Verona Area School District Board of Education Meeting May 19, 2025

001Good. Good evening everyone. Welcome to our May 19th board meeting. Good to have folks here. Thanks for your attendance and presence this evening. Um I'm going to call this meeting to order and we'll establish that we have a quorum beginning with a roll call vote. Joe here. Corby here. John here. Meredith here. Christopher here. Juan Carlos here. I'm here as well. We have a quorum. Corby, has this meeting been properly noticed? It has. Thank you. To help ensure that we're centering our board work around our shared values and serving our students, we begin each of our board meetings by reading our district's equity statement framework and the Ho Chunk land acknowledgement, which can be found at the top of the agenda. Meredith, would you please read those aloud for us this evening? Absolutely. Um, our

002equity statement reads, "In the Verona Area School District, our mission is that each student will acquire the knowledge and skills necessary to achieve their personal goals, thrive in a diverse global society, and lead a healthy, self-fulfilling life. To meet this mission, the Verona Area School District will ensure that every individual has access to the educational, social, and emotional support they need to feel valued and affirmed in their unique identities and experiences. We acknowledge that inequities and power dynamics exist in our system such that some individuals on the basis of their identities face barriers to accessing the opportunities they need to experience success and acknowledgement of such. The Verona Area School District is committed to disrupting these systems of inequity. And our Ho Chunk land acknowledgement reads, "There are currently 12 tribal nations who call Wisconsin

003home with the Ho Chunk Nation being the primary group living around Madison. No matter where you are in the state, you are on the ancestral land of tribal nation. As we begin our meeting, we honor the land upon which we stand. Thank you. Uh board members, I'd ask you to turn your attention to the remainder of tonight's agenda. I would accept a motion to approve the agenda if there are no amendments to be made this evening. So moved. Thank you, Juan Carlos. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Christopher. All those in favor of approving tonight's agenda as written, please signify with I. I. Any opposed? All right, moving on to student recognition. And this evening, Dr. Clarity, we are recognizing your advisory students. So, I'm going to turn it over to you to give

004some celebrations and accolades. Excellent. Thank you. And good evening, everyone. Thanks for joining us here today. We are extremely excited to be able to bring uh two representatives from the student advisory uh here um to just talk about the experiences of being advisory students. uh the significant progress and supports that they have provided in terms of a leadership opportunity elevating uh student agency and be able to make sure that we are uh be able to bring uh thoughts to our community and to the board of education. So, it's my honor to bring uh two of our uh students. We're going to have Faith and Aaron join us up here at the stage there to do a quick discussion of the topics that we've covered this year and and more. You go up or down or

005you want stand up? Okay. Good evening everyone. I'm Faith and I'm currently a junior here. Um I've been on this committee since seventh grade and I've had nothing but positive experiences. Um in our superintendent meetings, we are provided a safe space to speak openly and honestly with our peers and staff to communicate what we believe is needed change or to keep things implemented in our school community. Um, not only is it impressive to see us peers standing up to lead, but I think it's also really impressive to see our superintendent, Dr. Clarity, create this safe space to talk deeply and listen to our ideas. Um, and not only listen to them, but he also takes action. Um, a big example of this is our mission statement. We worked to revise that to make sure every

006identity was affirmed and assured that this community was a safe space for them. Um, additionally, Dr. Clity gives his gives us his ideas and lets us critique them. So, it's not just him making the ideas come to reality, but he's also getting a lot of our input to make sure that we are on the same page. Um, I think that's impactful to see this because um, in this district I think it's very honored that student voice is very important and I think that's honestly the most important point as these decisions are always affecting us mostly. Um, and I want to take a moment to highlight again Dr. Clarity for taking his time out of his days to meet with not only high school students but also middle school and elementary schoolers. um his efforts to

007acknowledge each and every one of us and affirm us and encourage us is something that I think is really impactful that's not credited enough. Um an example of this doing is in a meeting back in December there was a controversy on how our principal handled um acknowledging the shooting at abundant life and other students discussed with dodgy clarity how it upset us um believing that it was handled the wrong way. he chose to open up for discussion. Um, and while that's a very uncomfortable and unusual conversation, he assured us that he will change the ways that things are brought up um, when tragic events happen or just any other forms of communication. Um, and I think the biggest thing that happened that really made an impact was Dr. Clary assuring me that if I say

008something to our principal and there's nothing that has changed that he will take that step to make sure something happens. Um but yeah, I think that overall meeting with this group once a month is something that's very little but goes a very long way. So I thank Dr. Clarity for meeting with us and taking his time. Well, thank you. Okay. Um hello everyone. My name is Aaron Yarro and I am also a junior here at Ron Area High School. I first started working on the superintendent of advisory council when I was in seventh grade. at this time. It was a cool opportunity for me to share my opinions, but I've been lucky enough to stay on the team for four or five years and I've been able to see our ideas actually come into place.

009Um, at the end of the day, students are at the center of our school district. They are the ones most directly impacted by the changes that are made regarding our education system and school policies. Because of this, it only makes sense for students to have a voice regarding these changes. Dr. Clarity acknowledged this right away through his creation of the student advisory councils, not just at the high school level, but the middle school and elementary levels as well. Being a student in the Rona area school district, it brings me great comfort knowing that there are kids who have a say in these policies that are affecting them every day. One thing that has changed in some of our superintendent meetings this year compared to the previous is that we've been given the opportunity as student

010leaders to select topics that we feel need to be discussed. Dr. Clarity has always been open to our topics and the opportunity to deep dive into these specific topics using our own questions has allowed us to explore issues that we experience every day as students. I feel we've been able to create a nice balance between topics that Dr. Clarity feels needs to be discussed and ones we do as students. Getting to be a part of a team that helps make these decisions has allowed me to see how much goes into every decision that is made by the school district. When most kids hear about changes in our district, they often quickly form assumptions based on how they are impacted by these decisions. It can be easy to make assumptions about these things, but my work

011on the superintendent student advisory board has taught me that there is a ton of thought that goes into each and every decision that is made. Nothing is done without considering how students, teachers, and parents are going to be impacted. Every word that is sent out to students, whether that be through emails or announcements, has been specifically chosen to fill a specific purpose. These are things that many students are not aware of, but that I have been able to learn through my time working with Dr. Clarity. In short, my time on the Superintendent Student Advisory Council has taught me that student voice is valued here at the Rona Area School District. I am grateful to have been given the opportunity to work alongside such great people as well as to be able to use my voice

012to invoke change in our school policies. I look forward to continuing to work in our effort to make the school district the best it can be. Thank you. So, it definitely is my honor and very humbled to hear from our our students and like I said, they've been with me since the seventh grade uh when we came on board. Uh and I'd like to thank the board of ed uh for allowing me to come in and put this concept of advisories into into space for a student advisory, a staff advisor, and a parent advisory, which was a which is a new concept here. also if you can see on the screen acknowledge our four student leaders uh that all four have been on this journey with us for uh throughout throughout the whole process and

013really have as Aaron stated has been able to help us navigate and make shifts when needed. Uh so acknowledging Aaron and Faith who you just heard from but also Michaela who's a good MJ and also Sydney Moore. Uh both of them are are hardworking and are all doing other jobs right now so weren't able to be with us here today but definitely wanted to send their thoughts. You'll if you're listening to the podcast this morning, we had Faith and MJ on this morning. So, you'll be able to hear MJ's thoughts through the podcast that we just did uh this morning in in the loop with the Sue. Um again, it's definitely an honor to be able to work with our our students as we continue to focus in on student agency. Uh some of the

014things that you know may not be thought of even um information that's going out. I I we utilize this advisory to read each line of an email often to make sure like tell me how this resonates with students because it may not quite be student age anymore. So some of the language I may use it may uh become um archaic or become too educational uh too much of educational lingo. We want to think make sure that it is sitting with our intended audience and making sure that there's no mis misrepresentation and also ensuring that uh we are encompassing all perspectives as we put a communication out to our public. So and they do a phenomenal job of providing that insight and feedback to me often right on the spot in partnership with uh with Marcy

015uh as as well to be able to look at look at our materials. I see many some of the parents here with us today. Thank you so much for allowing the honor for them to be in the space with me. They give me uh uh a full hour or more a month and that's just the meetings and then I'll pull them to the side and we'll have little side projects that we work on to make sure that we're doing uh uh things because we know events in schools don't always follow a calendar and some and I just need the perspectives and be able to get that insight as well. So thank you again for the honor of being able to lead with you. I get one more year with you next year and and but

016we are creating a very solid pipeline. We have uh 60 plus students that are part of student advisory now. I know we used to do the presentation here. So we'll be doing that um in person next on the 28th or 29th 29th. Uh we'll be doing the medal presentation and also acknowledging our seniors. Uh I did want to put our seniors on the screen. Uh we have Jonah uh Michaela and Nory uh who will be uh leaving a great legacy here as our senior team as they'll also receive the senior cords to wear at uh wear graduation. So you if you see them, please acknowledge them. We thank you for their support as they head on to great careers post post high school. But again, thank you both Aaron and Faith for so much that

017you're bringing here and giving us your time here on a on a Monday evening as as well. I know it wasn't easy to come. So thank you so much. Uh and any questions from our board? I'd like to just share my similar accolades and gratitude to you all. Um your feedback comes through Dr. Clarity and really informs us as well. We um look forward to having students at meetings and to really knowing and understanding your experience because a part of what our job is is to really ensure that your journey through our schools matters and that you feel prepared to go beyond our VADK12 education. So your voice even through Dr. Clarity is super important to us as well. So thank you for your time and your commitment and your insights um and to just

018elevate again as you shared Dr. clarity, just the importance of the time that you make to elevate voices from these different advisory groups um has been really impactful and the data that we can get through those voices um I think is really important as a board member. So, thank you both for your time tonight and in general. I have a question for Dr. Claire. I'm just wondering if you could kind of elaborate a little on on how students were chosen for the advisory. Yeah, it's a great question. So, uh, when we first started, it became, um, coming new to the district, I didn't know a lot of a lot of families there, didn't a lot of students. uh and so I worked with our principles and really wanted to make sure that uh giving me

019a broad range of perspectives know based off the relationships that you have already established with some of our students um both students that are highly um involved and engaged but also some students that may not be directly engaged and and need that perspective as well as far as how to do that. we wanted to make sure that it was also representative of our of our student body in terms of um of identity and representation. So um from that aspect that began the initial um the initial group and then each year we've added um depend on core it's uh fourth and fifth grade all the way through but uh generally sixth grade all the way through. So I always have a new class coming through as we exit uh some seniors at the end of the

020day. That's great. Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah. I just wanted to point out something that that faith pointed out that may sound so small and simple, but I want to explain how globally uh the aha moment has happened for for several districts I've visited across the world when you pointed out the equity statement and that it had student voice to to uh to be revised. Sounds so simple, right? you you would expect student voice to be an equity statement of a school district. But everywhere I've been when I've said that that happened, that district was like, "Wow, why don't we do that?" So, I just want to point out the work that you've done is is making an impact globally. Thank you. Awesome. Do you want to draw attention to just any of the other groups

021that we have to just absolutely list names? And so this is uh as we're listening and I I'm not going to re read each name as I just lost my foot. Thank you. Uh so definitely want to recognize the other groups, not the other group, but the other members of Groner High School team. Uh we have our Badger Ridge and Court team as well as our Savannah Oaks Middle School uh uh team team as well. And just uh again want to give a shout out to the leaders there who have helped me always provide a great space. Then Mrs. Stanley uh who helps me uh pull the stat students together uh provides nourishment snack and uh Dr. Hawkins who has always you know been there to uh support with agendas and making sure that things

022are coordinated as well. So it's definitely a team effort and we get to engage with a phenomenal phenomenal group each each year. Great. Thank you all again. We get to do a staff recognition this evening as well. Celebrating our communications team, one of whom I see in front of us with Marcy and I don't see Karen, but right doing your communications thing. Um, so as we step into recognizing the two of you, just sharing a bit again from my perspective as a board member. Super appreciative of sharing dialogue communications that we get included in as board members that maybe aren't direct board purview, but also in shared communications. um the ability to collaborate and have just the time and energy that you put into sharing information about the district on a regular basis. So, gratitude

023from me and board members and that's clarity. Hopefully. All right. Anything else to add on our celebrating the communications team? I love that term by the way. I don't think we say that often. All right. All right. Next in this tempster report, uh we have an update on SSM Health Dean Medical Group uh contract and we'll bring Michelle to the table. Um students, yeah, I'm uh my students and can you just meet me out in the hallway for a quick second and I'll be I'll meet you right there. Anyone's welcome to stay of course for duration of meeting or as much as you'd like. And yes, thank you again. Thank you. Hi Michelle, do you need the clicker? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Good evening, everyone. This is kind of the culmination

