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Special Board Meeting - August 19, 2025

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YouTube / ElkGroveUnified
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2025-08-26
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Sacramento County, CA
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60,384 words · about 336 min
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2026-06-20

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001Good morning and welcome to the Elkrove  Unified School District board meeting. Uh,   I'd like to call this meeting to order at 9:01  a.m. Live streaming of full in-person board   meetings is available to the public by using the  link located on the district's website. Today's   meeting is being v video recorded and will be  available on the district's YouTube channel. Some   information about public comment. During special  board meetings, the public may make public comment   on items that are on the agenda. Individuals with  comments on general school district issues may   address those at the next regularly scheduled  board meeting. For purposes of this special   meeting, requests for public comment will be  accepted regarding the superintendent search   firm up until the the search firm candidate  present. N Oh N Oh N Oh N Oh N Oh N Oh N

002Oh   N Oh N Oh N Oh Nope. No no these are that is old  instruction. Generally members of the public will   be given three minutes to address the board. If  there are 15 or more comments on a specific item,   the board will reduce individual comment time to 2  minutes each. If there are 30 or more comments on   a specific item, the board will reduce individual  comments to one minute each. Individuals may not   defer their time to another individual speaker  to increase their total speaking time. Please be   mindful that district students may be watching.  You are encouraged to address the board and the   public in a respectful manner such that all those  observing from children to adults are made to feel   welcome, safe, and valued. The board shall not  permit any disturbance or willful interruption   of

003board meetings. Persistent disruption by  an individual or group shall be grounds for   the board president to provide a warning and  then to terminate the individual's privilege   of addressing the board. All right. Next  up, our land acknowledgement. Miss Albiani. We acknowledge that the Elkrove Unified  School District administrative facilities   and schools occupy the unsucceeded territory of  the Miwok, the original people of the skies, land,   and waters where we work and learn. The Miwok have  cared for these lands since time immemorial. They   continue to teach their traditional knowledge  that comes from and responds to the needs of the   land and the people who share it. May our daily  lives and work, teaching, learning, leadership,   and community engagement support the evolving  vision of the Miwok for the community and these   lands. May we strive to acknowledge the past  for

004the betterment of our future generations.   May we look to our tribal partners, the  Wilton Rancheria, the descendants of the   original people of this land to assist with the  successful education of our community. Thank you   very much. And Miss Ballerini, would you lead  us in the pledge? All right, please stand. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United  States of America and to the republic   for which it stands, one nation under God,  indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. All right, Mr.  Superintendent, would you give us an   overview of the day? Uh, for sure. Thank you  very much. Uh so um really important day and   um appreciate I'll say thank you to the board um  for committing to the the long term. We will uh   we will take care of you

005today but it's going  to be um it's going to be a long one but a lot   of um important topics uh today. We'll start  off with our uh our twice a year uh reducing   exclusionary discipline uh presentation. Uh great  work continues. Um still have uh plenty of work to   do. uh but the team will uh share not only the  data but also the the actual day-to-day work   um that we're doing uh to to address the issue.  So we we appreciate everybody's time on that.   Uh the uh managing growth uh presentation could  be a three-day long presentation. Um and we are   uh our goal is to keep it within 90 minutes  today. It's a um it will not be uh we will not   get every everything covered today, but really  a great opportunity for the new

006board as as you   come together uh to really understand the tools  that we have um at our disposal in addressing   growth. Um unlike many districts in the state  who are dealing with declining enrollment and   which brings a whole bunch of challenges along  with it. Um growth is not easy either and so   there's a there's a lot of work that goes along  with that. So a great opportunity to understand   um the board's role in this process and we'll also  highlight a few of the major projects that will be   coming forward soon and you know over the next  u 12 to 24 months there will be um a number of   projects um and decisions brought to the board you  know as we work uh work through this process. So   u I know it's exciting and it's really

007interesting  but a lot to do today. So the 90m minute window   is our is our goal. Um consent agenda is  uh pretty straightforward. Uh this is the   other other opportunity. I'm really excited to  have Mike Merchant from the Arbinger Institute   join us for a board u development um session. Um  really working on the idea of the outward mindset   as we enter into the work we have ahead of us.  And there will also be um at the end of that   session an opportunity to discuss uh potential  edits and updates to the governance handbook as   uh one of the things we'll do is we'll actually  put the new board's name on it since your your   names will be on it since it this will actually  be yours now um instead of working from the   previous um handbook.

008So good opportunity  there. And then we'll wrap up the day with   uh not my favorite topic but topic we got to work  work our way through and that's the uh the search   for uh for the new superintendent. So we'll  have the uh uh the search firm will be here   uh to walk us through uh that process. So again  I appreciate uh the commitment of the board to be   here for the long haul today um and look forward  to a productive day. Thanks. Thank you very   much. Then let's start with our uh reducing  exclusionary discipline. Thank Mr. Seruti. Vargas, members of the board, Superintendent  Hoffman and my good friend, Ms. Avalos. Um,   I just want to take a moment and set  up um the presentation. There'll be   a number of people that will be  coming uh

009up here this morning,   and I'll be turning it over in just  a second to my colleague, Miss Ay.   But as Superintendent Hoffman referenced  in alignment with uh board policy 5144.31 which is entitled roles and responsibilities of  school administrators and law enforcement. We   do these presentations twice a year. This is the  uh summitative uh report from last year and then   we'll be back in late January, early February  with a midyear report. Um just a couple of of   uh of points to set the stage. First of all,  and you'll see this um Miss Ay will cover this   in just a second, so don't mean to steal  her thunder. Um but it's important for as   a board for you to realize, and I believe you  do, um but also the community that discipline,   uh we view discipline as

010an opportunity, as  an educational opportunity. We don't view   it as a punitive consequence to behavior. And  it it may sound like semantics, but it's very   very different. We're here to educate. And when  students related to student behavior is at times   as abhorrent as potentially that behavior is, our  attempts to educate never stop and we view it as   such. Um the removal of a student from a classroom  and from a school is as serious as it can get. The   most important thing for all of our kids, and we  say it over and over again, is we want every one   of our kids in our classrooms every single day. I  used to tell um as I had been teaching for a while   and was an administrator for a principal for about  19 years and after a few

011years and gaining a bit   of experience at the beginning of each school  year when I was meeting with the staff I would   tell them and say and it I tell you when it I've  only been to one high school high school reunion   of my own. And it was a 10-year reunion and I  was in education at the time. And so I'm hearing   the conversations and frequently the conversations  were we reverted right back to as if we were still   in high school. But when the conversations were  regarding teachers, they were more often negative   than they were positive. It is do you remember dot  dot dot? And that stuck with me because I would   tell my staff and in particular teachers, but  everyone on our campus, you never know what you're   going to say on any given

012day or what you're going  to do that is going to remain with a student for   the rest of their lives. So that's a powerful  thing to understand. It's incredible power and   responsibility that you have. So, it's a really  good idea to make sure that you leave a good mark   with them instead of being the one that they're  talking about at their 10-year reunion. So,   I would share that with them. So, we take it very,  very seriously in terms of removing kids from   class. And the people who really take it seriously  is our teachers. And I just want to sh give a   shout out to our teachers who do incredible work  every single day to work with our kids to provide   engaging classroom opportunities and to deal with  a lot of behavioral issues in those classrooms  

013that they manage and control even when at times  they're needing support. But there's tremendous   work being done by our teachers in our classrooms  to keep our kids in classrooms. Then there's the   balance because it can be easy. Oh, you're  reducing suspensions, but all hell's breaking   loose. Excuse the hoop, but um is breaking loose  in your schools. It's like, well, that's not the   case. And that's evidenced by the feedback that we  get by our staff and our students and our parents.   And there is some variability in terms of of the  safety on our campuses. But overall, our campuses   are viewed as being very safe as our classrooms  are. And the last thing that I would mention is   that our administrators under the leadership  of Jen and Chad uh and directors Richard and   Martin are examples of

014those are school directors  and ED service directors. Our folks are working   extremely hard to calibrate practice to talk about  consequence of how long if if a suspension is   mandated how many days all those things that have  been going on. And last but not least, and that is   the work being done with restorative practices.  Restorative I sometimes I talk about the the use   of that term. It can mean it can sound like after  something has taken place, but the model that   we're using has considerable proactive components  to it. But it's also the re-entry and what we're   doing with kids that did have to be removed.  and our folks will be talking about certain ED   code violations that we don't have an option. But  what do we do when the kids come back? And so I   just

015wanted to set the stage of the seriousness of  this topic, how important it is to have our kids   in class every day, but also our responsibility to  educate our kids behaviorally and also ensure that   our classrooms and our schools are physically and  emotionally safe for every single one of our kids.   With that, I'm going to turn it over to my  colleague and friend, Miss Ay. All right. Thank   you, Mr. Seruti. And good morning, everyone. So,  our presentation format today is we're going to go   over our guiding principles, which are really  belief statements that we have as a district.   We're going to talk about the connection of  MTSS, multi-tered systems of support to reducing   exclusionary discipline. We're going to go over  data. Director Henshaw is going to come up and   talk about some of the vocabulary

016so that we have  the same perspective on it. And then Mr. Gutierrez   and Mr. Fine will share some of the data and where  we we are at some like what we call in elementary   glows and grows. And then Mr. um Switzer will  come up and end the presentation with some   best practices that we're doing to support tier  one, what everyone is doing across the district.   So we have the big unveil. Oo. Ah. Um, can I  hear it? Ah. Um, so the same strategic goals   and the same learning vision but a new approach to  looking at them. So we thought with the new year   we'd have a new refresh of that. And even more  wonderful is the fact that when we're talking   about the topic that we're that we're discussing  today, without that particular learning vision  

017about what we believe about students and the  four goals that we have, we wouldn't be able   to reduce exclusionary discipline. We have to  have highquality instruction and assessments.   We have to have targeted supports to be able to  fill some gaps. There has to be wellness around   safety and emotional well-being. And we couldn't  do it without our family and our community. So our guiding principles, if you'll just  take a moment to read those over again,   belief statements. Mr. Surudi already mentioned  that the way we look at behavioral incidents is   about being restorative versus punitive. It's  the most important time in a student's life,   elementary and secondary, where they can  learn from their mistakes prior to becoming   legal adults. We believe that eliminating  disproportionality and the application of   exclusionary discipline is a necessity. It's not  something it'd

018be nice to have. It's a necessity.   Uh the reductions in exclusionary discipline  have a positive relationship with increased   student connectedness to school and student  achievement which is what our organization   is about and ensuring that classroom behavior  is conducive to learning. So we have to have   the systems in place so that our amazing teachers  continue doing the good work that they're doing.   So with this portion of the presentation, one  thing I want to point out is I'm not going to   go into MTSS. That could be another hour or  twohour presentation. There are going to be   upcoming spotlight sessions that the team is going  to do to further deepen the knowledge of the board   to understand how this is integrated into really  everything we do within the organization. But   there's two particular functions of MTSS.  you have

019MTSS as a framework and so if you   look to the right we're all very familiar with  that we have clearly defined so that we have a   common language in Elkrove of how we're looking at  academics social emotional learning and behavior   and we've done that through the instructional  framework castle which is a national approach   to looking at social emotional learning and PBIS  which has been around in our district for over 15   ers and within that framework, what we're looking  at are policies, practices, and structures. So the   policy at a school site might be their behavior  policy. It might be an anti-bullying policy. So   those are like the rules and the guidelines.  The practices are actually what the staff is   doing. Those are the methods, the strategies  they're doing. And the structures are looking   at the system

020within the school. That could be  the roles and responsibilities of principles,   vice principles, counselors, teachers, grade  level leads, custodians, everybody who is there.   And part of our ongoing work is to make sure our  policies, practices, and structures are aligned.   Then we also have within that framework MTSS  as a process. And I think this is the part that   most people are most familiar with and that's the  process that we get receive and seek support for   students. So if the system at a school site  is clearly defined, the process for seeking   support starts with classroom teachers doing the  day-to-day work and then having the opportunity to   do what we call is a request for assistance. Not  to be confused with a request for assessment. And   that's really what starts the process. And what I  want to be

021able to share on here is when we do our   spotlight, teams will come through and go through  uh that process with you in detail. What we're   more focused on right now with this presentation  today is to talk about some of the work and I'm   going to mention that and then Mr. Schwitzer  will end with it that we're doing districtwide   to support tier 1, which is what all students  in the organization receive. So, some tier   one examples that we're quite proud of and then  we're continuing to work on is we've established   a district goal which is part of our LCAP for  participation in student assessments. It's 95%   for reasons of student attendance. Some students  aren't qualified to take the assessment. We are   ma meeting that particular goal. We have defined  and trained three modules of the

022instructional   framework which equates to almost 8 hours of  training. 87% of staff has been completed.   That's a a moving target because we have people  retiring and new people coming into the system.   We have defined castle how we're design defining  social emotional learning through a focus at three   years of pre-ervice time period. PBIS again  has been around for many many years. We had 66   uh schools recognized last year. We will have all  schools recognized for their achievement. This   year the ed equity team has done an amazing job  with restorative practices. Um, all schools have   been trained with a variety of other staff within  the district from campus supervisors to district   personnel on tier 1 restorative practices.  And then we also have done a hour training   on deescalation that has been done for all  certificated staff uh

023at all of our sites which   is just a basic approach to how to deescalate a  situation with a student. So examples that we're   proud of, you can note at the bottom there that  we have MTSS meetings at all school sites and   we also have developed a universal student study  team process which is a a way to look more deeply   with a family uh on a student need. So that's our  connection to uh MTSS for our presentation today.   And then I'd like to invite up uh Director Henshaw  who's going to go over some definitions with you. Thanks, Jen. Good morning. Over the next few  slides, you're going to be presented with   suspension data that's communicated a variety  of ways. So, I wanted to take a few moments   to talk through each and why we share them 

024these different ways. The first set of slides   will present you with the number of students  who have been suspended one or more times,   along with the percentage of all enrolled students  who have been suspended one or more times.   These metrics are aligned to how suspension  rates are reported via the California school   dashboard for accountability each fall. So as  such, we consider this lens to be the primary   approach for examining exclusionary discipline.  While the number of suspended students will give   you a good concrete sense of the uh size and scope  of students impacted by exclusionary discipline,   we place the greater emphasis on the percentage  of students who are suspended one or more times   as it accounts for differences in population size,  allowing for a more meaningful comparison than the   raw numbers of students who are suspended

025at  least once. However, in the interest of full   transparency, we supplement metrics related  to suspended students with information about   the number of suspension incidents and suspension  incident rates per 100 students. We add this as an   additional information because the percentage  of suspended students while approachable and   informative can mask the total volume of exclusion  that can happen when individual students are   suspended more than once. Consider two students.  The first student is suspended only once while the   second student is suspended five times during  the year. In this example, when we look at the   percentage of suspended students, they're both  counted once. In the suspension incident rate,   they're counted differently. The second student  is counted five more times than the first   student. So, this supplementary approach adds  an additional dimension to help inform a comp   a comprehensive picture

026of the total state  of exclusionary discipline in the district. And now I'll pass it over to Martin  Fine and Richard Gutierrez. Thank you. Good morning and thank you for this opportunity to  u share our end of the year discipline data with   all of you for this past school year. We're  pleased to report that the overall number of   students suspended last year continues to uh  decline. And a as Jeremy just gave you great   um um definitions of what we're going to do.  Uh first we're going to look at the number   of suspended students and this is the number of  students who receive one or more suspension for   an ed code violation. And then we will look at  the numbers of suspensions themselves where we   count every suspension incident that occurs. So  one is a student count

027as he said the other is an   incident count. So to provide some structure uh  our first table shows the end of the year number   and percentage of students suspended. There's  two years of data and for each year there are   three data points enrollment number of suspended  students and percentage of suspended students.   Down the left side, uh you see that we have listed  the district and the three segments of schooling,   elementary, middle school, and high school.  And our three target subgroups within each   one are African-American students, foster  youth, and students with disabilities. So,   please note that for this slide, students  are counted one time in the overall total,   even if they have been suspended more than  once. But some students may fit into one or   more subcategory. So an example would be we could  have a

028student with a disability that was also in   foster youth. That student would show in both of  those totals. So starting with the district uh in   2324 our overall enrollment was 66,442 students  of which 2692 were suspended equaling 4.1%.   Going right across the top in 2425 our enrollment  was 67,079 students of which 2497 were suspended   equaling 3.7%. So the total of suspended students  decreased by 195 to 3.7%. For our African-American   subgroup, 779 students or 11.1% were suspended in  2324 compared to 72 or 10% last year, a reduction   of 72 students. Foster youth and students  with disabilities showed reductions, foster   youth by 4/10en of a percent and students with  disability reducing by eight students to 6.8%.   In elementary, uh, we with the growth of  almost 700 students throughout the school year,   we reduced the number of suspended

029students by  26, equaling 1.1% of our enrollment. Our three   subgroups also showed reductions. African-American  uh, subgroup reducing 24 students from 4% down   to 3%. Foster youth going from 7.3% down to 5.2%  equaling three students. And finally, our students   with disabilities group showing a reduction of  10 students down to 2.2%. Uh, Richard's going   to continue to present secondary data. Thank  you, Mr. Fine. Good morning, everybody. Um,   first I want to also uh make a statement that  the reason why we only look at two years uh we   could definitely look we do track uh over time in  regards to the our discipline numbers and data.   But for the purpose of this presentation,  we only focus on two years because yes,   we can make it fit on uh the presentation and just  compare year to year. But we

030do look at uh the   trend in regards to the last 10 years that that  we keep track. I'm proud to say that we have seen   um a substantial reduction in regards to over  time and uh with other reasons that Mr. A and Mrs.   talked about everything that we do to make sure  that our students are supported in the classroom.   Um, so continue with the same data that Mr.  Fine was going over for district and elementary,   we also see for our middle schools, we had an  increase of 219 students um for 2425 in comparison   at 23 24. So that we also see kind of that trend  of increasing with our middle schools. Um that   bringing us to a reduction of suspensions as well  minus 1.1% that is equals to minus 88 students.   uh the suspended students

031uh overall for middle  school. Um for our African-American students, we   did had an increase of 24 students of enrollment.  Um that uh brought us to um in comp to compare the   number the percentage of suspended students  between 23 and 24 a minus 4.7% that equaling   to a minus 46 less students suspended. Uh for our  foster youth, uh we see that there was an increase   of enrollment as well, plus 11 students more for  foster youth. Um that data in in regards to the   number of suspended students maintained the same  17 in comparison to 17 from 2324. But nonetheless,   we did see a reduction of the percentage  of suspended students that is a minus 9.2%.   with our students with disability we had  in 100 about 106 108 students more student   with disabilities uh from 23 24 um

032that um  in comparison to that year we did saw also   a reduction of the suspension and the percent  of suspension students by minus 1.7% that's an   equivalent of four students in comparison now to  the high school we did see a not an increase of   enrollment but a decrease of enrollment moment uh  at the high school level. Uh from 2324 to 2425,   there were minus 43 students less. Um if you  compare the number of suspended students between   one year and the other, there were uh a reduction  of minus 51 students, that given us a minus.3%.   Um if we look our African-American students um we  did see also a minus 6 students uh of enrollment   reduction that in comparation to the number of  suspended students we did had an increase plus 11   students that given us a

033plus.5% of of increase  of number percent of students suspended for our   foster youth. Uh we did had also a plus um uh  decrease of enrollment a minus three but we had   plus one um uh number of suspended students that  given us a plus 2.9% increase but that's just one   student but again we had a reduction of enrollment  and then that kind of bring us the plus uh uh   percentage with our student with disabilities  at the high school we did had a plus 29 students   um increase of of of enrollment. Uh but we see  also kind of incorporation of 23 24. We had a   plus 8 uh uh number of students suspended that  given us a 2% increase between 23 24 to 2425. the next page. Uh basically what it is is  just a visual representation

034in regards to   kind of like the data that we just um uh  witness and saw went over. Um if you see   the here we have a three-year uh comparation  uh 22 23 23 2425 you see that you may notice   that there was an increase between 2223 and  almost all um of our student groups foster   went up by.7% from 23 uh 2223 to 23 24 uh  with our African-American as a.5 increase   with our student with disabilities was a 02  2 increase and with um districtwide was a.3   increase. But then if we go from 23 24 to  24 25 we see a decrease of an percentage   of suspended students a minus 4% a point4%  with foster minus 1.1% with African-American   students a minus.4% with our student with  disabilities and a minus.4% districtwide. Now this next I notice

035it looks very busy right  you see we have all of our ethnicity groups here   um that we can see here what we're going to  do here for the suspended students ethnicity   for the purpose of this site I'm going to share  three groups where a percentage either increase   or decrease in the last three years starting  from the top and moving down um very top we   can see our African-American students uh it's  a 0.5 increase from 22 23 3 to 232 24 and a   1.1% decrease from 2324 to 2425. Um and then  we see moving down to our Hispanic students   uh where we can see an increase from 2223 to 2324  of a.3% but a decrease of a.5 between 23 24 to   2425. One more example is a district percentage  of suspended students. We can see that

036a in 22 23   there were 3.8% of suspended students. we had an  increase of.3% in 23-24 and a decrease of 4% in   2425 and then we can see that uh other groups  uh and for 2425 um are making American Indian   it was an increase of.3 and then identify as  a two and more it was an increase of a.1%.   Um, Pacific Islander students was an increase  of 2%. White students, it was a decrease of   a point4%. And our Asian students, it  was an increase of a one point of a.1%. This is a percentage of suspended students by  student groups. Um as you can see also kind of   like the same trend as the previous one from  23 22 23 to 24 23 24 it was an increase slight   increase and then we also had we can

037note  that from 2324 to 2425 there was a decrease   um in regards to all of our student groups  uh in exception with our EL students that   have a.1% increase in all uh in in the  last three years from 22 23 to 24 Five. This next table uh shows the end ofear number  of and rate of suspension incidents. As Jeremy   mentioned, this is different from the number of  actual students. This illustrates the number of   incidents and rates that the students from the  first table were suspended for. meaning some   students have been suspended multiple times for  different incidents. So overall as a district   we saw a reduction of 266 total suspension  incidents from 2324 to the end of last year   uh and a a change in our incident rate from 6.6  down to 6.1. In our African-American

038subgroup,   we saw a rate change from 19.7 down to 18  or 123 suspensions. Foster youth saw a small   increase in the rate from 33.2 to 37.1  or 11 suspension incidents. And finally,   our students with disabilities subgroup saw a  decrease in their incident rate from 13.9 down   to 13.7. In elementary, we saw a reduction of 40  suspensions, which is a rate change of 1.7 to 1.6.   Suspensions for our African-American students  decreased by 59 from a rate of 60, excuse me,   6.7 down to 4.9. Our foster youth subgroup went  from a suspension rate of 8.1 down to 7.8. And   our students with disabilities went from a rate  of 5.1 down to 3.9, a reduction of 47 suspensions for our middle school. Um, happy to  say that we also sought uh 193 less   suspension incidents uh in 2425

039in comparison  of 2324. That given us a minus 2.3 uh of the   rate uh for our African-American students.  It was also a minus 83 number of incidents   um in regards to the rate. Uh and then we  bringing us to a minus 8.6 of the rate for   our foster youth. Uh we do have again a reduction  of minus 12 uh number of incidents that given us   a rate of a minus 2.4. And uh finally with our  student with stability for the middle schools   uh again we we had an increase of enrollment  there but we also had a plus 14 number of   um suspension incidents but that still  brought us the rate down to a minus 2.4%.   at our high schools. Uh we also saw a reduction  u um again in enrollment but of the number of  

040suspender incidents it was a plus five uh but that  maintain the same in regression to the rate at the   same 0.9 for 23 24 25 our African-American  students there was a plus 40 uh number of   incidents um given us an increase of a plus 1.9%  in regards to the rate where our foster youth   uh there was a minus2 uh number of incidents,  suspension incidents uh and also bringing us a   minus1 um percent there. And then with the student  with disabilities, we had a plus 86 suspension   incidents and and that brought us to a plus 3.1%  of the rate for our um high school student with   disabilities. Uh the next slide is again a  visual representation of the rate. Uh this is   the suspension incidents. You can see that uh for  our far youth uh we

041had a slight decrease uh from   22 23 but 24 23 24 to 24 25 we had an increase.  Um uh again this is up to point now something   to point out is that far only talking about 40  students um in 2425 and then 41 students in 23   24 with our African-American you can see a decline  uh from u of rate um from 22 23 to 24 25 and then   with student disabilities also uh a a minus two  uh minus point 2% between 23 24 And overall at   the district office uh district um not office but  the district is a minus.5 uh from 2324 to 2425. So now to share with you some of  the responses to behavior incidents   um that occur. 8% uh received a suspension  last year. 91% received an alternative to   suspension. Of

042that 91%, 52% received some type of  teacher managed classroom response. 20% received   uh an administrator student conference,  definitely parent uh contact. 11% received   a detention. Uh that's a big decrease from 26%  and 2324 largely due to SB291 the the recess   bill allowing make sure that kids have  recess and then 7% received a mediated   response such as uh some type of restorative  conversation conflict mediation or a contract. Some additional examples of responses as to how  behavior incidents are responded to. Um on the   left side we have um what we would call minors  and the teacher managed behaviors and on the right   u where things would escalate perhaps a little  more and become a major our admin teams would   uh address in another means of correction. Our  teachers rely heavily on their relationships   and connections with their

043students and families  creating a sense of belonging in the classroom   and at school. So they can handle so many  situations with just a conference because of   those relationships. So, you know, hats off to  the teachers as as Mark was saying earlier. Um   they're really doing a great job um working with  their kids and keeping them engaged and wanting to   be at school. Um so, some of the other things  to to look at, teacher manage, they may have   that student conference. Um they can utilize a  timeout in a buddy room, a parent conference,   different types of referrals as as um Jennifer  said earlier to MCS MTSS team or to a counselor.   Um admin on the right side using other means of  correction would also have a student conference   with definitely followed by a parent phone  call.

044They're restorative conversations,   conflict mediation, uh and definitely supporting  that MTSS process as well. Our next slide   um shows our responses to different types of  violations and it's a mix of minors and majors,   but it gives you a great visual. It's also  a test of your eyeglasses to see if they   are properly diagnosed. Um but it gives  you a great visual. On the right side,   uh are the violations by category. On the left  side are the ways we respond to those violations.   And so looking at the very top the the bar um on  the top for defiance, disrespect, non-compliance,   there was a little over 13,000 violations in that  category. And on the left side, you can see that   the teal color uh I believe it's 62% um were  handled by teachers. They managed that behavior   in

045their classroom. Some of those students  escalated up to the admin team, 36% of them,   but they were provided an alternative means of  correction, not a suspension. Uh but leaving about   1% or so that were met with a suspension. So about  um 130 students. Just beneath that on the right   side is disruption. Just another example, 8663  violations and 64% were handled by the teacher in   the classroom, 34% uh by admin using other means  of correction and then about one one and a half%   um were met with a suspension. So to let your  eyes drift to the exclusionary discipline,   the orange, if you come about a quarter of the  way down from the top and you see fighting,   you'll see that 75% of those violations were  met with a suspension becomes much more serious.   Sometimes you know

046there's ED code violations  there, fighting um and they are students are   suspended. 25% were still dealt with uh other  means of correction depending. But you'll notice   that the the teacher managed they're doing the  right thing by referring those to admin. If you   go down even further about twothirds of the way  down, you'll see um use possession of drugs. 88%   of those violations were met with a suspension. A  couple down from there, use possession of weapons,   use possession of alcohol, both in the mid  to high 80s, uh, met with a a suspension. So, next we have Chad to share our  district and school level trainings. Thank you. Uh, so we'll talk a few more slides  here about what supports and trainings that are   being offered to our sites. So, here you can see a  long list

047of the trainings that are still ongoing.   um continuing to calibrate our practices.  We spend a lot of time with administrators   reviewing incidents and what those responses are  according to our discipline guidelines. Um all   of our schools have been trained on the first two  modules or workshops of the restorative practices.   Um continuing the work on our instructional  framework. This year's focus is on universal   access with training continuing on mindfulness and  social emotional learning. Um all of our schools   have been trained in deescalation techniques.  Uh most recently, I believe board member   uh Davis joined us on our campus supervisors  last week. We had all of our campus supervisors   in here getting deescalation techniques. And then  lastly, with crisis prevention and intervention,   while predominantly um with our special ed staff,  that is being opened up and more and

048more general   ed teachers and staff are taking advantage of  that training to work with students. And then   continuing with our current practices, um  so we definitely want to use our discipline   guidelines with fidelity. We want to make sure  that um incidents are being responded to very   similarly across our sites and working with staff  on a regular basis um to make sure that um they're   using the guidelines when it comes to specific  incidences. So we don't want one site suspending   somebody for 5 days and another one only doing  one as an example. We want to make sure we have   uh fidelity with that implementation across the  across the district. Um definitely always working   with our staff on providing interventions and  alternatives to suspension, many of which Martin   and Richard just spoke about. Um we monitor data 

049on a weekly basis. Now that information is sent   out to principles every week so that we can see  and track how stu how um staff are doing u with   discipline data. Um always wanting to improve  instruction and implementation of our social   emotional learning. Um students who are engaged  in campus typically aren't getting into trouble.   So we're able to track that student engagement  um especially at the secondary level. And then   um definitely wanting to continue our  opportunities for student voice. So we   have a wide a wide variety of examples there with  student equity council, black student unions. Um   superintendent has student advisory meeting and  then our own student board member is very active   um with providing student voice as well.  And then lastly, we want to have positive   relationships with our our family so that they 

050can understand what we're doing at our school,   what our culture and expectations are.  And this is our last slide. And as always,   um all of our school data will be presented  to the board uh in a board communication,   and you'll have that information. And with  that, we welcome uh any comments and questions. Thank you very much. Uh Miss Alani,  are there any blue cards on this item?   There are no blue cards on this item. Thank you.  Then we'll start with board member questions and   comments. U Miss Bowling. Sure. Thank you. Thank  you for the presentation. It's very helpful. Um   this is an area that's always I think sensitive  to all of us. Um because we want to be really   mindful. Um I think it's really valuable um  that we have this presentation and that the  

051public understand that um the things that you  highlighted particularly that piece around the   MTSS process around focusing on requesting  assistance and not just the assessment going   straight to what's wrong with the child. Um and  I think uh it takes a village right and this is   the village this is the um the foundation that  supports the village and I think it's so valuable.   I do have some questions. Um, Miss Ay, you  did mention um that this process is helpful   to identify the glows and the grows. Um,  is it possible that you guys can give us   a few examples of where we need to grow and  what are our glows that we're we're proud of? So what I'll go back to to start off about  process that would support the data that   we look at is really

052going back to policies and  practices. It's really ensuring that at all of our   elementary sites, including secondary sites, that  what we put out for expectations that our methods,   our strategies on how we're supporting that is  actually taking place. So I see that as a a grow   area. The glows that we have for elementary, I  think the data speaks for itself. The team has   been working really hard to come up with  alternative uh reasons for uh discipline,   but also using restorative and building  relationships. Uh the work that the ed equity   team has done, again Mr. already referred  to it. It's called restorative practices,   but actually it's foundational building when  you're using it as community circles to build   connections, relationships, understanding  of where people are coming from. So,   I would say that that is really our largest 

053grow. We're we're proud of that. We're proud   of the data. Um, I would also note that  I don't know if we'll ever be where we   don't have any suspensions. I mentioned at the  beginning of the presentation is you know when   children are young that is their opportunity  to make mistakes and our job in the school   system and parents do the same thing at home  is to help them learn from their mistakes and   I think that's a job we're doing better as a  district is really understanding how we can   uh look at not punishing kids but helping  them understand the mistake and learn from it. I think a great example is the explanation the  difference between um suspension percentage and   then the suspension rate. So as our suspension  rate continues to decrease uh half a half

054a um   half an incident rate this year if you will  for the district um to me that shows that our   interventions are getting better and better and  working for students so that they're not getting   suspended again. If our incident rate continues  to rise, that means a student is being suspended   more than once so that they're not responding to  that intervention. So once a student's suspended,   what restorative practices, how are we bringing  them back into the classroom? How are we bringing   back into school? All of those interventions  are getting better better with being implemented   and providing benefits to students so that  they don't repeat and get suspended again. Thank you. Uh let's see. Can we go back? I think  you probably mentioned this. Um, how long has the   district been implementing castle and restorative  practices? Um,

055I'm going to throw out some dates   and they may not be exact. Uh, PBIS, I believe  this is year 16 or 17. Mr. Serudi is kind of   at the root of it. Castle we came into kind of  pandemic 2019 2020 and then the instructional   framework has in theory was developed around 2016  and really brought into the current state it is in   the last three years. One more time, instructional  framework when the theory of it kind of started   in 2016, but actually the delivery and development  of what we've presented to teachers is in the last   three years. Okay. And I'll just I'll just add  one and thank you, Jen. She was she was spot on.   One way to look at this is we didn't have and  I don't know too many districts that would have   the

056capacity if you were building this model to  deal with whether you look at it as a triangle   or sometimes the three legs of the of the stool  of MTSS. um PBIS was the original and part of our   reason for doing that is because the PBIS model  has been established and around for decades and   also we had an opportunity to partner with Placer  County and it was um it was very coste effective   for us to do that. So over a three-year period  we rotated a third of the district was in here   bringing full teams. That was the first leg of the  stool that we were um that we were developing. The   second was our instructional framework. Um,  and then the third. So, if you look at it,   sometimes I describe it and say I view our,

057it's  not perfect and we don't claim that it's perfect,   but PBIS, if we look at it in terms of  are you starting as a kindergartener,   are you a 12th grader, we're probably about  a a 9th to 10th grader with with uh PBIS,   I'd say probably a solid 10th grader. Um, and  with room to grow. um our instructional framework,   we're probably at fourth to fifth and heading  towards sixth grade as we're really moving it into   classrooms across the district. And with our SEAL,  we're probably about a third to third to fourth   grader with the purchase to curriculum, but we're  really focusing on accessing and utilizing that   curriculum. Awesome. Thanks. I think that's really  great context particularly because you know change   like this doesn't happen overnight and it takes  time and I'm um PBIS like 15 years

058that sounds   about right when I remember it coming out and  everybody thinking yeah right this is not going   to work um and being really resistant and I think  this clearly this is um our district has done a   great job of implementing it and sticking to it  um and giving it time for our students to catch on   families to catch on and us to have shared values  around um really the great characteristics that   make our schools safe and awesome. So, thank you  so much for that. Um I do have a question. Um I   think I'm still grappling with um the caveat that  was provided to us about the data that there's   um it, if I understand correctly, maybe it's a  bit not skewed, but it's accounting for rate.   So could be multiple suspensions by the same 

059student. Um so are we do we have a potential   chronic suspension issue with like the same group  of students? And if we do, what are the top like   what are some pretty I imagine this would be  the top of the tier of the interventions that   need to take place to support those students  to decrease um the continued suspensions. Yeah. So those are the those are the  interventions. So when students get suspended   you know then we start looking for the first  time which is the percentage then we look at what   type of interventions are being provided. Um you  know is there counseling opportunities? Is there   um something going on with the teacher in the  class that they got suspended from the class.   Um it's kind of I can I can kind of picture  our Lozano friends

060going it depends on what   the incident was right or or what if. So um a  wide variety of interventions can go can go in   there. It could be something as counseling. It  could be a referral to um an agency outside of   school if there's wellness providers going on. Um  could be an interactive meeting with the teacher   um in the classroom to bring some sort of you  know a circle back together so that they can   be reintegrated into the classroom. Um so just a  wide variety. But then there's also referrals for   um assistance through the MTSS. You might  progress from um tier one to tier two and   get more intensive types of interventions if  there's if that need arises. if you're not   responding to those lower levels. Yeah. Um and  then from slide 11, it appears

061that um we have   increases in suspensions in our high school.  Um what what's our um like reflection around   how are we going to support the high schools with  the assistance needed to address those increases   that have happened in 2425? Yeah. One of the one  of the Sorry, did I cut you off? One of the best   um things that we're doing is reviewing data on a  weekly basis. So when those reports come out um to   our administrators, our directors are supporting  the admin teams in reviewing their data um so   that they can have those conversations with their  staff. Um oftentimes that leads to conferences,   meetings with your campus supervisors. Are  we noticing things happening on campus? Is   there a hot spot? For example, we're noticing an  area um behind one of the buildings. Okay, do we  

062need to get some supervision out there if that's  where things are taking place? but being able to   monitor that on a weekly basis and then bring  teams of administrators together um to review   incidents that are actually happening and having  uh staff come in and share those incidents that   we're seeing suspensions coming on and how are we  calibrating and working with them to be able to do   that. Okay. Can I add um along with that with what  chat said um to our schools practice gradual uh   you know discipline right in regards to the you  know the of the behavior of the student and and   then we equip them with uh services right support  counseling at our schools they do the MTSS right   and then for the behavior as well so we have the  universal that we

063provide to our schools you know   to our students and then tier two so they meet uh  their groups meet depends on what level they are   so universally they meet once a month uh team kind  of look at those behaviors and then we have uh   another team the same team but meet by weekly to  meet those students who are in tier two to kind of   uh equip them with more support with more services  u so that's one of the things that we kind of   practice in regards to kind of calibrating with  the data when we have our vice meetings as well we   calibrate with them we have we we bring scenarios  we have them kind of work together with the   scenario and make sure that they are calibrated in  regards to what would you do in

064this case because   we want to make sure that it's equitable around  across the you know all of our schools in regards   to the behavior they're going to get based on  on the incident. Thank you. And just one last   question on slide 13. What are we doing to address  the disparity of our African-American students?   um they seem to be at the top um here on this  chart for suspensions. And then taking a look at   American Indian, there was a dra drastic decrease.  Is there any lessons learned from that decrease   that we could apply across other subgroups that  are experiencing um higher rates of suspension? Um I think the um not knowing what the  N number is on American Indian that is   a typically a smaller a smaller group. So if  you have a smaller group and

065then one or two   less suspensions could be a drastic increase. Um  we can definitely research that and provide that   information just on what their enrollment numbers  are. Um I think specifically with African-American   um students um when they are being suspended  there's calibration amongst their team.   um conversations on campus, is this a suspendable  offense, conversations with the director,   um having conversations about are there are  there alternatives that we can do? um instead   of suspension in lie of suspension. And um as I  kind of think through um this slide right here,   I really like this slide because it does show um  you know all of the other means of corrections,   teacher managed alternatives to suspension and  you can really kind of see um short of fights,   possession of drugs, possession of weapons, um  we are doing everything

066we can to not suspend   students um in lie of those kind of big four, big  five when they when those incidents do happen.   um typically they do result in a suspension.  I was going to add to that as well. Part of   the focus that uh CPL and actually the whole ed  services team did this year with universal design   for learning. It really is looking at uh being  culturally responsive how lessons are designed.   So it is also bringing back we recognize there's  a gap and recognize that we need to continue to   dig into uh the day-to-day work that we do  with our students not just in instruction   but how classrooms and schools are set up. So  I think that is one of the pieces uh that we're   looking at. I also would add that uh we

067predict  to see reductions with restorative practices work   that are going on because the emphasis is on  relationships and understanding families and   students. And um I would also add that the  work that was done that you can have more   comprehensive training the deescalation training  it has this really simple approach of Q-Tip which   is quit taking it personally. So it's really  about the adults. It's not about the students,   about how adults are interacting with kids.  But we recognize that and I believe those   strategies of what we're looking at right  now are some ways that we will mitigate that. I need to use that my kids. My own kids. I need to  do that with my own kids. All right. Thank you so   much for your questions or for my answers. Thank  you, Miss Moore. Uh, good morning.

