SCPS School Board & Board of Supervisors Joint Work Session 05/18/26

001Good. >> Uh, resuming our open session item 2.2. I know you have this in front of you, the first paragraph under explanation, but you just set the table. I will read this. At the March 12th 2026 schoolboard meeting, the school board approved moving forward to several major capital improvement projects to address current and future facility needs across the division. These projects include the renovation of the division's three existing elementary schools, indicating the construction process for new elementary school in the town, crossro area, beginning planning for a new career and technical center in Woodstock to plan renovations with minimal expansion and current trip. So having said that, um I'll hand the discussion over to Dr. Shepard and we will begin. So, thank you, Mr. Vance. So, at the May 12th board of supervisors meeting, the board

002of supervisors approved allocated Shannidora County Public Schools or School Board $3 million to be appropriated in stages um for the um architectural engineering services affiliated with our renovation. um or um new build projects. So, at this time, what I would like the school board to do is to talk about um the projects in the order in which we will do those projects because $3 million will not um is not enough money to actually fund all of the projects that we have um determined we were going to move forward with. So I am the second handout that I am handing is the estimated timelines and costs. And the very top of of the top chart which is also displayed on the um smartboard over here shows how much the estimated architectural and engineering costs are. And

003you will notice that the cost are 2 million which does not include construction administration for the six projects that we had selected to move forward with. And if we included the um construction administration, it it totals to 5.7 million. The projects are the elementary renovation, Sandy Elementary renovation, WW Robinson Elementary renovation. Um I'm going to skip down to the bottom. Triplette tech renovation and minimal expansion new elementary school near Maritown and then new CT facility in no particular order. So >> Shepherd what is the construction administration? What does that refer to? >> So when after we award the um the um proposal for a construction contractor to actually come and start building the the facility or renovating the facility. So, when they're actually bringing in um tools and people and equipment to actually do the

004work, you need a construction administrator from the architect to actually make sure that the renovations for the school is um being renovated or built as the architect have planned and that they're using the materials and the the materials that the architect has specified. No, that's the position that we were thinking about at that's a um so that takes care of our um project manager. Yes, that could do some of that. But um that that position can do the majority of that. But the construction manager also the architect. Um it's up to the the school board whether you want as part of the construction manager. Every project that I have been on, we have paid um for the construction manager to do to do this job just because um they do change orders. They um process

005change orders and things like that as well. >> But have those projects also have a school that already had a >> Yes, we also had a project manager. um whether it was a full-time employee or whether it was a um a contractor that came and did um the works. >> Yeah. But I mean we're looking at half a million dollars to pay somebody to um Is that worth that expense? That's a lot of money. >> That's I was wondering the same thing she was thinking. So you're saying that this position that we've been talking about wouldn't be able to do this last column those jobs. >> So that person's going to be able to identify um maybe some of the potential issues, but at the end of the day, the architect is the one who

006actually determines what change orders are valid and what change orders are not valid and they actually work with the construction person in order to um to process those. So, for example, just on this project that I was on um in 2015, um they decided that um the contractor, which was Shocky at the time, came forward and said, "Hey, we could use a a retaining wall block that is less expensive than the one that you'd inspect." So, our project manager would not be able to say, "Yep, you can use that retaining wall block because it has the same strength and power, whatever." um as the clock that was specified. So that saved us $250,000 because we used a less expensive block that was still capable of holding the the load that the block that they had

007spec would hold. So architects and engineers do that work. Um a project manager does not. If we had a project manager been discussed in the past, wouldn't that change that last column too? >> I don't think so. The project manager um the project manager will be able to go and say, "Okay, um because the architect is only on site once a week or once every couple of weeks." Um but the project manager would be there more regularly and could say, "Hey, I noticed you were using this um roofing material and the specs called for this roofing m So you know that would be the the difference. >> So on that note um let's go back and use your block >> as an example. If our you know the the general contractor the one building in

008shocki in that instance has to go to somebody. So if he came to our construction manager and said we want to change these, couldn't he just call the architect and get that? I mean that information and and the engineer. I mean >> on smaller scales that's I mean I've done that numerous times. believe, you know, that's not um I've done renovation projects and I've also done um new builds and we've always paid the architect to be the construction administration. Especially when you're looking at, you know, millions of dollars, you want to make sure that it's done right. >> Absolutely. >> Kevin, do you have any other examples? Um that's the one that comes to my mind. But we don't have to get in that level of detail at this point. Right now, we're just looking

009at, you know, architectural engineering costs at this particular um >> to just clarify. L So, what column do we need to consider? The third one, not the last one. >> The last one. >> You need to be considering the last column. because that'll get us all the way up to the bid documents where we go out for >> So if I had a question on two >> well on the new elementary school near town estimated cost of 35 million does that include or not include land? So that does not include land. >> So it would be wishful have that on the county property cost. So on that one, maybe figure out if that's an option. Absolutely. >> And so the board of supervisors will be here at noon. So that's a great opportunity. And just

010to make sure, you know, all of these are estimated costs on what Miller Cup and Daily Matter put together for us. So those estimated halls could change if we actually change the scope of their um of their of the work. >> Particularly here is we have yet to define what minimal expansion is. >> Correct. And if you look um at the subsequent at the subsequent pages, it'll detail what I had included in those costs. I'm starting on page four. And at the bottom, you'll see additional considerations that was not included in that the um the estimated cost like maybe gym addition or cap cafeteria expansion so on and so forth. I'm just curious. The first item under Ashley cafeteria multi-purpose area 500,000 what what is that for just broadly what does that what do we

011what would that include 500,000 I mean, I know there's some things there. They'd like to have this supposed be the painting and supposedly u rearrange some stuff for more storage space when I was there talking to the cafeteria ladies, but I I didn't I didn't hear anything that came anywhere close to 500,000. >> I thought they were going to revise the doors on the entrances if I remember correctly. That was a big consideration about having that off. opening that up because that was their biggest issue was getting kids in and out of that one >> all the doors to go and get >> there was I think we talked about that at all three elementary schools >> it says more serving lines in the kitchen and more equipment to support the lines so specifically at

012so well I'm not talking just about Ashley Lee but at WW and at Sandy Hook. Um when those um spaces were um when additional classrooms were built, there wasn't necessarily any additional kitchen space. So there needs to be additional kitchen space in order to serve the number of kids that we have. So then lunches aren't necessarily spanning from 10:30 to 1:30. Maybe it could be a little shorter. Let me see if there's anything else in here. Yeah, but but the majority of that's more serving lines in the kitchen and more equipment to support the new new and a new oven. Um, one new oven is approximately depending on which time we get anywhere from to,000. So equipment is not cheap. And if you're adding refrigerator, reserve space that's not inexpensive either. >> Yeah. What caught

013my attention was 500 500,000. I just didn't see that when I just didn't physically see that or been there in the past as you sit here. I just text about their gym again. Um that gym or at least a gym edition is uh extremely necessary. The other schools have more than one gym and that one does not and it's been continual issue as most of us here know. Um I'm getting texts now that it's too hot in there. So it would be as part of the renovations at Ashby Lee. I think that we should address the minimal gym space that they have. Um, especially if more kids start going to the school, it's going to become even more uncomfortable. >> And so these costs um are estimates and it's based on the square footage. So

014it's not we're going to go paint this wall and change this floor and do this, you know, particular thing. It's based on square footage and that's you know whenever an architect is estimating which steel co John John Mather yeah John Mather um did for us you know they mainly used a square foot estimate for that they didn't price out everything that would be changed >> yeah so pretty much everything on these sheets are not you know these numbers will fluctuate some of a lot bigger and a lot more developed. >> They're estimates based on their previous work at other school divisions in facilities. >> So I have a I have a suggestion because I think um as I said before I think I think we most of us agree the renovations of the prearies are

015a priority. So we need to focus on that. $900,000. Um, if we were to include the administration cost for the new elementary and the triple techn 3.1 3, $150,000 um with the idea that hopefully that new CP in Woodstock could potentially come from the private funds that have been um offered. We still have a difference of $150,000. But maybe that can >> I was actually thinking along the lines of Gloria's u idea and looking at how much it would take off if we took off the minimal expansion. If we still are looking at the new CT facility in Woodstock, >> if we took off that minimal expansion, would it save us $150,000 to get us down to that 3 million mark? So, um, at the board of supervisors meeting on Tuesday last week, um, the

016board of supervisors did indicate, at least one board of supervisor did indicate if we needed a little more money that they would be willing to consider it. They didn't commit to it. The board did commit to it, but there was at least one person who um, one board supervisor who who said that they would consider it. only $150,000 more. I mean, give or take, whatever fluctuates, but um I think that would be a good number. And then we can focus on the new CP facility stuff with um the private donations or maybe even uh the econ economic development fund that's raising funds and we can just because at least we have some people who have shown an interest in giving money to that. You don't have that for the other ones. Yeah, the difference is

017there is that the um private EDA people and stuff are not looking to build a new they're not looking to close this website. So there's only a certain amount of um you know people would seem to feel that way. Um but and from what I understand the board supervisors we'll ask them today but um there's not unanimous support in doing that either. So that private money and you know in the EBA stuff from our meeting they seem to want to to put sync some money here um and that's their first priority. >> So what you're saying is that that money would only come to this. So basically they're subverting the will of our board and deciding funded if it's here. >> Um I think that's opposite. Um, you know, because our board I never voted

018to close this facility, >> but the majority of the board did. >> We did. >> I mean, not not to close this facility, but to start working on the CPE >> as a satellite, not closing this. >> Well, eventually >> I keep missing that part with where that was added on to what was working on, but um I hear what you're saying, so I guess we need to clarify that. But I mean, >> it seems to me though that the other private donor. Um, and and you know, the message I've been getting from them in the beginning was we want to help CTV, but now only if we move into Woodstone. So, I mean, I think you need some clarification. >> Well, I mean, I guess I just want to clarify from my standpoint and

019my understanding and I think Al Shepard and some of the other members can clarify that as well. Um it wasn't that donor that came up with the idea of moving it to the central campus. The idea of eventually uh building a bigger one in central campus is twofold is one of them is to make it bigger so that more students can actually um participate in the in the triplet tech and what it has to offer. I mean right now what we have here has a lot of limitations because we only have so much that we can grow or so much that we can add. So in the end we can probably add a few more students but not that many students. Whereas out there we can actually build something that could accommodate a lot more

020students and that would include more students from the northern campus which are you know not necessarily coming down here because it's so far away. So um I mean we have a this is not a a southern campus school. This is a Shindo County public school. Um so we need to make sure that it is accessible to everybody in the county. So again it's it's it's up to um the board, I would think, not the board supervisors or or the different community groups or even private donors to decide um what we're going to do. It's up to us as a board to decide and we have to decide what is best for us. Me personally, I I think tech, you know, triplet tech and the the education that it offers is big enough and important enough

021that we need to be able to offer it to more students. Um so that that's what for me is a little bit of a the quandry to add to this building which is not accessible to so many students um and which has so many limitations in terms of space. So if we really want to have more if we really believe in in in in the trades and we really do want to grow it and have more students then we should be building in an area that can accommodate those students and can actually um be uh reach reachable to those students. So that's I guess that's where we're having a bit of a difference here. It's how we see that technology is going to grow in terms of which building or which facility would offer more

022opportunities to more students. I believe that eventually it's either splitting it up into campuses which doesn't seem like a lot of people are happy about that idea or building a new facility that will be bigger and accomplish all these needs including the needs of the future. Like we've talked before um a lot of the things that we're doing now were not foreseeable 20 years ago or 15 years ago. So we don't know what the technology is going to be bringing 10 years from now um 15 years from now. So uh so that's just my opinion but I just wanted to clarify that this because I keep hearing this whole idea that we're moving to a central campus because of a private donor said no no no I mean that that idea did not come from

023a private donor. It came from our conversations as a board before you guys came here but um this is these are the conversations that we've been having for the last two years. That was the idea of the central campus and also to accommodate other stuff. Um because what we said is with the central campus you also open up the traffic for what we have you know the funds that we have right now and potentially by developing that area we may be able to do other stuff down the road you know whether it's a performing arts center or whether it's community hall I don't know those are just ideas that could happen if we develop that land. So that that I just want to clarify. >> Are we going to develop it for CTE or for

024all those other things >> like possibly an elementary school because um you know I the likelihood of the school going in that park from what I'm reading the room is very limited. So we may have to start thinking a little bit more outside the box. But let me clarify something. I didn't mean to imply the idea came from the private building. at the central campus. And as far as what Dr. Shepard presented, we own 40 acres there. That's money enough to put a CTE facility on and a new elementary school if we had to. Um, I mean, to me, it only makes sense that we have one CTE facility in the future and big enough for future expansion 20, 30 years from now. >> Where are we with Valley Health? >> Could you update us

025on that? Absolutely. So, Valley Health, we u we're still at the same place that we've been. Um Valley Health is still interested in um providing us with space there. Um they have raised Valley Health has raised a million dollars. We still need a million and a half in order to do the renovations that are needed there. in order to um renovations that are there. >> And how much space would that give us or something? It'll it'll move all of our healthare classes to um to >> and that is that whole run down there which is four. So moving that there would open up those classrooms and um if we were able to create shop space here which um you know I had mentioned um you know different construction steel building or so forth and um

026I've gone out and looked and done some talked to some different contractors and things we could build roughly a 200 by 100 foot shop building here with concrete and utilities um and not knowing what exactly what equipment would be needed in there um between two and a half and $3 million. So, how many students would that add? >> Um, >> if we >> I if we did that and renovated these classrooms into that we'd be moving out auto shop, um, masonry, you know, those things if whatever moved out to that 20,000 square foot shop space could be rented, changed back into classrooms. And, you know, my my idea of in my definition of minimal expansion is enough to get that three students in here as quickly as possible. >> So that's another 20 students. >>

027Um >> we have 80, right? >> Well, we have a hundred I mean and three on the waiting list. So that would open up all these other classrooms, the masonry classroom, the HBAC classroom, all that be converted into other usable space um that it's not chopsticks. We give enough room for the welding and all that and the folks um you know Mr. Justin Pence came and kind of stoked for the EVA. They're they they really seem to be moving forward with getting smart ideas on plans and that kind of stuff from what I understand. Um, so I'm almost wondering if we don't separate that like kind of from these other things >> CTA that if we could work with a public private partnership and get them to move it along, they'll move faster than we

028will um and we could figure out elementary schools and stuff, you know, focus on that. >> That's not fair. >> Um, so what you're saying is just get rid of um old CPE from this list and only do the elementaryaries. >> Um I mean well it we I think that as we move forward that might make the most sense. I wouldn't say that right now until they they come and say we formed this partnership. That's what we want to do. But I see that that's where they wanted to go. Well, I mean, >> and that's kind of why I brought up um you know, that other donor. If you would all get together and kind of everyone moving along the same road, I think um this will happen faster and cheaper than we might have.

