San Angelo ISD School Board Meeting - September 8, 2025

001Good evening and welcome. My name is Taylor Kingman as president of the board of trustees of the St. Angelo Independent School District. I would like to welcome all of you who are present at tonight's pre-aggenda board meeting. We appreciate your interest in the activities of our students and the business of SISD. All items that will be discussed or meeting this evening have been posted as required by state law. Also, as you may be aware, our board meets a minimum of two times per month. And most of the items on our agenda this evening will be discussed tonight and voted upon at our regular board meeting. As members of the SASD board of trustees, we are here to set goals, listen to reports from our superintendent, approve budgets, contracts, and personnel appointments, and to make policy

002for the district. Please keep in mind that our meeting is a meeting of the board of trustees held in public and not a mean of the public. However, we do have a public comment item on our agenda that allows anyone present who wishes to speak to our board team on an item that is not on our action agenda or an action item on the agenda an opportunity to do so. Please provide your name and contact information and the specific topic you wish to address on the public comment form located at the back of the room. Please listen carefully and comply with the following rules so we can move through this part of the meeting efficiently. Each speaker will be given a total of three minutes. The district will provide an official timekeeper. Please respect the

003privacy of others and refrain from identifying students, employees, or other community members by name. Disruption of the meeting will not be tolerated at any time. And comments on any subject, whether positive or negative, must be courteous and respectful. Comments are li limited to the specific topic you indicate on the form you filled out. and a speaker with a specific complaint about a district employee decision or operational issue should present that complaint through the appropriate mechanism which is the district district district's formal grievance process. Um also please understand if you offer public comment to the board that they can we cannot reply to you except to thank you for your comments if the matter has not been posted for discussion. I ask that you please refrain from talking while others are speaking. I also ask I

004remind my fellow board members to please turn off or silence your cell phones. Again, thank you for being here and for your support of SASD. With that, we do have a quorum this evening. Our entire board team is present. And so, if everyone will stand, we will do the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honorable flaggis. >> All right, with that we are going to move on to item three, which is our public comments. And we're going to start with Sarah Alexander. Topic is late view. We come to you today to address the lunch issues at Lake View High School and to discuss how it is a symptom of

005a much larger problem, inequality. The issues at Lake View, closing campus, long lines in the cafeteria, running out of food, kids going hungry, locked down bathrooms, golf carts patrolling the perimeter, overcrowding, and overall unacceptable conditions could have been prevented through better preparation. The district knew they were going to close campus well before the August 5th notification appearance. We have proof going back to July. Decisions to close campus were made during the floods. Children who woke to find their homes filled with water, their lives uprooted, displaced, and readjusting to another new normal, now had one more thing to destabilize their world. The north side was disproportionately affected by the floods. Yet, no one considered how closing campus would affect students who had survived a tragedy. There's been a lot of press about this, so I don't

006need to rehash every detail. Instead, I would like to ask for equality and offer solutions. I again ask that we end closed campus lunch at Lake View. Allow juniors and seniors to leave at lunch and bring back outside vendors or food trucks. They can park down the street off campus like at Central to reduce overcrowding. Closed campus has been delayed at Central because they do not have the proper infrastructure in place. But as the weeks go by, it's clear that Lake View doesn't either. Both schools should stay open until they have adequate facilities, then close together equally. Lastly, I would like to bring your attention to this, the map showing the high school attendance zones. This map shows inequality without ever having to put it into words. With this in mind, I would like to

007offer another solution. Redrawing the maps. With enrollment numbers declining year after year, we must ask ourselves if we have the numbers to maintain a 6A school alongside a 4A. We know that both schools have inadequate cafeterias that require renov renovation. So why not balance the scales now? We have an opportunity to bring equality by creating two 5A schools. Lake View's been a 5A before. So with the exception of the cafeteria, the infrastructures in place. If imple if implemented correctly, it would allow for an environment where no one feels less than or otherred. Both schools are afforded the exact same athletic and educational opportunities. Both schools have the proper infrastructure in place and everyone gets a chance to eat. Until that time, I ask that you stop treating Lake View as a non-issue and open campus

008backup. No portables, no makeshift cafeterias, no more lying to the community. Lake View has always been treated as less than, looked down upon for issues of race or socioeconomic status. But discussions were silenced. Through your continued inaction, you are saying the quiet part out loud and we will no longer be silenced. It is that bad and we do not feel good about the direction we are going. I would like to remind the board. >> I appreciate your time. [Applause] >> Next we have Miss Eliia Krasco. Topic is Lake View. Hello, my name is Aaliyah Carrasco and I hope at least some of y'all recognize me as I know some of y'all and I'm on the CT ambassadors. I'm a student advisory and advisory committee for the SISD. I'm a counseling or student advocate for our

009counseling at Lake View and I've met some of y'all to help me my journey with Taffy. So, I kind of understand where y'all have been. Thank you, Far Gomez. I know you've educated all of us on education in the field and how y'all do. And so being with that, I respect your decision. I respect open the closed campus, but I also respect the facilities to provide for that. Um I I work two jobs and I've been on free and reduced lunches for years now. And I'm dependent on those and I hope to eat as when I get off of school cuz I have my home pass. I go straight to work. If I'm not doing that, I'm taking my sisters home. I'm taking my cousin home and providing for them, helping them. And so with

010that, I'm so dependent on the cafeteria food to eat. And thankfully, sometimes I don't have to depend on that because my mother has helped me get the tools to pack a lunch. And so on the days that I don't, I get to eat my lunch. On the days that I don't pack my lunch, I have to eat cafeteria food. Um, every Thursday, orange chicken is provided. I love orange chicken. Um, and last year, I don't know if you've seen our food plates, but last year I got two scoops of chicken and one scoop of rice. Due to overcrowding and not enough food, this year I get two scoops of rice and one scoop of protein. I don't feel like that's fair because um, one again once again, I love it, but I just don't think

011it's enough food for these children. Now, I love vegetables, so I get that, but not everyone likes everything and they don't get enough of that. And so I just think that's I don't think that's right. There's no justification to have not enough food for these children. And being the senior I am, I've been here for 4 years. I advocate for everything I can with within my school. And whether it not be rebelling, whether it be just talking out or whether it be just being there, I try. And so I think that even with our um overcrowding in our c or in our cafeteria, overcrowding in our hallways due to um only having the bathroom the last 10 minutes of class and passing periods. I'm not every student is able to get into class in time.

012I have a couple friends that never get to class in time in a few classes because there's overcrowding and once the bell rings you can't use the restroom and if you need to use the restroom you have to go to the office but you only have two passes a day. And I understand that cuz I understand tardies. I understand absences and I have talked to teachers where I do understand this has lowered absences and tardies. But it's just not okay to like to not feed these kids. And I just think it's very very important that we have the facilities to uphold that as same with central. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> Next we have Mr. Virgil Petti. uh topic is leadership, communication and finance. Hello, my name is Virgil Petti, concerned father. Uh

013I'm sure you've heard a thousand times, you know, actions are louder than words. And you know, after our last board meeting, seeing students, parents, advocates come up fighting for these kids, what were the two actions? Our superintendent came up, told the news it's a non-issue because to him, it is. He's got bigger fish to fry. He's got things to do. He doesn't need to worry about this. It's a non-issue. And what did uh our two board members do? our president, our secretary went back and August 25th gave him a raise. So now his salary is $283,000 plus I don't know 25 27,000 of TRS funding plus another 24,000 for his 403b and if he's entitled to insurance if he chooses to use our insurance another $5,600. So that brings us up to total cost of

014compensation to $338,000. So that's what he thinks of your issues. Y'all are out here fighting for your kids, fighting for nutrition, fighting for room, and you say, "You know what? Let's go give this guy a raise." And then he can go tell him it's a non-issue. That is horrible, guys. You would think for $338,000 a year that this would be a non-issue because it would have been dealt with appropriately. And when it comes to communication, what do we see? We went from a 71 to a 73. That much that much closer to a B. But how did we do that? Well, we closed down Austin, which was an F. And we closed down Altoma, which was our lowest school in the district. So that's how we got ahead. And then we proclaimed that Glenn Moore

