agenda. Director Daley, did you have any other comments on the agenda? No. Okay. The question is on adopting the agenda as presented. All in- is there any further discussion on the agenda? All in favor of adopting the agenda as presented, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. Those

010opposed, raise your hand and say no. No. The ayes have it. The motion is adopted. Next item is 3.01, staff and student recognition. Superintendent Winter. So thank you. As is our tradition, the first board meeting of the month is where we celebrate NIBs, nurturing growth, inspiring achievement, building community. We have quite a few NIBs tonight. So with that, I will turn over to Amy Miller to recognize and celebrate some success in our district. Amy. Thank you, Superintendent Winter. And yes, we have a great group of NIBs tonight. So I'll get started here. So the first one is a student at South Kitsap High School, Owen Bizak. Owen was on his- oh, and he was nominated by Heather Hanks. Owen was on his way home late on Friday afternoon and took the time to help one

011of our custodians and classified staff carry large heavy equipment upstairs. This was really something he easily could have avoided, especially so late after school. He took a little time out of his day to make life easier and demonstrated some really kind and upstanding behavior. Way to go, Owen. The next two students were nominated by Barb Zalacki at South Kitsap High School. And this is Isaiah Massiani and Luke Fenton. So Luke and Zaya are students in my physical science class at South Kitsap High School. We had a new student, Nolan, join the class who needed seating accommodations and daily assistance with obtaining and returning items from his backpack. From day one, both Luke and Zaya stepped up to make Nolan's in-class experience productive and inclusive. Our classroom is at capacity and the best seats are at

012a premium. Without hesitation, Luke volunteered to give up a seat so Nolan could have easy access into and out of class. Zaya helps Nolan set up for class and pack up at the end. I'm so proud of these two young men who are an example of what it means to be altruistic and put others before themselves. This is why I love working at SK. Our students are amazing. The next one is Jerry Bigler. Jerry was nominated by Earl Smith. Lead district security officer Jerry Bigler exemplifies what it means to be a nib. It isn't just one act or accomplishment. It's his dedication and daily work ethic that makes him stand out. Jerry shows up to work ready to do whatever needs to be done. He represents himself, the safety security team, and the entire district

013in a positive light. Anytime he takes on a task, he does so with a positive can-do attitude, which is inspiring achievement. Jerry's well-liked and respected by his co-workers and staff across the district. No matter the challenge presented to him, he's always willing to collaborate and find a solution. Jerry's worthy of this recognition and a great example of what it is to do things the SK way. Well done, Jerry. He's been nominated before, but well-deserving. The next one is Loretta Mays. Oh, sorry about that, Loretta. I spelled your name wrong. Loretta Mays from transportation. Loretta is an outstanding South Kitsap employee. She fosters a positive welcoming environment on her school bus. She leads chants and cheers with the kids so they enjoy their experience. On top of being an exemplary bus driver, she's volunteered countless hours

014to beautify the playground at Sunnyslope. Most recently, she revitalized the U.S. map and painted a colorful four-square spot for students to play. Loretta does this volunteer work on weekends and after long days of driving her bus routes. Loretta is a true inspiration to those around her. The next one is Andrea Keller. She's a social worker here in the district and she was nominated by Andy Wharton. Andrea Keller's grit and guidance are the caliber of a CEO or five-star general. She spends her days dedicated to students and staff of the South Kitsap school district who are experiencing hardship and crisis. She's regularly exposed to vicarious trauma in order to find ways to care for people, yet she remains resilient and always shows up. She's a true professional who loves her job and the humans she serves,

015leading by example through times of uncertainty and inspiring everyone she meets to keep going. She's improved the lives of countless people and is certain to improve the lives of infinitely more. South Kitsap community is truly a better place with Andrea in it. Wow, that's very touching. Nice. The next one is Marianne Vandornik and she was nominated by Haley Mishko. Marianne's constantly providing staff with heartfelt notes of encouragement and appreciation. She makes everyone in the building feel important and supported. If others are struggling, she gathers volunteers to take things off their plate. She makes our staff feel like a team. Well done, Marianne. The next one is Emily Guantango. I apologize if I mispronounce that. From Manchester and she was nominated by Katherine Smith. Miss Guantango goes above and beyond her duties as a one-on-one paraeducator

016in my fourth grade classroom. She helps other students when she sees I'm occupied and helps to maintain my classroom without being asked. My students absolutely adore her calm, supportive presence. Our classroom would not be the same without her. Thank you, Miss G. The next one is Kim Robinson and Kim was nominated by Bridget Gromberg at Sydney Glenn. Kim's a paraeducator who goes above and beyond what's expected of her. She's patient, kind and works well with students needing extra guidance and support. She advocates and put the needs of the students first. Kim is a leader, someone I look up to and a person I go to for advice. She's irreplaceable and I'm lucky enough to call her not only a co-worker but also a friend. Thank you, Kim, for your dedication and hard work. The next

017one is Sarah Long in our health services and she was nominated by Rebecca Chandler. Sarah continues to go above and beyond daily working as a valued nurse for our district. She's always flexible and willing to help where needed. This year at South Colby and EPO she's been essential in caring for students, assisting with COVID protocols and contact tracing. We are lucky to have Sarah working in South Kitsap. Next one is Liz Martin from East Port Orchard and she was nominated by her co-worker Alex Sidlecki. Liz is an amazing para for our school's social communication classroom. She started the year off working very closely with one of my students who had only ever done online schooling. Liz not only helped him adjust to in-person learning but she also helped all of the other students in the

018classroom, settled into norms and work on routine. She's always ready and willing and able to help at a moment's notice, always doing what she knows is best for students. She's truly helping our school community do its best and step up to any challenge that she faces. The next one is Heather Tarr from Orchard Heights and Heather was nominated by J.C. Lansing. Heather goes above and beyond every day for her students. Her students can count on her to be consistent and fair while holding them to their expectations. She's dependable and flexible and will fill in wherever she's needed. Heather's a joy to work with and an asset to our school. Thank you Miss Heather. This is Bridget Grunberg from Sydney Glenn and she was nominated by Stacey Tate. Mrs. Grunberg goes above and beyond with her

019students. She's the kind of teacher that advocates for her students and always does what is best. Thank you Miss Bridget. Next one is Jeannette Sandoval from Orchard Heights and she was nominated by Mark Leshley. Jeannette has only been teaching about six years but she's established herself as one of the outstanding teachers in her building and her district. Year after year her classrooms have been a place where her students know they are safe and loved and have high expectations. Miss Sandoval has established herself as a leader in the Orchard Heights community. She's become one of the experts in our building for Google suite having earned the Google educator level one certification. This year Jeannette's volunteered to serve as the building tech representative. Because of her dedication to that responsibility all our students have access to Chromebooks

020and they're working properly and because of that dedication her colleagues tech issues are solved quickly. Miss Sandoval has been involved with Orchard Heights PTSO, Girl Scouts, and community sports teams with her children. She's a picture of balance between personal life and professional life and deserves to be recognized by the entire district. This is Jennifer Blowers at Burleigh Glenwood and she was nominated by Randy Elkins. Jennifer has shown excellence this school year and has demonstrated what it means to nurture growth, inspire achievement, and build community. After student teaching this fall she stepped into a long-term sub position and has exceeded expectations from all. Her commitment to student care and parent connection is shown in every interaction. Pulling from her experience as a parent educator, Jennifer makes learning individualized for students while simultaneously engaging students in making

021connections as they learn as a whole class. Jennifer embodies the SK way and is a gift to the Burleigh community. And finally last but not least this is the Sunshine team from Orchard Heights, Jessica Ames, Alicia Bennett-Bitch, Jesse Jones, and Kate Noble and they were nominated by Kathy Robinson. While we undeniably find great meaning and joy in the work that we do in schools, being an educator is hard. Right now more than ever supporting and celebrating our colleagues in our building is a crucial element that helps educators sustain the energy and well-being to meet the needs of students. At Orchard Heights the Sunshine team spreads light and love throughout the long school year. Whether they're organizing meal trains for staff member in need, coordinating events, even virtually, to celebrate new babies, or just placing thoughtful

022notes in mailboxes at the right moment, with gratitude we celebrate these fantastic women who light up their colleagues and make the school environment brighter for kids. So well done everybody. That was a really great list and I'm so happy to see students and staff recognized. So there's a lot of great things going on in South Kitsap. So thank you everyone. And I believe we have a retirement recognition. Yeah that's next. Just one second. Yes we have a retirement recognition. Mr. Mike Johans is retiring from his position as head custodian at East Port Orchard and Mike was with South Kitsap for more than 24 years. So thank you and best wishes to you Mr. Mike. Thank you. Any comment on the student recognition? Next item is 3.02 highlights from the superintendent. So tonight what I would

