001are we are we just going to three board members we need one more board member let me follow this okay uh the judge I receive a message from the board member lamb who is a ear and in order to not expose anyone and to accommodate her illness member lamb has asked to attend remotely due to the medical emergency which arose last night this is allow Pur Pur to the government call 54953 so do I have a motion to approve the request to accommodate member lamb and allow her to appear by Zoom do I have a motion move to approve a second okay roll call um Miss uh Mr s I'm here and Mrs gear okay Mr Chen I okay motion carry okay and is she gonna participate by Zoom okay so right now uh Dr
002chy please uh yeah uh walk the yes I see Mrs lamb on Zoom um may I go ahead and begin the session okay and then I start to to the meeting actually I see Mrs lamb on Zoom but I'd like to verify uh Mrs lamb can you go ahead and unmute and uh acknowledge that you able to hear and see us we doing aoll I am here and I can see you guys thank you thank you okay thank you uh this call to the order I would like to do a roll call uh m L here uh Mr song present Mr here Mr Chen here okay let uh stand up the to the pre of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one
003nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you next approve of today agenda do I have a motion to approve the agenda move to approve the agenda do I have a second a second roll call Mr song hi Mr Salam I Mrs gear I Mr Chen I motion carry seven uh public comment the board of education has adopted the B policy 9323 B to ensure the Public's right to be heard in any matter pretending to pertaining to the sarino UniFi School District person who wish to provide a public comment will have a three option to submit a public comment first submit to a online form if we have any submission via the online form we receive no submissions second request to speak during the meeting via The Zo Dr Choy please post the
004meeting to collect a public comment thank you Mr Chang we are pausing for one minute to take request to speak regarding matters that are on the agenda if you'd like to make a request to speak please press the raiseed hand icon and if you are joining by phone please press star n to make the request 30 seconds remain if you'd like to make a request to speak please press the raise hand icon or dial Star 9 okay do you have more you're still pausing for 10 more seconds judge okay uh president Chang there are no requests okay thank you uh next sorry uh request to speak during the meeting in a person via the public com car do we have any public Comm car now okay thank you okay next at the this time I
005would like to turn in over to the judge M thank you um I think when we left off yesterday um Dr DEA Tori was on the stand are we through with her testimony now or we are through with her testimony and we've called all our Witnesses other than Miss esamia who has refused to testify okay did you have any other further questions of her not of Dr Dale Jor no no sir okay okay who's going to call the next Witness I'm sorry your name amoris a n a r I would you raise your right hand to be sworn please you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth to help you God I do thank you and state your name for the record please amoris Bell thank you good morning Miss Bell that's
006probably pretty simple to spell but go ahead and spell your last name for the record it's bism boy e l thank you are you uh currently employed yes and where are you employed and what do you do um I am a board-certified psychiatric nurse practitioner and where do where do you practice um in Las Vegas Nevada and is that your current state and city of residence at this time yes in approximately May of 2018 did you meet a man by the name of Nathaniel Turner yes show you what we Mark as you recognize that yes I do and who is who is that pictured there that's Nate Turner would you hold that up for the members of the board please in approximately September of 2018 you and Mr Turner were boyfriend and girlfriend correct correct
007where did you live at that time in Lakewood California what was the address if you remember 5516 greywood Avenue did you own or rent that residence I own that property by approximately did you did you own it outright by yourself yes no Co no co-owners no by approximately December of 2018 did Mr Turner regularly stay at the greywood Avenue residence with you yes please describe for the board how your relationship developed with Mr Turner in 2019 and thereafter as irrelevant to these proceedings overr you may answer um so in January he was very convincing um he talked me into signing over my house to him um stating that we were going to get married and all of these things that we had talked about that he had promised me so I agreed um and then
008from there it just I mean it was it was normal like a natural relationship at first um but then you know after that it became much different and when you say you signed over the house did you actually sign a quick claim deed of your Residence at uh greywood Avenue over to Mr Turner yes and in 2019 and 2020 uh were you assisting him with his um he was trying to get a master's degree at that time right yes were you assisting him with that um I don't know if I would be assisting I pretty much did everything but yes and then um did you have a full-time job at that time I did and did you pay uh your own debts as well as Mr Turner yes I did your honor I'm going to
009object again as irrelevant I understand you've overruled it it's a running objection to this witness overr you may answer now I want to turn your attention to August of 2020 uh you had to head out of town to Texas for covid Relief work is that correct correct please describe for the board what happened the day before you left so I had got a call that I was going to go to Texas to work um they said that I needed to buy a black scrubs so I called him I let him know hey I'm going to go to the store and go buy some black scrubs I'm sorry black oh scrubs scrubs to wear gotcha um so he had got upset because I didn't ask him permission to go to the store so before I left
010the house he pulled up in the driveway he was very upset um I had just explained to him I'm just going to go buy some scrubs at that point I don't know why but he just decided that he was going to start to hit me and slap me in the car I started to scream I got out of the car I ran into the house he followed me into the house um at that point he pretty much attacked me um he was sitting on top of me I was on the floor I was crying I was kicking I was screaming and he told me that he was going to suffocate me like George Floyd as this is about around the same time um I had several scratches on me um a bruise on my face
011or like a red mark on my face um I don't even know how long it lasted but um it was very unexpected and very violent um and I was terrified now other than a one-month return at the end of 2020 you were out of town until April of 2021 correct yes I want to draw your attention to August of 20 21 when you confronted Mr Turner about paying for some car repairs what happened on that occasion um he had we had a credit card together and um I had found out that he had used my credit card basically that I was paying for to pay for some repairs on a card of a another woman that he was seeing or was you know using I don't know um so I confronted him about it um
012and he got very upset again he started yelling at me screaming at me um I had bought like a purse and I had the bag of the purse and he ripped the bag out of my hand threw it across the the living room and just grabbed me again threw me onto the floor this time he was sitting on top of me and like my face was down in like a rug a very thick rug in the carpet so like I could hardly breathe um he basically told me to take my hand like I had my hands right here he said put them to my side so I wouldn't be able to like push myself off of the carpet um and at some point I rolled over he grabbed my leg and he twisted my left
013knee and tore my MCL um I did go to the doctor after that but um again I don't know how long it lasted but when it was over I mean I was doing everything that I could to just even try and catch my breath um the next day I had to go to an urgent care so I could get like a physical so I could go out of town again to work and I had bruises all over my face I had um like kind of like blood you know in the white part of your eye um and I could hardly walk so um I went to go get a x-ray of my knee and then I ended up getting an MRI of my knee and I did have a torn MCL let me direct your
014attention now to March of 2022 the March April time frame of 2022 can you describe generally what your relationship was like with Mr Turner um by that point it was terrible um he was abusive every single day he was yelling at me every single day like there's nothing like I wasn't allowed to leave the house I didn't have keys to my car um I didn't have my old cell phone he took from me he took my laptop um he got me another cell phone but it like I had no friends no family no way to contact anybody I had nobody's number um he wouldn't let me drive so he would drive me to work and pick me up um and he just controlled every aspect of my life I I had no way to go
015anywhere like he he put a like a lock on the outside of the door so I couldn't even get out of the house without him unlocking the door in April of 2022 did you have occasion to contact law enforcement regarding Mr Turner I did what happened on that occasion so that earlier that day he had picked me up from work and he had found out that I was trying to just access my school email so I could see what was going on with my classes um he got upset in the car he started beating me in the car he slapped my head against the the window um he was upset that I was he thought I was trying to you know tell on him or something but I was really just trying to get access
016to my school and um he was driving around in my car he said that he was supposed to go to dinner with his his baby Mama's dad or something and we were going to go and he drove me from work to the restaurant we sat down we had dinner after the restaurant we were supposed to go out of town the next day and um I told him I needed some stuff from Target so we were in the Target parking lot and we walked inside Target and at that point I basically told him to F off and that I wasn't going anywhere with him and he told me he's like well if you leave or if you try to do anything like I'm going to come after you and at that point I didn't care anymore
017and so it was like maybe 9:30 10:00 I don't know Target was about to close and so I called Sheriff's Department Sheriff's Department came out he was in the parking lot I was in the parking lot because Target was closed um Sheriff showed up they asked me if I called him I said yes I did he gets dramatic and gets on the ground you know I don't know what that was about but I just said I want my keys and I want to leave they ran the plates found out that it was my car they said hey you got to give her her keys he gave me my keys I got my car I drove to my house I grabbed my dog out of the yard and I left and I never saw him again
018after that and I and I may be confused or I may have confused you but I was actually speaking of a different uh occasion when you may have called law enforcement to actually to your Residence at the at the uh greywood property um I called law enforcement to my residents at the greywood property so I could this was after the target incident so I could um get my belongings out of the house and then when I showed up to the house um with law enforcement um prior to that I they told me to meet them at the house and so I drove to the house he was actually walking out of the house with turned out to be this same girl and um they were about to get in the car and from what I
019saw I thought I saw him pull a weapon and um I drove off then I called the police again I let them know what had happened there was this big Fiasco but by then I had already went to the court and filed a restraining order and you have a binder right there if you could um flip to uh Exhibit 2 and go to page exhibit 2-6 260 page 260 and then if you could just kind of flip through that all the way to page at 271 is that your signature there yes and do you recognize this document from 260 to 271 as your application for a restraining order against Nathaniel Turner filed on June 30th 2023 yes let's go to page 277 do you recognize this as the actual Court restraining order that was entered
020by the court on June 30th 2023 yes then if you could go to page 286 there uh your name appears to be typed in uh also Nathaniel Turner's name as the restrained party do you recognize this as another uh Court restraining order filed on August 15th 2023 um yes in March and April of 2022 you recorded a number of phone conversations with Mr Turner is that correct I did and these recordings were pursuant to the court order of protection that allowed those recordings is that right correct let's go to exhibit 297 have you seen this document before yes is this a transcript of an April 2022 phone call between you and Mr Turner yes uh your honor and board members I'm going to play the recording uh the first part of the recording is is
021very difficult to hear and basically is not going to be you're not going to be able to hear it very well but you can follow along on the transcript and then kind of as the recording goes uh it it it picks up much more clarity I'm going to object to the playing of the transcript this document has been entered and no trans no recording has been entered into evidence or agreed to as part of the admission yesterday okay I'll allow it Happ yes f you you areaction [Music] on that recording would that your voice yes was it also Mr Turner's voice yes nothing further on the address you provided uh grawood what is that address 55 5516 greywood Avenue Raywood and who did you live there with when during the time of your testimony today
022Mr Turner you live there with Mr Turner isn't that right no that's not right I lived there by myself my son was there previously and Mr Turner stayed there from time to time so he stayed there but that was a place where he would stay regularly isn't that what you testified yes yes now testified about your temporary restraining order I'm sorry if I can interrupt um what is your name I'm sorry I don't know who you are Council and I'm asking the questions okay uh tell me the answer to my question and you can have it repeated again can you repeat it with the court reporter please repeat the question now you testified about your temporary restraining order correct and in fact that was a temporary restraining order isn't that right yes as a preliminary
023order and you never received an actual order on that restraining order isn't that correct well there's different one so which one are you referring to ma'am well let's take a look at exhibit 11 and Next to You Are finders and you can see finder one has exhibit 11 in it you familiar with this document this relates to your case Bell versus Turner I've never seen it before but I I know what you're talking about yes and it's a dismissal of your restraining order isn't that correct yes ma'am that's right and you didn't appear for that hearing isn't that correct uh no that's not correct I actually did up here for that hearing via online and they did not let me into the hearing on time so you're saying the order is is inaccurate when it
024says no I'm not saying that it's inaccurate let me finish it's really important that you let me finish not only so that you understand my question but also so the court reporter can take down what's being said because we're both being recorded so where it says there being no appearance by or for petitioner you disagree with that no I don't disagree with it but the fact that I didn't show up that's not true and did you refile or try to obtain a different restraining order after this date yes no I did not did you have a conversation with Mr Glazier before your testimony here today I talked to him on the phone how many times I don't recall more than once maybe twice and what was the let's talk about the first time you spoke
025with him what was the content of that conver ation um informing me about this whole thing I didn't know anything about what was going on what did he inform you about this whole thing um he stated that there was something happening at a school and that um he needed my information or my testimony regarding Mr Turner and his behavior your allegations isn't that right is that a yes yes and their allegations isn't that right you are talking about the document with it's alleging and what you're saying here today is no they're not allegations it's a fact this is what happened to me well let's take that one step back you don't have a court order that that finds that those things happen that you've alleged here today correct no I don't have a court order
026and the things you've alleged here today um didn't happen on District property did they no they had nothing to do with the school district isn't that right I don't know if they did or not as far as you were involved do you have any conversation with the school district about your allegations no now you testified you thought you saw a weapon there was no weapon was there I'm not sure if there was a weapon but there is a police report that finds that there's no weapon um so the recording that you have that you provide did you provide that to Mr Glazier yes I did uh when did he ask you for that or when did you provide that to him I should say I don't recall you don't recall no how long ago several
