001Can you explain? Sure. Yeah. And I mean there's so much I don't know what I think about that when I was reading it. Like I could look it up, but I don't know. I'm sorry. I need paper. some place. I don't know about I have no Okay, we're not we're live. It's automatically last I should Is everybody okay on agendas and everything? What's that? Agendas. I don't have one. They're supposed to give me one. Yeah, I printed one so I can keep track of Here you go. I got it. And then right one your thing. Well, there was little school girls softball games and I don't know if that's Jamie has a daughter playing now, I take it. I don't know if she's going, but he's joining us later. Yeah, we got the rookies tonight
002in charge. So, if you go slow and speaking clearly. Thanks. [Laughter] And we hope to do it right. All right, it is 5:02 and I'm going to call the meeting to order at this time. I ask everyone to please rise for the pledge of allegiance. Algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation under God indivisible. All right. Before we move on to approve the agenda, um I would like to add uh we'll go under new business. It will be letter S, sorry, and it'll be uh entrance uh detail decisions. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda uh with the amendment to it? So move. Okay. Second. I'll second it. Motion by Peggy. Secondly by sorry first time I've done it Paulie seconded by
003Katie. All those in favor I opposed. Okay. All right. At this time we're looking for any comments from the public. Anyone? Okay. Moving on. Treasures report for May 2025. I'll make a motion to approve the treasures. Uh we have a motion by Katie, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? Okay. All those in favor? I opposed. All right, president's record reporter correspondents. I don't have uh much this week. I'm glad everyone made it back safe from the Disney trip and whatnot. And uh I appreciate the cancelling of the marching and the crazy heat we had for the parade the other day cuz those poor kids would have roasted alive. Um, aside from that, uh, just to make note on the agenda, we have no closed meet or no closed portion of this meeting tonight. We are trying
004to, uh, resolve a lot of those issues through committee meeting. Um, so if anyone is wondering why, that's why. Um, how did you get notified there wasn't marshing? You posted on Facebook, I guess. Yeah, I didn't see it. We weren't around though, but good to know. Um, moving on. Superintendent SSA or sorry, SAA state budget update. So, um, just to comment on that, uh, they were practicing out here Friday getting ready for the parade. I mean, they were all set to go. Sounded great. And Miss P was, uh, marching with them. So, just so you're aware, they were here working and they did a couple of segments. They were great. So, um, so what I tried to put in your, uh, package for you guys is the latest. So, we have AEF in there. Um,
005they are kind of our lobbyists working towards the legislature. So, everything that comes in through, I try to keep up. So, I got another one today. Things um, I'll just read to you what what uh, I got in the SAA update today. Uh last week the joint finance committee abruptly cancelled its scheduled vote on several majority agency budgets signaling a breakdown in the budget process. No rescheduled date has been announced and clear signs of an impass have emerged between legislative leaders. Uh in the days following the cancellation, lawmakers released statements suggesting that assembly Republicans have been working with Governor Iver's office in pursuit of a compromise. However, progress has been undermined by divisions within the Senate Republican Caucus. So, that's kind of where we're at right now. We're just standing past I mean, there's a
006lot more to this communicate, but that's essentially the the gist of where we're at. Um, that's what I have on the state budget at this point. I was on an advocacy call today and they said the good thing about this is now everybody has a chance if you haven't already called your legislators to tell them to pass it. Call your legislators. And I want to echo that too because every time so I don't know if you get it but I get calls to action. So every time I do it I do send an email and I get one thing WASBY and I get one from WADA. So I kind of double up. So yeah. So if you guys have the opportunity you probably get some too. I mean it just it helps. So, do you
007get communicate back from I get stuff from the Wisconsin Early Childhood Association of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Head Start Association, but they are echoing the same things. I don't always get something back from the legislators though. I sometimes do, but sometimes not always. So, that's I would expect something. I usually do get something if it seems like it's delayed and it's just a thank you for Yes. contacting us. Very general. Yes. Yes. Definitely hoping things go in school's direction because I don't know if anyone else has seen it, but they're already having campaigns at the gas pumps saying that the schools are going to raise their property taxes if they don't get funded through the state. So basically looking at uh having to deal with that in the future if the state doesn't do something
008better to help out the schools. So thank you Kevin. Uh anything else for this time? All right. Moving on. Reports from the principles. This is Herman. Agr end of the year report. Um, AGR is achievement gap reduction and that is um, it used to be called SAGE. Um, that is our classrooms 18 and below and that's how we for grades K through three 18 and below. And then we also have the option to check two more boxes which is onetoone tutoring which I don't check that box. And then the other box is uh utilizing title one to go in and and push into the room and work with teachers. And so each twice a year I have to come to the board and just let you know that our AGR report is done and that
009we are and that I'm ready to submit it and then Tom uh signs off on the sheet that goes in with it. So just kind of updating everyone what this is. So you can see um looking at our numbers um I did a comparison with last um January February's numbers when I reported out and I don't have that comparison in here. I apologize, but our end of the year um was a little bit lower in the reading than I had hoped for looking at our midyear report when we did. And so, um I don't know what to attribute that to. Um, but I'm going to be looking at that a little more closely at our PLC's with those grade levels to see kind of where we fell at what point in the year and how
010we can make sure we boost that point of the year coming up. I was pleased by the math numbers. Um, math is consistently going up. Um, this will be year four this fall of our new math curriculum. And based on numbers here, I would say that we picked the right curriculum for our students. Um, CKLA our reading, we will be going into um our third year with CKLA. So, I'm hoping that that will change a few things. I think part of the reason we fell in reading is because we were in that Ames web like chaos of trying to test Ames web and fastbridge because Ames web is for the state for act 20 plus we were doing fastbridge. So teachers were learning how to navigate AI as web the new platform and also trying
011to figure out how things aligned with what they were already doing for CKLA. These objectives um will change next fall because I just submitted our new contract for AGR. So once we sit at the table in our PLC's then these objectives could very well change. Um we probably won't go with Ames web benchmarks with the state because we're still doing fast bridge and we still have our local data that we use in the classrooms on those objectives. Yes. So they they're very straightforward. You know a student will recognize 26 uppercase letters but it doesn't have how many students. I know we probably would love to have 100%. But are how do we gauge these percentages as are we doing what we thought we would actually do? Okay. So, we'll want to have that a little
012more clarified on the Yeah. Well, that's 70 70% is what happened. But is our goal that 95% of students will get 26 uppercase and 26 lower or is 65% and then typically we strive for 80% always of our students because that's that's RTI is 8020 right um so we strive for 80%. And in the in the um January they had reported 80% and they reported it out mo with each of them. So 80% of the kindergarteners already recognize and then 75% of the kindergarteners recognize the lower case and then 95% of them were able to produce the sounds. And so that's why Sure. That's how you're getting the 70. But I I if I go 80 is our benchmark, that's helpful to then say some are lower than 80, some are higher. Yep. Because 100%
