LASD Special Board Meeting - May 19, 2025

001All right, calling this meeting to order at 4:05 p.m. I will now call the role. Vladimir here. Brian pres here as well. Would any board members like to provide comment on today's agenda? See none. Can I please have a motion to approve the agenda as specific? Vladimir Stella. Motion to approve today's agenda as presented was made by Vladimir, seconded by Stella. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Any extensions? Motion passes unanimously. All righty, moving on to our study sessions. Design concepts for the San Antonio campus. Um, are there any I do believe we have a public comment. Oh yes. Yes. Well, it would make more sense if it wasn't at the beginning we usually have the comments after discusses because it might make my comment may become irrelevant. I think the challenging thing is is

002the presentation is like a work session. You know what I mean? That's the challenge. going to go by the order that come here. So, if I have concerns, I will email you afterwards. I know how to find you. I'll see you at 6 p.m. or 7 p.m. So, that we commented. So, good afternoon. We're here today to do a study session. Uh we have Kotraki block architect with Nick Stephenson. Hi everybody. And we have Amber Emery with Block Construction and uh about this time last year the board approved the design build contract of block construction for the 10 site uh now public campus and uh today we're going to do talk about some of the design concepts. The district has been working very hard with our design build um team with block and rocket block

003and then we're also working in partnership with the city of Sunnyville. um I'm sorry, city of Mountain View uh part as part of the joint use fields. Uh and we were working very hard against the the field design and the joint use gym. U we did all that work really up until about November of last year. And so uh it's been a great community benefit as you know to the Mountain View while Southwest community. But today they're going to give an update on kind of some of the uh concepts of things of where things would be spaced out, uh the number of classrooms in the buildings and kind of like the layout. You've seen most of the drawings already about where the fields and the gym and all that is has kind of been done

004already in front of the board. But today we're going to try to dive a little bit deeper into where the buildings are laid out and some of the programs. So I'm going to kind of hand it off to to Nick and Amber. And I will just let you know my colleague Ellen Powers is going to be joining. She had an appointment she couldn't change, so I'm just giving her the grace if she comes in late. Um she couldn't be right on time, but she should be here in the next few minutes. Um but we're very excited to share with you some of our progress um on the design concepts uh for the San Antonio to keep things moving out here. Um so yeah, I realize I didn't give an agenda when I was practicing this

005this morning. Um, so I guess I'll just give the preface up here. Um, so, uh, I'm going to go through a little bit like really quick kind of like what Folia is. Um, I know a lot of you have toured the site um, already. Um, but just give a quick overview of that and then um, get into the design concepts, which I know you're all probably very excited to see. Um, and then we'll touch on the schedule a little bit at the end and obviously lots of time for questions. Um, so yeah. So what is Folia? It's a pre-engineered classroom building with a twotory and a one-story. Um, so the uh the PC approval with uh DSA, the division of the state architect, so it makes permitting go much quicker. Um, but this was a

006partnership between block and QKA and also a structural engineer partner of ours GPLA um to really kind of reinvent and rethink how we design school buildings. Um, and so we put a lot of thought into um making a really efficient building to build. So you can see here like pre-fabricated wall panels, pre-fabricated roof panels, steel, um the reinforcing steel, um and just other efficiencies that we can garner by by getting that partnership with the contractor and how we build things um and partnership with the design and the engineering of the building. Um so we've created this building footprint. Um there's also still a lot of flexibility within it. We kind of have some of the standard layouts, but if some of you have toured the Milkus Innovation Campus or maybe some of our other projects,

007um there's a lot we can do within that. And Nick will talk on that a little bit about for your program here about some of the customization that we can do within that framework to get some of your programs in here. Um and so you know what this means for all of you. So, um we can design this much quicker because it's already basically designed except for the customization. Um and we can build it much faster. Um, and then because it's very efficient and thought out, um, there's a lot less waste in in the building process, um, also, uh, less labor. It's more efficient. So, there's a lot of cost savings. Um, but you're not giving up any quality. Um, I'd say you get the same, if not better quality with this building because of

008all the labor we've done going into it and that some of the works done in a shop. Um, and again, as this was designed, there's a lot of thought about the high performance of the building. We want to really create um, a great learning environment for the students. So, this high performing learning environment. Um, you got the clear story, a lot of natural light in these, not just you like two dinky windows that you get into a lot of like classrooms and portables. Um, the LED lighting. Um, the HVAC system obviously very important with natural ventilation and mechanical ventilation. Um, the steel and concrete floors. A lot of thought go gone into the sound. So that's yeah have a the concrete and steel um create soundproof between the floors but then also like acoustic ratings

009and the HBAC um probably have some older buildings you've been inside of where the HBC is very loud. Um so really trying to minimize those distractions for the kids um and all good kind of uh materials that are selected inside the building to create um a really good environment for the kids. Um and then low maintenance right because we turn over these buildings from the school district you guys counting every single honey. So, a lot of thought into a building that's really going to last for a long time and low maintenance. Um, and you know, after 50 plus years. Um, so, uh, here are some standard floor plans. It's probably a little hard to read on here. You have the printouts. These are just kind of our basic floor plans. And like I mentioned, there's