029I guess my concern is I still haven't heard you know if we just renovate this building and we we've seen all the limitations at least those of us who can see it from the outside um see all the limitations that this building has but I would like to know if we renovate and even do what you're saying with the buildings I mean how many students are we adding all together to the to the program how many >> I think it would give us the room for over 100 students >> but that doesn't really solve too much that that doesn't that's just uh you know that's just sand. I mean >> well it gets us >> doesn't really add us first of all it doesn't add that many to the programs like you were saying you

030know we had larger buildings with a larger you know for the big you know trade with the big shops and all stuff um but also it's not helping with the students that don't have the access for the campus here um you know or who are even the ones who are coming and I know um Mr. can attest to this more than I can. Um, but they're missing up to an hour of school of education every single week because and their lunches >> because they're having to, you know, drive 40 45 minutes to get here and 40 45 minutes to go back. I mean, that's not fair that that these kids are actually not only missing on education but are missing their um their lunches, >> but >> in order to come here. >> I when

031they're the largest. >> I'm not saying that we don't eventually do that, but I mean we have to elementary schools. We can't afford to do all buildings right now. I mean, we all know that. >> Well, no, but that's why the idea was that we would not be starting a whole new CP big one in Woodstock. We would just have the plans already drawn up um and starting phases. And the first phase, we only, you know, bring out a few of the business classes that can actually just have the classroom or the shops. And if it makes more sense to build the shops, then build the shops over there. um so that it frees up some space here so then you can add a few more students. So it's not going to be I mean

032this would not happen for many many years. I I'm talking five 10 years down the road before we actually have um a building down in the central campus. It's just an idea of at least we have the plans. At least we have we start developing that area and at least it frees up some some space from this building >> so that you can add more classes in this building where we are sitting right now while the other one gets filled. >> How many would that how many more students would get in the building without doing the shop and the things I suggested? >> Well, but that's what I'm saying. I mean, first of all, it's going to be at least what you're saying because if we're building the shops down there or the building down

033there, um, it's gonna, you know, we can make it bigger than even what can be done here. So, it's going to be at least what you're saying, if not >> how many would you add in in the next three years is what I'm asking. Not down the road. >> I mean, we're not going to add any if we don't here. >> But that's what Well, no, but because Well, you're moving some over there. then you're freeing up space over here and that's where the minimal expansion and renovation comes into play >> that to build that steel building you're talking about here we have to acquire the land here to build that >> um that's iffy I mean you know to add more parking and different things but um you know I think that we have

034to look at that further but there is still some land available um and I the board of supervisors, they may know more about this too because one of them started looking into the solar stuff. So the solar thing seemed to be one of the biggest problems. If they weren't there, we could have a lot more room, but um and did things break down with that um with talking to the adjacent land about acquiring some of that property? Like I don't remember where that was left. >> So um until we have a defensive again. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what the hospital is? >> No. And um so the square footage for the hospital is 5,000 square ft. It would be about six classroom slab spaces. >> Well, I mean that to break

035off at this to the satellite thing. I mean, you know, that seems logical to me the first first step as if we move that to Valley Health, which makes more sense because it's I mean, the health things being right next to the hospital, um that's going to open up some space here. And then if we add shop space, I think it would be enough, I mean, to to uh to get us through until maybe something else is. I'm not against building, you know, something phenomenal. Um I just look at all the things and um you know and all the things on Kevin's list and these inner insurmountable almost things that we have to do elsewhere. Um you know I just don't know if that's the logical first step and we draw plans we start doing.

036I mean we're not going to break ground in Woodstock. You know, I think we could have something done here before we would even break ground on person or close. >> Well, >> so >> close. I think we it is my understand that we do need to acquire the land adjacent to us because otherwise we're not going to have space. We're going to be taking out a lot back there as it is parking is very limited. Um so we would have to have a possibility that would be an additional cost. Um whereas the land that we have in the central campus we always have that land. So um so there's that the difference is too you know we build something here that only you know it's going to cost I don't know how much is going

037to cost like a million dollar just for a little while or do we start investing that money into a building that we know is going to grow and it's going to um be there for decades or centuries if um I mean Dr. Shepherd, what is the need right now? The biggest need right now in Chip is Sid the mechanic and you know base space and all that or is it classroom? >> It would be high. Yeah. >> So we were going to add um we're at capacity now. We may have one room that's available half a day but it's it's high space. If we were going to add programs, it would be welding, it would be plumbing, it would be, you know, like that that >> that's what I'm saying. We have more space out

038there. >> And Mr. Shotti mentioned about a metal building. We do have an example of a metal building here in Shannidora County. In 2018, we added elementary school um the gymnasium there. And that gymnasium was at um steel building and so about 4,500 square ft. It was a little less than it was $498,686 but that did not include intercom phone or restaurant. So, you know, so if you're thinking about a 4,500 foot facility, that's about 500,000. So, I don't know how that >> the finishes was that was that the price installed >> that was Yeah, that was completely >> What year was that? >> 2018. >> And that that included finishes that we would not need in a shop. There's drywall, there's padding on the walls, there's a padded gym floor, you know, we we

039could go with um uh aggregate concrete that would prevent slipping anti-slip concrete and stuff. We wouldn't need to add anything like that. And um we could also have carpentry students and things if we want to separate classrooms or offices and stuff. Um the students and the teachers could do certain amount of that work on their own building which they did in Reicho County um you know they they kind of used it as a teaching and learning experience and uh you know saying that I don't know if that that certainly won't save us on time or speed but um that could save some money too and give the kids an opportunity to actually build their own school or their own shop space. If I'm remembering correctly that the last talks we had about acquiring the land

040back here, the family was uh in talks of backing out of that, not not thrilled about it. >> Say that again. >> Am I remembering correctly that the last talks we had about acquiring the land back here that the family was not big on that anymore? >> No. Which which is, you know, it's unfortunate that we're talking about it in public because um the um the lady really didn't want the word to get out that we were interested in that because it's land that she wants her son. So, it's not that she would give us what we needed, but you know, she wants to keep as much for her children as possible. So, it may or may not give us >> Well, and like I said, I mean, I I have no problem with, you

041know, if we needed to in the short term had, you know, the steel building just to alleviate some of this problem. But to me, that's kind of like putting a trailer in the back of the school just to alleviate the you know the pressure that we have right now for you know a shortterm um solution but not for the long term. So my point is we should be thinking long term. What are we going to do with this? Um and you know when we have an opportunity that we have community groups that are thinking about doing you know helping us outers that are thinking about helping us out then I think we should you know we would be responsible not to take it too and try to think forward by you know by making the

042most out of this aid and help that is been offered to us. Um so that's that's where I think we needed to vote on this and um you know to the extent that we can take advantage of that then we can just that out of the line item, hope for that. Um, and then just take care of the priorities right now. Another another thing to consider too with us talking about developing that land at the central campus. There's two main I would say one of them is a need. The other is a huge want. If you talk to the public, an auditorium that is of use to all the schools in the county and a swimming pool that is of use to all the high schools in the county. You develop that land, it gives

043you the possibility down the road in the future to add those. I think we're crazy not to take advantage of land that we already own. So you want to include that in planning for >> No, I'm saying if we get the plan set for what we want as far as triplet and we do it in phases, it gives us room for conversation down the road. If money were to come available for an auditorium pool, you know, those are the pool. I would consider that a need um slash one. You know, it could be added down the road if the land's developed and rep for it, >> but it could also be developed at the time. >> Yeah. Like we've already got a CTE facility on the property, >> correct? you know, it's already prepared for

044it. On top of that, we're alleviating traffic problems at the central campus. >> And how much is that estimate? What was that? 1 million or something or 1.5 to to create the traffic loop to to ease that up. >> Is that we talk about that a lot. I don't remember what that was. >> I think Dr. Shepard has included it in here. Could that be planned, you know, with, you know, without building parking lots or roads to where something in the future would be built? He could open up that loop without adding a building, right? >> Yeah. >> Well, it would be because it's part of the renovation for Okay. So what does what does minimal expansion here mean to all of us? Me personally, I'd say uh I'd say we limit how much we're

045spending on this when we're considering something new at the central campus. That's where the majority of our money that we're going to put the CT should be spent. It opens it up more to the kids on the on the northern end. No, no disrespect, but that's not what I asked. What like what what are we talking about spacewise or or or um or minimal extension? >> I don't see any point in building anything new on this >> renovating renovating existing >> but not getting into more states. >> I don't see a point in it. >> So, let me just Can you help? Maybe you can help, Mr. Cherry. What is the cost if we decide to put the um um the steel building? It's obviously not just So, let's say that cost I would have

046to think about that because if that was in 2019 18, um it's probably gone at least 50% off higher, I would think, since then. So, we got about six $700,000. But then I see here for example we have it would also have to include the renovation of the solar farm because it would go where the solar farm is right >> that's probably what they're >> well where else would it go >> um oh no yeah I yes we would have to move those solar panels but um >> that's a million dollars >> and um so what are the costs of just doing that steel um building >> from what I have calculated and talked to couple different contractors and um and some other building consorts in this area. I talked to some in Pennsylvania. I

047mean, I think it would be under two and a half million to build the building, but I'll say three just to be fair in it or you know to give fluctuations because I mean I don't know exactly what we're what we need to put in there. So, and until we know exact needs space in each room, I mean, or in each day, um, you know, that kind of is yet to be determined, but that would include concrete, insulation, utilities >> and the and the relocation relocation of the existing solar farm. >> No, not not in the 3 million. I'm talking for the building itself. >> So, we're talking about four million. >> Yep. >> And then um the equipment and all that and once you make I'm speaking this from pure ignorance because I don't

048know um once you build those bays and all that kind of stuff I mean I'm assuming the equipment is movable if we have to move it to a central campus but then >> the lifts and things yeah I mean that could eventually be moved but >> you know >> so this is including the equipment also that would go in there >> that's to build that building >> the equipment and I you know figure two and a half >> then plus whatever because see if we're making it bigger we're going to need new equipment. So that's >> we're talking about 2 and a half million is being very conservative considering in 2018 it cost 450,000 to build a 4500 square foot building. You're going four times that eight years later prices are based on 2018 prices.

049Yes, that's what we're just about 4 million. >> You know, I believe there, you know, um >> some of our um I know there's been some contact and talking with the solar company and and different things where there may be a way to work some of that out. >> We own them or is that >> we don't. So, we're talking about somewhere between four and $5 million just for the steel building. And that's not including if we have to acquire additional land for parking and or or do you move that solar equipment to >> um well, we added the million on so you know I think we're under five four and a quarter or somewhere in there. >> That's what I'm saying. four or5 million just for the building and we need the solar panels,

050but we're not talking about any additional land that we may need to acquire for more parking or where are we going to put the solar, you know, the solar panels. Are we going to go, you know, up in this building? Are we going to have to acquire the land? So that's so then we have to add the the cost of the land >> and develop that land. >> So developing it It's a possibility solar panels there, but that's yet free. So, you have to add some cost how much that gravel gravel. >> Yeah. Um, but I do want to clarify the 1.2 million that I gave you earlier for the uh road improvements. That was just for some road improvements to add an extra um outlet at WW Robinson. If we wanted to open up

051Cooper Road, that's about three and a half million. >> Yeah. So, new roadway connected and these are best guess and then do requirements at road. So, that's three and a half. I think one of the things that deal and John M proposed was to add an additional exit there on um oxy any data from the northern campus students who don't come here because of the time I mean has ever been a data collection on this I didn't I don't know. Yeah. >> So here is the data from the last five or six years and it has this current year 2026 27. So this is tenative. It will grow um over the next um three months before school starts. So um so take this year's data with a grain of salt but the last one, two,

052three, four, five years are the numbers of students that we had at >> so we do not have data on how many do not attend because of >> we wouldn't have that >> would there be >> unless we did a survey >> I was or or correlation to how many students per to population of a school triplet you know Because then if you see that the strawsburg is a lot lower which is a bigger school then maybe that would count. >> So it should be central high school has students edge for one followed by strawsburg and then Jackson just because of the um but I haven't calculated that actual percentage >> and what what are the um like how many total students we have at Strawburg compared to Stonewall for example. So in September when

053we reported to the state we had 590 at Strawburg and 504 at Stonewalk >> but that's total students not just those >> correct juniors and seniors and that was that was 9 to 12 that was not just juniors and seniors central campus 9 to same date was um 686. >> So this past year was the first year ever that Strawsburg outnumbered the number of Stonewall students coming here. >> And this year it's projected that Strawsburg is going to be less than Stonewall. That's an interesting question. Why is it projected >> that less? >> These are the number of students who sign up for actual class that have been accepted. However, you know, we do have some slots that are available in some classes. So, those are fill up early. >> So, I mean >> these

054numbers will change slightly. >> Well, theoretically, I mean given these numbers, Strawburg's number should be like 10ish 115. Look at the trends from central and numbers. Central should be about 38 and a half% the number of students that attend Strawsburg should be% >> and that's >> very close but not just juniors and seniors. That's what it should be. >> Yes. But it's not it's not that. >> So broadly speaking, without doing real math, we're talking about maybe 24 kids from St. >> I mean triplet. I'm sorry. triplet. So we have 350 students still objection should be about 98 students. And strawber. 27 students that are not coming. >> They're not coming this year or last year. that are going to be coming this year, this next year that are involved for probably because of the

055press. Looking at these numbers, it looks like the trend is we're getting less students in going down. Do we know why that is? >> It actually 349, 357, 352. Those are all about the same. This number, the tenative number for this coming school year, like I said, that was going to grow. That would grow. >> How much does it usually grow? You know, from this point, everyone signed up. >> It just depends. I mean, um, yeah, I I can't tell you what a Well, and then other things like, you know, how many take health sciences if that were to move to Valley Health near the future, how that how many kids from Trust take health courses? How many, you know, want to take welding, you know, those kind of things? I think something else that

056has not been discussed over all the time we've been discussing triple how many of the students when we always talk about a hundred students got turned away how many of those students did not have the grades to attend because I know I know from previous kids have been turned away. I'll give you an example. There was a child that had a D in English who wanted to get into the electrical program and they were turned away. That was one of the reasons they were turned away. How many of those 100 aren't do not have grades up the bar to have them come here? It would take away from their core curriculum. >> So, um students that would not necessarily get into the electrical program may get into another program that has a vacancy with the

057or you know all these kids with A's, B's, and C's who were going to do, you know, grade trades work. You know, it really is somebody who really wants to do that work. So um you know behavior is a real criteria and attendance is you know those are two things that students need to grace not necessarily they may not be you know real excited about um English or math but then whenever they're asked to do something they do just >> you brought up another good point how many classrooms are taken away in this building because of behavior issues bridge um the another program. We have >> one um class but it's a smaller classroom and then the um after school the um as which is the attendant suspension program. It's out in the um building.