024of the work that we've done to get us to the point where we're presenting to you tonight the contract to potentially sign with SSM Health for the on-site clinic. The last couple of meetings we've met about the construction costs and so we needed to finalize the construction costs before we actually entered into a contract with SS. So, uh, Nay and Chad and I have been working with SSM to review a contract. What they've presented with us is a three-year contract that is not exclusive with our dean health insurance plan. So, we can have one health insurance plan, two on-site clinic, both or separate. And this is really important depending on what we do for the future of the clinic and the future of health care. Um we have worked really hard on uh ensuring that

025it is a cost effective clinic. Um we have built in with SSM Health a 5% increase to the cost of the clinic which really aligns to what they're considering medical trend. We know though that 5% feels like a lot. And so what SSM has promised and we've written into the contract is that every year we will review the costs to make sure if they're coming in below 5% um we won't see 5% increase. So that has been built into the contract as well. The rest of the contract is really the logistical and operational pieces of the puzzle. We really needed to document how we work through confidentiality, how we work through storage of records, how we work through terms and termination. um who takes care of the facility, is that our custodians that come in

026clean? Do they bring in custodians? Um all of those really minute details to make sure we've got a clinic that operates well and runs well. We've also finalized what eligibility for our employees and our members looks like as well as what we consider covered services. The other piece of the puzzle that I think is more important for the board and for our community is to really understand the metrics. So we've worked with SSM Health on what data we will receive on a monthly basis and a quarterly basis and an annual basis to make sure that it's being utilized. It's being utilized in the right ways and that we're really targeting all of the things that we wanted to discuss up until this point. So all of those pieces have been wrapped in the the bundle

027of the language of the contract. What might be more interesting to think through is the details that we haven't shared much about to this point and that's really the services that our members are going to see in the clinic. And so when we think about the clinic um we think and are expected that our staff are going to receive treatment for minor illnesses and injuries, our annual wellness exams and physicals, disease management, vaccines, and laboratory testing. Those are all pieces that we want staff to use the clinic for and their family members. Staffing has also been very important. Chad has shared before that um we're paying the bill to hire the staff. And I want to be clear, SSN owns the staff. The contract states we pay a flat dollar amount to send to SSN

028and they pay their salaries. And within that, we want to talk about FTE or full-time equivalency of who are the staff that are going to be in the clinic. And so, we've started with a base of 1.2 FTE advanced practice uh provider. That's about 48 hours a week that we're going to have an AP in the clinic. There's going to be a 6 behavioral health provider, which is about 24 hours a week. A full-time medical assistant, and a full-time registered nurse. And those four people are really critical in running the clinic. There will be three um medical rooms. There will be a behavioral health room. There will be a laboratory. And they're going to be working with within all of those rooms to service our employees throughout the day. The other piece of the puzzle

029with this contract is who pays for what. And so we've been very clear on how that works. Um there are some pieces that the district is leasing through the contract and there are some pieces that we're buying as a part of the construction. So we are leasing access to SSM using Epic systems. So SSM has to pay a premium to access Epic. We're paying that premium as a part of the contract. the same the um the things that we have in the clinic, the clinic beds, the computers, all of those pieces are built into a contract that we're paying a monthly premium for. And as those need to be replaced, it's just automatically built into the contract. So, we don't have to worry about large investments once every four to five years or whatever that

030is. Um the other thing that I think is the most important is really the outcomes of this living. And we've talked about this a lot and how we tie those outcomes to the data that we will receive. So the the biggest piece for our employees and and we align this to our strategic framework is ensuring our employees are health and well. And we believe that with this clinic we will have easier and quicker access to care. We believe that our employees are going to be healthier because they can see the doctor quicker than potentially what we see in the market. Um the other piece of the puzzle is really the savings. every time the clinic is used is not an insurance claim to our insurance plan. And that's very important. When we talk about insurance

031renewals and insurance premiums, they always look at claims and utilization. So, every time someone uses our clinic is one less claim that hits our plan. That is going to help us in the long term for negotiating premium renewals. It will take some time because we need people to build up to utilizing the clinic fully, but that's the goal at the end of the day. Every claim that hits the clinic is not a claim. Um, we're also going to see some really quick savings and our principles got very excited about this. New employee physicals. Typically, a new employee physical can take between two and four weeks between when we offer a job and a new employee to start. um we'll be able to hopefully get them in the same day or the next day for physicals.

032And that's a cost that we're also saving as well. New employee physicals cost us in the budget. Now it just runs through the clinic. Same with workers comp. That costs us money through workers comp. If we run it through the clinic, those are premium savings through the clinic. So holistically, we've talked a little bit about the construction. We've talked about the location. Now we've talked about the contract. I'm going to open this up for all of you to ask questions and then later on we're going to have the board take a vote for approving the SSM contract. I had a question. What does the utilization mean? Does it mean it's variable depending on how much it's utilized like the lab consumers and the vaccines? That's correct. So, um, you're we're charged for any time that's

033used instead of just a flat rate because it's hard to identify how many people are getting lab work. Is there like an average? There is not. There isn't. No. Can you remind me again what the staffing is? Absolutely. It's not the cost of what the FTEES are. For sure. 1.2 advanced practice provider. So, A, a 6 behavioral health, a 1.0 medical assistant, and a 1.0 No purchase. That's a little under right at 3.8 FTE. I'm smiling at you on Carlos because that utilization and Relle probably knows this that that's the secret sauce to to negotiations every year. If someone could figure that out or have a crystal ball, the negotiations would go a lot smoother. I have a couple of questions. So, one, will the clinic be open all year round? So, when you talked

034about like some of the things of new staff, I'm envisioning summer, right? That this is going to be open always, not just following our academic calendar. Correct. Monday through Friday, 7:30 to 6. Okay. Okay. Great. Okay. Okay. So then I have a question about so on the on slide 17 am I understanding this correctly that the the on-site clinic is completely really in theory disconnected from who we have as district insurance. That's correct. Okay. So if if that's true, can you explain to me how how does the how does the utilization discussion work with whomever the insurance carrier is? Right. Like right now I see those being more married together because of being SSM and dean, but can you just talk about like that that um power to negotiate does it matter who we're with

035because of the clinic? Am I sort of asking a question, but I'm just curious about that because they feel so separate to me. For sure. And they are separate. So deep health insurance plan when they look at our renewals, they're looking at every claim that hits the insurance plan. So every doctor that submits a claim is what happens for negotiations. the clinic will never file a claim. Period. And so when we look at negotiations, we're going to come with all of the clinic data that we have and we're going to say, "Dear health insurance carrier, look at all of the savings that we've already had. Look at all of the things that we've prevented with preventative care. We're helping keep our plans uh healthier by doing this. And we should have lower claims. And so

036that's why we would have a smaller renewal potential." Got it. And so that can be just discussed with any potential carrier to say, "Look at our data of our in-house utilization. That means less." Okay, that just helped me to hear it play out a little bit because I was mirroring those together a bit. This is one where I feel like there's a lot of questions that I have. It's a lot of trust. This is out of, you know, my scope just as far as like workman's comp. Does that actually I mean would a nurse practitioner be sufficient to manage nurse, you know, workman's comp? That is correct. So it's an AP. Many many people have EPS as their healthcare providers. Okay. EPS can treat workers comp. Okay. So, that's that's not something that'll be a

037barrier. I feel Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of questions um that will just kind of go on on faith here a little bit. It's It seems like a great thing. I'm a little nervous just because it's a big expense annually. is a new provider that we're kind of working with, but I I'm I'm just a little apprehensive. So new. That's Yeah. Yeah. I'm I want to kind of add on to what Meredith said. I'm I'm very in favor of this, but the savings at this point are theoretical, but the cost is very much real. And I'll I'll just be honest, this cost is a lot higher than I was expecting it to be. And I'm looking at the breakdowns and twothirds of it is staffing and benefits. And the reason I asked for

038you to repeat what the FTEES are is I know what those jobs get paid and it doesn't seem to add up to what's here. So I guess that leads to my question which is are we paying the actual costs or are we paying them this amount and if they hire staff for less than that they get to keep the extra. That's correct. And on that 5% increase. I know it says in here that if actual market conditions reflect lower costs that they'll adjust it but that's again that's unilateral because we don't have the data to know what the market is. they have that un unless we have the right to like get their data and can audit it. We just have to go on faith that they'll voluntarily tell us they get to get less

039money next year. Um, and that I have some apprehension. I think that's fair. It's something that we can go back to them as a part of the contract. I think the other piece that we don't want to miss out on is that the clinic has already been in Dayne County and other schools, Sunbury, Middleton, and Verona, and it has been wildly successful there. Yeah. Just real quick question. Sorry. Um around um this is a change for staff. So those change change sometimes can be hard. Go get someone who you like and you don't want to leave them. Um of course, that won't be necessarily an option with insurance plan change, but uh talked a little bit about communication and incentivization to go to the clinic versus going to maybe a path that's well worn that

040you're used to. I did that at a prior employer that had a similar plan and it cost me dearly and part of was a lack of communication of what what was uh the appropriate way to access the benefit. For sure. Um, you know, I think we're a little bit blessed by having such a major provider disruption at this point and that we're tying this together that if this this is something that's approved, we're able to communicate this sooner rather than later and staff can start making relationships with these providers. Um, the other thought that we had was having our newly hired providers actually go out to our buildings and meet with staff, have them a part of uh welcome back week for staff. Um, and uh, there's a couple other things. If we think about

041new employee physicals, every new employee is going to start building a relationship with that provider before they even start working at the district. And our annual wellness physicals, we're really going to promote that folks go here as well. So, we've got a couple of different places that we're really pushing that folks give a try. And hopefully with that, we'll start filling up the clinic and slots fairly quickly. Thank you. what would be the detriment to um waiting a year to just kind of establish with Dean just I think this is this is a a shift for our community and I think it's um could be positive but I just want to make sure if asked about it we have the answers and I this is one where I again I having some changes what would

042you say like a year would do for sure I think um kind of just like what Christopher was talking about building those relationship relationships with providers you get a year to a provider, it's a lot harder to change a relationship. Um, Dean is also building the clinic rate here in Verona and we would be we would like to be ahead of that a little bit and start driving utilization rate to that clinic and have it become more of a norm to come to our clinic rather than going to the clinic across the street. I think the other piece is really a cost savings. Our plan does a $20 co-ay when someone goes and sees a doctor and with this clinic it's it's cost neutral. of zero dollars and that means a lot to many of

043our staff members who maybe have kids that go to the doctor more frequently or behavioral health needs that quicker access. I I really think doing it sooner keeps our employees healthier and it really shows our investment and how much we care about them. So just to confirm if an employee goes and use the services at the onsite clinic it's zero dollars to them for nonpreventive. That's correct. Okay. Yeah, all services are zero. And if this gets really busy and I guess how does it work if there's really long wait times for staff and families given and maybe they need to get attention sooner, but because the on-site location is not available, they had to go somewhere else. Is there any carryover? I'm assuming no, but I'm saying is it if that situation happens that they'll

044have to go to the dean clinic or other provider. That's right. The difference is they pay a $20 co-ay at the D clinic. And the other thing that I think is going to be important for us is to monitor those metrics. So, we are starting with a smaller group of folks that are eligible for this, knowing that we want to fill that up. If we see that we're not filling up those spaces, then we can open it up a little bit more. and vice versa. We're putting it in a building and there's extra space on where we're building it out and in years if we have to add more offices, we have the ability to expand. Are we going to be doing any data collection within the clinic to understand because if it's not getting

045build out, I'm wondering how much we're tracking just to understand what's what services are being utilized there at what levels. Yes, we get all of that data because I imagine there may be some if if the goal is to try and prevent claims from hitting our insurance carrier. The the motivation seems to be to get the highest level of acuity service that can be provided at that clinic and then the lower acuity stuff if you're full can that's cheaper to be submitted to insurance. That's right. And it's twofold data. You know, the clinic data is important, but also our employee absences and absenteeism and the amount of time our employees are taking off to attend to medical appointments is also data that we're going to be collecting kind of running concurrently to make sure that

