School Board Public Hearing and Work Session 02/02/2026

001February the 2nd, 2026. I note for the record that school board member uh Mr. Street from district 2 is absent and we are not expecting him later. There is a request from a school board member to join this meeting electronically. According to schoolboard policy B double D, Miss Gloria Carino, District 3 school board member, requests to join the school board public hearing meeting electronically from her home located in Fort Valley due to the likely precarious conditions on the roads and her driveway tonight due to the expected melting and then refreezing of ice on the roads. Members of the school board may use remote participation instead of attending a meeting in person if in advance of the meeting each member seeking to use remote participation notifies the chair of that. And that was uh that box

002was checked off early this morning. However, I need a motion to uh allow Mrs. Carino to participate electronically. I move to approve Miss Gloria Carenio to participate on uh via Zoom. Thank you, Mr. Rickett. Is there a second to that motion? >> And there is a second. All in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. >> Oppose. No. Welcome to the meeting, Miss Carinio. Item number two is the approval of the agenda and the chair seeks a motion to that effect. >> Move to approve the agenda as presented. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> There is a second. All in favor of uh approving the agenda as uh printed and as presented, please indicate by saying I. I >> oppose. No. And the agenda is presented. >> We now go to uh section

003three, which I know all of you are anxiously awaiting the pre-budget public hearing and funding request. The public hearing is scheduled today. It has been moved from January the 26th. Uh, it is scheduled for today. The Shannidoa County School Board welcomes public comment from Shannidoa County residents, parents, or guardians, as well as from current students and employees of Shannidoa County Public Schools. School board members do not respond to public comments during this part of the meeting time. Each speaker will may speak for up to three minutes. The board generally allows up to 30 minutes for public comments on agenda and non-aggenda items at the beginning of the meeting. If there are are a large number of speakers, the board may limit the total time for comments and/or may reduce the time allotted to each speaker.

004All comments should address a matter related to the Shannidora County Public Schools. Complaints regarding division employees should be directed to the school principal and appropriate school division officials. The school board expects each speaker will be courteous, modeling for our students how one can respectfully disagree with others views. Speakers will address their comments to the entire school board and not to one individual school board member, to the superintendent, to a staff member, nor to the audience. Speakers will not engage in personal attacks. Speakers have signed up. They will proceed to the microphone directly behind Mr. Long. Thank you. uh to speak at the at this public hearing. The school board clerk will has ascertained speakers to indicate their role as stakeholders and valid addresses. Speakers are called in the order in which you signed up. If

005time allows, the chair may allow comments from individuals who have not signed up. A speaker may not speak more than once on a specific topic. Speakers who wish to speak on more than one must submit a separate request for each item. If you as a speaker would like to present written comments to the school board, eight copies should be provided to the schoolboard clerk as the speaker approaches the podium to speak. And it appears that the uh first person to speak is Robin Stout. Good evening everyone. My name is Ralph Stout. I'm a parent at Sandy Hook Elementary School. What I would like to discuss with you today are my growing concerns for the students learning environment, health and safety in teachers planning space. My child has expressed for the past couple of years while

006working or studying in the hallways has made it difficult for her to focus and at times complete work due to the lack of classroom space. Children should be provided with enough classroom space to enhance their learning and have fun doing it. I believe children thrive best in these learning environments. It helps to boost creativity and social skills. Even though modular classrooms have been provided, I as a parent am very concerned for the children and teachers to have to walk out to these buildings in bad weather conditions. Then when they are inside do not have access to running water. This will be a continuous interruption to their learning environment as they will have to take the time to reenter the school building to use the restroom. This will also limit students hydration which improves cognitive function

007and memory. This ultimately enables proper hygiene to wash hands if hand if hand sanitizer is not provided in the classroom. This could lead to more illness which will cause students to be absent and miss in school instruction. My last point is for our teachers. We have a wonderful group of teachers at our school who deserve a quiet and organized planning space to focus on preparing lesson plans for their students to thrive academically and socially. Our teachers go above and beyond right now to assure our students are achieving academic goals. A quiet This will boost morale and reduce stress for a more relaxed environment, improving student academic performance. For our students academic futures and teachers, I urge you to please consider a new centralized elementary school so that our current can be ready. Thank you all.

008>> Thank you, Miss Stout. Up next, Ann L. Wanking. Good evening, school board members and Dr. Shepard. Tonight, I am here to advocate for all of the students and staff of our three elementary schools to move forward with the necessary funding needed to begin the process to construct a new elementary school, preferably in Maritown. This plea is no longer a want. It's an urgent need and the thought of expanding the existing elementary schools would be the same band-aid approach that has gotten us to this critical place. Tonight, it's up to you to either continue down the same pathways that have led us to these numer numerous urgent needs or demonstrate some level of wisdom and financial intelligence to move forward with the new elementary school so we can attempt to save the buildings we have

009and properly renovate them, but not to expand them. Expanding these schools will only continue to worsen the issues we already face. There will be increased traffic congestion, longer lunch periods, large classroom sizes, more discipline issues. There's no auditorium for assemblies or after school programs. And the research supports that larger elementary schools ne negatively impact student academic achievements and growth. The current Shindo County Public School journey toward success will only be successful if these funds are invested right now where the need is the highest in our elementary schools. In October of 2025, I stood before the school board members and provided visual evidence of why we needed to build a new elementary school. There was backed up sewage. There's mold, soiled and stained carpeted classrooms, leaking roofs, and fluctuating temperatures due to deterior deteriorating HVAC systems.

010Now, 15 months later, we've only had maybe eight classrooms with new vinyl installed and the trailers that have just recently arrived on our school property with no plumbing and no date provided when they will be usable. and the return of mold and the attached gym that was shut down just over a year ago for the same thing, but just a new shiny pan to catch the mold spores. I would like for you to explain to us tonight how our three elementary schools can be properly renovated and outfitted with the new HVAC systems, remove the carpet to be replaced with vinyl, roof and plumbing repairs over the summer breaks, especially when we have kids wreck and summer school programs all year long. Our community is growing all around us and we need to know that you

011have our backs by investing in what is needed now. Thank you. >> Thank you. An >> uh third speaker Deanna Di prepared. There were modular uh classrooms at my elementary school. Um, I'm a mom um at Sandy Hook. Um, my son is an amazing person, but um, he has had a lot of behavior issues in his classes that has um, had a negative impact on his education. He's really loved his teachers and they've all left. Um, which breaks his heart. Um, let's see what else. He does have random respiratory issues all winter long, which is suspicious. Um, I've also have been told that maybe the security for lockdowns is not up to code or up to snuff. Um, which is very concerning because he's had two lockdowns. Um, which has been very traumatic for him.

012He still has like triggers um with the bell that goes off. Um, what else? See, I should have written stuff down. community events. Our community events can't hold the community, which is just not great. Um, what else? I feel like that's enough reason there. Um, yeah, I guess that's all I have to say is that we just need another elementary school. Um, the sanitary conditions are not great. I don't even like the location. how now that um security is such an issue in elementary schools, it's all one road. It's terrifying actually. Um that's all I have to say. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> And batting cleanup, Jesse Pearson. All right. Well, good evening. Uh, thank you board members, superintendent, and all those serving Shando County for this opportunity to speak. Um, thank you for your

013time and your efforts in serving Shando County. I have a kindergartener currently currently attending Sandy Hook Elementary School. He's the third generation of my family to attend the same school facility and the fourth generation to go through Shando County Public Schools. I live in the neighborhood just past Sandy Hook. Because of that, I've experienced firsthand the impacts of overcrowding, not just in the classroom, but every morning and afternoon with traffic congestion, safety concerns, and inefficient traffic flow around the school. Last year, I witnessed a motor vehicle accident involving a school bus and a vehicle traveling from my neighborhood. The issues presented to students and staff at Sandy Hook are daily real world issues and I'm cognizant of the internal challenges that teachers face and sta teachers and staff face due to overcrowding and congestion. The

014northern Shando County area is a growing community, a high a community situated at the intersection of four highly trafficked roadways. The issues presented in Charlesburg and the surrounding area are not the same issues presented elsewhere. Because of this, we're often inadvertently tagged as the black sheep. We're not the financial, agricultural, or populist center of the county, and it's my belief that this frequently discredits our community and what we strive to do and accomplish. I want to express my strong support for the construction of a new elementary school. This is not just about relieving congestion. It's about providing young students with the learning environment that they need at the most critical stage of their education. Elementary age children require stable, well, well-designed classrooms, space to learn and grow, and schools that are built for their development

015needs. Overcrowding at this at this level has longterm consequences and addressing it should be a top priority. I want to respectfully ask why the process is taking so long. This board was having this exact same conversation a year ago. Yet, we are still discussing plans rather than seeing meaningful progress. The county even completed a tax reassessment, seemingly increasing revenues before we even have an agreement on a new school or renovations, contracts, or broken ground at any of our school facilities. We ought to have the funding now, I guess. Funny how it all works. Anyways, uh continued delay has a cost to students, family, and the community. And I believe we need clearer timelines, accountability, and forward momentum. As the school board considers broader facilities planning, I would also encourage thoughtful pri thoughtful prioritization. For example,

016students attending triplettech are teenagers who have the ability to learn in a variety of environments beyond the traditional classroom setting. They can go to a local body shop and learn real world operations. They can visit a local restaurant or salon. I think you get my point. This flexibility should be weighed carefully when making funding and facility decisions, especially when elementary school students do not have the same adaptability. Thank you again for your service, your time, and consideration the preferences of the families who are directly impacted by these decisions. >> Thank you, Jesse. Did anyone walk in late and didn't sign up to participate in this hearing? Okay, then we are about to adjourn uh this phase of our school board meeting to adjourn the Shannidor County Board school board budget uh pre-budget public hearing. The