027months Maybe maybe so you remember things from longer ago but you don't remember when you provided Mr Glazier within the last several months with the reporting well I don't know if I would word it like that you probably wouldn't but it isn't that true no that's not true that's not true at all okay tell us um why you provided that reporting to him um because I feel like maybe that's the conversation between me and him of why he wanted that recording and I'm entitled to know what that conversation is it's exactly what you just heard no oh I'm I thought you were saying a conversation between Mr Glazier and yourself oh that's what I'm asking about your conversation with Mr Glazer uhuh about the recording yeah he asked me to provide the recording because there
028was transcript so he wanted to hear the recording and you agreed to that yes did you provide anything else to Mr Glazer no what else did you discuss with Mr Glazier um just when I was supposed to be here and what the context of it was that I would be before a board is that the only context he gave you um I don't recall talking really about anything else he said it's privileged information so I didn't even ask um when he said it's privileged information what was he referring to um maybe the case the um circumstances surrounding why this is even taking place did he explain to you why it would be a privileged situation or conversation well I guess I'm assuming that he's protecting you know whoever he's representing protecting his client yeah so
029he didn't give you any additional information about the context because he said it was privileged yeah okay how long were you with Mr Turner three years a little over three years and then you left in April of 2020 two two and you haven't seen him since that time is that correct um I saw him when we were in court and what date was that several dates in 2022 and early 2023 so when was the last time you saw Mr Turner um probably February 2023 I think that was the last hearing is that the hearing where the case was dismissed yes I don't have anything further just briefly your honor uh turning to exhibit 11 there in front of you that's actually a uh the the dismissal dated September 5th 2023 right why is it that
030you did not follow up with anything after September 5th 2023 well in June of um come to find out Mr Turner had um had some of his family members staying in my house that was empty at the time and I had called the sheriff's out because there was people in my house um I guess they had called him to come and pick them up they left I went to the court to put a restraining order against him so he would stay away from my property um after that I was um I showed up for this one online but they never let me into the hearing and so they dismissed it um but the whole point was to get him to stay away from my property because I was in the process of selling my home
031after this day my home had already sold so I didn't proceed any further with another restraining order after that and where were you living at that time since you sold that house I was already living out of state okay so you had no further you were living was already living out of state thank you so you had no reason to pursue any further restraining orders at that time okay nothing further anything further just to be clear the restraining order you're talking about was for a stay away from your property is that right correct as I understand it your testimony is that it was a property dispute yes thank you nothing further just briefly you you got that property back right that quick claim deed in favor of Nathaniel Turner was overturned and you were you
032were restored rights to that property right objection Le yes overol yes I was restored rights to that property the Ellis clerk signed the title back over to me because he actually refused to do it nothing further and again that property had nothing to do with the school district isn't that right I don't know if that's correct or not but tell us how it might be related to the school district I don't I have no idea I don't know what this what relates to the school D district and what does not so you don't have any information that it does relate to the school district I don't have any information if it does or does not know Ma I do not anything nothing further okay thank you thank you and your honor I appreciate your and
033the board's Indulgence uh but we can take a three-hour break my next witness will be here at 1 o'clock and I anticipate several witnesses that will take pretty short periods of time up through 3:30 4 o' do we have something else to fill in with nothing no you're and and the reason that the the the Witnesses were scheduled this way is that I did ask the administration for leave to bring in employees of the district during the board proceeding and was told no they would have to come in after working hours the Witnesses were told that that they could not they would have to take paid time off in order to appear so you know the fastest I can get a witness in here at one o'clock that witness is not that the one o'clock
034witness is not a district employee she's a professional attorney um but she'll be she'll be here at one and then I have several District employees and students ands their character Witnesses well I I hate to adjourn for three hours um is there anything we can fill in with no no I don't know of anything you're honor I don't have um anything at this point I mean if I have a BAL witnesses that would come after I've heard from respondents Witnesses CH I have a comment you know the the Board of Education trying to make a effort uh to attend this uh special healing process for uh Mrs Esa so so I would like everyone to be commit yeah you know each of we are volunteer but but I have a full time I'm dedicated to
035today so and I also hold a lot of responsibility for other organization you know that they ask me to answer so my time is very valuable so I I I would like this uh hearing process is very valuable for the PO you know concentrate the time to listen because this uh M Mrs es the right way to listen but I I I hope we can facilitate this process and also in the meantime I still want to ask the question this is my third time to ask the question why we cannot testify Mrs es we we may have a lot of question to ask yeah yeah so your your client knows more about her case than anybody else in this room but I have I have several responses to that and first of all I want
036to I want to thank you uh Mr Shan and Chan and and K and and all of the board members for your time because it is it's very valuable time I totally appreciate that you did set aside two full days and I don't intend to go beyond two full days my challenge is to try to get Witnesses here you know have a also have very full days and and are required to be at work um and so I'm not taking any more of my time than I than I'm a lot I get I get a day basically the the administration gets a day I get a day I can't fill the next three hours but I but I will be done by today I'm not gonna I'm not going to take longer than today um
037obviously this is an incredibly important hearing Miss esa's career is on the line and again I very much appreciate the board taking all the time that it is to very carefully consider all of the evidence from both even Administration and mesia with regard to mesia testifying this proceeding is much more in line with a Criminal proceeding than it is with a civil proceeding and the reason for that is nobody's suing anybody here nobody is asking for damages in this forum before the board I'm not trying to get damages from the district the district is not trying to get damages from M esia there is no there's no um um perspective relief or or or or or or property relief I'm not trying to get it with straining order against the district the district is not
038trying to restrain or compel mesia in any way there's only one purpose here and that purpose is punitive it is taking away M esa's livelihood it is ending her career so that is much more in line with a Criminal proceeding than it is with a civil procedure neither the rules of civil procedure nor the rules of criminal procedure apply to this board hearing the only thing that governs this is rule is uh provision 16 of the collective bargaining agreement and in that in that collective bargaining agreement it simply says that there will be a full and fair hearing according to Due Process due process in this matter allows me to protect my client it allows my client to declined to testify and be compelled to give evidence against herself you're it also allows you to
039take that into consideration when you go back and deliberate on all of the evidence now I will as her attorney encourage you not to hold it against her that she doesn't testify but I can't compel that because this isn't an actual criminal and you're not going to get an instruction from a judge like you would in a criminal trial that you cannot consider her failure to testify you can't can't stop that but let's face it in in this if I'm hearing right from the administration they're Act accusing my client of a crime and now they're asking to have her testify in their case or mine against herself she has an absolute US Constitution and state constitution right not to be compelled to give testimony against herself Fifth Amendment of the Constitution is she asserting the
040Fifth Amendment to be clear council is she asserting the Fifth Amendment I'm not here to answer your questions I'm no it's to be clear for the board because you're talking about the Fifth Amendment and let's hear it what I'm what I'm doing is I'm answering the board presid president's question as to why mesia is not compelled to testify in this hearing this is much more in line with a Criminal proceeding than it is with a civil proceeding and therefore there is and there's nothing in rule in in article 16 of the CBA that says she must testify so the administration could put on its and by the way one more consideration for months I have asked the administration for access to District Witnesses and and I've and I've try to go get District Witnesses who
041have told me that they feel intimidated and they don't no this is what as an officer of the court I'm representing to you that witnesses will not will not testify unless they receive a subpoena and then they'll testify so I go to opposing Council and I say I I got a problem here I I can't I don't have subpoena power and her answer to me is that's right you don't and neither do I you can't subpoena Witnesses m esamia is a district employee I can't subpoena District employees neither can she so she can't require the testimony of Miss Esa any more than I can require the testimony of David iier I would love to call David iier as a witness in this hearing I can't because he refuses to come he doesn't want to come
042without a subpoena I get it and I had lots of questions for David iel who was Nate Turner's direct supervisor and L esamia supervisor so is the board going to get all the evidence that it might otherwise have liked to get no it is not it's it's going to get the best case it can from the district from the administration and it's going to get the best case it can from me so I hope that satisfies the questions that we have regarding this Es as teson I'd like to be heard sure thank you your honor first of all uh council's testimony about our conversation is not accurate this is not a criminal proceeding this is an administrative proceeding has nothing to do with life liberty or deprivation of her rights under the con stitution however
043if council is suggesting that she has a right under the Fifth Amendment then say so and assert it because I then have the right to ask the questions and she can refuse to answer them but then this this board can hear what those questions are um she is a party to this action she's I don't need to subpoena a party to this action I have a right to to examine this witness and they've made it clear that they're not going to make her available we've made a motioned that this hearing that she requested should be dismissed for her refusal to participate in a meaningful way in this process and we renew that motion and we will continue that motion as we move forward if if the um matter continues I one other point what section
04416 does say is that due process applies due process goes both ways the district has due process mesy has to process and we have the entitlement to particip have meaningful witness testimony yes it's true I can't subpoena everybody that I'd like to have here that is absolutely true and neither can Mr uh Glazier but we do have a party here who's refusing to testify who requests this hearing thank you okay I will deny the motion to uh U dismiss uh without prejudice and uh it's obviously something that the board has heard and uh um how they want to deal with that is their decision um do we have any other Witnesses till uh what time is your next witness until one o' one o' one o' and again I anticipate that witness to be short
045and then the witnesses following that to be short uh by by the way I I just want to make a comment uh you know after serving for the school board member 25 years I prob the couple time the hearing process so this is the first time I I can talk to the the first party directory yeah to me it's a very unusual okay that's my comment are there any other Witnesses we can fill in with at this point yeah I have no witnesses to fill in at this point thank you you do wish to call the claimant but she's not she's refusing repeatedly and and she's not the claimant which is important well yeah she's the respondent I would like to know if and I would ask the board and the judge to be clear
046that if she is refusing to testify based on the fifth amendment that that be stated on the record heard so if she's refusing to testify is it possible that we can come up with some question to you and you can kind of talk to your client and come up with some answer from yourself yeah yes we will entertain that so so why why why don't we just do that since we have three hour need to talk yeah that's I will object to that process because um well let me finish um the district does the administration separate from the board has the right to be a full participant in the questioning yeah I I I'm going to refract that because I agree that would be unfair to miss Adams because she would not have a chance
047to then class so I I I can't I can't because that would be unfair to the district I understand my uh colleague trying to collect more information absolutely but as the bo chair I I still think yeah we have to do um collect yeah may I ask a legal question of the judge um so uh in the case that Mrs esia asserts her Fifth Amendment rights she can refuse to answer a question that she would feel would be um against herself or whatever and can choose to answer questions that she would feel would be in her favor correct yeah so why why um can you please answer do you understand my question what I'm getting at why we are bothering with saying no and she can please clearly like defend yourself and I I want
048to know it seems like it this is very multifaceted there's a lot going on here and we are not getting the whole picture and she knows in her heart her motivation she knows what happened from her point of view and we would love to hear that sure I it let me let me separate off the Fifth Amendment concern because okay and that and that's addresses the the very first part of your question would it not be possible for a witness to testify in an administrative proceeding like this and assert his or her Fifth Amendment right question by question the answer to that is yes that that's often done it's a little bit difficult to do in in a in a hearing because the witness has to assert that privilege you know I can I can
049do my best to object on Fifth Amendment grounds and then the witness has to you know decide whether or not they're going assert that's only that's that's one very small aspect of of what's going on here well I would assume when you are questioning her you wouldn't question her in a in a way that uh she wouldn't be able to tell her side and assert that right because you're her representation yeah that's not what I'm referring to what I'm referring to is if if if she's under examination by District Council by Sorry by Administration counsel um and I by the way I tried to be careful and not say District I mean administration because I I understand that they're they're they're they're for for us separate for the purposes of this hearing um Administration counsel
050questioning the witness all I can do the only thing I can do is object and instruct the witness or advise the witness to assert her Fifth Amendment right uh but that's a very small that's a very small part of what I'm talking about and I'm not I'm not saying she's she's asserting her Fifth Amendment rights I'm confused about whether the administration is intending to accuse her of a crime from what I've heard they're throwing around a lot of penal codes and they're talking about things that are misdemeanors and they're alleging that some people broke the law they're not being clear in my mind who that is they would have to be very clear that they are intending to assert that against my client before before I would advise her plan of her Fifth Amendment rights