046we're addressing a holistic need. Do employees of the district uh receive a wellness incentive? They do. They do. Okay. And then they can do the biometric screening at the Okay. That's right. So when you said we're giving kind of this chunk to SSM to do the hiring that they're not our employees, we don't hire them and what sort of feedback loop is there because they're here s you know in service of our staff in terms of conversations about who those staff are and feedback evaluation like just all of that. Yeah. So SSM has shared and we've seen it with their other clinics that there's going to be a very tight relationship with the clinic providers and either me or Sydney PR wellness coordinator we have to figure that out. Um they also would like our

047feedback in the hiring process. So we get to have a voice in the hiring process and then we're going to be building quick relationships with them so that we're in constant contact. To Jo Joe's point, I was thinking, is this kind of a non-starter if you were to cap, say they hired a behavioral health professional at $50,000 a year when this is baked in to for us to pay 75, would it be an issue to say if you're able to hire someone at a lower cost than they've committed to pay you above this percentage or dollar amount, we would realize the savings? It's definitely a followup that we will have it done tomorrow morning because I think that's an important I mean I I negotiate contracts like this a lot and often what it says

048is actual staffing costs for salaries and benefits not to exceed this amount. Um, and you know, we can try and push back and see if they'll if they actually think that's what it's going to cost them, then they won't have any problems because any savings from that could be used to potentially, you know, set aside for expansion if this is widely accessible. a lot of people. I I think when it comes to the contract, the thing like I don't feel great about this, but the thing that makes me feel better is there's a 90-day no cost termination. So, if we get to a point that we go we do this for a year, we realize the savings we we are getting is not anywhere close to the expense, we can we can get out. So,

049even though we're going in, this is a three-year contract, that clause is in existence. Okay, that's the part I'm kind of right, we have the contract in front of us, I don't have the legal ease, I don't have the frame to really read and understand. And so there I just that's always hard admittedly as a board member to it's all in front of me and what questions to ask, what pieces. I do admittedly kind of struggle with that. Um, you know, I appreciate the summary you've given us and I'm just trying to figure out what what am I what am I not asking again just because I feel that trepidation. I don't know why. And obviously we've been in favor of this. We've done the steps to get here which you reiterated. Um I I

050mean I think another piece I'm just if asked can you just talk more about like that dollar amount that sits there that 650,000 how does that situate with us just budgetarily? Sure. Um, so if we go back to when we signed with D, we actually had a fairly large budgetary savings from that health insurance plan. This feeds into it, but it still is holistically less than the contract renewal we would have had with the GHC. Ah, okay. That's that helps me just understand the pots and the moving of the money piece because right I see that dollar amount and I would be thinking oh and now we're just coming up with $1,000 out of our operating budget or whatever. That helps immensely to understand that change as well. Was it a 1.7 million increase way

051off if we would have gone stuck with the That's correct. Jesus about $1 million cost. Yeah. And um if you go back to any of our more recent budget presentations by Chad, this was actually built in a little bit. So we don't have to do another budget amendment. This was already built in. Well, I appreciate you thinking out of the box for the benefit of our staff. So, and I also appreciate you giving time for us to kind of catch up to the innovations. We are so excited you're innovating. Hold on. Wait a minute. So um you know this is this is new and it is it I think it has the potential to be very exciting. So um it's just again all of these unknown there's like feels like a lot of unknown in

052the school realm and now this you know feels like a whole different sphere of of knowledge. So but I do see you know the the benefit to our staff um and then ultimately to us as a district. So it's just a big number to kind of wrap our heads around. So I just this is not an area that I live in normally. So I'm not I'm just wanting to understand again I think I've said this before. So the way that I'm thinking about this is, you know, we're going to build this thing. We're going to pay for the staffing at it. we're going to pay this, you know, $650,000 and then after a year whatever we come up for an adjustment that's already set in the contract though the like the we have a threeyear

053not to exceed not to exceed but they can come to us and say this is what it is and we should be able to look at like we know our clinic's utilization rate and we should be able to see like our claims rate on them. So, we should be able to see like if our claims went down by $650,000, then this was worthwhile. But now, if our premiums don't go down by that, they're capturing more of the benefit, right? Potentially. And that goes back to Corb's like what is this? What is the secret calculation behind the scenes, right? You can't always see in the future with preeie babies or cancer diagnosis or a new and upcoming biomedical, you know, prescription. And so it's hard to future date it because we don't know the medical conditions

054that are going to hit our claims. So we can't say our rates are going to be $650,000 lower because we don't know what medical conditions might hit us in the next 12 months. But we'll be have a year we'll be able to look back and say, you know, we had this much less in claims go through and this much utilization. So like theoretically, if we were negotiating contract in like an actual fair market, we'd be able to say, well, we're going to tie our renewal rates to the utilization of this clinic as well, where we get prrated. But that's not how this industry works, obviously. Um, I like this. I can see the value in it. It just never ceases to amaze me like how much insurance companies have by the short hairs. So, um,

055one one question uh around um and I sorry uh I've experienced the cost savings as a user of a similar system. So, I get that. But I just um what have you heard from VA in regards to questions, concerns or support? Yeah, full support along the way. Now we we started having some conversations with EA and VESA just with handbook updates and one primary question from VESA was how many people can access the clinic? A lot of support with this for a variety of reasons. Okay. All right. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Do you want to keep proverating because we do have the vote officially on coming up. I understand all of our lingering sentiments as we move into this. Um we will move through our agenda

056to public comment. Um I do have one inerson comment tonight. Myia Price, you want to come up and share? Thank you for being here. Hello. Hi. So, I'm start with a positive first before I go into the negative. Um, first I just want to say I appreciate Ron School District. My kids been in this district for three years and they have done a lot of growing academically. I have met some positive principles and staff that has been genuinely authentic and has like went above and beyond to make sure all my kids are thriving and succeeding. Um, big shout out to uh, Stoner Berry and Sugar Creek Princ. That mean I also met Sugar Creek by the way. Like the to serve such a big school and to personally call a parent and say, "Hey, your

057kid is doing so good." That mean a lot as a mom, especially working in education. Um, to pour in so much education to other kids to make sure that they thriving, to help them navigate the systems to make sure they don't get lost. Um, I think that's why I'm here tonight. It's like to for your kid to get caught in the system when you pour in so many other kids. U when we talk about partnership, partnership between schools and um families, the family has to buy in. I was bought in with Verona School District. Like I trusted this district. Um also like I do got a potty mouth. So like I could be very intimidating when I'm advocating for my kid. But I say I notice I only get frustrated when I'm not getting that

058partnership. Like I come at night, I come to parent meetings, I come to barrenness, uh not identifying my kids culture, concerts and sit there to support my kids. Um I even call like if I hear things like ear hustling on my kids a potential could be a fight in you guys reference room that partnership even breaking my kids trust like hey watch your lunchroom potential be a fight. Um the piece for me is my kid miss the 100 days of school. I've been a parent teacher conference meetings. I show up. I dropped by and the not to even be uh like even hold me accountable as a parent like give me a a chance. I should be called in for right at some point um just to find out that they didn't have the right

059apartment. I'm human. I'm a mom. I'm in school. I work two jobs. And again, I do so much like in this community that I I shouldn't feel that partnership. And at first, I was going to wait and I'm still going to wait like to get to the right people to get like how do we u make sure that this is for all families. Um especially like a lot of families don't know how to um communicate for their kids. But I mean the harm though like how harmful is that to be in a district where a kid is missed and not been caught or to say, "Oh, I was waiting on you should know how school or you should have got a letter." We are human. We not go a call. Um people make time for

060what they want. Like y'all making time for this hour uh insurance thing that y'all want to see. Like people is dedicated and make time for what they want. So I hope moving forward when we talk about policies and board members that we are making sure we're talking about all families and what does that look feel like cuz my kids deserve to be here too. So thank you. Thank you. Lori, any other comments this this evening that I may have missed? Okay. Thank you. All right, moving then to board action. So, we do officially have the vote then on the SSM Dean Medical Group contract. Um, any further discussion, wonderings? So, we have the full contract presented. We'd have have the information. So, the vote would be to approve the contract then as presented. I really

061liked uh Joe's comment about the not to receive clause when it comes to staffing benefits. Actually, I second that. And I'm trying to remind myself too with my uncertainties of just doing something so new of really hopefully trying to anticipate the staff experience with this that if this can really be a game changer for our staff. That's the piece I'm staying most hopeful about and that I guess that risk feels appropriate if that's really kind of what's being elevated behind this. And also the fact that it's been very successful in other districts, right? We're not chartering unknown waters entirely. New for us, but not yet. I would say just the communication is going to be around how we engage. This is new new cultural experience that we're putting in our community. So, there's going to

062be some changes changes in what you're thinking about first. And I know Michelle talked when we did have the discussion, not to put words in your mouth, but I remember when we talked about just changing insurance carriers about like the insurance road show and making sure, right, that staff feel that direct insight into what these changes are and hopefully no one understand what this would mean. One of the concerns that I would have just and I know um we do a great job in communicating with our our community, our taxpayers understand this is not an additional draw on them. this is ultimately um in service of a lower premium that we've been negotiated. So I think there's going to need to be just good communication with our community and our taxpayers to recognize um I

063think that's health care and insurance costs are tricky. Mhm. And I think just for for folks to know and understand, being an educator makes access to healthcare challenging, right? For the most part, the school day is a really tough position to be in because you're either out of your role and away from your students, needing to try to find sub coverage, the cost to a district with that. I think the layers and complexities of being in education. Um that part I'm feeling very hopeful that we improve ways for our folks to access easily from the proximity of a work space, right? Um because I just having lived that life, that's really a challenging spot to be in when you're in education. So I'm hopeful about that as well. Is anyone ready to make a motion

064to approve the contract as presented? Thank you on Carlos. And there's certainly space for more discussion with the Yeah. Would that be an an amendment? How would we phrase that language, Joe, to just um acknowledge what you shared about the not to exceed Yeah, I guess it would just be I don't know is it a conditional approval on accept like does this mean if they don't agree to that language they have to bring it back to us? Yes. Is that what's being discussed? I think I I think um I wouldn't make it necessarily a conditional approval so much so as a a strongly requested term. Um Joe, what do you think? Yeah. I mean, I guess it's a procedural question for the Buffalo board. Like, are we actually voting on something or are we saying

065we want this? Right. That's Yeah, I think there's a sentiment piece there of what what do we want? Do we want that to be conditional? We're taking the pause because that was a piece. Yeah. Thank you. Are we saying this is something that we would like to have introduced or that we require to be introduced? Which one as a board say I would I know I'm looking at Corp and Joe just like your insights and yeah being world a little bit I see names coming but okay thank you see what he says I don't I have my thoughts would you like permission to approach just kidding so you guys can vote to approve the contract as presented You can vote to approve the contract as presented but direct administration to pursue that additional clause as

066well or you can vote to table this and come back which was going to be something I was wondering just with anyone's yeah John I just was um talking over here and right that's yeah I would be curious about the timeline um I would also suggest that approving it with a suggestion that we want to go back in a public setting. I know that's I I'm personally am inclined to say no, I'm not comfortable until I get this um language of that. But I'm also curious. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Is it more of an affirmation if that is the understanding of the contract language and versus art like it's not clear on how it's clearly written? For me, I don't know. I think it's pretty clear. Um it's it's clearly written as a fixed

067cost um when they haven't hired the people in the position yet. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they pay their people a lot more. Can you explain your nodding? I just just because again this is helping me kind of Yes. Not to put you on the spot, but I just see you nodding. So like what Joe, I think, is getting at is is what John just got at. unfortunately that that we want we want to address that fixed cost before we approve the contract. Okay. So then is there a motion language that's But what's easy? What? Okay. It's not as simple as just tableing us right now. Oh, tell us more. should have never went and sat down. Um, so I'd like to put in just a piece about the timeline if we table it and

068then bring it back. Um, so every day or every week or every two weeks that we pause on signing this contract is two more weeks that we have to push out the clinic. And our goal was to have it live in August or September or even early October so that we could ensure that staff start seeing them right away at the beginning of the school year which coincides to our wellness um voluntary wellness program. Physicals are due by November 15th. And we we can't move forward with posting and hiring or the buildout for Epic or any of those pieces until this contract is signed. And the biggest part is actually Epic, the Epic buildout takes the longest amount of time out of all of this. And and so if we think about pushing the contract

069out, we also know we're pushing out the opening of the clinic by by weeks potentially. Is that what they're saying? They needed 3 and 1/2 months buildup process. That's correct. The epic hookup, oddly enough, takes a very long time. Do we have any ability to like look at what their actual costs are? Like, you know, when I when I want to come back to this in a year or two or three years to evaluate like was this a good deal? Is it an effective thing um for our district? Um, you know, by and large, I think I can get most of the numbers that will help me make that decision, but like one of them would be like, okay, if we're agreeing to this as a fixed cost, uh, you know, can do we have