013is obviously going to be okay hard. But it it looks like how the objectives are written out. It's just we will make sure every student does that. So anytime we're not hitting 100%, it doesn't look like we're meeting the goal. Okay. You're not meeting the objective because it is 100%. You're right. Yeah. I want to give good measurable and achievable objectives. Yes. And we don't um I mean our special ed students are involved in this also. We don't exclude any of those PIP students either. So anyway, is that objective ours or the states? That these are our objectives that Yeah. Okay. Yeah. that the staff have created. I was going to ask if they were the states, but then you said we're putting new ones in. So, yes. I didn't know if that came from
014the state either. All four grades have seen a a little bit of decline towards the spring in the reading. Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean I figure that's where you were kind of like staying but I just wanted clear that it I it when I did that comparison I was like I don't know if they reported differently than they had but it it's based on what we saw on local data also that we looked at at our last data day. I would say that yes these are probably correct in that reading piece. So, we'll make some changes and and see where we land again. And well, I mean, I feel I'm a firm person with the reading. It's a lot of it we really need to be doing. I mean, push obvious obviously we're pushing for
015kids parents to do it at home, but absolutely a lot of it. I mean, I can attest for myself with my going to be fifth grader. It's he needs to do more at home. Yep. And then if um will the objectives match up with the will the terminology so instead of site words you have site words under objective you have tricky words under yes so once we make the new objectives we have to use the same ones for five years because that's where the contract is at. Okay. So then that's why we keep using the same even though it's the tricky and the site words. Yep. Any other questions? Are we looking at any It seems like third grade is the one that's having the biggest struggle here of most of them. I mean, they
016basically go the scores drop from third grade as you go younger from there. um they go or from third grade down they go up but third grade seems to be the one that struggling the most currently. Yes. And so that's one of the reasons that I decided to keep two teachers at that fourth grade level next year is to make sure that they were still separated. And it's not just third grade, but that current class that's in third grade that's now moving to fourth. We saw difficulties with them in the past. Okay. And I won't lie. I'd really like to see some better results. We would too. So maybe we need to put our thinking hats on as to changing some things. we're doing the same thing and we're getting worse or same poor results,
017what's the point of doing it then, right? I think too though as you know you follow those cohorts through um you find that there are groups that are going to be lower overall too. Um at least that's what I've seen in my 30 years. Um, yes, we've got some things we're going to do a little differently and gives me good PLC content. Where's our results for the fourth and the fifth? They are not AGR. Okay. AGR is only kindergarten through third grade. Okay. But what else? What is the what would there be equivalent to AGR? Did you give those to us? Um, that would be their pass bridge data and stuff. Okay. Yeah. All right. Anything else in regards to this? Miss Campbell se coach update. Yeah. So, um, this was our first year implementing
018the, um, social emotional learning coach, which was part of the stronger connections grant. So, part of Natalie Dorik's position here is um, in that role as a coach. Um, so I had the pleasure of meeting with her um, last week um, for quite a while to go over like end of year stuff. um and she just had some great things to share. And so I just thought I would report out on some of how how some of that went and some of the things that teachers um appreciated and then some of the things that we're looking forward to for next year because we will have the same position next year um for sure because we have the stronger connections grant for two years. Um so basically the um SEAL coaching efforts were focused on strengthening
019teacher understanding and implementation of that SEAL um so the social emotional learning strategies with individualized support and then classroombased observations and the goal was building teacher capacity in applying those practical trauma-informed SEAL practices to help with student engagement and then emotional regulation and classroom climate. So, the overall process is that um number one, she is a peer coach. So, she works with the staff um on a peer-to-peer basis. It's not um she's not observing them for evaluative purposes or whatever, but just there as someone to help out with things. Um so, she would have a pre-observation consult um mostly with new teachers in the district. So, everyone that had less than three years of teaching um we required that they would work through these coaching cycles with her. and then our veteran staff had the
020opportunity to if they wanted to. Um, and then she would do a classroom observation. Um, she could collect data or whatever based on what that teacher was looking for assistance with and then one post um observation consultation. So, some of the things that teachers requested were um tips and help for stress management and self-care for both staff and students, deescalation and calming strategies, things to help with work life balance um and lifestyle wellness, uh classroom management, goal setting, and then the social emotional competency skill build and then um integrating SEAL daily into structured time. Um, some really great quotes from staff that were surveyed was that it was really nice to be able to talk and brainstorm together about these classroom strategies and challenges. Um, the links that she shared were really quick, effective, realistic,
021and fun. Um, she someone said that they really enjoyed a lot of the calming resources that they went over um and appreciated her willingness to come into the classroom and learn from us and then teach us different perspectives. And then someone else said for Miss Dornick is refreshing and reassuring that we're all in this together. So those were just things that our staff had brought up. Um so some needs for next year. They had a lot of great um ideas about ways that we could improve next year and then she was able to come back kind of meeting with us to say like these are some things that the staff might feel like would help. So we'll be looking further into those strategies. Um, one thing that uh, just for the board to keep in
022mind in those that participated in one of her surveys, um, some key findings. So, among our staff, and this is K12, um, emotional and physical exhaustion, 88.9% of the respondents reported experiencing emotional or physical exhaustion. So, made that the most prevalent concern for teaching staff. Um, 77.8% 8% um indicated that there was difficulty maintaining a work life balance or experiencing symptoms of burnout and then um physical symptoms of stress with 61.1%. So those were the highest levels of concern which we have talked about many times that number one teaching in general is a very um strenuous profession. um teaching here in this district is difficult and our staff need support. So um I'm happy that they feel that the SEAL coach is beneficial and that it's going well and it's something that we would love
023to see continue. Um hopefully that we will be able to do that even after the experience. What is her percentage of time with that? She's 02CL coach. Wouldn't it be great to have somebody more than that? It's a It's a huge need and it has been forever. Yeah, 100%. And so a lot of districts, most bigger districts have um an instructional peer coach and that is the person that works primarily with new teachers on like curriculum and design and classroom management and those types of pieces. Um, and we're a pretty small district, so it' be a little tough for that here, but um, that's kind of what we modeled this idea off of when we had the grant funding. And then we just did it with the more SEAL lens because, um, it fit with