051that's absolutely is separate from the completely distinct and separate considerations that it is imminently unfair for the administration to be able to effectively subpoena this employee to the to the witness stand because that's what she is she is a current District employee she's here voluntarily attending her hearing because she's on paid administrative leave she doesn't have to be down at the high school working so she's here to participate in the hearing she requested hearing she requ she absolutely requested the hearing which is her right and and and that doesn't that request does not carry with it an obligation there is nothing in the in the in the collective bargaining agreement that requires that she she doesn't even need to be here she doesn't have to attend she can she can request the hearing and then
052not show up and allow me to conduct the whole thing so I mean that's a lot under the collective bargaining agreement it you could have a representative do it instead of you so there's no there's no compulsion in the collected bargaining agreement for her to testify what is what would be imminently unfair is that opposing Council gets to effectively subpoena her while she s she she's saying I want to put her on the witness stand that's the same as a subpoena I want to put David Iran on the stand I want to put several people from the district on the witness stand here for you to hear their testimony I can't do it there's nothing I can do because I don't have subpoena power so so it is very unfair to allow the district to
053have that subpoena power sorry the administration to have that subpoena power but not me and then also finally although I'm reversing the arguments here again this is a hearing that is not subject to The Rules of Evidence not subject to the rules of of civil procedure not subject to the rules of criminal procedure but the best that it can be likened to is that it's closer to a criminal trial than it is a Civil Trial because nobody's suing anybody somebody are you saying there's a crime no you keep saying it's criminal I mean it's I'm not you're kind of arguing both sides I'm not trying to and I'm sorry if I'm being confusing but what I'm saying is the penalties that are available the penalties that are available are punitive in nature and only punitive
054that's it and a punitive penalty is like incarceration life liberty and the pursuit of happiness raised upon my by my by my colle not Liberty her Liberty is not at stake she's not going to jail her her her uh I'm sorry not life she's not going to jail she's not you know she's not subject to being in prison but Liberty includes her right to employment The Pursuit of Happiness includes her right to employment so those are effectively being taken away if you follow the recommendation of the administration so it's a p all I'm saying is that it's it's closer to a criminal proc that's all I'm saying it's not a criminal proceeding but it's closer to criminal than it is to civil so again there are those fairness considerations that that augur for you know
055her her right not to testify against herself um that's that's my argument I'd like to be heard uh it is not like a criminal proceeding in fact civil proceedings happen all the time where there's a termination of employment and a challenge to that termination so there's just no relevance to what a criminal proceeding was the district is not long enforcement agency um certainly the district has an interest in ensuring that laws and statutes regulations are enforced and that has been made part of the notice of intent and statement of charges that have been brought against Miss esamia um so and certainly the Fifth Amendment is available in both civil and criminal matters and of course in this administrative proceeding if she wants to assert the Fifth Amendment but the idea that it's close to a
056criminal trial and therefore I'm not going to testify is just not supported and in this she is a party to this action the only way she can request a hearing is by being a party to this action so again the notion that we're somehow using a subpoena Authority that he doesn't also have access to is is not accurate but that I'll submit you um so we don't have anybody to fill in between now and one o' there there's nobody to fill in but I do have a couple exhibits I could Mark and and go ahead and distribute might as well get that out of the way right okay yeah get ready what e um in the meantime Mr Glacier is there no circumstance where both council could uh meet and come up with some conditions
057that they would both be satisfied so that we could hear Mrs esia I mean we have three hours yeah well for example like we ask question we ask a question or something would they both agree to that they would be satisfied if if that's the case with both sides I don't know if you're willing to yeah definitely I'll take we can take some time and me I'm I'm happy to discuss with Mr Blan let Mark as exhibit 54 November 7th letter from Mr David e Council this is already in the record yeah I can give you the citation yeah if you what's the 43 exhibit 43 yes exhibit 43 so it's already it's already in your packet sorry about that so strike that we'll go with exhibit 54 as a 25 September 2024 character reference
058from does the board and the judge wish to hear objections at this time or how would you prefer to handle this e e did Council have something I do I have an objection to the proposed exhibit okay one it's not relevant there's no ability to cross-examine this Witness the notion that to can be submitted without being subject to cross-examination is um is part of my objection and this was not presented with the response to the notice of intent to dismiss and statement of damages of this new document okay it it will be received for what wait the board U decides to give it thank you and I'm not sure I need to respond to that but it's along the exact same lines as all of the letters of recommendation that we received yesterday that suffer
059from all the same defects in terms of witness cross- examination no objection was posed to those exhibits okay do we have anything else we can fill up some time with uh or no but I'm happy to take some time to meet with opping Council and you know kick it around okay um you want to come back yeah I guess uh one o'cl you'll have a witness here yes sir okay let's adour to one o'clock um in the event you come to an agreement will you please notify us and we can start sooner than one o'clock sure yes e e e okay right now is a 10:4 p.m. uh this continue for this morning meeting before we start uh I like to do the r call uh Mr s hi uh Mr here Mr here Mr
060CH here okay uh right now let's go to the all right you have a witness now yes sir honor thank you okay follow your first Witness candra zapin write it for you I think I know that a p a r r e impressed yes would you raise your right hand to be sworn you swear to tell the truth the whole truth of nothing but the truth so hope you got I do thank you state your full name for the record please Cassandra zapo and I think the court reporter already got the spelling of that am I right correct very good um you served as the Titan football boosters president for the 2023 season correct yes some testimony and some emails in this case regarding the frustrations with with actually getting a coach in place early
061in the season uh have already been introduced in this case but I want to jump right to May of 2023 um Dr de laori has testified in this case about a meeting that she had with you and some others concerning Nate Turner at which Dr de laori contends that another potential coach's name was mentioned a Mr cisos do you recall that meeting if you were talking about I attended many meetings with Linda delator and Jason curbach and other people if you're talking about the one that was here at the district office yes the conference room that one um yes I do remember that meeting and who is Mr ceros a coach in the area okay and what was said at the meeting about Mr czos if you remember um so before this meeting uh it
062was my understanding that Jeremy ceros was hired as a coach and then fired the same day and I was as the same Marino head coach not as a head coach as Nate Turner's assistant coach he applied for I believe the head coaching position which was given to Nate Turner and then after he applied for the assistant coach position and was hired by San Marino is what I understood and then promptly let go so in the meeting with Linda delatori and others um Daisy Wilson who was the booster Treasurer at the time and still is uh brought up the issue of Nate Turner not having any assistant coaches and what happened to the assistant coaches that were I will call it teed up to help him and Jeremy's name was brought up at that meeting and
063what was the uh what was Dr dori's response to that question if you remember it wasn't a question it was more of a statement that Daisy made about if he has no coaches to help him why didn't you hire these people who are willing to help him and do you recall whether there was that sounds like a question so I was just wondering if you recall the response of of Dr deori to that I don't think she had a response did you chime in with anything at that point about Jeremy correct um or assist or the assistant coaches in general that situation I think the issue that we were discussing was the fact that this coach Nate Turner was very unorganized and there were people willing to help him that had already been approved by
064the district and they should reconsider their position about hiring various people who had already passed the background check and been HR on boarded um was that basically the purpose of the whole meeting no there were many many issues surrounding coach Turner uh and this was I believe the second or third meeting we had had Daisy I and I and Steve Park another parent um about the coaching situation what were the um tell me what the issues were at this may 2023 meeting um besides the lack of organization and hiring of assistant coaches what else was discussed at this meeting and again just give me a second because I had many meetings so this particular May meeting uh was a followup to a meeting we had in Jason curtain Box's office um where we met him
065the first time it was um a follow-up to many things the summer program ha was about to start and it was very unorganized as well and there was always a disconnect between the district Linda and her staff and the the summer program being run by Stephanie Duncan and all the parents were coming to me and asking a lot of questions about what was going to happen for the summer so I was trying to get some clarification about how to communicate better with the parents about all what was going to happen in one week's time um we had an agenda I know that um Linda had put had suggested an agenda and I added to it so there's probably an email saying what the agenda was and those are the things we discussed um I want
066to say there were like eight to 10 things that were on the agenda so uh we discussed all those things and I believe that I I can't remember if that was that was before Jason left Jason curbach so I believe he was at that meeting as well as well as I believe the might have been the head maintenance guy and David Lynn I might be confusing it with another meeting I had but that's and just to be clear Jason curbach is the former principal he was principal before Dr Wolf is that right correct Jason curbach up until he left was the um I will call it the middleman between the parents and the boosters and the coach he was the self-appointed middleman that we were supposed to run everything through if we had a question
067or a concern so I take it you took a fair amount of topics and concerns to Mr curbach uh before you had this meeting in May up here at the district I began meeting with Jason curbach in January um and then that was right after we had a meeting set up before um the prior coaches were let go and then I probably met with him four more times um did you date Mr czos date him is he is has he ever been your boyfriend no was there any time during the meeting in May with Dr deori that you Advanced as a potential candidate a former boyfriend of yours for for the head coach position no the coaching staff was set when we had that meeting um Daisy Wilson brought up again I will say daisy
068Wilson who has also I have three sons in the program my oldest just graduated last year I have a freshman a junior Daisy has four sons and her youngest is I believe in fifth grade so not only is she a booster parent she is a parent who's going to be in the program for 10 more years so we were meeting as booster representatives to try and get some answers and to try and get some some things established because when Jason left um there were a lot of holes and the coach the new coach was very uncommunicative and um I I we didn't know his status um but Daisy was bringing up that several local people who knew the vibe of San Marino and had applied for the job were not hired and we kept hearing
069that there's no coaches to assist Nate Turner so Daisy was bringing Daisy brought it up um what about these people that were already hired or not even just dismissed who would still be willing to help to which um now you're refreshing my memory Linda delatori said those people will never be hired in San Marino I see did you ever Express at that meeting that you were upset that Nate Turner was made coach over a former boyfriend of yours no did you ever express that you were upset that Nate Turner was made the coach at all no I I want to be clear my frustrations were because Nate Turner had started off in a very strange way in my opinion uh he was very unresponsive the first meeting I had with him in Jason's office it
070was Jason I think uh Jason Rose was there I think David ARA was there I think Linda delatori was there Daisy Wilson Steve Park um it was before he officially took the job and it was a what I would call a Shakedown um by the district to try and get the boosters or smcaa to pay Nate Turner more money so that's how I met him got it now I want to move uh well ahead in time to August 27th of 2023 was there a meeting at your house that day concerning a packet of information about Coach Turner yes would you flip to uh exhibit two in the binder there and just uh thumb through that and let me know if you recognize that as the packet of information that was discussed yes tell me who
071attended that meeting me Daisy Wilson Pat esima Roberto ciss Steve Park Devin Beck Bill Panini what was discussed at that meeting uh Nate Turner and I take it this this packet of information was available aable at that meeting and this packet was discussed is that right um I believe it was based this packet yes there might have let me look through it yes we discussed this packet and and what if anything was decided as a result of your discussions um it was decided that instead of going to the parents with this information we would present it to the district specifically Linda deltor and was there a um was there a method in place or a method decided upon for approaching Dr de laor with the packet so Steve Park and I want to say this
072meeting was not a booster meeting whatsoever it was a parent meeting of parents that I already knew had some concerns and that I uh highly value their judgment and their opinions um Daisy for the reasons that I said she's in this program and does a lot for this District on PTA and everything through all levels of schools Valentine Middle School high school for Sons um Rober siss um I had been talking to the solises it had come to my attention during the season that their son Julian who was a star on the football team was struggling under coach Turner and um I know they had some concerns um Steve grew up here graduated here was a twar athlete baseball and football uh and was very involved in the program um as an alumni and also
073a parent um Devin Beck uh was possibly going to be the booster president the next year but his son Brady was our Star Quarterback um Phil pit andini uh his son and my son are very good friends so I know them very well and I um I always like his opinions and he's not afraid to Express them and me that's it right I think I went through everybody so that is how that group came together is because Steve and Daisy had already been going to meetings with me about football in general not just the coach um and the other people I thought were good were people that we wanted to I wanted to collaborate with or get everything everybody to collaborate with on what to do with all this information was Lea esima present for
074that meeting no and you said that uh there was a decision made to present the material to Dr deor what was the what was the method by which you were going to do that so it was a Sunday I believe and Steve Park said it it was decided amongst all of us after talking about it that and I forget who said these words but somebody said okay we're all in agreement we don't want this guy serving as a mentor and a coach to our young men um and we discussed whether we wanted to have a parent meeting and kind of make it a bigger I guess audience to decide on what if anything to do with this information but it was decided that we should give the district and Linda in particular notice that this
075about this background stuff um and the hearing that was coming up on uh September 5th and Steve was going to approach Linda and contact Linda because he was going to be our spokesperson or spokesperson for all the parents and ask her for a meeting Steve Daisy Phil and Roberto were going to go to the meeting um and give the district and Linda an opportunity to I guess discuss it and to hear the many concerns not only dealing with this packet but the many concerns that were already apparent by August about this coach and did that meeting take place no what happened uh Steve gave Linda a call or an email however he did it and set up a meeting I believe it was supposed to be the next day Monday or Tuesday and then Steve