015went to an A. Well, how did we achieve that? Well, we took all the low testing Hispanic kids that were in ESL and we sent them to Bradford because it's already an F and now Glenn Moore is an A and you went from a 71 to a 73 by doing that. Well, thank you for communicating to us that we're that much closer to a B. But no, thank you for taking those kids out of Glennmore and sending them to a school that's already an F. Why didn't you leave them at Glennmore? you just want to concentrate all the Hispanic kids at at Bradford because it's already an F so they can't make it any worse. And then these parents come up and say, "You're doing the same thing at Lake View. Actions are louder than

016words. We see your actions and your words are all just I don't want to say untruthful, but it's what you want us to hear. You want us to hear that you're doing great. We're almost a bee. Your actions say different. You should be ashamed. [Applause] Next, we have Miss Geneva Rodriguez regarding Lake View and Lincoln. Good afternoon. Thank you so much for this time. Um, my name is Geneva Rodriguez. I have a son at Lincoln Middle School right now, his last year. And then I have a son at Glenmore. Um, so I am calling I'm calling, not calling, I'm coming um to speak because I think um as I've said whenever I ran for the school board, people's perception is their reality. And I think we need to keep it that in mind. um whether

017whatever is going on is the truth um their perception is that there is disparage between North Side and um the rest of the community and it's really hard when the facts speak. You can't go against what the facts speak and when students are coming up and saying I didn't have enough to eat. I have a 6-foot very large eighth grader who was very excited about getting macaroni the other day and was in line and was offered a piece of toast with cheese because he ran out of macaroni and that is supposed to carry him for the rest of the day up until 5:30 in the evening because he's in student council and he's in a meeting until late. Now, luckily, we are blessed and we are able to provide him with snacks that he can

018take to school and we provide him with a breakfast before he leaves, but not every parent can do that and especially not on the north side. And so, I am not one that wants to come up here and um spread division. I think there needs to be unity. We are all one school district, but we need to do something. And there needs to be action and we need to let our action speak, not just our words. And so I would love to see, you know, I think two of the easy I say easy because I'm not in your place, but two of the easy uh fixes would be to open the campus. Now, I understand the reason for the closed campus is security, and I wholeheartedly stand behind that 100%. However, we can't have students

019sitting in the hallway. We can't have them sitting outside in the hot sun. We can't have them congregating in the library because we don't have enough place for them to eat. So, why not bring the food trucks back? Let the food trucks come back in. You can put them in the back of the school where it's locked so people can't get in and out, only the food trucks. Um, and then that allows the people that are able to afford for the food trucks to go to a food truck, which allows more people to go through the regular line. So, if you're dependent on a regular lunch because you're on free and reduced, that provides more food for them. Now, that might not be possible. Maybe you can't put them in the back, but they were

020there before, so why can't we have them anymore? I just want answers. Why can't we? Um, and I understand that there might be a food shortage. There might be some other some other reason why we can't, but we need answers and wholehearted answers that show that we care about everybody. Thank you, Mr. Ardrias. Next, we're going to move forward with our board updates and reports. Our first report is an update on Lake View Closed Campus. >> All right. Well, this has been a hot topic and a lot of input has been given. U I've got a few comments to make just in regards to the uh the closure at Lake View for lunch. And just to highlight a few things, uh you've heard these before, but some of them may be new. Maybe to clear

021up some misconception for the board really. Um you all know that school nutrition laws guide what we can and can't do on campus. So there can't be competitive foods sold or consumed in the same area where reimburseable meals are sold and consumed. And so the important thing for the board to know is that the reason food trucks cannot be on campus is because if students purchase those and eat in the same areas that our students who receive cafeteria foods eat, we are in violation of school nutrition laws and we can be penalized by losing funding for that. That was one of the drivers to remove the food trucks. And u uh you know I think it's important that we are compliant number one. Number two to recognize that our our school nutrition program offers a

022free breakfast and a free lunch to every student at Lake View High School. And I haven't done the math, but um I'm hoping this will be a a good thing financially for our kids and our families. Um, I know that it's important for kids to eat a good meal every day. And as I listen to the conversations about uh serving and portion sizes, that's something I think that I can follow up with with our school nutrition program. I feel pretty good about the fact that they're doing their very best. They are good people. They want to do a good job for the kids on that campus and the staff. And so, uh, but some of that we can follow up and just make sure that kids aren't being shortch changed because as a parent, I

023wouldn't want my my children shortch changed with lunch either. So, that's something that I'll be glad to do. Um, one of the things that that I've done is I've reached out and I've asked for input and feedback from the campus. There are a few things that they've given me uh as feedback. there's been an improvement in overall attendance in tardies, especially for those returning from lunch. Um because if you can imagine in the past tardies coming back from lunch to campus for class were significant. That has virtually gone away. Uh so our classes right after lunch um the feedback I'm getting are it's it's been a really good thing academically. kids are in class on time and ready to go. Uh the there's four options for lunch. Two free meal lunch lines, a hot meal

024all a cart, and a grab and go. Um there's still a commitment from the campus and you know, kudos to Mr. Ramirez and his staff. But uh we've got some deli style tables that are coming to to help in the areas where maybe kids are sitting in the hall, which I've been told that's a a choice that that they've made. Um but to be sure that they've got an option and an opportunity, we don't we don't want them to feel like they have to. The library is um has been and continues to be a place where students can go for a little more uh quiet and removed eating area outside of the cafeteria. So, some of those uh improvements are coming. Um I know that we had I believe five board members visit the lunch

025uh at Lake View last week in separate groups, so there wasn't a quorum. Um, I I want I want to say to the board that I'm listening. I think it's important. I do think it it is incumbent upon me to provide a safe and secure campus and we're trying to do that on all of our campuses. In fact, today we met uh at another campus to discuss their SCU their safety uh on campus and I visited recently with tea safe and secure schools, not related to the Lake View lunch issue, but just an overall conversation of making sure that all of our campuses enjoy a safe and uh caring environment. Um, so with that being said, really my charge is to provide that safer environment, better attendance, which we we struggle with at the high

026schools, attendance, punctuality, making sure that we're capturing that academic day and not missing out on instructional minutes. It's my charge to make sure we do that and I'm I'm taking that charge seriously. Um, and to make sure that our kids are fed well and provided for. And so we'll just continue down that path. I've got no intentions of changing course uh because I believe that we're providing those things and we're going to get better and better at those things for all of our campuses, Lake View included. But uh academically, I said it last meeting, we've got a lot of work to do. And next week uh on Thursday the 18th, the board will hear an update on our academic progress. It's no secret that we've got schools that are struggling and um so the the

027urgency is there to get some things done and make some changes that are significant. If we're going to move the district forward academically, we have to do some hard things. This is one of those hard things. And u so really that's those are my comments that I've that I wanted to be sure you heard as a board, but also to invite feedback. I mean, you went to the lunches. Uh, and I haven't talked to you all since you've done that, but I'd be interested in knowing what your feedback is on that >> board comments or questions for Dr. Moran or the admin team? >> I'll start with a question. So, the portion sizes who like obviously there's some sort of guidelines by I guess the USDA or or someone like how is that how is

028that kind of speak more on that part? There's support. Wish I could tell you more about how to determine portion sizes. I don't have the answers for that. Uh but I can get answers to that. >> Yeah. And I can send those to you. >> Um I actually asked Dr. Ramirez about that when I was at the um lunch last Thursday at Lake View and um he said that the portion sizes are decided by or are determined by the government by um the and the USDA. So um I'm curious about um when Leah said that they were smaller this year than they were last year because um I don't I don't know that they've changed. I don't think that they have. So um I think that's a really good thing to follow up on. Um,

