LCSD1 School Board of Trustees Meeting - June 30, 2025

001board of trustees to order. Um, we'll start tonight with a pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Dr. Newton. Do we have any adjustments to the agenda? Madam Chair, there are no adjustments to this evening's agenda. Madam Chair, I move to adopt the agenda. And I second a second to adopt the agenda. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. I'd like to point out for those in attendance and anybody online listening. Um, tonight is a special meeting of the board and you'll notice we're doing things a little differently than we do in our regularly scheduled meetings. In our regular meetings, we often have student and staff recognitions and

002we won't be doing anything like that tonight. Um, we also typically in our well always in our regular meetings entertain public comment. uh we will not be doing that tonight and the decision for that was made because we have had um several months of public comment during our meetings but also we have just closed the 45day um period in which members of the public could provide and did provide feedback for this board. So we will not um have public comment and we will just move straight into the new business. So there's one item on new business. Do we have a motion for that? Yes, Madame Chair. I move to adopt the new rule, Board Policies, Chapter 3, Section 8, Rule Governing Firearms on School District property. And I second. So, I have a motion and

003a second to adopt the new rule, Board Policies, Chapter 3, Section 8, Rule Governing Firearms on School District property. Um, before we vote on that, I imagine there might be some conversation that this board would like to have or questions to ask. Um, I believe we have possibly an amendment to that. Um, but I think before we get to the amendment, um, it might be helpful if we I I assume I have questions. Um, and I wonder if maybe others do as well. Um, perhaps we could get those out of the way and be as informed as we possibly can be. um before we entertain any amendments to that motion. Um so if we could start with that discussion first and any questions the board members may have then we'll move into any amendments and

004then the policy itself. So does anybody have questions or comments um on the policy? Who wants to start? Well, so we can start at the end, but I will give everybody a chance to um speak before we go to a second round and just make make sure we're fair. Um so, Trusty Burton, would you like to start? Could I start? Yeah, sure. Okay. Oh, I I thought you were Oh, I didn't. Yeah, I just saw one hand down there. So, Oh, go ahead. Um I have a lot to say about this policy. Um, first and foremost, thanks to the people that responded. Um, we I felt that we had uh pretty good comments and I thought they were pretty one-sided. Um, sadly, tomorrow we will be able to conceal carry guns in schools and that

005makes me sad. Um, I'm curious if the people that wrote the bill thought about that our insurance, school insurance has increased due to the to this bill. There's some kids that will um, due to our comments, some children that will not be attending school because their parents don't want them in the school with guns. There are some teachers that have left the state because they do not want to teach in a state where they can have guns. It seems like those that wrote it were more interested in individual rights than the good of the whole. So sadly the ship has sailed and guns will be coming into the classrooms. Last time we discussed this um someone had said Barb you probably want more training because it w it sounded more punitive. And that is not

006where I'm coming from. I do not want it to be punitive. I don't want it people to be punished just because they're going to conceal carry. I have always been and will all continue to be concerned about the safety of the students in their classrooms. And I think only the highest trained individuals with guns w will be good to have in a classroom if they have to if somebody has to conceal carry because research consistently shows that the presence of guns is associated with increased violence. It does not make it safer. It makes it less safe. Couple scenarios I guess I'd love for you guys to think about. one, I would think only a highly trained individual would be able to hold the trigger on oftentimes school shooters are either current students or former students

007that have had a mental breakdown. So, in order to um for an individual with a concealed carry to pull the trigger on a person that might have been a former student, somebody that they had taught and mentored, um I think would only take the highest bit of training in order to do that. Second S scenario I'd love for you to think of is I was in the classroom many times with young children. um we'd have monthly drills and initially early in the year a principal would say we're going to have an a a drill today and so um I would be able to prepare my students for a fire drill or intruder inside the building or intruder outside the building um and even with that amount of talk I would tell the kids this is

008what's going to happen and I'll be with you and this is just a drill the kids were scared And much like your own children wanting to come to an adult if there's a scary situation, that's what those kids feel like. And I can only imagine a person with a concealed carry gun having to wield that gun around children that are gathering around their feet would take a lot of training. And I don't think currently our this policy has enough training in it. I also think that if if you had a medical problem, you wouldn't go to a a doctor that has minimal training. If you had a legal problem, you wouldn't go to a lawyer that has minimal training. You'd want an individual, a professional that had as much training as they possibly could. And

009that's what I'm going to advocate for tonight. Um, another point I think is pretty valid. Of the four most populous school districts in the state of Wyoming, Laram County 1 is one. Uh Natrona, Albany, and Campbell County. The three have more training and less students than our district that has minimal training and more students. And that concerns me. I have many questions, but I'll just leave it at that. Um, I would like to add an amendment and I uh I think it's already been done. Um, but I would like to see more training and I'd like to discuss that. Some of the other school districts have medical training which if there's a gun there could be blood. And I think that one of the um proponent or aspects of the training should be more medical

010care. And I also hope we put this out for a 45day comment. Most of the comments came back either no guns, which we can't go down that road, or more training. So, I hope we don't throw those aside. I hope we listen to the people that commented and I I'm hopeful that we can come to some compromise of increasing the training. So, thank you, Trusty Burton. Um, thank you, ma'am. Um I also read through the 130 some odd um comments and um I was doing a tally um as I was going um there were uh so if somebody said I hate the fact that we have guns in the school and we need more training they would get a comment a tally mark in both. So, um, for the 45 people who absolutely do not

011want them there, well, contact your state legislator because we didn't put this into place. Um, and I got 54 uh who wanted um more training just for factual numbers. There's 12 people who um support the p idea of um guns in school. I came across like five um who were like we shouldn't have a policy at all. Um Lar 2 I', you know, I'd heard rumors and then um a gal I was in the guard with is on the Larmy 2 board and I reached out to her and she said currently we do not have a policy but you know that could change. They're just going to go with no policy. Um anyway, so those were some of the tallies that I um had come up with and then I did some um did some

012research based upon comments that kept coming up. So, um, from what I could find, Wyoming became a constitution carry state in 2021. And, um, I couldn't figure out when Wyoming became the Constitution's carry state, but, in 2021, non-residents can also, um, carry in Wyoming. So you have to be 18 for rifles and shotguns and 21 um to carry firearms. So you know our uh counterparts at college campuses have to worry about their students carrying as well. Um so I came up with those numbers and then there were a lot of comments that you don't have to have a background check. So um Amy I might need some clarification. So, when I was looking at what I found with constitution carry is if you can legally carry a firearm, you don't need a background check. However,

013if you go to apply for a concealed carry permit because Wyoming had and I'm assuming it's because Wyoming has reciprocity with 36 other states. um that list and a lot of this is education for me and education for um other folks as well. Um so to get a concealed carry permit, you have to have a proof of firearm safety training. Um a certificate of completion of qualified weapons training such as a handgun safety class um sponsored by the community college or hunter safety of course. It has to be notorized. Um, it can be given by the law enforcement academy. Um, couple other places or if you u served in the military and have a DD214 um or a documentation of honorable retirement from federal or state peace officer with a minimum of 10 years of

014service. And then the department of DCI, Department of Corrections. Um, that's where you go, I guess. Um, it's $64 to get your license and there's a $15 cash for fingerprints. So, to get a concealed carry license, from what I read, I understand that you have to have a background check for um the concealed carry. Um, the other thing for those who are concerned that, oh, we don't have background checks. um all of our staff and all of our volunteers, we have background checks on them. So, um we work really hard to not let complete whackados anywhere near young children. Um, so anyway, the other piece, um, because I thought if you started at zero, I've never held a firearm in my life, 168 and annual 12 hours is a little concerning to me. However, we

015live in the great state of Wyoming. Um, I found some information that 66.2% 2% of adults in the state of Wyoming have a firearm in their home. Probably more than one. Um, we have young people who take hunter safety courses. We have a lot of people who hunt. We have extensive amounts of law enforcement in our city. Um, uh, we have the county sheriffs, we have highway patrol, we have city PD. Um we have a lot of um young men and women serving in the United States Air Force who are security forces. Um same with the National Guard, Army and Air, Game and Fish. There's a lot of agencies that we have firearms and those families um probably have firearms in their home. And I mean my husband is retired Air Force, had security forces

016training. we go hunting and he was teaching the kids to use firearms. Um, so in my mind, and we don't know, we can't ask, hey, hey, are you going to take the class? You served in the military. We can't ask who's going to carry, who's going to who's going to not. Um, but I would like to think that anybody who would choose to go through this process that this isn't their first time carrying a gun or having access to a firearm that they've been hunting or fishing or, you know, grew up with around firearms, going to the range or a a variety of things, which to me adds a level of um firearms knowledge. I mean, we have friends with kids that hunt all the time, and these young people know way more about guns

017than I do. Um, so I'm I'm a little um wishing I knew more information um about who's applying and who is not. Um the other thing I considered is um whatever we require for training um I would like to have a a waiver based upon a personal given on individual basises. Somebody comes off of active duty Air Force whether it's 5 years, 10 years or 20 years and they've done security forces and been to the firing range all the time. They have more training than we could ever require of them. and I think that they should maybe get some of that training waved. Um anyway, so those were some of the things um that I considered. Um and I would and with Barb I am grateful to everyone who has put in a lot of

018time and a lot of effort um our stakeholders, our community. Um it is concerning that people are so fearful. um and a well-trained person with a firearm. Um and we have three principles who are former military. I have no I I've not talked to them about this policy. Um but somebody who is well trained could stop an active shooter before the cops get there. But somebody who's never held a firearm, um Trusty Cook is completely right. you know, if it's a former student. I lived within three miles of Coline in the 90s. Um, so I think we have a lot of questions and a lot of concerns and a lot of whatifs. Um, and for me, it's not the students in the class. It's not the the staff and our volunteers. It's what about folks