024the grant. And then also, it's a very high need in our district. Employee assistance programs in the big schools are Yeah, they're huge. and HR requirements of course, but yeah, we're too small to have any at So with a grant, does it cost us anything to have it down? So it's only the 2.2. Yeah. So that doesn't cost us anything. What's the likeliness that we're going to get it? Is it basically another two this coming year? We'll put it again for another two years and we'll see if we or is it out of this funding source? I believe that there is a further option for it. Oh, so we'd have to look for other funding opportunities. So, we're basically have one more year of this and then Okay, because my next question was going to
025kind of be I mean I know this year we have a bunch of new student teachers, but and I didn't know it was only a point too cuz I was questioning like you know with some of our veteran teachers who probably don't want to do it but also we want to make sure she has enough case load too but of course the point you know she's probably she obviously has her hands full with especially with our new staff. So she actually had quite a few veterans I would expect that that did work with her. I would expect a lot of veterans. And she approached it as if nothing else, I would like to come and learn from you all and look at what strategies you use so that I can bring those back to other
026newer teachers or different teachers that might be struggling with things. So, she would kind of get a gauge on like who does this really well with that lens and then be able to bring that back to other people as well. I don't know if the mental health money will continue that we've had in the past, but if it did, um, what using a head start is we have a mental health professional come in once a month for an 8 hour day. We pay them hourly and they go into both classrooms briefly. Um, we talk about every child individually. It might just be no concerns, things are great or there's been improvement. And then every staff member has an opportunity to meet with them once a month as well. Yeah, it's very nice. And we do
027have a full-time once a week, one full day a week person that is a mental health professional on this grant as well. But they basically work with our highest need students. Um, and that is generally for people that have a hard time with like insurance deductibles or that type of thing. Um, and aren't able to get it otherwise. So the numbers you gave the 87 78 68 was that precl or that was the end of the school year. That was the end of the school year. So even with all the SEAL stuff those were the numbers that they were giving. Now granted I think it was in the last week of school. So, I feel like if you did it 3 weeks prior, you might have very different results. But yes, it' just be interesting
028to see these numbers compared like through the year, you know, cuz I mean it a program can sound great, but it it all depends on how much it's actually helping along. And if we only have it for another year, then we really need to start setting up what's going to be in place of it or what we can develop through it. Um cuz otherwise we've just wasted two years of a grant. Well, and she is developing like um common folders for staff that have all the resources that she's been compiling in it. So people will have that long term and then just getting a feel for what staff need and then bringing it back to us to give us better ideas on how to help staff. Um I think will hopefully continue on. But yes,
029having a position of this sort in some capacity would be wonderful for the future. Hopefully they'll be able to use the strategies long term, but I by the end of the year I'm not surprised that they're that high. Yeah. And I don't think they lessen throughout the year whether there's anal coach or not. I mean, it's just a high burnout Yeah. position. So, I'll play just slight devil's advocate. I don't disagree with anything that anyone's saying here, but some of those stress feeling numbers, they're not just from workplace. They're other things that are going on in one in one's life. and there I I would hate for us to feel like we would have to shoulder the responsibility of handling other things that people also need to handle between their health and their finances and
030the things that go along with it. There's big pieces. Okay. Anything else from Miss Campbell in regards to the coach updates? Thank you very much. Moving on. special education director. End of the year wrap-up. My end of the near end of the year numbers. Um you can see we started the year with 80 students. We ended with 89. Um we did have 16 new evaluations throughout the year resulting in a diagnosed disability and a need for special education services. Um we had five graduates during the year. um few more manifestation meetings than normal. 26 reevaluations this year. So it was a a big year for reavals. Um yes, you can see the numbers there on the special ed side. The homeless, we started the year with no homeless and ended the year with 16 total.
031Still reported, no self-reported homeless. doesn't mean they weren't homeless, right? We work with the same family. So, definitely. Yes, it is. It is. Have we started The open enrollment period is technically over. I know that people open enroll pretty much anytime. Do we know where we're at with open enrollment in and out for fall? Not yet. We don't have any idea yet. And I know they don't finalize it until August. Correct. So, we don't have any applications at this point. And I don't know the answer to that question. I don't mean just special ed. No, but I mean that No, Lisa will have handles that. There's emails coming through right now on that completing the open enrollment stuff and I get them, she gets them and then she needs to comply to things. Okay. And
032I know they don't have to choose until, right? And the alternate open enrollment period starts July 1, I think. Okay. So, well, as always with this, of course, uh like to know how we're doing on staffing in regards to what we're projecting for needing staffing for next year. um if it looks like we're going to be going to be able to meet that or if we're going to be struggling to find some more. Um cuz if we could have not necessarily an answer right now, but like the next month or two, it'd be nice to have an answer on possible case loads we're looking at in elementary and middle and high school. So you can you look at actual numbers that we're dealing with and the staff that will be addressing them. I was wondering
033on the I know that it had become even before I left that a lot of people were saying we don't need a three-year readal we don't need a three year redal and that is not necessarily a bad thing but some of the kids I've noticed who are being getting evaluations outside of the district there are huge changes um that we maybe didn't anticipate being as significant as they are Do you think we need to relook at some of that? Deciding not to do the three-year revals in some cases, not in all. I mean, it makes sense where we can keep kids STD to keep them there. Yes. But after that, um, so we have in the past looked at that information and initiated reevaluations earlier than three years. Um, there are a number of students
034that do get re-evaluated every three years. It's on case by case basis, right? Um if we decide at a three-year period that we don't need a reaval right now, the next three-year period we do do a reval. So we don't go any more than you don't skip more than there are no consecutive. Absolutely not. That makes me feel we don't do consecutive. We don't skip more than one. It's not fair to the student and the needs of the student. And we try to get them, we try to make really try really hard to make sure that we get them like just before they go into middle school or right after they start and then right away freshman, sophomore year in high school because then we can adjust things as we need to as they're moving
035through. I kind of have a random question and I don't do we ever get families who are like in denial and they're like my kid doesn't need this. I mean, I'm sure we have families who are pushing for maybe more needs than what the kid like we're evaluating, but I just wonder if it's ever the opposite. You know, you have a parent like sometimes just like in denial like we have I think with the younger childhood we do for Yeah, I would think that. I just wonder as they get older. We have had um referrals made through the district or we actually had a couple out now with the bridge school and when parent they discussed it with parents parents didn't want the re the evaluation. So and that's they're right. Yeah. And there are