068and thank you   for the presentation. Um I appreciate that in the  beginning of the presentation you recognize that   we need um adequate supports for our teachers  because it um you know with this as we're doing   implementing these process processes um we it  seems that there's definitely an added burden   to our teachers. um you know as you mentioned  on page 19 if if a lot of these um like a lot   of those interventions were teacher managed  and that is putting a heavy responsibility on   them when their primary focus is instruction and  managing their classroom. So if we're going to put   that kind of burden on them I just want to ensure  that we are adequately supporting them. Um and   um on slide five um it says that we uh the last  bullet point says ensuring classroom

069behavior   is conducive to learning and maintaining school  safety um is a foundational exception. And I just   want to point out that that is really important um  that we maintain school safety and in our efforts   to um reduce exclusionary discipline. Um, we need  to make sure that we, you know, you talk about how   we're moving away from punitive punishments, but  we need to ensure that we are not in our efforts   to do that, we're not punishing all students.  And I say that because some feedback that I   hear from staff, students and um community members  is that sometimes there are disruption in classes   um when you know teachers are trying to manage  um behaviors um student safety as I mentioned   previously. um if we are not properly addressing  issues um at that need to be addressed then

070later   that can cause um student safety issues. Um and  then another issue is that restrooms are being   closed for all students um instead of addressing  the behaviors that are causing the restrooms to be   closed. Um and so for a minute I wanted to go back  to again page 19 where it addresses the individual   behaviors. Um, I noticed that for vandalism and  damage, uh, property damage, we had, um, 1,137   incidents, I believe. Um, can you tell us where  most of those incidents happened? Like where,   like, is there a specific location on campus?  Do we have more data on that? Yeah, that's um,   we don't have that readily available. That's data  that we can um identify where it took place um as   long as that's being logged in synergy when  the incidents are happening. It could be

071on   the bathroom. It could be damage in an office.  Something along those lines. But we can look   that up and and find out specifically where if  it's listed for us. Okay. Because from what I   hear is that when we are often shutting restrooms  is that and the two primary reasons are that it   is because of vandalism or vaping. um sometimes  um other misbehaviors, but and then um you know,   instead of addressing those issues, we're shutting  the restrooms, which punishes all of our students.   And I don't I don't think that's acceptable.  So, I really would like to get to the bottom of   um how we're dealing with those issues. It seems  like it's a I mean that's quite a few incidents of   um you know vandalism, property damage and  I've I've heard you know what what

072some of   the things happening in the in the bathrooms  are and so if we're not addressing those issues   um that that's a concern to me. And then um I mean  we also had students come from Sheldon High School   talking about their concerns um with vaping in  in the restrooms and how they would you know they   didn't even want to use the restrooms because it  was so bad. Um so when we have our own students   coming to board meetings saying that's an issue.  We that's something we really need to look into.   Um again we need to make sure all of our students  are safe. they all need to have a restroom to use   where they feel safe and like it's available  and accessible to them. So, um I would like us   to continue to look into

073that issue and how we're  dealing with those particular incidents. Um yes,   more we can uh the report was just run for me. So,  a majority of those incidents about just under 500   491 occurred in the classroom while there were  82 listed in the um bathroom restrooms. Okay. And   then down from there, playground, library, common  areas, etc. So, majority of those are happening   in the classroom. Um, was it about a thousand  or so total? So, just about half of them, um,   happened in the classroom and then 82 bathroom.  Okay. And then um just to close out kind of that   concern or topic, I would just like to say again  that going along with supports for our teachers   and our staff, we should um it is a priority that  we have adequate campus supervisors because again,   if

074we're going to have alternate means of um of  of the way of means of correction, then we need   to we need to make sure we have those supports  not just for our teachers but also around campus.   Um so that maybe you were saying that maybe  um you might look into how like the location   on campus that certain things are happening if  we don't have adequate support around campus   um then I think you know that's a concern. So  I really hope that we can address that. Um and   then my last question on page 18 please. Um we you  talk about the various responses that are used and   I would just like to know do we communicate with  families um as these responses are implemented? Yeah. Depending on which one teacher managed  for example teacher would contact

075the the   parents let them know that those interventions  are taking place in class. Um oftentimes ask   for suggestions anything you might do at home  for example um that I might be able to try in   the classroom. And then when it comes into other  means of correction that get into administrator   um or referrals, we definitely share with  with parents, you know, the steps that have   taken prior to leading up to a suspension, for  example. Okay. I just think that's important   that we um do that as much as possible to  give families opportunity to be um part of   the solution and also to be aware so they can  support as needed. Um so I just wanted to know   that. So thank you for the presentation.  And that's all my questions. Thank you,   Miss Ballerini. First off, I

076want to thank you  guys for being so good about explaining all of   this because I went through it at home, but it  just doesn't hit nearly as well until you guys   talk us through it. I really appreciate that. Um,  and I do have a couple of qu quick questions. Um,   and I'm not sure, it's definitely before page  19, but where would they talk about a student   contract as an option for how to deal with it?  What What does that mean, student contract? At the elementary level, um, it could be a  simple behavior contract where the teacher and   the student spell out specifics of, you know,  what's okay, what's not. Okay. Uh it could be   between two students where you have a no contact  contract they call it where you sit down with both   students and

077say you know Martin if you're on  the the field then Jennifer you need to be on   the playground you know when you keeping kids um  apart depending on the nature of it that's at the   elementary level very similar sorry very similar  of the high school um however with the high school   we we do focus to do restorative practices our our  main main focus is to make sure that our students   mediate their conflict. There's times that we  recognize that that that they're not ready at   that moment for them to resolve their conflict  that they have. So we do a no contact contract   where they uh we write some you know some key  points in regards to you know avoid each other um   make sure don't look at each other make sure that  they um don't use

078the same restroom in the same   lunch you know just some parameters in regards to  for them just to make sure that they respect each   other until they're ready to come back to resorted  practice and make sure that they resolve the issue   that they have at hand. Those are all good things  in dealing with people in general. Actually,   thank you for that. All right. Um, on page 19,  I noticed use possession alcohol 9% no action.   What does that mean? No action was taken. So,  it um, and Jeremy might be able to answer this   better. Sometimes it it's a there's an error on  the entry of the violation within Synergy and   um there's reports that go out as Chad was  saying weekly to admin to let them know their   um um validation error list. So they go

079in and fix  those. And I'm assuming that's what that is. Oh,   Jeremy's there. Hi there. Um so if you look at  the end on this there are 50 use of possession of   alcohol incidents where that was the category  of the violation. So that 9% represents two   incidents. Um another factor that's that's at play  here is just sometimes people make mistakes when   they're doing the data entry. Um they enter  the violation codes themselves independently   of the category. And so you can get incidents  where they might put like out of bounds as the   um like minor out-of-bounds as the like specific  violation and accidentally misclick something else   as the category. So I have a feeling that might be  something that could be occurring here. But this   is the data as as it is in the system. Perfect. 

080It was it stuck out to me. So I was like that's   really weird. We did nothing and they had alcohol  on campus. Uh oh. All right. Um, and and this is,   I guess, kind of a theoretical question. We  do have a uh quite a few of our schools that   are overcrowded at this point, hence the  reason we're building more schools. Um,   and I know we don't keep data specifically and  share it with us on the schools individually. Do   are we finding that schools that have overcrowding  are having more incidents because the like there's   no way to separate the two people that are  having problems or that kind of thing. Have   we have we seen any of that coming coming on the  more students we get? Obviously we've grown in   students too. Is is that a

081problem? and and that  seems more of an elementary piece. And um I would   I really say that varies from school to school. As  I think of the school sites that we have right now   that are more crowded, they're not standing out.  Um but when that does happen, we go back to look   at what their tier one practices are, not their  tier 2 or tier three. We examine with the school   what they have in place to eliminate some of those  situations. It may be adding another recess. It   may be adding another lunchtime and expanding the  time so there's less students in the lunchroom,   less students out on the yard or just the passage,  you know, between recess and lunchtime. Um,   but that is definitely not something that jumps  out immediately as something that we have dealt  

082with in the last year. Okay, great. that it's good  to know if somebody's looking at that and seeing   if it's an issue because I I know when I went  to pick up the kids on Monday, oh my goodness,   all the kids at once. It was like, ah, so it  it can be overwhelming for the kids as well.   All right, that's it. And again, thank you guys  for explaining this so well to us. I appreciate   it. Thank you, Miss Albiani. Um, thank you very  much for the presentation. I think I'm very proud   of the fact that we've never tried to hide our  numbers or or misrepresent our numbers and I've   been sitting up here when the report was much  more dire and and had to sit through that. So,   um it is improved 100%. we we

083are headed in the  right direction and I believe as um Miss Baldwin   said these programs take time to take effect and  I think one of the encouraging things to me is   to see the incredibly low numbers at elementary  schools because it might shock some people those   were not there 10 years ago those were not there  seven years ago um they've made a huge change and   I also feel these things happen in waves so as  we teach these children our culture You just I   just keep thinking, God, it's got to happen. It's  got to get better. And it was it's middle school   had been just a nightmare about incidents in the  past and and high school is the highest this year,   which is which is disappointing. I mean, but  but it's nice to see this. I

084feel like we're   seeing a bit of a wave of this work that we've  done as these kids grow into these programs. So,   um, yeah, I just really feel like that was a  positive in my mind looking at it historically.   I'm not discrediting any of the thing the work  we have to do. I think slide 14, can we show that   real quick? Um, tells us some of the work we're  doing. It It's got to be reinforcing. We have we   have dedicated people to homeless students  and I don't know what happened last year,   but something seems to be working now. and and  the fact these things are starting to take effect   and and work over time. Um it's a support for  programs supporting the our students shows up   everywhere. It shows up on their grades. It  shows

085up in their behavior. We know it's a   whole thing. So, and I have high hopes for um  restorative practices. We we did we had some   very disappointing numbers and I think we looked  real hard and started programs to include people.   We've started programs to build people back  in. We've changed a focus from no tolerance and   punishment to inclusion and learning institute. Um  the whole feeling of this in the last 10 years has   has really taken a shift and I think it's showing  in our numbers. So I don't know if we can throw   in a graph that is old like a graph is easy. I  mean, you can't put all those numbers up here,   but if you could do a graph that shows possibly  postcoid in our in our second of the year. And   here's the

086other thing I want to point out to  everybody. We we take this seriously enough. We   put this on our agenda two times a year. We we  don't ignore this. We don't do it once a year.   We say, "How did we do last year?" They're using  these numbers right now to kick off the school   year. We get halfway into the school year and  we say, "How are we doing again?" And so, it's   not something we're running from. It's something  we're leaning into as a board and we have in the   past and we're leaning into what programs make it  work. Um I think um slide 11. Did we look at 14? That shows the support 16. It's teeny but there's  gap closure on 16. I'm not not showing I'm not   passing that up. Like there is gap

087closure on 16  for our African-American black students. So I'm it   is little but it is the right direction and we've  been waiting to see that. So I'm very excited   about that. Um is people um sitting on the board  can see the end of 2324. We did not have we were   we were saying some very different things on the  dis and so it's exciting to see this change. Um,   and we did uh a whole change in discipline  programming. Um, how we discipline children   and the discipline graph. I don't know. Do  have you guys had that? Have you seen it? I   think that's something to share. And I think um,  Miss Moore will appreciate. It says this happens.   Call parent. like when something happens, our  administrators pull out a piece of paper that   we can get a

088copy of and it says this happens.  Call parent, do this, do this, do this. And it   it shows you and I'm not sure it's not even in  the handbook, but it it is it is a framework of   how we handle these things. And then if you go to  a principal's meeting, they pull up an incident   and then all the principles talk about how that's  handled and they they talk about this, right? um   cor correlation, what do we call it? Calibration.  Yeah, calibration. The cal calibrating behavior.   And and they've been doing it for years. And it's  just very impressive because that is one of our   challenges. We're so large. One of our challenges  is to be to be fair. And fair is not equal, but   fair is fair. And and so what are we doing? We've 

089changed that. And I think it's really it's really   drilled into our administration through that  practice. That's one of my favorite practices.   as I've seen us do. So, congratulations. Thank you  for the hard work. And I think as it was mentioned   before, our focus does need to be um repeat append  offenders. What are we doing that brings that   number down and then and then what other services  do they need? Thank you. This is great. Thank   you. Thank you very much, Miss Davis. Once again,  thank you for the presentation. Um, on page nine,   you stated that the deescalation training had been  provided to all certificated staff and I know the   campus supervisors by attending their training the  other day. Um, but is there any plans to include   front office yard supervisors, PAR educators who  are also in

090these situations with these children   and would benefit from that training also?  Um, you Susan had actually brought that up   at previous board meetings. So for we're looking  at our secretary and S SOA meetings to be able to   do the training and then I believe um I'm I was  restorative practices that was a piece that we're   looking at for like elementary campus supervisors.  Their jobs are a little bit different than what   the secondary folks do but is that is something  we've heard and we are planning for. Okay. Thank   you. Um, just being in that situation, I know  how important it is to have some of that training   instead of just relying on your mom knowledge. Um,  that's good knowledge. That's good knowledge. Um,   in the middle schools, it was on several  slides, but they account for

091close to half of   the disciplinary um, with only two grade levels.  Are we focusing on them to try to find what can we   do for I I know they're a different breed. Um it's  a whole different world in middle school, but it   keeps standing out that maybe they need a little  bit more support. Um well that these kids go   through that transition into maturity. Um and also  do we share these practices with parents prior to   there being incidents? Are are we educating our  parents on the PBIS and the restorative practices? We do uh to an extent. We always encourage our  schools to make sure that they when they have   staff when they have parent meetings when  they come for example when they students   just return to school they they do this with all  the students

092right and then and then when they   invite the parents and then they we go um a very  clear uh review of the handbook regards to kind   of you know things to look for uh things to pay  attention to. uh we so we try to calibrate for   all the middle schools to make sure we do that as  much as we can um and whenever we have incidents   uh we obviously encourage our rice principles and  counselors administration to kind of contact the   parent and talk about the matrix that u Miss  Albanian was talking about because we really   want to calibrate with a matrix and you can see  for our middle schools there has been a reduction   in suspensions and so it was the period of time  like M alb Alani mentioned middle school was like   a very

093high point high school was a low point And  this year we see a little bit of the opposite. So,   but we do try to calibrate to make sure that  our our administrators are following the matrix   uh to make sure that we gradually support and in  talk to our parents about what does that look like   utilizing the matrix. Okay. Just a note on the um  the matrixes that's come up a couple of times. One   of the things that we're doing this year, now  we we constantly go back and take a look to see   if it's um still meeting the needs, but we're  actually taking the restorative practices lens   through it this year uh with our partners that are  helping us with the restorative work and actually   uh making adjustments to it um through a new lens. 

094So, I think it'll be even um even more um helpful   to our um school leaders when they're working  through some of these situations. Thank you. Um,   and just wanted to say, you know, working at  a school, um, I watched when PBIS came in and   some of the skepticism, but was able to watch  the student buy in and the changes over the   year. And if anyone has never sat and watched  third graders or fourth graders sit down and   work through the restorative practice and some of  the writings that they share, sometimes they're   all grown uping as grown-ups. So, so thank  you for the education you're providing them. Great. Thank you very much for the presentation.  Um I don't have any additional questions, but I do   have um some some things I wanted to point out. Um 

095so I am I'm I'm a data nerd. Um I I look forward   to these presentations in part because they're  just there's so much here to look at and dissect.   And um I did I think what uh Miss Albiani was  talking about and I went back and looked at all   of our previous ones and you know cuz more data  sets means more fun. Um so one thing that's worth   I think pointing out is that these the graphs and  the charts and the information presented shows a   snapshot of the past couple of years. But when you  go back and you look at the data and you add in   um you know previous years I think you see the  magnitude of the change. Um, so, uh, you know,   I went back to 2018 and, you know, just looking 

096at, you know, for our for our foster youth,   we went from 22.9% to 15.2%, which is a drop of  34%. Right? For our African-American students, we   went from 16.8 to 10%, which is a 41% drop. And so  these are these are significant numbers when you   look at them over a long period of time. Um and  you know you can the biggest drop is right when   we started to implement a lot of these things uh  started to pay a lot of attention to exclusionary   discipline um but it's continuing postcoid right  it's not like it you know it slowed a little bit   um which is natural um but you're we're continuing  to see change um you know so just in the past four   years right for African-American students  we've seen a drop of 13% uh in exclusionary  

097discipline and That's not nothing, right?  That's that's important. Um, and I think,   you know, it's important to continually say that  that we're working on this, that we're doing this,   that we're paying attention. Uh, you know, like  my colleague Miss Alviani said, right? Um, this is   this is val, incredibly valuable work. Uh, and so  I I appreciate it and I think it's worth pointing   out again and again and again that this change is  happening. Um, it's slow. You don't always see it.   Um, our community certainly occasionally comes  in and gets mad and you know like it's 2018   and that is fine. Um, it is a constant reminder  that we need need to continue to do better. Um,   but for us, right, remembering we're doing it,  right? This is this is good baby steps along the   way.

098Um, one thing I do want to point out there  is that disproportionality for African-American   students is still a problem. Um, if you look at  TW in 2018, um, the the challenge here is that   the numbers are falling, but they're falling for  everyone. And so, which is great. I don't want to   say it's not. That's that is a fantastic thing,  but if you look in 2018, uh, an African-American   student was about 2.7 times more likely than  the district average uh, to be part of, uh,   or to experience exclusionary discipline. In 2024,  it was still 2.7 times. And so this is an area   where we can continue to focus, like you said,  continue to grow. Um is that disproportionality is   still something we need to focus on. It's clearly  still something that's a bit of an issue.

099Um it's   great that exclusionary discipline is falling for  everyone, but let's make sure we're starting to   close those gaps um you know, between our student  populations. Um, another thing that jumped out at   me was that um, a along that along those lines  is that our African-American students make up   about 31% of all of our incidents. Um, which is  again that disproportionality. It's a, you know,   our African-American students are only about 10%  of our population. So, if they're making about 31%   of our disciplinary incidents, that's a bit of an  issue. So let's let's keep an eye on those numbers   and maybe start thinking about you know how we can  really make an impact in that area. Um let's see.   So in the categories uh so slide 19 um I went back  and compared these numbers to

100some of the previous   years and a couple of things jumped out at me.  The um first one was that physical contact and   aggression we have we're doing less exclusion now  than we used to. Um I think that's I think that's   probably a good thing. As I go to campuses, as  I talk to people, I have heard some grumbling   about that. Um there is some frustration, some  feelings um you know from people that we're not   doing enough that these that there needs to  be more um you know consequences for things   with word that we use consequences for things  like that. um you know so let's think about I   I would say I just want to point it out so we're  thinking about it um the other one that jumped   out at me that I thought was

101a little odd was  abusive language we are doing more exclusion for   um so just wanted to kind of float that to the  top to for you all to think about this year   um and then two other things that jumped out at  me is that there are um that we're seeing we saw   a pretty significant jump in the number of fights  uh last year. So years before like for the past   couple of years um the number has been around  uh 1400 and this year it was over 1900 and so   something you know something I wanted to point out  and flag as a bit of an issue. Um we're doing less   exclusion on that which I think is important. Um  you know we want to try and you keep keep kids in   the classroom as much as

102possible. Um, but that  number jumped out at me. Uh, the other one is,   um, we're seeing a pretty regular increase over  the past couple of years in, uh, harassment and   bullying. Our response to it has been consistent  consistent, which I think is good, but the fact   that we're seeing those numbers continually tick  up um, something to keep an eye on. Uh, and then   that is really it for me. The la the last thing  I will point out is the same observation as some   of my colleagues have had, which is this we're  seeing that I I love seeing that decrease at the   elementary and middle school level. Keep an eye on  what's going on at the high school level. Clearly,   there's a bit of an uptick there. Um, but  otherwise, you know, fantastic work, fantastic   presentation,

103and we really, really appreciate  everything you guys are doing. So, thank you. All right. Uh let's everybody  take a brief 5m minute break   and then we will be back at uh 10:32. Thank you. [Music] That off my list. I'm going to try [Music] How are you? He hasn't got the fine art of you  just put on one smell. He's got the   hair smell. Oh yeah. Body washing  smell. Yeah. As I've gotten older,   I've become a more sensitive to it. I  think just this season is probably for   me the worst. Yeah. So it's just like hurts  here, you know? Well, we've done pretty much Yeah. Yeah. Ever had one so into smells  as this one? And it's a boy. I know. Oh, thank you. Yeah, he he makes us proud. We tried to push him towards

104because you see   how well he talks with grown-ups  and stuff. He's so well spoken. He's like a little mini adult. So, we're  trying to push him hang out with the kids   a little bit more. Too much like  grandma. Otherwise, I don't think Oh, goodness. That's why these are so important.  All right, let's bring it back to order at 10:35.   Uh, and we are on to managing growth in the  district. Dr. Coats. Right. Well, good morning,   President Vargas, members of the board,  Superintendent Hoffman, Miss Avalos, staff,   and community that are joining us. Uh, I have  been looking forward to doing this presentation   for a long time now. Uh it's there's a lot going  on and uh it needless to say if you've already   reviewed the report uh there is a lot here and  I think Chris

105set it up that um certainly this   could be multiple days worth of presentation.  So uh the goal here is to provide some overall   context and give some updates on where we are with  uh particular projects. So, it's structured with   enrollment trends, general strategies on how we  manage fluctuating enrollment trends, and then of   course the specific projects uh that we're working  on. We do have the facilities and planning team   here. Um they like to remain a little anonymous,  but um you will likely see them as we um as we   go. It's it really is a a robust team and so I'm  excited to highlight a lot of their work. Uh we've   also been partnering very closely with school  leadership. So this is certainly something that   doesn't just live in the realm of facilities. Uh  facilities we

106can get really focused on numbers,   but when it comes into practice, it it really is  about creating those conditions in a in a school   for teaching and learning. And so as a former  principal, just knowing how impactful it is   to have that information early uh with tools for  our uh school leadership team to um help support   the principal in the community. So let's take a  look at enrollment over time. Uh this chart shows   our historical ro enrollment uh 10-year look and  these are seabeds numbers. So um what that means   is it includes charter schools and um so they're a  little higher than what we would typically report   and there are official seabeds. So if you were to  pull a report from the state of California this   is what you would see. Uh and so we

107have steady  growth. You can see a slight dip in 2122 22 23   really is a result of the pandemic and over time  we've been moderately growing again. What you see   on the far right is our 2526 projections and we  won't get final numbers until the beginning of   October. But um certainly it's been noted that we  have moved into the fourth largest district in the   state of California. Uh and and this is why and  I think this presentation will kind of explains   what's going on. So unique to Elk Grove, we are  growing and and growing rapidly in particular   areas, but we also have areas of um no growth or  even some decline. So where most districts in the   state of California are managing declining  enrollment only and which comes with its own   challenges, we're balancing both

108of those. So, why  are we growing and why are why do we have areas   of decline? Well, sometimes it's legislation.  Uh sometimes it's new program. Uh El Grove is   a highly desirable place to live. And so, we get a  lot of people that are coming in from the Bay Area   that's that are moving into uh our neighborhoods.  um certainly transitional kindergarten where we're   we'll talk more at length um about how TK has  uh impacted schools and growth. Uh we have   new developments that are increasing uh student  enrollment in particular areas of the district. We   have legacy neighborhoods where um folks are not  moving out of their their homes. They've they've   grown up there. They've raised their kids there.  they're staying there. I do think that over time   though those houses will begin to sell and

109we'll  start to see growth in those areas as well. So   um just just a look at what we are working  with um within Elkrove. So how do we plan   for these fluctuations uh when we have them at  the same time? So everything is really built on   enrollment projections which start as soon as we  get those seabeds numbers. So as soon as um we   verified and certified those the planning team  in the facilities department gets gets started   and they do different modeling. Um we look at  kindergarten enrollment trends. We look at changes   in grade level cohort students as they move across  the years. And of course we're looking at housing   development, the um residential neighborhoods  that are growing within the district. I've already alluded to this, but sometimes  legislation uh can impact us um certainly in  

110a in a positive way when we think about programs  and services for for our parents and our students.   Um but they impact the facilities as well. So  when you take a look at transitional kindergarten   expansion, as just as a reminder, we've been  growing transitional kindergarten over the past   four years. So in 2526, this is the full year of  implementation. Um meaning anyone that's four is   now eligible for TK. So when we talk about how do  we project for transitional kindergarten students,   it's more challenging than every other grade level  because for the past four years, we've been adding   two months to the calendar year. So then we  have to get it um when was the child born? How   many birth rates did how many births did we have  between January and April of a particular year?