076also said to her that there was this information about the coach that maybe she should review before the meeting and I believe he gave her a copy of it in which case she then said that her attorney needed to be present or the district's attorney needed to be present and then she told Steve you know if you go something along the lines of and again I wasn't there but this was what was communicated to me uh if you go forward with this you know we're going to have to cancel your season cancel the football season cancel the football season and if you go forward with this and so the meeting got cancelled because Steve who also had a senior on the team and other people who had seniors on the team five of which five
077or six now of which who played football this year at College five or six out of 14 or 13 pretty high number uh we didn't want to cancel the season for them but that was the threat if Steve and his and Daisy and Roberto and Phil went forward with the meeting let's talk a little bit about um well let me ask you this as the booster president did parents of um Titan football players come to you with complaints about coach Turner complaints concerns yes take me through some of those where do you want me to start um well let me just start besides the parents as a mom of people on the team the boys first and foremost had complaints not only complaints but were saying things that were very concerning to me and other
078parents um it started pretty early on um and again I was not present for whatever was happening um but my oldest son who was a senior at the time one Saturday after a week of practice and I believe this was kind of around the same time August when we came back from Summer um he and maybe 10 other boys had a their own meeting at IHOP one Saturday morning to discuss Co coach and what to do and again you'd have to ask him what was discussed because I wasn't there all I know is when he came back and he doesn't give me as much information as some of the uh your kids maybe do but it was very telling because uh he said we decided we're not going to do anything we're going to play
079for each other not for this coach who doesn't care about us essentially um during the summer again there were complaints about things um but when I and again Jason was gone Linda had said come to me now as the middle man between me and the coach but it was passing the buck between PT Affiliates and the district um so there were lots of issues just about communication uh organization last minute cancellations uh a big fight I've always had um is about water um and hydration which was not happening during the summer and that was another meeting we had um at some point about that with Linda um but again it was PT Affiliates who was in charge so the district couldn't do anything but from when we came back from Summer to I don't know
080when do you want me to go the end of the season um the coaches Behavior to me seemed very erratic um he would call Daisy Wilson at 11:42 PM multiple times to the extent that her husband John said block him um he would not respond to any requests he said in a meeting that he would not be dictated to or questioned and he would not going to he was not going to respond to any emails um he made a very big I'll call it stink about um how he wasn't provided any resources for coaches gear which which was a complete lie also um [Music] he the kids um and this is their words were tell me and this is not just my own kids it was my kids's friends who were on the team that
081he's a tweaker you'd have to ask them what specifically they meant by that um so it it was it was a whole bunch of things that oh he didn't show up on time he missed every Thursday because he went to his daughter's soccer games um and the most important game arguably the most important game of the season he arrived at two minutes before and it was senior night and it was for winning the conference title outright um and it was a very mismanaged game but I don't I'm not a coach so you'd have to ask other people who know about coaching um but he showed up two minutes before that game yes did you win that game no we could have um let me ask you is uh is Lea esya a friend of yours
082I know Lea our sons are good friends yeah but is she a friend of yours is Lea a friend of I would consider us friends are you good friends explain to me I mean I'm on a group chat or I was on a group chat with the class of 2024 moms um and that is how I have ever communicated with Lea other than to see her at the school when she was working here do you um do you hang out with Lea outside of the football football boosters or anything like that never when's the last time you spoke to L es uh the last time I spoke to Lea esamia was when she came to support my son and the other seniors at the senior baseball game at San Marin oh high so that would
083be last spring May or April because she knows all those boys my son and the 10 others that were graduating seniors given given the information in Exhibit 2 and um all of your discussions with um other football parents maybe discussions with your own kids even um why is it that you didn't pull your kid your well your kids you had two why did you not pull them off the team I just told you my son is one of the five or six who are playing college football and had you pulled him off the team what do you think would have happened with that well he was actively being recruited by me uh a few teams I don't want to say many um and that would have killed his recruitment hopes do you know uh the
084reason why any other parents based on the fact that they may have discussed this with you do you know the reason why other parents maybe did not pull their their kids off the team based on the information and exhibit too uh the the I can think of two others who were in the same boat um who both their kids are playing college football right now as well um and they were actively trying to be recruited and make it onto college teams um one is at a D1 in New York and one is at a D3 University of Chicago um and they weren't going to jeopardize their chances to play and get into good schools with football um a few people contemplated it I guess that I knew about but at the end of the day
085it was just um the ones I'm thinking of said I'm just going to start going to the practices and making sure that there's no nothing crazy happens meaning the parents said they were going to go to the yes to watch the practices to make sure that the behavior was in line with standards that were expected of a coach gotcha no further questions thank you yeah give me one second while I get Miss Zer arino am I saying that correctly close enough close enough thank you um would you say there were a lot of rumors about Coach Turner no I would say there was a lot of information about Coach Turner uh well let's take a look at exhibit 31 you have a set of binders over there I'm not sure which binder is open see
086no not 31 yeah excuse me it is number 28 are you familiar with this document well I see it's an email from me yes Sanders epino and then your address it references CJ morning is that you yes that's my email address now looking at that first line people are contacting me on a daily basis to ask what is happening they've heard rumors swirling what kind of rumors were swirling at that point at this point it was that we had announced Jason curbach had announced the coach but he had yet to actually accept the position it was rumors about whether or not we had a coach or not and what were the rumors that he didn't actually accept the position despite being announced as our coach Miss Zino do you know Mr Glazier I know him
087now do you only know him through this law or through this administrative proceeding yes you've never met him before these proceedings nope okay and did you discuss with him your testimony here today nope how did you know to come here today he told me he wanted me to testify back in Whatever Whenever was the first hearing date October whenever that was and when did he contact you for that hearing um let's talk about the first time he contacted you when was that first time he contacted me I met him at a football game and he asked if he told me he was representing Lita and he asked if I would give a declaration which I did which I'm sure you have did you write that declaration I didn't write it from start to finish did
088not watch his office wrote that declaration for you correct uh he gave me a draft which I find to and it's identical to the other declarations that were submitted by the parents you've identified as having been at your house the night of the 27th I don't know that I haven't seen their declarations uh have you discussed your testimony today with l esamia no I haven't spoken to Lea since I saw her at the baseball game last year you didn't discuss it at that point no we talked about how great the kids were and the seniors what about with Patrick Esa no when was the last time you spoke to him I believe the last time was maybe at my house at that meeting and that meeting was August 27th is that correct uh you guys
089probably know the date but it was a Sunday I know that I'll represent you it was I will I will conce and you're a lawyer is that right yes now you've answered some questions about concerns with Coach Turner did you ever file a complaint with the district regarding coach Turner uh I don't know what you mean by complaint but I definitely voiced these concerns and you can call them complaints to uh Linda and others okay thank you I didn't mean to cut you off it's okay uh did you ever submit a written complaint to the Department of Human Resources I believe Jason Rose might have been on those emails too but I didn't do anything formal if that's what you're asking partly but there were several emails about so you've testified that uh Mr cisos
090was not your boyfriend did he live with you at some point no okay this another rumor about me talk about rumors are there rumors about you well in that meeting Linda also suggested that I might be friends with the last coaches as well which I did not take kindly to why would that bother you she was suggesting I was sleeping with the coaches did she say that did she ask you if you were sleeping with the coaches no but she said I heard you were friends and she used air quotes with them too because the old coaches came up the T and you interpreted that we all knew what she was talking about okay and you is it your testimony that you did not say you wanted Jeremy cisos to serve as the head coach
091is that what you were testifying in response to Mr Blazer are you saying at the meeting with Linda delator when we had already had a head coach that's right no I never said I wanted Jeremy cisos to be the head coach Daisy and I and I believe Steve even were asking why we the district failed to go move forward with Jeremy as assistant coach because he had already been hired as an assistant coach and what was the response to that that they will never hire him who and you're saying that Dr de laori said that Linda said that yes but it was your understanding that he had been hired isn't that way you testified that he had been hired and then fired yes I I know he was onboarded at HR and get received an
092smusd email how do you know that because he told me he told you did you see it no but he called me when he got hired to ask some questions about the program because he knew I was Mr President personal knowledge of what his Communications were with the district or the status of his hiring with HR do you no I only know what he told me but I'm sure you guys can get that information who's Chris zuia uh a parent in the community is he somebody that lived with you in 2023 no no was he ever your boyfriend I dated him in 2015 and he never lived in your house in 2023 no okay and are you aware that Mr Zubia was badmouthing Mr Turner when he was being considered for the coaching position I
093would disagree with that statement but I understand that that is the that was Stephanie Duncan's position when she called me but Stephanie Duncan told you that she had heard about the bad mouthing of Mr Turner she told me something along the lines but she did not use those words she didn't use the term bad mouthing is that what you mean um she just kind of rambled on about uh people are talking about Coach Turner negatively is that correct yes and is it now you you've testify that you've said negative things about Coach Turner correct that's not what I testify to I said factual things about Coach Turner would you consider them negative what are we talking about the the issues that you said you've talked about with Mr Turner I don't consider them positive or
094negative I consider them factual okay um when Mr Turner was going through the hiring process and the district was waiting for the doj and the FBI clearances you suggested there was something wrong that he hadn't been cleared didn't you no I asked the district if that is why it was taking four months for us to get a coach and in fact you asked about it even though it had only been six days since it was submitted for clearances that's not true I asked about it in I believe April after he was hired and announced as our coach in February because no football programs had been started which was very distressful for our kids because football starts in the spring and as I said there were many seniors on that team or incoming seniors including my
095son many of which were trying to get recruited to play football in college after their senior year and the fact that football had not started and we were not getting any information about any programs and parents were asking me to follow up about the plan and when things would start I was asking questions about do we even have a head coach yet and you were asking specifically about his clearances I asked if that was a reason why he was not our coach yet and did you get a response from Dr de laor at some point yes uh let's take a look at 31 which I guess you have open there down at the bottom of the page there's a an email from starts on the on 31-2 from Linda deor to principal curbach did you
096receive this sorry you're saying 31-2 yeah it's it starts on 31-1 and it continues on to 3 31-2 um which one are we talking about it says principal curtain Bo whenever we hire an employee oh 31.1 yes I did receive this okay and and what was your understanding of this email I mean I think it speaks for itself what was your understanding of it um that he hadn't been cleared yet and that there was a backlog isn't that right well I don't know about that I know I can read it so I know what it says yes that's what correct they were saying to me yes they were saying to you that there was a backlog that it wasn't unusual for there to be um a backlog with clearances is that that's what Fair statement
097that is what principal curtain box email says yes it's actually Linda D La Tores just for the record um directed to principal curtain boach but copied to um and then you responded above on April 15th do you see that I do it says from Cassandra morning but I just want to be clear again that's you correct yeah that's my email yes okay and you say here I've done some research too and I understand it's a complete anomaly for this process to take this long what what was your purpose in researching his the the clearances by this point I was skeptical that the district was being transparent about what was happening with this coach what did you think they were keeping from you or others that he didn't actually accept the position despite being announced as
098our coach in February why would the district do that why did you think the district would do that because they had something to hide why did you think they had something to hide because of the lack of transparency and the lack of communication and the lack of uh a coach taking on the program by this time and at what point was that what April 15 well it was obviously by April 15 since I'm saying that in my email yeah I'm asking for your confirmation if you recall that recall what the date of what of when you were having these concerns and before a 15 for sure and who did you talk to about the process being an anomaly for for it taking this long when you say you did research who who did you what
099kind of research did you do I mean I researched for a living so I think I researched it on my own and then I think I I believe some parents that um are in the educational field um and I were discussing it also how long it would take and who is that uh Wendy siss she is an administrator in the alhamra school district from what I know and tell me what she told you it shouldn't take this long long how long months and what's her role in the alhamra school district I'm not sure I think she is uh I'm not sure do you know if she's an HR no I think she's like a principal or a something along the lines in a district office like a a higher up in uh well I don't
100want you to guess if you don't know no I know she's not a teacher I know she is is now I she's in the district doing something so you were chatting with folks and parents about this situation is that what your testimony is no my testimony is that multiple parents were asking me continuously what is happening with our program and the hiring of this new coach and when you spoke to these multiple parents did you tell them that the clearances were not had not gone through yet no I said I don't know what's happening I said that Jason curbach was told us told me in particular the first meeting I had with him which was within days of the prior coaches being terminated that he was going to involve a team of parents and people