058>> Yeah. >> And how much space is in that brick building? >> Storage or something? >> And it's very few students in that class. on that subject. What what's I'm just curious what's the difference between those students and charter households. >> So the alternative suspension center, these are kids who were in Strawsburg High School, Central High School, Stonewall, Jackson and our middle schools, North that just go there instead of in L of out of school suspension, they go to our alternative suspension center. So, those are the ones that are in the brick building. There's a class here that is um bridge and um restart that is actually in the building and it's smaller as well, just a few students. Um those are students who can be successful in a smaller environment and don't necessarily need

059to be out place. So, it could be credit recovery. Do you want to talk a little bit about graduation? >> It could be the student afterwards after hours. They're also students. issues THC issues not necessarily where the kids aren't able to stay in the classroom. And I'm just curious, this system, is that mandated or is that just what we chose to do or prevent or >> it's a way to keep kids in general without placing them or sending them home for out of school suspension because some students actually think that um placement is better than being as mandated necessarily, but we a children house or a wreck educational center. >> How do they get here from the other campuses? >> Bus. Okay. So, we bus. >> Well, on that note, too, how many kids drive

060from Strawburg or do they take the bus? >> Okay. >> All of the parking spots are full, right? Not today. >> Yeah, I've seen them come in just kind of talking about gas prices if they're riding the bus from their personal pockets, but some kids can drive. So all three hospitals have bus drive. And I assure you if they're driving those diesel trucks all I can tell you my son started the school year out driving himself and quickly realized how much it was costing him in gas and chose to ride the bus. So it was like they had to get out of >> classes. I'm sorry. They're missing instruction and then when they get back I'm sure just I like the way it was told to me. One of our former students told me it

061is the Harvard of Shando County. >> The Harvard of Shando County. >> Well, that's cuz Mr. Van leveled down. >> You remember the days when we there was talk of going to one high school in county. >> Yes. >> Yeah. You know definitely against that consolidation. There were two two battles on that. One was in the uh late 50s and branched over was the undert. And you see where he put it buried and then the other one was I think that was the one. >> Yeah, but I'm just saying it was obviously there was one part of the county that was highly against it. Anyway, continue. >> So, um, we also noticed, well, I actually noticed this year that we only had one strawber, but other years there have been, you know, an equal number

062of, you know, >> just like a lot of things. Do we know how many applied to governor school from this year? They would graduate this year. >> Are they rich? >> No. Our governor school is at Jackson. So the one Frederick Clark goes to the one >> for governor. Are you talking about governor school? >> No. go there and take the college. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Any of our any of our >> I know we have some juniors at the northern junior next year because they would offer classes there. But we talked about this informally that we don't have teachers to to teach you so they can skip that college. If they take it on campus, it's a little less expensive to them versus what they would have to pay. >> Teachers has But

063we do share between the schools as we're able. So maybe you're I see I don't know if I'm reading you right. You probably want to probably want to go back to your initial initial question on how do we What do we do? What do we How do we prioritize the 3 million? >> Right. So, it's 11:30 and um I'm just giving you a time check here. It's 11:30. The board of supervisors will be here at noon and then we'll have lunch with them and also talk about our major capital as well. But, um what we need to do is figure prioritize the $3 million that we are receiving from the board of supervisors. orize the projects that we're going to do so that we um can then um go out proposal for architectural engineering services.

064>> Do you want that answer before meeting with them or after? >> Um at some point uh today would be nice. >> I think we need the I think we need the answer to because we need to clarify what what's available for us. >> Hopefully they'll come within that's just construction. Well, you are the chairman, sir. You are the chairman. >> Yes, I am. >> I'm making just >> I'm sorry I moved earlier. I couldn't hear you guys. So, >> I'm glad you did. I couldn't see around. >> No, I agree with that. Um, but then the other question is, you know, what what are we doing? say that plan is not available. You know what >> problem? >> I mean, yeah, because I mean >> less students are not going to be going to

065our attending our schools. So, how are we going to deal with this situation um that is fast approaching about being at capacity? I mean, how are we going to address this if we do not have that entry school? because I heard a lot of people just, you know, being against it, but nobody's offered a true solution to the problem. I honestly don't think that the solution is adding to a um sandy book just based on the space that they have there and the traffic and all that stuff. Um so then what is what are we going to talk about? >> Well, I'm not signing but land in the middle of the county and also the same boat. If we're denied the land in Mortown, I really don't think we're even land. >> That's what I'm

066saying. >> Secondly, owning that land on those two campuses or joints campuses opens up the possibility, what's the correct term, Dr. Shepard school. >> So, I've been calling them primary and upper elementary, but you know, >> so you take some grades out. >> So, lower lower, not doesn'tate the traffic problem. It will not alleviate the traffic problem. One way in, one way out, one bridge. >> Well, and the other thing is we're talking about instead of building one building, now we're talking about two potentially three different buildings with three additional administration with renovations with three additional bus routes. So, I mean, I I don't know um if that's and we came like in P when I went to Pennsylvania, that's what we had for our kids. We had a lower elementary and the upper school.

067Um they're completely different schools. You know, the lower elementary has it own principal and the whole staff and it's a different school and the upper elementary is the same thing, a completely different school. So it's not like we're having satellite school. It's two different schools. So we're going instead of building one school, we're building two potentially three, which I don't understand how that makes it easier. >> Well, you know, from what I understand, um historically that's why did pick up that land on both the campuses was to to build, you know, another school there in the future. That that seems to be their idea of planning for more people coming was to buy that land and particularly and I forget which one of them said it, but I mean one of them did. I mean

068that's why we bought that land years ago to put >> but that's on campus. We still have the biggest problem at the the northern campus. >> Additional land in Sandy Hook too. But I mean the big caveat there is I mean >> have to build any bridge to go bridge >> going over you know going over the river and everything. I mean you're you're looking at you know probably a decade of of planning and stuff with the EPA. So I mean none of it's going to be easy. >> So possible >> but keeping um But like if that did happen, I mean bus routes would be the same because they'd be going to the same place. So I wouldn't add bus routes. >> Um and there are ways where you could have one principle overlooking

069two smart, but I mean I'm not saying they won't add people, but I mean um there are there are school districts that do that. Maybe not in Virginia, but um >> not in Pennsylvania. >> Yeah, they were down in town. >> Well, we were they had two different once we were in county they're kind of weird folks up there so >> no I'm just you know but there there are instances of it that's not nation you know or statewide is all the same so because I knew the guy was the assistant principal deep down whatever the middle school was down east and they put a secondary building there for elementary school Um, but I mean none of what we're talking about here is going to be easy. Um, because everything is going to need need

070more staff. So, um, which you know how many schools do we have that were fully staffed this year? >> Yeah. Not I think that's why we we had a surplus. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> And and the reality is, let's face it, yeah, I'm all about looking in the future and this is where I have a problem with government, you know. I do believe it looks in the future down the road, but the reality is what's affordable realistically. What what money is there to do that? >> If you do it in phases, >> yeah, but you know what I'm talking about. >> We got taxes due here really soon and you know what the reality is, what is what does this what could this county pay for? That's the route. >> Well, but I may add,

071well, you're right. Part of the part of the reason we're in this problem is because we've been kicked down the road so many times up with us. >> If somebody in the past had started looking for this and and finding ways to address this, we would be having this million meetings that we had for the last >> Well, you're 100% right. And I mean, there's another thing that's needing. I mean, when was the the last time our three middle schools were updated or renovated >> 1990s. >> Yeah. >> And then you know so we have those looming and then the high schools would be projecting after that. So I mean that's why um and we are at a real disadvantage here because we have to figure all this out but we need things we have

072to fix like yesterday not in a month. So the space problems um you know I don't back to your question Gloria I don't know um you know and I I you know as unlikely as it seems that we're going to be able to build on that park in the very near future I mean or at all I mean what do we do on the campuses as they exist? I mean modulars is the only thing I can think of. I mean that would immediately do something because um you know there's there's a lot of um you know unforeseen factors there and even punching out on the route 11 that's a US route that's going to take a while for VOTE to study that you know we're and dealing with VOTE on on many different things right

073now signs parking lots that I'm doing in my other work. I mean, we're talking years. >> I know. That's that's why. >> So, in the meantime, I mean, I I think we're, you know, we may have to invest in modulars or something to plan for, you know, the next five years or so. So, I mean, because I don't realistically see us breaking ground even if we said today, yes, we can we could build in Morytown for at least three years, >> right? But >> and that's minimum. But every year that we keep picking this down the road, it's, you know, boy problems and and I feel sorry for anybody who's gonna have to be driving their kids to the schools with now additional modulars and do we even have space at Robinson to put them?

074So, um when Miller come and were looking at adding additional um additional classrooms, they were struggling. >> Yeah, there's I mean it's sandwiched in the middle. There's no hill, right? You can't really >> Somebody should have planned a long time ago to go up second floor. I mean, we're just in that building in New Market. Hey, they have two stories. >> Nobody came up with that thought when they started >> building the frames. >> That's true. But that would be for somebody's like, >> you know what I'm saying? the existing elementary schools the architecture there >> most likely not but I have not >> during the time of construction back in the 70s most likely when those were constructed in the late 70s they probably did not have enough foresight to be able to have

075that design to go multi-story >> well and I know that that was addressed here too. What it is is I mean you'd have to take it all the way down to the block >> and then put in new gers to hold the second floor. Yeah. Like you couldn't come in. >> What's planned for roof load is 100% different than you know living space. One of the one of the thoughts here was to add a twotory building on the front. not take the existing um space but add two stories on the front of the >> which would take out some of the front yard >> but they weren't going to do that >> well in one of the studies they talked about that but they you know the trusses were too far apart so >> now

076I do understand Mr. Vance that the middle schools that were built in the '9s have been constructed to withstand a second story Certainly the high school is not correct. >> Definitely not the high school that >> well unless we have a lot of people who decide to homeschool. We're going to have to decide, you know, we're going to do this. And I I still think obviously the uh to me the the renovations of the field entries are the priority. >> Um but I do think we need to start looking at the other ones. So that's why I I propose that if we did the u three elementaryaries the plans for the new elementary and then renovation that will bring us 3.1 million 15 and then we can try to see if the board supervisor would

077be willing to come up with the plans for the new elementary school. >> Well, that's why we're getting to talk to them um their lunch and see and and have them understand. I mean, if we don't get that, I would like to hear from them what is it that we're going to do. If we don't get that planned right yes or no kicks the can >> as we were discussing on our trip to New Market Dr. Shepard um remember the trivia question the old school burned in and they built Sandy Hook how long Dr. to take them to because then then the public opinion shifted to the middle grades middle school and when did the when did uh signal N come into the >> early 90s so from 68 to 1990 to get middle school

078where it is something >> but that's why we like to hear from them if it's not an option, I want them to tell us what is an option and what are we going to do since they've taken the liberty of doing a resolution where they're going to be pretty much babysitting us and as to how we going to spend the money. Um, which my question is, but it's what they want to do. Then I want them to tell us how are we going to address the overcrowding elections. that they'll come back and tell us. That's for us to figure out. >> Well, no, we we figure it out and then they do a resolution where they say, "Oh, no. >> You don't need to try." >> Well, didn't we ask though um in our thing?