019coming in the building. You have nasty nasty divorce cases. You have families that there's an abuser. There's protection orders, there's all kinds of things. And then you know we have um act extracurricular activities uh football games, basketball games, graduation um where there's a lot of people and a lot of unknowns that I'd love to have a conversation with somebody with a background in safety and security and how we provide safety and security in those situations. So, I think I have more questions than I have answers. Best excited to hear um I'm super excited to to get the perspective of my peer group here and the things that everyone else saw as they um read through all of this as well. Trusty Hanker. Thank you, Chairman. Um yes. Um, I think we have to remember that

020as a board, our number one responsibility is the health, safety, and welfare of all of the children that come through the doors of all of the schools that we um have in the district. Um to that end um I feel our state legislators have shown a huge disdain for the control local control of this um district and it's uh quite angering um and frustrating and um I think it's unconstitutional personally. That's my personal bent. Gun violence is the number one cause of childhood death in this country and states that allow uh more lax rules for concealed carry have higher deaths of children by gun violence. Um and we are one of those states. So um having guns in schools does in no way make schools more safe. I think that is a falsehood that we

021need to clarify and we need to let our state know that we know that that's a lie and that we will be watching. Um, and I don't know how many injuries or deaths it will occur before we finally get this law changed, but I'm hoping that it's not very many. Um, so I think it is our responsibility to do every single thing in our power to make our kids as safe as possible. And the only thing we have in our power that the state legislators have given us is training requirements. And so I think we need to do the max training requirements we can. This is not punishment for people who want to carry a gun into school. This is our responsibility of keeping our children safe. Um, and so I think anything we can

022do to do that is our responsibility and if we don't do it, that's our irresponsibility and any injury that occurs will then be on us. Um, so I think the more training that we have, the more we will be protected, whether that's legally or just emotionally and personally. Um, we'll see. Um so I did um bring an amendment that we will be discussing later um that brings up the highest um training hours that has been proposed so far um across the state um by our neighbors and I think we should consider adopting that. Um I also have some questions. Why do we have waiverss for rural schools? I don't understand really why that's necessary. They're part of our school district. Why should rural schools be treated rural teachers be treated in differently than um urban

023type teachers? Trusty Hinkle, would you like to I have questions, too. So, would you like to ask those as you're as you're making your comments so that is there a reason Uh, Madam Chair, Trusty Hinkle, the the um waiver for rural schools is because that's included in the legislation. Um, teachers um and staff at rural schools can request a waiver under the um statute. So, we included that in there. It does not require the board to grant it, but there may be extenduating circumstances um where the board may want to grant a waiver of training requirements. So um that's why that is part of the policy is because that comes directly from the new statute. Okay. Thank you. But we there is no rules by which we have to grant that for any particular reasons.

024U Madame Chair Trusty Hinkle. No. So um this board would be able to consider and we included within the proposed rule um information that we thought might be helpful. um for the board in order to consider a waiver. But it again it would not bind this board to um grant um any waiver refund. But um again it's it's included in there because statute says that you can grant waiverss for rural. Okay. Um and then hold on. Is her mic on? Sorry. Sorry. I'll get closer and I'll speak louder. Very hard to hear. Um thank you. Um, and then you did mention in um your email today um the couple of places in the training section where it only says employees and not employees and volunteers. So I assume we're going to make that technical change.

025It was just a left off and it wasn't anything of importance. So I mean it wasn't any there's no reason that we just had one. It should be both. U Madam Chair, Trusty Hinkle. Yes, that's correct. There were a couple places where we noticed after the fact that it did not say employee or volunteer. Um because your proposed notice of rule making um kind of the preamble to the rule, everything um and and statute allows for both employees and and uh volunteers to be covered by the rule. I wouldn't consider that a substantive rule change. And so we can just kind of do that as a technical um we just insert or employee into two specific places. Um it's on page three um and page four or I believe it's on page four actually um

026that talks about the recurrent training and then the cost. And so those are applicable to both um employees as well as volunteers. And it was just an inadvertent as we were going through we didn't stick that one in there. Okay. Super. Thank you. Um and then um I was wanting to add some kind of psychological testing or uh uh you know some kind of way to know that um the people who will be carrying in the schools um that we have control over do not have any kind of psychological um problem that should uh be monitored or known. Um but there is no consensus nationwide about that type of testing. So um I don't think that's reasonable. Um but um I did find out that all of our um teachers um not all employees in

027general, but all the teachers at least um do have to have background checks. Um and so it's all certified uh staff. And then the volunteers go through a minor um screening. Um and then if they're a recurrent volunteer, they do get a background check as well. So um many of the comments that we received were concerned about the background check issue. And so that does clarify that to some degree. Um, just for the record, um, I I want the community to know that, um, as, um, Marilyn stated, um, the vast majority of the people who commented on this, um, were extremely concerned about having guns in schools. Um, and a very small minority thought it was a good idea. So, I hope this board will take not necessarily everything that was said, but that gist

028um from the community to heart and know that this is a very unpopular um law, a very unpopular policy for our schools and um vote accordingly. Trusty Ashby. Yeah. So, I um will admit that I did not get to all of the I spent um most of today reading through the comments. However, I'd spent a fair amount of time thinking about this over the last month or so after or 45 day plus. Um and at the last meeting, I talked about the fact that, you know, by default, teachers that are concealed carrying are going to be the the good guy with the gun. They are the protection. They are the people that are going to be seen as protecting our kids. Um, and so for me, it's not about whether or not they can um

029they've had gun training, that they can use the tool itself. It's about can they use that tool in this specific environment with very high stakes with young children and adolescents that are going to be freaking out. Schools are really unique environments. They are environments that um you don't see almost anywhere else, right? We shove anywhere between 12 and 25 young people in a room with one one full-fledged adult and by nature there is some excess activity and and to some degree chaos just built into the environment itself let alone if you put somebody with a you know that is threatening that environment and I think there are very few people in the world um that have the training minus maybe our SRO's um to really deal with that. And I think um the more training

030we can give them and the more understanding of how they deal with those high very high stakes, very chaotic, very um young populations that they're working with while dealing with that um tool um I think the better. And so I I the amendment that's coming forward I very much agree with. I think the basic requirements for getting a um concealed carry permit, they're, you know, are fine if you're walking around protecting yourself on a day-to-day basis, but that's not what's going to happen. They are going to be asked to protect our kids. Um, and I think it's really important that we give them all of the tools and all the knowledge they we can uh in order to make sure that we are creating environments that are um as safe as they can be. Uh

031because I don't disagree. I you know the stats that I've see are the similar to what's been seen down here is that more guns generally equals more violence and that worries me but we don't have a say on that. I also wanted to be very clear there was a number of comments that said just don't have a policy. Not having a policy does not mean that there's not going that the teachers are not going to be able to carry. Not having a policy means they can carry and we don't have any regulatory piece and um we don't know what training they've got um other than maybe whatever minimal amounts of training are required to get the concealed carry. Um so that is what Larmy 2 is doing. Um they are choosing not to have a

032policy at all. Um and that worries me because they're leaving already volatile environments up to um people you know you can be trained on hunting safety. This is not hunting. This is not personal protection. This is protection of um our our kids. So, Madam Chair, I have one more question if that's okay. Can we come back around? Sure. Okay. Um I think she actually asked my other question. Yep. Okay. So, you're okay. Y trusty class. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. And and I want to say thank you for everyone who took the time to respond to our policy as well, our draft policy. Um, and I was going to clarify that too. I think you did a good job, but I'll just state it that our policy isn't required. Um, but as of tomorrow, uh,

033the state statute will go into effect. And so the idea behind our actions tonight is to put a policy in place in order to um at least have some regulation over our employees and our volunteers that are working in our buildings. So that is the purpose of tonight's discussion around this policy. Um, one thing that I I want to just note that when I saw the waiver for the rural rural schools, I also asked that question. Uh Mhm. But then I got the answer back that some rural schools may want to have the allowance of someone to carry and have it be easier for them to carry conceal carry I should say because uh of the the notion that they are in a place where the police may not be able to respond as quickly

034as the need arises. And so that is the flip side to the conversation that I haven't heard mentioned. And so I'll just note that that this is really a concept that people good people disagree on and it's very personal for everyone. But the flip side of the arguments we've already heard is that if you do have something happening very quickly in one of our buildings, and I I really hope we never do, um that if and that's a big if too, if someone were to be um concealed carrying, they could respond much quickly, much more quickly than if the police were called and we had to wait for them to arrive. So that is the flip side of the argument and I thought since no one else mentioned it that it's it's only fair to

035really talk about all the angles. Thank you. Trusty Humphrey. Thank you Madam Chair. Um I will try to not be redundant as a lot of my um peers up here have said and asked questions that I've already been thinking. Um, a question that I had though, um, Miss Paulie is how are we going to be tracking the required training? Is there a process that's going to be in place of how we're going to obtain that information from the staff? Um, Madame Chair, Trustee Humphrey, so that process hasn't um been developed just yet because we've been waiting on the policy itself. So that would be coming through in the administrative regulations. So currently as your policy is written, it would go to the superintendent or designate. Um there's a couple questions I I think about where

036um kind of where we keep that information and how we keep that information confidential that we still need to kind of work out, but that would be coming based on the adoption of the policy. Okay. Thank you. And then another question, um, the cost of insurance. I think we've all probably heard rumors that there's some funds that the state has set aside or you should look into these funds for training. Um, so if you could clarify that, I mean, the funding that is or is not available to us for insurance and training. Um, does that make sense? It does. Um, and Madame Chair, Trusty Humphrey, just because he is in the back, um, I would defer, uh, if I could to Mr. Cigarelli, um, because he's had far more conversations on this than I have.