017chair seeks a motion to adjourn this part of the program. I motion to adjourn the preub the pre-budget public hearing. >> Thank you, Mr. Shaby. Is there a second to the motion? >> Second. >> We have two seconds. Uh Mr. Rickard and Miss Pence. All in favor of adjourning the Shannido County School Board pre-budget public hearing. Indicate by saying I. >> I. >> And oppose. No. And we stand adjourned until 7 o'clock for the uh the regular We are good to go. I call to order the Monday, February the 2nd, also known as Groundhog Day 2026, Shannidoa County School Board pre-budget work session and meeting. I wish to note for the record that Mr. Street is not present, nor are we expecting him. According to schoolboard policy BDD, Miss Gloria Carino, district 3 school board

018member, requests to join the school board pre-budget work session meeting electronically from her home located in Fort Valley, Virginia due to the likely precarious conditions on the roads and her driveway to and her driveway tonight due to the expected melting and then refreezing of ice on the roads. Members of the school board may use remote participation instead of attending a meeting in person if in advance of the meeting. Each member seeking to use remote participation notifies the chair. And as noted earlier, that box was checked way earlier today. For her to participate remotely, I will need a motion to that effect. >> I'll move to approve Miss Gloria Carennio joining the meeting via Zoom. >> Thank you, Mr. Rickard. Is there a second? >> I'll second. and Mr. Shy seconds. All in favor of approving

019the motion, please indicate by saying I. >> I opposed. No. The motion is approved. >> Miss Carino, welcome to the meeting. >> Thank you. >> Item 2.1 is the approval of the agenda. And likewise, I need a motion to approve the agenda as presented. >> I move to approve the agenda as presented. >> Thank you, Miss Pence. Is there a second? >> Second. Mr. Rickert seconds. All in favor in favor of the motion to approve the agenda as presented, please indicate by saying I. >> I opposed. No. >> And the motion is carried. >> Work session item number three is a discussion on potential major capital projects. Madam superintendent, >> thank you. This is the same presentation that um I did in January at the January meeting. So, I'm just going to highlight a few

020of the um slides and then I'm going to turn it over to the architects who have been um integral in helping prepare this information for the school board. So, I may just do the old fashioned way. Um so, Again, I'm not going to um go over this information, but it's on the um agenda item if anyone is interested, but you'll notice that their um um the number of students in 201213 was at the highest and then we took a downward uh trend and we had a little bit of an upswing. Um, you could see the information on the number of students at our elementary schools for the last few years. You could see birth rate, and you know, we're all over the place in birth rate from 378 to all the way to 538. This

021is a slide that we probably need to pay particular attention to. Um, in Strawsburg we have about 320 homes that are on the books to be built. Um, which is approximately 145 students. It's not quite half a student per home. Um, it's a little less than that, but it's about 145 uh students for 320 homes. Woodstock, we have approximately 873 homes on the books and that would bring almost 400 students when you add the the students from the 30 homes that are still left to be built um in Edinburg. And in both Strawsburg and Woodstock, you notice that we have um that those houses are being built. If you look at the housing development in Strawsburg right across from uh Food Line, you'll notice that there are town homes that are going up. And then

022also if you're heading south on 81 and you look to the right at two exit 283 or whatever, you'll notice that there are town homes being built there as well. So the discussion was really about what the cost at our last meeting was about the cost of um what some potential um a new elementary school would cost. Here are the numbers on the new elementary school, but a construction estimate um would be around 40 $43 million. It would be 90,000 square feet at $400 per square foot. And here is just some information about Sandy Hook Elementary School. Another consideration would be if we expanded Sandy Hook Elementary School, what would that look like? And um our architects are going to actually get into this a little bit more. So I will save that for them.

023But Sandy Hook Elementary School renovation, the construction estimate could be around 15 $15 million. with some added space. WW Robinson, very similar information on WW Robinson. The red areas are the spaces that could be expanded on. And then you look at the project cost, which would be close to 18 million or close to 19 million. And then Ashby Lee Elementary School. Again, very similar information. And the project estimate on expansion of Ashley Lee Elementary would be 14.2 million. So if you look at all of the proposals together, this is one of the slides that I'm going to spend a little bit of information, a little bit of time on a new elementary school. If you look at the preliminary budgets, it could be about $45 million if we did the renovations of the elementary schools

024without expansion. And these are just uh these numbers are um are really high level numbers because we really haven't gone into the school and and pulled the ceiling tile and done you know um done all of that really in-depth work that you get into in the next phase of con um of engineering and design. But you can see um Sandy Hook Elementary School a preliminary budget estimate could be eight million. WW Robinson about 10 million and then Ashby Lee Elementary School at about 8 million which and that's without expansion. So the total preliminary budget cost for a new elementary school and the renovation of existing elementary schools is it could be between 60 million and 81.5 million but the project estimates at a 30 thou 30,000 foot view is uh $70 million. If you look

025at the right side of that slide, you will notice that um the expansion and renovation of the elementary school, Sandy Hook Elementary School about 15 million, WW Robinson $18 million and then Ashby Lee about 14 million. So the total estimated cost for expansion and renovation would be between 42 and 54 million. And again a 35,000 foot view. And you notice that um if we looked at the the more in-depth cost, it could be about 40 uh $47.8 million. So then as we scroll on through the slides, um this would be career and technical education. So again, information um we could do a renovation, an expansion of the existing triplet. And here are the numbers there. The very final slide will show that al together. So I'm not going to spend much time on this slide.

026We could renovate the Mount Jackson Press building in triplet. Um the Mount Jackson Press building would give us about 60,000 square ft in additional space for our trades. And then here are some numbers there. And then we could have a new career technical education facility and that would be um in the center of the of the campus and then we could do renovation without expansion. So if you look at the cost and I'll spend a little bit of time on this slide, but if you look at the renovation and expansion of triplet tech, um that cost would be about 38.6 million. If you did a renovation of the Mount Jackson trust building and a renovation of Triplette Tech building, that would be 38.7 million. And then if you did a new CTE facility and renovation

027of Triplette Tech, that would be 42.6 million. And just know that in those numbers, there were different numbers on the cost of the the equipment for to make those um programs that they have there um like the automotive equipment, the lifts and so on. and so forth. If we had a welding program, the the equipment that would go into that that um program as well. So, um and I do want to say before I get too far ahead of myself is that the original vote on the major capital projects was going to be at the February 12th meeting. We have postponed that until the March 12th meeting so that all of our schoolboard members can be here, but also to allow time to process the information that is going to be presented this evening and

028give the schoolboard members any time to ask questions or seek clarification or whatever. So, um, without further ado, I'm going to introduce the architects who helped put together this information and they've got more information that they're going to share, but we have Dale Cup from Miller Cup and then John Mather from Mather and Dailyaly. both um near in Rockinghammer or Harrisonenberg city. So please um if I need the microphone just tell me. So um Dr. Mr. Shepard really covered this uh very well and uh I'll try to fill in some of the gaps but there aren't many. So uh just to recap very briefly what what we've done to get to this point. So over a year ago we were asked to look at triplet tech. So at that time uh the what was really

029before us was how do we expand it, enlarge it, renovate it, what exactly could happen. So we're showing two boards here. We actually had a third option. Uh but part of the intent was to show what could be done and the one board is showing it pretty much contained uh to the existing building and the additions contiguous to it. The the other board is showing the possibility of of maybe trying to of trying to futureproof what happens. So the intent was we to build a separate structure that would uh that could be done without uh encroaching on the classrooms that existed and then students could move and it would make it easier to phase things. So that's that study is a year old essentially. So, uh, here more recently, it came to light that there'd

030be other options for triplet the Mount Jackson press building, the Woodstock property. So, we we also look at that. Um, probably the Mount Jackson Press building is best geared toward the diesel, automotive, mechanics, body shop, construction, trades, that kind of thing. Um, the Woodstock property perhaps, which would be a new facility better geared toward the child care studies, cosmonology, criminal justice study, those kinds of things. So, uh, those two are a little bit apples and oranges, but the intent is they could take the pressure off of what happens at the main campus. Um, in addition to triplet, the technical education, we were also asked to look at uh the three elementary schools. So, I'm probably going to hand this off to John here in a second, who actually did most of the heavy lifting on

031putting these uh plans together. But uh uh WW Robinson of course the bigger school of the three um uh it a bit more difficult to expand but we do have uh ways to do it. Um Sandy Hook likewise we found way to expand and react to the wish list want list need list that was given to us. Same thing at uh Ashb Lee. So um I think what I'll do at this point is uh let John do a little more thorough discussion on this. So, I will step aside. >> Well, it's an honor to be here. Thank you very much. Mayor, with this room, we opened bids for your three high school renovations right there. Um, 20 years ago, >> 225 years ago. And uh to show you how times change, we renovated all three

032of your high schools while you used them. They were major renovations for 10 million a piece, >> but 10 million isn't 10 million anymore. But Dale and I have a really great history with assisting with your facility. So we're we're super happy to be back. So I want to pick up where Dale left off. And that would be with your central campus. Okay. So what what you're seeing here, Central High School, Robinson, uh Gillenburgg, and then this is property that that you all own. It's empty right now, but we included it. So to segue from Votech to Elementary, the the option for the uh V satellite, I guess you would call it, would be on this property, a large property just to the south of Mulberg. Um, that could be anywhere in here. We chose