036kids that don't qualify twice in a row and then I'll qualify the third evaluation and you're like you know that they're going to down the line but they're not right at that level. Well, I think sometimes it's just like understanding the ins and outs because I mean as dealing with like an autistic kid like I don't really know the ins and outs like okay they're medically diagnosed but then like understanding what is the other like school diagnosed educated you know and like when do I get information on that because at the moment it's significant developmental delay and that's what she's being serviced. Yeah. I just it's just like the breakdown and like understanding it. So, you know, as a guardian confusing at times and even the the autism diagnosis from one thing to another. Thanks,
037Denise. All right. Anyone have anything else? Moving on. New American report impact aid. I say that between Laura and I, we have finalized paid. It took a while, a lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, but we are officially done for this year. So that's all I have. Do you know roughly how many of our students are have participated in the ES program? I don't know the numbers. No. Okay. which just starts this week though. So I mean they always have applications due at a certain time but I don't think they actually deny anybody in the fall. I usually ask the coordinator for that um for all the students and the number of hours that they just curious things to do to keep them busy during the summer you know. Yeah. All right. Anyone
038have anything else for Thank you. Moving on. Waiting for approval of the minutes of the committee of the whole meeting minutes from May 22nd, 2025. Motion to approve. Got a motion by Paulie, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I post. Looking for approval of the regular regular school board meeting minutes from May 27th, 2025. Make a motion to approve those. Motion by Katie, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed for approval of the special board meeting minutes from June 16th, 2025. A motion to approve those. Second. Motion by Katie, seconded by Paulie. All those in favor or sorry, any discussion? All right. All those in favor? I post committee of the whole meeting minutes for July 17th, 2025. June June 17th, 2025. Sorry. Motion. Second. Motion by Corey,
039seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I post. On to new business. you have the BCPL general obligation loan. So, um Kevin can speak to this more, but this is in regards to that loan option we discussed at the committee of the whole meeting last week. um we don't have to sign off on the on going with the loan at this point. Um however, if we would want that as an option to be able to have it for this upcoming school year, we have to uh get an application submitted. And even once we have the application submitted, even if it's approved, it's still we still don't have to take it, but at least it would be an option that we could possibly have. Um, and the whole idea behind it is is if
040we were to take out this loan, we would no longer have the aim of short-term borrowing. Basically, we'd be borrowing against ourselves uh once again like with the fund balance, but we'd have to repay this amount uh to the state uh fund over the next 10 years. So, Kevin, tonight all I needed based on the timeline of everything, all I needed tonight was approval from the board to submit an application and an amount. She did a1 million and a $2 million amount. Um Laura and I did go through this was without bear though. So at this point in time based on some of the expenditures we had last year that we were going to take out that we didn't take out. For example, boiler repair was one of them. We should not have a boiler
041repair with new boilers this year. So items like that. We did come up with an amount with the teacher reduction in order to pay that $260,000 payment for this year. The thought and we have to do this all with bears. So I don't want you this is far from being you know finalized or anything but we just did an initial look at on some of the things that we could reduce or not take out of the budget to pay that wall amount for next year. But what it would look like though moving forward is that payment likely would have to come out of different pots of money each year, you know, so for example, one of the ideas was rather than buying Chromebooks every year, we could go to Chromebooks every other year. So those
042are some of the things and that was suggested by staff as well. So those are some of the things we're looking at. So just to do a ballpark payment on the loan, we just we did that. So, if you were to approve for me to get the application and whatever amount you guys decide, even if you went with the higher amount, it's nothing you're obligated to or anything like that. And the next time we would come back, I would share with you the application, the process, and then we would have more concrete numbers. I know Tom wanted specific cut numbers that we would work with with Bear. We just haven't met with them yet. We meet with them in July, mid July. Yeah, he was out with you guys inside. So, all I would need
043tonight is just an approval to to submit the application and an amount. Do we know a difference between the two amounts? I mean, it's a lot, but like I know we know the difference, but I mean, like, is a million going to be enough for us or do we really need to go for that 2 million? I don't think a million would be enough. It would certainly help. Um, we feel very comfortable. We And now, you can speak to this that the payment is definitely reasonable there that we could do it. The $2 million payment. What's that? The 2 million or the 1 million? 1 million. Yeah. Would it be that was that's a payment repayment of 132. So you think we can do we you think we'd be able to swing at least for
044this year the 2 million is what you're see that's what I'm telling you. Even if you did this and even if we went for that $2 million amount once we get back and circle around with Baird I will tell you yes for sure. But we just did an initial um budget just ballparking without B. And you said with the cuts that would be coming back telling us what you guys think we should cut right to make those payments. So just for example, not just the payments but in general. So get back on budget. Think of it this way. Um let's say we had uh we were short-term borrowing like 1.7 at times during the year. If we never got below owing like 300 grand for the whole year, that means we were overbudget by like
045300 grand. Okay, so 300 on top of the 1.7 gives us 2 million. All right. Now, we were looking at with all of the restructuring from the staff and a bunch of other things, we're already looking at saving roughly around 350 coming into this next year. However, if we're still saving that, but we're still overspending by 300, we need to find where we're overspending at, which Barrett is supposed to be doing, so we can get our budget back in line. Um, because even though we might have found the money to make the payment, it doesn't mean we've found the leak in the boat, so to speak. Um, so that's what I'm wanting from Kevin and Lauren Barrett is basically to come up with how much we need to cut to basically stop the leaking and
046be able to actually build back towards a fund or just be solvent where we don't have to worry about going to short-term lending. Because with the 1 million, we're still going to end up going to short-term lending the way things are right now, which isn't unusual for schools to do like one or two times during the year. That is very typical, but doing it every month of the year. I don't know if it's very typical. About 70% of school districts do it without any short-term borrowing. It's just over 25% that actually engage in it all the time. So, um, we're not, it's not like every school does it, though. It's okay cuz No, it's not. It's like getting a credit card to pay off a credit card the way we're going and it's not working
047out. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's why Yeah. We could use this and as a way of basically becoming our own borrower once again as opposed to having to go to short-term borrowing all the time, which is normally how the fund balance would be working for a school. They would pull from it and then add back to it as the year went. And we basically don't have a fund balance anymore or very little of one. So, this would basically become our new fund balance that we would draw off of for our payments, but we wouldn't be going to the bank all the time and having to be in debt to them constantly. Now, mind you, we're going to be in debt to a state bank for the next 10 years. Um, but once that's done, that money