111So   uh it gets pretty scientific. We won't go into too  much of that, but just trying to help understand   the complexity of trying to predict how many  four and fivey olds we're going to have in   our schools. So, over the last three years,  we've added 79 new transitional kindergarten   classes. And in El Grove, those are half-day  classes and we offset them with the expanded   learning opportunities program. So, students get  really a full day. There's a lot of impact when we   think about facilities, uh, parking, restrooms,  um, both for staff and for students when we're   adding these types of programs. So, um, just as  a just some additional context, what we wanted   to do is show where do our students live. Um, and  this shows student density across the district.   You can see that in the

112in the north and  in the south, those green circles is where   we're experiencing our most rapid growth. And you  don't need the heat map. You could just drive the   district and you can you can see it with your own  eyes. Um, but it is helpful to um see and we don't   have a whole lot of when I say decline, it's not  like people are leaving those areas. So you can   see that there is a lot of density still within  the interior of the district boundary. Um but but   what we're really focused on with our um uh growth  is those that north area and the south area. So importantly, as we're thinking about enrollment  projections and where students are coming from,   the planning team is constantly monitoring new  development. And so over the next 10 plus

113years,   and this is this is where facilities  and budget are very similar, we we make   assumptions or we make uh projections based  on the best assumptions we have at the time.   So so many things can change in uh in a plan in  a that we have no control over. And so what the   team is doing is they're constantly looking at the  data. They're outreaching to developers. Are you   still are you still on the track to to build these  homes or not? And um lots of things the economy   can can change and impact um builders decisions  that we have no control over. So you can see   anything in red on this map, they are actively  building. And so the projected time frame that   those homes would be uh here in the next one to  four years

114with um families living them in them   and potential students. And so I I'm just going  to go right to the orange. These are projected,   but they're future. Those are going to be 10 plus  years. Whether those are 30 years or they never   manifest, we don't really know. But we have those  on the docket and we check that constantly to see   what could come. What we do believe based on the  current residential development that's going on is   that over the next 10 10 plus years, we could have  another 18,000 students um as part of the Elkrove   Unified School District. Just let that sink in  for a second. Because of the growth, the team for   years has been planning on new potential school  sites. When Superintendent Hoffman is out, he'll   say, "We've got 60 schools and we're

115going to  need 60 more." And this is this is why is because   we have so much residential growth. So, we have  reserved school sites in the areas and you can see   where they're really concentrated. It's in those  green circles where we have most of the growth   happening. And so, um, we're going to talk about  some of those those school sites today when we get   into specific projects, but we have 11 reserved  elementary sites and then um a a middle high   school site as well. And um and I would say that  what we're showing today is pretty conservative.   There's many more, but um that we haven't like  fully released publicly. So I don't want to spend   a whole lot of time, but I guess I what I want to  share with this slide is to show

116that um that with   all of the schools that we have in the system,  some are experiencing growth in more impactfully   than others. And so these are the schools that um  have five or more 5% or more enrollment growth in   the next five years that as we go into the  tools on how we manage growth and different   um different strategies in our tool belt. Um we  need to consider um these are the schools that   we're really focusing on. On the converse, we have  schools in decline and so working through the same   um you know through the same some of the same  strategies. And what I'll say is um when we have   a 320 square mile boundary, we may have capacity  in our schools, but they're not in the right   location. And so so when we know

117that we know that  we have to use other avenues to uh address the   need. And so we know that um that we can look at  our numbers and make decisions just based on data.   But any decision that we make has a real impact  to our students, our families, the staff that are   in our schools that are really trying to just  create great learning environments. So when   we think about the impact of growth and going  through our tools, we're really thinking about,   okay, what is this going to do to a family? And we  really try to take it from our own lens. Many of   us are parents like what is this going to do to  family scheduling? Um how is this alignment? Um   what does it mean? what's the impact for district  staffing? Um what does

118that mean for ratios   um for parking? How does how do board policies  play into that? So there's a lot of different   perspectives we need to take into consideration  and we do um as best as we can knowing that   there's not one perfect solution at any time. It's  there's always going to be something that isn't   uh great. So, as we've talked about TK and  um expanded learning opportunities program,   we've also seen an increase of special education  classes. And one of the priorities has been to   make sure that we have continuity for students in  our buildings and so our most vulnerable students   aren't moving yeartoear to another specialized  program. And so that has an impact as well.   And when we are when we're doing it  right, which we like to do all the time,   uh, or strive

119towards it, maybe I should say,  is we need larger TK classrooms. We need smaller   toilets. We need more inclusive playgrounds and  play structures. And because of the wraparound   services that we have with um uh for our students  and our families, we have more staff than we've   ever had coming into campuses offering those types  of services. Uh which means that we not only need   um we need office space for those that are working  with confidential information. We need expanded   parking and so we need um we need restrooms both  for the grown-ups on campus and we need it for the   students on campus. And so as as these impacts  change and we build new schools, we're really   trying to factor in and create as much flexibility  as possible so we can eb and flow with the change  

120that we don't we don't know what it's going to  look like in in 5 to 10 years, but we want to   be as flexible as possible with our design to try  to um accommodate um all all sorts of scenarios.   So when we have this growth and we're managing  overcrowding um we use a continuum of strategies   um probably the first and most simple is just  offloading or redirecting. We're going to talk   about each one of them separately kind of  generally and then we'll talk about some of   the strategies with the projects. Um we can  add learning spaces by expanding our current   classrooms or installing relocatables. Um,  also would that would be the other term for   portables. Um, I've been told we don't use that  anymore. So, I'm I'm just honoring the team. Um,   we can make

121boundary adjustments, which we're  going to talk about today. We typically do that   with new schools, but when you look at the list  of schools that are potentially in decline and   capacity, could it make sense to reconsider some  boundary changes to utilize this the schools that   we currently have? We can we can and do and  have for years made calendar adjustments. Um   using the year- round elementary calendar is  um not something that we rush into, but it can   accommodate additional students. Um uh and we  can build new schools. It's the most expensive   option and and what I hope today is to show all of  these different options and the kind of the cost   analysis with them. So offloading or redirecting  uh is um probably the the first approach when we   have it. And so if a

122school reaches capacity,  whether it's elementary or secondary, uh we do   what's called an offload or redirect where um we  let families know that um because we're a growing   district that um we ideally like to have everyone  in their home school, but that's not always an   option. And if for some reason a student can't  attend the school in their bound in their home   boundary then we would provide the transportation  at no cost to the family. So um we do that quite a   bit and then we have these added learning spaces.  And so what I want to do is spend a little time   here and um look at this table all across because  there's a lot of information and I I think um Chad   and Jen got you warmed up with a lot of data  on one

123um particular information. So when we're   adding learning spaces um we consider different  factors. um we consider how much capacity do we   need to add? What is the implementation timeline  that we're talking about? So you think about like   the residential growth that's going on. Is this  like a 10 plus year buildout? Is this just a short   um is it shortterm? So we look at that. Um what's  the cost? There's always some cost analysis that   we're doing. Uh what and then we have to keep in  mind um what's the instructional quality of a an   environment that we bring in to accommodate  growth and then the flexibility and we have   some examples. So when we'll start from the left  to the right. So when we're adding a new school   which we're doing we're going to talk about a 

124few of them. Um, this is probably the widest.   We're looking at regional development growth.  And when a site reaches 85 to 95% capacity   um on a year round calendar, those year- round  calendars really become a factor in this. Um,   and we've got multiple sites impacted. That's  when we start to say, okay, we need a new school.   We've got Grant Line Elementary School that we'll  talk about soon in a as as an example of that or   Arbor Ranch um as an example. When we build a new  school, depending on whether it's an elementary   school or a high school, we're really looking  at adding between 850 to 2400 students. Uh the   implementation timeline on any of this is 3 to six  years. And depending on the what type of school it   is, it's anywhere from 70 million

125to 400 million  plus. So obviously the 70 million is more uh what   uh the going rate for elementary schools are right  now with secondary schools costing much much more   with the specialized facilities. Um when we talk  about program and we say it's purpose-built, it's   built for the programs that are needed. So, if  we're talking about a secondary school and we need   um a a particular career technical education  programs, that's purpose-built. That's based   on programs that we want to be able to offer  to our students. It's a long-term investment   building a new school. And so, I've already shared  some of the examples. Uh when we look at adding   permanent buildings, um these are sightspecific.  Typically they're based on educational need and   steady increase. The capacity added is between  100 and 200 students and implementation is about  

126two to four years. Um this can cost anywhere  from 2 million to 40 million depending on the   size of the building. Just one story if you do a  a double uh twotory building. We saw some of those   at Elkrove High School as a good example. um or  CTE buildings that we've put into place over the   um over the last few years. Um we can also  modernize permanent learning environments and   bring them up to code when we do these um building  additions. And so they're they're not as flexible   as a relocatable, which we'll talk about, but a  little more flexible than a new school because   it's a new building and it it can be adjusted  to program. Relocatables are the most flexible.   um they are short-term uh temporary capacity um  and sometimes like they're for unexpected

127growth.   So depending on how many uh relocatables  we land it could be anywhere from 25 to   100 students thinking about approximately 25  students per classroom. Uh that can be done in   6 to 12 months. All of these projects have to go  through the division of state architects and you   know we have to meet building code when we do it.  So nothing is real fast in facilities. Estimated   costs could be a million dollars just um landing,  making sure we have the right utilities and and   um and so a cheaper option, but certainly uh uh  more temporary. When we think about instructional   uh quality, um these are limited amenities and  lifespan. So we um we don't see these as ideal   learning environments in the long term. They can  have they can be a quick fix. Um we

128see that at   Miwok we have growth right now in South Elk Grove.  Um the team was able to um to place uh five or   six portables um for this year to accommodate  the immediate growth as Arbor Ranch is fully   um built out and minimize um some of the  offloading that had to be done. Um those   portables will be lifted and removed once Arbor  Ranch is um is fully built and operational.   So they're highly flexible because of that. Um and  we have some different examples. So a lot of time   on this table, but really these are how we weigh  the different types of options. And each school is   um is like a case byase analysis of those things.  Boundary adjustments. Uh we've alluded to that.   So, uh, typically we do this when we have  growth or

129new school construction. We're   going to have an example of this this, um,  uh, in a a bit later in the presentation. Uh,   and we'll take a look at current boundary schools  that are affected. Um and and when we do that, we   try to align those boundaries with housing growth  um and um things that provide us uh sustainable   feeder patterns into our middle schools and  high schools. We haven't done as much of this,   but it is an option for consideration perhaps in  the future is when we have declining enrollment,   we can consider boundary changes to better utilize  capacity at schools where there might be some some   decline. So, so we have a lot of schools. Are  there are there little boundary changes that we   could make to fill those schools? When schools  uh are really working

130at 85% of their capacity,   typically you have um more staff to address need,  more programs, more inclusive environments. When   schools get too small, some of those things  start to go away. Um, so when we're looking   at boundary adjustments, we're looking at  enrollment trends, school capacity, equity,   um, walkability and transportation, and certainly  community feedback and, um, and we do it to make   sure that we have equitable access to programs  and we're efficiently using district resources. Calendar considerations is another tool that we  have. Um, a year- round calendar can increase   capacity at elementary schools um by rotate  rotating students through different tracks,   allowing more students uh than the building  was originally designed for. So, when we do   a track model, it typically increases the  capacity of a school site by about 25%   um without having to add

131a new building or or land  portables. um it really eliminates that need for   additional classrooms. We've historically used  those year- round calendars and um it allows us   to avoid the need for the new construction um  especially when growth can outpace the funding   or the land availability. So, we'll talk more.  We've got two examples today in the presentation.   Regardless of what strategy that we use, they  all take planning, monitoring, uh, and a lot of   time for, uh, for adequate communication, uh, for  feedback. Um, they're governed by board policies.   We don't we don't make stuff up. We we go based  on, um, what our policies, what education code   says that we need to do. Um but we understand the  massive impact any one of these um strategies can   have on a family and so we want to

132make sure that  um that we're thoughtful and that we are hearing   all voices before decisions are made. Okay. So now  we're going to move into um specific projects that   we've focused on. So last year we were looking  at Franklin Elementary School. Um I'm not going   to read this entire summary, but what you have is  a summary of information that the team has been   monitoring um regularly as we were making those  decisions. So, we were considering uh making the   recommendation to move Franklin Elementary School  to a year- round calendar. Since the time of that   recommendation, which was almost a year ago, was  November of 24, we have received new information.   This is the importance of the monitoring.  And so, we um we look across multiple years.   uh we put our data scientist hat on and say

133okay  are we trending in that uh in what direction for   Franklin Elementary in particular um there  was some development that was in there that   we thought was going to come faster than that's  now anticipated and so what that did is it really   slowed down what we thought was going to happen  when the team identified that we brought it up   and really For Franklin, we are saying keep them  on a traditional calendar. There's no need right   now to move them to a year round. Wanted to use  Franklin as a as an example where we might have   information we're going to bring to you and then  we're going to we're going to keep monitoring that   and should the the recommendation change, we're  going to make sure that um you understand why we   make those adjustments. Adriani Elementary 

134School is uh the other elementary school   we've been monitoring for several years. We're  currently offloading approximately 80 students   because of the impact of the growth. That means as  a reminder that when we're offloading a student,   students that live in that home boundary  aren't able to attend their home school.   So last year we started the engagement process um  and we want to hear from uh multiple perspectives.   So, um we we understand that um for the parents  whose students are offloading, that's upsetting   because they're not going to the school that um  they're homeschooled. And that's often what we   want as parents is, you know, you purchase a home  in a neighborhood and you expect to go to a school   uh that's close, walkable, or just within  within um your little cohort of neighbors   that you have. On

135the other hand, we have um you  know, should we go into a year- round calendar,   we have the impact of schedule adjustments. And  when you are you have a a child in an ele I have   a child in an elementary school and I have a child  in a junior high and that becomes really difficult   to manage as well. And so those become the what  we have to weigh in the recommendation that we   have knowing that both perspectives are valid.  Um uh th those are things that we consider and   try to hear when we are out engaging with the  community. So when we look at the data and we   continue to look at and and hear what we heard  through the community feedback which was both   of those things. I want to I want my child

136to  attend the home school and I don't want my school   to go to a year- round calendar. It's just too  difficult because I have kids across our system.   So the planning team we took a step back and  we said okay and if you go back to that table   we said what could we do? So could we land  relocatables? Yes we can land relocatables.   What we've learned about landing relocatables at  Adriani is we could get approximately three. it   would be costly because it's not the utilities  aren't quite there. And with new enrollment and   residential development if we were to land um uh  our portables, that would maybe be 80ish students,   which is approximately where we're how many we're  offloading right now. We would be back having this   conversation in about five years with the growth  that's

137coming. So if we land relocatables, it's an   option, but it's not a long-term solution. So then  we looked at potential boundary changes. We said,   okay, could we do this in a different way? And  so the team crafted different scenarios which   I'm not even I'm not even going to bring except  just to tell you that um it would be carving out   a bit of the southern part of Adriani boundary  and the northern part which would mitigate the   overcrowding at Adriani itself but it would  impact Pleasant Grove Elementary School and   Sunrise Enterprise. And so both of those would be  now um facing the same type of growth situations   that Adriani is. Um so that did not feel or seem  like a viable situation to um plus students who   are currently attending Adriani would no longer be  in

138that school boundary which also has an impact.   Um so with the information and discovery uh we  are still standing here making a recommendation   for a yearround conversion. Uh there's more work  to to be done certainly and what we would um what   we would do is work with the principal, our school  leadership partners, the community um explaining   really what we're explaining here, the different  options and and outweighing the cost benefit and   um you know, should you move in that direction, we  would work through that for an implement mentation   in 2728. So we'd have another year of planning  and what we would work on the facilities team   with school leadership is um the similar to  Miwok where we have a few portables that can   manage the offloads so more of those students  could stay at their home

139school as we work to   do a calendar conversion. So, um there's no action  today, but um discussion. We want some feedback,   see if we need to, um continue to understand  things that we might not that we might not be   seeing or we might be missing. Um but right now,  that's what we're um we're still recommending. Okay, boundary adjustments. So shifting gears  slightly uh I think we get to go through every   single one of the tools that I have brought up. So  boundary adjustments. So very exciting. Um we are   in the process of building a new school grant  line um which will not be grant line um soon.   Uh and we need to have a boundary adjustment  as we go through that. And so, as a reminder,   grant line opens July of 2026. And so, um,

140what  you've been provided, what we'll have out here and   what we'll be sharing with the community are the  boundary studies that, um, we did. And so, what   we'll be doing is looking to split the Sunrise  Elementary boundary. Um and it will be add the new   grant line school will be added to the um Albiani  Middle School and the Pleasant Grove High School   feeder pattern. And so we have been studying  solutions governed by our board policies trying   to balance the enrollment between the two schools.  We're looking at the new housing development,   the neighborhood's proximity to schools and the  other we also look at um geographical markers. So,   um, large roadways, wetlands areas, those sorts of  things that help us create natural boundaries. And   so, when we look at the the studies, um, what you  can see

141on your far left is the current boundary   that we have. So, we've got, um, on the map in  yellow, we have Begarvey Elementary's boundary.,   we have Sunris's boundary in the light blue. And  um what you'll see so Sunrise and MacGarvey are   the red stars. That's where our schools currently  are. You can see Grant Line to the far east of the   blue portion. And then you can see the Sun Creek  Middle School High School approximate location.   And so that that's what we're looking at. And so  we did two studies really trying to think through   the long-term changes uh geographic boundaries.  And so um grant line um the study a you can see   how sunrise um starts to shrink and um that  taking the enrollment for sunrise if we were   to go forward with study A um

142uh to 91 and and so  you can see it stays at like a study just below   um a thousand students. grant line um would be a  much smaller school in the 600s and you can see   kind of where they would go long term. The study  option B um you can see that the blue boundary has   been extended closer um to um uh to the to the  grant line. So the g the gray shade in that in   those and all of them are the wetlands area. So  there's no development that can be done there.   I say I think that's a important thing to to note  that we're not going to get new residential growth   in that particular area. It's protected. And so  as we looked at balancing the school and m making   sure that we didn't

143have too much impact, um  we're going to likely recommend uh study B for the   boundary change. What's going to happen is next  week we'll be um uh having our community meeting   um getting feedback um wondering concerns. There's  about 3,600 homes that would be impacted by   um any of these changes and they're getting  information uh and an invite for a session so   they can um weigh in. We'll record that session  and um and make it available on our website for   anyone that can't make that meeting. Uh  we presented this information initially   uh to cabinet back in July. We're here today um  with the first blush. Um we've got our um virtual   community meetings to present the boundary  option and then um we'll provide an update   at September on September 9th and then should  we be ready

144to finalize that recommendation um   we would come at the end of September. If we need  more time then we'll take the time that we need. There are more boundary studies  coming, but not for today. Arbor   Ranch is planning an opening in July  of 27. Um we'll be looking at Miwok   um village boundary and then Arbor Ranch  will be added into the Pinkerton Casumnus   Oaks high school feeding feeder system. And  then we have the Sun Creek Middle High School   projected to open in 2029 and that will be formed  by changing the Albiani Middle School and the PG   um school boundary and so that will be a much  bigger one but something to look forward to. Okay, other upcoming projects um for  consideration. So, Sierra Enterprise H is   um one of our older schools and uh has

145a  lot of facility need. it is eligible for   um state facility funding dollars and uh the  team has really run through different approaches   to what's the best path forward for Sierra  Enterprising Enterprise knowing um the amount   of work that we have uh to do. So we can take a  look at modernizing the current Sierra building.   Um, we've got matching funds available by the  state of about $3 million. Or we can look at new   construction. Um, and if we did new construction,  we would be eligible for approximately $42 million   from the state. So, just to give you an idea of  um how we try to leverage other funding sources,   not just ours, to do this facility work. Um  so whether we modernize or whether we do new   construction, both projects have similar costs.  Um but when

146we start to really look at the needs   at Sierra and the where the uh where the students  live, we're really kind of leaning towards a new   school option. And I'll explain more. So, um, when  we look at Sierra, Sierra is, um, uh, north and,   um, really there's not a whole lot of residential  right around, uh, Sierra Enterprise, meaning we   transport a lot of students, uh, to Sierra. Um  we do own a site already called Vineyard Point   um in that neighborhood and it is in the same  boundary as Sierra Elementary School. So when   we started to really analyze who's attending  Sierra, where do they live? And I'll show you   in momentarily. Um most of them are in and around  the site that we own that's not developed yet,   but um we call it Vineyard Point. So

147um and it's  here. So you can see Sierra Enterprise in a in the   green in the north and then the site that we own  is the blue circle towards the south boundary and   um where our where the students live in Sierra. Um  the yellow shows the high density and you know of   course there's kind of scattered throughout the  entire boundary but most of the students that   we serve at Sierra live right in that Vineyard  Point neighborhood. And so something that has been   a model in Elk Grove is um when we have schools  similar to Sierra that need a lot of work through   modernization, we've been able to either on that  site or on another site build the school again.   And so that is something that we are um looking  to um get feedback and make

148a recommendation is   to rebuild Sierra Enterprise onto the Vineyard  um onto the Vineyard Point site to one address   all of the um like serious facility needs that  exist over at Sierra, but also um operate um So,   so more students can walk to school. They're  really more in their neighborhood. Um, it   would ease transportation. Um and Sierra would be  reutilized perhaps as an operational hub that can   help um help with facilities especially for those  um departments that can serve the east side of the   district without having to traverse the entire  um distance of the of the school district. So,   nothing totally there on the operational  side, but um certainly looking very soon   to to bring forward a formal recommendation to  rebuild Sierra at the Vineyard Elementary site. Always want to give an update on where we

149are  with the new um middle school high school. Um   so we are on track to open in the phased  approach July of 2029. Typically we open   uh our our high school middle schools and high  schools uh 7th through 10th grade. Uh right now   we're currently um working on engagement with  design. Um we have met with cabinet we met   with the subarchitect committee back in July  to get an update. um currently uh scheduling   and having appointments with department leads and  sites to get their feedback on what we need for   um a school and then um the the next step is  to take that information and work get out with   the community. Um so those are the activities  currently scheduled uh July through October.   We met as a team yesterday afternoon working  on a communication plan. So

150at the same time,   we're working on the facilities planning. We're  also trying to do better about making sure that   we have a communication plan that is running  simultaneously so everyone knows where we are   at what step. We know there's a lot of interest  um and a lot of questions that come with not just   with this project but really all of our facilities  projects and um so working hard to make sure that   we're we're as intentional with the communication  plan as we are with the building design. So, as um Superintendent Hoffman said,  at the top of the day, there is a lot of   um work over the next I would say um 1 to 24  months in um facilities and planning and certainly   um our school leadership team is like  deeply embedded into this work. But

151I   I want to just call out um some of the asks  that are going to be coming in the future.   um grant line 208. Um we didn't talk about school  names. It was just one more thing we couldn't fit   in today. Um but we'll be talking about a school  boundary. We'll bring for back information about   how the community meeting went on the boundary  adjustment. Um those will be coming September,   October. For Arbor Ranch Elementary Schools,  we have site acquisition that we're working   on and finalizing. We're also working on school  name and the boundary um work will come shortly   thereafter again by September October. For  the Sun Creek Middle School High School,   we're working on site acquisition and engagement  sessions and those um we hope to have completed   by October. For Arnold Adriani Elementary School,  um

152bring forward a formal recommendation for the   2728 school year. Um we need to have that u by  November. Sierra Enterprise and Vineyard Point   um rebuild um bringing forward a project  recommendation by November. And then   um we haven't even talked about Measure N,  but just as a reminder, we do have a a bond   um that will be bringing information forward um  looking for uh an initial sale the spring of 2026. And with that, I invite any questions. I'm sure  there are no questions. Can't imagine this group   wouldn't have questions. Yeah. Um, Miss Alani,  are there any blue cards on this item? We do   have two blue cards on this item. We'll start  with Mark. We'll follow with um Mr. Rendent Richard. Uh, good morning. My name is Mark. I'm an alumni  of the Elkrove Unified School

153District and have   been a resident of Elkrove for over 30 years.  Before starting, I just want to acknowledge   acknowledge the district's proactive steps in  addressing the growth in our Elkrove schools.   This is an important subject that needs  discussion, evaluation, and decisive action.   All three of my kids should be attending  Arnold Adriani Elementary School. However,   my twin daughters were selected to be offloaded  and now go to Pleasant Grove Elementary School.   The district policy to allow siblings to  be split between two different elementary   schools negatively impacts families by limiting  parent capacity and increasing family hardship   and stress. There are many other families who  are in the same position as us but cannot make   it today to voice their thoughts and experience.  I can confidently state we as parents absolutely   do not want this to happen to our

154children again  next school year. Especially since some of the   families including myself with offloaded children  we live literally live across the street from the   school from Adriani or some of them live within  the Wall Hawk residential community. In addition,   there are now new homes and apartments being  built within the Adriani school boundary,   which will only compound the student enrollment  problem. Therefore, um as we come today, we should   implement one of those following options that we  have been discussing. Um as option one would be   building portables or relocatables um classrooms  to meet current and future enrollment demand.   This investment is less costly than building a  new elementary school as you can see or adding   permanent structures to Adriani. Option two would  be adjusting the school boundary. This option can   improve and balance capacity between Adriani and 

155nearby elementary schools without a significant   fiscal impact. Option three is the yearround  calendar conversion which is least popular   with Adriani parents. However, I see it, it's  the most feasible, cost-effective, and fastest   implementation option. As a parent, I would highly  prefer uh portables or relocatables. Um, but I'm   open to adjusting the school boundary or even  year- round calendar versions. At the end of the   day, a course of action needs to be implemented  sooner rather than than later because randomly   selecting offloading 60 plus kids to another  school simply must be avoided next school year.   We want what's best for our children and  we want them to return to their return to   their home school of Adriani Elementary.  I want to just thank you for your time,   consideration, and commitment to  our Adriani offloaded kids. Thanks. My name

156is Richard Art. I'm here to express  my concern regarding the current school zoning   boundaries for the branch of Verie neighborhood  next to the intersection of Willard Parkway in   Bilby Road. Under the current school assignments  for middle and high school, students are required   to attend schools that are much farther from  our homes despite the fact there are closer   schools within a much more reasonable distance.  My family lives in a ranch of neighborhood and my   daughter is a student at Franklin Elementary. She  began sixth grade two weeks ago. When my daughter   enters the seventh grade in August of 2026, the  current school boundaries will require her to   attend Elizabeth Pinkerton Middle School, which  is farther from our home than Toby Johnson Middle   School. Likewise, when she reaches high school,  she'll be assigned to Cassumnus Oaks High School  

157instead of Franklin High School, even though  Franklin High School is closer to where we live.   Back in 2014, my son was required to attend  Cassumnus High School. For several years,   I drove him to school each morning from our  home in Rancho Verie. His commute each day   was much longer than it would have been had  he attended Franklin High School. It is now   2025 and the current boundaries for Rancho  Verdie neighborhood still remains the same.   It is unfair that children are required to  travel farther from their homes to attend   school, especially when schools closer  to our neighborhood are available. Also,   given there has been extensive growth of new  neighborhoods built off Bruceville Road, there   will be a large influx of new students attending  schools. Rancherverted children are currently   zoned to attend. My daughter has been a

158part of  Franklin Elementary community since kindergarten,   growing and forming friendships over the years.  Next school year, she'll be required to attend a   new school surrounded by unfamiliar faces due  to the current zoning boundaries for Vverde.   I believe this is unfair and I'm afraid it would  negatively impact her. She can't walk to school.   It is not equitable. On a more personal level,  the increased distance my daughter would need   to travel to school to attend school farther from  her home presents a sign significant challenge for   our family. It would require both her mother  and me to adjust our daily work schedule,   extend commute times for drop offs and pickups,  and manage transportation logistics. These added   demands risk impacting our jobs and could  lead to unintended consequences at work,   placing additional stress on our family. I  respectfully urge

159the board to consider revising   the current school zoning boundaries for ranchover  neighborhood. Allowing students to attend schools   closer to home would not only ease the burden of  longer commutes for families, but also help ensure   that children are allowed to learn alongside  friends they have grown up with. It is only fair   and right that children, families, and taxpayers  of Ranchie neighborhood to have the opportunity   to attend schools that are closer to home. As  we know, Elkrove is expanding a growing and a   change to school zoning bound needs to happen now  for Ranch of Vvery. Thank you. Thank you both. Excellent. Thank you very much. Uh, all right.  We will move to board member questions and   comments. We'll start on this side this  time. Miss Davis. Well, thank you for   the thorough presentation. I don't have any 

160questions right now. Thank you, Miss Albiani. Um, this is why I I I I so appreciate a workshop  because you can really dig into some stuff. So,   thank you. Thank you for the great presentation. I  think you made it clear. Um, I do have a question   on Sorry, I can't find what slide it is. Um,  you talk about students coming into Adriani   and students going out of Adriani. Are we bringing  in um is that have to do with our sped classes and   our special things to be able to keep neighborhood  children there? Is that talking about TK having to   be started there? I'm I'm trying to understand  what that is. It's largely our special education   programs. Adriani is a site where we're able to  offer continuity in program for our students.   And so um many

161of those students that are  coming in are um in our levels classes that   we have all levels classes. Okay. Um that was  my biggest question. Thank you. Miss Ballerini.   Okay. I have a few questions. Um I'm going to  piggyback on Mr. Art for a quick second. Um,   if you go to page 10 and you're you can look at  the schools that are experienced decline versus um   versus growth. Um you can see that Johnson Middle  School current well not currently it was last year   um were at 82% and it's predicted to go lower  down to 69% by 2930 and Franklin's on that list   as well. Um I I know boundary changes is something  we can look at as we go along and I brought this   up. I can't even remember um last year sometime  myself because

162that is where my grandchildren live   as well. They're friends with Gabby over there.  It's a little tiny area that if we just included   that into the Franklin area, there are I believe  it's it's either 234 or 243 homes in that area,   which um those poor students last year. I knew I  know a sixth grade student, Sophia, who was the   only student at Franklin Elementary that had to  go all the way to Cassundus Oaks and Pinkerton.   And that really at that time in their lives,  it's very difficult for them to do that. Um,   I think that's something we need to look at in  addition to all of these other things we've got.   It wouldn't take much to make that change and I  would definitely appreciate it as well as all of   the other people in that

163neighborhood. That  I'm just putting that out there. Thank you.   All right. Um do you have an estimate of cost um  for year round versus traditional? I don't. Yes,   I don't have that right here. It is slightly  more expensive to operate a year round just   with staffing cost. Um it's there are so there  are drawbacks. Um uh the um the staff um receive   higher salaries because of the nature of the year  round schedule. uh it can be more difficult to   maintain uh and so um on an annual basis there is  a slight slightly higher cost per year to operate   a year round calendar. We did that analysis that  was based on feedback from the community when we   were out there. Um and so we weigh that with a  new building or all of those things. So

164okay,   that's what I was thinking. And just I'm just  putting this out there also since I've been   with the district for 31 years working and then  now um year- round calendars are not just for   elementary schools. When I was working in 96 at  Harriet Eddie all of the middle schools were on   a year round calendar at the time. So that is  something that we've done before if we need to   do that for overcrowding out there. Just throwing  that out there. Um, okay. And Miss Albiani asked   the questions. I was trying to figure out that  why are they receiving students if there's no   room at Adriani as well? Um, I believe that's  it I've got. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,   Miss Moore. Yes. Thank you. I am very appreciative  that we are having this presentation

165and these   conversations because I get many emails from  parents. Um many of these schools and um issues   that we discussed today are in my area and so I'm  glad that we um are addressing this issue. I would   like to say I mean I know that we have to go into  this item in depth and it's time consuming but I   do the feedback that I get from the community  is that they feel that it is hard for them to   be involved and participate when we have to have  um when we have these facility discussions during   the daytime and so um in the future when  we're having these presentations I think   it might be nice to consider having them um in  the evening time when more people can attend. And   um that being said, I do have

166some questions and  comments. Um on um let's see, on slide 12, you you   uh I'll just go in order. Slide 12, you discussed  parking. Um, I just want to point out that I   have previously advocated specifically at PGHs  that that is a huge um, issue and we're still,   let's see, four years out from a new school that  will alleviate, you know, the overcrowding there.   So, I would like us to continue to look at what  we can do for to address parking needs because   currently all sophomores are not eligible for  a parking pass at that school and some junior   for the juniors it's a lottery system and when we  look at the demographic of the students attending   that school it's um Rancho Marietta Wilton Rancho  Cordova Vineyard um areas that are not walkable   bikable areas. Um,

167and so I know that for a lot  of parents when their kids are about to turn 16,   that's something they look forward to for a  long time because it's one less stress. Uh,   you know, oh, my child can um drive themselves  to school, potentially drive their siblings to   school if they have middle school students and  things like that. Um, and some sophomores are   turning 16 at the beginning of their school  year. And so that's, you know, I just want to   point that out again that that is a frustration  that the community has um and that we need, if   we're going to overload these schools, we need to  look at those needs, especially for schools where   um with this type of demographic. Um and then um  on page um 15 um I I just had a

168question. What is   the lifespan of most portables? I think we're  eligible for modernization 20 years. 20 years.   So they they last 20 years before they need to  be modernized. Okay. Yeah. We we are very if   it's not moved in between sometimes because being  relocatable we don't sometimes wait the full 20   years if there's a need someplace else. Okay. And  one thing I did learn since I've been on the board   is that and we can re use refurbished portables  which is much more uh affordable. Uh, so I I think   that's a good option because we do want to be um  fiscally responsible, but sometimes that is a good   option and um to use the refurbished um to save  money but also meet a need. Um um on slide 17,   I just have a few comments about

169year round. Um  because I just want to point out that it is more   challenging to convert um an existing school in  an established community to year round versus   um opening a school year round because it really  does change. um that is really difficult for   parents and especially when they've moved into  a community and that um thinking or knowing   that that was their um you know that their child  would be attending a year round school. Um and   I think that we need to be honest with parents  about the challenges and some of the negative   realities of the track calendar and that is not  in my observations that has not been um the uh   what what we have done. Um like previously the  superintendent said, "Oh, you know, you can go   to Disneyland in February and then

170um I attended  the Adriani community meeting when they were   discussing this um when the the district staff was  discussing this with the parents and they said,   "Oh, you can go skiing in January." And that upset  a lot of parents um because you can't go skiing in   January if you have kids in middle school. uh if  you have some children, yeah, maybe you have some   children in elementary, but if you have kids in  middle school and high school or job constraints,   it's not like you can just take off and go skiing  in January. And so, we need to be honest. Yes,   that for some people that might be an option um  that they have flexibility in family vacation,   but that's not really the case if they have older  children or job constraints and things like that.  

171So we I think we need to be honest um because  I don't I don't think sugar coating things um   is helping um you know it's make that doesn't that  just upsets people um and and also if if children   are put on C or B track they basically don't have  any summer um summertime off with older siblings.   So, it it really is um a big concern for for  families that have um children on traditional   schedule, older children on traditional schedules.  So, we just need to be honest about that. Um, and I have been asking also for a long time  about attendance rate, attendant rates,   um, daily attendance rates in traditional  versus calendar schools, and I've still   not received that because I know personally  many families who do take off um, summertime,   like if their child goes

172back to school on  track system and their older children are   still on the traditional schedule, they will  pull their child, younger child out of school   for a week or more um at times to you know to  go on vacation. So I would just like to know   if that is something I you know I would like  to know what the the numbers are for that. Um on slide 18 um can you tell us a little bit about how we are  seeking the parent input? Yeah. So um for I'll   I'll use the year-round um conversion conversation  that we started back last November with both   Franklin and um Adriani. And you can see the the  timeline that's actually from the November board   presentation um last last year. But we present an  initial recommendation to the board and then

173we   um we go and we meet with the site staff  and then we meet with the community. Uh   I believe we did a survey. And so that's  how we're really garnering and trying to   get the community and the site feedback  because it impacts the staff at each at   at the site as well. And then we boil  that information, triangulate the data,   and then just like I explained with the feedback  that was coming from Adriani in particular,   we wanted to go back and and see was were there  other options that we could consider? And so the   the relocatables, portables, that is a short-term  viable solution, but but we will be back here in   5 years having the exact same conversation and  the blueprint. So the makeup of Adriani as a site   is not going to be

174conducive for that long term  both with for lots of reasons, parking, pickup,   um we don't have the space for um playgrounds  or um or or the restroom space. So we can do   that short term, but we do need a longer term  solution for Adriani. The boundary changes would   have been incredibly disruptive and impactful.  And so um so I don't need to go through all of   that. I had already done that. But I guess  what I'd like to share is that when we get   the feedback from the site and we get the survey  feedback and the community feedback, we do go back   and go through all of our list of strategies and  okay, did we not did we miss something? Is there   a better option knowing that every single  one of those strategies has its drawbacks.