023like to share is the feedback from our district culture survey. I said that earlier to you this week but we also shared that earlier this week with our entire district. Our purpose for this survey was to get some feedback on district culture. That was the focus and the questions were specific to district culture. We wanted to get a gauge temperature check on how things were doing and we also felt like we would get some feedback that would help us create an action plan to continue to move our district forward and that's exactly what we got. So this first slide what you see is a little bit of demographic data. One of the things we did with the survey is that we utilized a third party because there always is some concern about anonymity and we

024wanted to make sure that people felt comfortable in the survey. So what I'm going to show tonight is the the bar graphs that respond to the questions and then I'm also going to share some of the themes that came out of the comments as well as what we're going to do next because this isn't just a one survey and done. This is a process that we're engaging in to really hopefully make some positive change in the district. So the first question as you can see was I have a good understanding of the mission and vision of the district and so the scale that you'll see on these one is strongly disagree, two would be disagree, three would probably be somewhere neutral, four is agree, five is strongly agree. So I have a good understanding of

025the mission and vision of the district. The next one I know about and understand the top five priorities for our district. Generally my feelings about the South Kitsap School District and the work I do here are, so you can see where people rated themselves there, our staff team is all working towards the same goals. Collaboration between departments and staff is, so this one was non-existent all the way up to excellent and encouraged. I believe in our leadership's vision and priorities for the district. I get the support that I need from my leadership. The South Kitsap School District is moving in the right direction. On the resistance to change scale, South Kitsap School District is, and number one was stuck in their old ways and number five is ready for change and growth. I'm here because

026I want to be. My growth and development is important to the district leadership. I have the tools I need to be successful. We do a good job of celebrating and promoting our successes. At South Kitsap our students get the support they need to become confident learners, effective communicators, critical thinkers, and leaders and this question came from our learner profile that came from our board ends. So that was a good one to get a feel for where we feel our students are. So we asked four questions that were open for comments. The first one was when it comes to the district and my work, I can, I am proud of blank and we took some comments there. Another question was if you disagree that the district is moving in the right direction, why? And we got

027comments there. The third one was your comments on the districts resistant to change. And the fourth one was how can we improve the way we celebrate and promote our successes? So we went through all the comments and we tried to pull out some themes. So these were not direct quotes, but they are combined quotes that when two or more people comment on a same thing, we put that in there. So for example, the second to last bullet, we provide opportunities for all students. That was a common theme, but also a common theme related to CTE. So that CTE came up a number of times. And then you can also see that we provide program support and opportunities for all students, including our students with IUP. So these are some important things we felt like we

028really wanted to share so that our district could see some of the positive things. But I love the fact that we have dedicated staff who are giving everything they have in support of student success. And again, I mentioned this last meeting, it has been a challenge and it continues to be a challenge. And for whatever reason, it's not getting any easier, but we continue to succeed. The second bullet, kids come first, which I love that statement. And then we're building collaborative relationships and improving curriculum and there's hope for the future and focus on growth. So those are some of the themes that we were able to pull out from the comment, really the question when it comes to district in my work, I'm proud of this. So that was the first part. But again, one

029of the things we really wanted was feedback on areas for growth. And so we took a lot of the comments out of the question, if you disagree, the district is moving in the right direction. Why would you disagree? And again, taking all the comments, we came up with five themes that we think are important areas for growth that our staff has told us we need to work on. And those five things are trust, staff appreciation and recognition, leadership, communication, and vision and direction. So you can see elements of that throughout the bar graphs that we showed. But getting the feedback from staff and then putting it back out is not enough. We want to go deeper. So here's what our next steps are. We want to dig deeper into each of the identified areas for

030improvement with a weekly thought exchange survey. So we sent out a thought exchange survey on Monday. And the question the focus was on trust. And the question was share your thoughts on how we can work together to build trust within the South Kitsap School District. And we're getting some good feedback and some good suggestions and ideas on maybe why we don't have trust or what we can do to build that. So that survey will go through the end of this week. And then the other four or one week at a time, we will go through and gather data through the thought exchange on those topics. And that'll take us into December. And then our plan is to take all of that information and create an action plan based on those five themes that will address

031the areas of improvement based on what our staff has told us. So I'm excited that we're getting good feedback. I was excited that for the majority of it was fairly positive. It was a rough time of year to give a survey, but we felt it was really important. We'd like to use the same survey on a consistent basis. So we have now some baseline data and we can measure our growth. But I think the most important thing is to show that we want feedback, we listen, and we're going to do something with it. So the proof is in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words. So when we put our action plan together, I think the expectation for our district staff should be that we are going to follow through on those actions. And as

032we build on this culture survey with the staff, we also want to get into surveys that ask our students some questions and also ask our parents some questions. So that's a big piece of the checkpoints in our priority plan. It also matches our operational expectations and some of the indicators that I'll be presenting throughout the year. And this will be some evidence. This survey and others that I've mentioned will be some of that evidence to show that we are meeting the expectations of the board and the district. So that's what I wanted to share this evening under highlights from the superintendent. I'd be happy to take any questions. Are there any questions? I've got a couple. Go ahead, Director Daly. So first of all, uh, so 471 folks took the survey. Yep. And we have

033how many in the district? Just about 1400. Okay. Uh, so I think, uh, I think you're headed on the right direction. Is, is the survey separate from the district? In other words, it's not on the district server. Correct. Okay. Um, where are we on? So the CDC and all kinds of people just approved shots for five to 11. So everybody's seen the news. So last I heard the OSPI chief, uh, Mr. Reichdahl said he wants a mandatory into the schools. So what are we thinking in terms of that? When I guess I should say, when do we expect some type of guidance? And then if we get that guidance, are we looking at setting up clinics within the district to help with that? So I want to make sure that everyone is clear. Last Thursday,

034Superintendent Reichdahl from OSPI held a press conference and the comment that was made in the press conference was that there will not be a vaccine mandate for students this school year. That was his comment last Thursday. Now it concerns me a little bit that he said this school year, because we don't know what the future holds, but, but I think parents can rest easy at this point, um, that there is no mandate for, um, vaccines for our students. At the same time, we really, uh, we will be working with Kitsap Public Health and Peninsula Community Health to provide opportunities for our students to get vaccinated if they choose to do so. And, um, and that'll be upcoming as, as this starts to roll out and we get, we get further along, but, but that is

035the status of, uh, student vaccinations at this point. Are there any other questions or comments? So where are we on the pool? We're still in the bid process. So we're waiting for, um, that process to take place. And one, as soon as we get some information on that, we'll bring that back to the board. Okay. And when, when do we expect the financial briefing? I believe the first, uh, are you talking about the budget, the monthly budget status report? And that'll either be at the next board meeting or the first or, or the, I will say the first one or one of the meetings in December. It depends on, um, we just closed out our, our, um, our budget from last year. And, and so we'll have to check with our business office to see

036when they're ready to present that. Okay. And then the last question, uh, I know there was a email sent out concerning, uh, transportation situation. So did that go to all parents? No, we're working on a communication right now to all parents. What we've been doing, um, in the last week or so is communicating to those parents who were impacted by the bus routes. And a couple of things I want to make clear that, uh, we normally run 82 to 84 routes and we're running 70 right now. And that's because of lack of drivers. Uh, and that's, that's a statewide, nationwide problem. If you, if you read the news, there's, uh, it's happening everywhere. But what we're now in a situation where we're trying to balance out routes and trying to be equitable, meaning two things.

037One is, uh, trying not to impact routes and schools that strongly rely on bus transportation versus, uh, parent or walking. And then the second is trying not to impact the same group of students, uh, every week. And we met with some principals this week. Uh, we know that it is not a good situation, but one of the things that was decided was that we would start putting that information out to all parents in the district. Uh, we don't want anyone to think that we're picking on one route or one school, uh, but it is a situation that we're working through. I really appreciate all that's happening in our transportation department in a really, really tough situation. Uh, nobody wants to have routes that are canceled and we're, we're doing our very best to make sure

038that, uh, that we get our students to school. And that is our priority. Okay. Thank you. I just want to say thank you for the, thank you for the survey and thank you for, um, being thorough and putting those out there and, and for taking it outside the school district to create that trust. So I really appreciate it. I look forward to the upcoming reports and the growth that we'll have. So thank you very much for sharing that and that making that available so we can look at it again. Are there any further questions or comments? Okay. Next agenda item 4.01 operational expectation five financial planning. And what we have here is a superintendent's interpretation and indicator proposed indicators of compliance. And, uh, when we hear that, then we'll decide whether or not we consider

039those reasonable superintendent winner. Thank you. So, uh, I was doing some, some research back. This is year three for me. This is the third variation of an operational expectation around financial planning. So it's in year three, it's another brand new, um, operational expectation. It's a fairly clear policy because it deals with the financial piece. Um, and so what we've done in, in the indicators and the interpretation is included, uh, the evidence that we normally utilize within our system as, as the evidence of compliance and meeting the expectations. So those things would be things like, this is not all inclusive, but things like the F one 95, the F one 96, our annual budget presentation that we saw on July 21st this year, monthly budget status reports, both the long version of the report and the