048is all the schools. Once it's paid, it's all the schools at that point if we don't end up borrowing again. Right. Exactly. Three loans right now. I'm not convinced. Well, that's why we need to look at how much we're actually overspending to be able to make this a reality. And the loans we have out right now aren't all towards operational, right? So, it's we might have a potential savings on the roof and boiler. We not may not spend all of what the referendum was, but we can't take that money and put it in fund balance. It's not allowed. Our options are to pay off the loan or to find the other capital projects that were allowable in the referendum. And the playground loan also was not part of, right? So there's separate, but if we
049could do anything towards those, we'd be able to lower our payments towards those, which would help the overall budget in itself. Um so yeah it's this is not a do all solution. We need to make cuts even if we go this route but it's a potential route where we wouldn't be looking at going to a bank for money all the time constantly and we'd be able to build the school's credit back up via this method. How will it affect the school's credit with the situation now being that we aren't able to borrow like community bank isn't able to fund right now that last referendum or doesn't choose to I should say um what what does this do to our credit limit our limit not our limit our credit our rating our rating of B++ you
050want to take that typically I think A is expected but I think this does help our credit rating to have at least some sort of plan because the first thing they always ask you is, you know, do you have a forecast model? Do you have a and that's those are things we didn't have before. So, we're making steps in in that direction. Um, so that's where we're at from a credit standpoint. Um, it's I mean, there are districts in the C range. Um, but I think we would want to be better than that. Certainly, we were in the A range prior prior to that fund balance draw. last one. But this doesn't obligate us to anything if we just apply for it, have an amount that we want, then we bring Debbie back into the
051mix and we start planning from from that point. So the sheet that I had that had the the process on it was just this was the next step in the process. So, um, aside from this, do we have an idea what those final numbers are going to be yet? Is bear giving you an idea when the forecast is going to start pulling in? Do we have a meeting scheduled with them? What's the date? July 7thish. Okay. Because the next meeting, we might have to make a decision on this. And I think we'd all like to have the information as to what our budget's going to be looking like before we sign up for this. Find out we can't afford this either, you know. Well, and the other thing is if we apply and it's denied,
052it's a done deal. So, I mean, we don't have any guarantee that that application is even going to result in funding, do we? I think so. I think we do. We do have a guarantee. Any cost? Is there any cost of what? Not that. No. My other question is is what does that be? Whatever BCL it is the board of commissions of public. Thank you. State trust fund. Well, I make a motion to go ahead and fill out the application and go for whatever amount you think is going to best suit us to stay above water. And then once you guys get the full numbers from your meeting in July, bring it back to the board and we go from there with the numbers that they come back to us with. But I I wanted
053you guys as a board to be silently involved. I don't think did Debbie give any option of doing the million now and then in a year or two doing another million if needed. She didn't. I felt like she said if you apply for the 2 million, you don't have to use all of it. Well, that's that's just it. It's a credit card, right? Like so why not go for the 2 million? Exactly. That's where I'm and we just wanted to come back to you next year. we feel like we can make the payment, but we want to confirm that with Bayard. I don't want you to take that to heart right now. I wonder and not that I want to try to hold anything away from the public, but that above the million dollar mark
054does allow a 30-day time period for the public to weigh in and petition. Yeah, we publish it in the paper and then there's next steps. So, if we do the 2 million, we have to go through that process. If we do the 1 million, we do not have to go through that. But if we do the 1 million and it's not enough, then we have to go. That's why I'm saying we know the million's not enough. We know it's not enough. So I would go with and we did we did do a state trust fund petition before. It's not like we haven't done it. I mean y I say go for the application for the 2 million. That's my I'll second it. Okay. So, just to clarify, we have a motion uh to apply for
055the $2 million uh operational loan through the BCPL um by Kelly and seconded by Corey. Of course, any further decision on it will be based on whatever numbers we get back. Um but at this time this is just for the application process to continue onward for now. Mhm. Yes. All those in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. In the meantime, do we get a copy of the full budget? Does the board and go through it a line by line item budget? Maybe she will bring the budget forth and that's what we're working with bear. Is that what happened in July typically? Yes. To for the board and last year it was getting added into schedule. So here's the other thing. I just want to make this really clear. So we put together a budget in July
056to the best of our ability and everything that we do is based on the previous year. Those are the only numbers that the best numbers we have and some best guesses based on some expenditures that might be coming. That's that's typically what we do. the funding and legislature doesn't submit funding that till October till October. Now I don't know how many other businesses run like that not many. So that's sometimes putting the budget together in July isn't the same as what the revenue is in October. Just so that's a big problem change sometimes. Well, and you guys don't know like what comes from the federal land trust fund. Oh, the feds impact aid. No, that's random. That's just random. We have a budgeted amount that we use on the previous year. Everything she starts with
057is on the previous year and that's recommended. Most districts will say that's where you start. Does the budget show like what we pay administration and so is it all itemized out? It is not. No, it is not. It is a How do you want to explain it? How do you want to say it's it's it's well it is and it isn't. So the one that like you guys see is like a summary because actually my budget is 500 something. So yeah. No, no, no. Um we've been put having her put like Katie's been working. We're kind of like requ and Tom like the last few things like lately it's you've kind of been giving a spreadsheet and seeing so we're able to see things to like break it down for us to understand. I think
058with Bear too they're going to you know hopefully next month it's all more and putting that into a and they have more easier to read. And the reason it's so complicated, tell me if I'm wrong, is that like a staff member's position, some of it comes from this pocket, some of it comes from this grant, the rest of it's paid out of this account. And so that makes it much harder and they're goofy configurations, right, of how those get linked together. And it's really hard because there are a lot of things that would be considered not a huge amount of money, but when you add all those little things up, and I just made a request for records on the Wisconsin Association of School Boards to see what we pay them. And this school year
059alone, we paid them $17,000, over $17,000. And the information the meeting the other night when I contacted other agencies was not overly accurate. and I did contact him and discuss that with him. But what are we paying different agencies and organizations that we're we're not getting our value for? And if if you know the Wisconsin Association of School Boards wants to align with the Wisconsin District Administrators Association, which is what it looks like it's doing, then is that going to benefit our school board or is it not? So that's why some of those smaller cost items are big. $17,000 in my budget's quite a bit. While it's not in a $2 million budget, how many other items are there that are between 15 and $40,000 that we can actually look at eliminating? So there are