175Okay. Thank you. And um I would I would like to  thank the gentleman who came today and shared   his concerns about his younger children being  offloaded. And that is a common concern I've heard   um from many parents. And it's very difficult for  them because um they are having their child their   younger child offloaded to a completely different  school. Um and some some of them are even saying   they don't have um they're not being provided  or there's not room for the afterchool programs   for that younger child. So then what do working  parents do when their younger child is at Pleasant   Grove Elementary and their older children are at  Adriani? Um and then you reference we reference   in this slide board policies um 5116 6117 and ED  code 37611. I would just like to point out that  

176in board policy 5116 um we say when possible  siblings will be allowed to attend the same   school. But ED code 37617 states um the governing  board of any school district operating pursuant to   the provisions of this chapter shall divide the  students of each selected school into as many   groups as necessary to adequately accommodate  a continuous school program. So established and   conduct and conducted students of the same family  shall be placed in the same group unless one or   more of such students is enrolled in special  education class or unless the parent or guardian   of such students requests that students be placed  in different groups. Um so our current policy um   5116 is not in line with ED code and furthermore  it's not even cohesive with um our board policy   6117 because 6117 says students of the

177same family  shall be placed in the same group or track unless   one or more of such students are enrolled in  a special education class or unless the parent   guardian requests that the students be placed in  different groups. So board policy 6117 um is in   line with egg code 37617 referencing that siblings  should be kept together. Board policy 5116 is not.   So um we I I have questioned why we're offloading  these younger siblings. Younger siblings who have   students uh older siblings who are established at  a school should not be put in a lottery with other   students. they need to be prioritized because  according to ED code, families should be kept   together. So, we really need to look at this and  I feel really bad um for the families who have   been put in this situation and

178I hope that this is  not happen again. Um so, moving on to slide 21. Um on page 20, it said that we had placed a portable  at Franklin Elementary School. Um and then that   you you mentioned that that helped alleviate the  situation. Um well in in part that that helped   to alleviate the you know the situation there that  um it's no longer um recommended to go to the year   round but for Adriani um we have not implemented  any portables. I know you said that we could only   um potentially implement three, but I would  like to see that we consider that um before   we we go to year round or um uh you know, I know  many schools where we've implemented portables   and I know that parents Adriani are questioning  why that has not been done

179there before looking   to going year round. So, I just would like to  point that out. I did have a question on slide 24   um regarding the boundary changes or the  boundary alignment. Um, so I I understand that   um you were looking at or we're looking at the,  you know, the natural like the wetlands um border,   but I I was just looking at the numbers at the  bottom of that page and there's and Sunrise either   option Sunrise has a significantly higher student  population and um the projection only goes out to   2829, but are you projecting that further down the  road those numbers will that um for example that   grant line 208 will continue to increase and that  sunrise will continue to decrease because it just   seems like a really big discrepancy like either  way. Yeah, I

180think we are projecting that sunrise   will remain stable but grant line will continue  to increase with the new growth and development.   Yeah, it's just a matter of whether you would  start um the new school at a even smaller number   than you might otherwise because of that natural  boundary knowing well all of that green fills in   that if you go down Douglas and that whole area  that's that's where a significant amount of the   um development is happening right now. So, it  will fill in, but it's just a matter of do you   want to try to balance them more at the very  beginning, but then Sunrise long term would   be smaller. And that group of folks that's there  in that that green space on the other side of the   um the wetlands, while they've done a nice

181job,  there's walkways and there there's there's ways   to get there. Um it would make sense I think  to keep all of them from the um to the east   of the uh wetlands that it's more cohesive than  having a carved out spot on the other, you know,   that's really connected to the other neighborhood.  But that's the conversation we'll have with the   board and the board can give us direction which  way they'd want to go. Okay. I just wanted to   clarify that it because that makes more sense  if if you're predicting that Sunrise area will   stabilize um and that the Grant Line 208 area  will continue to grow. So that makes more sense.   I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. Um and  then uh slides 28 through 30. I I really want to   say thank you

182for addressing Sierra Enterprise.  I've visited that school a couple times. Um, and   I know that the principal and the staff are really  concerned um that you know the site just hasn't   been updated in years um overall and there's a lot  of issues as you you know you um validated that.   So I appreciate that and I I'm really excited  that we're considering either a modernization or   um the new build. And another huge issue there as  you mentioned is the accessibility and it really   just doesn't feel like a community school. like  it's not walkable like all the things that you   mentioned. Um and so I'm really excited that  we're considering this. To me, it makes sense   um to if we have to make those modernizations  anyway. Um you know, costwise, it looks like it's   going to be

183comparable if not more affordable um  to build the to build the new school and that it   makes sense with the the density and everything  that you were sharing and the accessibility. Um,   so I'm really excited that we're doing that or,  you know, considering that. Um, I I know that   that would be amazing for for the staff and the  students and the community. I'm really excited   about that. Um, and if I did have a question,  maybe you said this and I'm sorry if I missed it,   but if that was if we did that, what would be  the opt or what would be the timeline predicted   timeline for that if if we move that forward?  um knowing that in the next few months we would   um bring that forward for a project um for  appro consideration and

184approval that we   would anticipate to have um either the modernized  or the new school um ready to go July of 2028. That's very exciting. Okay. Um, and I appreciate the emphasis that you shared  about communication. And I do think that is   really important because um a lot of these um like  I said I've been contacted by many constituents   in like the in these various areas Adriani Sarah  Enterprise and Rancho Cordova area and they just   feel that their areas are not uh are forgotten  or the schools aren't being built or their their   voices you know their concerns about growth aren't  um heard or you know various situations. And so   I'm glad that we had this um presentation to let  the community know that we are we are addressing   these needs and I you know a lot

185of exciting  um exciting news and so I'm glad that we are   communicating that to the to everyone. Um, and  one last thing I'd like to advocate for is that I   previously said this, but I would like to see that  we consider implementing exit surveys when people   leave the leave a school. Uh, or I mean I guess  our district just so that we can understand what   if it, you know, if they moved, if they decided to  homeschool, if they it was an interdist transfer,   things like that. so we can understand maybe why  why people are leaving and um so and that's all   my comments. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you  Miss Bowwin. Just want to say thank you for   the um presentation. This is really helpful.  Um and it is very dense. Um I do appreciate  

186um just kind of giving us like an expectation  of what's to come and what we really need to be   considering. Um, I hope that the public knows that  we take um the impacts to families seriously. Um,   I know personally what it's like to have  your child offloaded and have your children   um, you know, on two different buses in  three different schools in a school year.   It is extremely hard. It is extremely hard. Um,  however, I say that knowing that it's also our   way as a district to be fiscally responsible and  also to really um consider how we grow and develop   and being a sustainable, thriving district. Um, we  you don't see schools that close in our community.   you don't see um drastic um depletions of  enrollment in areas and and not and not in others  

187um because the district is putting these efforts  together to do the research to collect the data   to analyze it and to make decisions that will keep  us uh a thriving district and maintain where we're   at. It is a Elk Grove is a sought-after place to  live. Um, which makes it a great place to be and   unfortunately it requires us to make some really  hard choices that do impact all our families. Um,   and some more than others. So, please, I hope  that the community knows that we do feel for   you and empathize and we will do our best to make  sound choices for our district that um hopefully   have the least impact on our families and the  community. But thank you for this. Thank you.   Great. Thank you. Um I have a couple of questions.  uh

188you know obviously these I completely agree   with my colleagues these are growing pains. One of  the challenges of being a growing district is that   we have to make tough decisions like this. Um just  regarding uh so starting with Adriani um how how   many schools in our district are year round right  now? 19. So that's almost half of our elementary   schools are year round. So we have some experience  doing this. Um, it's it's a tough position because   I look at the different options we have, you  know, for Adriani and I'm not a fan of portables.   Every everywhere I've seen them on in our schools,  they, you know, in some of our schools, they were   sitting on, you know, um, playgrounds and courts  and taking those opportunities away from kids.   They are not f, you know, they're

189not wonderful  places. They're not the places to learn that we,   you know, that we want for our students. And so  I'm really not a huge fan of those. If they're   appropriate in a given instance, then let's do  it and we need them. Um, you know, great. Um,   obviously changing boundaries is, you know,  fine if we can do it. But as this, you know,   as this points out, part of the challenge we're  having in that particular area is that all of   those schools are going to are going to see growth  in the next couple of years. And so adding moving   u some of the students into Sierra Enterprise  just creates problems for Sierra Enterprise. It   doesn't actually alleviate anything in the grand  scheme uh of the district. And you can see that in   uh you know

190the the slide where you show the  schools that are growing um you know fight Sierra   Enterprise Adriani um Floren Elementary right  those are all within a little halo of you know   you go back to another uh slide here and you see  there's a bunch of development in that particular   area right between Floren and Gerber um and so if  you go back if you go one slide forward yeah so   you see right around Floren Road and Gerber right?  Um there's that big chunk of uh you know of growth   happening and that's those schools right that that  are going to see growth in the future and a bunch   of that is yellow and green and so you know we're  the growth on uh you know the growth in the chart   you were showing us was only about

1913 years out  but a lot of this growth is going to happen 3 to   10 years from now and so you're going to continue  to see that growth in that area which highlights   how important it is to address these issues now  which is why you know we're looking at Sierra   White you're looking at Adriani and you know but  one of the challenges of that that I also want to   point out here and and and ask a little bit about  is changing to a um year round gives us about you   said 25% capacity there's a lot of growth here  are we still just kicking the can we're kicking   it further by changing to yearround at Adriani  but are We going to need a new school here at some   point. Yes, we've got the short answer is

192we've  got we've got some space reserved. But um yeah,   I kind of what I'm trying to get at here is um  you know, this is a growth area regardless. It's   not growing quite fast enough at this moment for  us to build a school. Um, you know, but I guess   my broader question is how are we managing this,  right? You know, because this is we're kicking the   can a little bit, right? We're kicking it as far  as we can by switching to a year round. Um, but   how are we managing that long-term growth in that  area because it does seem like there's quite a bit   of growth. I think the what the year round does  um and and we've said this a lot is if we didn't   have 19 schools on a year round we'd need

193anywhere  from five to if and we did nothing we would need   five to seven more elementary schools and it's 70  million right in current day that's unsustainable   and so uh it really is a combination of the tools  so the year round becomes a really important one   because it will mitigate the need for the the  quantity of new schools that we'll have. And so,   um, I don't mean to not answer your question, but  it the the year round conversion does become part   of the long-term most costefficient solution where  we might only need two more schools rather than an   additional five. Yeah. The other piece, Michael,  on that in that particular spot, so the yearround   um conversion definitely gives us space. um we  rebuild Sierra um and in that design we could   we could increase the capacity

194of that school  versus what Sierra currently is. Um and then   scheduling around that school. But you know the  the three schools that you see um on the screen   that was up there on slide eight. I mean we we  showed the two green spots cuz that's where you   see the crazy growth. But there's no doubt that in  that that center area if we were if we had a third   um circle that's where it would be. So um  it's definitely on the radar. Yeah. And so   I'm wondering, you know, at what point do we need  to start and I I feel like I'm just going to throw   us into a brier patch here. Um at what point do  we need to start having conversations if we're   talking about Sierra and we're talking about,  you know, Adriani, at

195what point do we need to   start having conversations about, you know, fight  and Floren Elementary and those because those are   growth areas. Those are schools that are going to  grow as well. They're already on. They're already   in the in the conversation. We just didn't want to  add two more. They thought it was in the immediate   piece. Yeah, but Floren Floren is definitely on  the on the radar on what we do uh with that and   it's another school that has significant need  from a from a site facility and without getting   too far ahead that one might be a situation where  we rebuild on the existing campus because there   might actually be physical room to do it cuz  then it really is a neighborhood school and if   you move if you relocated that school um I think 

196we get significant push back. So that might be   something like we did at Dillard or where where we  actually did a a rebuild on the um the update at   PG where we did a a rebuild basically on the same  campus but that's it's on the radar too. Um so   uh but again how many things we could actually  bring to you um in this presentation? Yeah,   it it was reduced but we do have property over in  the Floren area similar to where like Sierra and   Vineyard Point. So um so at a future meeting  we'll bring that project forward as well.   Yeah. And I think I just, you know, part of  why I'm asking these questions is I feel like,   you know, I know for families, it's their school.  That's their focus and it's incredibly important   for

197them. And I think that we as, you know, as  a district have a responsibility to mitigate,   ameliorate a lot of the issues that are created.  um you know but I also want to float up the fact   that this entire area is you know a a focal  point you know and how we are managing each   of these elementary schools and um the growth in  that area is going to be a continuous conversation   and it you know I don't want to lose sight  of that sort of um not just districtwide   but regionwide you know lens that we need to  look at it um you know as a school board Um a quick question on Sierra Enterprise. Um so the  numbers on slide 28. Um so that's a the available   matching funds is a big difference between the 

198two. And so part of what I'm curious about is   we have other schools um that we're building  other schools and we're going to be building   other schools for a little while. If we request  and receive 42 million to rebuild a school,   does that impact our eligibility to get that  funding, matching funding for new schools down   the line? Each school has eligibility itself. So,  it shouldn't impact the district as a whole. It's   just what we put in for the application process.  And certainly when you look at these numbers,   uh it definitely makes a lot more sense to go  for new construction just because of the the   funding that we would be entitled for. I think uh  entitled to rather we don't get that money right   away. That's the other thing, right? It takes it  takes several

199years um to get the money on return,   but it's it's actually how we continue to do  good facilities work. And I mean, it's been a   long-standing practice in Elgroveve where um  you queue in, you do this type of analysis.   Exactly. You put your application in. Um we're  able to maybe front some of the funds and then   years later when we're reimbursed by the state,  we're able to continue to do um the work on um   for other facilities that we have. Yeah. And the  other the other factor in there that um can slow   things up is whether there's existing capacity in  a state level bond. So we do so there is capacity   currently but there was a point in time where  we frontloaded I believe the building of three   schools and we were we were behind

200in getting um  getting reimbured and I think we're caught up on   all the all the actual um builds um but it there  was a long period of time where we were having to   frontload but right now there is there are there  is a bond at the state level which is helpful and   that's really like that's kind of what I'm getting  at here is um you know if if if this if get going   for this 42 million doesn't impact, you know,  doesn't impact our eligibility for other schools   going forward, right? Other new schools that we  need to build because it it looks like there's   going to be a bunch of them, right? Then like that  seems like a great idea. Um, but if we're going to   ask for this two 42 million and then the state

201is  going to say no to, you know, the next elementary   school we need to build in Rancho, right? That's  a different calculus because I would rather have   we more I would rather we have more schools and  more capacity than you know rebuilding as using   that to rebuild a school because then we're less  we have less capacity in growing areas. Um you   know so that's kind of what I'm curious about. It  sounds like that's not an issue. It's not an Yeah,   fortunately it's not an issue. Um, and what we're  going to do, so something might make perfect sense   to us, but what we want to do is make sure that  you're armed with all of the information so you   can make the best recommendation or we can make  the recommendation and you can give us direction  

202the best way you see fit. Okay, sweet. Then that  makes sense to me. Um, last question is looking at   the Rancho Cordova area. Um there is I'm looking  at that on slide seven. That big chunk of green. And so my thought process here is how fast do we  much as I hate to say it, how fast do we need to   start thinking about another elementary school  down there because we're just we're about to   finish one. um you know uh the grant line's cool  um and we're worrying about all these things and   which is great but if we've got 5,000 more homes  in that southern chunk which is going to be   attached to grant line um right one of which going  to be attached to one of our schools McGarvey   um you know suddenly we're going

203to have to  be splitting that off again and creating a new   elementary school and it depends on how fast that  happens right we're talking 5 to 10 years out here   but at what point do we need to start having that  conversation. I can tell you the planning team is   Yeah. Well, they're they're in it and um so  they they often are um they well they they   are they're the folks behind the scenes, but they  are constantly reaching out and like reaching out   to developers and monitoring and we work really  closely um in particular with the city of Rancho   um the assistant city manager to say, "Hey,  what's going on on your end?" And so we're in   constant communication not just on the projects  that we currently have active but you know what   are you noticing

204so we one have infrastructure  because that's also a challenge and um where   there hasn't been that develop that development  but the the planning we're we're doing it now is   what I would say and then what what we're trying  to do because we have we have to pace ourselves is   um kind of like the Floren conversation we're  we're ready to have that conversation, but   um uh we have to make sure that we're um you  know honoring a process that allows for input   and direction both from the community and  from the board so we're not moving so fast   that we're getting ahead of ourselves. And  so as we as we tackle these next uh 3 to four   months with um big decisions and not always easy  decisions then the next batch is going to come   um as

205we move into you know January through  through June and part of that is going to be   measure N which we didn't talk about really at  all. Okay comment. Yes please Miss Alani. Um,   I also want to give credit to the department  because um, a a few years back, many years back,   we got ahead of ourselves and then we ended up  with a school that didn't have students in it   because we had an unexpected dip in the economy  and we didn't grow and and so now these we're   fronting tens of millions of dollars. And so it  can be frustrating, I think, for the public and   people to see it should be built. You should have  it there ready. It should always be ready. But we   are living in a period of uncertainty which we  have to

206be so fiscally careful. I am so proud   of this district that we are not in headlines. We  there I'm getting things about people in trouble   right now all over the the state. And we we have  systems in place that we don't go there. And so as   frustrating as it can seem, it's kind of a process  like we get big, we go year round, then we're   bursting, then we move on. And it's just kind of  a process we followed. But I think we followed   it successfully. And when we broke from it, it  didn't go well. Like we ended up with a high   school that was pretty empty for a while. And then  then we're busting kids into it. Then they love   that high school and then we have to tell them,  "Oh, the growth happened. So

207now you all have to   go back home." and then they're not happy about  that. So, you just get yourself in pickles. So,   um I just think there's a lot of great work done  in the planning department and I and I think you   have great questions. I'm not putting that down,  but there's just that history, too. Mhm. So,   they've learned. Y and we appreciate it. So,  that is all the questions I have. Um and I think   we are Gosh, I think we are ready for lunch. No,  misspoke. All right. Consent agenda. Miss Alviani,   are there any blue cards on the consent agenda?  There are no blue cards. Excellent. Then I will   entertain a motion unless somebody would like  to pull an item from the consent agenda. Then   I will entertain a motion to approve items one 

208through three on the consent agenda. So moved.   Moved by Miss Alani. Second. Seconded by Miss  Bowwin. All those in favor, please say I. I.   Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank  you. We are now on to lunch. Uh board members,   this is going to be a quick lunch. This is an  opportunity to grab food and then come back to   the deis. Um and then we will start our next item.  So please take 15 minutes and then be back here. Okay. Especially right Oh, there was many times we  got snowed in and we always had way of life. self-sufficient and just well we were just  up there I was just up there you know door   shut down at 5:' you know it's restaurants by  seven you know haven't eaten or done Great. Who planet had things at

209the But like our liquor stores were  even if you didn't buy your alcohol. [Music] All right, folks. Let's slowly make our way back. That'll be good. So sense cabinets here. Oh, hey All right, Mr. Superintendent, do you want  to introduce this one? I will. So, thank you   very much. Uh, so very excited uh to have the  opportunity today uh to really going to do a   um a team development um session. Uh we have Mike  Merchant uh longtime friend of the district and uh   and working with the uh the Arbager Institute uh  with regards to the uh the outward mindset work.   So this will be a combination piece opportunity  for some board development piece. I know Mike will   get you up and out of your seats and engaged down  with each each other for part of

210the session. And   then towards the end of it, we will also kind  of build in a conversation around the um the   handbook and be able to take a look at some ideas  that the uh the members have shared as thoughts   u with regards to potential edits so we can have  that conversation um as well. So, super excited   to have uh Mike here. Um friend, friend friend  of the district, friend of mine. Um and has made   a huge impact on uh who the who the team is and  who we are as a district and opportunity kind of   um re-engage and so looking forward to the work,  Mike. So, thank you for being here. Thank you. No,   super glad to be here and I just in awe as I  walked into this room and it's the first

211time I've   seen it in person. So all I remember from being  here last time was moving those 50 lb folding   chairs around to do different things and so this  is beautiful and and uh what a great gathering   place for all of you as a board and those will  come and interact with all of you. So yeah,   so we wanted to do just a bit of a refresh and  for those who have been through the who have   participated previously some of the outward  mindset training and for those of you who are   new to that work, we'll give you a chance to be  introduced to some of the core ideas and concepts   and so but what we're going to do first to kind of  kick things off and by the way is there a clicker   I know

212there was going to be or oh it's on this  side. Perfect. You know I can find it. Perfect. I'm one of those folks at Rome. So, thank you.  But, um, let's see if we can get to move. There   we go. So, we're going to kick it off with just a  very simple tool. Those of you who've been with us   um when we've done some of our virtual events,  we've done this previously, which is just a meet   tolearn because we don't get an opportunity very  often as board members just to get to know each   other and to learn about each other. And so we're  going to have you, I know you're in the middle of   eating, but we'll have you maybe pick up and move  somewhere to where you're with somebody that maybe   you don't sit

213by as much, maybe you don't spend  quite as much time with. And we're going to do a   meet tolearn. You should have a copy of the meet  tolearn tool right there in front of you. And your   only objective when you do a meet tolearn, and you  guys can do a meet tolearn, too, if you'd like to,   but your only objective is just to get curious.  Just get curious. So you take a minute,   sit with a board member that maybe you don't  spend as much time with other that that you do as   much with others and just get curious about their  objectives, their ideas, their uh aspirations for   the district, some of their headaches, challenges.  Just learn all you can and write some notes. So   we'll take just about 15 minutes to do that.  You'll have

214seven and a half minutes each. So   you got seven and a half minutes to interview  somebody and they have seven and a half minutes   to interview you. Yeah. Just find a find a board  member you don't spend quite as much time with. All right. And Beth, who are you  sitting? Who you going to be with? Oh, there you go. Perfect. Perfect.  You guys, I know you guys hang out   together all the time. So, I know you  guys hang out together all the time. That's why it's good. Yeah. Just two more minutes. Two more  minutes and then we'll chair out. Okay. So, what we're going to do real quickly and  and I'll just go around and have you tell me who   you met with and then just something you learned  that you were either didn't know

215before today or   you were just reminded of today that helped  you see the other person as a person. Okay, I'll start on this since you guys  are wrapping it up. All right,   we'll just start. Who'd you meet  with and what did you learn? Uh,   I met with Susan and um I learned that she  has um a lot of life experiences um that um   seem valuable to her. Um, but also she mentioned  just challenges like generational challenges. Um,   and I learned that her family is very important  to her. She has many many roles outside of being   a school board member. Um, and let's see that  she something I learned about her is that one   of her needs is that she needs to see that she's  making a difference. Um, so Oh, awesome. Great. It is. Well,

216I met with Heidi and um I learned  the biggest thing about Heidi is she's an   advocate for many different things. Um patients,  community, kids, family, um her church. Um also,   I I learned that some of her challenges were  similar. Balancing life and finding time for   herself. Seems like she's so busy taking care of  other people. She needs to find time for herself   in her schedule. Um, one thing that that we both  needed um was surprising was affirmation from   people close to us that we're doing well. We're  doing okay. We're doing okay. Awesome. Awesome.   That was awesome. Awesome. Okay. Great. Okay. I  met with Michael and let's see, he has many, many,   many different roles as, you know, family roles  and he he volunteers in the community quite a bit.   He's also an attorney and a

217professor and a gunk.  And that's evidently very important. Ale. It's a   very specific kind of uncle. Yeah. You got to  tell me about this. What is a gungle? I don't   know what they call. Yeah. It's a gay uncle. Oh,  a gay uncle. Gungle. Simple as that. Apparently a   very specific kind of uncle. Well, I I have Yeah.  Well, that's awesome. There you go. I had to put   it in quotes on my paper so I didn't screw it up.  Um, let's see. some challenges. We kind of had   very similar challenges. We need more time, more  money, always. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Um and   communication is very important to both of us. Um  some of his headaches, dishonesty, unreliability,   and inconsistency, which we all deal with every  day. So, I'm trying to think if if that's

218anything   new. What what new? Um yeah, those are those are  pretty much it. There we go. There we go. Okay.   Yeah. Um, I met with Jennifer. Um, and I feel  like a lot of the, you know, roles are built   around family right now, which makes sense. You're  in that point. um you know uh mother, grandmother,   wife, uh sister, aunts, great aunt um you know  all of those uh important family roles but also I   can tell al you know still in the community um you  know still uh volunteering at schools uh you know   for her own kids and grandkids and um so that's  big part of her life. um you know some of uh one   thing that I thought was interesting was um one  of the challenges uh that she brought up was um   trying to

219figure out what she can control still  and I think that that is um it's a big big part   of you know what we do is try and the the learning  process here um is figuring out okay what are the   what are the little pieces that you can control  and in the world and um yeah awesome Awesome.   Great. Awesome. Great. You too. All right. So, I  just so fascinated. We didn't follow the rules. I   didn't I never heard switch when we were talking.  Oh, so you just learned about that was a need.   More clear direction. I said seven and a half  minutes each, but it's all good. I just kind   of So, I met Dia. She's named after her dad's mom  and there's some other people in her family also   with the same name which makes

220it interesting.  Um her roles in I didn't hear your directions   to be honest. What are we doing? Do I run it  down? Yeah, just anything you learned anything   you learned that was new to you or that she's a  mother, educator, an advocate, a partner and uh   kind of an if not me then who person likes to take  action. Awesome. Um her objectives are to raise   good humans and be a good school board member and  um her challenge is the work life balance. She's   um got a job as well and that I think everybody  in this room can agree to that. No offense,   but often even more so for women. Um um her needs,  she needs to pritor some self-wellness. make sure   she's taking care of herself because you can't  serve others if you are not

221well. And her her kind   of love language is acts of service and that gives  her strength and she appreciates when they're done   and it gives her motivation and strength. Um she  wants to be careful. She's at a point of privilege   and she wants to make sure she's treating this  opportunity and this this privilege correctly   and using the powers for good. Mhm. That's me, not  her. That is um awesome. Her aspirations are to   make a difference. And I pointed out I I believe  she's a bridgeuer between communities and people   and bringing them here. And um and she really  believes education gives you the power to change   the projection of a a whole family and a whole  generation. And I think what I really appreciate   myself because I'm very biased is she loves the  school district very

222much and is ready to to do   what it takes to make other people know what it is  and to build bring them in and to continue to make   it better for the people we serve. Does that sound  fair? Okay. Awesome. Great. That is so sweet. And   so did you get to learn a little bit about that?  I did. I did. I consider Beth a big sister.   Um Beth as roles. She's a mother. She's patient  partner partner. Um we have partners in crime at   home. Um um and a community member. Uh Beth  is um her objectives is to help all kids do   better and have a healthy family and self. Uh  challenges include balance. Um where to go deeper   with her focus but and takeaways. Um, I think  Beth is definitely someone that I have looked  

223up to because um, she's someone that just like  lays it out honestly. Um, and I and she's very   um, I think concise and clear and it's  something I've always appreciated about Beth   um, her needs success um, in her nonprofit. So,  she's doing some great work in the community um,   with in literacy and bringing books to kids that  need them. um and also has a need for community   and at home and at work. Uh for her headaches,  time limitations, it is hard to get everything   in right. Um and then her family is spread out,  so they've um all grown. I'm not looking forward   to that part. Um but she's handling it so well.  I love hearing the stories about how um you know   her kids are off doing great things and how Beth  handles it at

224home cuz I'm like that's going to   be me. Um and then just aspirations balance serve  um serve out her role and will um when she does   um end up leaving the board. It's going to be in a  better place. And then nonprofit um is some other   items um she wants to give as many books away for  free as possible. Awesome. Awesome. Great. Well,   look, um, we don't get a chance to get to know  each other as well as we could. So, just taking a   few minutes to learn about each other. Just we'll  we won't we'll won't sit in these chairs the same   again, right? We'll come together. We'll see each  other. We can ask the second question like, "Hey,   how are things going with your grandson or your  granddaughter or, you know, how's it going

225with   that niece or nephew?" And and you can follow up  with them and uh and because we can see each other   as people. So, that's where we're headed today.  And given the challenges some of you wrote down   and you're sharing with each other around your  headaches. Um, you all have challenges. You all   have headaches. And so, I listed a couple here and  I'd love to hear any more that you want to share   with me, but specific to being board members.  Um, I wrote one down that came up many times   with all of you and that is just that work life  balance, right? Making sure because this takes   a lot of time, a lot more time than you probably  anticipated when you became a board member. I was   like, "Wow, that was a huge commitment." And

226uh so  the the work life balance, what other challenges   come to mind for you when you think about serving  as a board member? Work life balance. What else? Tell me more about that one. So the control, but  tell me more about the challenge for you around   that. I think it's hard because I worked  for the district for 31 years, retired,   and so I the reason I came back is because I  have all that knowledge and I want to use it   um for good, not evil. Exactly. But what what as a  board member do I have control over? What what can   I do? And it it's and Susan and I both had this  issue and I think we still do is Superintendent   Hoffman used to be our boss, our big boss, and  now we're his boss.

227That's right. And it's it's   you'd think it would be really easy to switch, but  it it's not as easy as it is as you think it is.   That makes better sense. It's not. So, it's not.  So, look, you all have responsibility and you have   um you have control as and as a board, right?  as a board together. But yes, thinking about   reporting to him and now he reports to the board  as a whole and what that means for you. So that's   helpful. So okay, workplace balance control. I  heard from you, Michael, a little bit around just   um authenticity, honesty, communication, any of  that. You want to tell me more about that a little   bit? Um I mean getting into communication, right?  We we serve so many roles um not just within the   district but within

228the community and learning how  to communicate with each different party that we   are talking to. Whether you know because how we  communicate with constituents is different with   than how we communicate with teachers which is  different than how we communicate with students   which is different than how we communicate with  each other or the superintendent or cabinet.   um learning, you know, I think one of the  biggest challenges that takes a little while   is learning how best to communicate and how  to communicate most effectively with the many   different constituency groups that we have. Okay,  good, good point. Okay, great. Other challenges as   a board members. Yeah, but I think um I'd gotten  very comfortable with the board and I felt like   I knew my the board and and I think a big part I  felt very frustrated when

229I started on the school   board with the same thing like I have these great  ideas and why aren't we doing all my great ideas?   And so that idea of how to accept you're one  of seven. Yeah. And you um you only have power   sitting here as a vote of one of seven. That's  right. And then so how do you get your ideas and   you have these passions so part of it is through  through your example and it's part of building   relationships. And so now a new challenge is that  we need to build a relationship and get back to a   team that you trust and you you believe and you  can respect even if you don't agree. And and   that's um I think that's the challenge. Not a bad  one. It's just no Oh, no. But

230that totally makes   sense. Especially since all of your lives you have  these huge obligations outside of just your board   work. So the time you're here is so precious and  you've got so many commitments and things on your   agenda and things you're pushing through to take  time to build a relationship is not easy. Not easy   at all. So plus with the Brown Act call them all  and talk to them about things to not allowed to.   That's exactly right. You're welcome, Karen. I  brought it up. So, I I hear workforce balance,   control, one of seven, that whole piece. Um,  really learning how to communicate with all   the different constituents that we're involved in  and then certainly building relationships. And so,   that feel like a good group kind of start with.  Okay. And then look, as we move

231through this, I   hope you feel this is interactive and we can have  some conversations. So given those challenges,   there's two ways to approach. Now, those of  you that have obviously had a chance to spend   a little time with me, you'll know that we'll talk  about kind of two ways to approach any challenge,   any opportunity. So, communication, um, building  relationships with each other. One is with what   we call an inward mindset. And with an inward  mindset really, um, I'm thinking about me,   like I want to build a relationship so that  I can get my agenda or I can get my things.   um up on up in front of everybody else or I can  control the situation a little better. So, I'm   only thinking about me. How do I get ahead? How do  I look good? How

232do I show up here? Um how do I,   you know, get the things I want to get out of  this? Or I can show up with what we call an   outward mindset where I'm focused on the mission.  I'm thinking about the children we serve and all   the employees that we have responsibility  towards and and the community that we serve.   So our our with an outward mindset, we're taking  into account more than just ourselves. And what   I'll talk about in just a minute is that we don't  forget ourselves. Ourselves are a very important   part of this. But with an inward mindset, others  are not in the equation. So we're just thinking   about ourselves as we move forward. So, and it  turns out that really leading as a board member   and uh or cabinet member, the most

233important  thing is is is that we actually do take others   into account because the biggest impediment  to achieving results is going to be an inward   mindset because with an inward mindset, we end  we end up inviting others to resist even our   good ideas. Um because others aren't people to  us when our mindset's inward. So, let's unpack   this idea of two mindsets for a minute. And when  I just I'm so I'm so sorry to interrupt. Um, are   we going to continue to do things in our groups  or should we invite board members to go back to   their seats? I'd like to invite board members to  go back to their seats so they very comfortable.   Didn't want to keep you all in the They've worked.  Thank you, Michael. No, no, thank you. I like you   sitting down

234here. Yeah. So, and you guys can just  turn your chairs around, look at the screen if you   want as we go through it, but Oh, you got to Oh,  you have a monitor. Oh, that's right. Wow. I know.   Wow. I should just come up there and sit with you  guys and do this. So, but with an inward mindset,   other people don't count like we count. They  don't matter like we matter. Other people,   we only see them in terms of what we're trying to  accomplish. Right? So, we have an agenda. We have   something we want to control. we have, you know,  an idea that we want to push forward. We only see   others in terms of how they're going to help or  hinder us in what we're trying to accomplish. So,   they're not people to us.