033to locate it. You can see here where um it could interconnect a roadway uh with Muenberg. So that um one thing we heard uh at the central site and I don't think you'll be surprised is that we need to find a way to alleviate the traffic. You know we have three schools of buses coming in, three schools of buses going out, three schools of cars coming in going out. Almost all of them at some point are in this area of the site. Um so it's busy and it gets uh it gets congested and uh so we started to think in terms of how can we address two things the the vote need but also the traffic alleviation need on site by locating it in a way that there's another way out from the site. Something

034else we saw is that uh the school board owns property that makes a little dog leg right here and connects to remind me of the name of the road. >> Fox. >> Yes. It connects there. And I got to believe somewhere in the past when the school board bought this property, they saw the wisdom to get another way out to the road. And so they left property. It connects. So we could create another entry u into the the site from that road and you could essentially shift the middle school traffic from here to here. they could come in, access their parking into the bus loop, and now we've alleviated much of the traffic here and moved it over here in combination with the back way out that would go to the botch. So, while we're

035talking about u school renovations and expansions, we're really also focused on vehicular flow. So there's some opportunities there that we think are are I think worthy of investigation. Um this votech of course we want to know what's going in it to develop a plan. It can get bigger or smaller. Space isn't a problem there. Uh so great opportunity uh if that's a a direction that uh that you want to go. Okay. So now I think we'll get into some of the nittygritty of the elementary school. So I'm going to put Robinson up here. very big elementary school as you know one one of the bigger ones in the state. Um so we Dale and I met with staff walked through the school. Uh some of the schoolboard members were with us. Uh some of the

036members of administration were with us and we heard um a number of of needs um and somewhat of a pattern. We heard it at generally all three. Um and in no particular order of priority, the first thing we heard was we need more um serving lines for the kids. There's only two. And because of that, your lunches start at like 11 and end at like you would you can tell me but it's it's late and the kids are a little bit rushed because you've got to get so many servings, you know, in there because you only have two lines, right? Um so right off the bat we're like that's a bottleneck. So, we're proposing in this case, and you'll see it on the others, to add two more serving lines in the kitchen and then

037expand the kitchen appropriately to service those lines. So, there's renovations in the kitchen, two more serving lines, additional equipment space. Combined with that, we heard that the cafeteria multi-purpose room, which is kind of half cafeteria and half multi-purpose with a divider, um really isn't adequate for either. It's the cafeteria needs to be bigger. And if it's going to be a multi-purpose room, it really probably should be all, you know, reserved for that. Um so our approach was to not only expand the the serving but take the entire room for a cafeteria which would be the proper or correct size for the number of children that would be in that that room eating. Something else we heard was that the u the stage was uh kind of antiquated, somewhat inadequate. Um and of course it's at

038one end of that room. So we sort of put that in the back of our mind that um maybe we can combine a stage in another space uh somewhere else. Um as we went further, we we were told that the gymnasium space is is inadequate at Robinson. You you have two spaces here and here, but neither one's very large. And when I was in there, there was like two full classes in here, like must have been like 40 kids and pretty tight, pretty tight for you with balls and things were flying around. Um so we started to think m maybe you should construct a gym a gym in an auditorium with a proper stage with adequate size. So we identified this back corner as a place that we could do that. Another item that we

039heard uh again in all three was we don't have enough space for special ed spaces. We're doubled up in many cases sometimes in the same room without even a divider where you know one teacher's working with a kid on one uh subject and there's one right across the room and another and there's no barrier. um not that's not very efficient for teaching. Um so we look for opportunities for more, you know, self-contained special ed rooms uh as we sort of filled out the plan. Um and and you'll notice we did find those and they're labeled. I know you can't see where you're sitting, but some of these smaller rooms uh are are able serve for those purposes. Um, something else we also heard in all three schools was that the divi the movable walls between

040the classrooms are not soundproof at all and it's disruptive. I guess at one time it was a good idea to do these big open plan teaching, team teaching, but that that's not how it's being done now. So on the plan where you see these red new walls, it's where we're replacing suggesting to replace those thin moving walls with permanent walls. Another thing that we saw at all three schools was that you have these open center areas. Um, one is generally the media center or library and the other is sort of a sunken uh forum type space. And what we heard from all three schools was we preferred enclosing those with glass walls. Um and in both cases they become you know a teaching space but also have some privacy and some sound control. There's been

041some injuries um by people that have walked and and stepped into the sunken area. I've heard of one at least one. There's probably been more where you just you hit it and you're down. So, it's not even safe. So, we do think something has to happen there. Um on this end, we're suggesting expanding this gym along with this gym. So, you you have two gyms now, but they're both small. We're suggesting have two that are a little bit bigger. Uh finally on Robinson, uh we found that the administration area is pretty confined. Uh it doesn't have good visibility to the bus loop to the cars. So we're suggesting construction of a new admin suite right here that would have good control of the entries, good visibility, decent size conference rooms and you know more of

042a current space allocation for for those functions. Um I know this will go very late and I spend this much time on on every school but this one is going to set a trend. You're going to hear some of the same things on the other schools. Okay. And obviously a fair question Robinson is at what point is bid too big? I can't answer that. But this is big. >> Mr. Mather, with what you've done there, I think it was 10 classrooms and six resource spaces. I don't have Do you have that number off the top of your head? >> Uh, well, we can count them. classrooms expanded. Several resources. One, two, three, four, five or so. Six if you count this one. Improved a larger kitchen. Improved larger cafeteria. We also heard the need for

043adequate faculty workrooms. Um so we we did add one here. Uh and you'll notice we took the opportunity uh in the process of the additions to connect two wings that don't connect currently. So this building ends here, this building is here. By connecting the whole school's a little more accessible just for you know navigating how many square feet roughly would would we be adding? Do you guys have a generalization? Is that here somewhere? But >> I have so many papers in front of me I don't even know which one to look. We calculated um 7,000 square feet of administrative expansion. and replacement. So, some of that's renovated space. >> Um, classroom additions about 6,000 multi-purpose um 2500 and the gym and some of the special ed classroom is actually 15,000. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And

044then other renovated space. One one comment that likewise came up at several of the schools, things like the art room. Well, the art room isn't where it either originally was intended to be or got moved. And one thing that's desirable is to have plenty of daylight. So that that's just one of the tedious uh uh concerns that came up at several camp. >> So that was about 33,100 square ft. So a little less than 35,000 >> roughly. And and as u has been earlier stated these these were relatively high level studies where we interviewed staff once or twice um were these be to become actual projects. I'm sure there'll be more meetings and more refining but um we wanted to try to get our hands kind of around them in a in a general way.

045So, we talked about Robinson. Let's go north to Sandy Hook. I'll start with the site plan. And one thing you'll notice as compared to Robinson, we have a lot more space around us to work with. Robinson's very tight. Sandy Hook has has more space to work with. Um, we heard many of the same concerns. Um, I'll get into where we added, but you'll notice the way we're proposing to add spaces. We're connecting wings and hallways to again make the the way finding and the navigating a little bit easier. Um, so things we heard and saw at Sandy Hook. U when when we pulled up there were buses wrapped all the way around as I recall Dale double double road you know you notice there's there's a need for maybe a little a little better situation

046for loading and unloading. Um, so one thought we had is if we can add on to this building in a way to create a covered bus drop for the kids and the teachers would be a positive. Um and we also noted that uh there was some opportunity in the administration and the kitchen uh cafeteria wing to expand into the the yard needed. So if we go to the floor plan, just like Robinson, we heard about the problem that exists with serving. Only two serving lines, kids are rushed to eat. The space is tight. So again, we're talking about adding on to the kitchen to get two more serving lines as well as the equipment space to serve those serving lines and to expand the So, it's adequately sized. Now, they also uh had a little

047bit of concern about their stage, but unlike Robinson, they do have a newer gym. So, the idea of building a gym uh didn't seem appropriate because you do have already that we could possibly look at putting a stage in in one end of it to replace this stage. But in this case, for the purpose of this study, we suggested renovating this stage um with the expansion of the of the cafeteria itself. Here we're looking at u expanding and improving the administration suite. uh not only where it is but expanding it. We're looking at opportunities for where it works best on site. Expand your classroom. As Dale said, a music room works well on an end for sound for one thing and an art room here again for light. There's new classrooms connecting this wing to

048this wing, as you can see, which then creates a lobby and a bus drop area, which we think would be an enhancement. You'll notice that the foldable walls are being replaced. And then we're showing a connector, a new connector. Like the other like Robinson, we're suggesting in closing the media center as well as the stepped area. Anything else? So, based on my count, that's 11 classrooms and nine resource rooms. >> And um >> for Mr. Shabi's question, that's 20,000 square feet. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I know it's quick, but that's kind of a quick tour. Okay, as you leave again, we've heard and saw many of the same things, but each site is different. which demands a unique approach at each site. You can see here we do have

049a fair amount of open ground around the school for expansion. So as we start again heard the same thing about the cafeteria kitchen inadequate on our serving lines. So once again we're suggesting expansion of the kitchen and the serving and taking out the folding partition in the cafeteria so that you have a properly sized cafeteria. Removing the stage and once again we're suggesting pairing it with a new gym on the which is here. So not only do they really need a new stage but their gym is very small. It's right here. I would say it's sort of woofbally unsized at this point. Um, so it seemed appropriate to address both needs with that. Let's say we have classroom additions at the north end as well as toward the bus loop. Um, so to your point,