070the right to look at data, like how much that actually costs you, like is there profit margin in addition to the $150,000 administrative cost that's there? That's also for them. Um, yeah, there's there's language in the contract for us to get a report for that. Okay. So, that could be something we come back at this time next year when we start getting the data and look at utilization and salaries and benefits of the the cost of the contract to determine then if we want to do the 90-day buyout in a year. So, I will say that this seems to me to be such a valuable improvement in supplying care for our staff and potentially limiting costs later, but it is still a gamble that I'm comfortable with it. But I would expect and this is

071the part that I'll say I would expect that if we are entering in partnership with them both as an insurance provider but now also as the healthcare provider for this clinic that um you know we're taking on all the costs to do this upfront with the hope that our premiums will be lesser down the line. and that it's entirely possible they could say, "Well, your premiums could have been this unrealistic number, but you've saved all this money and it's actually just a realistic number." And um and that's just a game to be played. But I would expect that like, you know, rephrasing that bit of language would be, you know, an act of good partnership on their part. But I understand the need not to hold it up at the board level, so I'm fine

072with it. But it's a it's a three-year renewal or option to renewal, but annually there's a 90-day opt out. Anytime anytime anytime anytime there's your There's our safety, right? Right. Except we're putting all the money into the construction a huge expense already. But then in theory, we could partner with someone else, right? We have the clinic. It's our clinic. We could so it isn't necessar it doesn't rely on this contract to have a clinic. This is our initial partnership. But it would be three years if that fixed cost becomes a sticking point. It's three years of that fixed cost. It is but we also built into the contract every year when we look at that 5% that if it it's not a cash cow for them. If it's if we're running lower our 5% should

073be reduced to 0% or 1% or more. I appreciate the timeline. I'm trying to focus. Yeah, this I mean this is super helpful discussion. I know it's added time, but this is really beneficial. So, we had a motion that got retracted. Well, I would say uncomfortable workers in the island, but can we still ask if they would consider limit? Yeah, I think that was where we were. Wasn't say yes. It's We already approved it. It's amended. We got the 90 days to retract anyway. Yeah. No, no foul. Yes. So, would you like to re restate a motion then? Yeah. Okay. Okay. How do I restate motion? Exactly. Go for it. Okay. Oh, are you sure? Okay. And if you need input, we have help on how to phrase a motion with what we've talked about.

074Yeah. So, how do I phrase that? Oh, we approve with the uh wanting to bring up for consideration that dee amend the contract to reflect a ceiling or Joe. Yeah, how how'd you put it? Uh well, I I think it's just that our preference would be that the staffing cost line item be listed as actual costs of salary and benefits, not to exceed whatever the amount that's in there is, 450 or whatever it was that Okay, I think I took a note that sort of reflected that general language. Okay. So, we have a motion to approve the contract with the amendment about the staff line item in particular. And there is a second from Christopher. Any further discussion or questions? All those in favor of approving the motion to approve the con the site clinic

075contract as amended signify with I. I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Contract is approved. let us know how that added piece goes. Thank you both for the added time. Yeah, this again new landscape for I think lots of us. Thank you. Okay, where are we on the agenda? We're doing some results. R2.3 moving on to monitoring technology technologically fluent results. board members. Hope you had your kind of checklist. We'll debrief that then after we go through our monitoring and hearing from the team. Welcome Jason. Hi Amy. I think I don't I don't know. Oh, yeah. Why they go? I mean, we still have a quorum. Okay. So, we're going to keep moving. I didn't call a pause. Okay. Okay. Well, good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight. We're excited to share the

076good work of Jason and his team with R2.3 in terms of technologically fluent and our goal for students in that regard. We're also excited because we've used this opportunity to try to take some of your feedback from previous board workshops about how we can restructure monitoring reports and our presentations to make sure that um you'll notice in the monitoring report tonight we have some different slightly different formatting to call out and try to really highlight some of the areas that you'd asked for in terms of summaries, leadership moves, as well as providing multiple sources of data. So, you'll also like the women from our presentation tonight, we have more data and more sources of evidence so that the board is able to make sense of what that data looks like. Um, that being said, for

077this for the sake of time, we likely won't go through every single pie chart that you see in there. But at least you have access to that data should you choose to want to dive further into it or if you have questions about it. have just known if we're going through the slides at a more rapid pace because we want to provide you with a wealth of data but talk to you some some key highlights and we'll be interested in your feedback and how this process worked or how we can continue to improve it as well as your debrief of the content. So with that we'll turn it over to Jason for R 2.3. Thank you. Um so R2.3 uh which is technologically fluent uh when we're looking at R2.3 all three indicators for R2.3

078uh demonstrate achieving reasonable progress with increase in hotspots and increase in student survey responses uh regarding access to digital learning opportunities and then overall alignment providing professional learning aligned to the DPI digital learning plan. Um and uh with this uh you know obviously up there when it comes to technologically fluent uh you know being able to not only uh liberate enumerate but also you know having our students and staff being able to achieve uh their goals surrounding technology. Um and up here I have the interpretation and uh I I love this picture and anytime I can include it. Uh this was the first opportunity we had with hiring some of our high schoolers uh for our summer Chromebook uh roll out. Uh and we're having the opportunity again this summer. Uh we hired three for

079our Wi-Fi refresh uh that is uh starting in the next few weeks. So we're super excited about that. Uh some of the interpretation of terms uh as you can see up there and some other amazing pictures as well doing some robotics. And as we get to indicator one, uh increased availability of internet hotspots for families that do not have access uh to internet at home. Uh as you can see, we have uh met them and you can see right now we're at 43 total hotspots currently out to families. Uh this is 16 more uh hotspots than last year. Um these are always out on a basis of need. Uh so the process is actually they reach out uh to a school counselor or social worker um and they meet and then the school social worker

080will actually fill out the form that then goes to my team and then we get those set up and then sent out to the sites. Um just a reminder though uh you know when we made this um this is now year three. Um this was you know obviously right after co um you know making sure that we're providing those hotspots to our students in need. Um even though we're still going to be providing this you know obviously our focus though just with my last time I presented here um you know is really focusing on uh strengthening our fiber network here uh in a variety of ways not just refreshing the network but obviously with the Wi-Fi project uh with our fiber project uh which is actually on the way as well this summer. So lot

081happening when it comes to wireless within our network. So, and when looking at indicator 2, um, as well, increasing percentage of students identifying access to digital opportunities as measured by the technology survey. Um, so with this, uh, we had students surveyed and when we're looking at this, we had 42.14% of students say they had more opportunities than last year and 49.7% of students say they said they had the same amount of, uh, opportunities. So, um, when we're looking at that compared to last year, um, going from 31.5% who said they had more and 62.3% who said they had the same. So, um, happy to see, you know, that percentage saying that they had more opportunities jumping up from that 31.5 to that 42.14%. Um, which was really happy to see. And obviously there's there's a

082lot of things that my team does, but a lot of amazing things that the entire school district does as well when it comes to technology. And uh just when it comes to the bio charts, I tried to make last year slightly dimmer. So just a heads up, but that's why it was a little bit dimmer when you're looking at those. But um you can just see all the numbers there as well with all of these. And some of the things uh that we did uh for our students uh obviously with the Chromebooks uh which was was huge uh bringing those uh we brought uh a uh paid typing program to our uh students in grades 2 through eight. Um and I'm happy to say it's definitely being utilized um especially at uh our middle school

083sites uh at those morning advisory times. Uh in total we've had students use it for 259 total days allocated. So this is not, you know, oh, they touched it for 259 days. That's 259 times 24 hours. So very happy to see that it's being used that much. Um, and then another big thing too is, you know, uh, when it comes to getting the devices back in the hands of our students, uh, you know, we went from having iPads where, you know, getting a headphone jack broken in there meant we sent it out. Um, and on average it was just over 16 and a half days before the student would get their actual device back. Meaning they were with a loner that was different. Apps weren't all the same. Uh, to where now we do self-repair.

084And right now uh we are getting a student their device back uh just under one and a half days. Uh, which we're very happy about. Um, and that includes sometimes even having to send it to central office for a little bit of a I call it tier 2 supports from uh uh Darius Simmons who does all those repairs down there. So, um, but like I said, we're going to be continuing that for next year to make sure that not only are those opportunities there for students, but we're getting those devices back in our students hands so that they have their device, not a spare one, uh, for the least amount of time. And uh obviously some of the other things, the robotics that are happening in our district and then obviously the 3D modeling uh

085just some of the things I touched upon. Uh if you go all throughout our elementary, middle school, high school sites, uh those are just some of the things you'll see. Uh but there's I mean amazing opportunities that are happening in all three levels uh throughout all of our sites. And then indicator three, um this is the only one uh that just as a reminder there is not an increase to it. Um this one is just establishing that there are digital learning opportunities. Um and we are looking at the DPI digital learning plan. Um and when it comes to these, we've always used the same five questions that we go and uh survey our staff and students with. And a couple of those I really want to highlight are actually the first two uh which is

086no matter what your role, do you feel you could teach our students uh about digital citizenship. Um you know when when it comes to this this is such a um important thing just because obviously we our students have these digital tools uh all the time now and uh at such an early age we're seeing you know cell phones in pockets. we're seeing cell phones on wrists um and you know being able to just know um you know teaching them the right ways in order to use those and and making sure that um that not only it's just not just their teachers, it's the their librarians, their family, their friends. Um and that's why when we ask the students too about this question, you know, who who's talking to you about these things, we put multiple

087answer choices from there. And it was good to see that it wasn't it's great to say it was their teacher, but it's good to see that there was multiple people who were talking to them about these uh different things surrounding digital citizenship. But uh you can see obviously when it comes to the chart um you know when asked uh it was almost identical to where we were last year um that 88.4% last year um you know do you feel you could teach our students about digital citizenship? Uh and then this year we had more responses but it was at 87.2%. So nearly identical to where we were last year with that and some of the resources, you know, the six areas. I just wanted to make sure we put those up there. And then like

088I said, when we ask students, as I said, uh, you know, they're saying their teachers, their parents, their principles. Uh, this is not something that's just one person. It really is that community effort um that goes into this. And um, and this is something that we plan on expanding uh, next year and it'll be something I talk about uh, the very end of the presentation. So uh and then lastly something I'm or the next thing um something I'm really just proud about is the efforts that we made with some of our cyber security initiatives. Um you know do you feel the information on cyber security and strategies shared with you um have helped you secure your life both uh at and outside of school. This is something that you know my job is not just

089protecting them here but also trying to help them in ways that can protect uh outside of school. And last year uh we were at 90.9% which I was just floored with like the fact that that many staff felt um and now this year 91.7%. So it still was increasing even from last year. And one thing that we wanted to make sure as well is well let's take big picture and let's look at the last five years. And when I started in the district in 22 23 um you know we had an average fish rate and you want to be lower uh 15%. Um and you can see as we've gone through um that fish rate percentages went down. Um and I would say that actually with uh my my co-pilot Dan who you got to

090meet with the fiber project. He's made them even harder. So we're making harder fish campaigns but our numbers are still going down which is really good to see. And we actually just recently had our lowest fish percentage at 5% with our most recent one. I just pause Jason for a second. Uh just want to read to our because I got this question from our community as well. a lot about cyber security and things the regional house nation and the nation in terms of cyber attacks and what this what the department has done in terms of the intentional training and methodologies as they go through to make sure each staff is has a keen eye to these fish and traps that we all kind of get I think we have to sort of pride ourselves of

091making sure that we can get to the team recognize them and put them out there but when you see the data that supports each year each of it going down and then month by month this year uh then going significantly down as well. I think that is something to be elevated as kind of a clear problem root strategies through leadership and then some some of the outcomes and just want a broader message to our community around yes this is the effect these are the these are the techniques that we're using to there's no such thing as prevent but just try to make sure that we are best positioned to not help. So I give a shout out to Jason and his team for that. Thank you. Can I just add a parallel question? And I

092know there's another slide about the fishing campaigns, but how much of that extends to students? You know, how much risk is there with student email accounts and how much of because I know it's all the focus tends to be the stack conversations that we hear, but I'm just curious from that lens of dig, you know, digital citizenship risk with student accounts. Not not as much. Um, you know, just because with the actual information that's tied to those accounts, the information is they're not getting information there. Um, but there are going to be some things that we're doing next year that are going to um I think educate our students more on those things. Um, and strengthen uh just when it comes to the best thing you can do is strengthen your password, right? And the