079I thought we agreed that we were going to do we voted on a study of whether we could do that school. So, but there I thought there was I mean talk that there was no point in doing this study >> if they're not going to commit to the land. >> I mean, to me, it's kind of pointless. They represent all the same districts that we represent. So, they can't deny the growth. They see it. What is their plan to going forward to deal with the problem? >> Well, and that's hopefully what we can work out amongst us here. But, you know, >> well, but my concern is it doesn't matter. You know, we've already had this vote several times. We've already make these decisions and then we're told, well, yeah, cute to try, but that's

080not what we want. So, then I want to hear. Okay. So, what are the options that we really have? How are we going to solve this problem that we have and that is growing? >> Well, all right. All right. Let's assume for the sake of argument they come in and say, "No way. Mortown Park is out. What do we What are our what are our thoughts here? >> What do we go back? >> I want to hear from Okay, what do we have? And if they say we have no land, it's like, okay, so how are we going to address the overcrowded >> and we're right back to building on the new on the spots they already have. >> So, we need these questions. And let's just say for the sake of argument they say

081that's up for you to propose. What are we going to say? >> I'm saying no. >> Say no. We don't build anything. >> Well, no. We don't build where they are right now. >> We tell I I if they're going to say no to everything we've proposed so far, I want them to tell us, okay, then what are the real options that we have here? >> Okay. >> Because like I said, like we said right now, Robinson, we can't even put modulars in there. We don't have the space to put the modulars in there, you know. So, even if we decided to grow where they are right now and forget about the traffic and forget about all that, um, we have space. >> We have space to build another building. That's probably where we would

082have to go. >> So, but that's okay. So, that's the one school. So, then you have to build another another building over there. Okay. See that? down there. Then we have Sandy Hook. You're just going to keep on adding mods until we have a whole field. >> There's land there to build another building from what I understand. >> Yeah, but that I don't even know. I mean, I honestly I'll be honest with you, I don't even know. I mean, have we even had a study from BOT to say that we can actually build and have more congestion in there? I mean, I would be afraid if I'm a parent with a kid in there, I'd be afraid that there would be an emergency during rush hour that there's going to be way for the emergency

083vehicles to get there. >> I mean, do we even have that? I mean, do we have do we have a study from Visa that says, "Oh, yeah, you can build another, you know, lane where you can add um more building." I mean, do we have that? >> We do not, but I don't know that they us. All I got to say is go down there and sit at 2:00 in the afternoon and see if you're going to get an ambulance through to get to Middle School if there was an emergency. >> There you go. Or God forbid a fire. You're not getting that down. >> All right, it is 11:48. So, let's a 12 minute break. Our board of supervisors are are starting to come in Mr. Kin and be back here. Well, very enjoyable.

084Now officially call. >> All right. So, thank you guys for being here. We really appreciate it. Um the school board has been meeting this morning um talking about major capital projects. Um but before we get into the meat and potatoes of the meeting. Um, Mr. Hinsley is going, you should have something that looks like this at your at your table. Mr. Taylor asked us to do an update while we were here. So, Mr. Capture project. >> So, the first three pages you have are the projects and the funding, how much allocated for each of those projects. That's what we shared with you last time. There were some questions about where are you in those projects? So, what we've tried to do is go back and the pages behind it are documents of each one of

085those of where we're at. If it's totally green out, the paint is done. We're finished with it. If it's not greened out, that means there's situations that we have on there where we are. Maybe we're in the process of getting some permits like I know farmers put in for the pads at different schools for some buildings. So it has those marked on each one. Out of there are 36 lines of funding on here which spread across FY25 and FY26. Out of those 36 lines, uh the way we're looking at it right now, we know that there will be four projects that probably will not be completed um out of it, which will be the renovation of transportation bus ride, which is two different lines and then replacement obviously the root gym the gym rooftop unit

086that same book that we put on hold because we're doing the DC projects. We don't want to put something in that have to remove what we put in. Uh the sewer line reconditioning will probably one that's not done as ongoing that we're identifying those areas to give the contractors to get the cost. Uh ones that are up in the air right now um are the press box at the football field at Central High School, the walkway between Sammy Book and Jim. And then the handicap ramp, we're getting the final quotes on that behind WW. There's a good possibility that that could be depends on our contractors and their availability at that time. So there could be a possible seven of those lines that will not be used, but all the others be 29 lines should

087be by the end of August. Hopefully just as you look through, we're trying to put the different pieces. I know it's important for you all on these sheets. We have the check boxes things that we know we have to do accomplish. putting check boxes in and checking whether it's accomplish the side. So that's with every project. We're going to be trying to do that moving forward, but we know that's important to you all to know where are we in the money and make sure money spent so make sure things are moving forward. So making a lot of progress this past year. >> Are you comfortable to share the link to this spreadsheet? Is that okay? I've shared it with you >> and you I'll give it to you instead of having to print everything that

088way. We need to >> but I'll share pre-share link with you and you share >> and we update that every Thursday. >> We appreciate for sure. And the three monitoring units are on schedule. >> They're they're on schedule to be done. That's one of the questions about the connecting walkway between we're trying to see if we can get a company to be able to work on that at the same time we're finishing that project coming out the hall so we're not concrete back just little things within small amount of time that should be track our last day of school so >> thanks Any questions, thoughts, concerns? >> This does not conclude our news yet. What are the figures on this comparable to figures in this? So the figures on this, I don't see the year

089on yours, but this is from this year moving forward. These are from previous years. >> Okay. So none of those are that's all new. This is all the old. So this is not maintenance. >> Okay. This this is all the CIP money you gave us in the current year and the year prior and the surplus from 24 that we allocated for those projects >> at the end of last year. >> Um can you identify maintenance? What do you all consider maintenance? And don't get I'm just trying to learn because people ask me and I don't know you know what you all is it a dollar figure is what you all capable of doing uh in house I don't don't know how how to explain you know that could work together I want to learn >>

090I think um and Evan if I'm wrong let me know but I think any of our projects that are over like a certain dollar number and and that's probably you know I know we have some things on here that are like five and you know 10,000 but this over like a a certain dollar number, we put it on our capital improvement plan. So, what we were just talking about just now is capital improvement. The things that are, you know, on those big um dollar figures that, you know, but as far as maintenance, what our maintenance group can handle is, you know, just the general, you know, um replacing toilets or replacing light fixtures or, you know, things like that. But we sub out things that are much much more difficult than that. >> Kevin, do

091you want to kind of give an idea? >> Operationally, our our funds and maintenance are for daily activities that you spoke of. That would be any incidences of plumbing issues, backups, sewer issues, light fixtures, um, anything from birds getting into buildings as far as the outside, anything that has to do with our operational facilities is our maintenance funds. Anything that necessarily dollar figure as she spoke of would be your capital improvement much like your major items you know nothing that's of magnitude say like construction or taking you know like a certain number of trees out or something like that we could do it really just depends on the amount of workload that we have because when they're not performing maintenance facilities items. They're also doing preventive maintenance. We have an extensive preventative maintenance program that

092we have to do to maintain to keep to help minimize the amount of items that we do have coming in on a given month. Say, you know, we could have several hundred work orders per month. >> Maybe this is a time to bring it up. We can talk about it later, but I got some questions in regard to that. I'm not, you know, we talk about it now. I talk about it later. I don't I'm just trying to get my arm wrapped on this thing a little bit. >> Right. So, when you look at the amount allocated, um it's usually in, you know, I see there's one for $3500 or $3,600 and one for $5,300, but mainly it's$10,000, $50,000. really large projects um that require us maybe to outsource um the repair and the you

093know the repair of the item. So, you know, the numbers that are standing out to me is 30,000, 200,000, 50,000. So, those are the ones that go on the capital improvement list, which you'll see you'll see on this one. >> I got some question. >> Are there any like do you sub out any of the maintenance work bring in contractors to to do other things? It comes back to the amount of extensive damage. Say for instance, if we have a sewer line that keeps backing up and all of a sudden we have an absolute failure, then we have to have all of that stuff. >> Yeah. I understand. And that's something like um that you have to do every like refinishing a gym floor. Is that CIP or is that considered part of the maintenance?

094>> It's not CIP. It's part of the maintenance. Is that right? >> Yes. >> And um but that is also a skill set that our >> our employees don't necessarily have. We want to make sure right. >> Oh, I'm not advocating not to do that. I just want clarification on what >> most of these projects would tie up staff for several. We can't do that. Obviously, you know, >> right? I think kind of confusion now that we're in this discussion. C a lot up to this point. We haven't been having those types of discussions. So some of the things like that don't have money in our current budget to do those types of things accomplish. So now that we're kind of on the building process, I think everybody sees the larger picture of what a

095true CIP plan is. That's your big dollar amount. Everything else will be going into maintenance. That's where we need to start looking at adjusting our maintenance budgets to be able to capture things like total recision for their last division to get their redone. So the process to get through that money is not there to be able to do it in a larger scale like that's taking the floor down. So that's where the confusion in the past. >> I think I'm going to ask my question. I might get lost in shuffle. We get to bigger and better things. Do you all have any painters on on your on your payroll? Anybody that can paint in in in your department? >> Our custodial staff will do that. >> They'll take the custodial staff will take that on

096sometimes um in the summertime. They'll paint areas. But as far as uh professionally, we we hire contractors to do that part. >> Okay. What if it's a small job? >> Custodial staff andor maintenance staff. >> Okay. >> Depending on the scale. >> I'm I'm just I tell you what, if I've gotten one call, I've gotten a dozen calls or more on the paint killing off the walls in the kitchen. They'll come up to me anywhere, you know, they'll come say, "Hey, um, my kid eat in that kitchen. There's painting off the wall. Why don't Why don't you all give the school board enough money that you know, it puts me in a in a in a pickle, a football, a whole old woman in a pickle trying to answer questions like that. I see you've

097got on the thing, it's a $100,000 estimated cost, 50,000 this year, 50,000 next year." When you put that out for if you put that out for bid, you're going to have to pay somebody to do that. Why can't that be done in house? >> The long-term solution to that is actually going to be a stainless steel laminate rather than painting and repainting an area subject to moisture. So, while we can do the short-term fixes, the long-term repair would actually be that. And so to answer your question direct is we could there are restrictions um we only can do that when there's nothing when there's no session when there's no classes in session. >> Oh I understand that >> that so we have those restrictions but you know for smaller uh scope work we could certainly

098take care of those items >> but it said repaint. So so you're saying it'll cost $100,000 to paint the tiny kitchen. The the original intent of that project, I think you're looking at the 27 CIP proposal, was to totally strip down every single kitchen in every single school and repaint floor to ceiling, all the walls. That was the original intent of that project. That project, I don't think, made the cut for the final CIP. So, we are going to touch up where the paint is peeling. If you're going to do something longterm, why spend $100,000 on paint or in three years time or four years time we do it again? I'm not criticizing. I'm just trying to get some answers if people want people eat alive. You're not giving the school board enough money to

099fix my kids kitchen up. I want to bring us out. First of all, it's great we're doing this together. Appreciate everybody's service and communities. In fact, way out at a higher level for me. I don't have a specific item, but you know, whether it's Mr. Morris's questions or Chad, I hear use the term confusion. So, I think we're we're all together for it's going to be many many many budget cycles to kind of come up with a new approach for this endeavor. So, um, one of the things that I think would be beneficial the county staff, excuse me, graphics and our programs is, uh, looking for and I'd like for the school board to see this and the superintendent. Um, because it's it's really about telling the story. And so, you got your public information

100officer. We're going to have one here soon. I guess it's like you know what what's a good way that that people can kind of see what's happening because even the spreadsheets and the and the crosswalk and the status I mean it's u people that have a specific issue may want to go that level of detail but I think one of the opportunities you have is to tell the story about all the great work that's being happening on the maintenance and CIP side and how people can see that whether it's a portal or I don't know what the answer is I I don't want to give you the the answer the The question is is how do we tell the story that we are taking care of our facilities? we are undertaking a multi-year maybe decade

101long effort to kind of you know jump ahead on like world class facilities and like you know how do we how do we put that out there so people can see that I don't know those divisions have done that you know what the techniques are I just feel like and then and then your public information officials can then you know their messaging can just tie to that hey we we said we have this goal and we got it done you know or you know you know look at this milestone we have this this project has wrapped up so I just a real high level. There's an opportunity to put a little brain thought in like what the options are out there, how other people are doing it, how we can really then um communicate the

102story about what we're all doing, which is working really hard to to to take care of the facilities and make them better. And I just feel like that put spreadsheets together for for like Chad, you got to do this dayto day. So that that works, but like I think the general public is really looking more maybe maybe a high higher level would be some of these, you know, graphic type solutions. Thanks. If I may, V do has a dashboard that addresses those items for the public. That could be something that we potentially look at mirroring at a higher level as a as a dashboard that shows capital could you know it really depends on you can kind of tailor it to what you're trying to convey. So that um I was part of that team

103that developed that dashboard. So that that gives more transparency to know I can give certain scores you know how's how's your environmental area doing how are your capital projects maintenance projects and it does it per district you can actually anybody can go in and pull those up and I think that could be an avenue that's a suggestion but that would obviously have to get developer >> yeah so that's right that's that's a brief kind of options Kevin I don't want to dictate what the answer is I just as a suggestion and whatever. It could be something as simple as just a stubby pencil version of that in the beginning, but just be able to track and capture this because there's a lot of great work being done and we know we got a lot of

104needs as well. So, like how do we how do we convey that? And so, a dashboard or something like that and obviously we'd have to weigh that against, you know, the the financial cost of doing it. So, you know, but you know, I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, if um uh you know, this county can help, I don't know. We've got to do some of the same things on our budgeting side and we put together like a whole backend system URP that'll let us project some of that cleaner I think and because we have the same question across all the county services not just school like you know where money is being spent where the projects going. So you if you had your part of it that you know maybe there's opportunity team

105work together but thanks for your time. So, um, the things that were approved, you know, we really appreciate the county giving us $5 million next year for our capital improvement, but the majority of that money is going to the elementary HVAC replacement and upgrade. So, $30.3 million of the five million that we um that we're betting for fiscal year 207 is going to um HVAC. where we're um the next thing is roof replacement at Central High School at $600,000. Resurface at track at Strawsburg High School at $500,000. Repair EAS at Northport Middle School, which is the exterior is 250,000 and also repair EAS at General Jackson, which is another 250,000. Replace the safety um the flashing safety lights, the school zone lights. Um and that's 50,000. And then uh the 10th floor at Northport is

10630,000 and then controllers at um all of our schools are becoming obsolete. So we're 20,000 even though that's a a minute cost because the larger project is a is much more expensive. So you know out of that 5 million the majority of it's going to HVAC and we know that's much needed our elementary school. So the the painting didn't even make it to the final list. It says repaint kitchen. It says kitchen walls are something etc that harbor bacteria. You need the health department regulation laws are going to be covered with paint. Why? I'm reading that couple. Why wasn't that raised to a different level by some of the other things, especially $100,000? Why wouldn't that if I am a a parent and then I read this playground upgrades $2,000 on paint? >> So, um