101important in I'm using the word important I don't think he said important but my my conclusion was people he thought were important to have on the hiring Committee involved in the process of hiring a coach um and one of them was going to be Steve Park and then all of a sudden we had a coach and nobody had met him nobody knew anything about him um and then there were strange things happening after the announcement of this coach um including they announced it but then they took it back and then nothing was happening for months and then we got called into a meeting to ask if we could uh uh contribute money towards the salary the boosters in smcaa is that what you referred to earlier as a Shakedown yes you understand that hiring is
102a process right um sure sure right that was my point of saying Jason said it was going to be a hiring committee and have multiple people interview and whatnot but they went a different way district is a public entity that is governed by as you may know as a lawyer the Education Code labor code and is bound by those Provisions in the hiring process right well all of California law yes all of California law applicable to public school districts I don't practice Public School District law so okay take your word for it thank you um bottom line is that it it's a process and it takes some time um and you're aware that uh Mr Turner coach Turner receiv received clearance is from both the doj and the FBI correct I know that was told
103to me and who told you that uh I believe it's in this exhibit or another one or another email where when I was questioning what is happening so you heard it from the district uh Linda said he got cleared I don't know who what processes they use to clear people okay well they are cleared by the Department of Justice and the FBI I all public employees go through that process and the criminal history records you received in the packet um all predated the clearances isn't that right um I think it speaks for itself I don't know well it probably does speak for itself but I'm asking you what you know um I know that the amaris Bell lawsuit and claims were uh I want to say concurrent um because there was supposed to be a
104hearing while he was our coach and you understand as a lawyer that amrest Bell was seeking a civil restraining order correct yes so not a criminal history matter I mean I don't know what else she was I know about that one because it was public record I don't know what else she did your declaration stated that all of the documents were public record is that your understanding in exhibit two um with what is my declaration exhibit member I can see it you don't you don't have a memory independent of your did I memorize my declaration no no you just you don't know that independently of your declaration I'm sorry what was the question yeah the question was does my declaration say that so I wanted to answer your question fair enough it's uh exhibit 50
105is it 51 exhibit 51 yeah my declaration says nothing about anything being public record I'm looking at paragraph two at the meeting the parents discussed the contents of a packet of documents consisting of public rec records concerning typon football head coach Nate Turner do you see that yes is that your declaration yes and it does state public records does it not oh you can see it there so yes so yes um where did you get that packet of of materials um it was a combination of well let me back up I don't know if this exhibit to was the entire packet um that everyone saw at my at the meeting at my house but um the some of the records were provided by Pat and some I looked up my own self uh which of
106the records did you pull yourself the restraining order LW suit that amaris Bell filed in Pasadena because that was accessible on anything that had to do that was available on the Los Angeles County Superior Court website did you and Mr esamia put together a packet of materials did we put together a packet of materials yes um between what you pulled and what Mr esia provided no I wouldn't say that okay well your your declaration states that at the meetings the parents discuss the contents of a packet of documents yes so what was that P packet of documents I think you testified earlier that exhibit two is the packet of documents I believe it is so how did documents that you pulled become part of a packet of documents with Mr esa's documents I think Pat
107had also found the same lawsuits that I did so that packet his packet was what was distributed at the meeting just want to get clear on who was submitting documents he brought documents for everybody to the my house for the meeting and that was the packet of documents referenced in your declaration correct yes and you scheduled that meeting on August 27th 2023 isn't that right if if that's a Sunday yes so you said there were five other parents um it wasn't the full booster club in fact you testified that it was not booster club Affiliated is that correct six other parents six other parents in correct half of of them were not sorry everybody was a booster in that their kids played football and they joined boosters only some of them were on the booster
108board so that was the meeting was for the booster board no it was for parents like I testified earlier I that's what I understood so this is the first time I heard you say booster board so I was trying to get clear on that I'm you were asking if it was a booster meeting I'm saying all the parents I believe joined boosters because that's what we do in San Marino is We join boosters we support the program but they were not on the booster board I happened to be the president and Daisy happened to be the treasurer Devin was a status and Phil was the Freshman liaison but that was not the purpose of the meeting and the purpose of the meeting was again to discuss this information about Coach Turner and what if anything
109to do about it and and the packet that you received did you receive it from Mr Esa as a packet on that night yes and describe what that packet looked like and I don't mean the contents of it was it a envelope was it in a box was it how did you receive it in a manila envelope was it rubber banded if you recall I don't know um you're not a law enforcement officer are you no and was that the first time you had seen the materials that Mr esia brought to that meeting no when did you first see them uh as I told you I did my own research about um and discovered the restraining order lawsuit um and I maybe saw the rest of the documents if all I'm not sure if I
110saw all of them or just a portion of them I would say within a week of that meeting and when did you do your own research and find the the restraining order documents obviously sometime before that meeting um I had I had uh I don't know what I want to say witnessed um coach Turner acting strangely at our freshman parent meeting um because he thought one of the parents was trying to serve him with documents and so he was acting strangely we found out later that's why he was acting strangely um so there was already by the time I received these documents and did my own research some indication that there was some funny business going on so you've had a sense for quite a while that that there's something wrong with Mr Turner isn't
111that right from the beginning of of his time seeking clearances in the district isn't that right I'm sorry what say that one more time that you had concerns about Mr Turner before he even started with the the district when he was going you were were raising concerns about him early on no this was in August correct but I'm saying going back we've heard you your testimony today it seems that you've had concerns about him that raised before he even started with the district is that right I had no opinion of Nate Turner before I met him I was concerned that the district was hiding something about our coach because things that they had said they were going to do were not being done and they were not being transparent and people were freaking out and
112but I did not know the man so I had no opinion about him I didn't form opinions about him personally until after I met him and then he became our coach actively before you formed any opinions um would you say that you were allaying concerns or fostering concerns with the parents that were coming to you about did you say relaying concerns allaying oh laying or fostering concerns before I met him no when parents were coming to you asking about about him and about what was going on with coaching you're asking me what were my concerns no I'm asking you whether when they came to you and rumors were swirling whether it was your role as the president to did you try to elay those concerns or did you Foster those concerns I didn't either I
113said I don't know what's happening I urged the parents to reach out to the district themselves because I was getting I did not have information and it had nothing to do with Coach Turner as a person it had to do with the district and our uh delay in getting the football program up and running did Mr esamia tell you that the documents he provided had confidential documentation within him that was not discussed did you do anything yourself to evaluate the the documents that you received to determine if they were public well I knew they were because I saw some of them myself the ones that I had not seen myself uh I did not so you research research for a living you testified earlier correct yeah yes but you didn't do any research to determine
114uh whether these documents were confidential privileged documentation about Mr Turner no are you familiar with Penal Code 13304 uh maybe what is it it is a penal code section that makes it a misdemeanor for any person to receive confidential criminal information okay I not familiar with that but I believe it exists if you just said it where did Mr esamia get the records that he provided you I have no idea you didn't ask him no why not it was not important to me the only thing that was important is to know the information so you were prepared to turn records over to the district that were damaging to Mr Turner without knowing where they came from I think these records are damaging to our children so yes yes app sorry if I could finish we
115we were prepared to turn them over to the district to hopefully allow them to contemplate what is in these records and to make an informed decision about whether this individual should be uh in charge of our children not to mention on campus with young women I only have sons but I can tell you that if a lot of parents knew that I the lunch guy or whatever he did during the day on campus had not one but multiple complaints about abuse with women that they would have um they would have something to say about it I now again you're a lawyer and you know the difference between allegations and fact correct correct and that restraining order request is nothing more than allegations until it's been determined by a tri or fact isn't that correct I
116understand that the application for restraining order was based on allegations I also understand that there were more than one person making the same allegations over the course of several years which leads me to conclude that there might be a little bit more fact basis for the allegations and that's just your speculation based no it's based on my experience as a lawyer when I have clients who are accused of something by one person it's much different than if they're accused of something by five people if your clients only heard that um would you take a look at exhibit 11 please do you see what that is it's a superior court document in the Bell versus Turner matter I see it yes do you see what it says there being no appearance by or for petitioner the
117petitioner's request for restraining order is discharged yes I saw that do you see that it says all temporary restraining orders if any are dissolved I see that so there was no order on the trro that you pulled from the PT or wherever you pulled it I should ask you where you pulled it but there's no order on that I also looked after this hearing to see what happened because when Linda threatened to cancel our season and we didn't go forward with that meeting the next step that we said is let's see what happens with this hearing and I remember it being September 5th because that's my son's birthday so Linda never threatened to cancel the season you I let me finish my question please to you you never heard that did you no I did
118so you don't have any personal knowledge of that statement correct no but you can call Steve Park and he'll tell you not to step on each other's lines so I can get all sorry about that yes and we both should know better yes we should where did you get the temporary restraining order papers from the LA County Superior Court web page so you went to the docket yes and uh what else did you find everything that was filed in that case I found the attorney name and information um I'm sorry you can finish anything that was filed in that case and and your testimony as you saw the September 5th order as well did I understand that correctly uh I pull I looked on the docket after September 5th because again The Next Step was
119going to see if something got entered or not and I did see that it essentially did not go forward so your declaration states that and this is um you can look at it it's a 51 that Patrick Esa made it clear he didn't want L Esa involved did not want to involve her as his state is what you state yes involve her in what in any discussions that we were having about NE Turner did he say why he didn't want her involved no you have no idea why he wouldn't want her involved you'd have to ask him but you don't know no this is another one of those I have no personal knowledge fair enough and it's your testimony that she didn't come to your house on August 27th I don't think Le has ever
120been to my house okay would you be surprised to know that she told an investigator she received the packet at your home from some unknown white male parent uh I would have to know what she said about that it might have been at a booster party that I had after a football game I believe maybe Lea was there for a booster football party after a football game and received a packet of information from I'm not sure well I'm are you would you be surprised to hear that was stated um I have no idea what happened again no personal knowledge of what was given to her all I know is I did not give her anything so do you have um negative feelings towards the district about what um really anything it it seems that your
121testimony reflects negativity towards the district I think the district specifically Linda handled this whole Nate Turner thing very poorly I think that issues were being brought up even after not even having to deal with this to Dr Wolf as well and he ignored them I think that the proof is in the pudding so to speak because he ditched us um during the Middle of the next summer season he already took another job and then lied about it and was seemed to everybody um that he was taking advantage of two salaries so as a taxpayer I don't like that um let's go back to my question which is about your feelings towards the district you may have feelings about Nate Turner that seems apparent but in terms of the district I was answering your question the
122district handled this Nate Turner M poorly um I have other feelings about generally um some other things that have nothing to do with Nate Turner having three kids in the district and you don't have any human resources um training do you oh I do I'm an employment lawyer you're an employment lawyer do you but you don't represent public school districts is that right correct so you're not familiar with the laws governing human resources for public entities or public school districts only to the extent they overlap with um private um companies so I am extremely familiar with employment laws um in California a reg privacy sorry Personnel privacy of course um and do you know that coach Turner left because he felt there was a hostile environment here are you aware of that I know that's
123what he says and you're not aware of any complaints that have been filed with the district regarding Mr Turner correct regarding Mr Turner Turner meaning against him or by him correct which one either but against him against him um a formal complaint other than I don't know what you would call this but this was one so I'm aware of that obviously um I do not know what any other parents did formally or informally but I know that some parents were reaching out to uh I believe Dr Wolf about various complaints they had during the season I was not a party to those though so you testified that you wanted to collaborate with the group of parents that were at your home on August 27th regarding the materials in the packet is that correct yes and
124and what does collaboration mean to you it means discuss it and all have a a meeting of the mind so to speak uh a free flow uh exchange of ideas and um opinions and then make an informed decision collectively about what to do if anything and as I understood your testimony that collect decision was that you didn't want this guy serving as a mentor and Coach to our boys is that yes I believe that is how Steve Park phrased it but all these boys stayed on the team isn't that right I think a couple of them actually quit during the season but you be surprised to know that none of them quit I can tell you one Reef mon Stark I think it was his name he quit in the middle of a game and