037Um, Madame Chair, uh, Trustee Humphrey, uh, to to briefly summarize, um, uh, two years ago, the Wyman legislature passed, um, a firearms on school property account. Um, it was prefunded with $480,000. Um, and as you know, there's 48 school districts across the state of Wyoming, so that's roughly $10,000 per district. um if it was allocated on an even basis if every school district was to uh submit a request to to utilize those funds. Um there's a couple of things that we're working through with the Wyoming Department of Education currently on um what would qualify. Um they have not officially said if insurance would be an allowable expense um to access that account for reimbursement. Um we've asked for um continuing u information on um what would um require and qualify those expenses for reimbursement. Don't

038have those quite yet. Um so we're still navigating what that looks like. Um but some official guidance we have received from the Department of Education is that in order to access those funds, we have to have a policy in place. uh we've asked for them to reconsider that um based on the language of the statute um which doesn't to us at least indicate that that is a requirement but at least the current guidance that we've received official guidance from the department of education is that if there's no policy in place um we cannot seek reimbursement through that account. Um so I hope that helps summarize a little bit but happy to answer any other questions you may have. That answers it for me. Anybody else? Yeah, thank you Mrs. Sly. Um, and again, just out

039of the spirit of not being redundant, um, other questions that I had or comments I wanted to make have already been said, but I will reiterate that. So, I have a son that's going to be in kindergarten next year. And so, the thought of the potential, the reality, I guess, of guns being on school property, even as a gun owner myself, I it does make me nervous. So, to pass to have a pol I mean, that just the law in general makes me uncomfortable. Um but as it's been said, we we have our high our hands tied here and this is um kind of we either put a policy in place in order to help um regulate as much as we can or we just don't regulate. So um again, as uncomfortable as I am,

040I what I am comfortable with is the um the required training that we currently have listed. Um, I think that it does it already is asking way more of a individual who does intend to conceal carry. It's already asking way more of them than the concealed carry permit does itself. Um, so I don't I don't I I stand by my previous statement when we talked about this where I don't see the the need to require further training. I think that this bill has probably been um I would hope that there it's been under advisement of important people who have um really good knowledge on this kind of topic um when they were writing the bill. So I I stand by my previous comment on not requiring um more. So I'm not exactly comfortable with the

041amendment of requiring more of our of our teachers and staff and volunteers who decide to consume Perry. Um, and I just want to thank you everybody for the public comment. I mean, as it's been said, it's overwhelmingly um not supporting this policy, but again, we have our hands tied and we have to we have to pass something. Um, and I just thank you, Miss Polly, for all your work. So, I'm going to take a minute and um I had a few comments, but actually, I just have more questions um that I hope you all will just maybe you'll find answers informative, too. But as I read through the public comment several times I spent a whole lot of time with it. I made a lot of notes. Um I thought there were some valid questions

042that we received. Obviously some valid concerns. But I was hoping maybe to ask some of those questions during this board meeting so that our public can also get some of those answers while the board does. Um before I start with those questions um I had a note at the top of my notes. Um just a reminder of why we are doing this policy. Um enrolled um House Bill number 172 goes into effect tomorrow. As of tomorrow, anyone with a concealed carry permit can come into our schools conceal carrying a gun. Um, this act allows us to adopt no policy, which would mean that any of our staff or volunteers could conceal carry without training requirements, without reporting to the district that they're concealed carrying. They wouldn't have to tell. They'd be like every other person

043that can now, as of tomorrow morning, walk into our schools and or into our school events or sporting events with a gun in their in their purse or behind their, you know, on their back or wherever they conceal it. But that all that starts as of tomorrow. There's nothing we can do about it. And Trusty Burton, I appreciate your numbers and your dissection of the comments we received. It was my impression maybe a lot of the people commenting didn't understand that we have no say in that that the concealed carry happens tomorrow. We we don't change that. All we can do as a board is if we pass a policy set some parameters for our staff and some requirements. Um obviously the statute sets out if we do a policy minimum number of training hours

044that we can um require. And I think that's probably where this conversation may get um lively as we look at an amendment that um I think Trusty Hingle, was it your amendment that you um that was sent out to us today? Um, but I want everybody in the public to keep in mind that this is this is not something that the LCSD1 board just thought might be a fun thing to debate and try to put into place for our school district. If id had my brothers, I mean, I I actually am not opposed to staff concealed carrying. I think there will be um a lot of merits and maybe safety for our kids um having an armed person possibly closer to the to the scene than a law enforcement that has to travel five, six,

045even seven minutes to get to the school. Um I guess before the legislative session started, I never dreamt that that the public would be concealed carrying in our schools and that that would that would be part of this. you know, you've heard the arguments about teachers being armed and the the concealed carry for teachers, but um I think it really it changes things knowing that it's it's everybody that's over the age of 21. Um not students, but anybody over the age of 21 can can conceal carry. So, a few of the questions that I there's more than a few, sorry. Um, one of the issues that came up, um, was employees with substance abuse issues. Um, and so I'm not asking whether or not we change the policy to put a requirement for drug testing

046in, but do we as an employer ever require random drug testing of our employees? Um, Madame Chair, there is within your policy um, random drug testing for essentially the transportation staff. Um, so and then there's some testing requirements for any um, accidents. So after the fact um, accidents involving vehicles, um, heavy equipment, those would also be subject to um, drug and alcohol testing. So it's it's pretty much limited. The random is um limited to employees who are driving school district vehicles. Um and then um mandatory testing for those who are involved in any type of an accident. Okay. Um and then thinking on that accident and the mandatory time for that drug and alcohol testing after the accident, is that the eight hours that we've mirrored in this draft policy or is it different than

047eight hours? Uh, Madam Chair, I don't know that number off the top of my head. Um, I can probably look and find that for you, but I I believe that the um requirements are are kind of as soon as practicable after an accident occurs um for those involving um district vehicles, but I can I can double check on that. There was a concern in at least one of the comments about um that perhaps eight hours after an accidental dischar a discharge of a firearm that eight hours might be too long. Um so I just was hoping that we're consistent across policy with um with that window. Um, and then there was a question and I believe I know the answer to this, but I would like to ask it because other people in the community

048don't. Um, and I'm not sure that our draft policy um maybe it says it I but who will know what staff and volunteers with this policy if it passes, who will know which staff and volunteers are carrying? who will have access to that information. Um, Madame Chair, um, you know, it's it's an interesting question because there's a previous, um, iteration of statute that clearly said that the names of of staff who who are approved by the school board to concealed carry are confidential and would not be subject. Um, that language didn't make it over into this new version of statute. Um, and so there's at least arguably a question on whether or not any type of list would be considered a public record. So we would con keep the list as confidential as possible under

049the law. Um, you know, I think that there's a good argument to be made that the safety and security of both the buildings and staff would be at risk. Um, and so it would not be subject to a public records request. Um the intent is to keep it on an need to know basis not a everyone knows um that who is carrying within a school and I think that's why it's limited to uh the superintendent having the access to that information or the designate but it would be locked down um pretty tightly beyond that beyond who who actually is in a position that they need to know that an individual. Okay. Um, one other point that I might make, um, that previous version of statute also allowed for disclosure to local law enforcement. Again, that's

050not something that's in this piece of the policy. And so, we've contemplated asking employees to voluntarily provide that information to local law enforcement so that they at least have an idea of who is um carrying appropriately or or under the policy. if um they happen to get called into um into a school. We had comments um and I've heard over the last few months folks who don't, you know, say, "I don't want my kid in a classroom where the teacher has a gun." But I would think that um maintaining that confidentiality for our staff and volunteers would also be a safety measure for them um so that they're not picked out because they're choosing to exercise a right they've been given under state statute. Um okay, we had a comment as well about um or

051maybe more than one about holster requirements. Um our policy, this draft policy does not read that. It was a little vague that the gun either has to be on your person or in this locked box. Um, but are there are there things that we could do to tighten up any language about a type of holster or a locked holster or was there was that a consideration in drafting this? Um, Madame Chair, again, when we look at the previous um version of the statute and and the current version, there was a lot of discretion that was taken out. Um, and really the rules and regulations that you're allowed to um implement are are related to training um the curriculum and and the instructor qualifications. So um whether or not you can dictate um type of holster

052type of ammunition, those types of things, I think is is questionable under the law at the very least um and potentially would go beyond what the legislature delegated the authority to do. Um and so that's why it was not included. Um, again, that is part of most um and actually part of your training requirements is training specifically on appropriate holsters and appropriate concealed carry and appropriate ammunition. Um, so you would hope that your individuals who have gone through um the training, who have who have completed it successfully, would um abide by those training requirements, but I'm um it was not included uh as a requirement under the rule. Okay. Thank you. Um then moving on to just a couple things about training requirements um in that funding. There was some criticism that we don't list

053organizations who are allowed to um provide the instruction or to provide the the training that we're you know have detailed what it would cover. Um why do we not have some approved organizations for that? Um madam chair again that I think was an intentional uh omission. um staff are free to find the training um wherever they they can. Um and you know there's also a concern about if you if the district says these individuals are approved to provide this training um that there could be um sort of a an acceptance that this is the training and this is um you know our training and and so it's a way to provide a little bit of arms length on here's what we expect the training to include and who you receive that from is you know

054your choice. um given that you know we're not requiring the district that doesn't require staff to to carry um doesn't require um apart from you know these general curriculum topics doesn't require any specific type of training. So it allows staff to have the freedom to choose um where and who they get that training from. Okay. Thank you. Um, one concern that that resonated with me, um, guess because I've had the same concern, but that was just, and maybe this is more of a just a statement than a question, but does this policy deter our employees and staff from legally concealing concealed carrying on school property? Um, and if if in what we've set out in a policy we don't have to have if in the requirements we've set out um are we risking violating stat

055state statute or facing legal challenges? I I believe in crafting and doing the language that you've tried to be very careful about um making it bulletproof. Sorry, Madam Chair. Yeah. So, we took a really hard look at what the specific language of the statute allowed for. Um, and so the areas that you have discretion as a board are relate to the curriculum and training qualifications. Um, that's where we worked with law enforcement um and staff to figure out what what that should look like and that's where we went. So, we tried to keep it as closely tied to the statute um as possible. There was a suggestion in the comments that we um change the wording and I sorry I didn't write down where in the policy but that funding may be available to support

056teachers and staff training subject to legislative appropriations. um would adding something that because if you think about the the number of hours whether it's what's currently in the draft policy or it's what Trusty Hinkle has proposed or what other districts are doing the cost of that training for an employee may be pretty high. Um, so would we, if legislation, if something were to change next year and the legislature said, "Here's all this money to do all these things and support what what we, you know, made you put into policy, would we need woulding like that help now or would we just revisit this policy once money was available?" Um, Madame Chair, I would I would suggest that waiting um would probably be um advisable. um you know, if the legislature were to appropriate additional funding,

057um I would imagine that there would likely be some sort of um not strings, but some some sort of parameters around what you could request it for. And so we would want to make sure that our policy um and rule lined up closely to to the legislative intent there. And if we put something in um now that said you know if it becomes available there could be um you know confusion you know because as Mr. Cigarelli said there is currently some a small pot pot of money um that the department has um is going to start um releasing to school districts for reimbursements. Um but even with that it's unclear exactly what all qualifies for reimbursement. Okay. So, I would suggest waiting um and see what the legislature does next year. Makes sense. Thank you.