093length of it. Um, so we're going to be making some initiatives for next year along with that. Um, but then like I said, the other big thing is going to be surrounding um, even just some of the opportunities that they'll have surrounding that as well. But when it comes to the data that's tied to it, that's where, you know, they might get access, but what are they getting access to? It's just not there's just not as much stuff there. So, um, so some of the things as well, you can see, uh, this is our newsletter that goes out every month. Um, I I actually, uh, I always get a thank you about the jokes. I always thought they were corny, but a lot of people seem to like my jokes, my comments. That's what I

094scrolled to immediately. There we go. There we go. Um, another big thing we did, uh, we upgraded our endpoint detection, uh, to where we added all devices. So, not just our Windows and, um, um, our Windows and servers, but now our Macs had endpoint detection, but not uh to the extreme that our Windows and servers do. Now, every single uh staff device has uh the top of the line that we could get when it came to uh Sentinel One. Um and so very proud of that. And then another thing we we started doing this year, we expanded our fishing campaigns uh with kind of gamifying it. Um, so now staff uh by clicking the little red fish to report it during the fishing campaigns, their name is automatically entered into a contest uh that then

095they have the opportunity to win uh prizes uh from Swedish fish to uh you can see right here a fun sticker that uh me and Dan made with AI of it's a fishing sticker with us. It says didn't get fished by Jason and Dan. That's been a a hit. Uh and then we even have shirts as well uh that the grand prize winner will get. Uh so uh expanding that uh this year and then we're going to uh actually have more opportunities with it next year. So it's it's been good just because a lot of times you know people get hit with fishing campaigns and they go oh another one if you gify it you know it's it's it makes it a little bit exciting and it actually you know I get people telling me

096they'll email me afterwards and go ah I hit the red fish and it told me it was a fishing campaign. So they they're getting excited and you know it's it's it's good just because it's it's making them more aware and I've had people tell me about these things that have happened in their personal lives as well and how it's helped them catch things that were fishing attempts as well. So um so going through uh when it comes to the you know adequate technology professional development and seeing what those at um you know obviously I have my charts uh and everyone can see the charts here but I'm going to just advance to the next slide just because it has kind of that summary of all the charts um so actually just want when it came

097to the uh adequate amount of technology professional development uh the amount of staff that agreed obviously you know that had went up slightly. Um and then strongly agreed was right a little bit below. So kind of did right around that same amount as last year as well. Um you know some of the things we we've done with that obviously we had our Chromebook PD. This was actually for staff and students. Uh for staff, we had professional development at the end of last year uh just to get them ready for it going into the summer so that that you know going in they felt a little bit uh calmer just because it was a new device for students. Um and then at the beginning of the year we had Chromebook training for staff again and our

098students as well. Uh which was funny to see because when I was walking through hallways, students like I know you from somewhere and it was the videos that I made in the beginning of the year surrounding Chromebooks. And that's a little uh uh gif you could see at the top right uh that came from it. So um we still do our monthly edtech uh PD as well. Um and we had some uh uh virtual PD for staff uh surrounding Google meets uh which we had moved to this year as well. Um and some other opportunities. Uh we had our summer lunch and learns as well this past summer which was kind of a big hit for our 12 month staff which is something we continued from the year previous. uh feeling confident managing uh students

099when using technology. Once again, right around those same amounts as well. Um you know, when it when we're looking at overall strongly agree and agree, it did slightly go down by that 3.3% but uh when we're looking at this, they had a new student device. Um they also went with a new filtering and classroom device as well. Uh you know, going from Apple classroom to GoG Guardian classroom. Um, and so kind of going through all those, I'm really hopeful that with next year now that they're a little bit more used to the Chromebooks, used to go and teacher um, and those tools that this will help with that for next year as well. And that comfortable, um, those numbers will go up a little bit more. And then lastly, being able to create my own

100personal goals surrounding uh, technology. Um with this once again right around the same where they were that that previous year um with those numbers as well. Um you know with this you know when we were looking at this the difference between last year and this year it the difference was 01% overall. So very very slight difference. Uh we did do similar to last year. We had our check bites uh and we had our swag bags which actually uh I haven't announced them yet but we uh I just did the wheel of names today to uh to get some of our winners for those um and then we will be delivering those to the winners uh this week and uh it's just something that we like to do to kind of you know have staff go

101talk about the ways that they've used some edtech tools uh and that helped them and then also give us some things that they'd like us to cover uh you know for for uh next year and things to get ready for. So, it's not only a way for us to learn more about what they want, but also just to kind of hear what they're using. And uh this year, not surprising, is AI and actually Canva. Canvas always seems to be a big hit among staff. So, they're very creative. And our plans for uh this upcoming year, um obviously continue to refining the work we're doing. Um you know, looking at what's what's working and how can we make it better. Uh, one thing we've already looked at is, you know, how can we go and make

102our response times better with our our ticketing system. So, my team has already been working and looking at how can we go and make it so that when staff are filling out help desk tickets that it's a smoother process for them so that it goes to the right person quicker so we're not having to redirect them as much. Um, when it comes to cyber security, as I said, looking at strengthening student passwords, that's going to be something that's going to be new for our students this year. Um, and then also, uh, with our students starting in sixth grade, giving them the opportunity to actually have a little control over their passwords as well when it comes to changing what their password is. Um, so if they want it to be stronger, they can. Um, expanding

103that gamification like I talked about when it comes to um, not only just the cyber security stuff, but actually some of the edte stuff as well. Um, and then when it comes to some of the cyber security, we're going to actually go and start looking at some log retention stuff. Um, so kind of taking what we've already done and now trying to add a little bit more to it just to kind of make sure that things are even more secure with those logs and you know having something using AI to kind of scan those just to make sure that you know while we're having everything look at endpoints. Let's also have those logs that are sitting there and have it both do scan those and look for any irregularities as well. Um, just to kind

104of cover all of our bases. Um once again expanding our work with PD um and kind connecting it with the strategic framework and the big thing we want to expand on for next year is artificial intelligence with our staff and tying that actually with some student stuff as well um and making sure that it's done in a way that um we they call it the wald and garden approach when it comes to AI uh so that it's it's safe for our students. Uh and then also this is something we've started working with or started already but working with our LMC uh with digital citizenship and actually trying to expand that so that we can actually reach more of our students um at school but then also um when it comes to reaching homes uh this

105is where I'm going to try and make that connection more with with families at home with sending resources through the monthly newsletter through the district newsletter um for different grade levels some resources that they can use at home as Um, and just really trying to get that digital citizenship message out there. Okay, there's a lot of stuff. That's a lot. Really very passionate and excited about the work as well as the progress that we're seeing. I know people who have earned their fishing t-shirts and are proud to wear this. So, this we'll open it up for any questions that you may have. I have a question about indicator one about the hot spots. Um, one of the observations I've been making as my own kids kind of navigate their school journey is once they get

106to the middle and high school level, like how dependent their learning is on um on devices and having internet access both in school and at home. And I I thought it was interesting and I don't have any recollection of when we talked about this, but how we worded the indicator that it's not increasing the number of hotspots we give out, but increasing the availability of it. So, I'm wondering if you can speak to how what we do to either push those out to people who need it or identify people who might need it or advertise that this is something we offer because I mean I know that on the registration process you have to answer questions that indicate you know um whether you have reliable internet at home. Uh, and I know I've seen it

107in the newsletter, but if we're relying too much on internetbased communication to find out about your internet access, we're stuck in a loop. Yeah. So, couple different ways. Um, and this is why we rely so heavily on, you know, our social workers and it because they really are our are ones that are talking with the students, talking with the families, and a lot of times they will actually come to me and email me. Um, and it it really is not someone reaching out to me asking for a hot spot like a family. It is I I get a form that is filled out by them and there was no conversation with the family directly to anyone on my tech team. It's a conversation that they had either with a student or with the family, whether

108it was a um it could have been a recent change, right, to a situation or a discovery that was made and they go and they have access to the form at all times. They went and filled it out and then that lets my team know, all right, we need to get this filled out. It lets us know the student name, who filled it out. Um, we immediately get every week I have a a calendar thing letting me know, all right, I need to check how many hotspots we have on hand. So, I make sure that I always have at least one ready to go. Um, and then Darius goes, he gets it set up and then whoever put the request in, he goes and gets that right to them. So, then they can get that

109to the family. Um, but then we've also had other ways as well. Um, most recently I had um a teacher reach out to me uh about a situation that that came to her. Um, and so then I instructed her to reach out to her school social worker and then gave them, you know, the person's name. Hey, please reach out to them. They will fill out the form. And less than a week later, I got a hotspot request. So, it's it's based on like situations like that. But it's I I get to what you're saying. It's kind of like if I'm sending an email out asking, "Do you have internet?" It's right. It's it's sending a boomerang and not expecting it to come back and hit me in the face. Right. And this my follow-up question

110is out of your realm, so it's okay if you don't have an answer, but I'm curious considering we're kind of relying rightfully I think on the social workers who are kind of having those contacts with families to identify situations. But I'd be curious if that's something that they inquire about in all family, you know, touch points or if they only or if it only comes up because the purpose of the interaction has to do with school work or internet or anything like that because I I think there there may be more we can do to identify people who have a need for this that maybe are either off our radar or isn't, you know, falling within our net. But um I think this is a really good thing that we do and I think we

111should advertise. So let me um this is the part where we question everybody, right? Because I've definitely got discussion items for later when we discuss things. My question here is about like I think a lot of this stuff is great. This is wonderful. My question is for like all admin like a lot of this feels operational to me. Um and my thought is that we maybe didn't give good guidance in this particular results policy as a board. To me, this is an example of one that the board really needs to rethink about because like a results policy would say something more about like um you know are how are students learning to like be healthy in digital environments? How are they learning to use digital tools? You know, the the uh professional development stuff with

112the teachers that feels more resultsoriented to me. the hotspots. Um, you know, I think there are really good questions to be asked there about what our role and responsibilities are in terms of providing access. Um, and some of that might get to a results question or or policy. Um, but I'm not sure particularly, you know, as the report indicates, we're kind of focusing more on our fiber network. That's definitely an operational shift. Um, so I, you know, first I just want to say I love what you're doing with the cyber security stuff. There's clearly a place in the operational expectations where we need to maybe ask better questions about that. Probably around like 7.5 um or something like that. But yeah, I just let me just put it this way. I feel like you're doing

113such a good job that I want to ask different questions now. Yeah. So, I would agree with John because there's so much great stuff that's embedded in here. just like what the robotics clubs and I just like how you you know reference like second grade they think turning the colors you know now there are hackers you know but they like there's so much growth and there's so much really cool stuff and I think we've like we've witnessed that really cool stuff and I think where I keep getting hung up is like when the board had a voice in this we you know have indicators that are not focusing on the things that you're doing to advance students learning because you are doing so much of that And so that's what I you know it's great

114to pull that that out and I think we've bogged you down with indicators that are like operational instead of results. So this is again I think highlighting the discussion that we've had as a board that we need to be making sure that results are really results and operations are really operations and this is the mixed message that we're giving you know to you but you're still coming back with great student outcomes. um just you're answering the questions we asked. We just need to refine our questions. And I think a great example of this is like when we sat down and thought of this or thought tried to think about this, there was no AI and now you're talking about AI and how the district's adopting it and that's moving faster than anybody and like so

115it's really something we should just have AI. Yeah, I think I think to add to that um if we were to refine what what we're looking for in regards to the results, I think, uh things that are becoming apparent that we know about you know the intersection of mental health and how uh how much we've used computers versus especially after the pandemic quote unquote that um our social interactions have been become so dependent on our use. So, I think there's so many different ways that we can think about that and how we're prepping our student body to really think about uh those pieces, but then also prepping them for the new technologies that are coming that we haven't thought of yet. And so, are there ways to look atmies or other ways of prepping students

116for that next job uh sector that might be, you know, AI related or related? I don't know. Like one of the takeaways from this will be you know as we go out and they're talking to people the key thing that we're hiring our students to go out and do this. I love that you know that that's how we're integrating they're so good at this. They're actually employing them to help roll things out. So these are great uh great results and I appreciate so much of what you do is um I mean it's operational and its results inherently intertwined in some ways um but I really feel like our kids are getting um really top-notch access. So thank you. something I was thinking about right because the I mean the results policy does stay state the

117student experience right to safely access I mean the vermage elevates students which is what we're doing with results but I do find I was really sitting with this as you were sharing right these things that I realized when we get the chance to actually dialogue and not just read in isolation there's so much being shared about the staff experience but I feel with like technology that there's so interconnected because staff are the facilitators of what we need students to know and understand about use of digital media and sources so I It's so interesting to spend that time thinking about staff learning, but I do feel they're so interconnected in this type of realm that's different than others. You know, we hear about PD for the new curriculum for social studies and ELA, but that's kind