050I think we're kind of arriving at about 20,000 square feet. Again, some of the space is intermingled with renovated space. uh some of the exact numbers are at but it's basically 20,000 added space. >> Thank you. >> And um my numbers are five classroom spaces here at Ashb Lee, five resource rooms and and an additional gym. So that's the um that's what I have there. So whenever we look at um what are what are some of the things that would be renovated whenever you consider a renovation? So Hback painting what does that include? >> So 25 years ago we added on to each of these schools. So even the newest portions of it are starting to age. Um, the newer parts probably require a little less uh tender loving care than the oldest parts, but

051still need upgrades. And Mr. Hensley has made us aware that um a lot of the HVAC equipment is got has gotten to a point that you can't get parts, can't get upgrades from software, those kinds of things. So that's certainly an potentially an invasive part of the work. Um I think we budgeted in the neighborhood of two and a half three million at each school. Well um obviously I'm under estimated because we're getting more current estimates that might be double that. >> So uh we do have contingency money built into the budgets and that helps handle some of it. But um yeah, that's one of the things that's uh uh pretty important and from our end, we just haven't looked into that but so much. And when I look at kind of the scope that

052you went with, um, I see lighting upgrades, electrical upgrades, HVAC replacement slashupgrades, plumbing repairs, um, parking lot and paving repairs. So >> there is that that list. We we attempted to uh by line item by line item respond to the request. So it's pretty darn comprehensive uh the way we ultimately u evolve the design. It just depends after further study. But um yeah, electrical upgrades, LED lighting, things of that sort, uh a lot of the communication systems and uh locking systems, safety, all that. We tried to do some degree of budgeting. So, as you pointed out early, we're still flying at 20 30,000 feet, but we we think we're at least in the ballpark with estimates. >> Well, in in remodeling, whether it's a house or or a particular building or large buildings like this,

053you don't know what you're going to get into until you open something up. So, if you you're up doing ducks, you might have truss repairs and things that you need. Or if you're doing the roofs because I mean, I think that if you're tearing things off to move HVAC, you really that's the time to work on the roof. So, you don't have to move it at a later time is that's a big expense, too. So, um you know, you had your work cut out for you trying to guess with a lot of this stuff. So, how realistic are your contingency numbers? I mean, you know, I I know that's a loaded question, but um you know, it's uh you know, it's I mean, we come in, could it be five times what you've you've added

054or you know, >> I mean, generally a 5% contingency is generally >> added to whatever budget. >> I mean, at this point, we're again, we're flying high. >> Understood. >> So, it's more like 10% >> variation. So um >> and I think in order to get a more accurate number um that's where the um architectural design comes in. You know we're at a conceptual design phase right now. If we move more towards the um the architectural and engineering design then that's when we'll get a you know a more a number that's closer. It it of course needs to be noted that the work at each of these schools is potentially disrupting. So staging, phasing, those kinds of things also come into play. Some things can be built without disrupting the the school day, but a

055lot of it uh one way or the other, kids will need to move. if you we can accomplish all the work over summer session that kind of >> I was going to make some sort of a sarcastic remark saying you can't guarantee you can't do this over summer break but um I don't realistically I don't see how that would be possible um you know without there being some work because the vestibules and entrances there were kids in the schools then so I mean this that would be a tall order to even get the rough work done in a 3mon period. >> We like I said, we we experienced that at the high schools many years ago and it, >> you know, it was worked out. >> I I'm not saying it's insurmountable or that it's

056even a problem. I just want everyone to realistically know that, you know, this isn't going to happen in the blink of an eye. Something else I would add, we also uh included window replacements >> and door replacements, exterior door replacements. The windows in the old sections are all single pane, which is very inefficient. Many of the doors are weather strips missing. >> Yeah, they've seen their day. Yeah. Did you all come up with any plans to put a new four-lane bridge into uh Sandy Hook and Signal? Now, >> that was not a request. Um so, now's the opportunity to ask um the architects. >> Do you want to talk about ordinary things? >> Yes, please. Let's do that. So really a kind of an exciting possibility the I guess it's called the fields site terund

057some acres There you can see this is the level site here. These are the fields. Um so we are asked you know could you place an elementary school there and the answer is yes. There's there's plenty of room. Um, after we drove the site, we think the least expensive place to build that school, if you choose to, is in this this corner because it's closest to the road. We can use an existing entrance. It's now into a park. May need to be upgraded. It's relatively flat. Um, so it's a what I would call a pretty buildable. Um, and so the answer really is yes, you could build a school there. Um, and notice, you know, how much sight is still left and it doesn't take long to start dreaming maybe 10 years from now, maybe

05820, I don't know, that this could become the fourth campus, right? Enough. So yeah, just to give John a break. Um, yes, looking ahead, this could be developed and there is indeed plenty of room. So this is a very very preliminary tenative layout but there's opportunity to get high school middle school parking maybe the parking changes to share it a bit better but ample opportunity for play fields and so forth. So, um, my crystal ball was just not bright enough to know, uh, what happens 10 years, 20 years from now. But it's probably inevitable as things creep this way from Northern Virginia and the district of confusion, that population is going to going to grow. Uh so um that you know developing that campus I think might be a good thing to do. I realize

059it's nice that we have these three very distinct campuses with elementary school, high school, middle school together. And this one it's kind of the in between. But um it in addition to just looking to the future that does take pressure off of the expansion at WW Robinson and Sandy Hook and probably indirectly even takes pressure off Ashb Lee. So that's what >> yeah it just it's nice to know one day could be done we we think you know it's a nice possibility even if you never do this is still a good thing the elementary school >> approximately how many acres would the elementary school consume of the total acres probably not even that >> 10 to 15. >> Yeah, but we don't our job is to lay up possibilities not to put our fingers on

060the scale too much. Want to show the possibilities. So from like a design standpoint, when the core deficiencies are corrected like classroom space, HVAC, cafeterias, and electrical, does a renovated and expanded building function materially different from a new facility for instructional purposes? your uh uh grounds and maintenance. Um people probably could answer that just based on what we did. Of course, some of those people may may not still be around, but that's essentially what happened at the high schools >> uh 20 couple years ago and these elementary schools. So um I think the answer is yes. They certainly can function there. It's always desirable to build something from scratch and totally brand new and the state-of-the-art and that's always uh uh what we like to handle. But uh uh but I think there's some history

061here that the renovated school building certainly can function just about as well as if it's brand new. >> But I think you hit on a point a little while ago that to properly renovate these elementary schools, there is going to be disruption in instruction. That's realistic. >> There is. Yeah. If we built that new elementary school first and took half of Sandy Hook, half of WW Robinson, we could then properly renovate those elementary schools by moving kids. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It would help. >> Yeah. That takes enormous pressure off. So you have every two schools. >> Yeah. You can vacate a group of classrooms, five, six, 10 classrooms at a time and then renovate. That's that's going to not only have less uh disruption, but it'll be more cost effective as a contractor. The

062more he can take at a time, the better his price. >> Correct. >> So, >> thank you. >> So, some of that same logic applies to triplet and said, well, he campuses, you know, if if indeed you split up some of the discipline. Well, you're adding more staff. That's a consideration, but it suddenly makes renovating the existing building a whole lot easier. >> Right. Thank you. >> You know, as I look at Robinson, you know, we found places for additions, but we're almost at a point I don't know where you go next. Like if you look at the side of Robinson, it's pretty steep behind it. We have a road in front of it, a school to the left, a school to the right. Um, you might I mean, you might say, but this is

063sort of the last bit of additions you really have physical space for. One thing I was looking at too when we were talking about those earlier, we are taking away from playground space by expanding those buildings, are we not? Particularly that building in Ashb Lee >> some. Yeah. Yeah. >> Which to me, we can't afford. I mean, from what I understand, we don't have enough playground space as it is. >> Yeah. There's a play there's a surface here that we're suggesting to to keep and resurface the playground. We're not changing or affecting the this areas in the back or limited um effect on the playground to the north. Now at Ashby, we sort of deliberately stayed away from the playground in the back. >> So, >> which is also a drainage area. >> Yeah. But

064as you as you know, there's a pretty good size there's a kind of a walking track and a playground here. We considered placing this gimmatorium back here, but after thinking about it, we thought, well, really don't want to mess that area up. I'm sure it's used quite a bit. That's why we moved it from here to here. It didn't really affect the play area at all. This really is the record right here. Just want to point that out. The Robinson seems to be were you to do this feel like you're kind of getting to a limit just where you can go. I think educators would probably have debates over optimal elementary school size. Um I don't know what that is, but I've heard those discussions that you know someone might say optimal size for elementary

065is maybe in the 600 or something like that. um pro I don't know based on staffing and manage management of the children but you know that's something that's worth looking into but I'm not really qualified to study that statement just to add to the burden of the school board members trying to make decisions you know we have these various projects at each site, each campus. But it might be that there are some uh nuances to it that maybe well we do this amount here and go ahead and build this and you know if you put on a matrix it probably generates 30 different options. Uh but you know at the end of the day it's like in John and I talked about this earlier on the one hand just step back and decide what aside

066from the money which I know that's asking a lot but if you can step back and determine what would be the best option for all students all the curricula etc. what would be the answer and then maybe look a little closer and say what's the optimum cost approach and try to find some common ground. Well, I appreciate the thoroughess that you guys have done in looking at all these options. Um, you know, and it's clear to me with the walking through the buildings with you guys and with other people that we're past the point of that a lot of these things are wants. These are really needs and um having a hard time figuring out how to put off these needs, you know, um because they've been put off for far too long. So, um