107change your note that says it needs to be paid but it's okay. The reality is, you know, we've been we've had to um is we haven't had enough money over the last number of years to do all the capital projects that we needed to do. We are completely behind. >> I'll give you that. >> Yes. So, and we're playing catch up at this point >> because the catch up the catch up put items that could affect the health today go at the end of the line because a track needs to be resurfaced. >> So that's a safety issue as well. If we continue to have track meets at um Strawsburg High School, um our um our runners are there's there's um in our track that if our runners are running, they can has the health

108department failed our kitchen and the schools. >> No. Okay. So, we're not there yet. I'd say I'd almost guess I'd almost bet that's probably called maybe like a misprint, you know, just because there's some paint. I I you know, I'm a little old school, but just because there's some paint on the wall on the wall and I'm not a health inspector, but the health inspector passes it, but I don't know if I I don't know if I could really agree that it's holding bacteria and stuff. >> Sorry, Dr. break. >> I'm okay. I have a comfort level that I don't have to read this and see how serious it is. You've already did that. You've already looked at this issue. And if I have somebody like that comes to me and says, "They're not maintaining

109the buildings. Here's what I have a problem with building." Yep. They have looked at the buildings. They feel that other things are more important than that right now. And it's not a safety hazard. It's not a concern to the kids. So therefore, we will get to it when the money's available. But it's not it's not grease and paint falling off the walls. That is a serious problem. >> Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think what it is is if that is the potential of what what could be happening. I think what Mr. Farmer is saying is that at the end of the year, we're just patching it up as opposed to if we had the money, we could actually go ahead and replace that so that this problem wouldn't happen again. But we did have

110other issues like you know the hback Dr. Shepard is referring to. Um but we have been having health issues and and mold and even the the um ceiling itself. I mean the roof if you if I'm not mistaken would have not lasted another winter. So that's where we have other issues that are even more of a priority because they're even more of a danger to more students that we had to put ahead. But again having to deal with limited funds unfortunately some things that need to happen and to be done having to go to the bottom of the line because there's other ones that are more pressing at times. >> The the issue is that the paint is in non food contact areas. These are in areas where there that is why it's not failed

111a health inspection because it's more or less you think about the food station being over there. The pain the peeling paint is coming from over here or under a sink. It's not in a direct >> I just use pain as an example. >> Yes. And I understand >> I want to comfort level when you're making a decision that you're going to buy a truck for $200,000. It's more important and you won't discuss that. It's more important than painting right now or something else right now or a track at Central or Charles or wherever it is. It's more important. Those items are more important than this item. It isn't for me to decide. It's not for me to decide. I want to come up with you all conscientiously decided that. And when I see the list

112of what's going to be done, when it's going to be done, all those have been taken into consideration so that when we have a budget and people come in and says, "You can't do this. You're not putting enough money. We're not maintaining the schools. We got pain in there. We got in there. put all this in there that yeah, we've put it where people are saying it should have been put when you got your scoring system and safeties number one is up there. So they have they kind of make it as objective as possible when it comes to that scoring because sometimes you understand when it comes to subjective discussions all over the place. Especially you have an objective schooling system safety is definitely top thing they always talk about >> but if you know

113it's also a juggling act because I mean um a few years ago I you know this was put aside five million a year mostly to go towards the schools and I don't remember that coming all the way to us in full each year. So I mean these things are constantly being juggled but there is a lot of confusion even here amongst us between CIP maintenance and CIP construction. So maybe if we are going to open up a portal and do this stuff to the public we can relabel these things because you know capital improvement maintenance versus capital improvement construction intertwine so much that it's very confusing. I think it's very important although we may disagree on how we get the finished product. Let me back up a minute. A year and a half ago maybe

114two years probably a year and a half ago several board meetings in a row we had parents come in point their fingers at the board. It's your fault. It's my little S doing this says that we got accused of not um funding the schools and that and I think it was a mis from the state that the school not safe and we get blamed for a lot of stuff that we shouldn't get blamed for. I think what we need to do is and I'd like for us to do this is all the same sheet of music and let's work together and get this thing out. And I'm not being critical. I'm just I I think what one thing you all need to see where we're coming from and we need to see where you're coming

115from and we're all singing together. Um but when people come up to me at church, at restaurant or food line, but then they come to our board and they're sticking their fingers at the board members say, "Get know my school's unsafe my little boy or whatever." And then they come up there and the same thing and and you all saw everybody was here. I guess these two guys. Um the other question I wanted to ask was that on the on an item here on the and I know um I've the overhangs the exterior overhangs and the exterior doors. Explain to me exactly and it's $120,000 is budgeted for this year. That $120,000 is that for labor and material. What is that? How did y'all come with that figure? >> That was labor material. That's not

116in our project. We didn't make the cut. That is the proposal that we put forward and then we get an allocated amount and then based on that allocated amount, we have to do exactly what this first thing. We got to sit down and say, "Okay, what what desperately needs to be done out of money because we don't have that type of money to spend." >> Okay. So, So that's out. Well, when you figure 120,000 when it was in, was that labor and maternal or was that maternal? >> Why why can't that kind of work be done in house? >> It can be, but it's across we have such a scope of it at this point that needs to be repaired. It's not like going out repairing one or two or three. >> I know. It's

117repairing. >> It's a hund of them. >> Yeah. But also course of the year though you can't we prepare you going to scrape it clean it and paint it right >> or totally take it down >> but would you say that that $120,000 half that's labor >> you can't do it in house y'all don't have >> we have the staff to be able to handle that and all the emergency calls at the same >> there's it really makes it challenging because you know we We get several hundred work orders per day. Not per day, excuse me, per month. Plus, we have preventive maintenance that we're doing at the same time. So, in order for us to do a project of that magnitude, then we're going to pull our resources away from other other items. >>

118So, you don't have any slack. >> How manyel >> Kevin? How big is your staff? Sorry. How many people do you have working physically? >> Nine. >> To pay you all to get an extra person that strictly >> that's more than construction. >> I know that. But well, okay. Had you ever thought about going to the regional jail? They always had one of the five containers containers that that that do work. They do house other things. Have you ever thought about maybe using the ends? Bringing them to a school, >> sir. >> Bringing them to a school. We don't have to be on weekend on holiday. No. >> I mean, I'm just on I don't come take out of the box. >> Well, you know, >> I have I mean, if we got the money

119that we saved last year, the 5 million, go back to the 5 million and we can hire fewer people. >> I suspect that your parents would probably disagree with using school. >> Is that illegal? >> I think probably the parents. You would probably get a lot of complaints. >> You think you're scared? >> I don't think that really matters because we still have students. >> You think you're scared? You think you're scared going through that now? >> Yeah. >> No, I don't know. You got a good point. Think >> you can you can hire somebody if you can save $60,000 on them on the overhang. >> I don't think >> that's that's only pay person for a year. One project. >> Okay. I think we're we're looking at this with blinders on. You're talking about

120eist repairs. It's not just painting. It's not just scraping and repainting. >> It's somebody that has to know how to do this. It's, >> you know, I don't think you can just go out and buy, you know, rent labor to come and do this. >> I don't even know how to do this. And that answer that maybe, you know, like you said, thinking out the box between the school system facilities and the county facilities, would it be worth for the county to have just a paint crew that no matter for the school in the county, that's all they do is go to a facility and repaint? Maybe that's something, you brought up a good point. Maybe that's something we need to look into. >> These are fair call. >> Yeah. >> You know, but it's

121a lot more than paint though. Yeah. Well, you know, we're talking about on the exterior and some of that will cross over into the new for the renovations anyway. So, uh, but there's there's metal, there's bended aluminum, there's all sorts of there's flashing involved. So, I mean, there's multiple trades in fixing those overhangs. So, I mean, but I I I understand your sentiment, but um it's not that easy. at least you know that and these buildings are in such disrepair that we're past the point of no return on a lot of things we have to replace them not patch them up I'm not talking about patch them up if you hire somebody that's contractor that can do contracting work they can do the flashing they can do the cleaning they can do that kind of

122thing I'm not I'm using painting for just broad you know I'm saying if you had somebody else in house to do that you could get a lot of project done a whole lot less money I Because I guess one question I have I'm just curious. Do you you all have a bank crew? >> We're organized similarly to how you work maintenance crew. >> Do you hired out? >> Yeah. Big jobs. Small job. >> But but on that note then following Mr. Morris's state then. So do you have a general contractor on your staff that can do all of those things? Correct. >> So yeah. So, I mean, that would require us to hire probably two or three people. >> Yeah. To to be able to to do all that. >> I do. I can't get

123back. I can't I'm just trying to get We can ask you questions all the time. >> I'm sure you can reach out to Mr. and slision school. I just want to be able to individuals in the community that understand these things knowledgeable like this. you know, this money and we can't get any more money. I can justify that. So, this comes down to something like this. I can use to talk to individuals that comes up and Kevin >> he's a communicator right >> he is Kevin sending me something keeps me informed what you are doing just a spreadsheet thing everybody this generally that it helps me communicate with the public I don't know maybe I don't have no problem if I'm knowledgeable about situation I can I can it and I build an expectation if

124you want this. We're going to have to do this. I think it's reasonable to say I'm an elected official away from the school and when I'm in a council meeting and I have people who claim when they ask me things on the street and I've never seen them in a council meeting and I say I will answer their question, but I also encourage them. We have meetings that's open to the public. What a better way to also educate yourself in the sense that this is a great route for you to get information firsthand rather than perception. >> That's my last. >> Yes. >> I think I thought you said we you only have nine on your staff. >> I never asked that question before. I thought it would have been more than that. Our facilities

125probably >> we have a million square feet. >> I came from a park and same amount of square feet. So I think while the perception of our group may be lazy at times that we're not keeping up with our facilities, I tip my hat to them considering the volume pure volume I've been here since November the amount of work orders and I actually read every single one of them that go through I only address the ones that need to be pushed because what I need to do but I think what we have we do we do a better job we have >> and Kevin does that nine include you like and and your you know like how many people are actually in the schools turning wrenches not themselves, >> right? >> Okay. Well, I mean,

126you know, >> reasonably with the age of our buildings and stuff, I mean, the way you're putting that there, you're doing an exceptional job because I mean, you're based in Woodstock, you might have to come down here. You might have to go up there. You have to get parts to each spot. That's a lot for >> for even 20 people, let alone less than half the room. So, Any other questions about um so this morning hearing that um this morning uh the school board has been talking about um where we go forward with our major capital projects. So that's our renovations of our elementary schools and um possibly triplet tech with a minimal expansion, a new elementary school and a new CTE um facility. So we've spent some time here talking about that. I guess

127now it's time for both boards to have the opportunity to to talk about our major capital projects and and again those are the three uh renovations of the elementary school renovation minimal expan expansion of triplette a new CT facility in Woodstock and then of elementary school. So I will open the floor to conversation. >> It would be wise to start with what we all agree on. So um which amongst all of us is renovation of the existing elementary school. So um we are in total agreement on that. Um everything else has things that have yet to be determined but um where are you guys on those? First I'd like to offer I did hear a comment offline about that's what we're trying to do with our funding decisions. Not I have no interest in getting

128lead operational maintenance. So, but on the capital spending side, um we've got to tell the story. We got to all be in sync because this is going to occur probably going to take a decade of funding cycle to get straight. And I did bring my handy book that Dr. Shep has a copy of makes it very clear that you know as the taxing authority our obligations to fund the SOP level and then fund it within the categories and pretty much everything else is within our discretion. Um that's what we're doing and so um we do agree that the Elementary innovations are something we need to get at as fast as possible so that we're not, you know, that our citizens, our kids, our educators, everybody knows that we're all in on making sure this facility

129is adequate and safe. Then then these other points of the strategy I think still require required discernment on are we tunnled in on a locked in view or solution and we don't necessarily have the answer to that. So that's why we provided some guard rails on the car funding for the studies and a that's why I think at some point today we're going to talk about a move to categorical funding in the future for our allocation annual budget. So because The worst thing that can happen is for us to not be working together on the same pursuit of music because we're not going to get the results. We're going to spend the money. We're not going to get the results. We're communicating to our stakeholders, the kids, parents, taxpayers that we're doing. So, we've had

130lots of discussions. Dr. Shepard been on many of those. I've been to some of your discussions. I'll just open because I think everybody knows where we're at. So the other components then are career technical education. I think we all recognize that we're in a period where this is needs to be an area of major focus for this generation of youth. We literally are investing in the future not just for the youth and their careers but for our industries that need those careers. Um, and we we know we already have a capacity issue because not able to satisfy every kid's need. We're in a building that's I think older than I am. So, obviously got to sort through how do we renovate it, but then also then how do we look at expanding? So I think

131forward uh settled on a tworong approach. So using the feedback mechanisms already in place such as the CT advisor panel is your expertise what your your architects your planners all that data uh would come together for what the minimal expansion would be here. Obviously there's also site considerations etc. And they're looking at also concurrently a possibility used the term new CT facility. I think when we use that term look at new CT opportunities in Woodstock, it wasn't the entire facility. It's likely a supporting component of satellite model or a system, right? And so um so that's the two parts of CTE capacity is you know what needs to get done here. a timing aspect as well. Turn kids away. You know, we got to find a way to do it in a in a responsible

132but fast manner. Um and then you know what what are those opportunities of having some sort of additional part of the system in Woodstock and that's the answer to that and then the most I think contentious part was a path forward for elementary. So um um I have not heard a clear set of facts and conclusions that lead me believe that building a new campus facility in Mtown should be the only option to consider for going to campus past. So uh um you know if that's where we end up eventually then something we can undertake but I think there's a lot of other additional options. I know that like your visit is going with Newark facility and others. I think you're having some really robust discussions about all the alternatives whether it's prekk or it's

133you know upper and lower on facilities we already own or a new site where new school where it might be but um there wasn't enough certainty that we have that nailed down so that's why we our plan was to carry forward was to do a analysis of the alternatives is there a need I think there is a need we didn't get like this overnight Right. So those governing bodies and many cases 20 years ago made decisions on zoning permits for housing, but we're not going to fix it overnight either. So we've got to be wise and responsible on what we lay out because it's not just the capital investment. It's going to change the system so that people want to be in some building 50 years from now saying, "What led to that?" You know,