040board presentation version. We also utilize our state audits, OSPI's approval of our budget and things like our capital levy project presentation. So those are things that we have available to us that we utilize. They're part of our system. We've used them for a long time. Um, I did receive some feedback from board members, which I appreciate, uh, that maybe there's some other forms of evidence that we could utilize to, to dig a little bit deeper. And, and I don't know exactly, uh, what those might be because we have, I really believe we have good systems set up to show, uh, what we're doing to meet the, the expectations of the policy. But I'm going to present, uh, as, as you see in front of you, the interpretations and the indicators as they're written. Uh, but

041I also, I'm going to look for other forms of, of evidence to show compliance and anyone who has any specific feedback of some things they might want to see, uh, I would be open to that and would bring that forward at the next board meeting and try to share that as I go along. One, one example that was given is an HR report that really lines out if a person leaves, uh, what that cost leaving is versus the person coming in and replacing it, what that cost is. And so just looking at some different ways that we can provide information to the board and the community about the work that we're doing, uh, with our budget. And I can go into greater detail. You've all had a chance to look at it and I can

042go into greater detail on some of these things if you'd like me to. Uh, but that's up to you again. My, this is, this is process of monitoring is new to us. And so I'm trying to not only do it well, but, but do it to the satisfaction of the board so that you're getting the information that you need. And so it's not just an exercise in, uh, throwing a monitoring report forward that we're, we're all gaining from this. Are there any questions for the superintendent? Well, if no one has any questions, I will just send my changes to the superintendent because I have many comments and I don't want to hold all you guys up. Um, okay. So this, this is budget plan, this, um, budget planning, there's planning and execution. And, um, so

043one thing that I appreciated greatly is what I understand for planning is what are the board priorities? So we talked about that. We had a board meeting that we prioritize math. So that, um, so how would that, how would that be stated on this superintendent? Um, I, I believe we do a good job. I like what you provide. It answers my questions and builds trust. So I appreciate that. But with planning versus execution, um, any thoughts on that? In some ways they go together, but certainly the planning piece, which when we talk about, uh, like our, our annual, um, board presentation or the budget presentation for the board in July, that's certainly as a planning piece. There are conversations that we would have. You mentioned the math conversation as a priority last year was certainly

044a planning piece. There's some, some elements of the monthly budget status report that is, I would consider planning, but I would also consider execution. So I think that's why, and again, I, I will take the blame for not having OE six ready to go, but I think that's why we put those together because they, there is some crossover there. Um, what I would like in director Daley, if you're fine with this, I would like to take your comments and, and then, uh, reflect on those and share those with the other board members. So they at least know what the conversation was. And then I, like I said, I can work on making some adjustments. I, my goal is to meet your expectation, um, and, and create some evidence that addresses the policy, which is what

045the purpose of the monitoring report is for, I believe. What I want to say about that is, um, as the other piece, the board will vote on what is in this monitoring report. So like with the last monitoring report challenge that we had, that needs to come forward. We need to talk about it. And then we need to agree if it's going to be in or not because the board direct superintendent, not individual board members. So I just want to remind us about that. And that's why I wanted to share with everybody just so we can see, um, so if we are voting on indicators and evidence tonight, anything after tonight won't apply. Is that correct? I mean, you can add more, I suppose, but it does that. Is that the intention of our monitoring

046process and our professional development that we're trying to learn and hopefully master? I guess what I would like to see is that we vote on the interpretation and indicators tonight and anything because I feel like what we're presenting here is, is meeting the expectation, but there may be some other things. So I don't have a problem taking this, adding the evidence I've described here, and then adding some things beyond that. There is no limit on how much evidence that we can show. So I like what is here, but I also want some feedback. So there's some other things maybe we haven't thought about. Yeah. My, my concern with that is we, we approved the policy last July, I believe. And so now we need to approve the, the interpretation and the indicators so that the

047superintendent knows what to report back on. So when, when the superintendent says, I'd like to take more feedback and revise it, that would tell me that we don't want to approve the interpretation and the indicators at this time, if they're going to be revised. In other words, we need, we need to say, okay, this is, these are the indicators that we consider reasonable, and that is what we will expect you to report on. So we, we need to make a final decision. So if, if you want, if you as superintendent want more input to modify your interpretation indicators of value, then we would need to postpone the consideration of whether or not they're reasonable. And I don't know. Like I said, I believe what has been presented is accurate and it is in compliance. However,

048I'm always open to feedback and always open to suggestions for other things. So I guess to your point, if the board needs to determine if this is reasonable, if it is, we'll move forward. If it isn't, then I'll take it back and bring back the revised version and at the November 17th meeting. Okay. Director Daley. I've got I'll make three comments of the many I have. Number one, for example, the COVID money. So let's call it, some of it was in the original budget. Some of it came in later. So whose money is that? In other words, if it wasn't approved in the annual budget, and yet we got $20 million, who owns the money? Is it for the board to decide on the use or the district to decide? In other words, what I'm

049getting at is when you have a large amount of money come in midstream, shouldn't we go through a budget process again that says, oh, we got $20 million of COVID money? And this is how we recommend it being spent versus dump it in the general fund and spend it as the district needs fit. So that was one of my concerns on how the budget works. The second one is if you look at 5.7, if you read it right, it says the district could propose a budget that leaves only 5% reserves remaining. My question was, is that correct? The way it's written, it says the annual budget cannot be more than the expected beginning fund balance plus revenues expected for the year plus any intentional use of fund balance while maintaining the 5%. So if I

050read that right, the budget could be built on all of the reserves with the exception of 5%. So if we have $10 million in reserves and we need five just picking numbers, then the budget can actually be built off of the 5% of the 5 million in the reserves plus all the other money we get. So is that the intent of what we want? And the third question I have is we're financial planning here. The district is going to propose a budget, okay? But the board is going to approve it. So one of my questions that I'm dealing with is if we approve the budget according to the Aspen group, then we take responsibility. So how can we hold the superintendent responsible for some of these items when we take over the budget? In other

051words, once the board approves the budget, theoretically, he is to execute it. But if something goes wrong, that's not on him. That's on the thing. So I didn't get a good answer from Aspen group on that. And I still am concerned that if we're going to follow what Aspen group says, then some of the accountability that we're talking about, I understand the difference between execution and planning. But once we accept the budget, then it's on us. So how can we hold the superintendent responsible for some of these items when he prepares the budget and we agree to it? So that's why I would recommend that we do not do this until we have more answers versus just come up with an answer and go with it. So let me just respond. I appreciate the feedback.

052One of the things I want to just clear up, the ESSER money was part of the budget presentation. I just went back and looked at slides 9, 10, 11, and 12 from the budget presentation on July 21st of 2021. There were three or four slides there that spoke directly to ESSER money, how it would be spent. So it was included in the budget. I think the other thing, and we tried this last spring, as far as a planning, we had a study session that was strictly devoted to identifying priorities for the budget. And the one thing that came out of that was math. And I think we probably can do a better job of that in the planning phases. And that planning phase really should be, in my opinion, it should be a year long,

053not just an isolated meeting. We're always having conversations about how we want to move forward with the budget, what priorities. We have a priority plan that identifies quite a few things we could be working on. And so it would be an opportunity for us on a consistent basis to have planning conversations around how the money should be spent. Okay. The question is now on whether or not the indicators, whether or not the interpretation indicators are reasonable. The original policy is not under debate at this time. That's a matter for another day. If we want to talk about whether or not the 5% is appropriate or whatever, that's a discussion for another day. The question before us now is, is the superintendent's interpretation and proposed indicators of compliance reasonable? That is the question before us. Can

054I call the question? Are your comments okay? Is there any further discussion? I don't believe there's been much discussion, but can I call the question? Okay. The Director Sebring is moving to close debate. This question is undebatable. All in favor of closing debate on the pending question, please raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Raise your hand and say no. No. There being two-thirds in the affirmative debate is closed. Now the question is now on the, I'll read the question exactly. With respect to operational expectation policy OE5, the board finds that the interpretation and indicators of compliance are reasonable. That is the question. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Opposed? Raise your hand and say no. No. Okay. The ayes have it and the motion is

055adopted. Is there any need for the board to decide on comments? We voted, I was assuming we're voting on interpretation and evidence or are those separate? We don't have the evidence. We're talking about the indicators. I'm sorry, indicators. Interpretation and indicators. We voted on both. That was my understanding, correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. Is there any need to add a comment to the board's decision? Okay. Hearing none, we'll move on to the next agenda item, which is 5.01 public comment. Public comment is an opportunity to direct comments to the board. Any specific questions raised in the public comment will be addressed to the chair slash president who will typically refer the question to the superintendent for a response at a later time. Those who have pre-registered to speak will now be called on. Please enable your