060legal fees within the WSB and they are half the price of any other attorney. That's part of service you get for the firm. Yes. And legal fees were again 42% over budget. I mean, there's got to be a way to reduce those costs. Well, I think I think as far I mean, we're starting to get off topic. Yeah. So, I think I'm not against the board having a whole separate meeting where we would potentially talk about the budget once it's prepared and go over things. I think that probably would be the best route to go. So once they uh Kevin, Laura, and Bear get done with all that, let us know and we'll schedule something from there. So I feel like we'll be in a better position in case the public petitions against us if
061we actually know where we stand. Yeah. So moving on. Was there anything else in regards to just the loan application? Okay, moving on. Policy 345.5, Siren School Act 20, promotion policy and 30 345.5, exhibit Act 20, family notification policy. I make a motion that we accept it. Approve it. Approve it. accept, I guess. All right, we've got a motion by Jamie, seconded by Eric. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Elementary student handbook for the 2025 2026 school year. Make a motion that we accept it. Second. Joined by Jamie, seconded by Kelly. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I opposed. Middle school high school student handbook for 2025 2026. Make a motion to accept it. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Certified staff handbook
062for 2025 2026. Make a motion to accept. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I post. No. Support staff handbook 2025 2026. I'll make a motion to accept that. Second. Motion by Jamie, seconded by Kelly. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Directors, administrators, and district office staff handbook for 2025 2026. Make a motion to accept it. I'll second motion by Jamie, seconded by Kelly. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Snack account setup. Uh, can you approve it? Yeah, we just need to approve it. This would be an account that people could donate money towards. Okay. Um, for it's snack and the class of 29. Well, there's two. It's an H and an I though. So, on that same sheet, but they're two different line items.
063So, with the snack account, is that this remind me is that separate than the extra lunches or is that the same as the extra lunches? It's all going to be How are you going to divide up if I give you money and I'm like this is $100 towards track snacks? I have versus Tom's $50 health that has all sorts of Okay. Just Yeah, just giving you another headache. I mean, I think it's needed, but yeah, it'll be a little bit tricky with them. Yeah. So, this is going to be because we're basically solvent with our lunch program, meaning everyone's all caught up to date. There's no one that still owes money on it or anything like that. So, at this point, there are still kids that, you know, would want maybe a second lunch or
064maybe there's uh wanting to do healthy snacks or something like that. This would be a fund where the public could donate to it to help get those kids those extra lunches if they want them or to get snacks, the different classes, stuff like that. Wow. In the past, people donated money to bring up lunch debt and so now there isn't a need to make up for the lunch debt, right? So this is created in lie of debt. So all those in favor or sorry have we voted? I'll make a motion to approve the snack the snack account setup account number. I don't know and the class of 2029 and we do them together though because it's an H and I they're two separate line items. They're just on the same piece of paper. You're saying
065okay I think we we need to do them separate, right? Okay. So, the snack account, I make a motion to approve the snack account setup. Second. Okay. So, we have a motion by Jamie, seconded by Kelly for the snack account setup. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? I'll make a motion to accept the class of 2029 activity accounts. I have a question, but I'll have someone else second it. I'll second it. Okay, Cy. So, we have a motion by Jamie, seconded by Corey for the class of 2029 activity count setup. Any discussion? So, is this something new? I don't feel like we've ever had this opposing to us priority set up for the other We just never really approved. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Okay. Just curious. And then, so with them doing stuff
066as eighth graders, how did that work? Like do they do were you just kind of keeping it set like because it's the same group, right? Because they were doing fundraisers this year to go on an eighth grade class trip. Now they're going to be freshman. So how how did you just kind of curiosity not to put you on the spot? They start out at seventh and eighth grade account. Okay. Once they go high school into Gotcha. Okay. Do we have to vote to close accounts after those classes graduate? And where did the extra funds go that are Um, do they want to pay out and they take it to Bremer Bank? Lately, I haven't had to do that. So, they don't have any money or do we not? Just our kids this year when they
067went to Mall America, each kid got paid out $50 cash to post shopping. And isn't sometimes that money hold on for like future um Yes. I'm like, oh, so the accounts just stayed open. Jessica graduated in 2014 and she was on the list. So, she needed to pull the money out and set up a new account at community. Oh, they're supposed to set up that they do that but to pull it out. Do we need to send out maybe I mean I have to give you more workload but maybe send up letters. Of course, you probably don't have contacts for because what was it usually like the president? Who is it? Yeah. or it was the class advisor like certain people the class advisor and said hey you guys can probably do that I think
068I was president in all my years except senior year I'm like I'm out I don't want responsibilities see maybe that's something probably be combined with other accounts but you guys have to right well if you bring forth the ones you think should be combined yeah how far back does some of this potentially go like my grandpa used to have reunions every year and they were pushing. I don't know how many. That's what I All right. So, yeah. Let's look into that. In the meantime, we have the motion on the floor. We have approval. We have a second. Anything else in regards to this motion? All those in favor? I opposed. All right. Um looking for a motion to accept the resignation for the grant writer position from Rachel McN. Make a motion to accept the
069resation of Rachel or grant writer. I'll second that. Motion by Kelly, second by Jamie. Any further discussion? Hope we find Is that posted? Did we have someone internally interested? Somebody did express interest internally. Okay. Can't remember where we left that. All those in favor? I post. I make a motion to accept the resignation of all of these titles of Ryana Johnson. I'll second that. A motion by Kelly, seconded by Katie to accept the resignation of middle school, high school science teacher, student council, volleyball coach, junior high assistant, Rihanna John Rihanna Johnson. Johnston. All those or any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. We make a motion to accept the resignation of boys basketball high coach Jesse Gilbertson. I'll second that. We have a motion by Kelly, seconded by Jamie. Any discussion? All those in
070favor? I opposed. I'll make a motion to accept the resignation of Craig Hall for football junior high assistant. Second that. Or cover. We got a motion by Paulie, seconded by Eric to accept Craig Hall's football junior high assistant resignation. All any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Thanks. Looking for a motion to uh to hire middle school baseball assistant Trevor Tex. Make that motion. A motion by Katie, seconded by Eric. Is this for this year? Yeah. Yeah. This season is almost over. Yeah, it's for that one. Got it. Yeah. Jordan resigned, right? All those in favor? I opposed. Looking for a motion to hire middle school high school social studies. To hire is it Colin Williams? I'll second that. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Jamie. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I opposed.