118of more of a sidecar where this is so elevated. Um, you know, digital natives versus maybe not digital natives. And kind of to that point too, I really was drawn to slide 35 where it showed the six core topics of digital citizenship because that's something I think we've talked about is what is the role of the school? Is it to teach how to use the technology? Because I don't always think the kids need our help with that, but it's all of that stuff. And so this is where I was like, wow, these things pulling, you know, making, you know, whatever it is that you all are seeing from a curricular standpoint and the lived experience of students is with some of these things. I'm excited about that aspect as well that we're hearing pieces of

119and how can that become more of this results piece again like where does the information sort of land and share because it's so fabulous to hear and that I'm really excited about. Pulling off of that I think there's a you just that information on that same slide about asking students who have they you know who have you talked to about being safe online and we're seeing teachers teachers are a number one resource. I love that's like a great uh piece of information for us to have. I mean that's I mean also if they ask like parents sometimes we have no idea but but I love that like that's a great can I go? Yeah. Yeah, please. Um I'm glad that we're keeping kids safe. Cyber security awesome you know teaching everybody how to responsibly use

120or not fall for fishing. All that's very important. But to Jen's point, I familiar thought that what I feel like I hear a lot of people concerned about is how becoming a digital citizen or being a good digital citizen impacts the classroom. So, we're talking about like the use of technology, how it's impacting your mental health, the levels of distraction that iPad versus Chromebook would be causing at different, you know, K to five, middle school, high school. um how that's impacting learning potentially. Um how are we how can we show the story to parents that we're actually helping teach their kids how to become critical thinkers and creators and then the sense of determining what is valid and good information that I can find that I find in the internet that's trustworthy versus not. I

121feel like I'm hearing a lot of that the community's concerns so it would be helpful related. How can we have show results to answer that call from parents? Are kids distracting, paying attention? Are they really learning how to use this safely to be wellinformed citizens that's going to serve them well outside of school? I think one of Jason and team's next steps that we named um slide 45 just working with our library media is um specialists to think through what are the specialized lessons to actually teach those digital um digital citizenship standards and get back to some of those core practices that you called out that were on the slide. So I think as we do that we certainly would have additional student performance data so to speak around those standards and their mastery of

122those standards that we could bring back if that was a shift in indicators that was made and and that like I think becomes the mirroring of the process right that we kind of talk about the data the things we're interested in seeing and then if you all as a team feel like an indicator needs to shift right those indicators are yours for us to just right to give that nod to but I think we've talked about this like when do you all change indicators if you feel like that's necessary this always feels like an interesting time when we're having this dialogue. You know, if your team whenever, you know, I feel like that can be a fluid process of having those conversations to reflect back on indicators that maybe elevate or readjust based on kind

123of these table conversations. Yeah, I think we've been having that conversation just as a board like what do we do with our policies and this I think you know is if if we are shifting policies then indicators would follow. Um, but with the indicators that we have, I feel like we've gotten such great information that helps us see what indicators we would also want to continue to to capture because there's a lot of really great work. I don't know. I think we just have a policy process that the board has to Yeah. I just I don't think people realize how important those hot spots are. I mean, that that's incredible. I at the start of the pandemic like saying it hasn't but at the start of it I just I can remember and Dr. Clary

124remembers I'm sure um us and another organization just supplying those hotspots so kids could have the ability to participate in asynchronous learning and just having this having the ability to have the district supply families with those hotspots. I I I don't think that's being recognized or applauded enough because some of those companies just simply do not have the means to even have the internet and people take it for granted. So, I just I I really wanted to applaud that because I remember just a few years ago uh scrambling with community- based organizations trying to figure that out like how do we get families how do we supply them with with the infrastructure to be able to participate when their kids couldn't physically be in the building. Yeah, that's a great like I mean I think

125that's like such a key piece, but I would that in operations and that's where the board I think has our work cut out for us to make sure that we've got everything in alignment um before we start asking you to sort and shift. And that's a tough I mean it's always a tough thing too with like creating this too because it's you know there's so many amazing things that our teachers are doing with technology that like when I'm creating like this presentation I I have to be a lot really general right I talk about robotics but then you know you go downstairs the hall and you see the amazing things that they're doing on the first floor but then you know two weeks ago I got invited uh I'll shout out Amy Otis invited me

126to her classroom they were doing some really cool DNA stuff with strawberries and they were using the Chromebooks with microscopes on with a seesaw lesson and I mean the fact that they're using technology in this way with students and like and you know fifth graders and like I was like when I was a fifth and I only knew because I just saw I uncovered Sugar Creek's technology plan from 1993 to 1994 and I was in fourth grade at the time and I looked at their fifth grade standards so it was probably about what I was doing in fifth grade at that time and it said like you know I create a city in Sim City and make it you know like it was like things like that like you know it was like oh my

127god like the fact that they are analyzing DNA like in a class in a 45minute class session the whole thing and she has a class of like 20ome kids doing that it's just amazing and like but that that's one person there's people all over the district doing that on a daily basis and like be able to do that presentation is like I can't you know there's just so many things coming like the Oregon Trail some Right. Exactly. Can I just offer a tangential yet somewhat related comment of the end of the year visits and getting into classrooms. I happened to land in a classroom at Savannah Oaks where students were doing research and I asked how do you know if you're just doing a Google search like what's reputable and the student knew immediately how

128to clarify that as just an example of this. So just as a reminder to the board the power of being able to have those opportunities where we get to go into classrooms and maybe even a shout out to staff members. Occasionally we get invites to the BASD board to come and see cool things happening in classrooms. You know, I'm all in as many things as I can try to attend. So yeah, to be able to get out and see for ourselves, I think also helps the dialogue at this table, which we'll talk about again later. But yeah, thanks. Thank you. Yeah. Any other questions for the team before we kind of draw this into more official than word voting? Okay, get my language. So, we have received and discussed the superintendent's monitoring report for uh

129results policy R2.3 technologically fluent. Um I'll now accept a motion to um accept and approve the report as presented. So, we can just follow through with our vote. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Thank you, Christopher. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Corby. Um any further discussion then as board members in terms of the recommendation that this be deemed achieving reasonable progress. Okay, we have a motion from Christopher and a second from Corby to signify just that. All those in favor of approving R2.3 as achieving reasonable progress signify with I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Moving on to OE8, communicating with and support of the board. Continuing through our slides and here we go. Clicker back in hand. And before we transition, I want to take an opportunity um if you haven't

130got a chance. I think we all have had a chance but I when we acknowledge the work of individual team members um the technology department sometimes go get gives um doesn't get recognized enough in the work that they've done under Jason's leadership and his ability to bring the team together to help with professional development. Uh Jason is a teacher at heart. You know you we try to hire teaching staff in the first but move into the technology world but he keeps that that base of educating and being an educator. So, I just want to give Jason a shout out to him and his team for continuing up and going. I think uh um if you've lost your phone for more than an hour, you know how long you know what technology means to all of

131us because we feel lost and he's doing this for um about a thousand staff members and about 6,000 scholars on the on the daily basis. So, thank you to Jason and his team for everything that they do. Um I want to get move to OE 08 and often on nights when we have both a results policy and an operational expectations policy. I want to reframe the board into the space and much of what uh John and Mayor talked about. There is a really distinction between the two styles. uh in terms of our operations uh they are really in the in the compliance world of did the action take place at the request or for policy of North Board of Education and it's not really followed with a true metric of how it impacted students as

132it's not it's not a resultsbased based policy so we just have to look at it from a different different mindset uh uh OEA is one of our more uh dense ones with with 14 different sections So uh for the sake of that and we I know we know the board has had time to look at and review all the areas but I just wanted to highlight some of the areas and then turn it over to board for for deeper deeper discussion. I'll begin by reframing that what I identify as is as really those key core attributes of OE8 which is um having the board have information in a timely manner especially when it comes to media coverage or uh was actually is a tougher area to determine as when the media will or will not

133decide to run coverage. So we just try to put as much out there in the event that or I mean excuse me that media coverage does does exist. Um, if there is non-compliance in terms of of of any of our policies, we do that through our monitoring reports. Uh, and we make sure that uh communication is is concise and simple in that area. Uh, if there's a need for a for action during a board meeting, working with board leadership to ensure that those are on the agenda. um board business in terms of uh not just spaces but the messaging from uh district administration and the board and somehow and sometimes when those happen uh it coincide or on the same document and then keeping the boards uh the official posting of meetings and make sure

134that we are uh that board members have access to uh information equally uh because there were some adjustments to OE8 date. Uh recently I I thought it'd be best to put some of the 2024 leadership moves that directly coincided with those adjustments to policy and then move into the 2025 leadership moves. So just as a reminder in memory lane that in 2024 uh some of the things that we adjusted were shifting shifting uh to give the board members more insight into each school's instructional practices uh and added that as part of some of the results policy. We the administrative team was uh began the recap of board education regular meetings. So the and that allowed our staff who have shown a lot of appreciation for those recaps to come to life. We know it's a

135a pretty intense process to have those out and also having our president uh review those recaps before they go to the public as part of the process. And then uh the third addition was the writing of the opposite week to make sure that the board had uh additional information the end of the week emails that uh keep the board informed when we don't have board meetings that that week on those opposite weeks. The 2025 moves are predominantly on the technical side, but again we're uh added and I want definitely want to give a shout out to Lori for uh assisting in this work to have more access to cumulative folders so the board could easily find documents and a in a in a in a timely fashion. um and and have those located in a

136library that she uh put together um brought together in in folders and then go to library. Those three areas uh for 2024 25 were uh the recaps are there. So instead of having to go through your emails, all the board recaps are in board docs in the library uh for under board meeting recap. So any not just board members but any community member can can go and find those. The human growth and development committee member uh committee minutes are there in board docs in in their own personal library for the board. Uh the end of the week emails that I just uh mentioned are also part of that uh new technology that our new process of putting them in the library for board members to access. And then most recently uh working with board leadership

137to make on those joint messaging uh we've added uh the new signature line which shows cohesion between the board and district administration when we have that uh signage line with uh President Murphy and myself also with the photo. So the photo that that goes goes along goes along with it. All right. So as we move into the the policy itself, just a reminder that the two most recent policy adjustments that occurred uh last year were that uh an increase that the superintendent uh ensure that the board is appropriately included and effectively represented in district communication was newer and that the uh superintendent will ensure the board has necessary staff and administrators successfully meet its government commitments. specifically adding the board's ability to add uh perspective into the evaluation of the of the executive assistant which

138was added as an indicator as well. more towards the end of the presentation after you've had time to uh just provide feedback on the areas itself. I did write beyond the leadership move a a I don't know if it's a recommendation but a consideration I would say uh not really in the form of recommendation of you know some knowledge that we gained at the April 30th meeting in terms of the um some of the things that we have been grappling with as a team um as well around OE8 and how uh some of the uh districts that are using the same governance policy have moved either all or some of the components of OE8 over to the the BSRS which uh stand for board uh board superintendent relationship knowing that there are significant comp components

139of OEA that are specific to how the board how the board and superintendent directly engage with with each other. Um I don't know that it would be appropriate to move all 14 sections there because some of it relates to uh representation with the community which I think stay stays in O8 but then again just up to the board to and make some considerations as you do own the policies as to is it best positioned in O8 or is it best positioned in board superintendent relationships for for dialogue. Um I don't think the board is going to want me to sit here and go through all 14 as we've had all the information uh to go over on the monitoring report itself as well as well as the presentation. Uh so I my suggestion I would

140like to turn it over to the board to ask me questions about any of the 14 areas or any of the indicators and I can provide any insight whether it's the indicator itself or the evidence that went along with the with the indicator. So I'll turn it over to the to the board at this time and using the documents in front of you to support a conversation. Thank you. So board members, as we have had this report time to process, any initial questions, comments, considerations about OEA that we want to elevate. Overall, I really appreciate the like the board recaps and finding things in the folders. I know that's been a big lift for um supporting the board for the new educators and I think that's been a helpful thing and I know I've appreciated

141again for that. Yeah. Thanks to both of you hugely helpful. Oh, I also wanted to note that um the items that are in docs for board members, you need to be signed in in order to see them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Great. Because some of that is right our content. Thank you. Yep. And to clarify for the community. Thanks, Lori. I have one sort of general kind of wondering and it's a little bit maybe more for the board. I mean, I feel like with some of these things, we've kind of established some working procedures without actual dialogue around working procedures. So I think one of them that comes to mind I think it might be um I forget which OE sub thing it lands to. Well maybe maybe I guess it's 8.5. So anytime