056microphone and camera if possible. The camera is optional. The microphone is not. All comments will be limited to three minutes. The first speaker will be Kayla Llewellyn who will be followed by John Cameron. So Kayla, if we can have her... I don't see Kayla Llewellyn as an attendee. I do see John Cameron, so I'll go ahead and... Okay, we'll go to John Cameron and after John Cameron will be Daniel Smallwood. John Cameron, if you could... Okay, go ahead. I'm here. Thank you. Proceed. Hi. I just wanted to touch base on critical race theory again. I'm going to be that guy who's talking about that as often as I can. I've talked to several of you already, but I also want to talk about what happened in Virginia in the election and how important this topic

057was for that entire election. As you know, the... Or if you know, the Democratic candidate was not elected and he was running on a platform that parents shouldn't have control over their curriculum in schools. And I'm here to say that parents are the primary stakeholders in our child's education and that when it comes to that, that is what we're here for. We are in charge of their education. In terms of critical race theory, I want to just touch base. Every time I mentioned that, they said, we don't teach critical race theory. I'm not going to get into what those definitions are, but I just went through the conferences of my kids, of freshman and my seventh grader, and I saw elements of critical race theory in terminology of diversity, inclusion, and equity. And I saw

058those also in social emotional learning. And I saw them in particular in cultural geography class, future focus class, and health. And I will be looking more into that and trying to help those definitions with the school board. I talk about diversity, inclusion, and equity. I'm going to say that's DIE. And again, reiterate that please focus on the ABCs of our education, not critical race theory or CRT or DIE. Promote excellence, not diversity. Unity, not inclusion. And equality, not equity. In terms of what should not be taught. And this isn't from me, and I've sent this email to you, John and Rebecca, and I think Director Daley as well. Do not promote or teach that any race is inherently superior or inferior to any other race. This is critical race theory on what not to have

059promoted. Do not promote or teach that the USA is a fundamentally racist country. Do not promote or teach that the Declaration of Independence and or the Constitution are fundamentally racist documents. Do not promote that an individual- 20 seconds left. Moral character or worth is determined by his or her race. Do not promote that an individual by virtue of his or her race is inherently racist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. And an individual because of his race bears- do not teach that an individual because of his or her race bears responsibility for the actions committed by other members of his or her race. And once again- Okay. Thank you. Your time- Your time is expired. Please, please, Mr. Daley. Your time is expired. I urge the board to revisit your critical race theory document. The

060next speaker will be Daniel Smallwood. Next speaker will be Daniel Smallwood. And just as a note, Ms. Miller, when I announced that the time has expired, please mute the person. Do we have- do we have Dan Smallwood? Go ahead. Can you hear me now? Can we start the clock now? Yes. Okay. Good evening, Superintendent Winders and all the board members. My name is Dan Smallwood. I'd like to discuss a couple things. First off, I want to thank you for the work you're doing. As you know, I've been attending meetings for a while and sometimes I'm frustrated with how things are in the school district. There are other constituents who are also raising a lot of concerns as well. I want to make it clear, I'm not attacking you or all the teachers. I acknowledge there

061are many great teachers and employees in the school district. And when someone raises a concern over one, it's not directed at all people. We should never generalize any group based on the actions of a few. Most of the concerns are over some policies or the implementation of them. If I express concern over a policy and you support the policy, I'm letting you know we disagree and I'm not likely the only one who has the same concern. I'm also aware you may not agree with some of the policies, but they were possibly mandated by politicians and an Olympia. I appreciate that, but as you know, I'd still like to see you truly exploring all options on what we can do about them. We all know most people don't even get active when they disagree with these

062things. Most of them don't participate in the process, but then there's a big issue of parents with kids in sports and other activities who are extremely busy just don't have the time to deal with all of this. They're not likely to be attending these meetings and speaking up. It sometimes seems as this has been an open invitation for things to run on autopilot. Occasionally, we need to question the idea of when people say that's just how it's always been. When we're asking questions, when we're trying to fix things or change things, we're just trying to help out. As a representative government, your constituents are asking you to pay attention and represent us. I'm looking to work with you, not against you. I would also like to offer my congratulations to Brian Pickard and Jeff Wilson.

063I'd also like to ask a non-rhetorical question. Maybe you can answer now or at the next meeting, but I'd like a public response, which is why I did not just send an email. Can you let us know how many of your employees were put on unpaid leave due to the mandates or how many retired earlier resigned? I'd like to think we were able to grant exceptions and truly apply reasonable accommodations. Nobody should lose their job over a personal medical choice like this. Next thing I want to discuss with you is the move to Zoom meetings. This has come up before nothing has changed. I don't believe there's any need to have meetings on Zoom only. You can certainly have some board members meet in person and allow the public in as well. If you're concerned

064about your health, then feel free to use Zoom and dial in. I think all of us understand the need to stay at home if you're sick or possibly compromised, but there is not any reason we cannot have meetings in person. There are in-person meetings all over the country and the state. I recently watched one from Raymond where they used the gym to accommodate people. I'd appreciate if you took some time as a board to reconsider this position. As it stands, Zoom meetings make us feel like a side party to your meeting rather than just a group of citizens sitting down and participating with you. Another issue is it seems when we have bad internet connections, and you may seem like you have a good internet connection, but to now it's going back down. Now I

065realize our only role in this is to vote in the elections. We're able to speak up during open comments. There's something to meeting in person, especially when you see it's not your time has expired. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next speaker will be Mark Wilson, who will be followed by Kelly Bertelsen. Mark Wilson is next. Okay, just a moment please. We'll hear from Mark Wilson, then Kelly Bertelsen, and then Jamie Cross. I see Mark Wilson here and I'm trying to promote to panelists and it's not not doing that. So I'll just say allow to talk. Oh, here he comes. There we go. Bit of a leg. Hello. Yes, go ahead. Oh, okay. Hi, this is Mark. Thank you board members for hearing my comments. So I do want to offer some encouragement tonight

066to all that, to the board and to other members and other people who are listening. In the midst of the many challenges that here at South Kitsap and not only here in South Kitsap, but across the state and the country as well. As Mr. Cameron had pointed out, I did want to point out the encouraging thing that occurred back in Virginia. And I just want to offer a shout out to the new governor there, Glenn Yonkin, who's a champion of restoring responsibility of our kids education to the parents, where of course it belongs. And I know all the members of this board will join me in congratulating him as well because his opponent, Terry McAuliffe, teachers union back to the president, teachers union president back to Terry McAuliffe, stated this and I just really have

067a rough time with this comment and maybe you have seen it in the media as well. But his words are, I don't think parents should have a say in their child's education. I don't think parents should have a say in their child's education. A very bizarre statement. And I'm just so grateful that this person, Mr. McAuliffe, didn't win because that's kind of a scary thing. Wouldn't that have been a terrible thing if he would have won? And so in summary, I don't want people to lose heart. This same mandate that occurred back in Virginia starting yesterday with Mr. Yonkin's victory, that same mandate that was established by parents in Virginia, especially those mama bears who were very protective of their kids, that same mandate is a wave, I believe, sweeping across this country. And I

068think it will arrive here not only in Washington, but in South Kitsap. So I would urge people not to lose heart. And you as board members, don't lose heart because it's coming. And it's a wonderful thing to be able to restore a child's education back to their parents where it belongs. And of course, the founders of this country never intended on anybody else other than parents being responsible for their child's education. So thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Next speaker will be Kelly Berthelsen, who will be followed by Jamie Cross. Kelly Berthelsen. Kelly, you need to unmute. Okay, there we go. Yes, go ahead. Okay, sorry about that. It restarted and I wasn't sure exactly if you could hear me. So we can hear you. Go ahead. Hello, I'm

069Kelly Berthelsen and I'm also a member and part of the informed parents of Washington. And I appreciate you taking public comment. And I did want to talk to you about the COVID-19 vaccine mandates. I had not heard anything as far as a formal statement on whether there was going to be a mandate this year. That is actually the first that I had heard that they were not planning on having a vaccine mandate for the children. And so I had prepared a statement to actually talk to you about the vaccine mandate. And I just wanted to just thank you for mentioning that. And I also wanted to encourage you to, um, if anything does come up regarding the mandate to seriously take a look at the concerns of these COVID-19 vaccines, what the long-term effects could

070be to any of the children in the next two years, in the next five years, in the next 10 years. I'm certainly not telling anybody that they shouldn't take it if that's what they believe is the right thing to do. But to force anybody to take the mandate would be a horrible thing to actually force them to take that and then have negative consequences for those people in the future would be a horrible thing. So I just wanted to thank you for looking at that. I did want to thank the board members that actually did respond back to my email as well and just say thank you for reading that and responding back. And that's what I wanted to say. So thank you very much. Our final speaker will be Jamie Cross. Jamie Cross will

071be our final speaker. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. All right. Hey, I just wanted to let you guys know what you're doing there at the schools. You're really dividing. You're politicizing the school district and you're really dividing the community. And people are starting to wake up and see it. You're using your power there to manipulate the community and using our kids as weapons against people. You have high ranking people in your in your district that are openly putting quotes on Facebook to the tune of let me just read a couple. If you support Trump and now know you made a mistake, I will forgive you. If you continue to support him, you're a bad person. If you support him, I don't like or respect you. Any idea where that could have came from?