029but I specifically asked that because I've heard your complaints online. >> Yeah, because I was just asked because of the we went me and Miss Cardinos went uh I guess was not this last Tuesday but Thursday before and um I think the only concerning thing I had was it was the portions were relatively small, especially if you are going to be doing an athletic event or something. And I mean it was a I ate but I had to get a piece of pizza also cuz it was not a lot of food. So that was the only thing I saw. Uh to the parents I I we were I won't speak I won't speak for her but we were at the end of the line. We got there we were the last two people that were

030lined up. Now there were a few kids that came in later and uh I think when we sat down there was a good 25 to 30 minutes left of lunch. So there was plenty of time. There was There was I >> again this is a meeting of the public I mean of the board in public. Um so no interruptions please. We're going to we're going to try and talk to each other about the meeting and we'll go from there. >> I was going to I was going to mention before but he started interrupting. I Mr. Ramirez mentioned that the JB team was not there. So there was about 50 to 100 kids that were not there at lunch. So I think there were probably 300 kids in front of us. 300 350 kids in front

031of us. Um, and I feel like the line moved pretty quick and you could have added another 50 to 100 students and had at least they would had at least 15 to 20 minutes each, which most of the students that I witnessed personally. Um, I feel like almost nobody when we when lunch was over, I don't think a single student hadn't eaten. Um, I can't confirm that. Didn't talk to every student. the students we talked to um majority kind of said the same thing they are saying honestly they weren't real happy about being on a closed campus um I'm not sure how much that is emotional and the fact that they were stuck at lunch or or stuck on campus or that they uh weren't actually getting enough food there were plenty of seats all

032I can speak to is the facts there were plenty of seats when I was there and I'm not sure of the other board members opinions but there were plenty of seats available ailable. Um it appeared and some of the students did confirm this that a lot of the students like to they don't like to eat at the tables. They want to eat in the halls. They want to eat the library. They choose where they want to eat. There was not a lack of tables and uh um I thought the line moved quick. I thought there were plenty of options. The portions were I mean they were suboptimal to me. I don't like I said I don't know who regulates that part of it. I'm not sure if it's if it's just a serving issue or

033if that's what is in the guidelines cuz I know there are very strict nutrition guidelines that we have to follow. Um but I thought Mr. Ramirez uh I the kids seemed to be very receptive to some of the things but obviously they weren't real happy about being on campus and I think maybe 16-year-old me would have not been happy about it also. I I I don't know. I think the safety is very important and I am happy that we can improve in that way. But uh and I think to some of the comments like like Miss Krosco made there are ways to improve the facilities and still continue the path that we're going on. I think there are ways that we can continue to improve the space. I know I talked to the nutrition team

034about maybe looking at some new equipment, some other food options that might make it more appealing to be on campus at lunch. Um, and we can talk about that more whenever, you know, as it comes up. But, um, that was my kind of impression when I was there. I'm I'm curious to see if, you know, what the other people's opinions were. >> So, excuse me. Like Dr. Mill said, we we did go together. Now, I guess I missed the message, but not only was JV out, uh, you had freshman team out and volleyball, and I'm not sure if there was other squads out, too. So, just a you're looking at over a hundred students, right, that we're not there. So, I couldn't see exactly how the flow went. So, I'd like to go back when

035there's a full campus and see how that works. Um, but while I was there, yes, there was, you know, tables available, but I didn't know that there was that many students, you know, missing. So, that's that's a big deal. Um, let me see. We're talking about ordering deli style tables, right? What about inclement weather? How are we going to cover those table tables up for the students to be safe? And of course, safety is number one. I don't think anybody in the audience would disagree with that. But the fact of the matter is that we're you're choosing to close campus when the high school on the other side of town is not. That's not okay. And I'm sorry I have I have more but I'm I'm not speaking for the applause at all. I'm just

036speaking on uh my experience. I'm born and raised here. So this Dr. Moran has been going on. Another thing is communication. Why was this? And I need you to have an open mind please. Why was this related to the parents right before school started? I've heard several comments. You knew this was coming. you knew this was coming, but I didn't know when it was coming. I don't think they knew it was coming. To relay a um a drastic change like this for families a couple of weeks before school starts is not fair and it's not right either. Um I I agree with allowing the campus to be we're all about fairness and equality, right? Central's not closed. Lake View should not be closed either. That's just that's just that's what it comes down to. Um,

037like I said, I would like to revisit the campus when all the students are there so that I can see how the lunch line flows. Um, as far as portions, that's that's the district's uh responsibility to know what portion sizes are for growing young men and women. I could tell you right now for especially for athletes or everyday individuals, women, you're looking at 3 to 5 ounces of protein off the bat. Now, and men four, seven, eight, depending on their size, especially if they're in athletics, they need more. You have to it it's not the parents responsibility to to send snacks. It's our responsibility to adequately feed these students and give them the nutritional needs that they need. We need to know what portion sizes are adequate for girls and boys, young women and young

038men, especially athletes. We we need to know that. We can't have a I'm not sure answer. Um this is this is a big deal. These parents are here for a reason. We have to listen to them. We have to have an open mind. They're not It's hard to attend a meeting at 5:30 p.m. as a working parent, but they're here because they're passionate about what's happening. And u we can't just sit back and and rely on hear these messages. We have to listen to the families out here what they're saying. And we should be doing our due diligence and visiting the campus. So, I'm not sure what what um members of the board have not visited, but like I mentioned, we all need to go and and see for ourselves. I can keep going and

039going, but number one, it has to be equal. I think it should be equal across the board. Dr. Man, this has been going on. I'm I'm 30 plus years old and it's always been the same thing. Lake View gets the short end of things over Central. Why? I'm not sure. Um I can only assume, but you know what? I'm assuming gets you. So, we um another thing that the restroom breaks. I I talked to um to you, sir, about the restroom breaks. And when did that change happen? Were the parents notified ahead of time also about the change in the restroom break? My son, I picked him up the other day and he was about to to pee his pants. Pops, what's wrong? My teacher wouldn't let me go to the restroom. Why? We just

040couldn't go. She would she didn't allow us. That's not okay. That's when I sent you that message um about the restroom policy. Communication goes a long way and half of the issues that the parents might be here for today. Um they probably would be a little bit more understanding if the communication was relayed a lot better in a timely manner with respect, courtesy, and these are our taxpayers. We are taxpayers. We are parents and we should be listening to what they say. [Applause] >> Other board comments or questions before >> Sorry about that. I I can't speak on the bathroom, Carla, because I don't know what the procedure is right now, but I do know because I worked at Lake View and many schools, there has or there needs to be some type of perimeter

041on restroom breaks because kids will go to the restroom and it's a constant going. So, I'm sure that maybe, and like I said, I can't speak from this, that they did gave give them two a day. But I also would have to believe with all my heart if a student went to a teacher and said, "I've used my passes, but I really need to go." That they would let them go. If if the >> Well, >> again, we're gonna try and have a meeting up here with the board. >> But there are ways around that. You can go to the front office and say, "The restroom is locked. Matt, please go." Um, so some things that that I'm hearing and just like many things, there's more to the story. So, and that is our job

042to find more to the story. But I'm going to have I I have to have belief in the administrators, the teachers, the people that are there. They're not they're there because they love kids and they're going to do what's best for kids. And I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Sometimes a teacher, you know, doesn't hear, but we h I would hope that we would give grace and we would find the reason behind a story. So if if a child goes home and says, "My teacher wouldn't let me go to the restroom today, I as a parent in a very gracious way, if you want to go find out the why." Because um I'll just give you an example. Um, a student comes to class 15 minutes late. Well, 15 minutes late is a long time.