067we'll I'll be following up with you guys with a a few questions for sure. Um you know, because uh you know, and then we have other questions. We all have to think about um expanding building. I mean, you know, we build a new elementary school, which certainly looking at the needs of the county going forward, we need that. Um but we can't staff the schools we have in now. So that adds adds into that how are we going to create more staff or you know and all that. So we're kind of in a conundrum. So um you know but we'll we'll work on this very hard and uh and try to come up with a concept too because we're not deciding for now. We're really going to be deciding on the next 30 or 40

068years of Shannidoa County. So, um, so I mean I I understand the task in front of us. I really do. And I appreciate your thoroughess and in, uh, and in the detail, you know, um, for a 30,000 foot view, this is, you know, pretty good. I've seen ones that are would, you know, that would make this one look like a 300 foot view. So, good job. >> Any other questions? Yeah. >> Any questions about triplette or the options there before we move on? >> Thank you guys. >> I I don't you >> Thank you. >> So thank you. feel free to stay for the next three hours while we finish up this meeting or you can leave it. >> Um, does does it help to leave these boards or I mean you've got the electronic

069stuff? >> Yeah, I don't think we need it. Are we moving on at this point to the next three hours? >> Yes, it's a three hours. >> Thank you all for >> item 3.2, Dr. Sheepard. a uh 30,000. Is that the figure we're using? A view of fiscal year 2027 budget. >> Yes. >> All right. >> So again, this is the um a similar presentation that I did in January. Um, so we'll we'll skim through some of the slides fairly quickly and then um land on some of the others um and take a deeper dive. We always start the budget conversation with what are our um division goals and academic achievement and growth, positive climate and culture, family engagement, community connections, recruit, support, retain enthusiastic professionals, and then high quality and adequate uh facilities and

070learning environments which we just talked about at length. to the mission, the division vision, the division beliefs. And I highlighted this a little bit earlier, but you you can look at the chart and see, you know, how enrollment over the last 13 years um has trended. Uh we had a downward trend, we had a slight increase, and just a slight decrease this last year. At our elementary schools, we're re remaining about the same at all three of our elementary schools, even though we had a slight decline from last year to this year. Our um middle schools are about the same. You will notice signal knob um an increase there and Peter Muenberg from 2000 I think that's 2122 there's been a significant increase there at Peter Muenberg about 70 80 some students and then we

071have our um our high schools you will notice at Central High School um slight decrease there um our seniors that graduated last year about 75 more seniors graduated. Then we have ninth graders this year. So, a little bit of a decline there. And then birth rates. We talked about that a little a little bit ago. And then enrollment trends. So, you will notice that the number of uh kids born in Chinidora County versus the number that come to school, there's always a a difference. Um you'll notice the kindergarten class of 2020. Um the students that were born in 2020 and the number of students uh kids that were born versus the number of students in our kindergarten classes. There's a significant difference there. However, um those students could have been born late in 2020 and

072so we may not see them until next year. free and reduced lunch eligibility eligibility that has increased over the last four or five years. Our English learners have increased over the last 11 or 12 years. We're at 651. And we speak how many different languages, Miss Proctor? >> It's like 16. >> Yes. with um Spanish the top and maybe a mark. Second, our students with disabilities, you'll notice um pretty, you know, pretty flatlined over the last uh 10 years, but you will notice our five the number of students we have with 504 plans is decreasing over the last four or five years. And why is this important to budget? because typically students with a 504 plan or a student with a disability actually um we have special services that we have to provide those students.

073So it costs a little more money for for students with disabilities and our students with 504 plans. So if you look at our personnel information and I am just going to scan through this because you have seen this a couple of times but we are losing our teachers at the top of our pay and we are replacing them with brand new teachers and we would really like to keep a lot of our teachers um with many years of experience so that they can mentor our new teachers. We lose our teachers to Rockingham, Frederick, Harrisonenburg, and Winchester. And our unfilled positions as of January the 16th, about two weeks ago, we still have eight elementary teachers and six special ed teachers. And when I always hate to put this slide up, but when you compare our

074salaries with um the salaries of Frederick County and Rockingham County, you will notice that um Shannidoa compared to Frederick County, we are uh slightly lower than Frederick County. And then for Rockingham, we are slightly lower, I think, for the first six steps. And then we catch up and we remain um above Rockingham for the next um for the remainder of the salary scale and only have the first 19 years here on the on this chart. One of the things that um we are very proud of and the school board should be proud of as well. We have we have made great gains on our health insurance over the last um number of years over the last four or five years. It actually health insurance is affordable here in Shannidoa County Public Schools. Um, however, we

075do anticipate a slight increase in our health insurance this coming year and hopefully um it won't be as high as we've anticipated, but you um you can see we're in the mix with uh Frederick and Rockingham. Um our employee only, we are the cheapest insurance and then our employee plus spouse, we're also the least expensive. Um we have a a little work to do when it comes to um employee plus children, but the other two employee plus child were in the mix or employee plus family were in the mix as well. And then to look at it differently, um you'll see our health insurance decreases over the last three years. I can tell you our employee plus children and employee plus family five years ago was $1,249. So we have almost cut that cost in

076half and that is real money in our teachers in our staff's pockets. So we've um we've done a great job and we want to continue to keep these rates competitive so we can keep our keep our teachers. All right. So um my job is to provide a needs-based budget to the um school board and then the school board then hands the budget they will debate and then they will hand the budget off to the board of supervisors mid-Marchch. So, and then the board of supervisors um we have to get our budget to the board of supervisors by the 1 of April every year and then they'll return um the information back to us at the towards the end of April and then you guys have a second opportunity to look at the budget in case

077they gave us more money than we asked for or less money than we asked for. So, here are some of the dates that um our budget timeline and you will notice we are right at so this was supposed to be the January 26 meeting. So, we're at the pre-budget hearing and then the school board pre-budget work session. This is gives you guys an opportunity to tell me what you would like to see in the budget because on Thursday, February the 12th, I will present my recommendation to the school board. and our budget books, our draft budget books will be available. Then February 23rd gives the school board an opportunity to talk about the my proposed budget. And then on March the 12th, the school board will approve a fiscal year 2027 budget and then it

078will go to the um board of supervisors. You will notice mid-March the general assembly concludes. So, we may not know exactly the state funding that we will have before we have to turn that budget over to the board of supervisors. The board of supervisors then um have they have a a work session with the school board on March the 16th, March the 17th, they meet to establish a tax rate for as advertising purposes. And then on April 6th, they hold their public hearing for the proposed budget and tax rate. April 14th, they have a meeting to propose the budget and tax rate. And then on April 27th, the school board comes back together to um to determine what our fiscal year 2027 budget is going to be and adopt it. So our sources of revenue,

079we get 37% of our revenue from the county and 57% of our revenue from the state. 4% from federal and 2% other. You can see our our re our federal revenue over the last number of years has been um up and down. Um, but it typically in a normal year it will stay around $3 million, a little over $3 million. These years that have more than $3 million, that is probably CARES funds that attributed to that increase. So, how does the state determine a locality's ability to pay? They come up with a local composite index. And those indicators are based on true property value. It's based on adjusted adjusted gross income and then uh taxable retail sales. And you will notice over the last um couple of years, our our LCI, local composite index increased

0804% two years ago. It actually decreased this year 2%. So that 4% increase actually cost us about $2 million in state funds. So hopefully with the 2% decrease, we will we will claim some of that money that we lost from state funds over the last couple of years. So we will see state funding you you know you can see it has a little increase every single every single year. county operational over the last eight years. And then um two different ways to look at how we spend our money. So if you look at this pie chart, we spend 61.1% in personnel and then 26.7% in benefits. So, if you add those two numbers together, about 88.8% of our money is spent on people. And we know, and you I know you've heard me say this

081more than one time, that people, our teachers make the difference in the classroom. That's the ones who um get students to learn and and make the magic happen. So, um and we put our money um in our staff. So 80 close to 90% of our our funds are spent on people and then if you look at a different way 75 a little over 75% of our funds are spent on instruction. So again we are we are focusing on where we know it's most important for our students and that's in um people in instruction. So, just briefly, um, Governor Yncan before he left office in, uh, December, um, proposed the 2026 budget. He actually left office in January. Um, and the, uh, you could see that he had he included in there to fully fund the

082state share of rebenchmarking. He included a 2% salary increase for fiscal year 27, a 2% for fiscal 28, fiscal year 28. He expanded the child care subsidy, and he also um had additional funds for school construction grants. So hopefully in the near future, we'll be able to take advantage of those school construction grants. And then for a an amendment for this current um budget that we're in, he um recommend a 2% bonus for all staff. We will see where that lands at the end of um when the general assembly meets. So, we'll see where that that ends up. The 2% bonus could be at the end of the day a $1,000 bonus for everyone. We will we will see what that looks like. We're not sure. Have you heard anything new on that? >> Ma'am,

083>> neither have I. um general assembly's meeting. Now, I thought I was hoping last week I would get information on where the budget committees were, and I do not have any new information um on that. So, hopefully in the next week or so, we'll get some information on on where the budget, the Senate budget and the um House budget committees are. And then again, that's just the timeline. And at this time, I would um like for you guys to share any information with me that you would like to see in the budget in the fiscal year 27 budget so that we can and it looks like Miss Campbell was taking notes. So, >> I'd like to see us revisit the special ed stipen um if we're not going to do a different pay scale for

084them. I mean, that's our shortage every year is sped teachers and that's our most vulnerable students. Um, I think the le least we can do is give those teachers a stipen to at least attract them back into the sped sped classroom. Anyone else? >> I do have one question. >> Um, in the sources of revenue, all funds, what exactly is other? What's that other 2%? Yep. So, it's rebates, uh, rentals of our buildings if the community rents them or parks and wreck uses them for kids wreck and pays them to us, rebates, surplus sales, those types of things. >> Okay. >> Um, local grants also fall in that if we get an endowment or a trust that provides us with um, funds, that would also fall in the other bucket. >> Okay. >> Good question.