235They're just objects to  us. When I see others as objects, I see them as   vehicles, obstacles, or relevancies. So, a vehicle  that are going to help me get there or an obstacle   that are in the way of what I want to achieve or  irrelevant to what I want to accomplish. But yet,   when our mindset's outward, people count like  we count. They matter like we matter. They have   ideas, thoughts, feeling, perspective. And it  counts. It matters. And I live and work in a way   that takes others into account. Now, we all live  our lives in a combination of these two mindsets.   Sometimes inward, sometimes we're outward.  Moment to moment. One moment I might be outward,   one moment I might be inward. But really the quest  for us to go on where we're going to have the  

236greatest influence as a board is really going to  be the more we can live and work with an outward   mindset where we're taking others into account  because mindset determines our influence as a   leader because what other people are responding to  is how they're being seen. How they're being seen.   So now, one common question that comes up when  you think about mindset is people often think,   well, does inward mindset mean that I'm  behaviorally hard and outward mindset mean   that I'm behaviorally soft? What's your thoughts  about that? Does inward mindset just mean that   I'm hard, behaviorally hard, and outward  mindset mean that I'm behaviorally soft? How many of you have had somebody say hard  things to you and yet you knew they really   cared about you? Ever had that happen? I know  I've had that happen. And

237uh and yet how many of   you have had somebody say soft, sweet things to  you and yet you knew they were up to something,   right? And so that's the idea is that what we're  responding to is not the actual behavior. We're   responding to how we're being seen in the  behavior. The distinction between hard and   soft is actually a distinction of behavior,  not mindset. I can do hard or soft behavior   with either mindset. Being an outward is seeing  people's people, which sometimes might require   hard behavior. Might require us to say no. Might  require us to speak up. Might require us to make   a course correction. Um, but I do it still seeing  others as people. They're into account. In fact,   I'm influenced by them and who they are.  Whereas when I'm inward, I'm not. So,   let's

238play that out for just a minute. Let's we'll  take a hard behavior like correction and we're   going to play it out with an inward mindset,  outward mindset. Let's see what that works,   how that works. So, somebody corrects you with  an inward mindset where you're just an object   to them. Somebody corrects you with an outward  mindset where you're a person to them. Do they   feel the same? Now, what's it feel like  to be corrected by somebody who sees you   as an object? Who has an inward mindset? Even if  the corrections needed, what does it feel like? Feels harsh. Yeah. Feels like a put down. And yet, what does  it feel like to be corrected by somebody who   sees you as a person where you count and matter?  Even if it's hard, even if it's hard correction,  

239what's it feel like? Yeah. they care enough  about you to actually have the conversation   with you to correct you and uh and so it feels  like help even though it might be hard and maybe   be hard to receive but it's much easier to receive  when you know they see you as a person. So again,   what we're responding to is not the  correction itself as much as we're   responding to how we're being seen in  the correction. So let's take a soft   behavior like complimenting. Somebody  compliments you with an inward mindset.   Somebody compliments you with an outward mindset.  Do they feel the same? And what's it feel like to   be complimented by somebody who has an inward  mindset? Even if the words are nice and sweet. Yeah. Like what do you want? Yeah. Yeah.  Feels patronizing. It's

240not authentic.   What do you want? And yet, what does it feel  like to be complimented by somebody who has an   outward mindset? Even if they're fumbling  through the words, what's that feel like? Yeah, it feels affirming, feels great, right?  You're like, "Thank you." Why does it feel   different? Because again, what we're responding  to is how we're being seen more than the words we   we say. And so, when somebody's walking away from  you with furrowed brows, darkened countenances,   resisting you in some way, resisting your good  idea, pretty good chance they don't feel seen,   heard, or valued. they feel as if they're just  a vehicle obstacle or irrelevancy. And now as as   uh you know your superintendent may have mentioned  for many years I had the opportunity to run a   behavioral healthcare organization for 27 years.  I

241was executive director of Anastasia Foundation   and what I learned and I can share this with you  with all the confidence in the world and that is   that it doesn't matter what learning challenge  a child has or even what a mental health issue   that they might have. They still sense how they're  being seen. See them as an object. Their symptoms   will escalate. See them as a person. They  may still have symptoms, but they come way   down. Even Even a child under the influence, a kid  Young people I've taken to detox over the years,   they still sense how they're being seen. Still  sense it. And so mindset matters. And why does   it matter so much? Because it matters to others  how they're being seen. Now, some of you were   here at this period of time, but I

242know Beth was  and I know but during co um I will and I've shared   the story all over the country. So you guys  are famous here because I work with districts   all over. But I actually was in a district in LA.  um watching um the board interact with the public   around face masks during CO and uh and I was down  it was in LA I spent that evening watching it and   the board would sit up here somebody would come up  get on a microphone and you know they would read   their case even though the board couldn't really  do a lot about it they would share their you know   their concerns or challenges with it and the board  member or board chair would say okay next you know   three minutes Next. Next. And the more they

243said  next, the more they said next, that you could feel   the temperature in the room just going up. The  more angry people got, the more. And then next   night, I happened to be here. I actually happened  to be here. And u I remember as people came to the   microphone, it wasn't just next. It was, "Thank  you for sharing that. I know that's hard. And uh   look, we can't do anything, but we appreciate your  perspective. Thank you for sharing that." people   were seen here and when they were seen here pretty  soon the night went on people gradually started   leaving going home and so but it wasn't the same  experiences the night before. Now you may have had   some of those nights but it was a very different  experience. It was such a contrast for me to

244see   one board who saw people as people and another  board who saw people as a problem, as an object   of getting home and doing whatever they needed to  do. And just people's response. Again, what people   responded to is how they're being seen. Mindset  determines our influence. See people as people.   We invite their cooperation. See them as objects.  We provoke their resistance. Resistance, we're now   going to have to spend time and energy and effort  into managing, right? So that's why this work is   so important if that helps. So any questions about  that simple idea. Now I want to bring up since   somebody brought up work life balance and caring  for ourselves. You'll notice in that diagram up   there that there is an inside triangle and an  outside triangle um with the outward mindset. In   other words,

245there is a self. That inside triangle  represents our objectives. Every one of you has a   role or responsibility outside of work at outside  of the board um and here at the board work that   you do you have responsibilities obligations of  your own responsibilities and a self to care for   the difference is that when my mindset's inward  I care for myself but in behalf of myself when   my mindset's outward I care for myself but I also  realize others need to care for themselves as well   and the way in which I um interact and work with  them is helping or hindering them and what they   need to do and what they need to accomplish.  Terry Warner, the founder of Arbinger many   years ago said there really are no silos. We are  always either helping or hindering each

246other. And   sometimes the way that we hinder each other is  not helping when we can. Right? So we're always   either helping or hindering each other by how we  interact, how we regard, how we see each other.   So it's not that being outward means that I forget  myself. It's just that when I'm being outward,   I'm taking care of myself in behalf of others.  And in the recovery community, there's actually   research behind that says, you know, any  sustainable sobriety done on behalf of self   won't last. Just won't. But in behalf of others  actually is much more sustainable. Okay. All   right. Any questions again about that idea? Okay.  So, we're going to have just a a really quick,   we'll a little more time at the cabinet tomorrow  around some of these ideas, but you guys just   a really

247simple idea and that is that people are  people and because they are people, the only way I   can see them any other way than a person is I have  to make that okay in my brain. I have to justify   that because you are a person, Beth. The only way  I can see you any other way than that is I have to   make that okay. I have to justify in some way. I  have to say something about me and something about   you that makes it okay for me not to treat you as  a person who counts and matters like I matter. So   we have to justify it. So and one way that we  justify that is we see ourselves as above or   beneath others. When we're outward other people  count like we count. They matter like

248we matter.   But when I am inward my mindset's inward. In order  to justify seeing myself seeing others as objects,   I have to see myself as above them or beneath  them. Okay? So, see myself as above them. I'll   adopt what we call an inward style that's called  um better than just better than you. I'm smarter   than you. I have more years experience than you.  Um I'm a lawyer. I went to school. Right? I mean   like I I see myself as above you. I see you're  less than me. Okay? That's one way that we can   justify not treating people as people. Another  way that we can justify not treating people as   people is that we we feel entitled or deserving  of being of better treatment. Right? We we feel   entitled to be seen as better than others,

249smarter  than and better. So we still see ourselves as   above others. Okay? Now can I justify myself and  seeing myself as beneath others? Well, absolutely.   So if I see myself as beneath others, I will  adopt an inward style that we call worse than.   I wish I was as smart as they are, right? I  wish I could do the things that they do. And   uh and so we feel worse than others. And we look  they're above us in some way. Stay there very long   and we'll adopt an inward style of I deserve. I  mean, I need to be seen as other words, we need to   be seen as anything but worse than. So we try and  make up for it and so we try and compensate it.   That's that's where perfectionism comes in. That's  where doing

250everything for everyone else comes in   is in this need to be seen as Edward style way  of justifying ourselves. And so now um over a   lifetime of justifying ourselves, we we adopt kind  of a style, a go-to place when we're seeing others   as objects. kind of a place we go to um and and  we pick up a self-justifying image of ourselves.   And how do we know that we might have one of  these? Well, look, when things don't go our way,   something gets shattered for us. I had a coach at  Arbinger for a year. Her name was Nancy Smith and   she would pick up the phone once a month and she  would call me and we would talk through things and   she had this wonderful way of navigating through  my life and finding where I was

251inward, right? Or   in the box. And we use that metaphor a lot at  Arbinger in the box. And so, but I was inward.   And then then she would ask this question. At  first I hated this question, but the more I began   to ask answer this question, the more I love the  question. She'd say, "Mike, what image about you   is now being shattered or threatened?" I'm like,  "You're not going to ask that question again, are   you?" Right. Really? And uh but the more I I tried  to answer that question, the more I learned that   every time there was an eruption for me, every  time I was getting triggered in some way, every   time I was getting defensive, that there was a  corresponding view of myself that was now getting   shattered or threatened, that I saw myself

252as  better than or deserving, worse than or need to be   seen as something other than worse than. Now, um,  we're going to unpack these a bit because what I   learned in that year's period of time is I learned  that I had a dominant kind of inward style at work   and I had a dominant one at home. So, we're going  to have a little fun today and kind of find out   what's our dominant one as a board member and what  might be our dominant one at home. Um, because the   first step to turning outward is actually noticing  when we're inward. And so this will heighten our   awareness to want our mindset's inward. Okay. So  I'm going to unpack them. As I unpack these with   you, I want you to ask ourselves just thinking  about each one

253of them. Look, which ones of   these may have you have set up camp, right? You  spend more time in that one. When you're inward,   you're not always inward, but sometimes you are.  And when you are, which ones of these do you   identify with the most? Okay. So if it's better  then your self view is that you're superior,   you're important, you're virtuous. And how do you  feel when you're with other people and different   with other people? You might feel disdainful of  other people. You might feel impatient with other   people. And so that that's a better than inward  style. If you have a I deserve inward style,   you feel meritorious. You feel unappreciated,  right? You feel mistreated in some way by others   and what's your view? Just give me that's how  you're that's your view. How do

254you feel? Will   you feel like entitled, deprived and resentful at  other people who get things that you don't get?   Right? If you have a worse than inward style, your  self view is that you're broken. You're you you   you can't do this, right? You're you're powerless.  And and how do you how do you feel? You feel   discouraged and envious and resigned like I can't  do this anymore. And yet if you have a need to   be seen as, in other words, you're trying to make  up for being feeling worse than you are trying to   portray something you're not. You're going to feel  yourself feel that you're being judged. You're at   risk all the time and uh and that you're being  watched by others. And how do you feel? Well,   stressed and overwhelmed and anxious. Okay. So,  now

255let me give you a couple of simple examples   of this. And I know some of you heard mine, but  a couple of simple examples. I grew up in a on   a farm. My dad was a school teacher and and we  were broke all the time. I mean that I heard the   word broke a thousand times growing up. And so  I never forget going to college when I was 18,   leaving to go go to college, telling myself I  was never going to be like my mom and dad. I was   never going to have problems like they do with  money ever. What do you think my undergraduate   degree is in? Yeah, finance, right? Finance.  And as a freshman in college, I remember I was   starving to death. My and my dad knew it. And he  sent me

256a check for 250 bucks, which is a lot of   money back then. But I didn't cash that check. I  carried it around my wallet for two years till I   was so afraid the bank would have never taken  it. Why? Because I wasn't going to take money   from them. I was going to do this without them,  right? And uh and I was going to make it without   them. and I wasn't going to be like them.  So when you think about which inward style   I might be dragging around with me, how do you  suppose I see myself as it relates to my parents? I'm better than I see myself as above them in some  way. Okay. So I meet this beautiful redheaded girl   and senior in college and we get married and and  after a couple years

257we start having problems with   money. Well, whose problem? I mean, whose fault is  that going to be? If I'm the sort of person who's   never going to be like his mom and dad, never  going to promise us money, whose fault is it   going to be? Earth. So, there's an eruption for  us in our marriage, that severe eruption in our   marriage because I have an image about myself  that's now getting shattered or threatened.   And it's my way of justifying not seeing my mom  and dad as people counting matter like I matter,   who have battles and struggles like us and  like anyone. And so, okay, now here's another   one for you. Um, I was hired by the founder of  Arbinger in 1990. So, four years out of college,   that's how old I am. I got I he

258hired me to run  Anastasia. I was it was way beyond my capabilities   at that time, but he he felt like I could do this.  And uh and I jumped in two feet and and started   marching forward. And Terry Warner, the founder  of Arbinger, was a philosopher, really smart man,   a pretty good businessman. And I wanted him to  like me. I wanted him to see that I could do this,   that I was capable of doing this. So I was always  managing information to make sure it got back   to him in the best light of me, right? And I was  super needy for feedback, always wanting feedback   from him and uh and and worried about somebody  saying that I did something that, you know,   he he didn't agree with or didn't like. Which one  of these do

259you think I'm dragging around with   me as a new leader and need to be seen as this  competent likable leader? Now, nothing wrong with   being a competent, likable leader. It's only wrong  when I have to have other people see it in a way   that justifies me not treating others as people,  right? And he was above me in some way. So, I have   this need to be seen as that I dug around with me.  So what I've learned in my experience is that look   in my home life I'm not always inward but when I  am inward in my home life my most dominant inward   style my go-to is better than I go to that  better than place at work my dominant inward   style is need to be seen as I go there right  when my mindset's

260inward and and that's how I   justify not treating people as people now I don't  always do that but I do but that awareness of my   most dominant or styles. So, it's super helpful  to me. Okay. So, what we're going to do, we're   have a little fun. I'm going to invite you down um  down here on the floor. We're going to do a little   exercise activity together where we're going to  actually think about some different situations.   We'll actually throw in a few board situations and  we'll have us think about our own inward styles. So, come on down. And we'd love to have  cabinet. If you guys want to join us,   come join us. Just come join us.  We'll have a little fun with this. So, Okay. So, yeah, take some notes. So, what I'll do is

261I want you just to imagine  this is this beautiful room as a box, right? So,   we're all inward. We're in a box. I'm going to  share with you a situation. And as I share the   situation with you, I just want you to go to the  inward style that that you would go to if you were   in the box. Okay? Not always in the box, but if  you were, which one would be yours? Which one   would you identify with? So you'll notice better  than is right there on that corner. And then I   deserve. So those two are right there. And then  if you scoot back, that door has worse than and   this wall here has need to be seen as. Okay? So  we're just have a little fun with it. And you just   move to whichever

262one. And if you can't decide  which one just say just use your imagination   just go to the one you think might be the most  dominant. We'll see where it goes. Okay. So the   first one is and this will relate to cabinet as  well. So one of your colleagues either a board   member or cabinet member uh excuse me you're with  your board or cabinet members you make what you   think is a really important point and the other  board members just blow you off or you know other   cabinet members blow you off. you make what you  think is a really important point and they just   blow you off. Okay. So, if you were inward, which  would be your inward style? Which one would you go   to? And I'll just follow you. I'm going to go to  the

263one that I would go to. It's right over here. [Laughter] All right. So, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna  No, they you guys will have you guys share. So,   from the better than place, what's going  through your mind? What are you thinking about   these people who just blew you off? Your cabinet  members or board members? Yeah. Like, hey, they're   not paying attention. I've got this. What else?  What's going through your brain? It's easy. This Makes a lot more sense, right? They were just as  smart as I was. So, any other thoughts? That's   right. Yeah. You see myself see yourself as better  than Okay, good, good, good. Over here, what are   you thinking about? Those people who just blew  you off if you're in this I deserve inward style. Yeah, I deserve to be heard, right?

264After given  my experience, my background, my perspective,   all that I've given to this district, I deserve  to be heard, right? What else? Any other thoughts? Always not. Yeah. Still important needs to be said. And  you guys, I deserve to have you listen to   what I'm going to share with you right  now. We may not ever say those words,   but that's what we're thinking. Yeah, that's what  we're thinking. Right. Okay. Now, um over here,   worse then, we just have one. So, in the  worst than place, what are you thinking   when everybody blows you off? I have no value. I  have no value. Right. I have no value. I wish I   was as smart as they are. And uh and yeah,  and occasionally when I'm in this space,   I'm thinking there's a conspiracy theory here.  They're all

265like, right, I'm being judged a bit,   you know, and about that. Yeah, maybe you don't go  that far with it, but I do occasionally. I'm like,   look, they all blew me off, right? So, okay.  And then need to be seen as we're feeling worse   then and we're trying to make up for it. So,  Lisa, what what what are you thinking about? Feeling judged. But here we feel judged. We feel  judged because we're going to try and make up for   this. we're feeling worse then like we're feeling  like you know wish we were smart wish we could do   what they could do and so over here we're we're  feeling a little judgment at risk and we're   going to when somebody blows us off we're still  going to be really nice about it right just oh   I

266probably shouldn't have made that comment then  you know maybe you know maybe it wasn't the timing   wasn't good or whatever else but we're thinking  about ourselves and we're feeling at risk with   everyone okay okay here's another one just for  all of you and uh and that is somebody complains   about somebody in the district complains about  you behind your back. Somebody in the district   that you know complains about you behind  your back. If you were you had an inward   mindset. We're not always inward, but if we  were, which one of these would you go to? Got a little movement. Mostly the same. Okay. All right. So, better than  what are you thinking about those   people who are complaining about  you? I have no idea. They're just   idiots, right? I have no idea all  that I do.

267What about I deserve? Yeah. Being resentful. I don't  deserve that kind of treatment. Yeah.   kind of back to you have no idea  all I'm doing for you. Yeah,   exactly. And so we have a worse then. What  what are you thinking of the worst then? Yeah. Discouraged and and why didn't they  come to me and what is it about me that   makes that hard? Right. And so and then over  here need to be seen as what are we thinking? Yeah. Our image just got shattered in a big  way. Then we'd be super stressed out about   it. Yeah. Yeah. And exactly. Okay. So, here's  another one for all of us, just simple one. So,   they're introducing, you know, some new process  at the school. Um, either as board members,   some new process or some or procedure  we

268have to follow through or cabinets,   you got a new system or something  you have to implement. But they're   introducing a new process and you have no  idea how it works. You have no idea how   it works. If your mindset's inward, which  one would you go to? No idea how it works. Introducing something new and  you have no idea how it works. This is where I hang out. That works. All right. So, so what are you two thinking?  Are you in the worst then? I think so. Okay. So,   Beth, you're in the better than  what are you thinking about this   new process and the people who implemented it? Yeah. And that's right. over here in better than  you're kind of annoyed cuz you're thinking like   who came up with this idea right weren't  things working fine

269before right what do   we need something new to worry about and  uh and then I deserve what are you thinking they should they should be doing  this the way that I can't that's   right exactly or somebody should come  and do it for me right I I shouldn't   have to do this and worse then what are we  thinking I think There's one more thing. Yeah, there probably was a better way.  But over here, I'm thinking, look,   I can't do this. Just one more thing, right, that  I can't do. And over here, what are we thinking? Know how to do it. So, we're super worried about  how we show up and how we look. And so, all of us   over here, we're like, we got this, right? we're  g we got this even though we have no

270clue we got   this and so we're going to go do it right so think  about that think about any time in the district   we're initiating something new if I what's the  consequences of better then you think they'll   implement it no they'll discount it what do you  think about I deserve will they implement it they do it'll be complaining and begrudgingly  right worse than feels overwhelmed they're not   going to be able to get to it. And all of  us over here, we're going to be faking it,   right? We're not going to ask questions. We're not  going to get some help with this thing because we   got to be seen as we have this, right? So, there's  implications to that. Okay, let's think about just   a couple of home ones just for fun. Like you  mentioned just

271a minute ago that you feel like   you could be in a couple of these, right? How  many of you feel like that? You're thinking,   "Hey, I could be in a couple of these." So, here's  an here's one you got to think about for a moment,   and that is you walk into your house at the end  of the day. If your mindset's inward and you walk   into your house at the end of the day, what might  be your inward style? I know which one's mine. Just walk in your house at the  end of the day. I don't know. whatever. All right. So, if we're in this better than place,   how do we walk into the house at the end of  the day? And you can move if you need to,   but how do we walk in

272at the end of the day  if we see ourselves as better than I have   to straighten out now? Yeah. What do I have to  straighten out now? Gone all day at work. Yeah.   What have you been doing all day? Right. Good  grief. I conquered the world today and you've   been sitting there all day. Damn it. Exactly.  Watching TV and the water's exploding. Exactly. So, I deserve What are you thinking? What  are you thinking? I just need two minutes   of quiet. I just need my quiet time. I need  put my feet up. Somebody take my shoes off,   a little drink. I need something. Right. And  uh and I'm I'm asking the question like, "Hey,   who left that mess over there?" And what's  you know, right? And so, cuz we deserve,   we deserve. Now, if we're worse,

273then  when we come home, what are we thinking? I'll come stand with you because I've been there  many times. You're out of the I I feel like I We feel defeated. We feel overwhelmed  like I I'm home and work and I can't   do it all and the grass is growing and the  fences needs to be fixing. Right. We just   feel overwhelmed right here. Exactly. I  know that one. So given this over here,   you're feeling this a bit. And so how do we show  up over here? This is the most exhausting one of   all. So much to do. Yeah. And so over here we  need to be seen as that we can do it all. We   can take it on. Right. that we got home work.  We're going to take it on. And uh so we're

274up   all night. We're doing the things we need to do.  We're trying to get cuz we because we feel worse   then and we're trying to make up for it. Trying  to feel we're trying to make up for it. So that's   why I say that's where kind of perfectionism,  doing things for everybody else, indulgence,   all of that comes in. Isn't that need to be seen  outside? So okay. All right. Here's another one.   And uh now if you don't have children at  home right now or don't have children at all,   use your imagination here for just a minute  or or anticipate it's a niece or nephew,   but you get a call and uh and your child or your  niece or nephew, you've been asked to come down   to the school because they're in the principal's  office. If

275your mindset's inward, which one would   you go to? Given that you're a board member or a  cabinet member here, which one would you go to? That's right. All right. So, if we're better, then what are  we thinking about that child? Okay. So, we're   thinking about the principal, right? Don't mess  with my baby, right? Consent. So, but if we're we   see ourselves as better than the principal, that  would be how it would be. If we see ourselves   as better than the child, what might be going  through our brain? It could be either one, but I'm saying you can go either one,  right? If you go to the school,   you're better than them. Why would they bring  them into the, you know, principal's office,   all that, right? Yeah. You know, stuff. You know,  stuff, right? If I'm

276thinking about the child,   I'm thinking, look, why would they do that? I  wouldn't have done that when I was in school.   I wouldn't behave that way. But as and I  love that thinking about as board members   and cabinet members, first place you go is  the school. Like right my child. They're   going to bring them in. How about I I  deserve what you what are you thinking? Touch it better. Yeah. Yeah. It's making me look bad. Yeah. where I will end up. That's right. Going back to so much better  than That's right. You fix this. Yeah. Yeah. worse than. Whose fault is it if  we're in the worse than place? Yeah, I was a better dad. As home more,  I'd have been We take it all on over here,   right? We take it all on. And

277then  over here, what are we thinking? That's right. It's making me look bad. What  did they do? Right. I'm a I'm a board member   of a gamut member. This is making me look bad.  Right. All right. One last one. One last one.   And so the last one is look um you uh um let's  see. I was trying to think of what's a board   scenario. What's a what's a board common board  scenario that would be a challenge for you guys? One that came to mind was like  you actually made a decision on on   um information that wasn't complete or  entitled, right? That happens occasionally,   right? So, okay. Yeah, that's a good one.  Okay. So, let's just say that one, right? So,   um board ends up making a decision you do not  agree with. Okay. And so

278if you were and then   same thing with cabinet, you guys make a lot  of decisions relate to the district. So you the   cabinet makes a decision you don't agree with. If  your mindset's inward, which one would you go to? You were in the minority. [Laughter] I'm going to be back  here. Can we be in the middle? Leadership is hard. That's right. Yeah. And I love your comment around can I  be in the middle? And uh so so remember how   we talked about earlier we said look when our  mindset's inward we have to justify it because   people are people. They do count no matter. But  when I see them as anything other than a person   I have to make that okay in my brain. and I have  to say something about them and something about me  

279that makes it okay for me not to do that. That's  how we picked these up. So if one's not working,   we might move to the other. Like think about  the experience of you walk in your house at the   end of the day. Like that one I can move through  all these in about 45 seconds. I'm always going   to start right here. I'll start here because  this is my dominant one at home. I walk into   the house thinking like what have you guys been  doing all day today? Right? The comment you made.   And when nobody recognizes my better, then that  I conquered the world and didn't know it thanks   me. I start to feel a little unappreciated and  a little deserving, a little entitled. And when   somebody calls me out for having a little bit of 

280an attitude, oh, I'm so sorry, Gayen. I wish I was   home more often. I wish I was a better parent. I'm  going over to the worst then, right? And before   I know it, I'm going to be over here doing the  dishes so she's going to see how helpful I'm going   to be tonight. That make sense? So, we can move  through these pretty quickly. But the idea of this   exercise is start to identify what what one might  be the most our go-to one, our most dominant one   for us in all of it. And this one, this one was  a good one and and revealing. So thinking about   better than what are you thinking about? You're  the minority. Better than what are you thinking? Yeah. Yeah. [Laughter]  Exactly. And then I deserve. Yeah. Feeling not appreciated. Yeah.

281Why didn't they listen to me? Exactly. And look, nobody's in the worst than  one, but if we were in the worst than   one with this one as a minority, how do  you think we'd walk out of the meeting? Yeah. Deflated. I, you know, I  can't do this anymore. You know,   turn in my resignation or whatever it  might be. Like I I feel deflated over   here need to be seen as how do we walk out  of that? Even though we're in the minority,   how do we walk out of there? Because  we need to be seen as what? Oppetent. go off a cliff. Yeah, you're anxious and  stressed around it. But you're also going   to probably show up and we'll probably  indulge people. We'll be kind to people.   We'll be nice to people. We'll be right because 

282we need to be seen as we have this, you know,   image about ourselves. We have to project.  We can't let ourselves down and all of that.   And and so we won't speak up. We won't say  things. We won't write. We're [Laughter]   Yeah. And uh and we might see that this is not  going to go well, but we're we're still going to   be mostly focused on making sure this doesn't make  us look bad and all of it, right? And sometimes   this might drive I know in my own personal life  this might drive me even though um I'm in the   minority gathering some allies to help me right  to actually to help me keep up that image that   this is that I was in the right. So all right you  guys is that helpful just that little

283idea. Okay   so return to your seats. Return to your seats.  I'll give you a minute. Return to your seats. So, as you as you return to your  seats, be thinking for just a moment   about look which as a board member or as  a cabinet member, but as a board member,   which one as a board member might be your  most dominant one or at least your go-to one,   the one you go to the most? And again,  we're not always inward, but when we are,   which one given the circumstances, situations,  we just played in. You don't have to share   with us which one it is. Just one might be  yours. So, just ponder that for a moment. Okay? And then you have a tool right  in front of you. It's called check   your mindset. And have a

284copy  of that right in front of you. Yeah. It should say check  your mindset on the top of it. Okay. So, with check your mindset, what we're  going to have you do is pretty simple. Um,   with it, I want you to just think about a board  situation that was challenging for you in the   last month or two. All right? Won't take you long.  Just think of a challenging a situation that was   challenging for you as a board member of the last  month or two. Just write that down on the top.   What was the situation or the person? Could have  been could have been a teacher. It could have been   a parent. It could have been another board member.  But just think of a challenging situation that's   kind of front of mind for you as a

285board member  the last month or so. Write that on the top. And then you're going to ask yourself, all right,  so how do you act in that situation? How did you   act? Did you shut down? Did you go quiet? Did  you walk away? Did you get upset? Did you start   a legal brief in your brain? Um what how did you  act? How did you feel um given that situation? Look, as board members, we put on  the courteous errors no matter what,   right? Because we know. But inside, how did  I feel? How did I act? Tell other people. Did I just say, "Oh, well, right. I fire off an email when I got home. And then ask yourself, which of the four inward  styles might you have been carrying in that   moment? may not have, but

286just consider which  one of these may have been your dominant one   in that moment. That situation was it better  than I deserve, worse than need to be seen as Okay. Now, there's some questions on the  bottom and I actually love these questions.   These questions are super helpful. So, what we  want you to consider with the first question is,   look, what might it be like for others when you  have that inward style? What might it be like for   others when you see yourself as above them or  deserving or worse than or worried about your   image? What what might it be like for others? Does  it make it hard for others to reach out to you,   communicate with you, include you? Do others  feel less as a result of it? Do others feel   like they have to

287tiptoe around around you? What  might it be like for others? Like for example,   what's it like to go to family reunion with Mike  when he sees himself as better than everyone?   Probably no fun when I'm in that place. [Music]  Or what's it like to work with Mike when he needs   to be seen as this hopeful, confident leader?  He can't make the tough decisions. He can't and have those straightforward  conversations because he's too   worried about how he's being  seen. Not authentic, not real. And the next question, my favorite question  is just this idea and that is okay,   what would it have been like if I didn't have an   image about myself that was now  getting shattered or threatened,   right? How would I approach it then? How would  I have been then if I wasn't worried about

288me? But what would have been different about that  circumstance? Would you have slept better,   had different conversations? Would you have  been able to be more straightforward? Speak up. What might have been different? And then the last question is all right, what do  I got to do about it? What I got to do about it?   Now, our easiest response and the easiest thing  we write down there is just get out of the box,   right? Most of us won't say we got to turn outward  or get out of the box. But what does that actually   mean? What's it mean to turn outward? What's it  mean to get out of the box? What do you think? Good. Yeah. Take a moment to actually put  myself in their shoes for a moment. Consider   what life might be like for

289them for a moment.  So, let me quickly go back to our slide here.   If you remember our inward and outward slide, um  if you'll notice that with the outward mindset,   there's that outside triangle. Other people's  objectives, challenges, and needs. Whereas with an   inward mindset, that's not in the equation. That's  not even there. Others are just objects to us,   vehicles, obstacles, or relevancies. They're not  people to us. And so Beth is exactly right. If I   find myself inward, what's missing? Well, others.  their objectives, their challenges, their needs.   So, if I find myself with an image that's now  being shattered in some way or threatened in   some way, that's a telltale sign, a red flag that  helps me see when I'm inward. And when I'm inward,   what's missing? I don't see others. So, I have  to get

290curious about them. I have to put myself   in their shoes. I have to consider what life  might be like for them. I might need to go and   ask more questions because it is the truth about  others. It's that outside triangle right there,   their objective, challenges, needs. It's the truth  about them that I'm cut off from when my mindset's   inward that can actually get me outward. In other  words, it is the truth about them that chases away   the resentment, the entitlement, the image about  me and replaces it with care and compassion and   empathy. Right now, today we did a meet tolearn  to kick kick things off today. So you partnered   up and learned a little bit about somebody. And so  in other words, that outside triangle just got a   little bigger and brightened for you a

291little bit.  And how many of you just visiting with somebody,   learning a little bit about their headaches  and their challenges, how many of you felt   just a sense of care and compassion for this  other board member just doing a meet to learn,   right? Because all you're doing is bringing that  outside triangle into the equation. the very thing   that's missing when my mindsets inward and it at  Anastasia we teach this to the young people who   participate in our program and we do a lot of  work in the outdoors with young people and we   learn a great truth every day in the outdoors  and that is that light chases away darkness   and so it is the light of another human being that  literally chases away the darkness in my heart the   the the frustration and replaces it

292with care and  compassion what I've learned in my life is that   if I feel anything but care and compassion towards  you pretty good chance where am I and pretty good   chance what am I thinking about well me and if I  feel anything but care and compassion toward you   pretty good chance I don't know who you really  are just my self-fulfilling distorted view of   you that I have when my mindset's inward so that's  exactly right if I find myself inward so that last   when you go to that last little shaded area on  that tool what do I need to do I've got to get   curious about others we've got to take a moment  get curious about them so that I can bring that   their objectives, their challenges, their needs  into the equation. That's how I turn

293outward.   That help that idea. Okay. So, what we're going  to have you do just for a minute and you can find   another partner, not somebody that you partnered  up with for the meet to learn, but somebody else   this time. And you don't have to give them all  the gory details of what happened or any of that,   but I would love to have you share with them, hey,  um, look, what's it like to be with me when I have   that inward style? What would be different if  I just the three shaded areas? What would be   different if I was if I was if I didn't have an  image about me that I was worried about and what   do I got to do about it? Right? So just share what  you wrote down your thoughts. So we'll

294just take   about So it's 10 minutes five minutes each. So got  to switch five minutes through. So find a partner. Make sure instructions are clear. How are you? So good to see you. Good to see you. I'm Noise. That's from before. Another minute or so. [Music]   All right, have you returned to your seats? I got  Michael. Got it. Hey, was that helpful? Just take   a few minutes, think through that. And uh and  so look the idea is and the easiest for me for   me to remember it is just anytime uh there's  an eruption for me or I'm getting triggered   in some way there's a corresponding view of  me that's now being shattered or threatened   and even just to take a moment consider how I  might now be a challenge for others actually I   it invites

295me into a whole new realm that I'm  of reality that I'm not considering because   I can realize hey I can do something about  this. So simple story and then we'll take a   short break. And some of you heard me share the  story before, so I apologize if I shared it,   but I had a really good friend of mine who um  attended Outward Mindset training in Phoenix,   one that we were giving there in Phoenix. And  he and a partner of his had a franchise there   and were having some challenges. And so they came  to the training and he calls me like four months   later and he says, "Mike, I got to tell you what  happened Sunday." I said, "What?" And so he tells   me this simple story. He has he has four children.  The first three

296were boys and they behaved really   well at church. These three boys were just  great. Super quiet, really great at church. And   so people would come up to him after church all  the time and say, "Hey, um, how do you do that?   How do you get how do you get kids to sit there so  quietly like that? You're amazing." And he said,   I would always kind of pass it off on mom and say,  "Well, they they got a great mom. They got a great   mom." But he says somehow I must have started  uptaking that because he says then we had Kelly   and Kelly was a girl but she was a volume above  all three boys put together. She was a disaster,   right? She was complete disaster. We found  ourselves bringing crayons and Cheerios and,   you know,

297fish, goldfish, anything we could do  to keep her busy. But she was just loud and we'd   find ourselves out in the hallway with her. She  was a disaster. As she got a little bit older,   I'd get her to sit on the couch with the older  boys. We'd practice. We'd actually practice   sitting quietly and we'd do root floats or banana  splits or something at home to make it fun. She'd   do great at home, but we go to church. She'd  be standing on the pew talking to somebody four   rows back at the top of her lungs in the middle of  the sermon, right? She was just a disaster. So he   says, "So he goes, I got to tell you what happened  Sunday." I said, "Tell me." And he says, "Well,   Sunday she was completely out of control."

298So he  says, "I grabbed her by the wrist and I pulled her   out of the, you know, out of the row and started  walking her down the aisle, out of the chapel.   And as we're walking down the aisle out of the  chapel, she starts waving at people. Bye. Bye. And   he says that just insensed me, right? I would just  got got mad at her. And he says, then I, you know,   I pulled her into the forer and just as the chapel  doors closed, he says, um, I stuck my finger in   her face and I let her know exactly what I was  thinking about, you know, her behavior. And uh   and he says suddenly had this horrible realization  of what you were teaching me. Says I realized he   says I don't know what it was whether

299it was the  tear on her cheek or the fear in her eyes but he   said I suddenly realized that I had turned the  whole congregation into my audience. I was the   sort of dad who had perfect children. I was the  sort of dad who was above all the other parents,   better than all the other parents. And Kelly made  me look bad. I treated her differently. I treated   her differently. And so, so again, anytime we're  getting shattered, anytime there's an erruption   for us and there was no clear thought or feeling  about how we ought to have been just boom, someone   spends too much, boom, someone doesn't include  us, boom, you know, we end up being the one vote,   right? Then and we if we we have an eruption for  us, start first by asking, is there

300an image about   me here? There's something about me here that  might now be being shattered or threatened. Okay?   And then get curious. Just get curious about the  people around you, what they're thinking. Put   yourself in their shoes, trying to understand the  circumstance. I love that word curious. Turning,   you know, I cannot be curious and inward in  the same moment in time. Just doesn't work. So,   it is something about that intentional  effort to get curious that invites me out,   right? Does that help? Okay, you guys. So, we're  going to take a quick quick break. So, we'll take   about a let's see what time we have. We'll take  about a 10-minute break and then we'll come back   in and we'll talk about the the board book. Does  that work? Okay. So, 2:04. So, we'll come back at  

3012:14. 2:14. Stand up stretch. Run to the restroom.  Get some sunshine. We'll see you back. [Laughter] there was that they're trying to kick out across  the the shipyard and Arbinger was like number 19.   He was like 19 on the list and and the commander  got up and says, "Look, hey, Arbinger is actually   not 19. arbiter actually informs all 30 the other  36 because the other 36 are only as good as how   we see and regard others. So as you think about  outward mindset work, it shouldn't be extra work.   Actually, it should be how we do our work. Um  and so whenever we're deploying an initiative   or trying to work together through something  to set the tone by really thinking about like   how how can I show up in a way where I'm taking  others into

302account. I'm working in a way that   helps facilitate the success of those around me,  not just me. Um, that's what actually accelerates   um any effort, any initiative that we're trying  to move through in a good way. It's when we sees   others as objects that we put a drag on anything  we're trying to accomplish because now we have   to manage all that resistance that we've we've  started. Okay, let's go to the board book. So,   you'll have this document right here. We're  going to do just a very simple activity. Um,   and so we're going to have you partner up. We'll  make it easy this time. you just partner up with   the person closest to you. And uh and so we  have these are comments and feedback on the   board book. It's an opportunity for us to make

303an  update to that board book. That board book is it's   it's really good for all of us to come back to it  and revisit it and it's really good for new board   members to come back and revisit it or visit  for the first time. Um but in that board book,   it allows us, we need a standard of performance  to hold ourselves to. And so it gives us that   standard performance and it it helps us as board  members understand our roles and responsibilities   as board members. So we're going to take a  few minutes. These are some of the suggested   um potential changes or edits that we might make  to it um by different board members. We've had   staff respond to that. We've had our legal so  Karen's back there and they've responded to   it as well.