043Where had they been? As a teacher, you're assuming the bathroom somewhere. They sit down and they say, "I need to go to the bathroom." You know, as an educator, you're like, and it's a disruption. So, there's a lot to all of these stories. So, um, I'm listening, but I'm also saying, "Let's let's give some grace. Let's communicate." Teachers are very open, and Mr. Ramirez is very open to hear your side, but like I said, and and sometimes what you're hearing, I was a parent, um, may not be the whole story. So, and it is our job to find the whole story, but like I said, in a very I just keep using the word grace because sometimes I don't think we give each other that. I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong. I may

044be wrong, but give me the opportunity to and the teacher, the people that are working there, the cafeteria people, give them the opportunity to tell their story, too. and then we all work together. >> Dr. Te and I went on a Wednesday of last week uh when nobody was out. I think the last person in line got their food with about 20 minutes left somewhere in there. So, and for the and I and I say for the open campus for the juniors and seniors, it's it's terrible. I agree. I agree. It's a bad deal. But during the last few years, the graduation rate as well as the attendance rate uh has fallen off at Lake View. So, uh a big problem is tardiness after lunch. And the other problem, and I'm not saying the good

045kids are not coming back to school. I'm just saying that there's a huge problem with tardiness after lunch during the past few years. In addition to that, kids just not coming back from lunch, period. So, that's that's a concern for us because it drives uh the academics at the school down if if kids aren't in class and doing their work. Um, and again, it's a it's a uh it's a terrible situation for the juniors and seniors because it's pushed upon them at the last moment. And that's all and that's all the good kids. So, u that's that's bad. But the the the issue is that Lake View needs academic improvement period. And so one way we can do that is getting kids in class and they're in and being in their seats, especially in a

046class after lunch. So again, as we move forward, um it's it's a tough decision right now. We're making every effort. I'm not for sure about portion size either. Uh I wish that everybody every kid could get whatever he wanted when they came through the line. Um, I didn't pay particular attention to the portion size, but it looks like most of the place were full uh when I came there on Wednesday. And that was basically uh during uh uh the the A lunch. The B lunch was a lot quicker. The B lunch finished up with about 25 minutes left for kids to eat. So, I know this is a this was a hardship on some on some of these kids, but the the the bottom line is that we have got to improve the academic improvement

047and the attendance rate at Lake View for kids to be successful when they get out of high school. >> So, is there a big um discrepancy with attendance rates from Lake View to Central as well as the academic uh deficiencies? Is there a big difference? So I I'm going to say I think we should stop making this about Lake View and Central. >> Those are the only two high schools. Dr. Kingman, >> we should make this We should make this if we should make this about the district as a whole. And the reality is our secondary campuses. >> If y'all can we please let us have a meeting? >> Can we please have a meeting? If you can't be part of the meeting, I would ask that you please leave so that we can have

048our meeting. >> Then we can ask you to leave if you please don't want to be here to listen to the meeting. >> We're all elected officials and we we're all elected officials. >> Dr. Kingman, um the one thing I keep hearing and like I' I've been doing this I've been here for 20 years, okay? And um this whole lake view versus central thing. Okay. This is was always just >> Yeah. And you're going to hear it too. Okay. The last 20 years I've been doing this. Who's got the newest high school? >> Lake View. Lake View's got the newest high school. >> Lake View's got the newest high. Who's got the newest middle school? Lincoln. >> And how old? >> Okay. Glenn wasn't even touched in the last month. What I'm saying is that

049this district has not ignored your needs. That's what I'm saying. Okay? So, don't come in here and telling me that, well, y'all have ignored everything we wanted. We're you're not being treated like a redheaded stepchild. >> You're not. Because you know what? We're trying to get this stuff done for your kids. And that's that's that's why I haven't said nothing. I You know what? I want these kids. Y'all don't understand because you're parents. Everyone wants the best for their kids. But you know what? When your kid comes home saying, "I want I want to go to lunch." You know, I understand that. I mean, I like Dr. Like Dr. uh Kyle said, you know, at 16 years old, I probably would have done the same thing. But you know what my dad would have said?

050No, you're going to lunch at school whether you like it or not. Period. That's it. Because you know what? I'm going to tell you what what what I don't understand is that the way I see it the way I see it I mean how many of y'all provide money for your >> make sure you're talking to us as well >> we can't because they're all good on free lunches and we didn't ask you >> okay but here's the thing but no but here here's my question here's my question how many are >> let me ask address us with the question how many are on free and reduced lunch >> okay now why Why? Why wouldn't you want to save money and eat a free lunch? Why wouldn't you want to save money in a And

051that's what I don't understand. So, this has always been this has been this whole thing has been perplexing to me. I'm sitting there going, why not save why not save money? Why are you on free lunch? >> And does this affect our free lunch? So, so like I just wanted to say, like I just wanted to say, you know, Lake View and Central or Central and Lake View, this whole thing, this this disparity thing, let it go cuz I've been hearing it I've been I've been hearing it for 20 years. I've been hearing it for 20 years. And you're right. You're right. Now, 30 years ago, yeah, probably. 30 years ago, probably. >> We have to choose our words appropriately, guys. We can't communicate like this with the >> You know what? That's how that's

052how I'm communicating. >> So, and and just to let you know, I'm I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to I'm going to tell you something, Carla. The last 20 years that I've been here, I have never voted no on anything for Lake View ever. I have suggested changes for Lake View that were done. Things that they were ignored before I got on the board, we got done. Okay? So, I don't want to hear this. Well, you know, we do a lot for Lake View. We do. We have done a lot for Lake View the last 20 years that I've been here. >> So, >> and that that's why it's offensive to me to hear someone sit there and go, "For the last 20 years, I've been saying yes, voting yes, voting yes, voting

053yes, and then they come in and say, "Y'all don't do anything for us. >> We do a lot for you, but you don't pay attention." That's what it is. >> The The reality is, >> that's all I had to say on that. The reality is both of our secondary as a board as I'm talking to our board both both of our secondary campuses academically are F. >> Yes, >> they are both academically is F. >> And the reality is the way the state monitors our academics as a district is that we are in five-year windows to looking at how to improve. And the reality is as a district there there's no secret going from 71 to 73 as a district that's not good enough for St. Angelo. That's not the expectation of St. Angelo. That's

054not expectation of this board. It's not the expectation of this administrative team. Is why we went and hired a superintendent from a district that is an A district with similar demographics to our district who has been here before in a position to run an A district. And so when we look at the academics of our schools, they're not good enough anywhere. They're not. And so in order to make the academics where they need to be, not only for for our students, for the future of St. Angelo, for the state of Texas, we're going to have to make some really hard changes that are going to affect that are going to upset people all over this town. And the reality is that is what is necessary because the complacency and doing the same thing is not

055getting the job done. And so um what I pray is that we have the wisdom to make the hard decisions. We look at when the hard decisions happen. We we continue to evaluate. That doesn't necessarily mean we're going to get every decision right every time. We probably won't. Okay? But what it means is that as a district, we have to get better. And we're going it's going to be heavy lifting on our teachers. And we're going to have to support our teachers. It's going to be heavy lifting on our cafeteria workers. It's going to be heavy lifting on our parents. It's going to heavy lifting on our administrative team. It it's going to take changes. And people are going to be upset at times about some of the changes. You're going to like some, you're

056going to dislike some of the others. My wife's going to like them and dislike some of them. And I'm going to have to go home and she's going to tell me that she dislikes them. And the reality is and that and but the reality is we have to get better. We don't have a choice. And what we need to do as a board is work together to try and come up with the plans that are pal palat >> palatable. Yeah. To the community. Because while as a board you may not agree with everything the the eight of us sitting right here do, if it's the state of Texas mandating it, you're really not going to like it. Okay? Cuz you're going to lose you're going to lose the fact that you have the ability to

057work with the people who are on the board. You have you're going to lose that ability. And so what I will tell you is we're making drastic changes and we need to make those drastic changes. And so to why are we doing to me why are we doing it at Lake View right now as opposed when we can't do it at central yet because we don't have the time to not we need to be I wish we could do it at central right now. >> So and I just want to say I want to thank the fact that everyone is working hard to try and come up with a plan and I do think we have to explain we have to be honest with our public. We have to say, hey, we're not good enough,