072If you live in South Kitsap and voted no on the bond and or levy, the reality is you are selfish. How about this one? This one's a doozy. I'm done pretending that it is okay to be a Republican. This is not what we need in our school district. We need to start getting the community together and have some unity and get these these kids taught. Start teaching them math, English, and history and stop the social engineering. And I got a question directly from Mr. Winters I'd like an answer on. I would like to know, I would like you to provide me with some information on the the masks and the effectiveness of the masks and why we continue to wear the masks. Because there's some information that says they're really not that good for kids.

073And I'd like to know where you guys are getting your information from. And people are losing trust in what you guys are doing. And I mean, I don't know what bubble you guys live in. But you know, it's disgusting. You guys think that some of the people in the community are scum. And that's not right. You guys are dividing the community. Thank you. Hey, that concludes our public comment portion of the meeting. The next item on the agenda is board development. And the first item is board linkages. And that is where we talk about our involvement with the community and wish to report on linkages with the community. I do. I have several items whenever you guys are done. Do you want to go ahead now? Okay, first of all, in the good news department,

074I went to Hidden Creek the other day for three reasons. First, I wanted to see Eureka math in action. Second, I wanted to see the kids at lunch, and I want to see the kids on the playground. In other words, I was looking to see what the kids are doing, how engaged they are, and how much they're having fun. I was very honored to be a guest in Mrs. Stockton's fifth grade math class. I watched an entire lesson on Eureka math. What I was really watching was to see how engaged the kids are in Eureka math and how they were reacting to it. Okay, I can see that it's going to take time to integrate into Eureka math. Mrs. Stockton was doing a fabulous job of working with the kids, but I can also see,

075I went to see what the kids were doing was my primary reason. I can say that if your parents, if your students at Hidden Creek and in Mrs. Stockton's class, they appear to be doing very well, and I'm going to assume that Ms. Ward, or Principal Ward, is doing the same thing in all the other classes. It was a great experience. I got a chance to go in the lunchroom and see how we're seating students, and once again, that's another challenge that I don't think everybody understands. They are doing the absolute best they can. Some of our lunchrooms are large, some are not so large, so the staff of our lunch supervisors along with our food service people are doing a great job at trying to balance out keeping kids, getting kids fed, but also

076keeping them safe, so I thought that was wonderful too. On the playground, I saw the same thing. All the money that Mr. Winter has been putting into the playgrounds looks like it is doing a great job for our kids. They're all out there playing. They're on relatively new equipment, new games, new things, and so it was really good to see that the kids were enjoying their time outside. In summary, I want to thank Principal Ward and Ms. Flagel and Ms. Stockton for accommodating me. Ms. Flagel was the instructional specialist. She was helping me learn Eureka Math, and it's a little different. I used to teach math, and I hadn't thought of teaching math quite that way, so I was interested in how we were integrating the curriculum. I hope to get to other schools and

077see how the integration is going in there, but I do want to thank Principal Ward, Ms. Flagel, Ms. Stockton, and the food service people and the playground people at Hidden Creek for allowing me to be at their school and observe so many things. It always helps to go see things in person. It's fine to be here, but what it really matters is getting out and seeing what the kids are doing in our community. Second question I have, obviously we are reading things here, but Senate Bill 5395 tells the school board, not the superintendent, to consult with parents and guardians and the local communities, of course, to discuss the sex ed curriculum. How are we going to do this is going to be one of my questions for the superintendent at a later date, because it

078says right in there that school board needs to be doing that. Since there's no place in the agenda anymore, I'm still curious when are we going to move the IMC and capital projects committee underneath the superintendent. We didn't resolve that last meeting, and I think we need to do that. I have two more items. I want to parallel on what one of our speakers said. This is a democratic society, and everyone knows that I am not the most popular person here, but at the same point, when you start taking names of people and targeting people who are honest and good citizens and targeting them for their speaking, folks, we have a problem, and I will agree with the speaker of when you start targeting businesses and other people, just because they are voicing an opinion,

079our democratic process is beginning to fail. It's one thing for you to have your own opinion of me as a public official, but why we're picking on some of our people that speak out in honesty that they want the best for their kids, I think that is way out of control. Finally, I have a motion. I propose that we start meeting in person starting at the next school board. We have new board members coming on. We have interviews to do, and I do not want to do those in person. Those of you who are aware that there is a challenge to one of our candidates, there is a public meeting tomorrow, and amazingly enough, it's being held at the Kitsap County Commissioner's Chamber in person. So if they can conduct business with the public in

080person, there is absolutely no reason why we cannot move to in person meetings. So the motion is I propose that we start meeting in person starting at the next board meeting. Yeah, we're in board linkages right now on the agenda. So if you say that motion, we can address it in section nine matters reserved for board action. Okay, so we'll take it up then. Okay, thank you. Any other board linkages? I put a little sign at the top of my screen that said smile. I had lots of conversations about the election and talking about some things on the school board for that election, and then lots of work on general assembly for our legislative positions. Director Berg and I did that, and that was a good couple days, and that's what I've been doing. Thank

081you. Any other reports? Okay, thank you. Next item is legislative update. Director Deal. We're asked by WASDA, our director association, to prioritize the legislative positions for the strategic advocacy in Olympia during the legislative session. So I did send out this morning because I didn't get the email prior to that, had to go dig for it. So do we have input for legislative positions? I have titles. I found the document to be very confusing, but I have titles of priorities that I wanted to talk about. Does anybody else have any input for that? Well, my concern was that there's 123 different positions that we're expected to prioritize and report back to WASDA by Friday, and I certainly don't think we can do justice to that in our meeting tonight. I thought about having each of us

082rank our priorities. In other words, take those four pages out of the document and send them in and have them compiled, but then that would run us afoul of the Open Meetings Act because we'd be having a board discussion outside of a board meeting. In an indirect way, right? Right, and so unless we want to take the time to go through and prioritize them and then have a special meeting Friday morning to prioritize them so we can get our report into WASDA in time, we could do that or we could just not bother to send our priorities to WASDA. The purpose of the priorities is to assist them in their basically lobbying and working with the legislature so that they know whether we want them to work on reducing gun violence or improving busing or

083amending the Constitution to allow a majority for a bond. In other words, we've got all those issues, so that's what we need to decide. Director Daley, you had your hand up? Director Deal, has the public seen these? In other words, was the public given 24-hour notice to review these? I sent it to Robbie this morning because that's when I had it. So then they don't have 24 hours notice, so we really can't take action if the public has not had 24 hours notice, is that correct? Is that correct? We can take action. We can take action on items that are not on the agenda. Whether it's a good idea or not is another issue. Did you have legislative priorities, Director Daley? No, I'm not going to comment on it because I think it requires public

084to be notified 24 hours prior, so I'm making no comments. Okay. Yeah, I'm of the opinion that we're not required to publish the agenda 24 hours in advance, but we are not limited to the items on the agenda. We can take up an item not on the agenda and take final action on it at a regular meeting. We can't do it in a special meeting, but we can do it at a regular meeting. I'd like to jump in here. This was difficult last year also. I think you can remember, Director Burke, I believe you were our representative then, and we tried to prioritize. The way this works really well is when we actually meet in person for a legislative agenda, and then we can listen to the different people that are presenting them the pros

085and cons and listen to all the other directors speak to that, and then we as our district representatives decide on what our priorities are. That hasn't worked, and personally I went through and looked at these, but I thought I'm not listening to the conversation going around those like we do when it's a real legislative assembly, so I don't feel ready in the short term without hearing the pros and cons of those to make a list of my own, even though I did go through and highlight some. I agree with you, Director Burke, that maybe this year they won't hear from South Kitsap's list of legislative priorities. Perhaps we need to tell them that we need more time. We need more than a week to digest that information. I believe the General Assembly was late this

086year. Normally it's earlier in the year, and so they pushed it into they pushed it into October, so that would be some issue. So unless someone wants to call for a special meeting on Friday to finalize our priorities, my recommendation would be to simply not submit our prioritization this year. Okay. Any further comment on that topic? Okay. Okay. Oh, can I, can I? Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Did you have other things to talk about? I would like to ask the directors, would you like to invite our legislators to our school district? In what respect? Relationship, so that when our legislators have issues, challenges, or questions, they have a relationship, they can call us, and that's what the legislative representative does, and I wanted to know if we haven't had a legislator come to our district

087recently that I'm aware of, so I wanted to know if we wanted to do that before session starts, and if, and if superintendent, that would be something we could accommodate with notice, because last time we had a chance, there wasn't enough notice. I believe the last time we had a legislator was when Senator Randall came to a CTE meeting. Would you like me to contact him and ask them? What is, what is the feeling of the board? So you're talking about inviting, inviting them to our, to one of our meetings? What, I'm opening the discussion for this to build a relationship. What we did in the past is we had a meeting with them. I remember one time we had it in Peninsula School District, because that's in their legislative district, and so trying to

088ask the board what we would like to do. COVID has made things more difficult, so it's open for discussion. Yeah, they do, they do have, you know, town hall and community meetings, and I try to get to them. I've been to one of, Jesse Young's and a couple of Senator Randall's, and I haven't been able to get to one of, representing Cal Deer, but they'll get, they're going to get pretty busy come January when the, when the session starts. So you're, you're talking about doing something in December. Or when, try to arrange it however we might do that. And if, if we need more notice, if superintendent wants more notice or in a set amount? I'm thinking this might be a goal we pass on to the new school board, and they might want to

089start, you know, right off the bat, having a regular, maybe Zoom meeting or something with the legislatures or get together with the other school districts that we share the legislators with. But right now, I think with the holidays and everything else, it would probably wouldn't work. Okay. Any further, anything else from you, Director Deale? Those were my two topics. Okay. Next is, I believe we have a report from our student representatives. Who wants to go first? Kai, you can go first if you want. Yeah, my, my, my cursor just happens to be on Kai's face. Let's go with Kai. All right. Hi, everyone. So our school play is about to start. And so, yeah, we're having a spirit week to coincide with our school play. Monday was denim on denim. There's a lot of denim.