058Um and I just just have two more things. Um not everybody's been on the board long enough to remember this, but back during COVID, um we chose to mask our students for a while. And as a board, we were told repeatedly that to face legal challenges or to um you know, if if if a child died or a grandparent died and we ended up in court over it, um that we would always have to be able to say or that it would always be helpful to say we listen to the experts. We trusted the expert advice and we deferred to their advice. And that was I was a brand new board member and that was beat into me that you listen to the experts. Um so you know it's interesting how that comes around because

059now we have a policy or we have a a a law that's going into effect tomorrow um that lays out if we choose to create a policy minimum training requirements. Um and I know Miss Polly that you and Dr. Newton and others have been in touch with our um well with Mr. a quarter and with local law enforcement um about their feelings regarding this policy and the training requirements. And my understanding is and actually the policy says I had it underlined um that we would defer to local law enforcement or after consultation with local law enforcement. That's not the policy. I'm sorry that's the law. Um so in consultation with our experts in this matter if if we're going to rely on what we were told and of the direction we went during co um

060with trusting the experts what do the experts say about the training requirements we have in this um madam chair and he is still sitting in the back I would defer uh to Sergeant Pete who is the sergeant over the school resource officers for the district and he and Mr. Deorter I know have had several conversations so I wouldn't want to speak for him but if he wouldn't mind speaking or Mr. Deorter um on local law enforcement I think that Thank you. Thank you gentlemen. Sorry if that I hope that doesn't put you on the spot. Thank you Madam Chair. Um so talking with the Mr. the porter and this is kind of just 25 years of law enforcement experience speaking not an official stance of the Cheyenne Police Department. Training is more of a mindset.

061Uh you get the basic functions of using the firearm and things like that to where you will satisfactory meet the requirements for the concealed carry. Um, so as far as like an official view, I think you can probably I mean it's it's sufficient to to do the training that you guys have listed. Um, do you want to weigh on it? The only part uh, Madam Chair, member of the board, trustees, Dr. Newton is we're in the infancy stage, I think, as a nation even in terms of what this looks like. And so having some good criteria that at least we can start off with and then I think we have to take a wait and see uh in terms of what's working and what isn't working and adopt best practices. So that's what I'll be

062looking at as we go down this path is you know how is it being implemented at other districts and what can we take away from that in order for us to improve our process if that makes sense. Thank you. Thank you both. Do you have anything else? No, just make sure questions. Um, anybody else have questions for them while they're up? Oh, we might have another question. No. Okay, never mind. No, maybe not. No. Um, question for a long time. So, I I guess I'd just like to um I mean, we we really had some great things come up during public comment. Um I think we as a board have have tried to flesh out some tough things with this, too. Um and I guess as as citizens, our our best thing is to, you

063know, if you don't like something, then you start talking to your legislators. um they'll start meeting again at the beginning of 2026. Um but maybe we push harder for funding for lock boxes in every classroom or funding for those educational requirements for our staff or funding for insurance premium increases. Um so I think there's a lot of advocacy that can be done. Um even though right now we've got to make the most of what's in front of us and and put something in place. But I would like to thank um everyone who took the time to public to give us public comment. Um to Dr. Newton and Amy and your teams and all the folks in the district, Mr. Sarelli who weighed in, Mr. Porter. Um thank you guys for putting this together. Um not

064because we wanted to, but because we we had to do something. So that's it for my comments. I probably won't even say anything else. But are there any other questions you guys have or comments before we move into any amendments or voting? Trustee um ask the other hand up first. Yes. So um I wanted to you had gone down the road of the reporting. There was also a comment on um and I had I just had it up now. Where did I go? The dance. No. So, it had to do with um we have articulated in the policy that I had up and is now gone. Um that uh if a concealed firearm is discharged on school district property for any reason, then there will be reporting that lays out the how that happens. There

065was a comment, at least one comment that asked, um what if there is another accident that is not a discharge with the gun? I left it someplace, it fell on the floor, it became visible. You know, should there be a requirement for reporting for a nondischarge accident? Do we have any thoughts on that? That's a good question. Um, Madame Chair, Trustee Ashby, um, I'm trying to pull up where we had So, I think that part of um part of of those types of situations when it's not a discharge, but when it's, you know, you're not concealed carrying, you're not um your firearm is is, you know, left openly on a desk or um you know in a bathroom, right? So all of those would also be violations of policy and your current um human resources

066rules um would uh allow you to address all of those on an individual basis. I think really the point and I can't for the life of me find it but is part of that if if there is a discharge then there is that drug testing requirement. Um, and that's that's why that piece was put in there specifically. But again, I think any violation of this policy, just like any violation of any other policy, um, would be subject to disciplinary action. Um, and depending on the type of of action and could be anywhere from a private reprimand up to uh, a recommendation for termination. So, um, I think that's already covered. I think that it was included. So, that that drug and alcohol testing piece would be in that. Does that answer your question? Yep. Trusty

067Cook. Um, yes. I had a couple questions. Um, other districts have been brave enough to do the random drug tests and I think that would be a really important part to policy. Um, another thought when uh, Trustee um, Smith when you were talking about other people carrying into concealed carry into a school, um, Dr. Newton had mentioned that most people are backed in the office. So, I feel badly for the secretaries because they're the ones that are going to have to deal with this, but we don't have people just wandering in the halls. So, I think that people in the community wandering with concealed carry would probably be ones that would be staying in the office and not in the hallways. And with an accidental discharge, are parents notified about this? Um, Madame Chair, Trustee

068Cook, so we would follow our normal kind of procedures for notification of what type of event um at the school. So, um, you know, we receive Remind messages anytime the school would go into a lockdown or a hold. Um, now we'll be using parent squared, but I would assume that a a similar um notification would would go out to parents um in those situations as well. Thank you. And then another question I did have was um one person commented they said if a person that was a guest at a dance and they weren't a student in the school district but they were a guest could they conceal carry if they were old enough? Um and Madam Chair, Trusty Cook. So yes, if they were um 21 and a concealed carry holder and they were a

069guest, um that would be allowable just as in the other member of the public who has a concealed carry permit who would be coming in. Um Dr. Newton, I think, has additional information on that piece. Yes. Um, Madam Chair, Trusty Cook, um, that is not to say that we are required to allow adults to be guests at our dances for any reason. And so, um, part of our conversation with principles in the fall will be thinking through, um, and maybe putting on paper what are the requirements in order to be a guest at a dance. I know my daughter had a guest at a dance and they had to fill out paperwork. They had to prove with her ID and I'm not sure what the if every school has the same requirements at this point

070or not, but that will be on the agenda for our first academic council. U but I think it's important to remember we are not obliged to allow adults to come to our high school dances. Okay. And a couple other things, um, with all due respect, a wait and see, um, makes me sad when we're dealing with students. A wait and see is not okay when we have, um, kids that might be in harm's way due to a gun. So, um, I'd like to be proactive and not reactive in a situation. And another thing that this policy doesn't deal with, and I this is I guess concealed carry, is the superintendent knows about the concealed carry, but the people that are in charge of the buildings, the principles don't know which teachers have a a gun

071and they're responsible for everything that goes on in that building. Yet, they don't know that one of their employees is carrying a gun. And that doesn't seem real safe. And I have la two last things to say. One comment was they were hope uh one of the teachers was hopeful that um conferences could be done via Zoom because they would be concerned about being in the presence of a a parent that might conceal carry. So I hope that we might be able to address that concern of that um employee. And then lastly, I'm going to be bold enough to say that I would I would venture to say that most school district employees are not in favor of House Bill 172. They believe that this makes their job less safe and more difficult. And I'm

072here to to listen and to back to be to make sure that children are safe and that our employees are safe. and this policy, this bill does not does not do anything for that. And that's why I'm an advocate of more training. Thank you, Trusty Burton. Um, first a comment, um, as I was reading, you had, um, concerns about substance use or abuse. um Wyoming statute 86-8-104 um because in my mind if some stuff is in law then we don't have to put it in a policy because you can't do it anyway. Um so you have to be 21, you can't suffer from a physical infirmity that prevents safe handling of a firearm. um has not been committed to a state or federal facility for abuse of a controlled substance within a year. Um there's,

073you know, Wyoming controlled felony violations, misdemeanor violations. Um does not chronically or habitually use alcohol lur malted beverages to the extent that his normal his or her normal facilities are impaired. It should be presumed that an applicant chronically abuses alcohol. So those folks are not if if you have a substance problem, you cannot have a firearm anyway. So that maybe a known a known a known problem. Um anyway, so there is that. And then as we're um we're talking about training and we're very concerned about the safety of our kiddos. Um and you know, sorry to my 18-year-old uh high school seniors who are legally adults. We're talking about you too, but we're we're we're concerned about the safety of our students. I don't know if the policy is the right place for this and