058okay? We're not good enough academically. We have to make changes to be better academically. And so, we can't just and we need to be better at providing CTE. We need to be better at a lot of things. And we're working that way, but that is going to take time. And it's also going to take things that are not as palatable. So, we're going to do our best to do that and get us where we need to go. And I will tell you that if if St. Angelo ISD does not get where it needs to go, it won't be for the lack of effort from these eight people and from our administrative team and from our teachers because they are good people. Okay? They're good people trying to do the right thing for the people of

059St. Angelo. And so that will any other board comments or questions? >> Not a thing of good people or bad people. We're I think every I think the world of all y'all we're a team here. But the thing is we have to meet in the middle somewhere with our public. Our public is crying out for help and we can't shut them off. We have to meet in the middle somewhere. Dr. Moran, we do. That's just the honest truth. Not only CTE courses either. We need to be looking at advanced placement courses. Also, there's a big discrepancy from Central and Lake View, too. Why are we not trying to build our Lake View students into into doctors and things like that instead of just no disrespect against welders? You can make a lot of money. That's

060great. Welding, roofing, things like that, but let's let's instead of just worrying about closing campus, fixing our academic problem, we have a lot more to worry about. And until we can get both campuses on the same page as far as closing lunch, I think it was the wrong move, especially a couple of weeks before school started. And just admitting that and humbling down and saying, "Listen, you know, maybe we didn't um advise everybody within time. That's my fault. That's my mistake." That goes a long way, too. Owning up to things like that. I've learned that in my life. You have to humble yourself every single day. And that goes a long way. We can't just keep shutting the public off. We have to say, "Hey, we're going to meet y'all in the middle somewhere along

061the way." That's what I think. But I'm only one of eight guys. >> Other board other board comments or questions? >> Um I I just want to you talked about academics and since we I had this moment I just >> that's the whole reason why we're closing campus is academics. But I I just want to say Lake View started the school year with um not enough math teachers. And um two of the math teachers that I know had retired and during um some time with them, I um we talked about them going back and teaching part-time. And that's what we're doing right now with teachers. We're finding retired teachers that are crafted in their skill and asking them to come back part-time, not because they need to, they're retired, but because they love kids and

062they want to teach. Um, so two of these teachers have gone back to Lake View and they're teaching part-time. Another one had left Central to stay home and is at Lake View teaching. And these teachers are phenomenal. And when I spoke to them, it wasn't, you know, one was at Central, one had been at Glenn and had gone and moved back. And my conversation was Lake View is a great place and Lake View has great kids. I loved my three years at Lake View and um and and they came back. I was talking to Zach before um the meeting about how how excited I am that those teachers are at Lake View. Lake View is a good place. When I go out and try to get teachers, I'm looking for teachers to come and teach

063kids. I'm not looking for them to teach at this school and this school's better because a child is a child. So, I do think at Lake View we're we're pulling everything we have to make it a great place academically. >> Well, I I think that goes back to the main point that the I don't I can't speak for the administration team, but I don't think the decision to close the campus was made in efforts to be fair. We were they were closing the campus to improve the academics on at Lake View. We're trying to do the best we can at Lake View. I mean, I think some one of the smartest people I know graduated from Lake View. I think there could be a lot of extremely awesome things done at Lake View. Very intelligent

064people could be I mean there the academics be much better at Lake View. I think we all know that. So why aren't we why wouldn't we do everything possible we can today to do it? And I I wanted to go personally into lunch to make sure that it was that it was functioning as intended. You get a lot of misinformation from this person, this person. I wanted to make sure the lunch was kids were being fed, kids were being fed timely, and they had places to set just, you know, the basic stuff. And I felt like functionally it was working well. Now, are the things that could be tweaked and improved? Absolutely. I don't think we're content to stop where we're at currently. I think I talked with the nutrition team and Zach and there's

065a lot of things that they're still planning to do to improve the functional capacity, but if we're trying to improve the academics at Lake View, why wouldn't we do it now? And if the answer is because another school isn't doing it, to me, that is not a very good answer. That's that's just not you want to do what's best for Lake View. And I think that's the intention or my understanding. Any other board comments or questions? >> If I could just add um to the academic piece. Um I've spoken to a couple of teachers at Lake View. Um just asking how are things going with, you know, the closed lunch and um several teachers have talked about how um between the uh no cell phones um with because of no cell phones, kids are talking

066at lunch, which I got to see when I was there. They're talking at lunch. They're bonding at lunch and then like we were saying earlier, they're coming back to class on time after lunch. One of the teachers I talked to said that she gets 10 to 15 minutes back a day because she was losing so much time from kids coming back late from lunch every day. And she said, "I feel like I have an entire extra day in my fifth period class um which is the class after lunch." Um and then um so because of that bonding after lunch, they're noticing it in the classrooms or they're bonding during lunch. So they're noticing in the classrooms that they're coming back and they're all joking about things that they, you know, talked about at lunch and

067they're instead of, you know, all being on their phones the whole time. So I'm going to say again that as a parent of a child at Central, I wish that my child had the opportunity to have that academic success, that greater opport academic success that they success that they're seeing at Central right now. And I'm looking forward to seeing the growth there. >> Any other Board comments. >> So, new board member here. The parents that spoke today, uh, will you all be responding to them? Is there email or who will how can they get answers to to their questions from today, especially since it was >> So, yeah. So, any specific comment obviously, you know, they just so parents are aware, you know, you start with your campus leadership, set a meeting up with the

068campus leadership. I think Mr. Marys has met with a lot of parents at least when he and I have talked that that was the impression I received then he that can move it can move all the way through a formal grievance process. I mean to where if you have a problem with the district policy like that's where it can go but you start with a meeting with there and it then you can set up a meeting above Mr. RmIrez if you don't like what Mr. RmIrez is saying it would probably go to is it Mr. Colinach would be and so but Mr. Mr. Mayor can then help guide you to the next place and then it eventually can get to a if desired a formal grievance where it would go from the whole board. Okay.

069[Applause] All right. Dr. Randy, you got anything else on that? >> Nothing else. >> Perfect. All right. We're going to move forward with a summary of findings of TEA intruder detection and audit conducted by ESC staff and Mrs. Per is going to help us with that. Dr. Moran, Dr. Keeman, and members of the board, thank you for your time. Um, we have had two intruder detection audits in the month of August and the first week of September. Any findings and corrective actions needed, if any, have been addressed by our campus administration. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Bera, and looking forward to having you here more often. >> Thank you. I'm glad to be here. >> All right. Next, we have a construction update and Mr. Danheim, and I see R.J. Lopez right there. So, maybe

070Mr. Lopez is going to help us with that. >> Yes, it'll be me tonight, Dr. Kingman, Dr. Moran, and members of the school board. Uh, it's great to be back out here. Um, we've got uh a lot going on with the school bond and so we're going to run through some of what we've uh been up to over the last month. I can't believe it's been a month because we've been so busy. Um, like to keep showing this uh bond projects timeline just because we've got a lot of projects uh across the the district and want to make sure that we're we're keeping the uh the deadlines and the goals. uh up uh in front of everybody's uh top of mind and making sure that we're we're headed in the right spot. And I can

071tell you right now we're we're right on schedule. We've got uh projects that are supposed to be under construction like Crockett is is under construction and um all the projects that are under design um are are currently on track. And so we'll walk through what we've been up to and then uh what to look forward to over the coming months. This is uh the the detailed breakdown. I don't want to I won't spend too much time on it, but just to give you an idea of of some of the projects. You can see the orange there shows uh some of the design phase. So you can see on on Crockett, we were designing uh in April and and May and then went into bidding in uh June and July. Um and now we're under construction

072um in September with that blue bar there. And each project obviously the larger the project, the longer the design phase takes. and we'll be discussing what the design phase looks like uh over the next few months because we'll be going through that process. I know y'all done that on on Fannon and McGill and we're going through that again on on some of the phase 2 projects. So, quickly on uh Crockett Elementary, it is now under construction. We've received a uh a permit for the civil and earth work. So, they've got construction fencing um that's been put up. They've got a construction trailer that should be uh arriving uh towards the end of this week or next. Um and so that that project is on track to open August 2026 with uh the contractor is Lee