090Tuesday was heroes versus villains. Today was Adam Sandler day. Tomorrow's grunge. And then Friday is 90s trends. Our school play is She Kills Monsters. It's full of D&D and dragons and 90s pop culture and fantasy. And it's really cool. And I know a lot of people with it. And yeah, another exciting thing. We finally started singing Christmas music and choir. So we're getting closer to having some sort of choral event. We had, I think in between our last two meetings, we had an orchestra concert. So there was orchestra and they were really beautiful. Everything's been going great. So there's not much to report to you guys that everything's going great. I recall seeing on YouTube a clip of from South Kitsap. The silent monk singing the hallelujah chorus. It's had over 2 million views. Yeah,

091that was us. Yeah. This is across Lambert. Awesome. Thank you. So kind of on the topic of things happening specifically at South, we've got the play on Friday. We also have our last home football game on Thursday. So we're looking forward to that. If you guys do attend, make sure to dress up in in South killers. That's our theme. And our fall sports and get ready for winter sports. But as a whole, I've also been working with ASB on bringing back some senior traditions that we weren't able to accomplish or have due to the COVID-19 regulations. So we're working on making that a good year for everybody and trying to bring back a couple of those traditions. And then is for district wide. I've been brainstorming some more ways to get the district council going.

092And we're hoping I'm hoping to kind of hoping to meet soon so we can work on that together. Okay, thank you. Next items are our consent agendas. Before we get to that, is there any objection to taking a five minute recess? No objection. We will recess for five minutes and we'll be back at 640. 640 and we will reconvene. Next item is 7.01, the consent agenda. The question is on the approval of the consent agenda as presented. Are you ready for the question? No, because I have comments. Go ahead, Director Daly. Okay, I will just make a general statement. I haven't received the information that I need, so I'll be non-concurring with most of this. I want to make two observations. Number one, 7.04 talks about overnight travel of the SKHS wrestling team and 7.05

093talks about out of state travel for the South Kitsap high school dance team. If you look at the things, I'm curious as to what these are rhetorical questions. I don't need any answers because I have a different point. Why is the booster club paying for the meals for the wrestling team and why is ASB paying for the hotel and the lodging for the wrestling team? I also went through several warrants where I saw the wrestling team in a similar arrangement with the ASB paying for them for a lot of other tournaments. Then we have the out of state travel for the dance team. It's paid entirely by the individuals. There's no assistance from the district, so I'm not sure whether if you're on the dance team and you didn't have the money that you don't

094get to go. So where I'm going with this is I have been looking at the ASB issues and I'm going to talk about that at another meeting, but I'm not sure why these things are coming to the board because if we're paying for the wrestling team and we're not paying for the dance team, then something is wrong with this process to where not everybody gets a fair cut. And I'm not going to argue whether we should be going to Orlando, Florida and wherever we should be going. That's not my point. My point is either we support all of our clubs, all of our students, or we find a way that we fix the process to where everybody gets a little bit. But I'm not comfortable with a situation where we have students that are funding

095their entire way to Florida when we have other students that are going and we have the district or ASB paying for them. So I'm not comfortable with those. I don't need any answers. I just think that there's something wrong with the process of how this is doing. The next thing is I know we have these in the consent item. There are policies, but if we're not going to discuss the policies, then let's just get rid of them because there's no reason to have a first and a second reading on policies if we're just going to approve the consent agenda and move on. There's a new policy in there. So if we're not going to talk about things on the consent agenda, then why are they even in the consent agenda? So that's all I have

096on that. I'll be voting to non-concur with the consent agenda. Thank you. Is there any other discussion on the consent agenda? Hearing none, we'll proceed. The question is on the approval of the consent agenda as presented. All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. No. The ayes have it. The consent agenda is adopted as presented. Next item is the superintendent's consent agenda. No, that was the superintendent's consent agenda. Next is the board consent agenda. Sorry. Item 8.01, which contains minutes of the previous meeting and minutes of the instructional materials committee meeting. In approving the minutes of the instructional materials committee meeting, we are also approving the recommendations of that committee. So that needs to be made clear. Is there any discussion on the board consent

097agenda? Hearing none. All in favor of adopting the board consent agenda as presented, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. The ayes have it. The board consent agenda is adopted. Next item is matters reserved for board action. Item 9.01, resolution number 1437, newly elected directors to attend the annual WASDA conference. Is there any discussion? What is the purpose of that? The purpose is to provide information for the new directors so that they can hit the road running come December 1st. They're elected in November, they take office in December, but the WASDA conference is in November. So if they're going to get anything out of the WASDA conference, they need to be able to go. I understand that. All I'm asking is, are we directing them to go

098or are we giving them the opportunity to attend if they wish? We're giving them the opportunity and funding their attendance. So there is an expenditure of board funds. I believe that comes out of the board's budget. I just wanted to make sure that it's an invitation versus the board is directing them because they're not board directors quite yet. Yeah, well, the board doesn't require any of us to attend WASDA meetings. Well, we're all volunteers. It's not exactly how I read it, but okay. One related issue is the student representatives attending the board, attending the WASDA conference. So let's address that after we address the resolution to fund the newly elected directors to attend the WASDA conference. Are you ready for the question on that? All in favor of approval of resolution 1345, newly elected directors

099to attend the annual WASDA conference. All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. Resolution 1347, just in case. Aye. Yeah, did I say that wrong? 1347. Those opposed say no. Okay, the ayes have it and the motion is adopted. Related to that is the issue of funding the student representatives to attend WASDA. In looking at the materials, the Friday and the Saturday sessions will be available online so that they can participate in that. And obviously the Friday would conflict with school and they would be permitted an excused absence from their classes to attend that. The Saturday will be mostly workshops. We don't have the schedule yet of the workshops. All I know is that I'm teaching a workshop on Robert's Rules of Order at 830 Saturday morning. I don't know about any

100of the other workshops. I guess the question of our student representatives is do you want to attend the Thursday, which is in-person only? There's a board boot camp, which is information for new board members. There's also a presentation on student voice, which is specifically addressing students getting involved. I am definitely interested. I know I talked to Miss Bell and Kai did as well, but I'm definitely interested in attending the conference. I think that I would be able to take the days off of school as well. I also think I would be able to afford to do that. So yeah, I'm able to do any of that in person. So yeah. Well, my motion would be that the board fund the participation of our student representatives to attend the WASDA conference in November. Is there any

101discussion? Is there room? At one time, there was a waiting list. Is there room for them to attend first? Superintendent Winter, do you have information on that? Yes, we had made plans for all board members, including the two open seats that we didn't know who would fill those. So they are registered and there is room at this point. The question is, is there room for the two student representatives? Yes. There is. Next question is, is there room for chaperones or how will we address that? Well, I believe Kai has a built-in chaperone attending. Yeah, I would just attend with my dad. So that would work for me. And I don't know about Jessie, but yeah. We will have to work out a female chaperone for Jessie. So we'll work on that. Yeah, I don't know

102whether it would be a parent, guardian or faculty member. Jessie, we can meet and talk about that. So if we're going to fund our student representatives, which I think is fine, why do we not need a formal document to do that when we need one for our board members to attend? So we will, on the next agenda, we will put in an overnight travel form for our student representatives, which is the standard procedure. The difference is that we, the district funds students in a lot of capacities, but we don't fund community members for things. And that's why the resolution allows us to utilize district funds for non school district employees, board members, students, et cetera. So that process will be done through a student travel form. Okay. And we're going to fund it out of

103board funds, correct? Yes, that would come out of the board. The same as it would fund us going to the conference. Okay. Director Sievern, will you be attending? No, I will not. Okay. And director Daly, will you be attending? I will be attending on zoom. Okay. I am virtual. And I'll be attending in person. I will also be attending in person. In person. Okay. So the question is, shall the board fund the attendance of our student representatives to the WASDA conference? Are you ready for the question? And chaperones. Yeah. Okay. I think that would probably go without saying, unless you want to include that. I would like to include that. Okay. Student representatives and chaperones. Okay. Motion is that the board funds the attendance of our student representatives and chaperones to the WASDA conference. Are

104you ready for the question? All in favor, say aye and raise your hand. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. If the ayes have it, the motion is adopted. The board will fund the attendance of the student representatives to the WASDA conference. And then we'll have appropriate paperwork to come before the board's next meeting, which will still be before the conference. Thank you. I wanted to ask the question, please. Yes. Are we having a board meeting on, usually with conference, we have a board meeting at conference. So we're going to have a regular board meeting on the Wednesday. I don't know the date exactly. Correct? Yes. The Wednesday before the WASDA conference. Thank you. WASDA conference is the 18th, 19th and 20th. We'll be having a regular board meeting on Wednesday the 17th.