071Make a motion to hire sped teacher Elizabeth Arts. Second. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Eric. Any discussion? All those in favor? I post. I make a motion to hire it coordinator Benjamin Kick. I'll second that. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Katie. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. I make a motion to hire cross country middle school at and high school assistant assistant Macy Bentley. I'll second that. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Jamie. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Okay. So, this came up today. Uh it was brought to Eric's attention. So, I'll let you go into this. The guys doing the front entrance need some answers for details. Uh color of the railing, black or green. Uh the the decorative wall will be two colors. Match the outside of the building.
072It will be tan and dark brown. They need to decide us us decide this tan on bottom, dark brown on top or vice versa. And then what? Same with those walls. If we want to step down halfway down the ramp or stay the same level the whole way. Contractor Corey, what would look better? Color blind. Dude, it'll make any of this. I talked to them already and they they they they think that going with the tan on bottom, dark on top is going to look better. Is that what matches the brick? Yeah. And then stepping down will look better and black will look better. Yeah. And I agree with everything. I agree with that. Yeah. Likelihood that the green would match the doors and the railing the railing would be black. Black. Yeah. That's your
073thought. They heard black and green. So they want to know what we want. I think black and green. I think it'd be easier to keep it off touch up and stuff, too. Can we just Can we just get that? We We want to make sure we get done writing here. So, let's Okay. So, I'll I'll do it. I'll put forth the motion for the outside entrance uh coloring to be tan on the bottom, dark on the top on the uh ramp wall, and that there be a half step down on those ramp walls and that the railings be black. Hanny fluff. So that was everything. Yep. Right. That's everything. And then so you'll get in touch with them. I'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll have these in the minutes. So too late. Cory already did.
074Sorry. So any further discussion motion? Tomy and Cy, you had a question. My question is is are you guys going to end up I don't know where the ramp is coming out at, but are you guys going to end up having to move the curb cutout on the road? Two ramps, one I know, but the one that goes at a huge diagonal right now, they're not they're both going to go like straight out and then towards the sidewalk. So like the one the ramp on this side. Yeah. The cutout might look like it's going to like go this way when you have to get off or is the cutout going to go at the end of the ramp. Like is the sidewalk going to have to be the sidewalk. I think that would be the
075village decision. Sidewalk. They're not touching the sidewalk. That's on the village. Well, they'd let you do it, but you'd have to pay the cost. But I was just like George. So I was just wondering because I was wondering how the curb cutout currently only meets up with the crosswalk. If we added another it would be a different painted c they'd be like a Y crosswalk to get through. Well, I just assume maybe the the one crosswalk would go more straight versus at a diagonal. So I was just curious. I was just looking at the angle myself. So that's maybe when it comes time to replace the curb in the future, we could look at changing where you know to make that crosswalk straight. That was like I said that was just a thought on my
076head when I was driving by. All right. So we have the motion. Uh it's been seconded. All those in favor? I I opposed. All right. Meeting calendars committee as a whole. I would like to make a suggestion that we just make this a standing meeting the third Monday of the month followed by the fourth Monday of the month being the full board meeting. I'm not against that for next month for sure. I'd like to go back to our regular meetings like we used to do have our small committee meetings because it's easier to make meetings and have to get all seven of us to get our calendars to match. I made the suggestion out for the month of July. Yeah, typically we do defer reports. Typically that's the administrator or monk out, not me, but
077typically there based on the contracts. The other thing I was wondering, would you be willing to um file have the regular meeting at the end of the month on the Tuesday the 29th versus Monday the 28th? I I was going to go on vacation and leave after the 21st because I figured that's when we'd have uh Yeah, that actually works better for me. I just And you don't have to. I'm just asking and can't. That's fine. I'll make it work. That Tuesday I'm fine with the monthly being on the 29th. Make a motion that we have the July monthly meeting on Tuesday, July 29th. I'll second that. All those in favor? I I have five. So, right. Yes. Okay. Um and then for the committee of the whole uh 14th through the 21st. Does either
078one work better for anyone? I think we had said it was easier for budgeting to not have it happen in the middle and that's why going to that third the 21st is better from the pull some well we may end up needing to do another special meeting after you guys meet with Yeah. before the pal anyways. How? So, committee the whole the 21st. I'll make a motion to have the committee of the whole on the 21st. We don't have to make motions for our meetings. Okay. Then I don't make a motion. Writing it down. So, we're What time was the cow? 4:00 as always or thus far, I should say. On the 21st. Yes. Wait, did you guys want it at five? Katie, Paulie, well, I like them to be consistent, but scheduled out for
079the rest of the year, so I'd like the time to be the same for this for the same reason. Yeah. So, we had at four. We've added four thus far. So, continue. We can't do four o'clock. I'm in college right now. I prefer if it's going to be at 5 that committee of the whole at 5. It also gives public opportunity to be here if they work until if they don't get off work before that. I'm fine with five if everyone else is. But are we going to have the public on the 25th comment during the cow? We don't have to. How long are these? I mean, depends. It depends on what's Okay. I won't be here for the full meeting then. If they last that long, I can be here for part of the
08021st at 5. Yep. anything that any of us can do. I mean, it's there's seven of us. There's bound to be conflicts here and there. I mean, it's just really Yeah, it happens. So, we just do what we can. All right. Looking for approval of the bills for the cycle of May 24th. I did go through this with Laura just so that it's publicly on here. On page one, there's a concrete work entrance of $21,030. And on page two, that same payment is coming up again. And she said it was just the way that it hit one account and then the check came in and we're utilizing those uh referendum dollars to do it, but the original amount did have to come out of us. So, we had to repay ourselves. So, it looks like
081those are in there twice. Well, same thing with the Earth Energy. What was that total? Because that's in there three times. Was it $1,500 or close to cuz there's a payment on 610 and then there was another two of the same I thought around that 21 if I looked at this correctly. Yeah. So I did two separate payments to Earth Energy. One for the 4,000 members 4,300 4,625 Yeah, that shows up three times though. There's a six a 69 payment 6ix9ine payment of four 4,625 to Earth Energy twice. And then what was the first page of the one for Earth Energy? The first one was on page two. Two. And that was another one for 4,625. So that's on there three times. Two is dated 69 and one's dated 610. See the 6ix9ine now? It's