142the phrasing in the indicator says the board will be given information or share of information. I think there are times where I get the information just from quickness of if it's quick call for you or a quick text from you and then I become the layer of disseminator to the rest of you. It's just sort of started to be that way. And I guess I just even want to ask the board. The policy says the board gets information. We have the weekly emails. We have those. But in those kind of quicker moments if there's, you know, how that feels to all of you, we've just kind of landed in this procedure and I we haven't talked about it. So that's a good question. I think first of all um in a pinch yes there's times

143but I don't that shouldn't be your job and that's I think where we're talking about you know the board is giving all of this information I don't think that that's necessarily um I mean I know having said in the leadership meetings there is a difference of information and so I think that's a something that we kind of raised in uh in some other context that I I feel pretty strongly we need to address again. And maybe that's a BSR, you know, policy. Um, yeah, because that's where I feel like to the BSR point, I feel like some of this, it's not it isn't your decision necessarily, but how an OEA comes into practice, right? There is a little bit of collaboration. So when it feels like we're trying to hold you accountable into a relational

144piece, that also just feels complex that it feels like it's more of a space for a dialogue about what do we want procedures to look like because of the relationship between the board and the superintendent. So that is I think that becomes like the sticky widget of something like this 08 ate with something like this that then in turn we're supposed to evaluate you on something that we didn't actually kind of collectively even talk about to begin with even though it feels like a team space. Did I say did I say that way kind of just to bring up the piece that you've talked about about maybe there's a revisiting to aspects of this from a cultural and an evaluative kind of aspect. And I I also think that um and it's funny you went

145to 085 which was kind of the driver. Um the quickness of needing to get information to a board member uh is often hinges on me not knowing if the media is going to pick it up or not or how fast it'll get on social media or how fast something and just trying to get a message out there. I I did a and I think to Mayor to Merida's point if you were to look at totality of communication I I just did it because I thought this part of the conversation might might come might have come up in terms of a text of information to the board president. I was in the multihundreds of just quick heads up here or here's here's something that that's going on. And I think where I would like to know

146and I think is where you're going to question like like how are we parsing out well because it didn't go to the media does it still have to go to the rest of the board or or yeah all those things multiunds to zero there's not we're not hitting an indicator I mean if I'm hearing nothing and you're getting multiple hundreds of hits we don't have the same information. Yeah. Well, I don't know if I would agree with that the the because there's also all of the information if we are are looking at it then it's determination of just because it didn't go uh in the form of a text in that moment because I'm not going to create a quorum by sending a full board text doesn't mean it didn't also go into the either

147the uh the board updates on the on the on the following week which a multitude of that information uh does go into the spaces. You know, I think there has to be a uh you know, kind of a willingness to engage in in in that and read read all the information that's that's that's put in there uh and look at it in totality and then after you read everything, if we feel like there's information missing, then that's I think that's a bigger conversation. Yeah, I'm pretty good about that. I think what we probably do need to figure out though is where the BSR follows because I think Joe's you know brought up you know um sometimes does it feel like we're getting the kind of the gist of it and I think that's what the

148board is really ultimately you know capturing and if these are the indicators then that's where that I think the BSR might be catching some of this where what's the standard of operations because if it doesn't feel like it's working then we need to reevaluate And that was something I had written a note to myself quite a number of weeks ago to even kind of consult with Nate a bit of like the difference between and some of this relies on us to know when to reply and not to reply but right of you sending a mass text to the whole board hey FYI versus it comes to me and then I mass text all of you and say don't reply that it feels like if we have the parameters for board to know this is one

149way at this moment these are these one-way texts that you all get from me that could we have that same process from you that rev is just going to me that it just goes to all seven and we're not engaging with it. it's simply informational and that was kind of a piece like quorum-wise we're kind of engaging in that a bit and then it's does that feel better if it's direct and not you know from me I so that was just one sort of question andor wondering about just a simple process so I think um this could go on for a long time I think that I'm fine with the OE8 report right here but I do think that as one of our slides brings uh it is appropriate to have a discuss a discussion

150even like a whole board discussion about how much of OEA should actually be in BSR5. Um and then how it might be articulated differently as more like this sort of stuff is spelled out in appropriately in that space. It wouldn't be appropriate in an OE to spell out all of these like procedures around how you're going to communicate with the board. You know, is this like a tier one emergency or tier 2 emergency, but in the BSR stuff, we can probably spell that out more appropriately. Um, I don't, you know, I don't think any of us want to get texts into the hundreds. And but I think that the fallacy that's being committed there is that it's about urgency, right? Like if you had 10 texts in a week, they're probably about one or two

151matters that then get reported out in the email, the leadership email at the end of the week 99% of the time, right? Um so, you know, it's about giving multiple messages and it's about like how urgent is this stuff and we can spell all that out in the SR5 and I think it's appropriate for us to do that. So, in the interest of, you know, the OE, I'm fine with it. Um, I feel like I'm getting to broken record status about like this is a clear example of how we need to rewrite something like but I think the two tonight to me have kind of been that way. Um, the other one I would say is 08 8.4. I think there was another one that the board last time kind of touched on about when

152we're talking about internal and external points. Do we want to be hearing them or do we want to be hearing about them from, you know, Dr. clarity because that just feels like we're still getting a filtered and I think Jen John and I talked about that with 8.4 indicator one. You know, that ties in a little bit to a thought I was having as we were hearing about the student advisory committee today and how great a thing that is to have. and how nice it would be for us to have a student advisory committee. And then that made me think, didn't we talk a couple years ago about the idea of having like a student representative on the board like that could fill that role? So, I was just going through that made me think

153of it with Oh, yeah. Yeah. It sounds like that's I think it would be really interesting to be hearing directly from the source as opposed to distillations of thoughts or even just summaries. like it's so much better to hear it straight from the source rather than get a summary of what they're saying, right? They felt the same way, the same thought. But the other part of that though is this a little bit tangential is what other groups are we sitting on and maybe there's a way for us to communicate that back. So I give an example of uh GSA for example and I go to that meeting I should report that back to this board that we're you know sharing that information or other things that that make sense. Sure. Yeah. And that is kind

154of what our I mean not to say that it can't look different but just general board updates. Yes. Yeah. To have anyone elevate those things is great. So John I appreciate the kind of redirect. So coming back to OE8 currently as presented knowing some of the notes I'm taking about workshop time future to do some revisiting. Um and I think these become one of those moments. Thank you Dr. Clarity for giving some attempts at kind of some language and that kind of initial crosswalk that you shared in this report. um where this could be another kind of worker B group to maybe do some attempts at some of this with you know I feel like sometimes it's nice to have something to start from um but where we take the conversation next about where the

155concerns are and what that might start to look like in a BSR get we have to get results yeah I mean this is where priorities are in terms of time and then well we're going to have 16 hours of retreat this summer I mean, we are going to do it. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Don't leave until the work is done. Okay. So, with with all of that said, coming back to this report as is, any additional questions at least at this moment before we bring the report officially into our purview for a vote. I had a quick to point about like getting information, I guess. Do we have a framework as to because not like I want to know everything that you guys talk about in the executive meetings, right? Do we have a framework of

156what should be I guess I don't know just some guidelines of what should be communicated with the broader board versus more items that don't need to be or even like agenda. Does anybody care? That could be a good way to to have something like that. Share the agenda. Yeah. My concern is I don't I don't want to be I know I don't need to know everything, but I don't want to. But I certainly want to make sure I'm not missing anything that's really important for me to know that might help form an opinion or discussion point or another bring up at a board meeting or a side discussion or oneonone with Dr. Clarity or I don't know and they don't know yet to address the community. So I just it would be make me feel

157more comfortable if we had some kind of communication guideline on these if it falls within this jurisdiction we will let you know if it falls within this jurisdiction on a need to know basis executing team that would be really helpful for me to have that type of transparency to make sure I'm not missing I think that that is you know you don't know what you don't know and I think that's where it's hard to know if it's not much that's great I'm There is sometimes I feel like maybe it could be a little more informed. Yeah. In plethora of information we have there are some cases where I feel like there's still some things where I wish I was a little better informed. But this is a process, right, to continuously improve upon the amazing

158things we're doing. How else can we make sure we're all equipped with the right information? Does that make sense? Yeah. Sorry, I'm trying to write frantically just to hold some of this because right it's unanswerable some of it and so I think having Yeah. capturing some of this. Okay. All right. Well, we've been presented with the monitor we have monitoring report for OE8. I'll accept a motion to accept the presentation as shared so we can begin more discussion in terms of compliance. So move. Thank you, Joe. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, John. Any additional sentiments then about the presentation is being offered as in compliance. I'm just struggling. I know there have been a couple things already where we've come up where the board hasn't had all the same information or there's been

159some misunderstandings, but I'm gonna I'm struggling with that one. I think that was kind of something that I'd like to circle back to, you know, with the SR. We don't need to maybe go through it here, but I'm I think there's a lot of great um work that is being done with the nuts and bolts of it, but I think some we're missing a little bit. And I think my piece is like if you look at the indicators, they feel compliant. The policy verbiage at some of the right, the way that 8.8 eight may be written comparing that to an indicator as being in compliant the grayness kind of from that jump is where I'm right so I feel the compliance piece indicator wise as presented but I think what we're seeing is within the

160language of any one sub policy piece where the right where the indicator kind of has that gap of things that we're servicing am I saying that in a way that makes sense yeah I think and I think what you're again it's coming back to the PSR, right? Yeah. So, I I do think and just as a side note, when we were at that conference and that was shared as oh O8 being a BSR, I mean, I could not have been more struck with awe and dumbfounded by duck. So, just to just elevate that, I mean, it was just like, yeah, wow. So, anyway, it feels like with this conversation that feels elevated even more. We have a motion on the table from Joe and a second from John. Any further comments before we take our

161vote. All those in favor of approving the OA monitoring report as being in compliance signify with I. I. Any opposed? I'm going have to vote no. I don't feel like we are with all in the same for 8.8. All right. Thank you. Okay, moving on to general board updates. Christopher, do you have any? Oh, just with what you shared. Okay. Um, any other updates? Board members, what have you been up to? Like I said, we're going to talk more about um the impact and the kind of takeaways of the site visits, but do just kind of look back, make sure you know which ones you're signed up for now that kind of the signups are done. I know Lori, I think, has sent calendar invites. Just kind of keep track of your calendars, please. Um,

162to continue to follow through on those. They are amazing. Could we agenda like um maybe after these kind of reflect on how we want to do them moving forward because the end of year visits? Yeah. I missed all of them this year and I'd love to figure out a way. It's too many days off in one month. Yeah. Um and none of them and we kind of talked about that with just all of us having jobs outside of board. How does that play out? Last year I got to hit one and this year out for all of them. So when we debrief just those in general, we'll add that piece. Yeah. Can we make sure that we have that though like specific time to talk about board ones to see? I think that would really

163helpful. Yeah. Thank you. Uh any other general O8 or board updates? Sorry, I'm taking my note. Okay, stop writing, Jen. Continue to facilitate. All right. Okay, then moving on to superintendent consent agenda. Um, just to elevate within the consent agenda, we do have a personnel item. So, there has been a new hire in the district, which we did see over email. Um, Dr. Clarity, if you Oh, you do have a an updated slide. I know. I didn't I guess I didn't refresh. Yeah, we did have a lot of them. Yeah, that's some voice. Really hope uh Aaron is still still with us uh listening and she's really excited to be able to uh join the Bron District. So, we're excited as I think the board approved the agenda so we can say it's official. We

164approved the agenda. I mean approve the consent. Oh, we did not technically approve consent. Um any any further discussion or questions? That the superintendent's consent agenda is approved as presented and go. All right. Now I can we can officially say Erin is really honored to bring uh Erin Davenport into the Bruner School family. Um she brings uh multiple years experience into not just uh our not um only our special education and special education department but uh she's got a multiaceted uh expertise in new areas but really her expertise in special education and special education programming uh rose to the top in the application process. Uh I just want to give an overview to our community and to the board around our very thorough process to get highly qualified candidates. Obviously, we opened it up with