134why do they decide to do that? Why do we have a whole new bus system? Why do we have all new staff in a different location? And so, you know, I think that there's still a lot of analysis that needs to be done. I think that that was what our body's conclusion was for the telemat. So, you may not agree. Um, but you know, I think it perfectly aligns with our powers and you're elected to also advance your view, which I respect. And so my hope is that we can find a way to navigate this journey together. >> If I may, um, so there's a few, uh, and I appreciate that. I I do have a few questions I must say to to the end, but um, just from our standpoint for those of us

135who have been here for two and a half years talking about this. Um, I'll start with the the new elementary schools. Um, the reason why we're talking about that is because we do have two schools at the northern campus and the central campus that are always capacity right now and that's without counting all the deconstruction that is happening right now. Um, one of the issues that we hear especially from the northern campus uh right now the teachers some of them are sharing three teachers to one classroom. I mean that's just not ideal when they're having a classroom. Um, some of them are teaching out or testing out in the hallway. We just don't have the space right now. Um, and one of the problems that we have with the northern campus uh right now we're

136addressing it with the modulars that we hopefully going to be able to the next year but there's only so far you can go with those and the main issue one of the main issues that we have with other campuses the access the egress and and ingress to the area I mean it's very limited it's a very small narrow a lot of traffic if there was an emergency as we talked before god forbid there's an emergency when when those roads are all um you know stuck in traffic because there's no ambulance and no fire truck or police is going to be able to go through so it's a real problem that we have that one with the middle with the central campus we don't even have space to do the modulars I mean that's just the

137reality we have though Robinson that is just you know sandwich in the middle we really don't have a whole lot of space to build in there so that's where the idea of the you know one elementary school in between the two schools would alleviate the the pressure from both schools going into there and also if eventually the campus started becoming also more populated and maybe some of those kids that should have been going to the central campus that were sent down there um which were in my district could possibly come back to the central campus. So that that was the idea of that one school to remediate all that as opposed to the lower you know upper elementary which should be three additional buildings. So to me it would be easier to staff one building

138and create one building than to have to staff and build three different buildings. That's that's the whole idea with the elementary schools. But one thing I did want to uh because I agree with the whole CD, we we do need to focus on that. We we even just heard the CEO Nvidia saying that the the future is the trades. Um so that's something that we do need to address. And from my perspective, I would like to have a school that has as many students as we can accommodate there. Um so I want to have more students in CTE, not just a few more students in CP. And the problem that we have with this building right here is it has it's very limited capacity what we can do here in terms of expansion. Even right

139now we were talking about the expansion of adding the seal building in the back which is kind of like a band-aid um solution but at least it's a solution for now but even that is going to entail between4 to5 million just to build that and that's not counting because we have to move the solar panels and all that stuff. That's not counting the fact that we need to acquire additional land here at triplet if it's available which we don't even know if it will be available. So the idea of the central um campus because I I had that idea that that I had shared with Dr. Shepard and a few of the other members was that we would start small. So the idea is we build a whole new CTE bigger larger that is going

140to accommodate a lot more students in there than what we could accommodate here. Um but we started in phases because we obviously don't have the funds to start big right now. So when we get the architectural plans, we have a stage one or phase one where we just build a small area, maybe build, you know, either the highways to, you know, deflect all the um pressure that we have in this building, put it down there, um or the business, either one, I really don't care, but it's just a matter of we start with that phase to at least alleviate some of that problem. At the same time, we start creating the additional uh traffic route that would help central campus because right now it's so congested as it is. So it would open up into

141uh what is it? Cuber road or um so it would allow for that as well with the idea that later on down the road. I mean then we can keep on using this one as well. we open up this area a little bit more so we can already start getting more students with the idea that down the road when we have more money we can keep on building that area um that CTE in the central campus with better facilities I mean we would build it to the code that we have we need right now we would build the high bay areas that we need right now we don't even know what kind of technology we're going to be needing in five or 10 years I mean we talk about 10 15 years ago the technology

142that we're talking about back then. It's not the technology that we have right now. So, this would allow us to have something that will be state-of-the-art, that we would have better kitchens for our culinary students, that we would have better, you know, high areas for the whatever areas, you know, we want to add or welding or whatever. Um, but it would give us the the chance to build all that and to add a lot more students because if we just renovate this area, how many students can we bring in additionally? 10, 15, maybe 20. Whereas, if we're down there and we're building a lot bigger, we could open up for a lot more students and in in in a building that would be more similar to what they would be facing once they go into

143the real world. I mean I I you know our culinary students here do a great job but you cannot tell me that they wouldn't rather have the kind of kitchen that they would have if they were out in the you know the real job. >> I'll defer my colleagues if they got any answer questions. I would just tell you I heard all those points numerous times in person and we heard them all at our at our meetings and and acknowledge all of them and have heard every one of those and fully understand every one of those. I'm still exactly where I'm at that you look at holistically decisions we have to make with the resources we have to commit to that I think I have no doubt we're on the right path we're going to

144do this in a planned manner that the outline I've already kind of summarized you know bar a change of view point here I understand that I I appreciate your clarification but I've heard all those I understand all those issues I think many cases these are symptoms of the issues that we can't necessarily solve by ourselves. And so, and then we got to figure out how we're going to resource those. And so, ultimately, that's I think the ultimate difference in our viewpoint is figuring out a way to plan for resource solutions where we have a different >> Well, since I did have a question, I did have a question on that. >> Yes. I don't make today. I keep hearing we have 100 kids. Okay. So, we take care of those kids. What we're going to

145do to the next 150 is are we just saying that's it? We're going to stop there. No. So what you're saying is absolutely right before we make a decision. Whatever you're going to do with this, you better answer your questions and give us some thought very seriously before we make a lot of decisions. And that's what you know I don't know what the plan is. I don't know what we're going to do. But I do know we said we were We were going to look at here. with soft we don't do all of it and do all of them then I don't think we push the others down the road and if we make decision on just this facility just for 100 students then I think we're making a big mistake down the road as

146well so is it going to be 100 kids it's going to be 250 What is it going to be five years from now? And once you have done that and did the evaluation, here are the pros and cons of how big the building really has to be. Do we need another? This is 30,000 ft. Do we need another 30,000 foot? And is that big enough? But if it isn't, can you add to it to make it big enough? Those types of things and come back with plan that I understand and I get behind to help. >> Well, if I may, that's my concern. My concern is there's only so much we can do with this building. There's only so much we can grow in this building. That's why the idea of having another building that

147could grow a lot bigger as our needs change would make more sense as opposed to sinking all that money into this building and then five years down the road realizing, yep, we really don't have the space. We're going to have to build somewhere else. That that's my thought um from that perspective but also there's a perspective of and we have the data right now as we're discussing that earlier today of how many students from the northern campus are not attending here because it is so far away now this last year was if you look at the last five years this last year was the anomaly I mean this current year we had more kids from um from uh Strawburg than usual but if you look at the past and what the prediction It's drastically lower.

148It's it's it should be 115 students that are coming next year and we only have 88. So we have about 27 students from the northern campus that we probably should be coming to Triplet that are not going to make it here because it's too far. Uh is it because right now the students are losing up to an hour of education every single week because they have to do earlier. They miss out on their lunches. Mr. can talk about that more than I can because the son just went through it. But um but they're they're missing out on academics. They're missing out on the lunches all because they want to make it to trip. And that's just the students that that that we have right here. I mean if we had a bigger school then we're

149talking about even more students because you know Strawberry is our second popular high school. So so there's all the to me that's what those considerations are are you know how accessible the building is but most importantly how much to do with the current building. I understand there's an attachment to it, but there's only so much >> that's one factor, but it is to me is the biggest factor. Kids in Charlottesville because of the success stories of Mount Jackson. They will come mindset as these high school students have when they hear the success stories of so and so, so and so, so and so, so and so. Went to triplet, went out and found these jobs that they have, you're gonna that is going to drive your student I think your student population. So I just

150think your population movement from your college education to the trades grow. You better know what you think that growth is going to be. Not because they want to drive X and back to what is big enough. >> I can tell you Mr. Fergus that there are parents in the Strawsburg community that would not allow their kids to apply to >> because of the loss of instruction time. >> Instruction. Yeah. contacted me and they told me too and that's not a factor. >> Right. >> Well, I just wanted to make sure you understood >> be the determining factor of what we build and how big we build. >> Agreed. Yes, sir. >> Uh first of all, y'all the construction administration position is that is it making it next year? It's posted and it's posted. Make sure

151y'all put that in. I appreciate and Mike, your first comments came down. We only said three elementary renovations. When we had our budget work session discussions, it was three elementary and this building. Yes, >> we all definitely agree because those are existing buildings and we're not a position where we can abandon. >> Right. >> Which leads to discussions like you brought up about we did talk about centrally located facility for CTD you're if you do that in other words we're still using this so you're almost running into the issue if electricity's here you do electricity also the central camps and the whole what the programs are comes into play it's come down the distance thing we definitely felt that there is need for expansion and I know when I listen to all's meeting from Wednesday

152and then I know that you had Mr. Vince came up and spoke about private public partnerships. I know they're looking at something. So there's there's a lot of options out there. I know when it comes to CTE and it's great to hear about some private funding because we'll take all the funding we can get. I wish they would do that for an elementary school. I understand the importance of elementary because people came through all to start the foundation right there. >> Couple things I want to ask and also state. We went to the co pepper homes, did the field trip, etc. I don't want this false narrative out there, people. We're still be turning students away from from our technical schools. I'm that story's out there. You know, I can just hear the public, oh,

153they just built this brand new facility and oh my god, my kid didn't get in. Because it's it boils down to having enough teachers. You're limited what the class size is, etc. Because when we were a call bearer, I think the number was way up there when it came down to the health fields. I believe they had to turn away. So we got to stop saying that talking about telling the story. We're telling a false story right here right now. We got to stop saying that. We're kind of using that as a reason why we have to do it. We don't need to use it as a reason. We need to do it because again our freezers are are breaking down who's in need and we just need to offer more programs. We need higher

154ceilings to be able to bring another program. So we got that there. inherit it too much and we do need to get as many kids in as possible. That's not going to solve that problem. Elementary is a big thing. Uh and again, Mr. Dod's point, there's a lot of questions out there still. I know when you all voted on it, you all said Tomsbrook/Maringtown area. And I know when listen, I know Whitney, you all were talking about the feasibility was a white word or something like that. But I've already talked to him and I talked to Dr. shepherd, we need to know if that is an option. In other words, the whole the park, the county farm, we need to know if that is a viable option if we do want to look at a

155possible elementary school. So, that's one thing that has to be done for sure, I think. So, those things definitely have to those are things we definitely decided to work with those right there. We definitely want the current buildings we have was a top priority. And then again, we had more discussions about the whole central facility located there. Again, we talked about alleviate the traffic situation. We thought that was a plus when it came to doing that, but Mr. F, Mr. Johnson, there's a lot more questions that have to be answered and we owe that to the public. Uh, and the elementary again, you know, I'm an education guy. Elementary is important to me, but again hasn't been decided boardwise. Uh again, the traffic goes by my house every morning uh there, but it's just not

156traffic people. It's about quality education. It's about and I know we talked about it elementary schools being too large many many years before we start talking about these other things. So, uh we definitely have to look at that. And again, I think it starts we talked about obviously it makes sense with the northern the central part looking somehow alleviate those two uh and we talked about town know what we're talking about. We need to see if that is a viable solution looking at that property. I don't care feasibility or whatever the word is but we need to term that whether that is >> and what does that process look like? >> That's I'm asking these people. >> Great question. That's what I ask you. >> No. Yeah, that's what these people come with >> because

157I you know I >> because I know what you're talking about when I remember the discussion. >> I do believe it would help us move along a little bit. >> Oh yeah. I mean it's a definitive yes or >> yeah we need that's a viable option >> and I think the maybe is what >> holding us back >> on releasing land at the county barn >> right >> for this elementary school. So now is your chance to answer the question, Mr. Chairman and others. >> Well, I I'll share my view. >> I'm on your own six. >> Exactly. >> Yeah, that's that's fair enough. But u it's feasibility of that one site is part of that analysis. >> Exactly. >> There is also many other alternatives and Dr. Shepherd, we had this discussion on our

158trip to Co Pepper, you know, but credit to one of your public hearings where one citizens of Strawber said, "What about an upper and lower elementary system?" I think that that mayor's discussion and consideration. Um, I understand from maybe your trip earlier today, you went to see a facility in New Market. you know, are there solutions that prek and K, you know, become an option to look for other sighting arrangements other than at the elementary campus. And so I believe that we need to unpack every one of the options. There may be other uh alternatives. We need to unpack all of those alternatives so we can understand the pros and cons. Um and then uh we weigh that against you know a site possible cycle we include that we're talking that's we can certainly hear

159from other perspective but that's that's >> you know I agree with what a little bit of what Tim and um you you know, we we have the priorities of those three elementary schools and triplet. And I think we almost need to I think it's been brought up before about maybe separating triplet from the elementary discussion because it's two different important discussions to have triplet. I know we have some interest in obviously putting some money into this facility, but also being open-minded about having a satellite in Woodstock. uh the T3 discussions. Jess was there last meeting and some of us met with that group um about a month ago to discuss where they are with business leaders of the county and what they're thinking. Um as far as elementary school, I think like it's been said,

160there's a lot of unanswered questions at this point that I think we need to find out about before we can move forward on anything. I'd like to know is now Brook even a reliable option or if not where could it be? I mean I'm very much open to and support you all looking into I think it's a great idea looking into these other buildings that we have around their kind of sitting idle. Um just be creative and see what we can do. As everyone knows in here, we're financially pretty stretched thin um in a lot of areas and you know we had a tax increase this year 1.6 cents and we hated to do it and at the end of the day even though it was so minimal compared to a lot of other localities,

161it still hits people very hard. So we have to remember that and try to be creative in how we want to look ahead into the future with our schools. But we all know that it's very important that we work towards this and try to get it right now before um so then you know 20 years down the road we don't have to try to um deal with it and try to put millions of dollars into something else that could have been done well the first time. So again I'm open to considering you know what are the options Tom Brook obviously with my knowledge of being involved with the schools I know there's a need my only concerns are not enough answers right now and the financial side of it is going to be a big

162issue. Um beyond the three elementary schools I think we're pretty comfortable having as far as where we're at now on the tax side and then you know triple it we'll see but then beyond that I know that's where it starts to become more of a tax burden and you know from our perspective we have to do a better job bringing trying to bring industry to this county and that way that can some of that. So that's our thing and we need to work on continue to try to find ways to bring in more revenue streams and help offset the burden of our taxpayers a little bit because as we know people are struggling out there trying to do what's best for everybody. >> Okay. Um number one is um as I said last year in

163the campaign I think we can address these issues uh simultaneously uh by addressing them doesn't mean we fund them all at one time. But getting back to um and the freedom issues the maintenance is expansion and it's CT. So you know we we we've got a lot on our plate. Marty Town is certainly an opportunity or an option. No, no question about my couple of my concerns. Number one is access to the schools. I think the first thing is that that you all need to reach out and I'm answering your question. Reached out to Voc um access to things. Number one, I think she already probably had a question. Um if you go to um uh time search roads. That's not a good option. I'm not saying it won't work. That's not a good option.