304You'll see their notes in blue.  And to to to kind of help this move forward,   what I'd love to do is have you just in groups  of two. So we'll start over here. So the first   group will be you two and you'll take pages. Um  so you'll see the little four and six. So you'll   read from four four and six and then the two of  you will just take seven and the two of you will   take eight. And so just pull your chairs close  to each other, read through the staff comments,   read through the um the legal comments, and  there's no vote today. All we're doing is are   there any additional comments? Um any additional  feedback? we feel good about what what's been   suggested. So, it's just a chance for us to kind  of um

305add to it. And Karen's here to respond to   any questions you might have on the legal side  and staff are here if you have questions from   their comments. Okay, time is yours. By the  way, when take notes because when you're done,   we'll have each of the three groups share out so  that you all get a chance to hear the response. [Music] There we go. Thank you. And just give me a thumbs up when  you've gotten through your section. Okay. So, what we're going to do is we're going  to have you um so we'd like each one of you to   have one main copy. So, put a number on there.  So, this is group one, group two, group three,   but just one copy of yours where you're going  to capture or give any feedback. We'll give

306it   to Karen and Karen's going to try and take notes  as well, but we'll start with this group and you   have the opportunity to say, "Hey, nope. We're  good with the the recommended changes. We've   read through the review or you can ask questions  of sta other board members, the staff members or   Karen from the legal side. So, this is just an  opportunity to provide additional feedback and   uh and make any additional comments you  want to make regarding the proposed change.   We'll start with you. That's two. Okay. The  first one is E4. Of course, we're fine with   that. I would think we all are. I don't think  anybody's listening. Yes, I'm listening. Go. Yeah,   they're ready to go. Okay. Okay. Um  little teacher thing. I don't have eyes.   Um I have some training in this face

307forward.  Okay. It says, "Oh, omit the superintendent board   to first approve an agenda item." Um, we agreed  that the way it is adds order, keeps us on task,   clean brown act. And I'm going to say from my  history, it allows you to know what you're voting   on. So, what's happened in the past is if we  throw them in that night, someone says it one way,   then three people need clarifying comments  about it. So, now we've broken Brown Act.   Now, we've also been presented information at  the same time we're asked to vote for it, which   does not allow time for thoughtful reflection or  individual research and thought, which is how I   hope we always come to these meetings, having read  our agendas and having time for thoughtful stuff.   I understand it might make the process longer,

308but  um it does in the end if if the superintendent and   the board president say no, you can still ask  for it to be brought to the board. You and then   it will come with it'll be on an agenda. It will  have some information of what it truly means and   is asking for because that was also an issue like  you said this but it meant this and then what did   we vote on because we didn't these people thought  it meant what you said and you thought it meant   this and it it's just been um the words I want  to use aren't appropriate. So, it's just been a   little bit of a mess in the past. And this was  the way we didn't stop your ability to ask for   something to be put on the agenda.

309We just added a  system for it that ended up with clarity and time   to reflect upon it. So, any additional feedback  on that one? Comments? Hey, great. Those were my   those are my two. She's going to do the other  two. That was four and six. Um, two and four,   I think. Uh, two and two and four, excuse me. And  she's got four and six. Okay, great. Um, on four. On four, um, it's something that's already being  done, and we we would have admitted president and   left superintendent will provide the board with a  six-month calendar. Um, we didn't think it was up   to the president to have to get that information  to us. any additional comment from board members   on that one? So, I would do want to add the um  the in the staff suggestion

310um clarifying uh   specifically when we're going to get it. I would  appreciate because we tend to get it a little bit   like um like this most recent one we got like a  week after the first meeting that we're supposed   to get it. So, like if we can get it like 30 days  ahead of the first meeting that's covered in it,   I think would be helpful. But like some some  timeline I think put to add to the in the board   book a time frame, right? Just put a time frame in  that says um you know for uh the July to December   meetings you're going to get it June 15th, right?  Or you know something like that. That sound right?   So when so that was just thinking through um  so for clarity sake that's why my my

311thought   process was if we did um July 31st as the kind  of the kickoff date but then the idea would be   um every other month there'd be an updated  version of it so that so that so you're so   it's it's always it's always coming through is I I  um sat down and talked with uh with Ludy and tried   to figure out a way that was doable for her but  also gave the board what they needed. So, we'll   do the the the new version. Um, but no, um, you'll  you'll have had one a couple of months before that   just because we're going to we'll keep it in a  regular cycle. Perfect. That is more than I asked   for and I love it. Can I I just say that if Oh,  sorry. I if if there's something

312new that's been   added since the last time it was there, can we  denote that somehow like with the different font   uh italic so that you know what's new as opposed  to what's already been on there? Does that make   sense? You could um I'll check in with Ludy. it'll  it'll end up being a bit of a management piece   cuz cuz they they do morph over time. And so, um,  if we if what you'll end up seeing is a bunch of   stuff that used to be on there that's not there  anymore and the new stuff that's on there. Um,   so I'm just thinking each time we each each each  each each update we can high whatever is new will   be uh will be highlighted but then the next  time that is just the normal and it goes

313back   to right. So so it's only you're only looking  at what changed between the last time it was   produced and this time versus trying to capture  all the changes over the entire year. Then the   then the document becomes unmanageable I think.  No, that would be fine. Okay. All right, great.   I I did have a comment. Uh I had my hand raised  with the actually the first uh the requesting   item on the agenda. Yeah, I just that was actually  my suggested edit and I know that that's how it   used to be that we didn't have to go through the  board president and the superintendent. For me,   the reason that I requested that is that I feel  that it's one more step that potentially delays   getting something on the agenda that's u in some  cases can be

314timesensitive. Um, and it's a lack   of transparency to the community about how items  are getting on the agenda and even to the board.   I mean, honestly, we don't know I don't know how  most things who put most things on the agenda. Um,   and um, most many boards do what we used to do  where it goes to a a vote at a specified time   or designated time at the end of the the end of  the meeting. Some boards don't even or they allow   a board member to put anything on the agenda.  Any any board member can put anything on the   agenda. So to me, it's just um gatekeeping. And  you know, I know we talk about the Brown or Miss   Alani referenced the Brown Act, but one problem  I have with the process we have now

315is because I   have to go through the board president um and the  superintendent. um the board then I've already   told the board president um I've already had to  use him as one of my like if I'm trying to be   strategic and talk to two other board members I've  already told the board member um all the details   of my um the my request and so then I'm left with  one other person to contact and that might not be   strategically um the person that I wanted to talk  to about that item. So, that's my issue with our   current process. I I feel, like I said, I feel  like it's gatekeeping. It's not transparent. Um,   it's makes me use my Brown Act uh contact,  I guess, how you however you want to say it,   in a way that

316I might not want to use it. And it's  not uh is I feel like the community wants we need   to be more transparent with the community. How  are any of these things getting on the agenda? No   one knows. So, that's what that's my Great. Any  additional comments, thoughts on that feedback? We we make note of that on the one that we're  going to give back to Karen. Great. And I know   Karen's taking notes, too. So, thank you.  Thank you. Okay, next group. You got you   guys have finished up any just one more. um on  the electronic communications to add a bullet   or modify the last bullet to include document  retention rules. Um I don't see the reason for it,   but it's something I'm not against. Were  you against it? I don't why I mean Yeah.

317No,   this one was mine. Um, I mean, and it's partially  my lawyer brain because when I when I read through   this, I was like, my lawyer brain was like,  "Okay, but how?" Like, sometimes I want to   delete old crap and get it off of my phone  and get it out of my emails and all of these   things where I just I don't want it cluttering  my space. And so, the thought process was like,   I don't know what the retention rules are. And so,  I don't think anybody else knows. And, you know,   if I'm, you know, I'm confused about, well, how  long do I have to keep this? how long do I have   to hold on to this stuff um you know in order to  comply with the uh with the public records act.   My thought

318was can we just put it in there so that  I know after 2 years I can I can dump this stuff   because it's not important. I don't I mean I'm  just I can I'll check in u with legal on but um the the district as far as the um district email  goes um that's that's three years um and that and   those and those are those are kept automatically  and actually you'll see it um on the top of the   email will actually give you the date that um that  that email is going to go away um on your personal   um device um I I can check in because I'm not a  lawyer and I didn't stay a holiday in last night.   Um, but I I think the the main the main piece  there is um is

319once you get a P um or or you get   notified, you you you have to make sure you don't  get rid of something after the notification. But   if you have on your personal device that you know  after um 30 days your your you know text message   or emails go away on your personal device, I don't  think that's a problem. Um but um I I can check in   with legal to make sure on that. Yeah, Karen. So  just generally the district receives all kinds of   requests for records and so there are times when  the district will receive a litigation hold or   some other type of request for records. There's so  many. Um once the district is on notice of that,   you're not supposed to delete, you're supposed  to preserve. Um so uh Superintendent Hoffman   is correct

320in terms of the district system for  maintaining emails and your own personal devices.   How you maintain emails. However, if you receive  information from the district that something um is   subject to litigation or there's a litigation hold  or there's another matter um involved with those   emails, the retention is indefinite. So forever  um until we get through whatever that particular   matter and we notify you when those kinds of  situations happen um whether and we've had it   before where we want all um when superintendents  uh emails blah blah and and all board members and   then so we give then a communication will come  out and it'll say okay so from this day forward   um you got to keep keep those in place but if  they're already gone if you if you already if   you had a a piece

321in your personal piece where  your text messages go after 30 days uh there   wouldn't be anything for you to hold on to if it  was already gone. That doesn't mean somebody else   the receiver doesn't and they wrote to us and said  you can't don't delete anything and we'll let you   know when it's okay to delete stuff again. And  then we did the idea is delete it every 30 days.   Right. So and I know that the when I put this in  here my assumption I'm a bad lawyer from it. Um,   my assumption was, "Oh, there'll be an easy  rule and we can just plot it at like 2 years   and then I saw the comments here and I was  like, okay, that's not an easy rule." Okay,   so I'm I'm perfectly fine with us not having 

322something in there if it's not going to be simple,   but it just it was something that popped into  my head. Great. Great. Super helpful. Yeah,   super helpful. Great. All right, let's go  to this group number seven or page seven. Okay. All right. So, page seven. There we  go. Addressing conflict among members. Um,   it says, "Eddedit the final bullet point. Board  members will participate is all that was added   at the beginning of it. So, board members will  participate." Um, we're thinking that's that's   fine the way it is. Um, and then it just it  made it a whole sentence is the whole thing.   It's just an edit. We like that. Yeah. The only  the only my comment with the only thing was that   um if they don't there's nothing we do. I mean  there's there's no it's

323not it's not a legal   requirement. It's not a it's not an ed code or  a California law. It's just a it is kind of an   expectation already but it's it's just it's making  the board statement. Yeah. And we and we know that   not everybody chooses to participate. Um uh but  uh you know all the only point was we wanted to   make the sentence a complete sentence. I think the  expectation is still we're still good with that.   Yeah. Right. Sure. So, will or are expected to or  should should I I don't know are encouraged to.   All of those are wonderful. Like will will. Okay.  Sounds good. Okay. We just won't say what happens   if you don't. It happens a lot in this. Hey, there  you go. Roll in the public. Roll in public. Okay. Roll in

324public. Um, so this one, so the first  half of this one was the first bullet point is   real should really be two bullet points. Um,  so the first bullet point would be the board   understands the importance of being visible and  accessible to the public. Then there would then we   would push that next sentence down to a separate  bullet point because it's a separate thought.   Trustees will demonstrate their dedication and  commitment to the governance team by clarifying   their authority as one of seven in all board  decisions and actions. Um and then for that   first bullet point um the thought was to add uh a  second sentence that was as such board members are   encouraged to attend district uh school district  and community events to meet with constituents   and to be responsive to constituent communication.  And that

325was just um you know the thought process   there was um just encouraging people to be out  there, be visible and you know uh go to events,   go to community events, um go to school events  and just show up everywhere. Um that we should   be that was all just clarifying that thoughts,  comments, feedback from the rest of the board. Um, so this is the one where we're probably going  to need to ask Karen for feedback again. Um,   so this one, the second part of this was to add  a bullet. Um, and the added bullet would be board   members or leaders in the their community and are  encouraged to inform their community of upcoming   school district events, board business,  or ways to provide feedback to the board.   Board members may take public positions on  issues before the

326board and may encourage   community members to advocate for those  issues provided that the board member   um will exercise due care to ensure that their  advocacy does not interfere with the uh the   business of the district and board meetings. And  the thought process here because this was one of   mine is we don't really talk in here or even in  our bylaws about our role as advocates. Um, you   know, one of the things that we do on the board  is we are regularly uh, you know, suggesting,   adding resolutions, changing policy, things like  that. And, you know, in our role as board members,   we are advocates for those things that we  want to change. And in part of doing that,   we invite the public to come in and speak on those  issues. Um, and since we don't talk

327about that,   I wanted to make explicit that that is part of our  role and that that is acceptable for us to do. Uh,   and if this language doesn't get at  that, perfectly open to suggestions. So Karen, thoughts, I know you put a lot of notes  on this one. Exactly. That's why we were like,   we'd love to hear from you. in general be very  very careful in g I mean this is a very positive   advocacy statement um but in terms of the  implementation of it there are risks to the   district and to the board um because when you're  engaged in an advocacy role because you're elected   officials public may not understand if you're  speaking on behalf of the school district or   you're speaking on behalf of yourself. So, you  do have detailed board bylaws that as

328a board   over the years have been adopted that specifies  when you can um communicate with the community   on matters within the subject matter jurisdiction  of the school district. And that caveat's really   important. You may have interests outside of the  subject matter jurisdiction of the district, but   when you are operating in a public forum, whether  it's in person, on a phone, on Zoom, at the park,   in a grocery store, at a school event, people  might only recognize you as an elected official   and might impute whatever you say um to beyond  yourself in that advocacy role to the entire   school district, which could create potentials for  misunderstandings and risk. risk um and liability   for the school district. Of course, your child  um should be enrolled in um both AP language   classes. Um you know, that is something

329that's  really important and I'm sorry that there wasn't   enough room. We'll work on that right away. They  may perceive that as you are speaking on behalf of   the school district and you have the authority to  do something with respect to that. So, it's just   fraught if it's not clear what your parameters as  board members are. And when you are speaking in   those environments, because you will speak in all  of those environments, it's just important to be   clear that you are speaking on your own behalf.  And then if you're in those environments with   each other, it becomes more fraught because if  there bless you, if there are more than um three   of you together um and you're having a passionate  advocacy type conversation about something within   the jurisdiction of the school district, the rest  of the

330public um who's not there isn't privy to   that conversation because you haven't properly  agendaized it under the Brown Act. So the public   can also hear and comment on what you're having to  say. So it it's a very positive general statement.   It's just in the execution in the implementation  there is risk. And so this might be something for   the board to think about longer term training wise  um so that it doesn't create additional issues that helpful feedback. I mean yeah I mean I'm I'm  open to board member feedback on this one as well.   Any additional feedback from board members? I I  guess I have a question. So, are we making changes   today or are we just comments and suggestions that  would push this further, refine it further? So,   potential changes could be made later, but today's 

331just a discussion. Yeah. Today's discussion. I   just wanted to clarify. Thank you. Okay. I have a  quick question back on page two. It's I I I know   I'm going backwards and I will come forwards, but  there was a one bullet and then the second one.   Trustees will demonstrate their dedication and  commitment to the governance team by clarifying   their authority as one of seven and all board  decisions and actions. Is that in here? Yes,   that was the second sentence of the first bullet  and we just pushed it out into its own bullet.   Okay, now I understand. Sorry. Thank you. Okay.  Um we are my opinion we are advocates for children   here and we are advocates for what's best for  our school district and we each have separate   things that we feel very strongly about but  and

332that is your life off this dis and when we   are here we are working as a team towards this  and I am concerned concerned that this um one you as a person can take a a a position on  something and I can look at um different   people's I don't look at anybody's Facebook just  because I don't want to get into it but I I could   see different people feel just strongly  about different things. I could find out,   right? Um I I don't know. I just don't I think  our focus here is to be a team to work together   and this is a feels divisive to me. I I can  take a position and you can take a position.   I've never felt like I couldn't take a position  but we also do things as a group

333like I've gone   and advocated at the capital upon the request  to CSBA to for school buses. So we do bring   some things here. We have voted. We've been  asked to support a legislation. Then it goes   on a full agenda. We all see it and we tell our  lobbyist to please we he can add our name to our   letter. A letter happens to be a man. Um I I'm not  comfortable with with that for those two reasons.   It's just the highlighted of that is what is the  is that Karen right the biggest issue? That's the   additional dot. And it feels like the biggest  issue is everything after the first sentence.   The first sentence feels pretty straightforward  and easy. It's what's after the first sentence.   I think so. The board members may take a public  position where

334it starts there. Yeah. So I guess   my understanding though too is that um it  seems to me that we may already be doing this   um in our own capacities but not maybe not on the  dis but I thought my understanding of reading this   is that we're trying to make sure that we're being  careful that that doesn't get in the way of our   business. So we're almost trying to safeguard what  we do in the dis versus our personal positions   on things and our personal life. But is it is a  purpose of bringing it to the handbook to try and   create like a um understanding that we all come  to this and know that we act as a group of seven.   we're one of seven and not just like my position  on a specific thing even though

335I have it. Yeah. I   think the idea is to clarify um in the handbook  what is and isn't acceptable behavior from a   um from a board member. Yeah. So this one  just from a complexity standpoint I think   it is covered in board bylaw and there so the  things that are um in the handbook are more   often a more kind of quick reference on how the  board is interacting with each other. Um, so one   of the things I could do is I could take a look  at the the board bylaw related to this and then   um get it out to folks and see does that meet the  that does that define things as that need to be   defined and then maybe it's a a reference in the  handbook to the board bylaw and then the and

336the   board um the that's that's the content because if  we we get we get that complicated this is going   to turn into a 30-page document if we start to  pull all the different things that are actually   captured someplace else. That makes sense.  Yeah. And and Karen pulled a piece of the bylaws   um that I think is good. It's close um but it's  not 100% what I what I was getting at. So if you   want to look and see if there's something there  that makes sense and we can tweak then all for   it. Yep. I can speak. Yeah. On there the part  that board members may take public positions on   issues before the board. that to me seems a little  conflict with the fact that we're supposed to work   as a team of seven. Um, and

337I I don't know how  a person would be able to separate themselves   if they're publicly affirming that um action  and encouraging other people to come cuz it it   I know for me it would kind of like set me back a  little bit because what what hole are you digging   for me is where I would kind of feel. Um, so I  I'm not real comfortable with it being there. Okay. Any additional comments and feedback? Yeah.  Um, I I think part of what this is trying to say   is that um the public has the opportunity to come  and advocate for themselves. We're by by telling   them that they can come to a board meeting  and speak. I think we're we're helping them   be advocates for themselves. And I I don't see  how that could be a bad

338thing except if you get   5,000 of them. I I get it. Um yeah, they only get  to talk for a minute if that's true. That's true.   Very good. Um but I think we need to remember that  we were we were elected by our constituents. So,   we are supposed to if somebody comes to me  with an issue um and and they say, "Let let me   know the next time that's talked about in a board  meeting and I see it on an agenda and I tell them,   "Oh, by the way, we're discussing this at  the next board meeting. If you'd like to,   you might want to you might want to show up and  speak on public comment." I I think that's my job   in in some ways. I mean, it truly is. So maybe  maybe you then

339wording doesn't work for what   Karen's saying for protecting ourselves, but I  I really think we need to capture the part about   us teaching the public how to be advocates for  themselves. Yeah, that's why I said that first   sentence for sure stick. And maybe the second  sentence, what I'm hearing from you is that   that could be taken in one of two ways. So maybe  there's some clarity we can bring to the second   sentence that is more about protection than  it is around exercising undue influence on   the rest of the board members. So I don't have  any issue with the first sentence. Yeah. Just   to be clear. Yeah. Okay. Noted. So that's super  helpful. Yes. Um so I was just reading through   the bylaw board bylaw 9010 that was attached to  that. Uh and it it says

340that the board president   um all public statements authorized to be made  on behalf of the board shall be made by the board   president or if appropriate the superintendent  or other designated representative. But um I mean   I feel like that's a little bit of a gray area  because if the board president for example speaks   to the media and does he have to identify or they  have to identify if they're speaking as the board   president or as an individual board member because  if it's not clarified I think that can be messy   and and do does the board get consulted if the  board president is representing them the meeting   and with the media. Well, there are limitations  to the Brown Act limits the board president's   ability to consult with board members on  things. Um but yeah it is

341a you know it it   is a complication of and you know it's within the  purview of the president to be careful speak and   try to clarify because that's the president um  as a general rule and sometimes another member   um you know like if they're talking with CSBA or  something like along those lines um between the   the communications department andor whatever  department the the content of the questions   uh we'll often provide um some talking points  related to um you know what what the what the   current what the district is currently doing in  relation to that um and u and what what potential   work lies ahead. So uh in in those cases u the  president is speaking on behalf of what the what   the school district is currently doing um andor  may do. So that but then

342often times in in that   same interview a reporter may ask um and what's  your opinion on that? You know so they'll actually   and it makes it difficult for the individual in  the moment um to make a distinction and and very   well may say well this is this is the district  stance on this and what the district is doing.   Um and and if somebody shares their I'm sharing  my individual opinion. it's really dicey in that   the reporter doesn't necessarily um report it that  way. So, so it it's it is it is very challenging   and there's not a there's not an absolute  um right or wrong um but how it's covered   and that's often times for me personally when  something like this gets asked and Lisa said I   give it to them in writing um and so

343so that so  they actually so I don't actually do I do very   few interviews and I put things in writing because  then if somebody comes up this is what I provided   um and then so it so that that makes it easier but  it's it's not easy as the president you you are   the representative of the board. So there has to  be a value that we we entrust we voted this person   to be our president and our representative. And  then there's also the expectation that they will   work with communications to make sure that the  information they're giving is correct because   I think that is the biggest reason we don't want  everybody to go be giving interviews is because we   can't have wrong information put out. um wrong  information can upset certain groups and then   I mean

344like we've got enough stuff going on. We  don't need to be fighting misinformation. We need   to we keep things clear. So that's and I don't  know how many interviews you've done. I did like   two maybe in two years. It's not something that  comes up and I just want to say when I joined   the board we didn't have a handbook. So like  having this discussion in itself and just some   guidelines is just very helpful to get out your  thoughts. So, I I appreciate that conversation,   but it doesn't happen much. And you almost  always refer it to Lisa to Miss Lavasser. It's   very rarely that that board president is asked  to speak. And I think the written thing is a   good idea. I was going to say oftentimes because  they're asking for very detailed information and   it's,

345you know, because they're they're trying to  fill out the the article that they're writing and   you just Yeah. Mr. Lasser is the one who knows  that stuff. So yeah, it's a it's an interesting   relationship. Yeah. I guess I just think it needs  to be clarified when speaking to the public. If   you're the board president, it I'm speaking in the  capacity of as a board president or an individual   board member. I think I don't know. I mean, I  don't know if we need to change that or anything,   but I I think it can get a little messy in  that I agree and I think they should identify,   but I think that's assumed. That's a really good  note to add on here. Um because that that's again   a standard of conduct that that's what this  is about.

346So I love that. Let's make that note   and we can we our time is up. So we just need to  hear from this last group and then we'll wrap up. Uh sorry let me get to that  page. Okay. So the first one was actually do you want to do the this and then I'll  do this? Sure. Sure. Okay. So we had eight. Um I   would like us to discuss what we want to allow to  be mentioned under board member and superintendent   reports. I would like to change the wording on the  individual board members comments to allow us to   share important or special activities that we have  participated in. Um, and so I think the concern   here kind of along the same lines as the other  ones is that um, do putting something like this   in

347place is a little bit hard in the execution  because of the potential of a Brown Act. Um,   and I do I I see the value in um, you know,  being um, having a little bit more opportunity   to talk a little bit more about the things that  we've been participating in or and sharing um,   the experiences that we're engaging with um,  when we attend things within the district.   Um, so it in I guess my suggestion was that if we  were to to update this section um that we would   have to be really mindful and u maybe treat it  kind of how we treat public comment where we would   be very strict to say um like guidelines  around you can share but nobody else can   comment on it because if you do then it creates  a discussion

348that maybe violates the Brown Act.   um or probably would violate the Brown Act. Um and  then I think we maybe if we tried to just limit   um be very clear about what are the  things we're going to share. We like   we can't just air the laundry list, right,  for 10 minutes at a time, but be really   um like things that we share at the DAS need to  benefit the public. Agreed. So things we share   need to benefit the the public. And I love that  comment to add on there. Any additional thoughts, comments on that one again. It has come  up many times. You're right. Um yeah,   I I think this was an effort to put um guide  rails on a freeway and it just it used to get   a little crazy and so um want

349to change the  wording to individual board member comments.   Um, I think board members under board member and  superintendent report should feel free to um,   we don't want it to become a one-up. I visited  seven schools and I went to three things and you   haven't been to anything and so you're a cruddy  board member and and I'm just I mean and then   I've done all these things and I'm in the bottom  right box, right? The have to be perfect box,   right? If I'm inward and I mean it's it's easy.  It's it draw you right in. So then I need to   go do something cuz I got to talk with the board  member and she's going to say she did something.   But public has no idea that she had a funeral  to attend this month or had

350a challenge or had a   baby. Yeah. Had a baby. Yeah. I mean or had a baby  with complications and or has a dying parent or   you know not all that shared. So this has turned  into one of these on more than one occasion.   So I I think if we as an understanding  want to say in your board member report,   I was able to go to the what was the thing we did  the other day? A live shooter training that active   shooter training. Um those that's a board member  report. That's that's an activity you went to. So,   I think we need to make an agreement and I'm just  going off what we ended up with last time and and   this is a very different board and I feel  like the old lady today tell you that.

351But,   um it it should not be schools. It should not be  it needs to be things that I love how you put it,   Dia. Benefit the public and benefit the public.  Yeah, I love that comment. I I think that that's   good. And when we do a 2 by 2, it's good for  this the community to know we're meeting with   Rancho Cordova 2 by two trying to figure out a  high school. we're meeting with CSD to make sure   our pools are still going to be met and all those  things are going to be. Those are things. So, as a   group, um I would suggest we don't change it, but  if you but maybe the definition we can we can kind   of think of the definition a little wider if you  would like and then if it

352becomes a problem, let's   re go back on it if you feel like it's becoming an  arms race. I've had some good conversations about   this one over actually past couple of months.  Um, and the guardrail piece is is a little scary,   you know, from from my perspective. I  was I was thinking of the idea would be   um let's take it out one more rung this time. Um,  and then and then see how it goes. So the idea of   um um you know highlighting community events, you  know, so so things that were um that were um that   somebody attended or or want people to know about  something that's coming up and and add that to the   to the list for this this version of it and see  how that goes and then you can make an adjustment  

353um moving forward. So that was just one thought  of just just trying to to to tweak it a bit um   for the benefit of the public. I think adding that  language and that's the best guard drill you could   come up with, right? It's to the benefit of an  individual board member, that's not helpful, but loving that. Okay, so the last last one on here.  Um, so the the last one that we covered was   um requesting resolutions and this was my  um request and um my request is that we   the process for the board member to propose a  discretionary resolution item shall follow the   same process as a request for a an agenda item  request. Um, and I did also say in that that   staff members should not have more power to put  a resolution on

354the agenda than board members.   Um, so I the reason I um s would like to change  this is because um I feel like we already have   a very robust process like I already shared  um just for getting something on the agenda   and then if you want to request a resolution,  it has to go through even more of a process.   Um that process includes currently includes a  subcommittee. The board president um has the um   authority to choose the subcommittee members. And  so again that goes to uh this actually recently   happened to me. So I'm I'm like I'm trying to  get a resolution on the agenda and then the   um so then because the board president has the  authority to choose the subcommittee members.   those were like my automatic um individuals  that I like I cannot speak

355to anyone else   about my item and so that's why I especially don't  like that process uh that part of it and then it   talk it does talk about going through legal but  don't all agenda items go through legal anyway no okay well um I mean maybe we could write that  part that they have to go through legal still. But   um uh let's see where else what else did I have?  Um again I just feel like it's more gatekeeping,   lack of transparency. How are these resolutions  getting on the agenda? And um the superintendent   has shared with me that if if something is already  vetted, you know, by the state or something   like if it's already state recognized or federal  recognized, federally recognized day or something,   then the staff can create the resolution. Um, so  I guess

356it bothers me that as elected officials   representing constituents, we have less power  to put something a resolution on the agenda   than staff members. Um, and that those are my  points. So yeah, so noted and I think that what   I'm hearing from you is um somebody being able to  protect against somebody having undue influence as   to how something ends up on that agenda. So yes.  Well, I one thing I would say I'm open to the com,   but um I have I have notes on most of them as far  as a um yes, add it, make this tweak. Um what I   what I don't have yet um is kind of direction with  regards to requesting the future agenda item. And   then this one, the resolutions, they're kind of  linked as far as there's a process in place

357um in   order to do it. So, um, I've heard from a member  that they like what's currently in place and I've   heard from a member I want something different,  but that's all I really have is just the two   opinions right now. So, I I don't know from a  direction standpoint which way to go. So, I'd   need more conversation around those two items to  figure that out. So, to add to the resolution one,   I think because agenda item is a very fuzzy thing.  It can be a lot of things. It can just it could be   a report, it could be a discussion, it could be  a action item, it could be a variety of different   things. Um, but resolutions, I think it's  appropriate for them to go to start with staff   because there's an expertise that

358you need to look  at, right? What is that resolution saying? Is it   saying something about our policies? Is well,  actually, that's a separate issue. Policy change   is a separate issue that needs to go through a lot  more. Um but the resolution is saying something   about um us as a district, what we value, um what  we what we do. Um and that is not necessarily   something that we as board members can um we  would it we would be smart to get feedback from   staff who are the subject matter experts on these  things before we start you know before we start   that process. Um now the subcommittee process that  is that is something that we have chosen as a as   a board to do that. Um we could change that that  we could change that to go

359through the traditional   um agenda item process and I we could just make  that choice. Um but I would for a resolution in   particular I you know much like a policy change  I think it's important that that one start with   staff and then come to us and then we can pick  at it and figure out um you know where we stand   cuz we are you know I mean we have two subject  matter experts you know in particular areas but   of education um but we are you know we are not the  subject matter experts we don't have 30 years of   experience doing these things and I would rather  hear that first That would be my thought on the   resolution one. Um, but other thoughts? Miss  Alviani? We we this we went through a lot to   get down

360to this. Um, and the part of this is  starting to trust your fellow members and if   you feel strongly to ask to and request to get  put on the committee to do the work. We have to   if we spend our time discussing resolutions I  I think we are in a point of so much learning   that needs to happen on this dis a resolution is a  distraction from the larger point. Um uh there we   need to understand the three legs of we need PBS.  Um I'm not I'm blinking. Uh qu the quality what   do you call that thing? Quality education. MTSS.  Yeah, the MTSS. Like there's things we need to   learn right now and we need to keep learning these  things and resolutions are never going away. So,   we made a system to deal with them

361because they're  not they're consistent and we don't want them to   be these things that come in and blow up or come  in and take our time when when we are pressed for   time period. So, we created this system and I'm  hearing that you're very concerned and interested   in one. I don't know who's on the committee right  now. Do you know? Okay. You're on the committee   that does it. So, um, so I think that is your best  way. And when we did this, the person that was the   most concerned about it got on the committee  and then and felt this was a a place to do   it. And there's different kinds of them, too.  I think it's good. It it says the state sends   some some are getting done by education and some  are discretionary. And

362I think we want to be very   particular about our discretionary because the  discretionary is a statement of the whole group.   But it comes from um trusting your committee to to  do the work. So I I I have even with all the ups   and downs we've had, this system has worked well  for us and people that really wanted to be on it,   the board president has always let them be on it  to have their say. Um that's my two cents. And anything else? Well, I just wanted to say  yes, I was allowed to be on the subcommittee,   but the board president had the authority  to choose the other two board members and   then they became the two only two people  that I can talk to about that item. So, that's valid. Any additional comment? I would 

363just said that I mean that's a valid issue with   this and I think as with as with everything,  right? There's trade-offs, right? It, you know,   if we make it easier to, you know, for any board  member to put a resolution on the agenda, we're   going to have 50 resolutions every meeting, right?  We make it a little bit more difficult, you know,   because we're trying to consolidate it down  to the things that we can all do together. Um,   and there just trade-offs that we have to decide  as a group. We have to decide those trade-offs   that we want. So, okay. So, write your name  on yours because it sounds like you've been   adding notes to yours as well. So, write  your name. I'm sorry. We missed one. Oh,   we missed one. What did we miss? On

364page  four on the bottom is school visitations. Oh,   yeah. Sorry. Do you want me to start? Yeah, go  for it. Of course, I have an opinion. Um, I love   board members will visit each school in their  trusty area once every two years. I think it's   very reasonable. That's um not an unreasonable  expectation and I think as well as such other   schools are agreed upon with the vice president is  I I don't agree with that part and would encourage   language such as and are encouraged to visit  other schools outside of their trustee area.   Yeah, I was just trying to bring it into  alignment with what we had already agreed to   um with the trying to get to some our own  districts plus or our our own schools plus   more outside and the uh vice president is

365the  one who's in charge of coordinating that. And so   that's what I was getting at. If if the language  doesn't sound right, the language sounds very you it it 100% okay with us. I do like Yeah, it  is. We got to change the language every two   years and then some sort of encouragement to go  beyond that, but like making me reportable to the   vice principal and he's going to vice principal  he's going to tell me I didn't do my job and like   no totally okay with that for me. I just want to  bring it into alignment with what we had already   agreed to the the change we had already agreed  to on this. So awesome. That's pretty specific   like that's specific to us and we're trying to  keep this more general. That's fair. So, I

366mean,   I think you're in the weeds and we're trying to  be a little Yeah. Okay. So, we can totally fine   finessing that language. So, write your name on  it. Um any additional add any additional comments   you'd like to and then let's get these to Karen as  you leave um here today. Okay. Pass them down to   me and I'll take care of it. Pass them down. He'll  get them to Karen. So, as we wrap up here today,   two things I wanted to share with you and  then we'll close out. So, real quickly,   I've added two tools in here. These are what are  my favorite board tools that Arbinger provides.   They're ones that will solve you save you a lot  of headaches as board members. Um, so I want to   quickly reference those. We're not going to

367fill  them out or do them. I just want you to know you   have them there as part of your toolkit. The first  one here is called who's affected. How many of you   have made a decision that you thought was really,  really great and you got four people upset at you?   Right? We all done that and as a board we got  to make decisions together. So this is a simple   tool you can use whenever something comes to to  to if you're going to take action you're going   to make a decision to ask yourself who will be  affected by that decision to thoughtfully have   that conversation discussion who will be affected  by it how will they be affected by it and how will   that change how we approach to come to it so it's  one of those

368tools you want to just print off have   it on your desk have it somewhere pull it out  anytime you're about to take action or make a   decision that will invite you to take into account  others when you're making that decision or taking   action. Second one here is called help others feel  appreciated. As you all have mentioned many times,   we all are really busy and we have a lot on our  plate. We're moving through things quickly. So,   this is a tool that allows you to get really  intentional about taking just a moment. It's   one of those other It's one of those tools I  love to just print on my desk, have a couple of   them there. Every once in a while, taking a moment  and asking myself, who might not feel appreciated   here for the good

369work that they've done? They've  served on a committee and did a ton of homework.   They visited a couple additional schools. They  did they they showed up at a program and shared   right and cabinet members who provided you with  detail on something that you knew took them extra   hours to do that. Take just a minute to say thank  you. Just a minute to show appreciation. You'll   motivate people more by showing your appreciation  than you ever will for criticizing for the things   they don't do. And so, and we don't do it  not because we don't want to. We're just   moving quickly. So it takes intentionality to ask  ourselves who will be affected, who might not feel   appreciated. So they're just two simple tools.  Keep on your desk, keep somewhere close. You can   copy them, print them off.