010a lot of customization we can do within it, but kind of your standard twotory folia. Has 12 classrooms. You know, first and second floor, six per floor. It's 10 standard classrooms sizes and then an oversized classroom on the left side on the end. Um so that you know those can be used for um on each side here. So like here's an example. It could be a science lab, could be an art studio, could be a maker lab. Um flexibility in that. And then in between each of the classrooms, there's these cores here. So you could put restroom cores in there. They could be breakout spaces, custodial. We've done all sorts of different things within these extra spaces here to customize for your program. the cure prepper or you know so variety of things we can

011do with that. Um and then there's not a lot of loadbearing wall. There are some brace frames in here but we have a lot of flexibility where like these two classrooms can be opened up or like you'll see when it shows you we're opening up like three classroom spaces to make an admin or a library or different options there. Um so here's some photos of our typical classroom building. Um you know second floor and first floor classroom. Um, and then like I mentioned, we've also done we made like administration spaces within that footprint. Um, you know, fun maker lab that is probably the kids most kids favorite spot on campus. Um, and here's a sample of the science lab. So all art studio and then um we have our standard one-story classroom um which here's

012a layout where you see like two like oversized classrooms and then these spaces in between when it's kinder TK we add a restroom in there. Um they can have office some kind of breakout spaces in between. Um how the large classrooms are 962 or more? Uh standard is 960 and oversized is like 12-,400 ft. Yeah. And the breakout rooms are how big? They vary um in like Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they probably vary a couple like 100 to like 300 or 400 square feet of 10 foot. Yeah. Just to add on to that, could we actually get a copy of this with the scale or the dimensions of each room? Yeah. Um and then yeah, so for the kinder uh so here's the one story and then here's a sample like a kindergarten classroom.

013You can see here that's like the restroom right there. Um that's connected to the classroom. And then here's like an office space that connects between the two. This one's from Patch Elementary and Half Moon Bay. So lots of flexibility there. I think when we did the tour was ask from the charge she was asking for the dimensions too. I always appreciate when you guys nerd out like us and see what you can fit in there. Um, but with that, I'm actually going to turn it over to Nick as the architect that layouts for you guys. So, thanks. So, um, just some design parameters as we start looking at the options. As Amber mentioned, uh, the programming for the fields and the parking lot and the black top in the gym. So, if I can use

014this right. So this this is kind of pretty set at this point and so that's going to be consistent between all three options we look at. Not to say that you can't we can't you know further evolve that stuff but right now the three options are consistent in those regards. Okay. Um another thing that's consistent in all three options is we tried to keep some of the quasi public spaces as close to the parking drop off as we could. So in all three options you're going to see the TCAN kindergarten right up against the parking lot as close as we could. You're going to see the gym right there. We're trying to get the NPR and the admin up there as well. Okay, so those are things that are consistent. Something else that's consistent and

015is that all the loading of the classrooms are based on your district's standards as they were shared with us. So um every TK through third grade has a consistent loading and every third grade beyond has consistent loading. It's right here in in the table 24 students and then it drops up to 27 when you get into older classrooms. Okay, so that's consistent among each um option. And then um things that that jump around a little bit is the number of sped classrooms, specialized classrooms, number of flex labs or uh steam labs as they're called some of the diagrams. We kind of bounce back and forth with that. Um so those things will change a little bit and then I'll get into the other specific as we go. So I'm going to show you three options,

016talk to you about a little bit about each how each one's different than the other. Then I'm gonna show you a slide that has all three options and we we can recap, summarize, and and start hopefully opening up to conversation and answer any questions you might have. Okay. So, uh I'm going to zoom into this option because it's just easier to read. But before I do so, here are the number of classrooms. Total of 26 classrooms with option concept number one. Okay? And and you have four flex labs or steaming labs and then two special ed classrooms. And then you have two for every grade. two classrooms for every grade from TK through 8th grade. Okay. Does sped classroom imply a smaller space? It it would be a regular size classroom for the purposes of

017this project. It could well be depending on districts. They load them with only 12 kids. So maybe you could have a smaller space, but we're using a typical. So then is flex lab I'm just trying to understand the difference between sped and flex when you kind of use spaces for so flex lab would be for anything you'd want to use for the whole school population. Oh that's an excellent question because I also want to say flex labs are not loaded space it's space that you come to from your class and use. Okay so that's something to point out. So it could be a band classroom it could be a maker space. It could be a science lab. You know, it can be any of those things that we'd like it to be, but it is

018larger than a normal classroom. And um there the as as Amber mentioned, the basic folia building as it is pre-approved by DSA contains some larger spaces for this very purpose. Yes, sir. This says that there's four or five spaces, but you said that the counts as flex, so there's actually five. Yeah, that was you noticed earlier that that flex on the bottom left corner should be sped. Yeah, I think. Yeah, thank you. Oh, so there's two. Yeah, I was going to zoom in. Thank you. Yeah. So, let me go ahead and zoom in. So, um, so this is option one and as just pointed out there actually, this is a type on our part. There's two special ed classrooms instead of this. So, the flex lab should have changed to special ed. So, we have