164If you go down 11 and turn into park entrance, number one is how much is it going to take away from the existing park? I think we need to be cognizant of that because that part is utilized. Now, if if it takes away from if we lose the ball field, if we lose disc golf, what do you call it? Frisbee golf. What? You use the word frisbe >> frisbee. Okay. I guess you know having wor >> um then we we need to look at um a compactor site in March in Martown um generated 109 tons of trash. It's a second busiest compactor site in the county behind the stan that way. Okay. head room. So in our long-term plan and the board saw this CIP plan is that we may enlarge that compact site or

165move it and move contact site is about possible there back door. So we're looking at possibly enlarging that uh because of the capacity of trash and accessibility to the the homeowners um to So that's going to you got three or four different speed limits there from the south end of Martown to Thomas Brook. And so you have to look I think do I really need to give you all some guidance as to you know what their thoughts are and I'm just throwing this out there because you asked my opinion on this. The other thing and and I talked to Mike about this early on. Um the battlefields are going to play a little bit of a history. Do I think we can work through that? Absolutely. But that is another line of that look through.

166So these things will kind of paint a little bit of a preliminary picture as to whether how accessible this is. Um and again if we take away we if we take away from certain part of the park we may have to take additional land from the county farm to make up the loss at the park. So a lot of different things you know that they're option absolutely a good option. I don't know if we get some of these business at the same time while we're doing that if looking at doing that. We just want to take a look at them as well. So that that what can we do to heard Somebody came Understand if you're trying to eliminate the number of students they know we're thinking about this hold got their feedback. I know

167that when I go to central campus school, you can't get in there and get out of there because parents dropped their kids. I have two kids and I got to drop one off Wood. What kind of feedback am I going to get? Am I going to get buy in for that? Remember these are the ones that are going to be paying the taxes to do it. They're the ones going bey is a big a big factor. The other one is along with the building itself the cost of the building itself. What is the impact going to be to the operational expense running regardless of where you teachers? many buses, many maintenance people. What is that going to impact is that going to have to the operating budget of the school system that we need to

168be concerned about talking about that I will talk about. Um is it the only option that will address the need? I haven't really officed that would be okay with that too. I think it's your meeting somebody think I don't know what it is and I'm still that position. Hey guys, what a what a fun time to be right now. Where are years ago, four years ago, people were saying, "Hey, we're going to school." And they went through a bunch of stuff. Now you guys are going to go through a bunch of stuff right now where it's going to be dressing elementary. It's a fun time to be alive because it's a really challenge and I think all work together right now and we keep the public well informed together. uh what's going on. I think

169we get to the other side and we'll do the best for this other necessary fund. I think they will whatever that is. Why the single most important thing that's safety that we have that we do educate our kids. I'll wrap it up. >> I said I'll wrap it up. person just a couple things. >> One thing is uh I have been uh you know out involved with the community business community business 110 plus% a question about is Dr. You don't have a many students for this coming 26 27 are not able to come here >> but u I can envision uh and I'm speaking partnership say, "Well, how did that happen?" Well, I went to this about a year ago when we got to talking about it and say that it's almost maxed out means

170the opportunity to grow into more programs and all was just what can we do? What can we do? And uh there there's be there will be money available for the private side to be able to uh to fund some. Now personally looking I can see something maybe in Woodstock as far as the health goes. I think hospital said that there be five probes that would go into that from here and I I can envision something of that. Here's some another thing with all the growth at Woodstock and all the houses. Do we know how much you talk about traffic jams now had all these a couple hundreds and hundreds of houses more and then try to put a a school down there. I think we need to go uh to a place where it's it's

171not as congested. Yes. Uh it is here. Some people might disagree with me. U the the strong church students come down here. Was it 20 25 miles? Is that is that is that fair for their number? >> 24 my house here. >> 24 from your house. Um it it's it's unfortunate but look at all these these kids that are driving to a community college uh every day every day where be ridge or beholding years and years ago and things. Um but uh you're money is going to be a big thing and we got to we got to think outside the box. Uh we missed a building opportunity I feel uh a couple months ago. It just it just never played out rich. So now we got to move on and hopefully uh some land could

172be purchased to enhance this area here. Uh that that's my take on Trip Tech right now. And as as far as on the uh uh on the little Strawsburg side of of another elementary school, Strawburg Woodstock. Uh that's a we've got got to get the exact uh uh plan and present it out to the people. The the people if we can get them on board, then uh it'll make all of our jobs a lot easier. All our jobs. And so so that's that's my take. I've been supportive of Trip Tech for all these years. I will continue to be. Uh because trades is where it's at as far as sending students off to college. What it cost to go college these days, these ones that are coming out that graduated last Thursday and have a

173certification way way further ahead down the road way. That's my spiel there, Mr. favor. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Uh yeah, we're very fortunate on the CTE side. We are having private options coming up with the supports, which is awesome. Uh like I said, we had all of those. The biggest thing, and then this came up when we had our budget discussions, is I don't want this elementary to get lost. uh because I think you could very easily kind of be kind of pushed down a little bit and I still think it's a it's one of our greatest needs if not our greatest need and as you saw there's a lot of questions that have to be answered. So I just want to make sure and we the title we're mar town has been mentioned

174for a long time. We need to find out about it is going to take a V do what etc. What's it going to look like? It's gonna where does the Thomas battlefield come into play? Where does it impact our park? Where does it impact the county farm? And you're right. Then we'd have to have the public on board in order to do that. Uh so we need to start answering these questions. We're asking the questions. We need to start getting answers. That's the bottom line. because I think we all agree there's a need there. Everyone said in here there's a need for elder. It's been talked about for I think some of those competitations is the most expensive. But I Mr. First is I think our I think our community will step up. I really

175do. >> They have in the past because they're right. It's our children. It's most important for workforce development, economic development. I mean, look at our schools, people. And we've got the largest schools in the Commonwealth, I think. On is Robson number one yet, or they yet? >> They're in the top five. >> In the top five. >> The other ones are up there in the top. >> Um, see if I can speak. So, listen to y'all's what you're all saying. I'm just throwing this out there. I hear the word options, and that's true. That's why we're here, you know, and we we we we're all not all going to agree on one thing. I'm sure you know whether we agree, whether we disagree, but the important thing is that we do look at all of

176our options. And I think what else is also important is we all know it, but but to be to clarify is we need to see a price for that option. Doesn't see a price because I said earlier today, the reality is it's going to cost money. It's going to cost the taxpayers. We I I don't know what this county can what the citizens can support and that's the reality. Sure, we all would like to have new schools. Sure, there's no doubt about it. But what can what is the reality is what can we support? And then also looking down the future. So along with that, I'm just just, you know, what what threw up the red flag. Um, well, but not red flag, but the the the idea was in our in one of our

177meetings in the past, real short, not too long ago in the past. Um, I think Gloria is actually one that brought it up. I've said for quite a while to people, I envy Rockingham County because they went about it with the small elementary schools. And then I've talked to Dr. Shepherd and she can elaborate if one or two how important it is, how how beneficial it is for the young kids, prek K to be in a small environment compared to you just said WW. Wow. What a what you know they hey they run a they they do a great job for the size of their school capacity. >> They do an outstanding job. But it's still big. Can you imagine going there as a kindergartener? You know, all that commotion. So anyway, I think it's

178important that we do see all the options. New elementary school town. What would it take the price? How much does it cost to staff it? That was a good question that you brought up, Mr. Perks. You know, so that's option A, you know, what are we looking at there? Option B, you know, we visited New Market Middle School this morning. So the theory there that refired this a couple weeks, two weeks ago is, huh, maybe we do, maybe there is opportunity to catch up, to do things right, to find a facility to do to move our prek and our K there. Number one, that's what's best for students. That's number one reason. Number two, okay, with the long term, back to Dr. It all started with Dr. kinder giving us a presentation on long long-term

179um you know CIP you know down the road really really looking down the road 5 10 15 20 so maybe okay so option B is that the route to go with a new elementary school maybe it's planning 10 15 years but does option B take care of our space now asked Mrs. Proctor earlier um met Sandy Hook. She told me was it seven kinderg seven seven kindergarten classes preschool was it five >> three same exact >> 10 classroom >> yeah 10 classrooms if we could find a facility in the northern campus that would free up 10 classrooms. Okay, I'm not tossing option A out the window. I'm just saying h you know let's be let's look at all I'm just saying let's look at all options. So that's option B. um to free up 10

180classrooms there. She said seven and seven at WW that's 14 classrooms that free up. Uh southern campus is three prek classrooms and I think four five 10 5k there's eight. So now I did contact um so let's just use southern camp as example because that one was really you know fell online um even though the town had a very affordable cost to purchase and I mean affordable um the crew I was told by very good resource just figure $5 million what they did though with the right though if you have the right person it is there are tax benefits to take that five down to three and a half tax advantages you know whatever grants whatever >> so yes that would be three let's just use three and a half you know approximately >> so

181those three and a half I'm just throwing this out there if three and a half at each um and this will bring on another subject. I'm just going to put it out there, mention it, but we can talk about later. We own the old Edinburgh Middle School, the charter house. What are what what are the options there, that facility that we already own? Um the big question mark obviously is doing the campus. But what I'm getting at is is say three and a half whatever that money is, three and a half southern, three and a half northern, whatever the charter house. My point is if that ends up being 10 or 12 million, that does solve some problems probably pretty quick or quicker uh and a lot feasible for the taxpayer instead of spending $50

182million for a new school. I guess that's what I'm looking at because 10 or 12 million, does that option make better sense to the taxpayer? you know 10 or 12 million say 12 million compared to 50 million because also with triplet with CTE in mind we have that cost that we all agree needs to need some attention quickly so I agree what are the options so I would like to you know throw out on the table option A what you talked about elementary school in Martintown Brook area the cost of that the cost of staff it um versus option B, what we visited this morning, background, um you can help me on this. Um special ed, preK and K, the teachers that have special ed, do they have other plat other grades or would they

183be able to go to that outline form? >> You know what I'm getting at? So some of our special ed teachers are K1, >> but do they are they higher than K1 or Oh, they're >> K1. >> So I don't know that would be something that the special ed stay at the elementary school. >> We could. >> Yeah. >> So looking at all options now. I'm just throwing it out there whether we agree, whether we disagree, but option A, now we have an option B. We have an option C. >> I think we need to bring this educators into that discussion. >> You're thinking outside the box. >> Yes. >> Using Mr. Baker's theory that's >> if I can say something just um just for clarification I mean these are things we have been thinking

184about and we have been talking about this for two and a half years. Those of us who have been on the board, Mr. Gosh was here too. We've talked about all this. We've talked about the idea of having other buildings that the problem that we have is we can't find anything in northern campus that would help alleviate that since we can't really build in there. So these are not new ideas. It's that we have been talking about we've talked about different buildings in Edinburgh. We had even talked about like that air distribution and then we talked about like even the one that we saw today that pretty much when I talked to Mr. Farmer about this you Mr. farmer. He said pretty much this building is going to have to be demolished and started over

185again. That's one of the problems that we have with a lot of these buildings that we're looking at is that they're in such bad condition. We're going to have to tear them all down and start from scratch. So, it's not like we're going to be saving, you know, as much as we think we are. Um the idea of the Mortown land came about because it's already owned by the county. So, it would save the taxpayers having to buy additional land. Even here in Triplet, if we decide to um to enlarge this one right here. We're going to have to buy additional lanes. Right now, we have the Mortown that you guys own. We have the one in the central campus that if we did the CDE there, we already own that one. So, those are

186those are costs that we are actually saving the taxpayers if we go that route. Um, one of the problems that we have too, you know, you mentioned the operational costs. Right now, we start a new elementary school, we're going to have the operational cost of that one school. If we go with the upper and lower elementary uh model, which I've been a part of when I was in in Pennsylvania, um you're talking about three additional schools that you're going to have to staff. So now instead of one school that you're building, now you're talking about three schools that you're building. Smaller, but you're still having to acquire land and build three different schools and staff those three different schools. So I just want you to because again, these are things that we have been talking

187about for two and a half years. This is this is not new. I know I complain about it probably a little bit too much, but it is something that we've been talking about it again and again brought that we have is every two years we get new members and then we're going to have to start a discussion all over again and it was probably even talked about before I came on the board. Um, but I just want you guys to remember that that we're talking about the one what Tom was saying option A is one elementary school versus the three different ones because something is going to have to be done. We cannot really build more of a northern campus. So, we're going to have to find another building that we can do that. If

188you guys can help us find that, that would be great because for two and a half years, we've been talking about it. We not found anything. Um, and um, you know, those are things that we're going to have to consider. Central Campus, we cannot add any more to that. I mean, that that school is already tapped out. So, so again, to the extent that you guys think that we have a better option, then by all means, present it to us and then we'll be happy to take a look at it and see. I mean, if you guys have a building or land or whatever it is, you have >> I wanted to follow up want to follow up on what she was saying about the the county farm is 234 acres only 20. >> Yeah.