074maybe it goes would be better under curriculum and instruction. If we're adding guns to the school, can we add gun safety training to the curriculum? I have subbed in a PE class at the elementary school where they're doing archery training and so maybe an hour or two of you know don't don't look I mean loaded or unloaded your barrel has to be not pointed at something unless you're willing to destroy it or all of those things and I'm not going to um talk to that but is training our students something that we should be considering as well so that we're not, oh, somebody left this out. Let's pick it up and, oh, let's play, you know, cops and robbers and accidentally hurting somebody. And at the elementary level, if I was doing firearms training, we

075would be using Nerf guns, so nobody would be getting hurt um in my brain. and little boys are gonna have Nerf wars anyway. Um because that's what little boys do. Um so that was my other question. And then um because we're talking about additional training for clarification, I think I understand this as I read this law. An initial training, initial course of training comprised of not less than 16 hours of live fire training, eight hours of scenario-based and um at least 12 additional hours. Um adding to that would not be a violation of the statute. Is that correct? Um Madame Chair, Trustee Burton. Yeah. the the statute sets the floor um of the kind of minimum training um hours and the the board could choose um again in consultation with local law enforcement to increase

076those or change, you know, add additional curriculum pieces to that. Okay? because I think it also, you know, lists some awesome things like um here's how much time if you violate this and violate people's guns laws, here's how here's what your fine can be and here's how much time you can spend in jail. Um uh yeah, so you could be in prison for not more than a year and a fine of not more than $2,000. And um so yeah, I don't want to do anything. I don't think any of us want to be doing anything that would land us in jail. I have better things to do than so. Thank you, uh Trusty Cook or um Trusty Smith for Chairman Smith for your question on verifying that our policy is in line um with the

077state statute. Thank you, Trusty Hinko. Chairman Smith. Um, just a couple things. So, the question about the admin regulations was one of the questions I had. Um, and um, we don't often see admin regulations once they're written, but I would request that we be in consultation with these so that we know what those admin rags are um, as we were with the with the book policies. So, um, I hope that's not anything out of line. Um, another question that was brought up is how will law enforcement know if somebody has a gun in the hallway of a school? How will they know whether that's the good guy or the bad guy? Um, how do we protect those teachers from being shot by law enforcement? Um, I think that's a good um question, especially since, you

078know, uh, it's going to be private information, I guess. um and how will that person then leave their classroom full of kids to go help with this and who's going to be watching their kids? I mean, these are questions that are super important for the safety of not only the teacher, but the kids. So, I hope those types of things will be in those regulations. You know, I hope we say to a teacher, just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can abandon your kids in a classroom. Um, and so I hope those things are addressed. I also think given the vast number of teachers, prior teachers, current teachers, the number of teachers that we had that said they're leaving the district because of this policy, the number of teachers who are leaving the

079state and taking their kids um out of the state because they don't want to be somewhere where guns are allowed in school. I hope we really take those teacher concerns to heart that we increase training as they have asked. the W the WA and the um CCTA have asked us to increase training. Um I think we owe teachers that they are going to be the ones dealing with this on a day-to-day basis. So I think we owe teachers to follow some of their requests. And the other thing is the parent teacher conferences allowing those to be um on Zoom or not in per pe not in face-toface contact um because of fears that one of the if a parent gets mad that they'll pull a gun on them. So um I hope we take all

080those fears to heart. These are this is their job. This is their life on the line could be. So, I hope we take those to heart with these uh votes. And I would respectfully request to move the motion to increase training requirements. The amendment, sorry, to increase training requirements. Are you wanting to stop all discussion right now then and move on to that amendment? Well, discussion about the amendment. I know. Can we Yep. I mean, you've you've had your second go at comments, so maybe we could that's fine. Do that in just a minute. Trusty Ashby, did you have anything else on this? No. Okay. Trusty Class. Okay. Trusty Humphrey. Okay. Um, I just had one question, um, as a just spurred by what Trusty Hankle just asked, but do we have any information on

081teachers or families who are leaving our district because of the state's decision on guns in schools? Have you even just anecdotal data? Do you have anything to support that people are leaving in droves because the state is allowing this now? Excuse me, Madam Chair. I I personally have not had anyone reach out and say that to me. However, um we are in the very interesting place right now where our previous HR director has um is now off contract and our new one starts tomorrow. So, I'm unable to speak to whether um she has heard that. if she had heard that, she didn't pass it along to me. So, I can't speak for her, but I have not. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, we have a motion to um approve this policy. Um do we have

082we've had some discussion. Are there um chairman any a minute? Oh, yes. Can we how likely is it? I mean, can we go down and actually discuss? Yes, I'd be willing to do more training. No, I'm I I've heard it from some, but I guess I um I don't understand why we can't just discuss. Well, I think we need the amendment. We need we need the um amendment proposed and seconded and then we can have discussion on it. Okay. Thank you. Trusty Clawson, did you have something to say? Yeah. Um, Madam Chair, I was just putting up my fingers to remind you that we needed a second on the amendment. Well, let's Yeah. Would you mind to repeat your um your motion? Yes. Um, thank you, Madam Chairman. Um, I would like to um to

083move an amendment to this policy that changes the training um hours um and uses the um Albany County training hours which is 47 of the live training um 16 hours of scenario 15 hours based and 18 hours of recurrent training all for both employees and volunteers. I'll second it. Okay. So, we have a motion in a second to increase the draft roles training requirements. Um changing the um initial training course from 16 hours to 47 hours of live fire handgun training and changing the um proposed hours of scenario-based training uh to 16 hours. And then to change the recurrent training from uh not less than 12 hours each year um to not less than 18 hours of each year. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Um do we

084have any discussion on this proposed amendment to the policy? I will just reiterate if that's okay, Chairman Smith, that um this came to us as a request from many teachers that have commented as well as the CTA um and the WA recommends this as well. So, this is not I mean these hours sound crazy um but this is something that came to us as strongly requested by many teachers. I will just add in that there were several comments within these um comments on this that said they teachers are leaving. So we do have some information that some teachers are definitely leaving. The president of the CTA told me he personally heard of four just within the last month um that are leaving specifically for this. So it is happening. Okay. Trusty Humphrey. So, I try

085to articulate my thoughts here in a in a in a good way. It's already off not off to a good start. Um, I think that the change from 16 to 47 is drastic. Um, I think that if we have teachers that are going to conceal carry to ask them to do 16, 8, and 12 is already asking a lot um of their of their additional time. And if so, if they're going to do that, they're obviously passionate about concealed carrying and they're going to be safe about it. Um, I think that we have to keep in mind as a board that we're not just saying that anybody can carry a gun. I mean, we are only allowed to propose regulation and rules for staff and volunteers. Um, and so already telling a teacher, hey, so

086and so can come to a basketball game carrying just with their concealed carry permit, whereas we're requiring you to have 16, 8, and 12. So I think that um the number I I stand by my comment that I am comfortable um with agreeing with our experts on um the number of training hours required. Um I would also just kind of like to pose the argument that if we have teachers leaving because of gun presence in the schools, how is upping the requirement going to change the fact that there's still going to be guns in the schools. we're just going to have more rigorous training for those who want to carry. Um, so I I don't know that that really has a ton of merit because I think they're going to be leaving regardless. And I

087mean, same for wanting conferenced in or Zoom um conferences. I mean, regardless of how much training the indivi the individual may have, if a person's not comfortable around a gun, a person's not comfortable around a gun. Um, so that's all I have. Trusty Cook. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman Smith. Um, to answer you, Trust Trustee Humphrey, um, more rigorous training would be that there would be individuals that could handle situations, challenging situations a bit better. if the training is more rigorous. Um perhaps you'll see if you volunteer in your your little kindergartenner's classroom this coming year, it can get chaotic. Classrooms can. And so for a teacher, I can't imagine any teacher, as uh Trusty Hinkle was saying, would leave their class in order to seek a gunman. I I I would never and I

088can't imagine any teacher leaving their class. So, but it it can get chaotic and if they're concealed carrying and you're doing some activity and it can be so I would think more training would make um people be able to handle a gun in more challenging situations. Um would so you you um Trusty Hinkle have I mean Humphrey have really stated that you're going to stick by the original policies. Is there any discussion from anybody that would be willing to up the training? Maybe not as high as 47, but I'm I'm interested if anybody would be willing to Obviously, we are because we motion. I'm sorry, we can't hear you down here. Yes, obviously we are because we motioned. Um, Madam Chair, I have a question. And, um, since Trusty Ashby has a printed copy, there

089were other numbers in there. Um, I did read a lot of Albany County at the the numbers that, um, Trusty Hinkle proposed. Um, oh, oh, that's some for my neighbor, Trusty Cook. It looks like Campbell County has um 24 hours alive, eight hours scenario, four hours life-saving medical care, and 12 hours recurrent current. Nrona is at or 40, sorry, 40 16 with eight of that being medical and then 16 recurring. Albany County is at 47 livefire, 16 scenario, and 18 recurrent. So, those are some other um numbers out there. And uh Trusty Cook on her number chart here, she says her initial request was 24, 16, and 12. So, there's some other numbers. Um I was just wondering what they were, so I just read them off. All right. Anybody else who has not talked

090about this proposed amendment, we speak to it? Um, I think the jump from um 16 to 47 is also quite high when they're doing um continued education. Um and I think as I was stumbling because I was looking for this year's number, I think well and AI is sometimes helpful and sometimes not. Um, but I think they it looks like in 2024, um, they ran this bill. I was looking for the numbers in it and then the governor voted it or vetoed it. Um, so as this bill has passed the state legislature twice, which means passing committees, whichever side it starts in, passing three votes on each side, passing committees on the other side, passing three more votes. Um, part of me just would like to lean and trust with all of this discussion at