082it's on page four. It's the date the date six. That's moving it to fund 49. So if you look at the total page in the back, it breaks them out between the funds. So that the um concrete work and earth energy got moved to fund 49. I had to pay them out of our general couns. And then when I got the check from the bank for the referendum, then I applied that to the fun 10 accounts. So those are cleared out. Peter to pay himself. they were pressing on the amount for the they wanted a partial payment to get started on right and earth so earth energy got two payments of 4,625 so the bill was split in half I remember there was discussion of I was just unclear with the way this looks okay
083thanks for that clarification I do have other questions what's the almost $8,000 that we're paying Frederick school district for wrestling wrestling this year is that for high school or is that for middle school or is that all of That's LS or synergy. I understand that. But that's co-op. Is that with uniforms? Like because we don't have like I'm just Do we have a breakdown? Cuz that's a lot. Like we don't pay any of our programs here that amount and that's going to a co-op. So that just seems like a really high amount. Would pay that amount like for hockey. It's per kid. So well hockeyy's on here. So now we're paying Luck. Luck is overseeing the hockey program. They Yeah. Whoever switches, whoever the athletic director is in charge, they they switch. But we have
084way more students involved in wrestling than we do. Typically, they're all based on a per pupil. And the gymnastics is a thousand bucks because that's just the bare minimum. We also play girl pay for hockey. We don't have anyone in gymnastics. We don't have anyone in girls hockey. I don't think we pay anything for girl hockey. I think we just sign that we're part of it because I don't think because we haven't had anything. I feel like last time he brought it to us. You're right. That one might not be a payment. But we have to continue to be part of those co-ops to keep the number between boy sports and girl sports equal. We have tons of kids in wrestling and all of practices we use Frederick's gym, Frederick's equipment all. So are they
085billing us separate? I mean it'd be great to actually see that all broke down. You send me an email tomorrow. It is the bill. What's that? Is that if you send me an email tomorrow? Okay. I can't get in the sky right now. Okay. The only thing I would be curious about is if if any of those fees entail um anything below uh high school or middle school just out of curiosity because I know they'll start to get lumped in. It shouldn't be because then those are that goes to Bulldog club. Wrestling covered the high school portion for many years and the schools did. Well, that's why I'm just questioning is this wrestling just for high school or is this middle school too? So if it's middle school and like it makes more sense, but
086if it's just high school, it seems like a lot. Assuming it's middle school, it's high school and middle school because they practice together. Everything is together for wrestling. What's that? And then I have a question on the Northwest Technical. Can you like I'm assuming this is for their um alternative diplomas, but can we can you explain again to me why we get the cost of that? There are students. Okay. So, we just have to make sure that that they graduate versus since they didn't do it in regular here. Correct. There are students and they have alternative diplomas from our school and there still are students when they go. It's just another place that they can go to finish up their degree. Yeah. Or they can't do it. Um, we are actually required to if a
087student is designated as at risk and they ask to attend that program, the school is required to do that. And is that separate from ALC or is that a program ALC uses? That's separate. It's totally different programs. Yeah. Correct. Because our ALC kids can get a regular diploma. Okay. They can. Okay. We don't have a teacher for next year. What's the difference with the cost? Does that's cuz the kids had to make up extra credit based on takes time. So do we have a breakdown of what a student like what we pay a student individually for here or that would be based on what classes they take and have to figure out how much we pay each teacher. Isn't the breakdown there with each student's name? Yeah. I was just curious like which is like
088if we're I'm looking at this and this is how much these students cost like what's a typical senior going through our regular school what we pay on a breakdown it's I can just curious I think the last one was 11 7 1100 that's what we get paid that's what we get yeah but I'm just wondering what if that's like the actual and for that program like let's say they already have all their math credits they don't have to do the math portion but let's say they're missing two science or two social studies, then they have to go there and complete that portion. That's why it's varied. And then some kids can do it in a day. Some kids need two, three, four, five weeks. Is it online? No, it's in person. that and I think
089also part of your prey differences um the and I don't have it in front of me but there's also where we they go down to Rice Lake and then we also have the boot camps which are closer like in Shell Lake or actually they had one at the tribe too um and that so I think that might be part of your cost difference. I can't guarantee that but I do know that there's kids that have done both. I just curious. I don't think wait anybody um had made a motion to approve this. I'll make a motion to approve those. Motion by Katie, second by Kelly to approve the bills for cycle May 24th, 2025 to June 18th, 2025. Any further discussion? All those in favor? I uh we took care of board signature items already.
090Okay. And yep. Go ahead. I make a motion to adjurnn. Second. Motion by Kelly, seconded by Eric to adjourn. All those in favor? Sorry I was late. I did message Lisa. I don't think I got the memo that Lisa wasn't going to be here today. She may have said it and I missed it. Everyone. I don't remember anything. Did you just put in an email with me? I didn't know. I don't I just curious. Yeah, it's Yeah, I'll wrestling. And then I was curious about like the breakdown of like how much it costs the school for like the senior like if a senior graduated here, how much should we pay? Like how much does it cost like all four years or even a senior year versus what we pay in Northwood Tech to get like
091the same thing? That make sense? kind of. But it's gonna I don't know if it's gonna if it even matters though, Kevin, because it's probably going to be a different for everyone anyways. And then I think about some of these if they did three years here and it was just their last semester because I think that one it was basically her last semester and it was cost us $1,200. Would it have cost us $1,200 had she stayed here that rest of that semester? Probably because you have you have you know I don't know you I don't know. It'd be tough having because you'd almost have to take the percentage of our teachers time divide by the the students that they have and I don't know that it's even too much. But I in my head
092I'm just kind of like going like are we paying more to have these? I mean I get it. We need to do it. She told me she was with you last of these kids. Maybe it's I don't know. Oh yeah, right.