073Lewis Construction. Next project uh that we're working on is um Miguel Elementary and you can see that one is um under the construction documents phase. So we've kind of got through some of the 3D massing and um schematic design of where the building would be located. We're working through some of utilities and site plan um layout options and starting to put together the details for the contractor. So that one is getting closer and closer to being uh put out uh for bidding. Some of the upcoming u meetings will be just finalizing some of the design development. So that's you know verifying some of the final finishes such as carpet and tile and a lot of what we'll be using is what was already used in phase one. So, that should go pretty quickly and and

074it's what's kind of becoming some of the uh district standards that we talked about, materials that are easily replaceable that'll last last a good amount of time. On the new Glenn Middle School, we actually um have our site surveys underway um so that we can tackle some of that uh that grading out there. That'll be pretty fun to to do since the existing school was built on a hill and we're looking at putting now the uh the the new field on a hill. Um but uh we've also been advertising and this all most of these items will be for Glenn Central and Lake View since they're all larger projects that that you all uh uh agreed that need a construction manager at risk on to where we're bringing the contractor on on board earlier. Um

075we're we've actually advertised for construction manager um over the past two weekends. Uh it'll be advertising again this Sunday. Uh we had our pre-bid today which was virtual and we had uh 30 people join the pre-bid which was which was a really good turnout. There's really not a whole lot of construction managers that specialize in school construction that have the experience uh to perform this work at the quality that we're asking for. So, I mean, to get 30 to to show up, and obviously that's not 30 individual construction managers, it was probably uh 10 individual construction managers that that showed up that are interested in in their team. But it's it was a really good turnout. And so, what we did is kind of run through the scope of the project and let them ask

076questions and they'll be uh submitting for that uh next week. And so we'll be able to um evaluate those and hopefully by the the next board meeting u you'll have some recommendations on on options for construction managers for Glenn Central and Lake View. Um one thing that we also >> real quick is there any chance we would use the same construction manager at risk for all three projects in order to get a better C rate? >> Great question. So, uh, the way the request for propo proposals reads is that each construction manager can propose for Glenn, Central, and Lake View, and then they can also propose any cost savings or additional uh comments that they might have if they were to get one, two, or all three projects. So, we allowed them to bid on

077all three projects separately as part of their proposal and then provide any additional information as to schedule impact or cost impact if they were to get one, two, or three because there are some uh construction managers that probably couldn't handle more than maybe just Lake View even just based on their size and experience. And then there are some that could handle all three, but they might provide a list of current projects that shows that we might not want them working on all three projects because of their current workload. So all of those factors will come into play when y'all uh when the recommendation uh comes to the board and as part of the selection criteria. All right. Um, one other thing that we were doing with the the same committee, um, which was Glenn, Lake

078View, and Central, we did do, uh, tours in, uh, Lebec, uh, Seminal and Brownfield of facilities that were built in the past five to 15 years um, that had similar u space types to what y'all are looking at building. So we we took the uh internal design team, the uh administrators and the the school staff and our design team from the Park Hill side and kind of had them discussing u materials and space volumes and just different opportunities for say light that maybe you didn't have at Glenn because they didn't have any windows because of you know the the parameters that they had. So the opportunities just for every classroom to potentially have a window or or an adequate size hallway or um you know floor materials that are are more optimal than what was

079done 70 years ago. So there's there was a lot of uh really great conversations that were had about what what could be best for the the school district um over the course of the not just the next year or two years but the next uh 30 to 70 years. So, it was very exciting to see. And some of those uh facilities were uh Lev Cooper Middle School, uh Lev Cooper Pirate High School, Lev Cooper Liberty High School, Simol High School, and and Brownfield High School. And we actually took all the teams from all the projects so that when we were talking about a a floor material or maybe an air conditioning system, we could kind of be having some of these same conversations because a lot of those things apply to all the facilities and

080a lot of the, you know, Tony's guys are going to be working on all those facilities. So, we wanted to make sure all of these conversations were being had together so that everybody that had um you know some type of of interest in how the facility is either being used as a a teaching tool or m maintaining the facility could be involved in those discussions. So, um upcoming we talked about um receiving the the construction manager proposals and then coming back with the uh the recommendations and then we're also going to start um starting tomorrow. Actually, we've got uh multiple meetings for uh Lake View to start uh playing with the the pieces of where the auto shop and the welding shop and the health science lab kind of where those might be able to

081u attach to the existing building and and how mariachi would relate to the existing uh band hall. So we call it a sharet when we have all the people that were in that uh that tour come together and start kind of brainstorming on on how these facilities can best function uh for the the the students and teachers in that space. And so we're going to be having some of those those meetings uh many many more meetings. Uh but that's just kind of tomorrow is the kickoff for Lake View. And then uh Wednesday we'll have central and then next Monday we've got Glenn. And so we'll start getting to actually see what those those floor plans and the opportunities for those spaces can be. On the bottom there you can see some of the uh example

082spaces. Uh that's on the bottom left. That's love Cooper Middle School. So, we got to see their their their cafeteria in action and they actually had quite a few more students uh um in their student population than what they had been planning for. So, it was good to see because we could say we need the cafeteria to be bigger than this cuz they were kind of exploding at the time. And so that was one thing we got to uh discuss is, you know, it's one thing to say we need a 5,000 square foot cafeteria, but to see a 5,000 ft cafeteria with 400 kids in it and say this is too small. We need bigger, you know, that's that's what these tours were able to do, especially when we could see students using them and

083students going through the uh the cafeteria lines. they had, you know, four cafeteria lines and that's just not something that the y'all been able to really see function at a high level before. So, being able to see that and say, well, maybe we need five because I think we might have more students uh at at Glenn during a lunch period. So, we're able to have some really good good conversations. Same thing with some of the gym spaces and some of the the outdoor um play slash um eating space. All right, the next project was uh Lake View. And like I said, this is very similar. I probably won't go through um all the same uh elements, but site surveys happening. We've got the Semar request for proposals out. We got to look at some uh

084really exciting uh spaces. Um and I've got pictures on the next, so I'm just going to jump to some of those pictures. Um we got to see some facilities that were really nice, some facilities that were done really efficiently. We think we had a lot of comments about the ones that were done efficiently that people liked and said, "Okay, we like this sealed concrete in certain places because it makes a lot of sense. it's a really cost effective thing that lasts a while. Um, and then there was also some facilities that we saw that had, you know, higherend materials that last a lot longer that make sense in certain applications. So, I think there was some good conversations where we'll probably end up in the middle, I think, on on a lot of the facilities

085that we saw. Um, and so it was a really good experience to see. Uh the top left there is is an automotive shop that we saw and it was really neat to see. It was like a it's like a pet boys at Brownfield and they got to talk to the automotive instructor and got to you know see what works well and it was actually a little bit smaller than what we were planning for but the the space efficiency worked out so well that I think it might actually buy us a little bit more room for flexibility in our space if we use a similar layout. But we have even more room in our program. Um, so that was that was nice to see. Um, on the top right there, that was kind of small, but

086that was one of their their health science labs. So, the opportunity for having health science at uh Lake View as well um was really exciting uh opportunity over there. And then just some of the example welding shops that we saw. um Central High School, we were looking at some of the u the same things uh as I mean uh some of the same items. Obviously, we had uh different space types that we were looking at and I'll I'll just jump to those. And um one thing that we was nice to be able to reference is that we did all go and also tour some of the existing facilities. We toured all the existing facilities before we toured uh the new ones. So we went to Lake View, we went to Central. Um and so while

087we were touring, top left is Seminal High School. Um we were also referencing like Lake View's Auditorium and some of the things that Lake View's Auditorium has versus what uh Central's auditorium has and you know the kind of inbetweens. I don't think we're going to quite get to a seminal uh auditorium. We're not looking at doing a balcony necessarily right now for for central, but just having the the adequate uh individual seating and proper acoustics and proper uh uh backstage like Lake View already has and dressing rooms like Lake View already has um would be a huge step up uh for Central. Um, and then on the top right there, you can see an example culinary lab that we looked at. Um, and then just some of the example common spaces that we would be