125that was specifically because of Coach Turner in fact I passed by him when he was crying to his parents about how awful coach Turner W and I believe Sage I can't remember his last name also quit on that day same reason and there are no complaints I can well strike that now I understood your testimony at least as to your boys because you can't speak on behalf of others isn't that right no that was a terrible question you can't speak on behalf of other parents can you well it depends what you're asking me well you I can ask you what somebody said to you but in terms of what other parents think believe want don't want unless they've expressly stated that to you you don't know that correct and you can't speak on their behalf
126well I can tell you what they've told me right correct I don't you'd have to I I have no personal knowledge of what's in their head unless they told me and did you were there concerns for safety is that what I understood you to say that there was concerns over over Mr Turner that he was unsafe somehow yes but it was more important to have students stay in an unsafe position than to forego recruiting is that your testimony no my testimony is that people started doing some additional things like Phil Panini started going to every practice to oversee to make sure um other unsafe things I for example um another thing that was a tremendous concern um was that he was having I talked about the water having these long practices in August and September
127when it was 110 and 115 on the turf and not giving adquate water breakes I know I sent emails to Linda about that didn't you testify that that was PT Affiliates and not a district program it became no what I said is Linda said she couldn't handle it until we came back to school and it was PT Affiliates there's a whole email chain about this um but then once we came back in August it was the district uh problem let's say so the other thing that was happening is Nate Turner was having some of the younger players my son included um play in the JV game and then having them go to the varsity practice after because they were also going to suit up for the varsity game which made them be uh uh I
128believe it's a I think Phil looked it up it's a CIF violation because his son was also one of these people with my son um who played a three or four hour game and then went to a three or four hour practice with no break and not no food nothing so that was an issue also that was brought up to um I believe Dr Wolf um and I it did not stop the thing that stopped was they stopped playing JV they just played Varsity well you mentioned CIF and um a lot of the players got a lot of press about going to CIF isn't that true well the whole team went to CIF yes correct and in fact the esa's son got a lot of press isn't that right Nick was a very good player
129yes got a lot of press for being successful in the um on the team isn't that right uh the team did win yes except for that game that coach Turner came to two minutes before that we should have won we would hope they would win I have nothing further I have I have no no further question J any questions none oh thank you I have a question oh just a couple hi hi um number one did I know you you testified that you don't know where um Pat esia received the documents but did you know that he was in law enforcement yes did you assume that that's where they came from no I didn't make any assumptions okay um and then secondly you wanted the district to make an informed decisions using those documents well
130I thought it was something the district should consider because it was troubling to me and a lot of other parents who saw them and I would think that the district would want to know all the information then instead of sweeping it under the rug and do you feel that it was swept under the rug 100% by somebody in particular or Linda deltor when she threatened to cancel the season if we came forward Steve Park came forward with the documents and made it a thing at the meeting where she had to have an attorney present um when you were saying the district was being non-transparent early on in the hiring was that a specific person my only communication was with Linda and Jason at that point and I believe Linda included Shelly Ryan at some point
131on some correspondence but I don't know where she came in sorry I don't know where she came in on the email chain in the past um had you been involved in any other football coach hiring at St Marino High School or any other any other High School oh no okay so in my mind which you can correct me or not in your opinion um it seems like something that wouldn't involve the superintendent in the first place it seems like a Personnel issue on campus and do you know why it got elevated so I believe the first time I met Linda in person was when we had a meeting with Coach Turner and that was as the council referred to when I said a Shakedown for money um that is I think the first time I've
132ever met Linda deltor in person I had met Jason several times in connection with football um before that um so I would say that's when she got involved when it was about at your request or at his request no I didn't I didn't no Jason curtain box set up the meeting I didn't really know what I it was to meet the person who was up for the coaching position who had already been announced as our coach but hadn't really accepted it yet but the whole point of the meeting was to discuss how he could make more money as the head coach if he took the job because as we know the stien's not very much um and Linda was talking about um what I would um call the good old days when her sons were
133playing football and there was 150 kids in the program and at P during the summer if you charge each family 500 bucks you can make 40,000 bucks or whatever from Summer alone but it proved to me that she was pretty out of touch with the football program because we only had 38 kids at that point in time so at that meeting that's the first time I ever heard her you know speak uh other than when she's as superintendent and it's publicized all over San Marino um but that's the that that is the first time I met her and ever had to deal with her with the football issues and then after that Jason left and then she was the conduit I don't know what you want to call it but she expressed that we should
134escalate issues to her because also there was no principle okay and the informed decision that you testified about not being in contact with the children um what what is what do you see as what that decision would have been I mean knowing that the job is being in contact with children I'm sorry I I I don't understand your question the informed decision about for the district or for us the parents you said you wanted to show these documents to the district to make so that they could make an informed decision about not having them around the children well about is this if if this information Bears any um wait on um whether this employee around children including our young uh sons and also young women of the school um if it was something that should
135be considered um in letting him go at least considered at least considered and if they made the decision we don't care we're just going to keep going then fine um but we were instead of I guess letting all the other parents know so they can make their own decisions and you know about keeping their kids on the team or whatnot um we thought it was the best course of action to give the give Linda the benefit of the doubt that maybe some of this would be concerning maybe there'd be some sort of investigation and more information could come out um but that's not the route that she took seems like that didn't happen um I'm sorry I can hear you sorry I strike that um get back M sure sure so I guess what I
136would like to get clarity on um because we have been going back and forth between the meeting on August 27th and then um the distribution of the packet at the high school on the 29th the plan with Steve Park and your meeting was to talk to Linda first he did did talk to her he told her he set up a meeting and I think in his email which is one of the exhibits maybe 11 I'm not sure but um that he was going to distribute it to the parents on the 30th if that meeting didn't go well you were going to decide to do something like that is that um I'd have to see his email I don't even know if I got a copy of that okay so I I know that the the
137first order of business was uh because it was discussed about as parents who know this I will call it pretty damning information like if we were a parent who didn't know this would we want to know do parents have a right to know about this stuff so they can again make decisions about you know impacting that whether it impacts their kids or not um instead of just doing that we were going to go to Linda um who had said up until this point open door you know come to me with anything sort of thing so um I don't know I don't think there was a plan beyond that meeting for what was going to happen although it was discussed let's allow the district Linda to know all this information do some more investigating if that
138was the case and then possibly if nothing was done to then let the parents know that this information exists but nothing was ever done in fact I think the majority of the parents in the football program never knew anything about any of Coach Turner's background and your reason for not having all of the parents at that meeting to discuss the information was what uh it was new information that I wanted to just discuss with those people that were at my house um who I knew personally and well and I trusted their opinions and they um I knew they would be they would they would take it and we could have a discussion about it and figure out what to do I didn't at that point I didn't see the need to disseminate this packet of
139materials to all the parents so if was the district given a chance to um investigate have some time before it was taken further I mean what was your idea of a time frame of that well it was supposed to be at the meeting that Steve was going to with Linda and he gave her the packet beforehand and then in response she said if you're going to move forward with this I'm going to have to cancel the season so it sounds like we should talk to her or him about firsthand from that but yes but it didn't exactly go to plan with so the meeting never happened with Steve so um because um she threatened to cancel the season okay all right thank you that's all anything further this one miss nothing F no you're on
140thank you spelling for you mentioned aini No reef oh Reef for it's like a I think that's okay thanks that's the best Sage Sage okay I don't know how many yeah can we can we please take a five minute break sure sure five minute break yes Joseph long W correct would you raise your right hand swth nothing but the truth go yes sir thank you no problem State your full name for the record please uh Joseph C Wong Joseph thanks for coming today uh my name is Guy Glazer we just met out in the hallway for the first time but I understand uh that you have some testimony that you'd like to give about miss Lea esamia how do you well let me ask you this first are you a student at San Marino High
141School uh not anymore I graduated for the class of 202 three so okay about two years ago correct how do you know Miss esam um I know her as the nurse um I reference her as Mama nurse I've known her for about four and a half five years and she was my comfort um at school give a little more detail to that how did she serve as a comfort to you at school um I usually would go in there on my um on our snack and our lunch break and visit with her and talk to her um I come from a family of two dad dad's so she was really like a motherly figure for me so I could always talk to her about anything um related to girls or just anything that I needed
142to get off my chest that I couldn't tell uh my my family did Miss esamia actually give you good advice about girls absolutely um would you say that Miss esamia made your school years a more positive experience for you absolutely it was a highlight of my day to go into her office would you uh what do you think about Miss esam's commitment to and passion for the missions of San Marino Unified School District and the success of its students um she's completely dedicated um hardworking every single day to make sure that every student has a good experience on campus would you say that San Marino High School was a better place because of M esam absolutely like I said she was my comfort um when I was there great thank you I have no other
143questions good afternoon I just have a a quick question do you know what this hearing is about uh um yes and no um what do you know about it I know it involved one of our previous staff members okay no further questions anything further thank you for coming in thank you what was your little name uh s s a l ye r y e r yes ma'am thank you e j a c l i n last name is l l i o you raise your right hand to be sworn swear to tell the truth all truth and nothing but the truth help you God I do thank you state your full name for the record please my name is Jacqueline last name is Lao l i a oh are you a u San Marino High
144School parent yes do do you have children currently in the high school do I have children where do you have children currently in the high school no um your your son JT or Justin Le out JT Leo he he went to the high school right yes he went through Carver HMS and high school okay um and where is he now he's at nor Eastern North Eastern University yes great um you know miss Lea esamia correct Lea yes and I I understand that you have prepared a statement that you'd like to read yes I do go ahead please okay please read it slowly okay um dear members of the board my name is Jacqueline Lao and I am the mother of Justin laau most people know him as JT I'm here today to speak on behalf
145of Health a l eskia whose Presence at samuna high school gave me the reassurance and peace of mind that every parent hopes for for the seven years JT attended Huntington middle school and San Marino High School L esa's presence significantly eased my worries as a parent as a single mother a single parent sending my child off to school each day came with a certain worry however latest Dependable presence provided reassurance comfort and a sense of security that I deeply valued knowing that L was there consistently present and fully attentive gave me the confidence that JT along with all other students as someone genuinely looking out for their well-being and her ability to handle every situation with the best balance of professionalism and Care reassured me that my son along with every other student was Inc
146capable hands her reliability and consistent care meant the world to me and is a shared sentiment across many families laa was always present always dependable and I knew I could count on her there wasn't one instance where a situation was mishandled or where her care was anything less than exceptional she treated every case no matter how big or small with the same level of dedication and compassion as if the students were her own Lea's care always went beyond merely administering medical attention she showed a genuine concern for each student's emotional health and compassion whether JT encounter nausea in the middle school at HMS or if he had a sports injury at the high school Lea immediately took care of the situation calmly updating me throughout the process demonstrating not only medical competence but genuine empathy
147and awareness her handling of situations was never transactional it was always authentic and efficient many families share my deep appreciation for latest consistency and thoroughness there was never a moment when her care fell short nor any instance of negligence or oversight her reliability is exceptional and her Integrity is unquestionable this nurturing and warm environment wasn't something she offered to just one or two students it was something she extended to every child that entered her office later ensure that parents like myself could rest easy knowing that our children has someone looking out for them and this wasn't just a one-time occurrence This was later every single day always delivering care that was thorough thoughtful and exceptional this kind of dedication is very rare and it is precisely what all of our schools and our school dist
148District need more of and not less Lea's consistent dedication didn't just comfort me and comforted countless families who felt assured knowing that she was there each day her care wasn't just the best available it was the kind of care our school district deeply needs but too rarely sees losing Lea wouldn't just be losing at health aid it would mean losing someone who defines what true excellence in care looks like L's presence has modeled to those students what it means to conduct your work with passion integrity and genuine empathy each and every day losing her wouldn't simply mean losing a dedicated professional it would be a profound diss service to our students our families and our entire Community thank you thank you I have no further questions thank you any questions just one do you know
149what this hearing is about yes what is it about uh what is it about it's about how you guys described it on the on your agenda on the School Board District website about L being accused of how she obtained her information thank you that's all I have for you anything further this Swit us thank you thank you thank you for reading so beautifully oh you're welcome thank you she's taking everything down I assume that that's amazing first one to follow her instructions to oh I'm a mom we're a little bit ahead of schedule now so let me just make sure I got you miss [Music] done e sorry your full name James Wallace l l a c e not b o b l o e o i p n o TT would you raise your