370These are tools I had  on my desk that I felt like were super helpful   and found helpful in board work. And so I wanted  to share those with you. And then real quickly,   we'll wrap up. Just any last minute takeaways um  from our time together today. And so any takeaways   from our time and you can stay passive too, but  any takeaways from our time? Yeah, I think for me   the takeaway was just um I felt like today we had  this is a great example of how we work together   um to come to um understanding have good  discussion um and it just makes me feel like um   we can be productive. Awesome. Awesome. Uh I just  appreciated the exercises and kind of thinking   about um like you said maybe where I am do where  I lean

371to uh or which area I lean to and then   maybe how I can react to different situations.  Awesome. Awesome. Great. Thank you. I appreciated   we actually kind of got to talk to each other and  find out more about each other. I love that. That   was that was awesome. That's the best, Michael.  Yeah, I appreciated the um you know the inward   outset versus out outward mindset. um you know  and just a reminder to stay humble and you know uh   self-reflect. I appreciated the um the getting to  know better and also when we when we went to spots   to I think even if you know where someone falls  then you know how better to see where they're at   and and understand why they're coming they're  coming forward in the way they're coming which   makes you help them

372get out of the box. Awesome.  Awesome. Yeah. just and and someone asked me once,   can I when I'm outward, can I actually see  that somebody's inward? And uh and absolutely,   being outward is not rosecolored glasses. Being  outward is seeing people as people. When I'm   inward and I see someone else's mindset is inward,  I uptake it. I use it as justification for how I   treat them. But when I'm outward and I see that  someone else is having a challenge and is inward,   I have compassion upon it because I've been there,  too. I know what that's like. I understand. and   the last thing I want to do is make that harder  for them, right? So, I really appreciate that   comment. Well, my takeaway was this was  our beginning of creating our new team. Um,   and just some

373of the conversations were had that  people are struggling or working with the same   kind of concerns, the same kind of um things they  want to improve. Um, and just being at the same   page, maybe for different reasons, but we're at  the same place. We're all peaceful. Love that,   Chris. and just proud to be part of the team. I  appreciate um everybody. I know it's a long day   and we still got some more work to do. Um  so u and Mike always appreciate you taking   the time to uh to be with us. So just thank  you everybody. Hey, thank you. Back to you.   Excellent. Thank you so much. Um all right.  Um we are at another break, but we are behind   schedule as we always are. Um and so pretty close.  We're getting better, but we're

374still not great. All right. So, let's take five minutes. Uh, do  we have snack or snacks in the back? And we do.   And then the firm's here, so they'll come in and  get set up, but there's a little little something   help get you through the rest of the afternoon.  Okay, let's try to make it 5 minutes, but buffer. All right, let's bring it back. Looks like  we've got everybody at least in place. Um,   next item is superintendent search process  discussion. Uh, Miss Levasser, take it away. Okay. Oh, there we go. It's always delay. Good  afternoon, uh, board president Vargas, board   of trustees, superintendent Hoffman, Miss Avalos,  fellow, uh, cabinet colleagues. I'm excited today   to, um, have this group present to you and provide  you some information and have a discussion,   uh, regarding the superintendent search 

375process. So, I'm going to introduce you   to the three U consultants that will be working  with us over the next couple of months. You have   uh Miss Jackie Horsch here. Uh Miss Blanca uh  Cavazos. Perfect. Thank you. Worked on it. And   Mr. David Verduga. Get it right. Okay. All right.  I'm going to turn it over to them. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. And good afternoon, trustees.  It is so nice to see you again. and we're very   very excited to be at the beginning stages of our  process. So what I'd like to do is I'd like to   call your attention to the u document that you  should have in front of you. It's uh entitled   initial meeting discussion items. If you could  pull that out, I'd like to walk you through that. Does everybody have it?

376It should be in the packet you received. Yes, it  should be if if everybody has access, it should   be in your um online. Yeah. So, we may not have it  in physical form, but we should have it on online. Are we okay? Okay. Terrific. So this  is a discussion outline that you'll see   u everything that we're going to be talking  about uh today in open session and then when   we are finished with our uh open session items  we will uh adjourn into close session to discuss   uh personnel items. So number one is  just talking about the review of the   search process and that's what we're going to  be doing step by step by step with you today.   We're going to really be trying to nail down  the dates so everybody has everything in their   calendars

377and you'll know exactly what we're doing  and when we're doing it. So the first thing I   want to find out from you is we generally have a  board liaison. It could be the board president. It   could be the president and anybody the vice  president. But this is just for logistics.   Sometimes there are just some quick questions  that we might have that doesn't require the   entire board to respond. So um who would you  like to have as the uh designated liaison you want to do? Oh, do we want Oh, so do we want it to be  the subcommittee or do we want it to be a   member of the subcommittee? I'm fine. Beth  Beth has offered. So, I'm fine with that   unless anybody has a unless anybody has an  objection. Okay. You know what? I can't.

378So,   Beth is going to be the No, you know what? I would  love to, but I I now that I think of it, I have   like three blocks of travel scheduled in the next  3 months. So, I don't think I'm the right person. Do you want to do it, Jennifer? Jennifer.  Okay. Okay. I don't go anywhere. I know. [Music] Great. So, it'll just be Jennifer.  you'll be our contact person,   the leasison. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Um,   and do you want to make sure like Lisa like so  Jennifer and Lisa as a having a staff member? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, the next thing is just to make sure  that Lisa and her staff have received all   the guidelines and templates from Penny.  So, I don't know if Lisa is still here.   Lisa, did you get

379everything you needed from our  executive assistants, from our search specialists? Yes, I did. Oh, good. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. And um I'd like  to ask you board members, do you want us to   uh communicate with you via your district email  or do any of you prefer using a personal email?   I think we would prefer district emails across the  board. Perfect for Y. Great. Okay. David is going   to walk you through the next session. Thank you,  Jackie. Excuse me. Good afternoon, everyone. Um,   we're on number five in that agenda item that you  see. Blanca behind me here will be taking down   various notes so that we're making sure that we  capture a variety of the time frames um and dates   and so on. But if you could are able to see that  agenda number five, we

380want to discuss the use   of input from the board, the stakeholder groups,  and the online survey results in the development   of what we call the position profile or the job  description, if you will. And so I wanted to make   sure that the board affirms the stakeholder groups  for the input sessions. There is a second page   someplace on your computer there. It's a template  and it says superintendent search education   partner input sessions and community forum. And it  looks like this. And what it is is just a catalyst   for you to add to this list should you now during  this period of time come up with any other um   groups perhaps or stakeholder groups or affinity  groups that you are interested in us speaking to.   So, if you wouldn't mind taking a moment and  just looking at

381that list and really kind of   u popcorning popcorn this with any comments that  you'd like to add um in terms of this particular   list. So, you'll see there we have about 15 which  is pretty typical but there may be some unique   groups and stakeholder groups that you'd like to  ask to be interviewed by us regarding their input   for the next superintendent. So, I'll just open it  up. I'll I'll start really quick. Um so you have   uh the teachers association and CSEA which is  what you would normally have uh at a district.   Um we are not a normal district and so I'm sure  you all have heard. Um we have more than uh more   than a few bargaining partners. Um so I think  our preference would be that you reach out to and   uh and and

382talk with all of our bargaining  partners to the extent that you're able to   and we'll be able to capture that Mr. Vargas  with Lisa. Excellent. If I may. Thank you,   Miss Moore. I think you had others. Yes. Thank  you. I just wanted to point out with the parent   partners, I I mean I like that idea. I did want  to point out though that um not every school has   PTA reps and so to be uh I'm assuming every  school has a school site council though. So,   I think that would be the best way to make  sure that we're being fair. Uh, so that each   school has equal representatives, equal amount  of representatives. Uh, just because I I know   for sure at least one of my schools doesn't have  a PTA. Um, and I'm sure there's others.

383And then   I like the idea of the open community forum. Is  that usually just one or like in our district   since we have such a correct a large area, would  we do multiple locations? Yeah, we would work   with Lisa on that. Most likely a community forum  would exist in two different venues or locations   within this school district. It can be divided in  terms of geographically where you believe we need   to have a meeting with our community forum. Um  it could be held on the same evening but again   u somewhat divided if you will. Uh don't know  if that makes sense. In other words, we would   be available typically from 5 to 7. Or if those  hours are not um amanable to your client pool,   we could make it the hours that you feel are most 

384important because of parents working, for example,   that kind of thing. Um, usually they're held in  a multi-purpose room, perhaps a library. Uh we   have found however if I may for a moment that the  community forums are not as well attended as u as   the information that we gather from our surveys  and of course the personal zoom information andor   personal contacts that we make. Uh we want to make  sure that we have a community forum. Uh but at the   same time um they're they're just not as well  attended because of our busy lives I think. But   we can divide that up and typically unless there's  three sites that you think geographically because   it's such a large school district we would need  to do that. Yeah. Well, I mean our our district   is very widespread geographically. We

385have cover  three cities and um so I just want to make sure   that we're making the these opportunities  accessible to everyone. So by all means and   we believe in that as well. Yeah. And I would  I would echo that as well. I think, you know,   given where we are right now as a district and  the issues that are um prevalent, I would think   you would want one in Elk Grove, which is sort  of a defined community, one in South Sacramento,   unincorporated um and then one in the Rancho area.  I think those tend to be our big blocks um in   terms of where the the issues tend to be salient  and and similar. Excellent. And as I mentioned,   Blanca is capturing a lot of this as well, so  that we'll be able to uh review it

386again at some   point or members. Anything else, honey? Um, did  we mention equity councils already? We did. Did   we say it already? Okay. I don't think we did,  but Okay. We we have an equity council at every   um high school, which is a perfect way to get in  to the high schools with students. And then um and   I'm I cannot think of the correct name. Concerned  parents African-American. The one the ones at   Laguna the one that started Laguna Creek High  School. Yeah. Miss Joy Brown's group. Concerned   African concerned African-American parent group.  Yeah. Concerned African-American parents group.   I I would like you to meet with them, please.  That's important. in that same thing. Lisa,   we have other parent other parent groups that we  might want to consider. The um at Valley has the   Latina group. We

387have Santario Metaposa. We have  that group. Uh we also have our FBSU, Families of   Black Students United group. Okay. Maybe FBSU is  what I'm thinking. I think Student Union. Is that   the one? Yeah, Families of Black Students United.  Families of Okay, I think that's the one. But um   those two groups and they with an interpreter and  just an an open way to have that conversation for   for those group groups please. We also have  a Cantonese caregiver group. [Music] Could   we also include our egg speaks group? So we are  including our special ed. Yeah speaks. Yeah. I   think it would be important for us to um if it's  not um not end up being a forum but um something   that's really accessible for if it's like a QR  code for any survey that goes out that

388can be   um highlighted on our social media so that we can  spread it very widely um um specifically to like   the welcome centers if we can put something up um  that would make it accessible in multiple language   multiple languages um in the caregiver cafes in  addition to our community um partners uh cuz those   definitely have families that are very interested  in vested in their kids' education and I know that   um they take time to go to the caregiver cafes  they'll probably want to be involved in this as   well and if I may miss Baldwin that's an excellent  idea and we have found that we are doing that more   often now connecting with city councils with the  city manager to help us advertise the surveys that   are out there and the QR code has been utilized 

389previously So, we'll make sure to capture that.   Thank you. Anything else? When you when you meet  with people, do you normally now that you're you   mentioned it, um do you normally meet with city  city officials, city staff uh when you're doing   this? I'm I'm not mistaken. I think it's  on there, but I could be wrong. Mr. Vargas, number 13, service clubs, chambers, reps, business  partners. But more specifically, I will put down   city representatives. Yeah, I think typically it's  the city managers. We work we work closely with   this the the various cities that um particularly  obviously Rancho right now, Elkrove where there's   um significant amount of growth and so their  perspective would be valuable. If I may ask,   we have a CSD which is rather unique to our city.  CSD immunity service district. Okay. Um we

390work   very closely with them in uh facility sharing  and that's probably the biggest but um we we have   a very good relationship with them and and value  that. How about law enforcement? Is that important   as well? It would be. Okay. Yeah, we would. That  would be valuable. And um the fire department and   emergency services actually in our CSD in Elkrove.  And we make efforts to try to consolidate those   group meetings, if you will. So, if it's a city  manager, we may be asking three city managers   to be on the Zoom call with us or to meet at a  facility accordingly. Great. Okay. Anything else?   And if, by the way, something else does come up,  feel free to contact us and or perhaps Lisa and   Lisa can contact us and add it to that list prior 

391to starting or kicking that off. The next item   under number five, um the bullet I should say  is the position description itself. Very often   there's a community um uh narrative. We you most  likely have that on your website. In other words,   what Elkrove is, who you serve, that kind of  thing. But we will eventually be creating a   position description that describes the uh skills,  the experiences, the skill set that you desire   most in the next superintendent. Um that being  said and that will make that will go forward and   it'll be available on our web on our website on  your website, but we will require a salary range.   We don't need that today, but if you'll begin  to contemplate what your current superintendent   um and his compensation is and or u anything that  comes up that

392you'd like us to provide you in some   terms of any comparability u current districts um  similar districts, you're unique in that you're   I believe the fourth largest school district in  the state if I'm not mistaken. And so that will   come into play. But we do have information that  will provide, it's called a J90, and it provides   really some great information for you to review  and to look at when you begin to contemplate   uh the salary range because we do need to put  that on our position description. Thank you.   Um building on I'm sorry. Building on that, Mr.  Superintendent um in order to inform that would   you provide us uh the board in a BC or something  the um remind us of the salaries uh the like high   level salary ranges for the deputies that way

393we  at least have something to look at I mean we have   the one that we just did we just did mine in um in  July so we so we we have the latest one that the   board approved so we can provide that yeah that'd  be helpful that's a very good point as far as that   gap is concerned between your superintendent  and your cabinet members Excellent. If I may,   I'm going to go on to the U third bullet and that  is basically that when we do post and have the   position description available, um we intend  to send that to Lisa and that in turn will be   provided to you through your consensus andor the  leazison group I should say u for you to share   with the balance of the board. uh and basically  it's your thumbs

394up or okay on that position   description. Once we have that available for the  board, we are able to make some changes within   typically a 2 or three day period of time. Uh if  there's something that you'd like us to remove,   eliminate, or add to that position description  that you think is important, we're able to do that   prior to posting it officially for applicants  to con to contemplate or have consideration   for. And that'll be sent out on our website as  well. I think that that'd be something that the   subcommittee would do. Does that make sense? Yeah.  Except I can't email everybody. Lisa can, right? After the subcommittee works on it, Lisa  can do it. Does that work? I mean, I mean,   I think that would be the what the subcommitteees  part of what the subcommittee is

395charged with   doing. So, I would so I would I would do  it within the subcommittee because doing   it outside of otherwise it's got to be an  agenda conversation, right? If it's not if   it's not done within the subcommittee and  Dr. Hoffman is correct. I I was referring   to it as a leazison group. I forgot you had the  subcommittee that you've already established. So,   that's exactly correct. Yeah. So doing it  through the subcommittee makes sense and   we can that way we can do it quickly and  we don't get into Brown Act issues through   consensus and no Brown Act issues and  no doctor over here. Sorry I didn't okay it will you'll provide us with it but I'm going  to say this is the first time I've done it like   what's a sample of one do we

396have the one we  put out for Chris do um Mr. Hoffman um some   some sort of as as a person on the subcommittee I  would like a little sure help with that when that   time comes. There are two things I would suggest  that yes if there was a position description for   Mr. Hoffman previously you may want to have that  at your fingertips. We can certainly provide you   some samples as well and you can begin to see  how that flows. Typically, it begins with again   a pos a a description of your community, a  description of the district specifically,   how many students, who you cover, that kind  of thing geographically. But it also creates   this this list, if you will. We desire a  superintendent who is an equity warrior,   understands the importance of fiscal and financial  obligations,

397holds people accountable, but we'll   provide a sample and I think that will gel with  everybody in terms of the position description.   uh it may be uh a bit larger than other position  descriptions because of the size of this district   and you create that based on the feedback from all  the people. Correct. That is correct. Because when   I did this last time, I was a parent who went to  Pleasant Grove High School and sat there and was   able to say, I want to make sure my student my  my superintendent has these qualities. And that's   correct. That's the conversation we had. So, I've  done it from that side. Okay. Thank you. Yes. And   we'll get to that at the latter point of this  agenda. We'll be more specific with regards to   those experiences, skill set, traits that

398you  desire most in the next superintendent. Okay.   Um the next is the online survey. It's the  fourth bullet under number five. The online   server survey dates and specific languages. We are  able to provide the survey in English, Spanish,   Cantonese, Farsy, Vietnamese, Mong, but we have  no Hindi. And so as a result, we would need   some assistance on the part of the district with  respect to that language should those languages be   requested by the board for the survey information.  We we can sorry, we can provide that. We that is   one of our top languages. So we are able to  do that if you would like. And if I may ask,   Lisa, that is a predominant language that you  feel or the board feels we need to have that   survey in. Yes. Excellent. Yeah. And again, that 

399speaks volumes of the size and the capacity of   your school district. So again, I'll just repeat  English, Spanish, Cantonese, Farsy, Vietnamese,   Mong, and we will get assistance with the Hindi  language. Okay. Um, with regards, however,   to dates, we do have a tenative timeline that we'd  like to share with you and or have you contemplate   that. When we first gave our presentation, we  had some dates in mind that um were created   that met the um the really the obligation to  have a superintendent available for you uh on   a certain period of time. So those dates, number  four, fourth bullet down from number five, online   survey date. I've already covered the languages,  but we had are suggesting between August 25th and   September 5th. That's a quality period of time  to have those available. That ser that online  

400survey will be available on your website.  And again, as Miss Baldwin said, we will try   to establish other um options for that survey to  be available to our parents and to stakeholders. So again, that's okay. Timewise, board members.  Um I know. Okay. No matter when we do it, there's   going to be a track off at some point in time.  So I don't know. I was just getting my calendar   out to look and see um when the different tracks  change over and maybe we need to be able to have   it running partway through one partway through the  through the next one. Is that something we want to   do? I know that they need to do that um for the  teachers the EGA they always have issues with   running things that way. What's our thoughts? If  I

401may, I will share with you that we work directly   with our site principles. There's many occasions  when we will reach out to the site principles to   encourage and to um get that information out  during any track that you might have. Okay.   Mhm. That is a good point though because that  could potent if staff that are off track or on   vacation or something or students and families,  they might not be checking their communications   and that could it could um potentially  limit their u opportunity I guess. Yeah,   exactly. And if you have parent square for example  or connect ed that's another way in which we can   blast out the fact that there's a survey available  and the information pertaining to how to get on   to that survey. We can use talking points and and  that will go

402out to every family. We also have it   uh a lot of our schools our year- round schools  have it by track so they can make sure that they   get that out as well. Okay. We will put it  out in all of our various platforms. Okay.   because I'm just during that time period the  only track off is B track but I know that's a   large track too. I would hate for them to miss  out on the opportunity. I think we encourage   it so much that it's it'd be hard to to miss the  opportunity to take that survey specifically the   survey. That was my question is do we think that  the twoe window is enough? That's a pretty short   window. Typically we've had about two week period  of time. There's times when we've extended it to   two

403and a half weeks or so, but that provides us  the opportunity to gather the information again,   get back to that position description, which is  so important for us to to have available for the   board to contemplate yay or nay so that we can get  the ball rolling for applicants accordingly. So,   there is some timing factors here of course that  come into play. There's a holiday in there, too,   with Labor Day. So, it's nine days technically.  How long does um your organization need to   um analyze the data from the surveys to move us  to the next step? I think it's typically one week.   Yeah. Usually our executive assistants can get  that done within one week period of time. Yeah.   So if our next item on the timeline is consultants  confer with staff and communities design. So  

404that input would be in combination with the  survey data, right? The survey data wouldn't   um influence what happens the 8th through  the 19th. There's no conflict whatsoever   there. Okay. So we could extend the survey. Um it  wouldn't it wouldn't be an issue, I don't think.   When would you absolutely need the date by for to  complete the next item on the timeline? I think   if we were to flow into the September 8th when  we are actually designated to receive input that   next item that you see on the timeline, I would  venture that we would use it for another three   or four days. So perhaps the 8th or maybe even the  9th of September. I'd be okay with that. Yeah. And   we can be a little bit flexible on this cuz we had  initially thought um our

405initial initial schedule   had us approving the superintendent in December  and this one has us approving it in November. So   we have a little bit of flexibility there on the  back end as well if we need to push things out a   little bit. I don't want to go crazy there um  because Lord knows something's going to come   up. Always does. And so, you know, I want that  buffer, but if we need to be a little flexible,   we can be a little flexible moving things around.  That may be determined by the idea that you have   perhaps one board meeting in December. So, we  have two board meetings in December. The first   one is is theoretically a special is a workshop.  Um, but we can also just have a special board   meeting to address this if we need

406to. Yeah. The  superintendent's contractor approval must be done   in a regularly scheduled board meeting. Okay.  So then would be the 16th if we if we push into   um into December is busy meeting tracks back on  the 12th. Am I reading that right? It's really   small. No, the the teachers come for half day.  That's a minimum day there. The 15th is their   first day back. September. Yes. But again,  respectfully, I we don't really think that   that's going to be an issue as a result of how we  blast this out and how we inform your community. They're off already. Okay. Okay. Well, that then next takes us to what  Miss Baldwin brought up, and that is September 8th   through 19th is when we would be either directly  here in person or perhaps setting up various Zoom   meetings.

407Um, if all three of us can be here on,  let's say, a 2 to three day period of time, we can   uh basically complete quite a few of the in-person  and/or Zoom meetings that we will begin to set   up via Lisa. Um, we know that Lisa obviously  has great contact with those people that we've   already listed on this list of ours and it'll be  a matter of giving them an invitation, setting up   a time schedule for them. Typically, we would be  meeting with as many as maybe perhaps 10 people,   perhaps a little bit more if it's in person. and  over about a 35 minute minute period of time is   where we're able to capture their thoughts as  stakeholders of those things that they desire   most in the next superintendent. So again,  datewise, um September 8th

408through the 19th,   we'd like to stick to that. Okay. Okay. Moving on  on the agenda and getting into now um number six   and the bullets that are behind that. We feel that  the AXA edcal publication the spec specific dates   would be September 1st and the 15th. In other  words, announcing to um all of the administrators   in the state of California who are AXA members  that this job is available and open. That's   more of a technical date. It's just what they do.  However, I will ask whether or not you would like   us to advertise in any other publications. So,  for example, Kulsa or CASSA. Kalsa, California   Association of Latino Superintendent, CASA,  the California Association of African-American   Administrators and Superintendent. Yes, please.  Yes. Those both on Okay. Okay. So, are we saying   that the um posting is

409going to close on the 15th?  We are suggesting no the deadline for application   will be October 3rd. However, uh informing various  administrators who are might be interested as   candidates or applicants those two particular that  particular publication edcal is really critical   for us. Okay. And I I mean we could use edoin but  in terms of edjoin they would have to transfer our   application paperwork into a different format.  So we tend to stay away from ED joint. So EDCAL   and the affinity groups that I mentioned. The only  other group that I didn't mention is Kappell, the   California Association of Pacific Islanders. Oh,  three. Yeah. Okay, everybody. Okay, last chance.   Chris, it's getting down there. Are we advertising  in any um things outside of California?   Yes, we have a wide variety of interested folks  throughout the entire nation

410who belong to our   website, if you will. And when we blast out to,  if I'm not mistaken, over 3,000 individuals,   uh, many of those are nationally based as  well. Yeah. That being said, then, um, we've   established the dates for the input sessions,  the EDCL, and so on. Um closing date would be   I'm sorry I apologize the date for us to meet I'm  sorry again October 3rd would be the deadline for   applications if we're okay with that and I think  that meets with any timelines that Mr. Vargas   brought up and then in October uh consultants  complete comprehensive reference checks. We'll   be doing that but it's October 16th which is a  special meeting which can take as many as 2 hours   2 and 1/2 hours in which we would meet with the  board and provide you all

411of the application and   this is where you would begin to select your  candidates to be interviewed. Prior to that,   about a week prior to that, you will be provided  all applications via an a special readonly email,   view onlyly email. So, you're able to see all of  the applications that have been submitted to us.   Um, leadership associates, we provide you that  information about a week ahead of time prior   to this particular meeting on October 16th. So  you'll have an opportunity to review them, uh   begin to maybe jot down questions that you might  have. What we will do on that particular date,   October 16th, from our reference checking and our  vetting process, we will bring forward to you what   we consider to be the top tier candidates,  the tier one candidates, tier 2 candidates,   and tier three

412candidates. Um this is going to be  based on the position description obviously that   you have generated. And so having that as our  tool, if you will, this is what the best match   and fit comes up with. It might be five people. It  could be seven people. And that's not to say that   tier 2 are individuals that don't make the cut.  They're outstanding individuals, but there's some   traits and experiences that put people in the tier  one category that best match and fit your position   description. Questions there on the dates? I think  we prefer Tuesdays if that's at all possible. Um   just cuz we have those already set aside for  board meetings. And so just you just kind of   thinking looking at dates um the postings the 1st  and the 15th this would be pushing it a

413bit but   if you had the applications due September 26th  instead of October 3rd we have a special meeting   um already scheduled on the 7th. We'd have we'd  we have important topics to talk that day already,   but we could we could do a a section to allow  the the board to um to work through that if we   wanted to stay within existing um meetings. And  this could certainly be a special meeting for   two two and a half hours. I understand Chris's  point about trying to line that up, but we do   have deadlines and certain works taking place  within this calendar that we need to establish   with our executive assistance uh in order to  have everything ready for you accordingly. Um we do we could certainly do  Tuesday, October 14th. So,   let's t let's put a pin

414in um you know the  14th and board members uh Mr. Superintendent,   can you confirm with everybody that they're  available for that day, please? Can we do   that right now? In case anybody didn't have their  schedule and we wanted to do it later, but we can   do it now if everybody has their schedules out.  I'm good on the 14th. 14th. I'm good on the 14th. That works for me. I have soccer practice. Just  kidding. I'll make it work. That was your So I can   do it. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate it. All right.  Okay. Next item in terms of the time frame that   you see there. I'm going to be the bad one on that  one. I am out of town on family vacation. See,   he goes out of town at that entire week. I  specifically set

415this one up because we had   all of our dates in and I told my family, you  get this week. So, not that week. And that was   what is there was if there was any way to do the  application and say we could go to the 21st. We   have a regular meeting scheduled that day. So, so  we could do a we could do a special meeting ahead   of the regular meeting. That would be early. We  could do everybody could get there. What? How how   many how long did you say you needed? 2 hours 2  and a half hours and the 21st would work. We just   checked our calendars. So if we started at 3:00  on the 21st I am gone on the 21st. No 21st. Are   you gone that entire week or? Yeah, that's true.  this

416far. Yeah, that's why I was trying to work   work off of the the 7th as the um reviewing the  um applications, but the only way that works is   if the applications were due September 26th to  give you folks time to do what you needed to do. Chris, we think that's doable. It's I mean, it's  tight, but but if we're going to do So, we're   going to do um a posting on the 1st, a posting  on the 15th, and um and they're due on the 26th,   and then special board meeting. We have we have  some important stuff to do on October 7th. So,   I just let the board know that it's going to be  it'll be a a long day again because we because   we we're going to be working through budget pieces  as well, but

417it's taking advantage of time we have   and we um can we call in for a close session?  Either of us could do that. Neither of you here   on the seventh either. I mean, oh um seventh.  Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can do the seventh. Yeah,   that's what we're talking about now is October  Seventh. Seventh. Seventh. Not the 14th, not   the 21st, but now the 7th. Because you have that  on your calendar. You should have that on your   calendars already. Does that Does that give you  all enough time? Yes, sir. Squeeze in. Okay. So,   October 7th, then most likely what I'm hearing  is you have a regular board meeting that or   special board meeting. We have a special board  meeting that day. But we can we can figure out   what time works for you folks and

418then we'll  then we have the other the other topics. So,   just know it'll be a long day. Yeah. and  we'll make it convenient for you. If you   decide for have us available at 3, that's fine.  And you start your special board meeting at 5,   whatever the case might be. Okay.  So, now we're looking at October 7th. And that being said, we had originally  November 1st for board interviews. That that is a Saturday. Is everybody with that?  It's an all day. Out of the country. You're out   of the country. I'm home on the 2nd. I I  I didn't think we'd do it on a weekend. Was the 8th? October 25th. Perfect. I I'm  asking, but that's if that if that's possible,   that'll work as well. She's still gone. I'm gone.  I'm gone October 18th through November

4192nd. I'm   going on a two week vacation. Can we push it  back? Or does does that squish too much? Does   the eighth work? Sure. It's my birthday. Me being  on my birthday, too. Why not? We got Measure M   on my birthday. I'm sure all the candidates  will love us for sitting there eating cake   while they're interviewing. I'll bring cookies  instead. It's less conspicuous. Let us bring   you something. What might Saturday, November  8th, look like for the board. Do that. The 8th. Okay. Looks like that works. Okay. Saturday,  November 8th. Thank you. Thank you. Gosh. Do   you know about what time did you I'm sorry. Did  you already say that we would begin most likely   to with an orientation for the board on Saturday,  November 8th, beginning as early as 7:30. But   again, we can talk

420about that. That orientation  typically takes place about a half an hour. Um,   starting our uh interviews, let's say, at 8,  typically a 55m minute period of time for each   interview, a small break, five or seven minutes  before the next candidate. We have a process that   we facilitate where the candidate will come  in to wherever the location or the venue is.   We place them in a separate office so that they  don't overlap each other. As you are interviewing   someone, we ask that the next candidate come in  about a half an hour prior to their interview. We   have a waiting station for them. They never cross  over. We dismiss the one candidate. We bring in   the next. And that's um another thing that we'll  contemplate is the number of questions that the   board will uh wish to

421ask and which questions  uh you'll wish to ask. Many times the position   description will somewhat semidescribe the kinds  of questions that you're going to want to uh   generate or contemplate, but we'll we'll need to  do that as well. But uh it's a long day depending   upon if you interview five people, we're looking  at the 5:00 p.m. mark. if you're looking at others   uh more people um it's a it's extended a little  bit further. I'm not sure if you're early birds,   but and typically there's refreshments there  for you. Some type of continental breakfast,   a lunch break. Um refreshments towards the latter  part of the interviews. U generally we could   interview three people in the morning hours having  a break and then two people in the afternoon if   it's seven. And what we'll do is we will

422actually  provide you samples of interviews for five people,   six people or seven people so that you can get a  snapshot or an idea of what that day looks like   for you. So So the other the other component  with that with the group is they're going to   I'm assuming going to want to have a community  um panel as well. So it'll be Oh, okay. That's   that's what was done previously. There was a a  staff I have was there two of them and and the   board interview. I think there were there may have  been two interviews before the board interview if   I remember. It's been 11 years. It's been a while.  I mean the more the marrier. We should at least   subject them to what we do to a principal. It's  fair. So if you're contemplating a

423community panel   as well then generally the applicant will start  with the community panel and then jump over to the   board interview panel. So we will alternate that  or schedule that accordingly. Uh we generally have   one community panel. So I'm not sure if there's  a combination of of representatives on that panel   and they're they're obviously not voting. It's  the board's responsibility there. Board members,   do you want to do a PI group last time? Did PI  do it last time? Yeah, we had um I believe we had   uh the president of each of the or someone from  each of the bargaining units and I'm trying to   remember who else. I know John Shook was there  because he always reminds me that he hired me.   So I was there too. Uh I agree with Oh, sorry.  Well, I