189I don't I think I don't think the problem how you access that that would feel comfortable. And I if I were y'all I tomorrow, get a meeting set up and just ask questions. You know, we're thinking >> that's not going to cost little or no money. Same way the battlefield >> Well, the battlefield's there and I'm on Tberry all the time. I was just there last week cuz somebody was down there digging a big hole on the battlefield property. >> So, um, and I had to make a phone call about that. >> Well, it was funny. It was big enough. I almost made the joke. Did you guys start digging with Miss Wine shovel? Because I mean it was pretty big. >> Um but just that to have that little bit of ground looked at

19010 grand for for just an archaeology and that was level one uh become for you know federal code 106 has a lot in it and that's core battlefield like they fought for the county department. This is an outline thing. I mean, so if they find anything in level one or two, it has to go level three. And it may become cheaper to buy land than to have to pay for that thing. We're talking possible millions of dollars. >> But you all need to know that upfront, not after the fact. >> Wow. We we wouldn't know that until we did archaeology. Well, >> so and the mitigation things with several 106, I mean, they're they're high. And the only way to get around that is if you don't lose any federal money. But with us having

191to do a traffic study on federal on US Route 11, we can't get around. Did they do archaeological carved out the dumpster? >> And it's much more straight now. But like we had over 200 acres. So it took exactly where you're talking about. I mean if we come back and say hey we want to go down church road you know the might different part of the farm. Yeah. Well, >> you mentioned T-berry. I mean, there's no way that that will handle a >> Well, that's the reason we know when you all vot. So, that's the we just need to get those questions answered, right? We need to move forward and find out if that is an option or not because we're committed to Gloria. It just we it's been out there forever. People, let's answer

192this question. Is that a viable option or not? What's it going to take? That's what I I think this board would like to see it. That board would like to see it. And again, if then we'll decide, but there's other options. That's fine. But I know that's one option. You don't set time. I'm not property that fits that break at this time. But at least we get just some answers. That's I think everyone thinks that's >> so if I'm hearing correctly. Sorry about that. Um you guys you guys are on board on donating that land. If it is a feasible option, we don't want to sink money into a feasible feasibility study. If you guys come back and say no, we're not giving you that land. Let's let's want to hear about what's it going

193to take, what's what impact going to be on the farm or the park. So that's part of this option questions who need to get the information >> at this point in time. I'm concerned. Yes, I just want to know more information. >> But Dennis, I think you mentioned and Mr. Ferguson did too. How do we get the public I mean for that like how do we get the residents there you know >> I don't see any sense to get the res involved in it >> understood >> you know and then what's the process to find out if it's feasible >> is there a clear >> step forward I was going to say is in my mind while detailed and collegial the discussion the narative I wrote today is not in my mind feasibility study. Those

194are viewpoints that can be factual but they don't put a number to it. They don't quantify it. Right. Uh I've spent a career doing this in another occupation. I don't think that say model applies here but certainly there's somewhere there's something that the school system used to go through an analytic process to weigh pros and cons. There's both empirical costs and there's other things like when I for example in the interest of time we don't have to impact us now back to the you know decisions we make today will impact the the the community and that sense of place we have in the future so are there other uh qualitative impacts of having school facilities that are in the town where the kids and the families live you know the working through all the empirical

195and qualitative consideration so that it's not just about okay we got a piece of land there let's build that's really not analysis. That's just kind of a you know grabbing the most obvious option. So Mike to your point is I think that the the balls and y'all support figure out how to put that feasibility analysis together but just hearing the same kind of angle to really move the dial for me. It's about you know let's look at across the spectrum you know what are the different implications pros and cons. uh it's still it's going to be a judgment call I think at the end clear winner but at least we have good visibility transparency of weighing all those different factors. So I don't I don't want to dictate how you do it, but I just

196think it's got to be it's going to take a little bit of work and that's why we want to fund that so that that effort be done and then we can take that story to the citizens and and I mean the first thing you go to the citizens they're going to say where's the go to the school and right now no one has any answers. So you know if those citizens down there could be a lot of lot more unanswered question that's my >> well you know and on that stretch of road um we've done a number of things along for the battlefield I mean I was mentioning when we were meeting earlier that's going to be an extended study because that's a US and you know whatever the thing >> although not poor battlefield

197the whole farm >> it stretches all the way down across 11. So I mean it's if not then it's it's um you know around or you know surrounded battlefield that whole area is the line stretched all all the way through the farm but I mean but just looking at VOTE and US11 he's going to add you know probably a year and a half or two years to any project because they're going to have to study turning lanes and I'm Not saying it can't be done, but if we could find another spot in that area, I think it would be a lot easier. Um, you know, but Mark, you seem to be talking more about the studies of whether we'll need to build a new school rather than where. And um along with what Tom is

198doing here, I mean I think our best bet in the immediate future is to move the prek and K kids out because that would give enough space in each existing building to get us through for at least the time being. What I've heard is one of the most acute challenges is looking for physical options, facility options in in Strawburg. It sounds like we have some more candidates in the rest of the council. So part of it is, you know, not just one state, but I think that that those community elementary school as a theater model. The irony is that kind of the paradox is like the two towns that have two of the three campus schools are also have their own essentially town elementary schools that have the most acute need or additional space. take

199kids from two biggest towns and bus them 20 minutes away from their sibling than their parents to nowhere in order to have them as that part of that community seems a little bit of a unique way of looking at it. Obviously the the need is most important in those towns but it also begs the question should we be looking for at least options whether there's prekk split or upp or lower why are we looking at all the the range of alternatives which includes thinking about the implications for those kids those parents that those ru those communities like you know it seems like you know like you know some of that applies to this discussion >> well we have we have been doing that. We just haven't found there's something that you know or anybody else

200knows that there's a facility in the northern campus or central campus. I mean central campus we're even thinking about the charter house like like street mentioned but there's a tenant in there right now. So we have to break that break that that's the whole point is we have been talking about this we have been looking at this we've just not found anything and if you every what you know every once in a while we'll find something like what we saw today that still needs to be torn down and started over again. So that's what I'm saying. If you know of anything of the upper campus, >> that's not the >> No, I know. But I mean, you're looking you're not going to rehabilitate that $2 million. >> No, but we talk about a good comparison

201and and I did want to address that because you and I probably we obviously come from different backgrounds and you know, we're not in the same field and I I don't agree with you, but that seemed like a a solid structure. It seemed like it, but the the to me the common sense comparison is they they just did the old triple middle school and it took $5 million before grants for tax breaks. So, in my book, I don't know about you all, but for three and a half, $4 million is a lot cheaper than $50 million instead of tearing it down. Well, remember I was there. I wor got the tax credits. We had to build the building historical building. Not conducive to what it was going to be used for, but accordance with what

202the state said we had to do to get the tax credit. got nice. So you just can't go get a building and say I'm going to get all these pretzes. If you want to change it, you want to put a wall in here and that was an existing Well, you can't do that. If you want to change out that door, no, you can't change out that door. Part of the door. So, >> but my point is you all did. >> Huh? >> My point is you all renovated functional >> according to what state said we had to do. necessarily a school. >> No, but but in this case, that building is still set up to be a school and it could be turned back into a school in my opinion a lot easier than it

203could into the renovations that were made at that building. So, you know, we're it's we're not exactly they're not it's not an apples to apples comparison. >> Oh, yeah. It was we had a gym. We had six classrooms. We were changing the structure that much, but it was a historic development, >> right? So, had to go back. >> I think another >> you go right here. >> I think another comparison would be um the charter house school because it's probably fairly close. And I think I'm right. It was about $4.5 million to renovate it. >> That doesn't sound right to me. >> 20 times. I don't know. >> I was there. >> Yeah. 2012, right? So, it's probably about the same as >> the new I got a post session. I know, but again, we

204agreement obviously renovation for elementary school and this school, the CTE, we know we got private partnerships. They had the biggest discussions having the elementary level. What I was going by was you all voted new elementary school in the Tom's booktown area. That's the reason I know you were thinking county farm park. So I thought that that has to be answered. But obviously through our discussions a lot of other things have popped up and that's you all people about it's going to be a PKK option routes and things like that when it comes to elementary uh needs. Uh and as you heard there's an awful lot of questions and that you all have as well. So obviously they need to be answered but like I've said I know that town park is like sounds like that

205one has to be answered whatever has to be done there but you all definitely it sounds like y'all need to have more conversations we all better uh let's not forget I know it always comes back to money I know money is important people but we're talking about quality instruction for our kids that's the number one thing so I know staff you all don't want to say your all's opinions this elected officials. In other words, your all's input on what's best for our kiddos is very very very important in these decisions we make. Uh so we got to keep that in mind as well. Those other things are factors too. But the biggest thing is we got to do what's best for our kids. Not just now, but today's point 20 25 years down the road.

206It's not going to get cheaper. It's not going to get cheaper because it never does. Mr. Baker, you're bing bill there. No, just just one comment here. Uh it's interesting back when I think Mr. Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Morris he left but they had feeder schools in every town market and then uh when they decided to go I guess it was in the early 90s campus concept I was concerned I said I don't know about this so this is what we're battling right now the biggest schools in the state the biggest schools and what we found out is big is not better big is not better than anything. So, uh my take is I kind of like the way in house outside the box and try to get the some of those students out of

207the schools there and get more to a manageable level and so some good some good suggestions good suggestions. >> Before we close up, can I just I will be remiss if I forgot to say this, but we have some personel maybe some of you know with staff and teachers and all that and um especially the teachers from the northern campus um said that they wanted to have you guys over um to tour the schools and see exactly what it is that they're talking about in terms of the overcrowding and the traffic and all that kind of stuff. So they may be reaching out to >> I think they recommended 7:45. >> Yeah. >> Yes sir. I'll call you and donut my horse. >> You better thank him for that. >> Thank you very much. Thank

208you. >> We're done. Good luck, you guys. I can reach out to the correction center. That's the only building I told. I mean, >> but that's the only thing I can think of. >> I see. It's like old time. I just want to make You're not going to fall asleep. take a look at our website. >> All right, have a good one. Yes. >> No, I don't. >> Thank you. Thank you. Have a good afternoon. I sincerely appreciate it. I just It's kind of difficult being like this, but it's reality. >> Y'all have a good day. Take care. >> Sound is still How you doing, sir? >> Good. How are you, brother? >> Good to see you. >> Hey, how are you? >> I need your bill, please. >> I know you do. >> I

209would like to pay you. >> I would like to get paid, dude. >> There's there's a whole story behind that, but >> I would never. >> So, I ran joint meetings on both sides. I should have known this. >> We should have had a little time like this. >> Should we get closer? >> We're gonna what? We're gonna move you some motion session. Brandon, how was your trip up? >> It was good. >> A lot of construction as you guys probably >> going back. >> How long does it take you? >> Yeah. >> Sorry. I let you go just shower. >> That's all right. It's all right. I'm sorry. provision of legal advice by such council under Virginia 2.2-371A88 and in order to discuss and consider several personnel matters involving the assignment appointment promotion performance

210demotion salary discipline or resignation of several employees such as county public schools under Virginia code 2.2-37814 2-3711814 and pursuant to the provisions of Virginia code 2.2-3711829 to discuss the award of a public contract involving the expenditure of public funds including interviews of biders or offerers and discussion of the terms or scope of such contract where discussion in an open session would adversely affect bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body and pursuant to the provisions of Virginia 2-37183 to discuss or consider the acquisition of real property for a public purpose or the disposition of publicly held real property for discussion in open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position negotiating strategy of the polling body. Do you have a motion? Two, I move that the Shando County School Board convene a closed meeting under

211the Virginia Freedom of Information Act to consult legal counsel employed or retained by public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such counsel under Virginia code 2.2-37118 and to consider several personnel matters involving the assignment, appointment, promotion, performance, emotion, salary, discipline or resation with Virginia code 2.2-37 11 A14 and to discuss the award of a public contract involving the expenditure of public funds, including interviews of biders or offers and discussion of the terms or scope of such contract where discussion in an open session would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the clubless body under Virginia code 2.2-3711 A29 and to discuss or consider the acquisition of real property for a public purpose or of the disposition of publicly held real property where discussion in an open meeting

212would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body under Virginia code 2.2-3711A3. >> You heard the motion that we convene a closed meeting. Is there a second? >> Second. We got two seconds. All in favor of the cake saying I >> opposed. No guys prevail and we will adjourn and close session all the services. Is there a motion to reconvene and open session? >> Move to reconvene in open session. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> And there is a second. All in favor will indicate by saying I. >> I. Opposed? No. >> Eyes prevail. Shandro County School Board hereby certifies by roll call vote that to the best of each member's knowledge one only public business matters lawfully exempted open meeting requirements by Virginia law were discussed in the

213closed meeting to which this certification resolution applies and two only such public business matters as were identified in the motion convening the closed meeting were discussed or considered by Shandro County School Board. Each member will respond. I subcertified when called upon by the board and I call for a roll call vote. >> Mr. Shy, >> I so certify. >> Mr. Street, >> I so certify. >> Miss Carlinia, >> I so certify. Miss Pence, >> I so certify. >> Mr. Ripper, >> I so certify. >> Mr. Bates, >> I so certify. Uh we don't have a number of comments but I do want to thank the superintendent her staff um and the clerk especially for hanging in there in the A material for the retreat and discussion with the board supervisors. Um we invested a lot

214of time but we also gained a lot of information that we didn't have before. Good information makes for good decisions in my way of thinking. Um, so the organization and planning was great. Meal was perfect and Mr. Butler was refreshing. That gave us a little education going out the door. >> Is there a motion to adjourn? >> To adjourn. >> Thank you, Mr. Is there a second? >> Second. >> And there is a second. Mr. Cario, all in favor of journ by saying I opposed. No, we are. >> Thank you.