150hand to be sworn please you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth help you that I do thank you state your full name for the record please James Wallace boyut Mr boyau how do you do good afternoon my name is guy glasure I represent M Lea esia uh your son Joseph Wong just testified uh I'd like to ask you how do you know Lea esame uh just through my son uh what my son has told me about her and the experience uh when my son was slapped by one of the teachers here at the school and tell us a little bit about that situation and how hand um my son was in Middle School and uh the head of the music department um I forget his name uh he
151slapped my son and another child across the face in class and um my son didn't report it to me um he went to school the next day and and I think he told um nurse I know that's what Joseph had a a name for her uh nurse mama or Mama nurse or something and um so since she reported to the principal and the principal called me and explained what had happened and um I mean we were we were ridiculed we were called liars and all kinds of all kinds of ridiculous things um happened with my son uh but the one person that my son felt that he could talk to and that he trusted in this whole situation was mama a nurse because um he he felt like the um pretty much the school now
152not uh Linda delator she was very she was very helpful and very much um um stayed in contact with me but as far as the students at the school uh as far as some of the uh faculty at the school um I actually pulled my son out for several days because um he felt threatened and you saw my son he's a big boy um but the one person uh that my son felt that he could talk to and um and help him deal through all of this was uh was um L is it Lydia because I don't I don't even know her to be honest with you um I I think we've only ever spoke high at football games uh other than that but um I know that when um we we came in for
153a meeting with uh the principal um he asked my son is there anyone that you um would like to have present teacher- wise that would make you that would make you feel good or make you feel more comfortable and she was the one that my son asked to be there at that time and um she was the one that reported the incident and um although this was a very popular teacher here School in fact he uh he's still here and um he's also I think been promoted um he's the music director uh I don't know what his name is don't care what his name is but um she was the one that um really stood up for my son and made my son feel safe and comfortable in an environment that was um that could
154have become very very volatile here at the school thank you sir I have no further questions I have no question questions uh I'm hard of hearing so you'll need oh I have no questions for you thank you and you are I'm the attorney representing the district okay thank you I have a quick question Who who was the um principal at the time um um n she was she was nice too uh what was her name um oh shoot um my my memory is not as good as it used to be I've had some health issues but um um I can see her face um she was at she was the assistant principal at the at uh Valentine and then she moved over here as uh to the middle school as principal for a maybe was
155it for a Alana yeah yes that was her Alana for for yeah f a r e Jameson Mr Jameson is the uh mus director that slapped my son and another child across the face and uh he like I said he's uh still and he's still and uh employed by the school and um one of the things that my son had asked for we were told that we were going to press charges we never we never said we were going to press charges against anybody at the school uh we did not press charges the one thing that we asked for my son asked for an apology from him and which he uh to this day has never received from him but again what made my son want to come back to school and feel safe was
156um mama and nurse did a question you want to ask me no I have no questions for you thank you anything further thank you thank you sir thank you sir hour We're way ahead of schedule so I may need a half hour but let me see if I got it with e we could take about a 30 minute break I have three more witnesses all scheduled for 3:30 p.m and I can R I can run through those Witnesses about as quickly as I've done so far that's person tried to get in is there somebody maybe I got one Che it out minutes you have nothing more to fill in now um uh you know what let me introduce my last exhibit because it is uh JT LA's uh reference letter and his mom just testified
157so this is a good time for that so this will be exhibit 55 that's a different do you want do you want to copy of that one no no you got that one yeah uh I might be able to use well wanted to respond to your question about the social security number yesterday but I'll need Dr deor to enter the exibit so we'll have to wait apologies no problem thank you is it Dr thory available are we on the record oh uh Yes actually okay because I didn't hear what you said oh is is the doctor directory available right now for the winess I believe she is my concern is that I don't know what other Witnesses you have um and i' I'd like to be able to question her regarding all of their Witnesses
158she going to be just friends and you know testify her good behaviors maybe that we can right I've got one teacher one student one parent and I expect that they will be as quick as the witnesses that we've just seen so probably a grand total of you know 20 15 to 20 minutes okay so it's going to be similar to what we seeing right so that mean I think Dr deror can be here then it's not going to be conflict I think okay so just to be clear they're character Witnesses correct okay um if that's the pleasure of the board I will um take her now and we can move forward yes please if available yeah so the next Witness you have is in about 10 minutes 25 I think well oh in in about
15925 minutes but yeah the three Witnesses together will probably take 15 to 20 minutes total once they get here okay and then then that's it right or you have more oh I got a whole another day you didn't know that I would like you know the no that's it I'm the one you know the because I I I in charge of multiple organization time management is a very important for me so this today I'm not satisfied about the the time management issue know yes I hope you you make sure the story is coming yeah I I don't want the lat said need to extend another hour yeah right I willj the meeting yeah if they not come in time I hope you understand after this meeting I still have a lot of thing I have
160to call for the patient you know the they get a cancer I have to arrange for the impatient yeah so kind it's very essential for me yes very much appreciated sir thank you we move do she need to be sworn again or am I still good you're still under Ro okay good okay thank you see we can maybe I'll hand this to you uh Dr deor what is that document hang on can I get a copy yes of course she's gonna be passing this is a high school map of San Marino High School and does that show where the field office is hold on one second I know it's sorry I don't I didn't bring my glasses in here I apologize is this interus 56 this I'll ask to be under this 56 um yes
161I believe so M okay and does it also show the main office yes and those are they have a a marking on them each of those correct correct okay so the field house has a circle around it and the main office has a a square or a sorry an X okay thank you g ask that this be admitted as uh exhibit 56 obje um only to the extent that this doesn't appear to reserve uh to to serve as rebuttal to any well I'll I'll admit it reput reut thank you uh Dr deori you testified yesterday you received a packet of materials from Mr Park is that correct yes and what your understanding regarding where that packet came from is what uh from a party that was or a gather in that was held at uh
162Cassie zapino mornings home okay and in review you looked at those documents isn't that right yes and in those documents was a um an incident report yes from the sheriff's department okay one to this will be marked as 57 and do you see on that doc well let's wait till everybody has a copy including me do you see where on this document there is a social security number referenced yes and what is the title of the document that includes the social security number Los Angeles County Jail booking and property record thank you and unfortunately this is not b stamp so I can't give you this the pinpoint page but it looks like it is can you repeat one more time what page is it five page seven I'll move that that be um entered as
163exhibit 57 it's not right that's a citation yeah is it admitted as 57 please any objection no you're on right received thank you can can you point me one more time they couldn't find it page seven yeah to is it page seven is a Los Angeles County Jail booking record correct yeah and if you look um about halfway down the page the the handwritten there's a handwritten social security number then it says None seen then it says Kinesiology instructure so this one was original pocket correct okay was I in the pock okay I got it um Dr dor when Steve Park came to with the packet of materials uh did you tell him you would have that if they moved forward with this that you would have to cancel the football season no you didn't
164threaten to cancel the football season based on the packet of materials you received no never uh there was testimony today that Jeremy cisos is not the boyfriend or was not the boyfriend of uh Cassandra zapino and and did you have reason to believe that he was in fact her boyfriend yes and what was that principal Jason curbach um verified that um told me that she was upset about not being allowed to serve on the interview panel because she was campaigning for a candidate and that candidate was her ex booy Jeremy SOS um I verified that as a matter of fact just to make sure that my recollection was correct um and he reaffirmed that that he knew that they had quote unquote uh been hooked up been hooked up okay um did you suggest to
165in a meeting of various people involved with uh the booster club that Miss zapino had slept with anyone no former Co Coes no um let's talk about the summer football program M now yesterday I think you testified that Stephanie Duncan runs that program yes and that's the um PT Affiliates program yes okay and um how there was testimony today that that there was a lack of food and water for boys both in the district's program and the PT Affiliates program do you agree with that testimony there was a question about uh the Water Supply because the water that was um running out of the Fieldhouse um when you turned on the faucet it was coming out um initially as orange in color so we hired a professional uh to come out and test the water
166to see if the water was in fact safe we did that the water was safe um but we still I still um asked that bottled water be delivered to uh the football team um although the principle was adamant that that should have been something that the boosters were providing for the the kids so you didn't ignore any needs of the football players absolutely not I would not want our football players to be without water my sons both played football at San Marino High School and I am very much a qu of the football program excellent um what is the purpose of the booster club to raise money for the program uh are there limitations on what that money can be expended for there are um they have bylaws um the booster club is um under
167the umbrella of Titan athletic boosters which is another separate 501c3 um and they have bylaws so so uh that basically outlines what can and cannot be um expended with money that is raised by the students uh have you ever asked the boosters to contribute to or did you ever ask the boosters to contribute to Nate Turner's salary no never no so there was not a Shakedown of the district or of the booster club to pay absolutely not that would be improper I don't have anything further for you oh okay thank you Dr Dori I I see that on the map you circled the the girls oh you may not have circled it but I did not personally yeah the exhibit shows the girls Fieldhouse circled um I'm so sorry I don't have my glasses with
168me today um the field house is the northeast corner of the T of the yeah the Fieldhouse is in between the football field and the baseball field on the um the west side right and and I think that does say boy's Fieldhouse and I'm your eyes are better than mine we're was the intent here to circle the boy's Fieldhouse or the girls Fieldhouse I'm just curious the boy Fieldhouse and yet it is the girls Fieldhouse that is circled on this yes and I was just wondering why I don't know I didn't do it okay no clue I can tell you it was an error because the print so small it's very difficult to read so the intent was to circle the boys the boys field house I believe so yes yeah um looking at exhibit
169the last one 157 the uh the uh incident report yes and then page seven where the social security number appears the the the whole form is printed other than a couple of signatures except for this social security number which is handwritten in do you see that yes there's also handwriting where it says vehicle license number none where it says um uh nick name none where it says time and again I'm so sorry my I need my glasses time uh booked maybe bkd uh 1805 so there other handwriting and it appears to be the same handwriting consistent with whomever wrote the social security number on the form the station clerk is in penmanship as well as the signatures and then whatever here is in the far rightand Corner um the sheriff's department would probably be better
170able to answer this than me this is how I received the form um flip to page two D it's exhibit two in binder one okay again 2- 1110 we're going to go to page 2- 1110 thank you so this is the copy of the packet that you testified yesterday was the one that was presented to you and here we have the same handwriting as appears on the new exhibit 57 in the vehicle license number block and in the AKA nickname block and in the time I believe it's booked bkd oh did I not let you get to the page no I are are you just wanting me to focus on Exhibit 2 page 10 110 2 110 I'm sorry yeah we can start over Exhibit 2 page 110 2 10 sorry that's right no it's
171I rushy yes so do you see there that the uh the handwriting is in there for blocks vehicle license number and AKA nickname and also time booked at 1805 and that handwriting matches the handwriting on exhibit 57 right um ch well this appears to be larger on the copy that I received than this copy um this is a smaller print copy of this so I don't know this is my original that I received from Mr Park photocopied and scan and sent to council so I assume this copy came from Council so yester yes yesterday yesterday your testimony was that that exhibit two was the packet that you received from Mr park it yesterday um to see if the documents were in here but I did not go through the the what prompted me to look
172specifically through my files was um board member uh su's question specifically about the social security number because I had remembered Council telling me um that there was the social security number in the documents that were distributed I don't want you to testify about what your Council has told you you definitely doing that so I went back and looked at my copy and pulled this copy which has it and whose handwriting is it I don't know who wrote in this social security maybe somebody from the sheriff's department I don't know and and you don't have any basis to know that it was written in by somebody from the sheriff's department do you um well that I don't know unless it was somebody at the party because I got this packet from Dr Park that he got
173from the the Gathering at Cassie zapino home so I don't know who wrote that in there but probably whoever wrote the nun nun and the 1805 it looks like the same writing to me do you have training in the handwriting analysis I used to work for a bank and I did uh have training in handwriting analysis um because I needed to verify that signatures on checks were valid um so yes you do have experience with I have some experience with that yes have you ever qualified as an expert in handwriting no so I mean it could be but it might not be uh the same the same you gota you gota let me finish my question and and that's just for the court reporter she's gonna get very angry at us cut each other off
174um so it could be the same person but it might not be to me in my experience it looks like the same writing and I would um be comfortable asking a handwriting Specialist or expert to verify that do do you think that the uh see that the number in the under the time booked block it says 1 1805 and then down on the social security number obviously starts with the number five is that a comparison you're making do you think those two fives look alike the slant on the bottom of the five looks very very similar yes the slash on the top looks incredibly different doesn't it this I'm looking at the slant um if you look at the five in time booked there's a long vertical line down below the the sort of crossbar