088able to to provide. And nowadays, a lot of times they're calling the the cafeteria area commons as well. So, Lake View kind of has their their cafeteria has a pretty nice large common space with the the glass. Uh so being able to provide something like that at central um would would be a nice opportunity. Um let's see. I think that's it from the tours and we'll we'll be bringing back every time we meet with the the committees and the the teachers. We'll be bringing back kind of the the progress on some of their options and what they've been looking at as far as um how these new pieces come together in the building and the the opportunities that that they have for connecting to the existing buildings. Um there's there's a lot of um a

089lot of options being made right now and I know throughout the bond process there was always maintenance and operations was really a a big piece and then um capital renewal and the longevity of the buildings was always a big piece. And so one thing that we're always keeping at the top of our mind is that some of these initial decisions that we're making, you know, even though we're just seeing maybe the the 15 to 20% of it, you know, when we look at even a carpet, tile, seal, sealed concrete versus carpet that we're always looking at, well, when does that need to be replaced? How much does it cost now versus how much does it cost over the course of 75 years? because sometimes it's real easy to go with a a really cheap floor

090material. Um, but if you're having to replace it every 3 to 5 years, it's not what's best for the interest of the school district. So, every one of these decisions we're trying to make. We're trying to consider what's kind of that underlying piece that that we're not necessarily seeing that we need to be thinking about. So, we're we're trying to keep that at the top of of everybody's mind along with the mission of the school district. So, I mean, future ready learners. Uh, so it's an exciting time and we're moving forward on the bond projects. Any questions? >> Any questions for Mr. Lopez? >> All right. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. All right. We're going to start now by going through our proposed agenda for um next week. And just a note, just I'll remind

091us at the end, our meeting next week is on a Thursday. Um so invocation, pledge, recognitions. Um then we'll have a construction update by Mr. Danheim, update on academic pro programs, Dr. Gomez. Um we'll nothing we need to talk about that tonight. We'll do all that next week. Um, update on personnel from Miss Griffin next week. Okay. And update on campus enrollment. Anything we need to do on that tonight? >> No, sir. We're just going to give you a update as far as campus by grade level and then uh Mr. Combach will offer his expertise and dig a little deeper into the enrollment historically and projected. And I I want to go back real quick. The update on personnel that's going to address our rehires, hires, um some questions that were asked at our last

092>> Yeah. All the certifications by grade level um uh which classes are are not being taught by a certifi certified teacher, which have retired rehires, and the team's working on that now to prepare for next week. >> Okay. Um, and then we'll have some consent items. Um, and we're going to there's some things that I have tagged for consent, but if we're not comfortable with them consent, we can move them to the regular for um, but donations and our minutes from our August meetings. Um, we're going to discuss bid 20-014, Mr. Henry. So, we can try and keep that on consent for next week. You're actually going to be up here for a minute. Yes sir. Uh this this first one bid 20-014. This is the curriculum and instruction. This is just an adder to

093our existing bid. Uh it's a curriculum provider uh asked by the CNI department to be added. So, this is just an ad to a bid that we've already approved for previously for curriculum instruction. Correct. Any questions about that adding that vendor? >> Is everyone okay with it being consent? >> Okay. So, we keep that on consent. Uh, next we have bid 25-0 and it's a carpet installation bid. Annually, the purchasing department receives bid pricing for the purchase of carpet with installation. This year, we gave specification for 400 square yards of 24x 24 carpet squares. The bid establishes a vendor for maintenance for the maintenance department to use when carpet is replaced. The contract period is for for this bid begins on October 1st and ends on September 30th, 2026 with two one-year options for renewal.

094This year we received one bid. This bid was from the incumbent Smith Flooring who has won this bid four times over the last seven years. Uh the administration recommends the purchase of carpet from Smith flooring for the 2526 school year. The bid tabulation is attached. >> And Mr. Henry, this is for this isn't for like a big revitalization project. This is for patching carpets that are >> this is for as needed. If if we needed a room, this room recarpeted, we could call Smith flooring. We have a predetermined price for both the material and the labor. >> Okay, >> Mr. Henry. Similar pricing as was last year before. >> It was It went up just a little bit, but yeah, it was very similar. >> Thanks. >> Any questions regarding the car? >> Did Smith

095have the bid last year also? >> They did, and they've done an excellent job for us. >> Thank you. >> Everyone okay with consent on that? All right. Bid 25-011, paper towels and toilet tissue. Each year, we submit a bid for paper towels and toilet tissue for the use in all of our facilities. In this bid, we will also secure unlimited dispensers with our pricing. This year, we also asked for direct to a direct delivery option to increase efficiency in deliveries. We had seven vendors respond to this bid. Supplies will be p purchased on an asneeded basis and directly delivered to the campus this year. Funds for these purchases are available through the maintenance budget and various campus budgets. After review of the proposals with the director of maintenance and evaluation of the bids was

096prepared based on the scoring criteria. This contract contract period is from October 1st to September 30th, 2026 with an option for two additional one-year renewals. The administration recommends approval of Mayfield Paper Company as our toilet paper and toilet and toilet tissue. I'm sorry, paper towel and toilet tissue vendor. Everyone okay with consent on that? >> All right. Bid 25-013 is our safety and security audit. This is something that's required by the state. Um, can you give us the >> current three-year school safety and security audit cycle for school districts begins on November 1st, 2023 and ends on August 31st of 2026. School district safety and security audits required are required by Texas Education Code 37 108 and must be completed during that cycle. Districts are required to report specifi specified audit results to the Texas

097School Safety Center by September 15, 2026. Bid specifications were developed for companies to assist in the completion of the Texas School Safety Center audit tool. Six vendors responded to this bid. All companies submitted resumes to of their audit teams. The bids were evaluated and the incumbent Krux Technology and Solutions Security Solutions presented a team that demonstrated the knowledge we're conducting a comprehensive review of school dis school and district facilities and operations. The administration recommends approval of Krux Technology and Security Solutions of Fort Worth to conduct the Texas School Safety Center school safety and security audit. Total cost of this project will be $42,500. Do we have any questions? >> Mr. Henry, I noticed that Krux graded out slightly higher than Chadam, which is a little less was a little less expensive. Is it familiarity familiarity

098with our system that would provide the the >> Yeah, familiarity and and they're a great great group to work with as well. They're uh they did our last audit and they had actually done the audit. Before that, we had hired them as just an independent auditor for an audit and they also assisted us in several of our security projects as well. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Consent. Okay. We'll keep that on we'll keep that on consent. Next is bid 25-016. Um, and that's Sam Houston demolition. >> With the movement of freshmen away from the Oaks campus, it opened up space to allow incillary programs to be moved into the existing building. This allowed the special programs department to move out of Sam Houston and into this campus. This move left the old Sam Houston campus

099vacant with no no longer needed. With the assistance of King's Consultants, specifications and drawings were produced to abate and demo the entire Sam Houston campus. Bids were opened and five contractors submitted quality bids for this work. Bids were were scored and reviewed and Reese Albert Trucking of St. Angelo and AML Environmental received the highest scores. The administration recommends approval of Reese Albert trucking to demo the building and AML environmental to abate at Sam Houston Elementary. Total cost for all demo and abatement is $316,460 which includes a $40,000 contingency. Any questions? >> Questions for Mr. Henry or >> Mr. Have we used AML before? >> We have not used A or I'm sorry I take that back. We have used AML before. They were a subcontractor under Midtex at Altaloma. They did all the abatement there.