424agree. Don't our principles have three   sets of interviews? I mean, so it does kind of  make sense that we I like the idea of having   three sets of interviews for the superintendent.  But so what do we think? So assuming we do that,   um what are the So we are one set of interviews.  Who are the other two? It sounds like we want our   PI group or union leaders uh or bargaining  unit leaders. Um do we and community   Is there a way to do a parent panel or serve  on that? How many people is that? I mean,   they could be as I mean, probably don't want them  to be too big, but you know, there's probably some   flexibility in the size they can be. We could do  a board panel, a community panel, which is made  

425up of parents and community partners, and then if  you so desire, PI or union leads May I ask was it   done during a two-day period of time previously  or one day because the the logistics are becoming   a little bit more unique. Did you block that out  or do you fully remember? I mean I I think I Yeah.   The way the way it worked is we we actually met  this this is going to be I think it's crazy but   I think we met offsite um and I actually had um  a brief conversation with um two members, two   members and three members um separate just just as  a kind of get to know conversation. Um then I then   I went to then I came here And I interviewed um  in the yeah I interviewed um with a

426with a large   panel um the community panel. I'm trying to think  if there was a second one or it was all done in   one. I I don't I blanked it out and then then  I had the interview with the uh with the board. There was at least one other major panel if I may  ask. So the venue for the board's interview was   here at the district office and the community one  as well. The the initial conversation I think was   at Valley High Country Club actually. I think we  had they had the initial um you know I went like   three or four different rooms and just said yeah  and that was one day or Yes sir. Wow. All right.   And that may I don't know how many candidates  they had. So if if there were fewer

427that would   make it more feasible to do something like that.  Correct. Um it's like a trunker. I know we have   the space here to do I mean I don't know what's  booked so I'd have to look but if you wanted to   do three different panels and do kind of a round  robin like we do with community generally we've   centralized the community and the community  panels that we've worked with along with the   board so that the location is literally an office  or a building that's next door not necessarily   having to drive any one place or the other. Oh  yeah the logistics for all three here. Yeah,   we could do all of them here, right? Um, okay. So,  what I'm hearing is we like the idea of three. So,   us, a community panel, theoretically  a community panel,

428and a PI panel. Um,   staff, we need some staff probably. That needs  to be some sort of mix in there some. So do we   so for one of them do we want to make it  a mix of um you know bargaining partners,   staff um anything else that anyone else who  should be in that one? That makes sense. And   then like parents and community members would  be your community one community because that   mirrors what a principal is minus the community  member and the outreach to these people I'm   assuming would be through Lisa since we don't  know them. soon. Yeah. Yeah. And the sub do   that. Just an idea for the community panel.  I don't know how many people you would have,   but maybe a fair easy way to do it would be that  each trustee could

429choose a parent or community   member and that way each area is represented.  I don't know how many you would have, but I don't I don't have any objection  to that. That would be fine.   um you know at least one because that's seven so  that's still leaves a lot of room for additional   people if we want it to be a bigger panel or  if it makes sense um I would also think and   you know feedback on this fine to what extent  and where do we want to include student input yeah they got to be don't forget you will have the  survey and the community forum focus groups all   of that feedback which includes several student  groups and two community panels or whatever. You   could mix people up. You don't have to have like  only bargaining units

430in one and the other. You   could have them mixed however it balances out the  room. You could I kind of like the idea of having   them more specific because then those people  will have very specific questions that they'll   all kind of understand and be able to speak to  and and resonate with. Okay. Other thoughts,   board members? Well, if we needed to make  more room, the representatives are employees,   so they they would actually fulfill two roles as  a representative and as an employee, and we could   maybe fit our students in with them. Okay. I like  the idea of um somebody from each each region.   Heidi. Um, Miss Moore, sorry. Um but what  if we look at our superintendent advisory   committee people because they um regularly  interact with super the superintendent as it   is now and I

431believe they have a better view of  what's going on in the district as a whole just   because they've already committed those hours  throughout the year or years to see what they   would want there and there will be numerous of  them and maybe you you could um we or that they   can send an email who's interested and we could  pick one of them. That that would be a way to   narrow it down from all your people and tie it to  something that seems like almost a qualification   with an an education behind it to go in. I have  a question about um those panels like so are   these going to be like a free flow of questions or  are these pre-selected questions for each panel?   So they'll just strongly recommend pre-selected  questions like a like the principal's

432interview,   right? So then we would not want a ton of people  in there, right? Because we won't have that many   questions for everyone to ask. Yeah. But the  followup the it'll be like a principal well   where the questions will get asked, but then  the followup will be where we get the meat and   potatoes. And generally the board will have  available to them 12 questions within that 55   minute period of time that you desire that  you've agreed upon. So as far as the board   interviews are concerned that would be about  12 55 minutes perhaps an hour. The panels that   you're talking about I would suggest that we  have them sign a confidentiality statement. I think even if if we do these other panels,  maybe we only need nine or seven, you know,   each ask one kind

433of thing because we're  not in the first frame. It was all us. But   what we're doing is trying to be inclusive with  everybody and to take their input. So if we come   up with 12 questions, we could ask them to ask the  questions and then we'll get the feedback on it.   Typically, we would design or with your approval  separate questions that they have interest in and   they wouldn't be the same as what the board might  be asking. Makes sense. How many people do we have   in the superintendent's advisory? The one from  every school. The one Yeah. One thing we Well,   that's that's the there's one from every school.  They don't all show up, but there's one from every   school. Okay. So uh one one of the challenges  just from a dynamics of this whole thing

434and I   bet the search folks can help us with this  is um the confidentiality piece is is real   um and in these in these panels um you know  who's interviewing and and how that all works it.   So there's there's this balance of um inclusing  being inclusive and having people they're not   going to what they're going to do is they're  going to ask some questions and they're going   to take some notes and you guys are going to get  the notes. I mean it's going to be kind of what   what people thought but you're not going to want  those folks to vote and you guys get to you guys   get to make that's one of the um privileges of  being a board member that you get you get to make   that decision but you may want to

435hear what the  others have to say. Um but there there's a real   balance of how many people are included in that.  Um and then how conf how confidential folks are   about who came through those interviews, who who  came through those sessions. Um it's these are   these are people's lives and their livelihoods and  their you know and they're tied to their existing   school districts and their um um existing school  board. So there there's just something that we   have to be very mindful of. We we don't want to  have a forum you know where where the candidates   are coming in and and speaking to that because  because you can't have any you know it's going to   be ch no matter as soon as you have more than one  person there is the um the ability to keep

436things   confidential becomes less and less. So that's just  just something to keep in mind as we're kind of   working working through that. It's it's real and  in when people are applying for these positions.   It's an interesting phenomena when superintendents  are applying for other districts accordingly.   The common thought from their boards are you  want more pay or you don't love us anymore.   So that confidentiality aspect that Chris  mentioned is really very very important.   But I think too when we're pairing students with  adults, we need to keep in mind that the adults,   if they're community members, have not all been  fingerprinted or cleared. Um, we might want to   keep them with employees. I think the the students  will have a a lot of opportunity to go in. Um, if   anybody, it would be our student board rep

437would  be the only student I would suggest adding and and   that would probably be here. And then I I hadn't  really thought about that, but it it should be a   small amount of people so as to less the exposure,  but I think you have to count that our employees   are professional enough to understand that. And  do we feel like our community input through the   two different ways we've given is enough? They  met with the the group and they've given us   information and their wants and needs to go back  to two. That's if there is any possibility of   having only two panels. By that I mean the board  and one other panel. Maybe you consolidate them   somehow. That would really work out logistically  and time frame wise. I've heard the word three   out there because of

438your construct. Yeah. My I  mean uh obviously it's it's up to all of us. Um   you know my perspective is I would prefer more.  I'm we literally just had a entire conversation   where I was like give me more data. Um and like  the more information we get the better. And   I've in in being um in having done our principal  interviews and you know the I I like the just the   raw data that comes out of that, the perspectives,  the anecdotes, the the information. It's been very   helpful um in our decision-m in the past. And so  I my my view would be I'd prefer more um with the   caveat that I agree, you know, putting a having a  reasonable number of people in those interviews is   going to be important. They shouldn't be forums.  Um they

439should be panels. Um but having more of   them where there's two very clear, you know,  um purposes to them. Um, so I kind of like the   idea of saying we're going to have a community  panel and that really is going to be community   issues. What is the community's response to these  candidates? What is their perspective? What are   they looking for? And the people who work for the  district are going to have a very they're going   to be looking for different things. And I it's  I think it would be very valuable to us to see   what comes out of those two um panels because  I think it will be different. Okay. And what's   advantageous is there's three of us. Yeah. to be  able to balance that accordingly. Excellent. Just   remembered a group that I want to

440make sure that  we um include in whatever portion of the process   um is the Wilton Rancheria tribe. So, if we can  make sure we extend an invite to um yes, them as   our community partners. What was that again? And  our Indian education group. Yes, I will add that   to the list. Okay. I agree with Michael as far as  if we're I think I almost think we should either   just have the board interview or have the three  panels that we discussed because I also feel that   it's not really fair. I don't know if that's  the best word to only have a like a a union   and staff member panel because we the community  is important. So I I think if we're going to do   away with um with that panel, we should just have  the board

441panel. That's just my personal opinion.   Right. But at this stage, we're having two adjunct  panels and the board, right? A total of three   interview opportunities. Okay. So, do you So, what  guidance do you need from because we've thrown   a lot out here into four. We're really lucky  and that we have Lisa available to us as well.   As I mentioned, Blanca is capturing all of this  information for our for our benefit. As a matter   of fact, our executive assistant will be we'll  be contacting her right away as well. So, we'll   coordinate all of that. Okay, sounds good. Do you  do you want us to make a any further decision on   this or do you are do you have what you need? I  think we have what we need with respect to the   dates and particularly kind

442of the makeup of the  panel that will eventually come together. Again   I just mentioned the confidentiality aspect.  It popped into my mind and so that is a very   important aspect of things. You'll get some  looks out there. So that kind of thing. Yes. I think the composition of the panels has  been decided upon by the board according to   what you want Lisa to contemplate putting  together. Those that are employees of the   district and those that are true community  members. Is that is that sufficient guidance   for you? Do you need more from us? So yes,  but I want to make sure so I have um with   community is that one parent representative  from each area? That's the one I wanted to   make sure. So I I heard two things. Do we want  area or do we

443want school high school region? Yeah. Do we have a do we have a strong preference? So do we want nine or seven? Basically high school  regions is more inclusive. It is. And that that's   how we generally organize ourselves. And I think  Yeah. Yeah. And I think our high schools are tend   to be very unique um and have a unique character  that is worth being represented. So are we okay?   But that doesn't mean we're going to have  nine high school parents, right? I parents because I mean it's an elementary school like  that's not cool. I see what you're saying. It   would be schools within the high school region.  So nine regions. It does not have to be a high   school parent. And my suggestion from experience  is to to look to your superintendent who's your   representatives

444on your superintendent and see  who those are. And that's a I think it's a good   place to start to to ask someone for interest.  They've already shown interest in the district.   And we are gathering that list right now.  So we will have that the superintendent's   parent advisory list available to us. And  will that tell us which region they're in?   Yes. Okay. Good. Which high school region or  whatever. Okay. Per school. Mhm. Per school.   Perfect. Okay. Is there additional  guidance you need from us on that? The second group you spoke about was  the next one was the employees. Yeah.   So I have PI but then do you want beyond  that? Do you want beyond union leaders?   As Miss Davis pointed out they are  staff. Is PI two from every group?   Yes. Correct. Okay. So that's going

445to be  20 people. Yeah. So we need to go to one. So I think that two from every group. That's  that's how it's constructed. So we should ask   each um we should ask each of our bargaining  bargaining units to select someone. Okay.   That way we are not making that decision for  them. They get to do that for themselves. Um   and then do we want anybody beyond that?  Do we want to fill it out? I I'm thinking   somebody on that front table there should  one or two people from there with that. Yeah, just just draw straws. We'll let them decide like some sort of interest  shown. Yeah. and and I would say we'll leave it   to your thought process and or we'll request  your feedback in terms of others you think   would be appropriate for that

446group. Okay. So,  board community and then one representative from   each of the bargaining units and did I miss  anything? And we'll for that for that second   panel. It can be cabinet and if you think if  you have suggestions in terms of others who   are not reflected or a perspective that's not  reflected among that group let us know and I   think it's appropriate to have more than more.  Okay. A few more. Let's not go crazy. Got it. This is fun. Moody, are you going to be the  secretary to the superintendent? Did you   want to be on a panel? [Music] [Laughter]  You you if if you're going to be there,   you will have to work with them.  It I've seen that as a positive,   but it's up to you. We won't Jackie, we won't  put you on

447the spot. All right. All right. We're just contemplating again here  of the candidate selection date 30th. Where are we at here? So the issue is we've been  in touch with our um search specialist Penny Pile   who's going to be working real closely with with  Lisa and us and um she has you know told us that   she just doesn't think that we don't we don't have  enough time to vet the candidates from when our   um selection date is going to be uh versus when we  end our uh ad. So, we have that the deadline was   going to be September 26th. We changed that, but  then that only gives us about 9 days between that   uh end of the deadline to when we have our  candidate review on October 7th. And we are   anticipating a large number

448of candidates, usually  probably around 40, maybe larger than 40. That's a   lot of candidates. And we do an extensive vetting  process. So, we're, you know, a little concerned   that uh well, she's very concerned because  not only do we have to vet the candidates,   put them in tears, but then she has to do all of  the background in information to put it together   in the portal for all of you so that you're able  to look at it in the portal and decide which of   the candidates you want to um interview.  So, doesn't seem like there's enough time   Is there anything on the week of October  13th that people are available? Nope. That would give us So should we do that? Should we just look at  backward mapping it a little later? So instead   of having our

449application deadline in September  26th, maybe having it a little later that problem   is we're going to have board members that won't  be here the week of the 21st or October. Um,   we already tried. I think we get I think we get  it. If it's close session, can we call in Karen? If you post on your agenda the location  of where you'll be calling in from,   a majority of the board is present and the  location is accessible to the public to make   public comments from that location. There is  a way to do it. You're in Australia though. That's public. If they want to go to Australia,  they'll come see me in Sydney. I'll buy them a   drink. On the day of the interview, you will  open up in a public way or public session. If   you

450find people that you'd like that would  like to speak, they have the opportunity   to speak. Following that, you'll go into  close session with the actual interviews. We're not talking about missing the  actual interviews. We're talking about   when they bring us people, the applications. The  applications, the review of all the applications,   right? Okay. So, we're doing that  on the 16th. That's your vacation,   not mine. Yeah. I'd prefer not to do that. So,  what So, is there any availability the week   of the 13th? I'm gone that entire week. that  whole unless you guys want to do it Friday. I   can change my flight and come back in the morning  and we can do it the evening of Friday October. I   hate to have you cut your vacation short. It  wouldn't be really cutting it short at that  

451point. I I am not a happy flyer and so I'm going  to be unhappy no matter what I'm doing that day. And that was well that was the that was the Okay. So, so we could do Friday the 17th  or the 21st is kind of what we're at. Well,   Blanca Blanca has another idea.  Blanca, why don't you have a special on be before the special meeting. Those start at  9:00 a.m. They do start at 9:00 a.m. So, I mean,   if we I have absolutely no problem getting up at  7:00. I'm going to be up at 6:30 anyway because   I have dogs who love to wake me up that early.  It would be added on to the We could do that,   too. Interviews. Uh the only if you if you  do that's the selection then you're

452talking   interviews because you got in November late  November. Yes. I mean and with the December   at your regular board meeting selection I mean  appointment school's out the week of the 24th. We're not going to have time. Yeah. Sounds like the down the downside of  that, I mean, it's it's a possibility. Um,   the downside is, you know, it'd be a challenge  to get them in and settled by January 1. Um,   I think another challenge with that  would be if we're doing the interviews,   then you it might be more of a challenge  to get people to do the interviews just   because of the its proximity to the  holidays. um things like that. So we may try to make the 17th  work. If you said you come,   you come back and we do it. We do it on 

453the 17th. We want to do it on the 17th. I   can make that work. November. October.  Are we back in our October 17th? Yes. What's everyone's availability on October 17th? Preferably in the evening. Are we all okay with  the evening? Late afternoon. Late afternoon.   Evening. Yeah, I can make that. That is  again for candidate selection. Selection. So, just to make sure that I don't get  confused looking at my calendar. So,   we're going to be doing the candidate review  with you on October 17th. Is that right? Any   anybody can't do that. I'm not seeing  issues. Okay. Probably in the afternoon   if you're available. I think 17 and then  the interviews will still be November 8th. Should give everybody enough time. Everyone is  available November 8th. November 8th. Yeah. which   in turn would have your regular board

454meeting  on November 18th for approval of the contract if all if all goes well and we still  have the December meeting if if we   Right. Correct. But yeah, it's better  than pushing everything back. I think Thank you. I'll double check that. So again under number six and with respect to  those bullets consideration or location for   the interview would be here as well as those two  other panels. The next bullet following that is   the validation visit or validation process. Should  the board decide to actually have a validation   visit to the candidate who is selected or at that  time um prior to uh approval of the contract.   That's something that you need to decide. It  does not necessarily have to be decided now.   If the candidate is coming from Hawaii, I'm sure  three of you would love

455to go to Hawaii. But my   point simply being is the U validation visit can  be done by three board members but beyond that it   would need to be agendaized if if four or more go  and typically that's a visit to the applicant's   current location of business where a meeting  would be held perhaps with cabinet members,   the superintendent, board members, maybe an  executive assistant, uh a site principal perhaps.   Perhaps it's the responsibility of the person that  you've selected to set up that meeting. There are   times when boards decide to have union members go  with them on these particular validation visits.   Typically, and I've never known anything to change  once a validation visit is has occurred. So it's   just again u and it can be done via zoom as well  but that's a decision that you folks

456need to   make. After the interviews you will be getting  into the process typically the board president   and your legal counsel into the negotiations that  generally will take three to four perhaps 5 days   and again it's in during that period of time that  you might want to contemplate a validation visit.   We would also have available to you a press  release, samples of press releases that you   could utilize and construct uh that would  meet the needs of Elkrove as well. Again,   I'm just mentioning that validation process. It's  a decision by the board. It's at your discretion. As of right now, the target date  for approval is November 18th.   that still stands well with the start of  the new superintendent on January 1st. Any other questions pertaining to  this timeline that we've developed? Okay, I'm going to turn

457it back over to Jackie  who's going to cover several of the other bullets   here. Well, thank you and thank you so much for,  you know, your indulgence as we wrestle with all   these timelines. Um, I know how much fun it  is. Um, we've already talked about candidate   recruitment. We have the dates uh and everything  like that. So, I'm not going to review those.   I'm going to go to number eight, which is the  contract parameters worksheet. Just to let you   know that once you decide which candidates you  um are selecting to interview, we ask each one of   those candidates to fill out what we call their  ask. So they tell us on a document that we have   what is their salary range that they're looking  for. Um what do they want in terms of any fringe  

458benefits? What is their work year calendar that  they would uh like to ask you for? Do they need   health benefits? Um anything like that at all.  We generally don't let you see those things until   after you've made your selection because we don't  want you to say, "Oh, we really like this person,   but this one is, you know, 200 thou, I'm sorry,  $20,000 cheaper." Um, we really want you to make   your selection first and then you need to  understand that anything that they're asking   you for is negotiable, right? So, um that's  certainly up to you, but anyway, you will be   given that information about the candidates. Um  and we're happy to share it with you as you're   um deliberating about the different candidates.  So, we did talk, I believe, that Lisa is going to   give us

459a copy of uh the current superintendent's  contract as well as uh the current salary range   of your executive uh members. Are there any  questions before we move into close session? Uh, at what point do we um talk about whether or  not there are any current staff that is applying   for the enclosed? We're going to do that in  closing. I want to make sure I wasn't missing   it. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we know  it's been a long day and we appreciate that. Of   course, here's something that we could contemplate  and that would be the section that you see there,   number 11, the board's members input. We can  certainly capture your input on what you desire   most in your next superintendent, the experiences,  personal and professional, the skill set,   so on and so forth. There

460would be other questions  as well, including the district's strengths and   challenges. we're ready to capture that. Or an  option at your discretion would you would be for   you to email us those um those items that you feel  are most desired most in the next superintendent. Board members, do we want to popcorn  for a minute? And if that if anybody   doesn't have or if anybody thinks of  something later, we can always email it. We could also just take the survey, Miss Alviani  said. Um, well, let's start down there, Miss   Baldwin. Um, yeah. I mean, I think for for me, I  would love to have someone that is um has a heart   for the work that we do. Um, a passion that drives  them to really um, you know, do good work every   day and want to

461be collaborative. who's um uh  quick to listen. Uh I think it's really important,   I think you mentioned it earlier, someone who's a  champion for equity uh who sees um the importance   of being a bridge uh for our community. uh  particularly um where we have gaps in um our   specific um groups, affinity groups that um are  part of our our diverse community here in Elkrove.   Um and I think for it is really important that  we have someone that has experience in California   um is particularly um with just understanding ED  code and and all that um the nuances of what's how   things are done here in our state. So, you know,  I'm not opposed to someone outside of California,   but I think someone who has a deep experience here  is going to be extremely valuable. Um, and

462yeah,   I would love the opportunity to email anything  that comes to mind that I don't haven't mentioned   here. Excellent. I think Miss Baldwin has kind of  kickstarted the opportunity and Blanca behind me   is capturing those thoughts which eventually  will be added to the stakeholder input that   we receive as well. So, with your permission,  Mr. Vargas, we can go on with Miss Moore. Yes,   please. Okay. So, again, those desired qualities,  characteristics, background that you'd like to see   in your next superintendent. We'll circle back if  I'm sorry. We'll circle back to capture what you   consider to be the district's strengths andor  challenges in a moment. Okay. Um, I would also   like the opportunity to email just because I want  to make sure I can in case I forget anything. But   um definitely someone who's focused on academic 

463achievement for all students, improving   um continually, you know, um improving academic  achievement um and someone who's innovative   innovative and who has maybe new ideas. I think  that's um you know, we have a lot of great things,   but I think it's never a bad thing to have new  ideas. So, um that's really important to me um to   see um new ideas that could, you know, um improve  improve our our district, give our students more   opportunities, those types of things. Um and then  someone who's willing to listen to and properly   address community members and their concerns.  And that's great the opportunity to email us   some other thoughts and ideas that come to mind  during the next uh few days or so. Thank you,   Miss Moore Spellellerini. All right, I put a  few notes down. Empathetic I think

464is important.   Experience in California, previous assistant  superintendent or superintendent. We don't   want somebody that's hasn't done any of that.  Um, again, academic achievement was on my list   and just um bonus points if if they know about our  area and have have lived in the area. That was one   of the reasons that Chris came to the top when  I interviewed him before. So, besides his great   smile, that's it. You want to go? No, I'm always  last. Um, I agree with what I've heard. I also,   um, I have a cons a concern. Um, we keep our  superintendence. We have a history of having   long-term superintendence. And we are a cruise  ship, not a speedboat. And I don't want someone   to come in here and think they're going to flip  this place. Um, we're very proud of what

465we've   done. We aren't asking our superintendent to leave  because we're in a crisis. We're not in a crisis.   Um we are we are making strides with plans and  um I agree just as opportunities have come up,   Chris has reorganized things and changed things in  in a process and I I don't want to have somebody   come in here and have that we have a whole new  system. We have a whole new promise. like I I   don't want our staff to get thrown off kilter  or our our focus to be thrown off from where   we're at and um with somebody new. That's that's  a big deal to me. And you'll be surprised how many   times that's going to be repeated accordingly  by other stakeholders as well. Good point,   Miss Davis. I'd like to email later too. Okay. 

466Certainly. But a concern is someone who considers   the classified staff and certificated staff  equally. Um sometimes a lot of focus is put on   teachers only, but we've got a lot of employees  and I'd like that to be their focus. Um someone   who can take us into the next generation with  the AI and what's coming technology wise would   be important also. Excellent. and we'll make  sure to reach out to Mr. Yang to make sure he   has the opportunity to email us. Mr. Vargas. Yes,  please. Um, so the just a couple of things that   uh popped into my head are student centered.  Um, I think everything that we do uh needs to   be student centered. I think we as a district  have done that very well. Um, uh collaborative   um we have a lot of different stakeholders.

467we  have however many bargaining units um that you   know and I say that because it's in flux right  now um you know that being able to work with   collaboratively and productively with everybody is  incredibly important um and you know I'm I would   I would guess that they are going to come in and  be surprised by the quality of our relationship   with our bargaining units and so um someone who  is ready to you know and isn't going to come in   and try to change that relationship or come in  unprepared for that relationship is important. Um   I would really like to see executive experience.  Um you know if doesn't have to be somebody with   a superintendent experience. It can be somebody  at the assistant associate deputy superintendent   level. Um but I feel like a district like ours.

468Um  it you're kind of getting thrown into the deep end   a little bit if you don't have that. And so some  level of executive experience would be valuable.   Um compassion I think is incredibly important to  the work that we do. Um for me community service   community serviceoriented I think it's incredibly  important that um the superintendent is seen in   the community. Um this community expects that  it they expect it from their board members.   They expect it from senior staff. They expect  to know and see you out and about. Um and that   goes to accessibility and transparency and all  the other things that are important. Um but that   is very important particularly in Elkrove. Um  and then I I want to echo uh you know what Miss   Albiani said is stability. I think one of the most 

469important things that we do is provide stability   for students. And when we do when we do something  when someone tries to jerk the ship around, right,   that creates instability that creates disruptions  in students education and that is exactly what we   don't want to do. Um so that stability, that  ability to sort of um know that a disruption   in a student's education is the worst thing we  can do and you know we're making change in an   appropriate and and uh and timely manner. Um so  those are those are the things that popped into   my head. Okay. And please recall that we will have  an opportunity to talk to Chris more specifically   in terms of our interview of him and some of  his thoughts regarding the transition. The next   question has to do with what are the

470strengths  of the district? What might you be most proud of?   What's working well? It could be the employees. It  could be your cabinet members. Obviously, it could   be you as a board. You know, that talked about  the visibility and so on. But if I may, I'll start   with Miss Baldwin again. A quick list of things.  We're an extremely diverse community. Um, and   we've come a long way from, um, you know, I think  everyone jokes about Elkrove being a small but   big town. Um, so a lot of us know each other. Um,  we're closeknit community that really cares about   um, you know, having really quality um, you know,  livelihood for our families here that live here.   And a lot of that comes out of our our school  district. um is a really driving force for that  

471here in Elkrove. Um and it's a place that people  want to be. So, we want to continue um you know,   the the inclusivity that we um provide here in our  our community is really important to us. Um and   it's a huge value, not just here in the district,  but you know, it's an effort that even our city   um commits to. And so, um, we definitely are going  to need, um, you know, someone who is on board   with that, um, and who knows how to also navigate  because we have a very diverse perspectives here,   um, that we're able to engage in dialogue, um,  and, you know, come to decisions that really   ultimately benefit our whole district despite  having those, um, different opinions and   perspectives. Um, I think it's something that, um,  it's hard, but it's we

472we do a pretty good job at   it. Um, I I'm proud to be a part of this board.  I think that we have been able to accomplish some   great things. Um, and the cabinet, working with  the cabinet has been really great to um, hear   all of the things that they're passionate about  and, um, how they're really making efforts to   address the needs of our community um, and and our  schools. So definitely see that as a huge strength   in terms of challenges. Um one big one we talked  about today is just our growth. We're growing   um and we will need um a leader who uh knows how  to support the efforts that have been put in place   um to do the research to complete the analysis,  the outreach um that's required um to manage that   um

473and make good choices and decisions. help the  board understand as well um what are the options   that are being laid out for us um because it's  you know a great place to be and it's growing   and we're thriving but with that does come some  hard decisions that have to be made around you   know what we how um we construct schools and um  formulate calendars and and things of that nature.   Excellent. Thank you, Miss Moore. Strengths and  challenges. strengths could be a CTu program,   the AVID program, a dual language program. Those  keep those in mind as well. Yeah. Um I some that   I jotted down um is that generally we have highly  rated schools and as Miss uh Bowen referenced,   we have highly in general I think our district is  highly sought out compared to um

474some neighboring   districts. Um, and we are diverse and along  with that um I just think it's important that we   um because we are so diverse we are always being  respectful of everyone um and listening to all   voices and so that's really important to me. Um  and then also I put as a strength um that I see   that for the most part we have involved community  and parents and I think that really uh adds to   our you know this school our and our community and  our our students um weaknesses um because we're so   large I feel that there as was already mentioned  there's a lot of um challenges as we grow not only   facilities wise but with district staff. How do  we prioritize um the the way that the position,   you know, district positions, the way

475we want  to spend our money? And so I feel like we need   um a leader who can um manage those situations.  Um and that's all I have for now. Valerini. Okay,   obviously diversity um is a plus. Um one of the  other things that's a big plus is the number of   CTE classes that we um offer and the varied  experiences we have for our students across   the board. They can be at different high  schools and be learning totally different   things and their high school diplomas when they're  getting those the awards. It's it's interesting.   as big as we are, you would think everything  would be, but it's not. It's definitely it's   it's it's unique. Let's put it that way. Um, we  have we are onetoone with our computers, which is   a plus. We've Thank Thank you, co.

476Let's go there.  Um, we have very involved parents. We have strong   unions and we have community connections out  there all over the place. And the only minus I   have right now is we are so big. Sometimes it's so  big that it's just hard. There you go. Thank you. Um I agree. Uh we never walked away from CTE  like it was it was done in California. Um,   Elkrove didn't leave that and and it's it's a  strength of ours. Um, I moved here to go to I   moved my family here to go to Elkrove schools.  Delia moved her family here to go to Elkgrove   schools. Um, people come here to go to our  schools and and so our diversity is amazing.   It's our greatest strength and provides some of  our greatest challenges. I mean, it's it's both.  

477You there's no there's no um denying that. um  some of our challenges we're going to have coming   up. Um the COVID money is drying up those those  points. So, we're going to be back to choosing   board priorities. We're going to choose um we're  there's an ever growing labor market. Um we have   some of the most excellent relationships  with unions that I I've seen. Actually,   we have the best relationships I've ever seen  through talking to other people. We have amazing   employees. we have a we are very child focused  and and what are we going to do for our kids and   um that's just an asset we have. So um but size  is size is a challenge but also we couldn't have   um the training programs we have and the supports  we have and the therapists we

478had if we didn't   have this large pool of money. So, but it  is a challenge on how to how to use it. Um,   definitely challenges are very often equated to  opportunities. Yes. And yes, I like that, Miss   Davis. [Music] Well, I think one of our strengths  is our employees and the relationships that are   been built between leadership and those employees.  Um, you don't see that in many districts.   I think our CTE programs have grown amazingly  and are offering our children opportunities.   Um on the other side though, I would like to  see our CT connections to careers after school   um possibly to um internships, things like  that. Uh sped program, we have an amazing sped   program. I moved my family into this community 33  years ago to access the sped program for my son.   um it

479never let me down. Uh diversity is a big  strength of ours in this community. We have a   lot of diversity going on, but that diversity  also brings challenges. Um so with that scenario,   we need someone to help us bridge some of those  challenges as well. Um but that's about what I   got. Thank you, Travaris. Yeah, I would echo a lot  of what has been said. that I think diversity is   both a is a wonderful strength of ours and also a  challenge that we are constantly um elements of it   that we are constantly facing. Um and being  able to work being able to navigate that is   incredibly going to be incredibly important.  um CT and pathway programs. Um you know, the   special education program. Um I think one of the  things that I really love about

480our district is   how is the size. Um you know, you because you get  uh you know, in smaller districts where you get   one or two high schools that they're like they're  the district high schools, but here you have nine   very different and unique and wonderful schools.  and you go to one and it's a completely different   experience than going to another. Um, and I love  that. It is also a going to be a big challenge um,   you know, for anyone who comes in. I mean, as a  new board member, it's a challenge coming in and   trying to get your arms around um, what all of our  schools look like, the uniqueness of all of our   schools and what are what they're all doing. And  so, for a superintendent who also has to come in,   hit the

481ground, and get their arms around all of  that, that is going to be a challenge. Um, it is   a fun challenge. It is a wonderful challenge, but  it is a challenge. Um, I think one of the other   things, one of the other strengths of our district  is that we are very, when we, our decision-m is   very thoughtful and intentional. Um, and that can  be uh a surprise to people who want to come in   and want to do something and have things and have  ways of doing things and realize, oh, no, there's   a structure here. There's there are systems here.  There are ways of doing things here. And that is   wonderful for us. Um it is also a challenge. It is  a double-sided you know double-sided sword. Um in   part because we are slow. Um but

482in part because  you know you come into El Grove and there is a   culture here. And understanding that culture, you  know, being okay with that culture, figuring out   where you fit in that culture is an important part  of, you know, being part of this community. Um,   and I think it's incredibly important to be able  to do that. And that is going to be a, you know,   um, if it's someone who's already familiar  with Elgroveve, wonderful. They're going   to hit hit the ground running a little bit more.  But if it is someone coming in from the outside,   um, culture shock is a real thing in Elkrove. Um,  so I I remember from when I moved and I hear it   from a lot of people I know who moved since then.  Uh, it's a real thing. Um,

483but once you find your   place, it's it's a wonderful place. So, well, as a  matter of fact, as you talked about visibility and   longevity and culture and fit, I happened to have  checked into the town place suites, the Marriott,   which is around the corner and so on, and the  lady at the registration desk wanted me to say   hello to Chris because you spoke to her at one  point in time at a high school graduation, which   just speaks volumes again about this community and  certainly this board of education and your your   leader. At this point in time, we will make sure  that we contact you or you contact us with respect   to anything else that you'd like to share with us  regarding experiences, skill set, uh this type of   thing. The one item, the bullet there,

484questions  regarding any process or procedures u regarding   the search process before we go into close  session. We decided a number of dates today. Can   we get sent out a confirmation of those to make  sure they get entered right in our own calendars,   please? Yeah. Yes. And Lisa has been outstanding  by the way, ladies and gentlemen. And so it really   does and has helped us a tremendous amount as  well. So that being said, if there's no other   questions, we will go to close session. Excellent.  Then uh all right, do we do I have anything else?   Um Oh, uh we skipped this part, so we'll do it  now. Um Miss Alani, are there any blue cards on   this item? There are no blue cards. Excellent. Um  then we have already done the board discussion. So   with that

485said, we will adjourn into close session  at 5:10 p.m. and we'll be back in a minute. All right. I'd like to call this  meeting back to order at 5:30   p.m. and announce that the board met in  close session and no action was taken.   There being no further business before  the board, I will adjourn at 5:30 p.m.

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