085Any other thoughts? >> All right, moving on. >> Moving on to 3.3. >> Mr. Hensley, capital improvement plan. while he gets the PowerPoint loaded. Uh, Mr. Chairman, members of the board, the PowerPoint is the same PowerPoint that you saw before. I just want to highlight some things and then take questions from you. Both Miss Campbell and Mr. Farmer's here also. He can help us too with some of the facility things. >> I don't have a presentation. >> You said you weren't going to use one. >> Okay. It's on here. All right. it's on the actual February 2nd um board. So the going through that presentation, the one thing that we pointed out to you was the utilization percentage of the elementary schools where it was 89% at Ashb Lee and at Sandy Hook there was

08696 and 90% on that presentation. The other thing that we did is we go through and do our capital. we do are desirable, necessary, and urgent. Um to identify what projects we want to work with. The one thing that we talked about during our presentation is that the desirable projects that are on there, they are desirable, but they're somewhat urgent, too. Uh it's just how it falls within the rubric that we have. And that's something that Miss Campbell and I were talking about that we need to go back and revisit our scale that we use of our rubric so that it's more balanced because if it falls in transportation or let's say a fence, the softball fence that needs to be repaired at Stonewall Jackson may not go to urgent but it has holes in

087it and needs to be replaced. the funding that this year as far as our capital improvement CIP, it's going to be a lot more because we typically narrow down what we ask for. One thing that has been asked is like why are you not asking for it if it's a need? So, we've made sure that we're asking for what we need. When we get into our major uh capital that we're asking for, transportation in the first year was 1.2 million. Uh health and sa the safety and security was a million and HVAC was 15.9 million. And the reason why the HVAC at 15.9 million is because we are currently using 1.5 million on renovations that we could do at the elementary schools. We're working with train Mr. the farmer and his group has been working

088tirelessly with them to see what we need to do to upgrade our systems. Uh what we have found out through that process is that it's going to be a total of around 15 million by the time we finish to do those projects and total all three elementary schools. The one thing to point out that's important to that is that if those projects get strung out, obviously there is a cost to that too that increases yearbyear of the equipment that may increase also. Controllers. >> Yes, the controllers. We are also asking for controllers in the first year because we have controllers at old school at our older schools such as Central that we may have three controllers on our shelf, but after those controllers are gone, we cannot purchase them any longer. So, you all have

089this presentation in front of you that breaks it down by category. And at this time we had asked you which >> which uh categories that you have questions on that breaks down to individual items for transportation transportation safety and security HVAC roofing electrical plumbing equipment replacement athletic facilities and minor construction. So the questions that you all have from your last presentation after you've looked through what questions do you have for us? >> You were just talking about Mr. Farmer and his crew meeting with Train. Does it look like that those renovations will be able to be done either over the summer or while the schools are in session? So the intent would be that those projects would be those upgrades would be during the summer during at the end of the school term until so

090we're looking at the period of of June through August. >> So it is practical to get those done over the summer. >> Yes. Now this this approach would be a phase where each section it will take a series of time at the elementary school to be able to complete those items based off of however much of the budget's approved. So those those areas would be during that period of time. So there would not be any any interruption. >> Thank you. What questions other than HVAC do you have? >> Well, staying on HVAC, um you just mentioned central is that central campus or the high school? Are we are our >> So, we have aging controllers at all of our schools. >> Okay. And uh one of the processes that we're working with trained is how

091do we renovate our current systems and pull controllers out and save them for when other controllers go down because we cannot purchase them. So that's part of that process, >> right? But at the at the end of those extra ones that we have, we need new, you know, we need new equipment at the other schools, too. >> Yes. >> So, all right. So, as we pull, and Kevin can correct me if I'm wrong, as we start renovating, especially our elementary schools, we can start pulling controllers from there, too. Um, we have certain places that are in the same boat as our elementary school, like our science wings and our high schools that have humidity issues. Um, and that's part of the money within the first part, too. How far are those from being urgent on,

092you know, when are they going to come up and and move up the list from from those other schools on these on these CIPs? >> I think they're in the first year. >> Are they? Okay. All right. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Do they have software that will talk to the old controllers, the obsolete ones, and the new controllers we're buying >> at the same time? So we yes because we currently have the BAS system which does communicate but once it becomes functionally obsolete then no. >> Gotcha. Did you guys see anything on the list that needs to that you would like to see moved to a year sooner or a year or two later? Um, now's the time. So, this will be part of um the budget presentation at the February 12th meeting. You'll

093have an opportunity to discuss it again at the February 23rd meeting and for vote at the March 12th meeting. >> One thing important to note as you look through you'll see red writing. Uh when you see the red print that means it can be impacted by another project. So that cost could be impacted by doing something. So if we work on the elementary HBAC's it could impact the cost such as a AC unit on a gym. But we left those AC units on the gym because they're up to be replaced and need to be replaced. So they're still there >> the same way. I'm sorry. >> And somebody point out to me where I can find Stonewall Jackson's roof replacement at on here. >> That's on the current year. >> That's been fun. It's already

094>> It's already been funded. Okay, >> that's in the current funding. >> So, will that be done this year, like this summer? >> We're currently looking into that. Um, so I just recently supplied the vendor with the current need for the layout that we have so that the money that we have set aside for not just Stonewall Jackson, but for Strawsburg High School to make sure that they are clear on what the scope is. And then once the snow and ice melts off, then we'll do a along with Skyline a survey to make sure that what we have currently approved funded, we'll actually fund those so that if we have to make some changes based off of their monetary estimate pricing, then we can address it at that time. >> Thank you. anything else? Then

095let's move to 3.4 Four, discussion of proposed changes to policy FFA. School board member requested revisions to this policy, school names, specifically the removal of language stating that no school or school facility may be named for a living individual and that individuals must be deceased for at least 10 years to be considered. The initial information was presented on Thursday the 8th. that is further about to be further discussed now. And Miss Carino, um this was your request and I will pull you into the conversation and let you lead off. >> Um well, I spoke about it last time. Um I just said that maybe we needed to uh revise this since we maybe um this is something we probably going to be wanting to do. And um if anybody has any question, are we going

096to be discussing it today or we're not voting on it today, right? >> No, we're not voting on this today. >> Okay. Yes. So, I'm just open to it. >> And the floor is open for discussions and questions. Yeah. Um I I did look at your you know your proposed revisions and um I saw a couple other holes in the policy that I thought were repetitive from the beginning. Um where it mentions that um you know that uh it names a person serving Shannidoa County's schools on a full-time basis shall not be considered. Well, what if you were serving on a part-time basis? That's you know that was kind of a loophole. So, um I did write up um a few changes uh for for the board members just to um uh for the the

097two areas that you had highlighted um that I thought were a little more encompassing uh for the um you know for the changes and um I'll read them to you Gloria since you're not here and you won't see this. Um >> okay, thank you. Yeah. >> Yep. So um after that you know schools and school facilities may be named for individuals who have been deceased for at least 10 years and you know and prior to that no school or school facility shall be named for a living individual. So my suggestion was that we cross those two out and change it to there will be there shall be no requirement that individuals be deceased nor deceased for any minimum number of years in order to be considered for the naming or or dedication of a school

098school facility or area of a school facility. Um, and then going down to the second to last paragraph in it that the names of persons serving Shannidoa County Public Schools on a full-time basis shall not be considered. Um, I thought the appropriate change would be names of individuals who are currently employed by Shannidoa Public County Public Schools, whether full-time, part-time, temporary, or contracted, shall not be considered for the naming or dedication of any school, school facility, or area of a school facility. So that basically rules out any current employees and it would not um rule out any employer um uh former employees or more appropriately coaches because we do name football fields and things after coaches um who were current. This would sort of make it um wait till they retire, but that would be

099a good thing to have at a retirement ceremony. >> And those are all the changes I had. Can you repeat that one again, please? >> The whole the whole um thing. >> Yes. >> Yep. Names of individuals who are currently employed by Shannidoa County Public Schools, whether full-time, part-time, temporary, or contra, or contracted, shall not be considered for the naming or dedication of any school, school facility, or any area of a school facility. It basically just rules out current employees. >> So, um, originally the change I think for that one, you're talking about the last sentence of the next to last. Yes, where where I believe um Shannondoa County public schools was crossed out and Shannidoa County was left. >> So that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. >> Yeah, it was

100just a matter of not just making it Shannondoa County schools. It was going to be about old Shannondoa County. >> Okay. So it kind of changes a little bit but so I don't know if you wanted to change from your suggestion to take out public schools >> and guess Shannondoa account. >> Um but would you know would that enable anybody currently employed or serving Shannidoa County? That's where I thought there was kind of the loophole because it said on a full you know the full-time basis and all. So, >> right, but which I'm fine with. What I'm saying is it's not just for not for the public, not just for the public schools, but also for we don't have any employees right now. Shendo County, >> right? >> Basically, we just I just the reason

101for this was I wanted the public school um employees to be treated the same as Shimo County employees. >> Got it. Um, well, I think we're I think we want the same thing. Just a matter of the verbiage, but we can, you know, I'll email something over and we can figure that out. >> Sure. >> All right. >> Yep. >> Further questions and comments. I just wanted to thank uh board member Shy for his response to an email we all received earlier, I believe today about this uh policy change. I take it you researched the city of Alexandria public schools in their policy because you quote it and uh I just wanted to thank you for bringing that to our attention so that we had something to reference. >> So I appreciate that. Thank you.