175at the top but if you turn them upside down which is what we're trying to do um to verify signatures it doesn't look that different in terms of the slant right but let's look at that that vertical line on the five you see the vertical there's only one vertical line on the five in the time booked block right and then let's look down under the social security number do you see any vertical line at all on that five a very small one yes I do um and again we don't know who wrote who who wrote any of this stuff in but particularly with the social security number we don't have any idea who wrote that in and we don't have any idea when anybody wrote that in is that right um it came to me
176this way um because it was one of the conversations that I initially had as I mentioned earlier and and my question is we don't know who wrote this in or when it was written in right no but I don't have social security numbers in my office um the only people in our school district that would have social security numbers would be payroll and and again payroll did not have access to this packet so I know whoever wrote this in um was not a district employee and I and I'm not asking who didn't didn't write it in I'm asking who did write it in I know I'm assuming the sheriff whoever wrote this and you're assuming that you don't you don't have any idea WR correct I'm assuming that and you don't know when it was
177when it was written in do you I don't but I I think what's more important to the district is that it was distributed um to people with the number which is private and we actually don't know that it was distributed to anybody other than what you received right because everybody who's testing ified at this hearing has testified that exhibit two is the packet you're the only one let me finish let me finish everybody who's testified has said exhibit two is the packet you're the only one who has come forward with a new document with a handwritten in Social Security number so my question Dr deor is that you don't know that exhibit 57 was ever given to anybody other than to you correct incorrect explain how would you how do you think how do you
178know how do you know let me finish please let me finish my question of course how how do you know that exhibit 57 went to anybody other than you is it my turn it is now your turn thank you so much I know because the packets that Mrs esia passed out that I collected have the same copy with the social security number and that is how I know emphatically that this p packet with this social security number was in fact distributed to at least three other people a moment ago you said this was the exhibit that you received from Dr Park correct okay I received mine from Dr Park Dr Wolf was given a packet by Lea Esa right Dr RoR was given a packet by L esamia and uh Dr I mean not dror
179but Mr Chang was given a packet so when we opened those packets in my office same thing um and then yesterday you testified again that Exhibit 2 was actually that packet so there is an inconsistency between what you're saying yesterday versus what you're saying today so yesterday I did not go it would have taken me a considerably long time um to go line by line um it looked similar to the documents I think I was asked I'd have to go back to the transcrip but I think I was asked um if this was the packet that was distributed I wasn't asked if this was exactly the same documents that were distributed and again the only reason that I went back to review that was because of uh board member Sun's question specifically about the social
180security number which I had recalled being part of what the district was told um was privileged confidential information that should never have been distributed to members of the um the school district or members of the public but again we don't know we have no idea who wrote this who handw wrote this social security number again I go back to my earlier comment which is I assume it was someone from uh the sheriff's department which I'm sure could be researched nothing thank you Dr teror wait I've got a questions and then I'll turn thank you so much um Council referred to this document exhibit 57 as a new document this isn't in fact a new document is it it is not in fact you received this document on on about August 28th is that correct from
181Mr Park is it Dr Park Dr Park drk correct and on um page seven where there's various handwriting there's also a signature is there not yes where it says prisoner signature when booked do you recognize that or can you read that I can read it yeah what does that say uh that might be Nate's signature I would have to look back and he would know his social security number you think yes okay thank you um yeah Dr dor the when I look at the driver license number not the the the social security number up right that's not handwritten right correct correct just that's correct yeah and the my second question is the the I heard from the different testimony Cass see that the she got threatened by canceling the football season it was going to
182be that's the reason why the Dr Steve Park was stopped communicating with you do you know anything about no I never would have threatened to cancel the football season I'm not even sure where that's coming from um Dr Park and I did talk about um the fact that um you know he was feeling the coach that he was being pushed out by a group of parents who um had decided before he even stepped foot on campus that they wanted to get rid of him that was what we were hearing and I said you know we're now we're underway with the season um you know how are we going to continue and Dr Park said I'm willing to step up and uh coach if you need me to and I appreciated that very much and I
183said thank you so much he offered um that was the only conversation that we ever had about the season um because I was concerned that coach Turner was going to leave um on his own valtion because of the way he was being treated um very poorly and it was it was difficult for him to have to go out there every day knowing that he was being you know talked about and disparaged um they were complaining at one point that he was praying with the kids after practice which we researched through Council and there was a recent lawsuit that makes that actually legal um so just anything and everything that could be brought up or complained about was in fact brought up and complained about so that that's the only thing that I can think of
184thank you so much um may I ask a question please um is it typical practice to redact personal confidential information from exhibits do you know I I don't know um so uh fura um requires that we do that for all student information um when we are dealing with Personnel um there's a lot of records that we would be redacting personal and confidential information in any type of legal proceeding there is a reference in the notice to redaction in the the notice of intent that I will have to find but I will be able to so so now that you say that you know now that I'm sorry now that you say I'm sorry again I don't have my glasses I keep apologizing for this but now that you read um that this is the signature
185of the person booked he probably was told to write it in this might be his writing this might be something that Nate wrote at the time um that he signed this form I don't know just a thought if I can um have you look at exhibit 18-4 yes um about halfway through after there's a list of what the documents are that are contained in the packet there's a a paragraph that starts before paragraph 8 do you see that yes I do um what does that say a copy of the packet is available in redacted form during the proceedings upon request but will not be reproduced herein in order to prevent republication of privileged SL confidential information so there was a redacted version of the document ments um and I can say that we submitted under
186seal to avoid the redution but there's a that's where that comes from um very briefly going back to exhibit 2-10 I just want to make sure you you see that oh I'll let you get there sorry okay 2-10 um shows that there is that signature which again I think you're saying is probably Nate or Nathaniel Turner and I think I probably agree with you uh but this one does not have a a social security number indicated on it in any fashion at all I thought she just said that it was redacted for the purposes of putting it in this finder I thought she just explained that but I could be wrong right you could be wrong I could be yeah yeah but I just want to point out that there is a signature on this
187one but no social security number but yeah I think they redacted this packet personally identifiable right did I misunderstand that no you did not misunderstand okay thank you and uh if you look at that same page up at the top where it shows the driver's license number oh that's missing too is also redacted right so I believe this is a redacted version of the form that I received that makes sense thank you nothing further mystery solved nothing further thank you anything further of this witness at this time thank you okay thank you this is right this is correct Charlie I'll check over e can I your name please uh sure please raise your right hand to be sworn swar to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth help you got I
188do thank you state your full name for the record please Kelly Keo they'll have to speak up into the microphone Kelly keto thank you Miss keto my name is Guy Glazer we just met uh just a few seconds ago out in the lobby is that right that is yes that is correct and um you immediately said that you thought this might be a slightly less formal proceeding and you wanted to say something about your attire uh yes that is that is correct good you just came from work right yeah yes that is correct and where do you work um I work at Huntington Middle School I am the seventh and eighth grade PE teacher and did you just come from PE yes I did gotcha um do you know miss Lea esima yes I do
189how do you know her uh Lea was first we first met each other as she was our health aid at Huntington Middle School a few years back as well as she became my assistant cheer coach at Huntington Middle School Huntington middle school so did she while she worked at the high school uh she would come down to Huntington Middle School to act as the assistant cheer coach yes that is correct Goa and what were your general observations of Miss ESO um she was very devoted to our student especially our cheer girls uh she went up and Beyond to assist them to get them things that if they needed to do for example um cheer uniforms if we're doing a presentation she would create uh create them and make them for us when we would do
190uh like a clinic we would do the summer clinic and she would go out Beyond and then provide even though we would argue about but she would get them Donuts even though I didn't think they were necessary but she went ahead and she said Kelly I got this and so she would go up and Beyond more than what I would do for our Squad would you say that uh Miss esamia has made your School Huntington Middle School a uh a more positive experience for the students yes I would do you um do you what do you think generally about Miz esam's commitment to the health and safety of the school students that she interacted with um at the time when she was our health aid she what she was very organized in our health aid
191area when we came to field trips and whatnot she knew and the students medications because we would say if the eighth grade trip was going to Pali she would organize the containers for each bus with the kids with their medications uh so we knew which students to be on alert for in case there was an allergy or if they were asthmatic she would provide all that information for us before we would go on the trip she would let the bus people know because she would always let me know when I was on a bus here's your kit here are the kids just kind of be aware of those students um as far as when we do our when we would do sporting events even though the cheer squad was there she would be out there
192with us as well so she would do double duty be the health clerk at the time or that cheer adviser so always on the lookout in case there was an injury or being aware the students needs during those events did you have any observations of missia when she worked at the high school uh no you just you were just at the midle just at Huntington okay would you say that uh Huntington Middle School was a better place because of mesia I always think Huntington Middle School is a better place for everybody who's there at Huntington Middle School do you think it was a better place because of Miss esence yes when she was with us I feel like it was a better place great um nothing further thank you I just have a a quick
193question for you she was your assistant cheer coach is that correct and and that's a paid position correct that is correct thank you anything further of this withness thank you for coming thanks so much sure I got your back your honor I had two last Witnesses uh scheduled to be here at 3:30 it's now 3 344 uh can I have six minutes sure see if they get here in the next six minutes and then Mr Mr chain will definitely move me on than may we pause then may maybe we pause for five 10 minute break thank yeah your your honor it appears at my last are we ready to go is M lamb on it it appears that my last two witnesses are not uh not going to make it in time so uh I'm
194ready to proceed to uh final argument okay we're going to request that U final argument be by written brief and uh I'm sorry I didn't hear all that yes we're requesting that the um final argument be by written brief and we'd oppose that request your honor there's there's nothing in the uh the article 16 that that uh authorizes written briefs as final argument now is the opportunity that Miss abam has to make her argument the board and I certainly want to be heard as well the I just respond to that that the collective bargaining agreement is silent on it it doesn't say it has to be oral doesn't say it has to be written it is common practice to do a written brief to be able to site to the record and we'd like to
195have our closing in um in a written brief and it's up to the board to decide how you receive the closing well there's one issue with that I'm I'm leaving town um uh late Monday and uh going to be gone for three weeks so I don't know how soon you would well the board will be deliberating on this and they'll have the benef I mean it would be it's up to the board to decide how much time to give the parties for a written closing um and then they can schedule deliberations again your your honor it is not common practice to do closing arguments by writing we need to be heard now and this is Miss evans's opportunity to be heard and it's my opportunity to be heard in some Mission do we we don't
196need written briefs do we well we can ass we'd like to uh I mean we need to decide in caucus I feel like I would ask that the board go into your you have the ability to break for close session and make that decision as a board I'd like to disc I'd like to discuss it e all right we discussed U written or oral briefs and U the uh board wants written briefs and how how soon could you have those 10 days what 10 days and days I'm thinking well I think it um we we're going to have to ask the court reporter uh first how long it's going to take to to get a final transcript because it may be a week before that happens this coming Monday oh okay um in that case
197how about if we go 10 days from Monday so that we have 10 days once we have the transcript 10 days from Monday let's see Monday's the 24th okay that'd be the third of April and I'm going to suggest that uh both parties turn in closing briefs on April 3rd and that's it there are no responsive briefs there are no reply briefs it's just a closing brief from each side correct okay and you'll both submit briefs uh at the same time there's no back and forth on that right correct it's not a a briefing schedule it's just a closing brief yeah okay the briefs will be due on the 3 and uh I and it's my understanding that there will no long there will be no more Open Session um the briefs will be submitted
198via um email mail I don't what we'll get them we'll get them we'll get them to us but it'll just be in writing and we won't reconvene is that correct yeah you'll only reconvening closed session to deliberate cor right um right and I and then there would be an open session announcement once you have a decision okay I don't think we need another Open Session Open Session I believe of a regular schedule board meeting is what oh she's yeah not today no I'm not saying today um time of day when these briefs are due on April 3 I didn't hear you the time of day when these briefs will be due on April 3rd they'll be due on April 3D yes at what time 500 PM is with us thank you okay and what what's
199best should they we'll bring them here to the board we'll ensure that it's delivered to the to to the district office here by 5 o'clock on April 3 and attention to me should we do um hard copy delivery here to the district that's probably best right that's perfect okay yes and we'll make sure there are sufficient copy and it will be to the attention of board president CH uh just for your information you know the uh the School District spring break is from April 7 to April 11 well the office is open on yeah yeah I mean the I don't know let you know that see for yeah well resp there's a lot to it time management okay um so um and there there will be no need for the attorneys to come back you're
200just submitting your briefs yes so correct we'd love to see you back you really don't want to see us anymore okay so uh we're adjourned at this time unless there's anything further nothing further I'd just like to thank the board again for your your time that's two solid days and and we really appreciate it thank you thank you offic thank you