091the state legislature and how crazy that some of those conversations can be. I'd like to just trust our state legislature for these these 16, 8, and 12. Um, and then as we find if it works or doesn't work, um, maybe adjust them somewhere down the road just because we're, like we said, we're overburdening our teachers. They're exhausted. They're doing continuing education to renew their teaching certification every five years. They got families. They've got lives. Um, yeah. and and I don't if if people are so adverse to uh this um gun policy, I I don't really see that there will be a whole lot of staff and volunteers that will be carrying anyway. Thank you. I'll just reiterate, number one, nobody's requiring teachers to do this. This is their own valition. Number two, that is a

092minimum level of requirement. Is that what you want? The minimum level of requirement for our children. Is that what you want for the other teachers in our district when they have been begging us to increase the training? Do you want to just ignore them completely? Is that what we want to do? Um, I really think, you know, if anyone here feels that 47 is too much, propose something else. But we need to listen to our teachers. We need to listen to our community. We need to increase the above the minimum required. It's our children. We need to have more than the minimum requirement for our children. Madam Chair, yeah, Trusty Clson. Madam Chair, I just want to comment on that. Um what Trusty Hinkle just emphasized. Um, you know, I I said it before, but

093good people can disagree on different issues and and our um the folks that we asked in our community that are in our police force and even on our own staff and do security um that committee, they came up with these numbers. And this is an annual requirement for our teachers. And um it's not that they thought, well, let's do let's do the very bare minimum like um like Trusty Burden mentioned just a minute ago. There's been a lot of discussion on this issue in our state for a long time and I think that what we have proposed in this policy has been thought through very carefully. Now, folks want to raise the numbers and and require more hours, but remember remember um just to our public that we don't have to have any hours of

094requirements. We're already requiring training on an annual basis. Um that is privately funded by the individual who chooses to get that training and concealed carry in our buildings. And those individuals would be only employees or volunteers, just to be clear. Um, but this is not a bare minimum. The bare minimum would be doing nothing. We have a policy where we're proposing annual training for our employees and volunteers. So, I think that we need to be clear when we're talking about this issue, regardless of our point of view, that it's not the bare minimum. It's actually we're we're taking a step to um put policy in place that requires something of our employees and our volunteers who decide to conceal carry and it's at their expense at their personal expense. Um I had just a couple

095of things. Um you know we have for discussion tonight we've cited what other districts are doing and what their policy says. And I'd like to point out that there are aside from those districts in the state who have chosen to do nothing, there are a very small handful that have actually passed a policy. So when you're referring to policies that they have passed, they're not policies yet. They're in draft form. Uh Jackson did pass a policy with with high numbers, but my understanding from reading about that today was that they will be revisiting whatever they just did in late July. Um, Sweetwater One passed a policy on June 24th. Um, I had asked Miss Polly which districts had finalized all that and um, that was a big ask, but she got me a long list

096of districts. Um, I don't know how many, 30ome I think. Um, and those were the only two out of all of those that have any finalized policy. So to defer to what other districts have done in policy is is not accurate. Um so I I I mean it's great they're talking about it, but what their final policy ends up saying um would it it's still left to be determined. Um, and I would say as a board, um, there were only a few of us on the board at that time, but it's quite hypocritical if we say on one issue, let's trust the experts, and then on another issue, we say, well, I think this number sounds good. I mean, what does the CTA know about gun numbers? Maybe they know a lot, but I would

097trust that legislators that did the research and move this forward probably are in consultation. I actually I know for a fact they're in consultation with a number of gun groups and gun safety and there there's a lot of work that goes into even passing a law. There's a lot of um information gathering that goes into crafting legislation and looking at the whatifs and the numbers and um I I just if you want to trust the experts on masking our kids during CO then I think you need to trust our local experts and our those who are making the laws for the state when they say that this this number would be sufficient as I think uh trust Trustee Clawson pointed out, we don't, our minimum is actually zero. We don't have to do any of

098this. We could say right now, you know what, I I'm not passing this policy if we had the votes. We could we could start tomorrow um with no policy in place at all and no training requirements. So, we're not at a bare minimum. We're at the suggested number and we're at a number I'm almost done. We're at a number that our local law enforcement um has indicated they are comfortable with and feels is sufficient. Trusty Cook. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Chair. When you know better, you do better. So for you to say we've done this before, let's do it again to me does not make sense because more training makes more sense to me so people would be more agile and be able to handle a gun better. Um, so what about the hund and

099some comments that were brought in? So those that are going to stick with the original policy, you're just going to throw away all those comments that people had had um took the time to um address and tell us. I mean, to me, it almost seemed like a 45day comment period is silly because they the their comments aren't heated. Well, there there were actually a lot of comments that dealt with things other than the training hours, but most of the training hours cited, Barb, were what you proposed at our last meeting when we discussed this and put it out for 45day review. And several of them even referenced that you had proposed those and they agreed with you. So, I don't know that I I don't know all those people obviously that made that public comment,

100but my guess is that that number sounded good and so some folks possibly were just in agreement with you that a higher number sounds really good and landed where you landed with it. I I don't know. I' I've certainly I spent a lot of time with that public comment, but I will defer to the experts on my thoughts about required training. And I do appreciate you that you read through all I've read all of them several times. Me too. But again, if we do not heed with what they said to those that are continuing to to remain with the bare minimum, to me bare minimum is not okay for kids. Bare minimum is zero. Bare minimum is what's the minimum requirement from the statute. That's what we have adopted. So that's the bare minimum. We

101can't go back and say we can't have guns, but they said this is the minimum training and that's what we've gone with. Go ahead. Yeah, trust. Um, so the the minimum, if I understand correctly, is if we do not pass a policy tomorrow, anybody with a concealed carry can carry on school property, staff, volunteers, anybody because we are not regulating it. There's nothing in policy saying they have to have any amount of training. They just have to have a concealed carry. So the bare minimum would be us not doing anything, not passing anything, and just saying it's the law. Let the law be the law. Whatever. Us putting in tw 16 8 and 12 is us doing more than the bare minimum. And it's going to I'm going to stop before I get heated. Anybody

102else like to comment on training requirements? Uh, Madame Chair, um, would it be possible to have our, um, law enforcement officer just kind of walk through and just explain training and what that looks like and um, all of those things because I feel I mean, I've done some firearm stuff because I was in the military. I got to go out to the range like once every three or four years. Um, but I don't know enough to I guess maybe I'd just like some more information from from law enforcement perspective if that is okay. If he's willing to to come back up. Sure. Thank you. Madam Chair, board of trustees. So I definitely understand the concern for the more training. I do not dispute that the more you can get the better. I caught myself originally

103with a mindset. Um my thought process is and this is me individually with like I said 25 years of doing this job is if someone is confronted with a situation there's going to be a mindset component not necessarily a training component. Um, you can look around on YouTube and all these things. You see officers that get a lot of firearm training that when they're confronting with these types of situations that a lot of times they fail to act and they get hurt. Um, you have to start somewhere with the baseline training, firearms familiarization, a live shooting course to make sure that you can in fact handle the gun that you choose to purchase. A lot of people go out there and start firing that gun and they realize that, hey, this firearm is not for

104me and they have to change u you know the firearm. But I think you have you do have to start somewhere. Um my perspective as the SRO sergeant with my SRO's in the school that and I would defer to Mr. reporter for this. But in the event an emergency lockdown that they wouldn't deviate from training that they have done for years, that they would get in their classrooms, protect their children, and only resort to a firearm if someone made it past the locked classroom door and let us deal with it. some concerns that have come up with, you know, how would we identify my SRO's and I know the majority of the staffs in the school wouldn't be an issue with us, but like we were all talking about the mass, you know, mass uh

105swarm of law enforcement from game and fish to highway patrol to DCI sheriff's department. There's a lot of people that are showing up. Uh when I ran the incidents at East the lockdown, they were very real incident. The only thing it didn't have was a shooter, but we had Homeland Security show up. We had the sheriff's department, Game and Fish, obviously us. And it was easier for them to protect their children in their classroom and go with the standard protocols for emergencies that they let us deal with. I would like to think, you know, me personally, that resorting to the farm use by a staff member is when someone has made it past all points. Um, but like I said earlier, but I stopped myself with a mindset. You also have to be willing to

106do that. You can't train someone to deal with a situation. You can train proficient use. um you know these situations there like I said you look at some of these officers and I I encourage you go home and watch you'll see where there a lot of times there's a and they'll say it's kind of a failure to act um because that mindset you know getting involved in a critical incident is a is a huge thing so I would encourage as the SRO sergeant along with my SRO's that they continue to do the safety protocols that they've been trained on for uh when the lockdowns go into effect and that's like I said that would be a last resort thing and let us deal with it because we do have the SRO in the school um

107you have to start somewhere with the training is the thing you have to figure out where it is um anybody that's done any type of training it it's training can be tedious it can be rewarding as well so um I would encourage I mean like like I think several of you all have addressed. You have to have a baseline and start somewhere and maybe build off it. I think it was you, Trusty Burton, that had mentioned that. Um because how receptive will they be to it? So, I mean, you you do have to look at those components of training. Do you want to weigh in on the lockdowns? And well, I'll just let you roll with me. Yeah, Madam Chair, board trustees, Dr. Newton. I think um from a training perspective as we look at

108this um the hours that the law has presented us unfortunately they negated to provide us what they thought those hours should look like. And so we did the research and when I looked at our policy I looked at the criteria of what that training will require which is also which is listed in our policies. There are 15 items that are listed through review with law enforcement. We did not identify any other area that we felt needed to be addressed. Um, and when we go back and look and and kind of say, okay, it's been a year or two years. There's something else that we should add. And I do believe our policy says less than 16 hours. So we could eventually I imagine add additional requirements that a trainer would say well this is now