102>> Appreciate it. No problem. That's it. Getting to nod. So, I guess it's time to move on. Thank you, Miss Carino. How's the weather over there? >> How's the weather? >> Oh, absolutely. It's fine. >> Well, stay safe. >> Yeah. Thank you. Committee assignments for 2026. Dr. Shepard. >> So, in front of you at your table is are the committee assignments for this calendar year and I believe um most of you weighed in on your what you wanted your committee assignments to be and I think everyone received their um their choice. So, it's in front of you for your information. >> I took request. I don't know about the balance. Um, and everyone responded. So, I think we have good good committee representation, good diversity. >> Mrs. Proctor, targeted support and improvement plan for Sandy

103Hook and WW Robinson. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So, let's get this up. Um, so we're going to switch gears a little bit and let's talk about some instruction now. So, as we discussed at our last meeting, we have two schools that are targeted support and improvement, which is Sandy Hook and WW Robinson. And so, uh, we got some clarification from the state on the requirements that we need to, um, make sure that we're satisfying for both of these schools. So, we're going to go through that this evening. Um and it is on um just informational this to this evening but then in next week on the 12th it will be an action item for you all to approve this plan. Um that is one of the requirements that the board has

104to approve the plan. So as we go through if you have any questions please don't hesitate to stop me and ask. So um as we talked about last time uh our identification is specific to students with disabilities at both of the schools. This presentation is going to talk about um why what is being done and how progress will be monitored. So what is targeted support and improvement? I discussed this last time but just to review this is something that is reviewed um annually by the state. Schools are identified when a student subgroup performs below the state benchmark and this is not a permanent. It can change from year to year. So what are the steps that we had to go through? So, we have to create a three-year plan and that plan has to have

105a root cause analysis. It has to have evidence-based interventions. It has to have annual goals and progress monitoring and it has to have alignment across systems. So, this past week we worked with WW Robinson and Sandy Hook to look at our root cause analysis and we're going to talk a little deeper about that. Um, so what did we find out? Well, we basically found out that there's a disconnect between general education and special education. Instructional planning and implementation were often occurring in parallel rather than together. Students with disabilities are experiencing inconsistent instructional approaches across settings. And this lack of alignment limited consistent access to grade level content. So basically what that means is we had gened and special ed working in silos. the the teachers weren't always working together and that's not necessarily because of

106choice. It's just sometimes it happens maybe because of scheduling conflicts um inexperience in maybe the special ed teacher or the gened teacher and so what are the things that we're going to do to rectify that? So we're going to increase mastery outcomes for students with disabilities and we're going to do this by continue strong performance for all students. We want to make we want if we bring up our sped students that's ultimately going to bring everybody's achievement up and we also have to focus on reading math and science for this plan. Uh so we have to have evidence-based interventions and so each school that is targeted for support and improvement has to pick two evidence-based instructional practice. Um each multi-year school support plan must include include two of those and they must also address math

107and reading. Um and so that also has to be based off of the needs assessment that we have done. And so I just wanted to point out um for those of you that may not know the difference between evidence-based intervention and a researchbased intervention. An evidence-based intervention is something that um the program or the method has been demonstrated through research and a researchbased program is something that has components that are researchbased. Not the whole program has been evidence-based. Um and it hasn't researchbased hasn't been subject to rigorous control testing and it's often relies on the different pieces that are researchbased. So I just wanted to point that out. So, let's talk about what our two schools picked. And they actually both picked the same um evidence-based interventions. So, for reading, for K through three, we're

108going to focus on explicit decoding and word analysis instruction. And in grades four through five, multi-elabic word reading in complex uh text. And the goal of this is to improve accuracy, fluency, and comprehension so that all students are able to perform reading on grade level content. And in math, we're going to use concrete and visual representations. And this builds conceptual understanding before abstract skills, consistent practices across general and special education. So what does this mean in in everyday language? That means we're going to start with using manipulatives for kids so that they're using hands-on materials that help them understand the conceptual knowledge behind the math concept so that they can have a better foundation. And then we're also going to do the same thing in science because science also lends itself to having some conceptual

109understandings before they move to abstracts. So introducing models and representations for things in science that also helps them understand scientific reasoning and vocabulary. So how are we going to do this? Well, we are going to have targeted professional development for our teachers. Unfortunately, this will have to be after school. Um but it will give them un undivided time to focus in on these EBIs. There will be um facilitators at each school that will be able to help teachers through this process and it will be a collaborative approach. It won't be teachers saying okay teachers here's what you need to go back and do go do it. It will be more of a let's talk about this method and then how does that look in practice next week when we're introducing this skill in math or

110reading or science so that they're actually incorporating it right into their plans. Any questions so far? >> I have a quick question. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, in regard when you say after school, what's the frequency of that? >> Once Great question. So, it will be once a week. Um, and so one hour of it will be working collaboratively and then another hour of it will be working independently. So, they'll get paid for two hours of work every week. >> How quickly will we know whether this plan is working or not? Well, that's a great question. That goes right. Thank you for the segue into my next slide, which is monitoring progress. So, the first thing we'll be doing is classroom walkthroughs. We'll be look we'll be going into classrooms to see if we

111see are we seeing manipulatives. Are we seeing students working on those decoding skills um in K3 classes or multi-elabic words in the upper grade levels? Um, we'll also be able to see it in our student data, um, benchmark data, mastery data, and then we also do our quarterly reviews with our administrators. And so hopefully we'll see it in that data. But just keep in mind that student data is a delayed response. We're going to see it in teachers before we're going to see it in student data. So it will take a little bit before the student data is going to catch up with what our teacher data. So the first thing we're going to be looking for is that first bullet classroom walkthroughs. Are we seeing it in practice? Um and that will be easy

112for us to do as a team. We are already do those. We go into classrooms all the time. >> And in best case scenario, we should have been identified as TSI schools in August. So we could have implemented this all year. Unfortunately, we didn't get our data until December. Are you going to go over this? >> No, I was going to bring it up. Perfect. >> But we didn't get our information until December. So, we're putting together a um process midy year where it would have been great if we would have been able to start it at the beginning of the school year. Um and so we do have the structure already in place where we're going in and doing classroom walkthroughs. We're already meeting with our administrators at our Friday focus meetings. So, the

113structures are in place. The biggest change will be just having the teachers work on the EBIS. And I will tell you the EVIs that they pic that the administrators picked, the decoding and the um manipulatives, CRA really are things that we're already doing in our schools. It's not like we're adding something new. These are things that we're already doing. We just need to get better at it. >> And that was going to be my question was um you know, how much more of a you know, or how much of a change would this be on the individual instructors? And then my other question, who is the we that goes and goes in the classrooms and and oversees this stuff? Like who exactly is your team? >> Um, so it would be myself, uh, Miss Heindgardner,

114Miss Bossy, Craig Sher, and Al, uh, Maggie Gavell who are math people. So those five folks and then also our SPED folks have now joined us. And so they now come to the Friday focus meetings and they're also doing walkthroughs. Um, so we have Miss Baker, we have Miss Janelle and Miss Mumal and Miss Ames joining that group. Excellent. So, lots of folks. Not everybody goes to the same school though. We've kind of divided up and deployed. >> Well, that's what I was kind of wondering too. You know, that would be a lot for a few amount of people. So, right. Thank you. >> Um, yes. And as uh Dr. Shepard was saying, it would have been beneficial to know this information back in the fall. However, we didn't. And I would anticipate this will

115be the trend until things get ironed out because we still like our accountability system is still new and we're on a delay getting all of our data. So, until the state figures all of that out, this is going to be how it is for a while. That's my guess. So, um, so how does this plan address the disconnect? It's establishing shared instructional expectations across gened and special ed. It aligns core instruction, intervention, and tutoring to the same instructional routines. Provides joint professional development. So, the special ed teachers and the and the gened teachers are getting the same PD together. Um, and then it monitors the implementation through walkthroughs, planning reviews, and student data. So each school will be getting $45,000 approximately and that money will go towards PD for teachers um for after school in

116the areas of reading, math, science and it will go to also to the special ed teachers um because Sandy Hook has a few teachers less that money goes a little farther for them and so they are also planning to use some of those funds for paraprofessional training and tutoring for students after school, we are going to um use do the same thing at WW Robinson. We're just going to have to use alternative funding sources for that. So, some of it may still come from All-In Virginia and some of it may come from Title One. >> So, we'll be supplementing with other funding sources for WW Robinson because they have more teachers. >> Questions? I went through that very fast. >> Using the pair of professionals, is that going to meet the sped requirement? Um, >>

117so this would just be for them to understand if they're in a classroom working with a teacher and there's a student that's struggling with decoding, then they know what are the strategies that our gened teachers are using so that they can be using the same language. It's not necessarily for them to be providing the main instruction. It's more of a support layer. >> Gotcha. Thank you. >> And they do work with small groups. And so if there are working with a small group, they also understand that, especially in math, like if you aren't used to using the manipulatives in math, that could be something that's new to you. And so that really helps. You know, everybody's on the same wavelength. Everybody's on the same page as far as how we use them. So that you're