105Thank you. I don't know whether we will, in the past, we'd had a board meeting at the conference just because the board members were getting together. But since most of the board members will not be attending in person, the only ones attending in person would be the superintendent and me and our student reps and the two directors elect. So the directors elect are not subject to the open public meetings act until they're sworn in. So there would be no need to notice a board meeting in connection with the WASDA conference. Is that clear? Okay. Okay. Next item is 9.02, board of director bylaws. Now this was put on board docs over the weekend, I believe. Director Daley, I was concerned with your comment that you did not see the email from Aspen group on board

106docs. I'm not going to discuss a lot of that, but I will make a statement here to save everybody a lot of trouble here. Okay. I strongly urge the board not to adopt any of Mr. Berg's changes. Long ago, Director Deal and I were authorized by the board to work with the Aspen group. We were a board committee authorized by the board to contact and work with the Aspen group and that's what we spent eight months doing. To my knowledge, Mr. Berg, you are not authorized to talk with the Aspen group on your own. You have been doing that. Okay. You've been putting in your changes and you've used your position to work directly with them and around the other board members. I've had no contact with them and I've heard nothing. So the Aspen

107group has told you that invoking your changes will force them to revoke our desire for a coherent governance board sanction and it will void over $60,000 worth of paid taxpayer money. Mr. Berg, our country was founded on democratic principles and a constitution. The centerpiece of our democracy is such that we foster and we need people to be able to speak their mind and be able to represent their constituents as best they can in an open forum. Okay. We have many amendments that allow that for people's rights. Your changes are proposing or counter to what is established as a fruitful dialogue where the people's representatives are free to speak and represent their constituents. When people and organizations begin to restrict those rights and principles, we fail as a democracy. In summary, expect legal challenges to your

108new rules which will probably result in a further lawsuit against the board due to your personal ill-advised actions. Okay. Regarding the committee, we did have a governance committee and that was functioning under the previous contract with Aspen. And that was when Director Deal and Director Daly were working with the documents from Racine and putting together proposed documents. That committee ceased to function when their work was done. And there was no new authorization for committee. You used your board chair position to wiggle your way into that and you've not communicated with any of the board. You've made all the changes yourself and you've done it yourself. Okay. May I finish my statement? Please. Okay. The special committee ceased to function when they had completed the work on the Racine documents. Last spring we had a new

109contract with the Aspen group and I don't believe there was any official board motion but Director Deal was functioning as our liaison with the Aspen group. And this was done with Director Daly, I'm still speaking. And Director Deal was working as our liaison with the Aspen group with the full knowledge and understanding of the board. Director Deal continued to work with the Aspen group. Director Deal asked me to assist her the last couple of months because her term will be expiring the end of this month, well beginning of next month. And in order to provide transition, Director Daly, I am still speaking. You'll have your chance. Director Deal and I were working with the Aspen group. We had our workshop early in October where the full board met and went over the draft proposals from

110the Aspen group. The contract with the Aspen group was to basically redraft our policies. However, they did not redraft some of the policies, particularly the ones relating to the conduct of our meetings because they said that didn't belong in their governance culture documents that should be relegated to another document called bylaws. So our work was incomplete after our October meeting, our October workshop. So Director Deal as our liaison with Aspen continued to work with them to put the finishing touches on the documents. And she asked for my assistance. It is perfectly acceptable for two board members to work together and to have discussions on board documents, on board business. That does not violate the Open Public Meetings Act. For us to involve other board members in that discussion outside of a board meeting would have

111violated the Open Meetings Act. Therefore, Director Deal and I were having telephone conversations with the Aspen group, specifically Ginger, to work out the differences in exactly where these documents go if they're not in policy, in the bylaws, and whatever. As of last week, Director Deal and I basically concurred with the Aspen group. And we had the finalized documents that you have before you tonight. I sent them to the Aspen group as we had finalized them and as they had, you know, agreed to and asked for their comment. And I asked for their comment by Monday morning so that we could get their comment on the board docs so that the whole board could be aware of it. The problem was that Ginger of the Aspen group was ill and did not get to it by

112Monday morning. So we did not get her response until today, which was then submitted or put on board docs. Now when I was having my discussions with the Aspen group, that was between Director Deal and me and the Aspen group. And we did not involve other board members because it would have violated the Open Meetings Act. Contrary to my advice, the Aspen group responded to my comments to the entire board. Now that did not violate the Open Meetings Act. However, when Director Daily responded to that, to the entire board, that triggered a violation of the Open Public Meetings Act. And Director Daily asked for more information, asked for the information. Director Daily, I am still speaking. You will have your... Don't make charges. Hey, Slick, don't make charges. You can't... Director Daily, you will have

113your chance to speak. If you're going to charge things like that, you stop. Director Daily, you will have your chance to speak. Stop making charges, Mr. Deal or Mr. Berg. You don't know that. That's been referred and that's under litigation. You are forbidden from talking about litigation. You have been tampering with evidence. So expect the lawsuit. So don't tell me and give me all this stuff about how you're justified because the changes... Director Daily, you will have your chance to speak. Would you please be quiet? And talk about an Open Public Meeting violation that you started. So you check your attorney's advice before you start accusing me of anything. I have consulted with our attorney. I have consulted with our attorney. Director Daily, would you please be quiet and let me respond? Not if you're

114going to tell lies to the public. Director Daily, you are out of order for your own personal reasons. The question is... Director Daily is out of order. The question is, shall Director Daily be muted? When you lie, I'm not out of order. All those in favor of muting Director Daily, please raise your hand and say aye. It's against the law. Those opposed, raise your hand. Okay, Director Daily is not out of order. It's against the law to do that and we've already shown you that and you're going to court on that. So quit using this to your advantage because you think Robert's Rules of Order are law and that's what you did. You put in Robert's Rules of Order into this whole thing, okay? So I've read you my statement. Expect this to go to

115a lawsuit, okay? And expect an injunction to stop what you're going to inject. That's all I have to say. I move to close debate and we need to... To close debate on what? On 9.02 and I would like to include 9.03 and 9.04 please. Okay, by closing debate we would then go to a vote. Is that your intent? I guess you can't put both. Okay, closing debate on 9.02, okay. Or do you propose postponing it to the next meeting? We need to close debate first. No. No, postponing it to the next meeting would close debate. I do not want to postpone it to the next meeting. I want to postpone it to January court study. Okay, we can't postpone it to January because it's a new board. We can't take any business and postpone it

116to the new board. We just did that about something else. Oh, because it wasn't on the agenda, okay. We can drop it. We can drop it and let the new board take it up afresh, but we can't postpone something to the new board. Okay, thank you. So what is your preference? Director Siemen wants to close debate. I would like to close debate. Okay, if we adopt a motion to close debate, we would then proceed to a vote on 9.02. Okay. Okay, the question is on closing debate on 9.02. All in favor of closing debate, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. No. They're not being two-thirds in the affirmative. The motion to close debate has failed. Can we call for the question? That's the same thing. Calling

117for the question is the same thing as closing debate. Okay. I don't think so. I think you can call for the question. Calling for the question is a motion to close debate. The two are identical. I disagree. Well, read your Robert's Rules of Order. I've heard Director Sebring say it a number of times and it hasn't been an issue, so if she proposes that we call for the question, then that's fine. Call for the question. When Director Sebring calls for the question, I can do that to be a motion to close debate. That's your choice, not ours. The terms are identical. That's your opinion. I'm going to step in here. Excuse me. And I don't know whether this has to do with procedure or what, but essentially what's happening is there's a debate between two

118members of the board. The rest of us are left out. There's personalities involved in it. Nothing's being accomplished here and it really has nothing to do with the substance of what we were speaking of. I don't know how to stop this, according to Robert's Rules or George's Rules, whoever's rules, but this should stop right now because it's not productive. And I don't know how to do that except just to say, please stop and let's move on. Then I would, then I would, you could either move to postpone indefinitely, which just kills it without a vote, or you could move to postpone it to the next meeting. If I move to postpone it to the next meeting and then when the agenda is set for the next meeting, it's decided not to bring it up at