165um I think we had in the 30s for for candidates for for this position. Uh we open it up with screening with the combination of H HR as well as leadership team members to really uh narrow the pool down uh from the bigger number to uh candidates that we want to bring in for potential uh interviews. Uh following this election, Aaron uh rose to one of the finalists in those areas. We did a dual um panel uh one panel of approximately 12 members of uh administrators from uh various uh departments across the Broner School District. We also did a panel of our our staff uh seas uh case managers um other areas special educa other areas of special education assistant directors uh and it was that was facilitated by Terresa Taylor. So thank you so

166much for for guiding that process uh as as well. Uh after those two uh very thorough panels, uh we Aaron again rose to the to the top and did a final interview with myself and Amy Ingleans. Uh and then really extensive reference checks and um uh accepted on her end of it a the position on on Friday and then waiting for uh board action today. So, um, what this means for our our our families and what this means for our students and our staff, uh, to know that we'll be able to, uh, to continue to grow in special education programming, but what it means for our whole system is is even bigger because we know we can't have, uh, special education as as isolated um, or or living in silos uh, at all and has

167to be part of our programming. I also want to take this opportunity to thank Dr. Halberg for her years of service to the Bruner School District and hopefully she ret uh enjoys a very well-deserved uh retirement uh after multiple decades years of service um uh in many in multiple districts but most recently here in the Bron Air School District and uh they these two will work hand in hand uh to be able to have a smooth transition as we shift from one leadership uh to to the other. So again, congratulations to Aaron and thank you to our board for approving the final step in this process. Yeah, thank you. Exciting process, thorough as always for for bringing on new leadership. So thank you to you and your team and welcome Erin. We look forward to

168having you in the back potentially. It's a great space to be at 8:15 on a Monday night. All right, and taking a look then at board consent agenda. Any questions? hearing none. Board consent agenda is approved. Uh future dates are here and I'm guessing shortly we're going to start to get firm commitments on graduation in terms of board attendance. Um so Lori, you and I can work on that as we need to kind of definitively decide and plan on who will be able to attend. Hopefully all of us will be very exciting. I know it is on a Sunday this year. Um so watch for that. Um and then upcoming board meetings. So, we are going to take some time to shift just to a quick um board debrief around the checklist process, which I'm

169guessing is why this amazing group of back people are still here to hear our profound sentiments about the reporting checklist. Um so, just opening it up to some general discussion feedback partially just for the team. you know, this was a first run for the team to kind of take this um reworking John that you elevated and again appreciation to you for putting something like this together to help the admin team give us information that we've been declaring and desiring as a board and then for us to kind of use this as a place to see are we getting the things that we need and being able to find the place to uh elevate any questions. Any thoughts? I can get us started. Um, I I thought it was a I thought the format was an

170improvement. Um, I think one area that I liked probably most about the checklist that John had put together that I still think we can kind of build out a little more is the concept of an executive summary. that like in theory I think an executive summary would be like a one page or less. If I'm so short on time I can't read the entire report. I could read that one page and get the gist of the rest of the report just from reading that. And and I I don't feel like I got that this time around. Um uh but that could also be a difference in my own expectation. Otherwise, I thought it looked really good. This is where I thought the report was great. I thought the board's indicators were made it harder. So,

171I I really loved um getting like the narrative version of what the students were doing. That was really helpful. I love hearing like the specifics about the kids in home that didn't fit into the indicators that we have out there, but hearing the anecdotes, those are the things that I'll remember and can share out and I think that's super valuable. And that we have that kind of place, right, for qualitative, quantitative to spell out here. Yeah. And you know, we I think we talked about this beforehand that all this doesn't necessarily apply to every results report. So, right, there were things here. even kind of wrote to myself, I'm not really applicable for this report. And I think that's just the it's why it's a tool really, not a checklist. Remember, we use that verbage

172in mentoring a lot. It's a tool. It's not a um compliant or non-compliant checklist. We just use this to kind of help frame ourselves. So that I think it's a very dynamic document. I wouldn't want us to see it have to change to accommodate for that. Just using our own kind of purview to know this particular thing isn't really relevant for this report or maybe this one is. I like it's nice to have Yeah. And just kind of a a peak when we were um talking through this having this like blank for me to use on my own, right? I think the team used it to like check for themselves, but to have this be organically for me to use blank to kind of really see how that felt like felt was important. Um, like

173you said, I don't think like compare peer districts. Not doing that. Yeah, exactly. Square peg round. I'm glad we're not like being like dogmatic about it. I did na that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so that's where I'm glad that just because we wrote it doesn't mean you have to figure out how to do it. That relevant, but and I think different results are going to lend themselves to different pieces of this. So, I hope that no one's pretzling themselves to make this work. Um, I like this though because I feel it'll make it easier for us to have conversations especially around I know John's brought this up a lot in the past and Christopher around tying things that we're doing to the strategic framework to the framework to make sure and I just think having this

174in front of us to remind us to be thinking that way will spur hopefully more conversations like we've been having lately. One piece to that I would relate is one of the most important pieces of the equity framework is identifying barriers where they exist and without either lived experience or someone to bring that to the table our understanding of that broadly it only comes up through discussion. You know, I think the more that we can understand without having to have like expertise in understanding those barriers, um, there needs to be a way to identify and have those discussions that were broadly, you know, if I don't show up to a meeting, I I can't bring that lens with so that that lens can still be brought into the work that we're doing and what we're

175considering. So, that's one thing that I'm not sure how that fits in here other and this one spot here under leadership moves and future planning. How do we pepper that throughout that we're having that consideration? Um and and it's not an afterthought but a forethought and we all have that tool to the right. Does that make sense? To look through our whole conversation. It it should have required with experience rather we can bring that we have broad enough experience and understanding of that equity from and we're living that every day our actions bring to the table. Thank you. Take Yeah, I'm taking notes again. under the leadership rules for future planning barriers, identify solutions. Yeah, we're understanding in mitigating any disperate potential. Um but that that you know often times we align that expertise of

176that firsthand experience versus so it should be just something that's part of our normal I remember when we had coffee we talked about the rules I think that so maybe that's something we talk about is these are a set of things that we kind of always bring to mind as manager every meeting, you know, we had a list of things. Remember that when we had the coffee and we had a list of things that would be great to think about, keep top of mind the entire meeting. It it's centered around keeping that agree framework front and center of everything that we're talking about. It's centered around even just respect for each other. We're talking different. Maybe that's something you can bring into the next workshop whenever it's right. We kind of talked about that about

177working agreements as we Yeah. Yeah. tie this checklist. Maybe that would be helpful. Or if that's ways that we govern ourselves, right, with our Yeah, really appreciate that you put this together, John. Oh my gosh. Great work. Worker B extraordininaire. You get worker B award right now. Did you use uh No, he This is his jam. No, but I would I didn't do this per se. this was the admin team generated this off of the document that I shared out with everybody. So, I can't vouch for that. But, um, in hindsight, there are pieces of it that I probably should have cuz as Dr. Perry can tell you, I get a little bit um, hard to understand sometimes. And I don't know Jason or Amy because this was kind of the first report you two

178were in kind of the crux of it. Do you two want to offer any just thoughts that you had about I know right you just kind of described the organic nature with which this came to be from your perspective as well but any thoughts you want us to consider as we've been debriefing. I think it was helpful for us in thinking through a well-rounded well-rounded data sources right because as you saw the indicators were pretty limited we're just looking at number of hotspots the people this one survey question and do we have a plan? Sure. Right. And we could easily check those boxes pretty clearly. I think the checklist helped us think about what is that qualitative data? What is the story that we're telling in that way? So, I found it useful. It helped

179the flow too. And I think the using that to then kind of revamp the template of the summary too. Um, it just it it made this a lot cleaner for somebody being able to just not have a bunch of words on a page instead of having everything in nice table format, everything. It just made it easier to follow too. I feel like Yeah, I think it also helps our team think that it's not just Jason has a different style than Rose has and so our approach to executive summaries has been slightly different based on what people have highlighted. I think providing a checklist and a different format for the monitoring report helps us to think through some of the same consistent lenses and actually can help us think through we know that we've got all

180these pieces covered. on how do we go deeper as you're naming program thinking about what are the barriers and how are we dismantling those as we go instead of just did I do the right survey data about that so appreciation for your time thank you guess we'll just say then onward to the next one and just you know yeah exactly continually reflecting yeah it was really helpful having this printed out for the first few times That could be something like the next until we kind of get familiar with it. And maybe it can be a thing that lives in board docs than just ongoing, right? Anytime we have something to monitor because then we have that access always in an easy place. I like keeping it flexible because we might change over the next few.

181I think for me one of the key questions as we do this back and forth is like does this sort of thing make your job easier or harder? And that's where we kind of have to set nicities aside. And you know, honestly, like if this is just another, you know, thing that you have to work through the check boxes and it's not working to like streamline any bit of work, then I don't know how valuable it is. I mean, it's valuable for us obviously, but like we have to balance that with any costs and time. So yeah, I think I think what we perhaps the next step for us is to figure out which of these items that we struggle slightly with is do we want to meet all these check boxes in the presentation

182alone, all these check boxes in the monitor report or sum in each because certain things feel redundant um so I think that's something for us to tease out as we also just think about length of presentations um maybe kind of to your point Joe of like the presentation could be sort of the one page major and we have all the access to the data and right if that's been our role as board members to tune into some of that to be able to bring questions but you know I don't know can we get clarification because that was going to be a followup question that Joe has brought up again because that's opposite of the way we did it and if that's going to be an expectation then we just need to shift our to yeah

183I don't know if I'm saying as an expectation or you did it and that you did everything in the presentation Yeah. Not much in the executive summary on purpose because it it was we thought we we felt like it was we were saying the same thing twice. And so we it was like a very minimal executive summary because everything was in the presentation if we want to go more executive summary and then not as much presentation. I just need to know that you want to go. I I'm happy to have everyone tell me they disagree with me if they do. To me that the value of an executive summary is that it it takes the important elements from the rest of the report. So by by by definition it is repetitive. Um but it it

184like not that I'm I'm suggesting we ever would not read the entire report but in theory if someone read only the executive summary they would get the gist of the report. or for a community member if that was the piece that they gravitated toward. But other people might have a far different expectation for what they want out of these reports. So I I I don't want to dictate what it should be. I think when I um when I think about this, this is not going to be helpful at all. I think that there is, you know, a report that is laid out according to this sheet that includes an executive summary like Joe said that probably would benefit from some AI if I was writing it. At least this data analysis presentation. Um I you

185know I think the way I would look at it is like the um the presentation part probably has a lot to do with the executive summary and the leadership moves but maybe not all of the details of the data analysis particularly when we get to those OES that have like so much stuff I would say Chads you know you're writing a report that covers all these check boxes. The exe the the presentation then would cover, you know, a good executive summary and then the leadership moves. If I'm a parent watching at home, those are the things I really want to see and then, you know, I can come and dig into the data if I need to. But I I think it's also important to remember what we use these reports for because at the

186end of the year when we go back and kind of try to summarize, you know, as part of the superintendent evaluation, we're not pulling up the presentations and looking at the presentations again, but we might be pulling up the reports. We're not going to read a 15page report for each results, policy, and operational expectation, but we might read the executive summary for each as we're trying to kind of think through what the evaluation looks like. Yeah. A well synthesized paragraph. Yeah. Yeah. And it really does does just have to be a paragraph. I like John's idea about AI, but that's where that's where the AI goes. Yeah. That's where it shines. Yeah. The piece I always kind of remain over as well that we've talked about just in terms of how board meetings function is

187the discourse and the discussion and the conversation. So to have you all give another 45minut presentation on information that we have you know where is that sweet spot where the majority of the time is the discussion and the questions and the digging in. That's the part I think is also really valuable as board members and why we are here and to have that um you know for the sake of the community to be able to dialogue around what we are seeing in the report rather than being presented to. So, however that and that's just my personal sentiment about kind of the play within the board space and all I'll say people might be different but for me I don't even look at the presentations on the results policy of the OE because I read I

188read the report so I don't even I don't even look at the slides I see them at the board meeting but like you know ahead of time I don't I don't read those. Does that give you any guidance? Did we get any guidance? I know, right? And we say 75 things and actually say nothing. Okay, we got it. If we had AI synthesized that discussion, it probably be pretty useful. Oh, like Zoom will do. Oh, yeah. I think Yeah. No, I won't even say what my husband would be saying right now about me and facilitating. So, okay, great. Then let's please adjourn to close session under Wisconsin statute 19.85 85 sub1 subc to consider the compensation of a public employee over which the board has jurisdiction specifically to consider the superintendent annual step compensation. Uh

189we will shift to close session by roll call vote in favor signify with I. Joe I Corby I John I Meredith I Christopher I Carlos I am I as well we are off to close session. Thanks all.