118not saying it one way and then another teacher saying it another way, and we're creating confusion inadvertently. I have another question. Sorry, just about after school. I just I just want to make sure that our staff are, you know, being reimbursed for the extra work that they're going to have to do. Um, and you said it's just one day a week. Have they has it been explained to them exactly how they will be reimbured for that time? >> So, it has not No, they have not been part of that process yet. They know things are coming, but they don't know the specifics yet. So, we're in the process um this week of working with our administrators at those two buildings about how they will be rolling all of that information out to their teachers. Um

119so, Sandy Hook will be starting next week, hopefully, if everything goes well and we don't have any more snow days and delays. Um Robinson will be a week behind uh because we have a work day on the 13th, a professional day on the 13th and so they're going to start some professional development on that day and then the after school will start that following week for them. But yes, they will get reimbursed. They will be um the way we've done it in the past is each facilitator for their sessions will take attendance and give and then they'll get paid at the end of the month for the amount of sessions that they've done. and we just share that spreadsheet with finance and they make sure they get paid. >> They're going to be on a

120voluntary basis. >> No, everybody has to go. If you're a if you're a reading, a math, a science, or special ed teacher, >> they all go at the same time or they take turns. >> So, it's a rotating. One week it's reading, the next week it's math. Well, that's the way it is at Sandy Hook. At Robinson, all reading and math is one week and then science is the next week. So, If you're a K, depending on which school you're at, if you're at Robinson and you're a K3 teacher, you're going every week because you have reading, math, reading, math for K3. If you're uh fourth or fifth grade teacher, you're going every week because one week it's reading or ma or math depending on what you teach and then the next week is science.

121If you teach science, some some teachers might not have to go every week. >> Miss Parker, this is very similar to what we did at SU Lee Signal Knob and Peterber. >> Peter Muenberg over the last couple of years. >> Yes. >> The difference is um there's a multi-year plan that had to be written this time. in the past. We just had to write a plan that addressed it for the remainder of that year. Um, and it didn't have to have board approval. In the past, we tried to be mindful that teachers would be doing work on their own. So that's why we did two hours so that one hour is together and the other hour is really giving being accepting their professionalism that they're going to go back and work on these things on

122their own because they do. The facilitators also will get paid for their time for facilitating and for planning. >> Good. All right. And our facilitators are typically coaches and and so uh all the administrators have identified their the leaders in their grade levels. And so we actually have a lot of teacher leaders as well >> that paid at an overtime rate. >> No, it's $35 an hour which is what we pay our teachers when they do extra things. And if any of them do tutoring, they also get paid the $35 an hour. That is voluntary. >> Gotcha. Thank you. >> I will also attach next time for you um or I can send it to you now the the actual multi-year plan. This is just the summary of it, but it's a lot of stuff,

123but I'm happy to send those to you if you would like those. >> Yeah, please do. I was You're the only one who didn't give us a pile of handouts, so I was a little disappointed. >> You're welcome. you lightened our load. >> I'll just have Cheryl attach them to tonight's meeting. >> Thank you. >> Okay, we're in the home stretch. Board member comments. Other business. Mr. >> D one. Well, um I just want to uh say I appreciate all the work the board's doing and um and our staff um as always and teachers who are continuing to work hard and who had a rough day today in the elementary schools with all those kids who were um cooped up for a week um you know and then came back and you know kind of

124jumping off the uh the desks from what I heard. Um, so just I appreciate all you do every day and um I want to say something to um everyone who's here tonight. Um, you know, elected officials and citizens alike. Um, you know, we are, at least me personally, I'm trying to consume and and process all this information um that has been coming out over the last, you know, six months or a year or however long. Um, but this is a huge decision um for us to make on the future of the county. So, we want to get it right. So, give us a little more time. You know, we will um be actually voting on some things here in in early March. So, be patient. Um we and like I said earlier, um I am

125well aware that most of what we're talking about in the CIP is no longer wants its needs. So, um, we just have to figure out, you know, how much we can afford, um, and how much, uh, you know, the how much of an impact the the, you know, the new taxes, uh, that are coming in the Commonwealth and and everything and the reassessments are going to be. So, this is complicated, but um, you know, if it was up to me, we'd have 10 new school buildings tomorrow, but it's just not realistic. So, thank you. Thank you. Uh, >> Mr. Street is absent. Miss Corinio, District Three. >> Um, give me a second. I'm gonna pass for now. I'm looking for something. So, I'll let next person go. >> That's me, >> I assume. >> Okay.

126Miss Pence, District 4. >> Well, I did just write down a few things. Um, I just want to piggyback on what uh Mr. Shy had to say just so that our teachers, our staff, the school board um I I'm sorry, the uh central office staff understands that we are aware that we have some significant decisions that will definitely affect our students, staff, um and families and taxpayers for decades. Um and so you know as we continue this discussion I just want the public to know that just myself my priority is that you know we remain focused on the educational impact um the fiscal responsibility um as well as minimizing the disruptions for our students and staff while we're making decisions that we can stand behind for years to come. So we understand the weight that's

127on us. Um and um I think there are a few of us who are going to continue to push like where where are we? Let's let's keep moving forward. Um so I just want to say that publicly that we're we're not backing down on this, but like Mr. Shy said again, it doesn't happen overnight. Um, and then, uh, in regards to, um, just being out of school for a whole week, uh, I too want to thank our teachers and staff and building administrators who have sat through this whole, uh, two-hour meeting. I appreciate you after you've had a very long day already. Um, and just continue to thank, um, the folks who are actually the boots on the ground in our buildings. um and the folks from Triplet that also have been here meeting after

128meeting just making sure that we see your faces and we won't forget you. So, thanks >> Mr. Rickert District 6. Uh, first thing I wanted to say was thank you all all the constituents staff that showed up to uh voice what they thought are our urgent needs when it comes to the CIP and uh I definitely hear you all. Um I appreciate all of you all showing up time after time. Um, the other thing I wanted to talk about was recently I had procured a free program for our school division. It was through Prageru. It was a kids book fair in a box. Um, it was free for the first three school districts that responded and I was one of those three that responded. Um, and we had board member support uh, majority. So, we

129met with them and they were sending it out to us free of charge. Uh, here recently, I heard that somebody had backed out or something. Um, so Dr. Shepard was asked to cancel it. We've since found out that it already shipped. Um, I'm going to ask that we keep it when it comes in until we have proper open discussion in front of the public. um because we do other book fairs and I don't know if they receive the same scrutiny that this is receiving, but I would like to see us have open discussion about that at our next board meeting. Um I also heard a rumor from some parents that somebody on this board had said a new elementary school is not happening. Um, I don't know who that came from on the board, but

130I found it very intriguing and I assured that those parents that no vote had been taken, no proper discussion had been taken. Um, I actually heard it from somebody here tonight that they had heard it. I'd like to caution whoever it is if it is in fact true. Um, since I've heard it from several people, I would be surprised if it's not. Um, we are a board of six members. Um, so it does take a vote to uh to approve anything or disapprove anything. So, I would I would ask that whoever it is, please caution what you're saying to the public cuz if you're talking in one element and it's being perceived in another, we have to be kind of cautious as to how we say things, I guess. Um, other than that, I thank

131the staff. Thank you all for showing up at these meetings and putting up with all this stuff and spending all this additional time. I know your days are long enough. Um, but we appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you. >> Miss Carlinio, are you ready to go? >> Um, yes. So, um, there was something I want to talk to about, but I'm going to talk about it next time. U, I want to thank everybody for giving me this opportunity to be able to call in through Zoom, um, or Google Meet. Um it is yeah my driveway is very narrow and uh very you can get out um so I didn't want to have to uh risk it tonight but um uh thank you for all the work that the staff has put together for this

132um budget uh process. It's very complicated but we are going to be looking through it and um I do want to echo the two things that uh Mr. Ricker talked about. Um one is regarding what we're going to move forward. I haven't heard those rumors, but um I do hope that all the schoolboard members will have an open mind um as to what we should be doing next. And um I also want to second what he said about um the situation with the trigger book fair. Um I do believe that this is something that we're going to have to speak through in you know as in in the meeting so we can all talk about it and the community can know what it is that we're doing or not doing. Um, and as I said,

133I think this debate and some of the rumors again, uh, what I've heard has been through Dr. Sheepard. Um, we thought that we had an agreement on this. We had a majority at the board and that's why we proceeded with this and to now have to cancel after we had already agreed with it. Um, makes makes it look very badly um, and very unprofessional on our part. Um but it also raises question as to um some of the other book fairs and whether they do deserve um more scrutiny um that we have not given them. So I think this is something that's going to be a debate that's going to get started because of the situation. So maybe that that's the good thing. Um but um other than that I thank everybody and uh you

134know the kids are to go back to school rather just stay at home but we hope everybody and let's let's hope that we don't get more snow tomorrow and Wednesday as it has been um predicted. So, we'll see. But yeah, thank you for the opportunity to have >> Thank you. I would rate this a capital Q quality meeting for all of you who joined in the uh the conversation. Enforcer strong, right? An inside joke. Um quality input produces quality output more often than not. And this has been quality all around. And I thank all of you. It's only 9:03. So you've been very patient, very kind. And I'm looking for a motion to adjourn. >> Move to adjourn. >> Thank you, Mr. Rickard. Is there a second? >> Second. >> And Mr. Shabi seconds. All

135in favor of adjournment indicate by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? No. Hearing none, unanimous consent to adjourn. Meeting again on February the 12th. >> That's right.