109going to take 20 hours for us to meet the new criteria listed within the policy. So going back I don't get caught up so much with the hours so much as I get caught up on what are the training objectives and what are we trying to accomplish and what is the appropriate number of hours to meet that. Are there any questions? I just have one question. Um, in either or personal opinion, is more training better or less? The more training you can get will always improve, but you have to have you definitely have to have a baseline to start. Absolutely. Trusty Burton. Um, uh, Madam Chair, so what you said like made me think that we're not training teachers to we don't want them leaving the classroom of their kiddos who might be five or

11018 terrified, but that they're they're in lockdown in their room. They're not running around the building, you know, playing G.I. or cop trying to get the bad guy. They're literally I'm at the door, it's locked. If someone comes through, I take them out to protect my where 16 hours of training, you come through that door and you won't be testifying against me in court. Correct. Is that kind of where where law enforcement is thinking about that perspective? is just that line of defense if they if they the bad guy gets to the door before in that five to seven minutes before you can show up in the building depending upon Madam Chair Trusty Burden what I would advise is definitely for school officials to stick with the training that they have. I can't tell people

111whether to act or not and I can't it's not an indicator if they can act. Um, you know, that's more of a probably you or Miss Paulie. I would tell them to absolutely follow their training for years with a lockdown. If they hear the lockdown, go into the lockdown and if they feel that they need to act to protect themselves, I mean, they have the right under Wyoming law to protect themselves with self-defense. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. Um, Dr. Newton, I just had one question thinking about the training. Um, you know, we often when we pass policy as a board, um, we pass the policy, but then our district administration figures out how exactly they implement that. And there's trainings for our administrators, there's trainings for staff. there there's a ripple effect once the

112policy is put into place then and they take it and run with it. So, Dr. Newton. Um I know you you and your staff probably have not made a lot of plans um until this policy is passed or not passed, but would there be um would there be conversations before school starts with our our folks out in the district about what this looks like and and how we how we expect our employees to implement it? Madam Chair, yes, thank you for the question. Um we've already had some conversations with our summer school principles because summer school will is in session and will be before u we can't think of the start of the year as just being late August. Um we had a number of what if kinds of questions. We tried to give um

113the best answers we were able to knowing that the definition of an emergency is it's highly unpredictable. Um the to echo the the gentleman's u comments there, it is absolutely my expectation that whether somebody is concealed carrying or not as a staff member or volunteer that they follow our lockdown procedures. Um which would not mean that they are roaming the halls. They are seeking shelter as well as um um taking care of those kids in that moment. So none of this would um create an alternative um expectation of how we would expect staff to behave in a lockdown situation. However, some of the particulars um I think one question or comment came up earlier. Um what if somebody begins their day concealed carrying and then the weapon is exposed? How do we deal with that?

114Um those are conversations that um we are thinking about but it's a bit premature until we see exactly what policy this board may choose to pass um before we know exactly what we are writing those procedures around. And so we've certainly been thought thinking a lot about this. But as far as the firm answers, um, we out of respect for your work in passing policy, we'll wait until we see exactly what is passed by this board. Thank you. All right. Anybody else? We've got a motion and a second um to amend the number of training hours. Any other conversation on that? Trusty Humphrey. Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a comment. Um, it's been insinuated and maybe not even insinuated, but just said that because I'm not for upping the amount of required hours, um, that

115I don't care about the safety of our students and our teachers and that I didn't hear the comments that were sent in. Um, that is absolutely untrue. one of my one of my kids is going to be one of those students next year. So, to say that I don't care about the safety of our kids, um gosh, it's incorrect to say the least. Um and then to say that I don't want to that I don't hear the comment. Majority of this comment was people saying this policy is disgusting. I'm not for this policy. I don't like the fact that guns are going to be in the school. Not all hundred and plus of those comments said uptraining up training up training up training. So I just want to reiterate that I am always putting our

116students and our teachers first and foremost. I care about our teachers. Um me and personally we could do nothing. we could do nothing and tomorrow all teachers, all volunteers, all anybody can carry with a concealed carry permit on school property. So to to say that our teachers are required to do 16,8 and 12 hours of training, I believe is sufficient. And it says not less than and I would just like to echo Mr. Deporta's comment on we're not really looking at hours. We're looking at the criteria of what the training is required. So to say that oh 16 hours isn't enough. will look at the required training. Do you think that there are areas I I so I would I would look at that. Well, I see if you're if you're not comfortable or if

117there's an area we need to add this or we we should have this. We're not requiring lockdown training for our teachers to go in and be the police when there's a scenario. We're I am getting on a tangent. Anyways, thank you Madam Chair. Thank you. Anybody else? Trusty Clson. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to reiterate um what Trusty Humphrey just said. This in no way implies that if I don't vote for the amendment that I don't care about our teachers and our students. Nothing could be farther from the truth. um this is a difference of opinion and uh it's unfortunate that that people might think one way or the other about however we vote, but um there's a lot of legitimate issues that have been spoken here tonight. And I just

118want to convey that I agree with Trustee Humphrey's comments that we are not shifting away from our lockdown policy. We are just putting in place some parameters for those of our staff and our volunteers who will decide to conceal carry. And so I think it's very responsible for us as a district to be doing this, but also to not make it so burdensome on folks that we are um affecting their employment and their salaries and uh things like that. So and their time. Um, so it's it's a it's a judgment call, but I'm choosing to trust the folks in our community um who work in this area of law enforcement and security to trust their opinion. And I really appreciate the comments tonight that were that were spoken by Mr. Deporter that said this is

119more about content and less about how much time it takes to teach that content. It's more about teaching the content. And so I appreciate that and I will be voting against the amendment. Thank you. All right. Well, we have a motion and a second to um increase the training requirements. Um I will only vote as always in case of a tie. Um, so I think for this vote if if you could raise your hand as you say I will make sure we get an accurate count and record of of who has voted. So all in favor of in Madam Chair quick question. We're voting on the amendment of the hours first. Yes. And then once we number of hours then we would go on to the policy. We have to we have to address each

120amendment as it comes up before we can do anything else. All right. Thank you for clarification. So this yeah this is a vote on the amendment to increase the draft rules training requirements um as proposed by trustee HL and written on the paper um that we passed down to you. So, um, all in favor of increasing the draft rules training requirements, please say I and raise your hands. So, we Okay, so we have three in favor of increasing the draft rules training requirements. All those opposed, please say nay and raise your hand. Nay. Okay, so we have three nays on that as well. So um I am not as I said earlier in favor of increasing the training requirements that have been suggested by the experts that we have been advised in the past that

121we should trust. Um I don't claim to know anything about gun training. Um but I certainly trust those who who do and who that that is part of their livelihood and part of their expertise. Um so I am voting nay to increase the draft roles training requirements. So that fails. Do we have any other amendments that anyone would like to make? Trusty Aspbury. Um based on some of the conversation we've had tonight and uh Mr. reporter's discussion on training requirements. Um I would like to propose an amendment that adds um a training requirement under section uh well requirements for concealed carry by employees and volunteers. section B 1 B with either an expansion of or addition to number seven or six or seven. um that we add language similar to the requirement hours of I

122believe it was Campbell County around training in um emergency life-saving medical life-saving medical um care care clarifying sure so just to clarify you're wanting to state a number of hours no I want to add a require requirement that the training the training include um not just stop the bleed but lifesaving medical care. I believe that item number gosh is that six not just okay but then maybe the removal of just gunshot victims so that it's broader than just being shot 1B6 says certified training in immediate life-saving medical care for gunshot victims equivalent to the American College of Surgeons stop the bleed training so you want more than that I think that it could be a broader conversation I don't know if any of you have taken stop the bleed but it literally is just How

123do I get this to stop bleeding as opposed to how do I provide um life saving life saving beyond that? Um and so maybe it's um emergency or something some of those kinds of or it's um what first aid kinds of things. Madam uh chair uh trustee Ashby would that be like your basic CPR course? I don't know. I'm sorry, but I it occurs to me that it's not very well articulated there. Um, and I feel like there's probably additional, you know, stop the I have taken stop the bleed and they do do a tourniquet, but tourniquet and um, tracker and some of those kinds of things, but also what to do if they stop bleed or stop breathing, what to do if they um, uh, how to get people's attention to make sure that

124medical care is coming, how to and so it doesn't necessarily cover that. Okay. Okay. Trusty Clen. Madam Chair, I'm sorry. I'm just going to call a procedural thing. When there is an amendment proposed, we need a second in order to discuss. Okay. So, I know several of you are new, but it's important that we follow procedure. I wasn't sure that we actually had a a true amendment yet and more just a discussion because there was no language for the amendment, but that's fine. Do we have a second for an amendment to um enhance the life-saving medical care section of this policy? Is that correct, Britney? Yes. Is that what you're proposing as an amendment? I'll second. So, Trustee Hinkle, we we do have a second. I would like to to request a a friendly amendment

125to that to add say four hours of training to put a number to it. I I don't know that I care that that if that's going to kill it half the hours, but I think there needs to be more elaborate discussion on the on the life-saving medical care. Okay. So, I will second that. You will second what? The enhanced training for immediate life saving medical care. Okay. Yes, Trusty Clawson. Um I I would like to know more about this from our staff who put this language in the draft policy. Is this terminology from the American College of Surgeons and how much time would be designated already in the proposed policy for this training? Um, Madame Chair, Trusty Clawson, I'm not sure that um, you know, again, we didn't specify the amount of time that was

126required to be spent on that piece of the training. Um, I'm trying and I I apologize. I was trying to look for um, Campbell County's specific language um, to see how we expand that. Um, and I'm coming up um, short on that piece. So, you know, right now it's it has to cover that piece as a training. Um, Madame Chair, if I may, um, or Trusty Humphrey, I don't know if you want me to say this, but she just looked it up real quick and says, uh, an AI search. So, we'll see how that how reliable that is. But uh a standard American college a certain stople course typically lasts about 90 minutes. That's true. Um I have a question for Dr. Newton. Um maybe for Miss Polly, but do we thinking of a worst