119that next meeting, is that something that could happen? Yes. We could postpone it to the next meeting and then take it off the agenda at the next meeting. Okay. I move to postpone all discussion of these next three items to the next meeting. Okay. Normally you'd have to do those one at a time, but I think we can do them all at once, save some time. The question is on postponing to the next meeting, the consideration of 9.02, 9.03 and 9.04. Is there any discussion on the motion to postpone? Hearing none, shall the cell 9.01, 9.02, 9.03 and 9.04 be postponed to the next meeting? All in favor, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. The ayes have the motions adopted. 9.02, 9.03 and 9.04 are referred

120to the next, are postponed to the next meeting. Director Daly had a motion that he wanted to introduce under board business. Yeah. The motion is that, my motion is that we start meeting in person at the next board meeting. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Can you hear me now? He's unmuted. Are you hearing it? I'm hearing. Yeah. He's unmuted. Yes. Okay. For some reason, I'm not hearing it. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Director Daly, try again. Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you now. Okay. The motion is we move to in-person meetings, particularly because we are going to be meeting and swearing in our new board members, and we also have interviews for a fifth board member. I would not like to do those over Zoom. I

121don't see a reason to, and the rationale I gave you earlier, which is there is a hearing based on a individual in the campaign about not being in the correct district. That is being held tomorrow at 10 o'clock in the Kitsap County chambers. And it will be in-person and it's an open public meeting. So I see no reason if the county and the city are able to run open public meetings that we should be able to. The COVID counts are down. All of our students are going to school. All of our teachers are in school. There is everybody's at work. The, we still have high COVID numbers, but they're certainly down. So there is no rationale for us not meeting in person. The motion is to, for the motion is that the board move to

122in-person meetings effective at our next meeting? Correct. The November 17th meeting. Is there any discussion? Director DeO? I'd like to know how unvaccinated people will be in open public meeting when you have to be vaccinated to be on public property if you're there for over 15 minutes. Have to participate by Zoom. And so we're, we, we will have security checking, bringing documentation. Is that how that works? Whatever the district policy is. Okay. Supervisor Winter, how would we handle that? Right now our protocols say that any volunteer needs to be vaccinated and anyone who is going to be in it, whether it's someone who's presenting or will be in a school facility for longer than 15 minutes needs to be vaccinated. So I'm not sure how we would check that. So any public member attending the

123board meeting would after show proof of vaccination at the door? Which I believe violates open public meeting act. I mean, isn't that, I mean, that seems obvious. Well, no, because they can still attend through Zoom. So they're not being, they, they can still attend the meeting through Zoom. So it's not in violation of open public meeting act. And so who enforces that? It would have to be our security. Yeah. So attending, attending via Zoom would, would be considered attending. Yeah. What about our staff? Can they, if we had an in-person meeting, would that complicate the staff whose duties are to be at the meeting? Superintendent? So there still is a mask mandate and we need to be wearing masks and then all indoor, whether we agree with the mask mandate or not, the, the mandate

124says we need to be wearing masks in all school buildings. How will we enforce that if we have an in-person board meeting? We will have to ask people to comply. And if they don't comply, what do we do? We shut our meeting down. That's what happened last time. That's why I voted to be on Zoom. I think the primary purpose of moving to Zoom was because of the mask issue and basically the control of the meeting is because we had no control over people attending the meeting, not being masked. And that's why I'm bringing it up. In-person is ideal. In-person is better. We need to get the work done. That's on our board work calendar. That's all I want to say about that. Yeah. I believe the primary reason for moving to Zoom was not

125because of COVID. It was not directly because we were afraid of catching COVID at the meetings. The issue was, was crowd control and the safety of the participants at the meeting. I disagree totally. It's a leadership thing. So if you have the right leadership, then there's no trouble. We have many boards that are meeting in-person and they don't have any particular issues with crowd control. Okay. So anyway, we've got a motion to just hold all the future meetings in-person. So could I amend that motion or suggest an amendment to vote at each meeting, whether we'll hold the next meeting in-person or not, rather than all the rest of the meetings being in-person? Well, if this motion is adopted, it would apply until the board had another motion to the contract. When we voted to hold

126the meetings on Zoom, it was until the board decides otherwise. So that's kind of implied. And Mr. Wilson, you had a comment. Yeah. I would like to say that I definitely believe the reason that we went online was not primarily a COVID reason, but a personal safety reason because of what happened at the board meeting where we had to shut it down. And I did not feel safe at that moment. And being online for the time being until things are less shaky with the election and the new board, I think is a good idea. Is there any other comment? Okay. The motion is that the board move to in-person meetings effective November 17th. All in favor of that motion, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Those opposed, raise your hand and say no. No.

127No. The noes have it. The motion fails. We will not be moving to in-person meetings at this time. Is there any other business to come before the board before we go to the board debrief? Okay. This concludes the business portion of our meeting and the board debrief will be Director Sebring. Did you receive the, I believe the form was on board docs. Yes. And I put it out also, so I can follow that. So for our debrief, there are three questions to be asked of you by me. And the first one is what did the board do well in our meeting? And it might be hard to think back to that, but what did we do well in this meeting? Thinking about what our goals are. Well, I think except for the board leakages, we

128kept pretty close to the topics on the agenda. Yes. Anything else? I think we all listened well. No, I didn't hear people really interrupting or anything. Anything else that anyone thinks went well? Our student representatives had great reports and it was something to be positive about and glad that the kids are back in school and you're having somewhat of a normal life. Well, B, what did not work well for us? We have to be honest here. If nothing- Well, we did get a little off the topic when we started talking about pending litigation. We need to find a way to work together. I mean, that's what did not work well and it's been a problem for quite some time. We need to find a way to work together because it is getting in the way

129of the work we're doing as a district. I'll just say that. It's become a real challenge. Sometimes we go into like racket back and forth between two people and that can be really hard to not do. And I understand that, but it's not productive to the overall time of our meetings. So that's something. I think it's important that we respect a person when they are speaking and not interrupting. The focus of the meeting should have been student achievement. When we don't put any student achievement on, I question why we're meeting. If the superintendent did not have student achievement to tell us, then I don't think we need to meet. In other words, that's the whole purpose we're here. So doing all of this stuff is what's been done for years and years and years. If

130we're going to adopt the Aspen group that says 51% of the meeting is student achievement, then let's do that. And if we don't have any student achievement, to report, then let's not meet. All of this stuff can wait. There's nothing that required any movement tonight to immediately resolve. And that's been the way for many of our meetings. There's nothing that is so time critical that it has to get done. I would like to say that I think the whole first part of the agenda was student achievement. When we're talking about the survey and the feelings of the people that are working with our students, that directly has to do with our student achievement. So student achievement, talking about that, isn't just test results. It's the climate in the schools. It's how our faculty are feeling.

131All of that has to do with student achievement. I believe that. And Kai, you had something to say. Yeah, I'd like to agree that everything we talk to someway ties into student achievement. Because if we don't have a functioning board, we don't have a functioning district. We don't have functioning teachers. We don't have functioning students. So everything, it's in a hierarchy. And the coordination of our board directly goes down through all of the layers to even the kindergartners. So I agree that everything we do in someway is tied to student achievement. Well, I agree with Kai. And I agree what he said about we had an awful lot of conversations just between two people that sounded more like an argument than a discussion. And I don't believe that belongs at a school board meeting. So

132part C, what do we do to improve? It sounds like some of the things that you've already said are things that we can look to improve our next meeting. Anyone else have something to say about that? Okay. Question for you to ask yourselves, and we don't have to discuss that, but what did I contribute? And what can I improve to contribute to the board in a higher level? So if someone doesn't want to share that now, that's something perhaps you should think about prior to our following meeting, because I heard a lot of contribution that really wasn't productive at all. And most of it was just from one board member. So I think we should all think of that if we can. But we as individuals could do to contribute to being a team, not

133four individuals. And those were the questions to go through. So Director Burke, if no one else has anything to say. Okay. Thank you. Director Daley, will you be participating in the Agenda Planning meeting? No. Okay. That will be Friday morning the 12th. Normally the person who attend the person who participates in the agenda planning is the one who would be conducting the board evaluation at the next board meeting. So if you're not attending the agenda planning meeting, do you still want to lead the discussion on the board debrief? No. Okay. So you're not interested in doing either one? Correct. Okay. Fine. So then Director Deal, you'll be at the next agenda planning meeting? So Friday morning, is it at eight 30, eight o'clock or nine? Either way is okay with me. It's pretty much up

134to the superintendent's schedule. Meeting at nine o'clock. So either eight or eight 30. Okay. Well, agenda planning in my experience has been going long. Do we need to make it at eight o'clock? Okay. Let's, let's make it at eight. Is that okay, Director, Superintendent? Yep. That works. Thank you. I can see there. Okay. Thank you. Is there anything else to come before the board tonight? I just want to say, um, I enjoyed working with you guys tonight. Thank you. Good to see your smiling faces. Okay. There be no further business. The meeting is adjourned at 7 29.