100Did a good job. >> Satisfactory. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Other questions for Mr. Henry? >> Where where is Sam Houston? >> It's on the corner right there. Is this part of the bond package or what? What is this? >> No, this is part of vacating old buildings that our maintenance staff can no longer uh as a district. We don't have a use for the building. It's beyond its useful life. Taking it offline saves hours and hours of manpower and costly uh maintenance to an old building. It's if you were to go uh up Bryant, turn right, I think at is it McDonald's? >> Maybe one block over and it'll be on the left. >> Okay. Right by the light. >> That's it. Yep. >> So, it's been office space for the last >> several

101years. It hasn't been used as a campus for a long time. Um, and so when we've looked at things, you know, predating I think anyone who's on this board, maybe not, but the Travis Elementary and, you know, and some things that where things sit vacant in the neighborhood. Yeah. We want to make sure that we're um being good stewards of that neighborhood, not letting some just run down right there. So >> So, are we not able to to sell these these buildings? Why are we looking to to demo? >> Well, we did that with Travis. We sold it and the person that sold it just didn't do anything with it. So, it's just been sitting there vacant. >> Yeah, but that's not our problem after >> I know it's not our problem, but they call

102us all the time going, "How come y'all didn't tear down Travis?" >> It's still not our problem. >> That's what I tell them. It's not ours anymore. >> I'm just saying this amount here 316,460 to demo it. >> Y and and you know what? I'm going to tell you something. The reason um a lot of it is uh is is best abatement. like Travis, the reason we sold it was it was going to cost about $400,000 back then to tear down Travis, but the majority of it was abatement for asbestous. And you're like, so the guy bought it and you know, he uh he didn't want to tear it down neither. So you just kind of go, well, so if we sell it, I don't want it sitting there for the next 20 years because

103someone doesn't want to do anything with it. So it's just better. I mean, you can still sell the I mean, also we could still sell the property if we tore it now. You can still sell the property >> or and or >> and that money can go towards the district. I mean, yeah, >> we could also use the property for >> use the property >> in the future for something. >> Is that something we're looking to do? >> I mean, we don't at the moment we're know we're not going to use that building and main the idea is, you know, as the board, we've looked at things in the past is maintaining buildings we're not using and spending that money. Like one, it's some of our insurance won't let us insure it typically. Um, two,

104it ends up being a blight on the neighborhood. of being able we don't necessarily want to be in the business of holding properties. We also want to make sure that we don't need it for something in the future, but we do want to make sure that a property that is a building, not property, a building that has passed its useful use, we um don't let it sit there empty and not be a good for that neighborhood and then we can use that property for something else in the future if we want to. >> How long has it been empty? >> We moved out of it uh this year. >> Three months, four months. >> Three months. And you're looking to demo when >> as soon as we can. >> So it hasn't been sitting there.

105To me, that's a large amount of money. >> It hasn't been 316 >> over a decade though. >> But it's still been utilized, right? >> Maybe maybe a good thing would be for we can't do it as a board, but maybe um we'll leave it on the agenda. There's a way maybe that you could go view like mo I think most people on the board have been through that building. We'll set up a time for you to go through that building with Dr. Moran. um so that you can see what we're dealing with um and that way um it may assuage some fears about what we're doing. >> That's a good idea. >> So why don't we why don't we set something up like that? Any other board member? Obviously, we can't go as a

106quorum, but if there's a facility that we um are looking at because I to your point, some of this has been talked about for year, you know, months and years and not is new to use since May. And so, let's I want to make sure we get um we have you have every opportunity to see why some of us have felt that that's the way to go. We haven't voted on yet obviously, but um what we can do is um try and set up a time for you and Dr. ran volunteering. >> Sure. >> That to go do um a a walkthrough of that so you see what we're looking at. >> Sound good? >> Just leave action too. >> Yeah. >> And we can let's make it a regular item for uh next week.

107That way um we keep everything else consent. >> Any other questions or comments regarding the Sam Houston demolition? Okay. Next, we're going to have things that we for sure we're planning on action items. Uh, bid 25-019, a demography study. >> Demographic study. Demography. >> St. Angelo ISD is soliciting proposals for qualified firms specializing in K12 demographic analyst, analyst, analysis, enrollment, forecasting, and planning support services. The selected firm will serve as the district's demographer, providing comprehensive reports, presentations, and ongoing consultation to the district's administration and board of trustees. The primary objective is to develop reliable data to support long range facility planning, potential attendance boundaries, modification, and strategic decisionmaking. We received two proposals from firms capable of performing this type of work. The scoring criteria was applied and Zonda Demographics proposed the lowest cost and received

108the highest score. The administration recommends awarding Zonda Demographics of of South Lake with the contract for the total amount of $32,000. Do we have any questions on that? >> I have a question. So there wasn't there was something similar to this done before the bond. Is that right? Is this like a more advanced version of that? >> Right. So SDS was our demographer in in the past and they brought a kind of an update last Nove or last fall to the uh facility advisory committee. Uh what we're hoping for is a deep dive and a more thorough treatment. Uh SDS was given the opportunity to be a part of this. We did not receive uh the bid per the bid requirements on time. Zonda was chosen. the other uh vendor that submitted uh was quite

109a bit higher and typically is and um so we felt really good about this and Zonda used to be Templeton demographics and um some I don't know if this district has ever used Templeton but I've had experience with Templeton as well. They're very very good. So we'll have good experience with them. I feel confident. And and so to your point, Dr. Mills, I think the idea is that this is a they're going to give us fluid data over the next I think it's three with two one-year terms. So like a 5-year contract to where we can make sure that as we are looking at our district as a whole and trying to figure out what the next even more so, we have buildings, what the next 20 years looks like for the growth of St.

110Angelo. making sure that we are um confident in what we're building that things last for the next 75 years. And if we're looking at attendance zones or um um right sizing schools that we make sure that um the things we come up with aren't something that has to be changed three years later because we misread a a stagnant per piece of time. >> Excellent. Thank you. Any other questions regarding the demographic? We keep that on regular. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Um then the next is going to be a placeholder. Um every time this year we have some class sizes that are still in the midst of moving, but I'm assume it was not in our report yet. So >> yes. So I will give the official update as the time of that regular

111meeting. Right now we have approximately 299 classrooms prek through fifth grade. The Texas education code uh cap for prek through fourth grade is 22 to1. There is no cap beyond fourth grade. The district puts in local policy when we're above 25. Um we do provide a class size overage stipen. As of the present time, out of those classrooms, we have 12 that are over the ratio. One kindergarten, three third grade, five fourth grade, and three fifth grade. But again, we monitor this daily, and I'll provide the official information as of the time of the board meeting. So, I know historically you you all sit there and try and work on campuses to make sure that every um every class is equal size on those campuses for each teacher and so um I know that's a

112fluid thing here in these first couple weeks of school, but there will be we will need to vote on that next week. So, it's a placeholder right now for pre-aggenda. >> So, what what the board actually has to vote on is not the waiver. The waiver is a requirement. the board has to vote on the compliance plan that we have to submit. And so some of the actions that the district continues to seek as we look at balancing classrooms. We do that on a regular basis. In fact, since the beginning of the school, we have moved two teachers to balance numbers across the district. One moved from Lamar to Hollowman and one moved from Glennmore to Hollowman to balance numbers. Um those are never fun uh situations. Unfortunately due to enrollment they do occur um

113most often annually. Then also we continue to seek certified individuals. However we would rather be over one student or two students with a highly qualified teacher than add a classroom with an uncertified staff member. as you know in the state of national and state teacher shortages. That is a very hard um situation to fill when we already have shortages. And then lastly, the board has approved the class size overage stipen. So we track that weekly for teachers that are over and that's paid each semester. >> So let's keep that as regular just so our parents hear that. And um any questions regarding that? All right. Um, we do need to go into executive session. You got your pencil, Dr. Mr. Gos, it's going to be under 551.074 personnel, 551.076, which is security devices, and 551.082,

114082 which is school children district employees um disciplinary matters or complaint. >> All right we'll be back anymore. >> All right we are back from executive session. We took no votes took no action. Um announcements. We have a pre-agenda board workshop on October 6th, regular board meeting October 21st, and we actually have a regular board meeting next week on the 18th, which is a Thursday. And with that, we are ajourned.