127case scenario um where a teacher or volunteer has had to use a concealed weapon to shoot at someone who is threatening the the safety and the lives of the children in their classroom or in their presence. Um and we are now wanting them to provide emergency care to the person that they shot. Are there are there trainings or thing I perhaps the shooter is not necess the shooter the the staff person or the volunteer who has used their weapon to take out this threat. Um I this if we up this training requirement it's only for the concealed carry folks. And I wonder about other um what what do we expect of our staff in terms of first aid training or things to stop the bleed? Um I'm sure that there's already things that our staff

128um have been expected to know. Yeah, Madam Chair, I'll do my best. Um, right off the top uh of my head, I'm thinking every year we require all staff um to take the bloodborne pathogens um training, which isn't exactly on point, but I'm trying to think of everything um that might be relevant. Um all of our coaches in our buildings have to have basic emergency care, which isn't necessarily um on point exactly with what this is contemplating. Um Beyond that, I am not certain. Uh there is certainly no standard uh requirement for all staff to to have a life-saving uh course. Okay. Miss P, did you have anything? Um no. Okay. You were nodding, so I wasn't sure. Okay. Thank you. So, there's some training. Um, I it just occurs to me that perhaps more

129than just the concealed carry staff. I mean, perhaps some life saving training is good all the way around. I don't I don't know how you add that to the requirements that we already have and all the expectations we have for for our teachers and the staff in our buildings, but um I'm not I'm sure that it it would be helpful for more than just a few staff members who choose to cons. We we certainly have that um training available for anyone who's interested at this point. It's only a requirement for for our coaches. I might add that um we probably have more students that are trained in basic emergency care than than staff. Okay. Uh Trusty Cook. Yes, Madam Chair. Thank you. Um if there's a gun then and somebody's concealed carrying, there is a

130good possibility that if they use it, there's going to be blood. So that's why training for the people that are concealed carrying makes much more sense than across the board for all teachers. I'm just thinking if you've just shot someone, you're possibly in shock yourself and it just might be wise to have more than just folks that choose to conceal carry to have requirements for emergency life saving stuff like we do for our coaches. Trusty Hel, Chairman Smith, I I mean scenario thinking is going to be where somebody else gets the gun by accident and is discharged and a student gets shot or um you know there's an accidental discharge and a staff member gets shot or all the other scenarios that we worry about the chance of a an active shooter is pretty low.

131A chance of one of those accidental shootings is very high. So, I think those are the types of situations that we're talking about. It's not necessarily an active shooter and you go and you you injure the active shooter and you have to go give them CPR. It's more the other people that are injured in an accidental or um other scenario. So, I think that's where more of that comes in into play. Um an active shooter, there will most likely be other people injured. more likely somebody's gonna accidentally get shot. Trusty Burden. Um, Madam Chair, uh, question for, um, Dr. Newton. Um, just to clarify, do all of our schools have a school nurse? Madam Chair, Trusty Burden, um, there may be some of our smaller schools that share nurses. Some of our schools have more

132than one nurse. Um, so that's kind of a tricky question with the 37 schools we have. Um, so if a nurse were traveling at that moment, there may be a period of time where we didn't have a nurse on site. The other thing I might um add is if we are in that kind of an emergency and in lockdown, likely the school nurse would only be able to help those who are locked in whatever room the school nurse has locked in. Um, so that's probably the best I can answer that. Um, Madam Chair, would you would you please ask um, Trusty Ashby to actually be specific about her proposed amendment so I can understand it better, please? Yeah, I actually think I would like the number six to say certified training and immediate life-saving medical

133care equivalent to the American College of Surgeon Stop the Bleed, uh, emergency first aid, uh, and other life-saving measures. So you'd say stop the bleed training comma emergency and other life saving measures saving measures. Um, I understand that it says four gunshot victims, but I think there's probably a possibility that people get pushed into the wall. I mean, general first aid, I think, before people and I'll second that, Chase. Okay. So the amendment is that that number six there would read certified training in immediate life-saving medical care for gunshot victims. It removes four gunshot. You want to remove that in immediate life-saving medical care equivalent to the American College of Surgeons stop the bleed training, emergency first aid, comma, and other life-saving measures. Is that correct? Yes. I'm sure. Okay. Trusty Clson, I appreciate the

134amendment and really do and I'm thinking it through. Um, I'm curious if we have anyone on our staff that worked on these um that can give us some feedback on how much time the additions would take. So, we just Googled and we don't know if the AI is correct or not, but they said it's 90 minutes for the stop the bleed training, but your other terms are kind of wide. They are and so it could be interpreted and maybe that's where we do where we handle that in the regulations because they could be interpreted really tightly or they could be interpreted really broadly and that's where I'm kind of getting hung up on. Trusty Ashby. Madam Chair, so I I don't disagree that they're fairly broad. Um, but many of the things in the particularly

135the scenarios piece are fairly broad and can be interpreted a lot of different ways. Um, and I appreciate that Dr. or that Mr. reporter, you know, we want to we want to know what they want to learn. But as somebody that puts together training, not necessarily this kind of training, but training of various kinds, you can attract and expand training on a specific topic in a lot of ways. And so I I understand that it is broad, but so are a lot of the others. Yeah. Okay. It's a good point, Madam Chair. Trusty Humphrey. Thank you, Madam Chair. So, Trusty Ashby, um, are you wanting to require like like a specific certification like No, I just think that it needs to be addressed. Yeah. Yeah. I I appreciate your amendment and I think that, um,

136being a little bit more broad, especially when it comes to the gunshot victims, um, is a good idea. Yeah. My my question was are like like emergency first aid certified standard first aid certified CPR and first aid like I think there's a wide variety is that why you're wanting to keep it broad just so they I guess so the trainers can decide what is appropriate but I think they need to I think it needs to be more than just to stop the bleed and so as they're you know maybe it is inserting an entire American first american Red Cross first aid Maybe it's just a 30 minute discussion on first aid whatever you know trainer what is appropriate. So, Trusty Ashby, would you consider a friendly amendment to um you know, looking at other training

137requirements under well up above about the uh this under requirements for concealed carry by employees and volunteers, it's B1 with the long list of things to cover. I believe that this policy draft intentionally does not name certain courses that should be taken or certain I mean it it tells what the expectations are that an employee would would have covered in their in their classwork that they do. Um so for that section six there um what if we left it as vague as certified training in immediate life-saving medical care that way an instructor I mean we're we're relying on instructors who will be I mean really developing these courses these courses I don't believe probably exist that cover all of these things but um we would be relying on again the expertise piece of an instructor

138of what would be most important or perhaps our law enforcement and um safety and security team um to be part of those conversations. But could we go without naming a specific organization that we expect to Yeah, I so I did not put that in there. So I know but I but the whole thing as as you made this amendment, could we just say certified training and immediate life-saving medical care? I'm okay with that, Madam Chair. I think that's better. Yeah, that's fine. I will um second that. I I I would recommend that we put an hour requirement to that, but it's not my amendment, so I will not add it. So that amended amendment with the second I guess we have to vote on whether or not we can amend it. Amy Okay. So we

139need to vote on whether or not we can make that amendment. So it would just read certified training and immediate life saving medical care. So we have a motion and a second. Um all in favor of changing it to simply read certified training and immediate life-saving medical care, please say I. I. oppose. Okay. So, that friendly amendment passed. So, now we're back to the amendment to make that change to this draft policy. We've just we've amended your amendment, but now we've got a vote on what now? Does that make sense? Yes. Okay. Is that right, Amy? Um, yes, mad madam chair. So now the the amendment as I understand it um would just uh leave number six to say certified training in immediate in immediate life-saving medical care period. Yes. Okay. So that is now

140what you're voting the amend that amendment to the draft. Yes. Okay. Is there any more discussion on that? Is that correct? Sorry. So, now that we've done all that, I have a question for Dr. Newton and Miss Polly. Do you see any trouble with that? Um, Madam Chair, I Well, maybe if I could ask for clarification. Any trouble in what respect? Are we making your jobs far more difficult by shortening that and not being as specific? So the amendment would just change that section six to say certified training and immediate life-saving medical care and take out a reference to any specific training. My my opinion, Madam Chair, is it does everything it currently did plus more because it doesn't narrow it down so much. Okay. And so I think it has the intended effect of

141trust trustee Ashby's amendment um without losing anything from what it originally contemplated. Okay. Thank you. Miss Py, did you have any concerns about it? Um no, Madam Chair, and I I don't know that I would consider it a substantive amendment where you're changing the type of training requirement to an extent where um the public wouldn't have, you know, advanced notice that that could be contemplated. So, I wouldn't think that this is an amendment that would need to go out for an additional 45day period. Um, I think it it's probably a logical outgrowth of what what you originally noticed. So, I don't see any issues on that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any more questions or discussions on the amendment to the proposed policy? All in favor say I. I. Opposed? So that amendment passes to the

142overall policy. Are there any other amendments or things that board members would like to discuss the overall policy? All right. Um seeing none, then I think we are ready to vote on the rule governing firearms on school district property. So, as it's amended, all in favor of passing this policy, please say I. I. Opposed? No. I'm sorry. Can you raise your hand if you're opposed to the policy? Okay. So, we have four in favor of passing the policy and two opposed. So, the policy passes as it currently stands. All right. my agenda. Thank you. Um for that concludes the um the business of our meeting. The next regular board meeting with a budget hearing will be held on Monday, July 14th, 2025 at 6:00 p.m. Um do we have a motion now to go into

143executive session? Yes, Madam Chair, I move to go into executive session prior to adjournment for the purpose of personnel. and I second. Okay. All in favor of going into executive session at this time, please say I. I. Opposed. Okay. So, we will go into executive session and come back in a bit. Thank you all for being