019one, two, three, four steams. Yeah. And we have two grades, I'm sorry, two classes per grade for the lower grades and for everybody, right? So, every grade has two classrooms dedicated to that grade level. Um, we have three custom buildings, one being the gym, one being the NPR, and one being the admin. And as I mentioned, these are all kind of designed to be next to the parking lot. The TKK buildings are one-story folias as Amber described earlier. And then the rest of the campus is composed of the two twostory folio buildings. So there's two two-story fully buildings back to back and it's a two-story building. That's what this is. This is the second floor of these buildings. And then these are the other folia buildings that are one story and um Amber and we

020try and put that in a one make that work with a one-story folia size. Yes. Yeah. So u that um so that's what option one is giving you. Just to confirm, the steam rooms are the same size of the regular bathrooms. No, thank you. They are larger. Um, and does it show up? No, they're about 1,200 square feet and you've got the breakout space next to it. So, if you need something more, you can add that onto it. So, standard classroom is 960 ft and the steam labs or the oversized spaces are 12-,300 feet depending on how you use that space in between that little um space that could be toilet rooms or breakout rooms or etc. Okay, one want to point one of the things that we made sure was and Nick mentioned at

021the beginning of the presentation was having team K and K closer to the front because it's easier for parents for drop off. Also the admin buildings for security and safety, we want that to be a central point of location. There'll be a a gate to come through and then the other is NPR because the NPR for like nighttime events and some bigger things, we want those to be towards the front. Um, so trying to get trying to move some things around to get most of those buildings, you know, closer to the front is better for the school. Uh, and then the gym has been kind of locked in that location for a while adjacent to the parking lot for functions at night for athletic events as well after school events. So Eric, speaking of the

022fencing, exactly where would it go around? You know, this is um kind of conceptual and concept. So we as we got into construction drawings, we'd be making sure we would have some more delineation where the fences would be, but I assume the gym would be outside the fence because of the joint use. Yeah, most likely that's where it be. There would be a fence probably around it, but as far as um the community could come in on the weekend park, they could go directly to the gym. They would have to probably go through a fence, but there would be fencing separating the school and the playard just just like our schools are kind of like that. But the lockers are for our kids though. That's so why would our outside the fence? I mean, I

023understand the gym is outside the fence, but I think the goal would be to uh and we have this come up a lot. It's an excellent question. The goal would be to have um an opportunity to lock the campus. I hate to use the word lock now, but to um secure the campus during the school day. So, there would be some sort of perimeter established. So during the school day, the only way to get on site is to go through the admin building and then into. So there would be some barrier whether it be fencing or car control doors or every district has their own strategy there. Um in addition to that after hours there are certain buildings that um the community wants access to or after hours library gym. So there sometimes is a

024second level of of perimeter security where you can still like people can still gain access to the gym but there would still be a barrier between the gym and say this whole area. Okay. Yeah. Like a second Yeah. on the weekends you don't want people using the fields to get onto your campus. That's often what happens is people want to share the multi-usion or the gym but they don't want to share the whole campus at night just that building. So we have that kind of two-tier security around those buildings and and we can strategize that with you and make it work for you. However, Eric, I know there isn't a standard answer, but about how big is a classroom currently? There are all most of our classrooms are about 960. Oh, okay. That's pretty standard

025size. Okay. All right. any like portables are all standard 916. Okay. Yeah, you're right. I mean, yeah, pretty much Union Square, they have some small classroom. Those schools are pretty standard. Okay. And then our RTKs and K's are a little bit bigger than 1250. Okay. So, to summarize and we can always come back as I mentioned. Yes, sir. Yeah. Just a question. um up of NPR between the MPR and gym or some um some stuff was there. Good question. I didn't speak to that at all. So, what we're showing in addition to the building footprints are conceptual site design amenities. Um and we're trying so what you're seeing those blue triangles are shade cloths. So, basically what we're saying and then the little the little gray line work is um some different type of paving

026that's not black top and it's not straight concrete. So, we're trying to point to the idea of this space is going to be a little bit more soft, a little bit more friendly, a little bit more shady. And um and you can see that we've zoned the spaces. Um the area around the TK is more of a playground, a little play structury. And um the areas between the middle school and and up by the gym, those are maybe more a student hangout, outdoor learning, student gathering, that kind of stuff. Nothing set in stone yet because hopefully I have opportunity to walk through this with you all. Yes. So the library is the library like two regular classroom sizes or or is that because you didn't mention the library as a custom space? Right. So in

027this option we are putting the library which different from the other options in um the Folio building on the first floor. So it's going to be about 2700 square feet. So that's a little bit bigger than two classrooms because it's two standard classrooms plus that little space between them. So, it's 960 960 plus that little court order. Just one minor question just because the other two options kind of called out a dining for lunch area and this one didn't. So, like I'm kind of assuming that that would end up where the courtyard is, but I just want to make sure you're absolutely right. Yeah. Sorry we didn't call it out consistently. It could be the area between the NPR and the admin. It could be the area between the gym and the NPR as far

028as outdoor dining goes, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Then for universal the NPR at the end of the MPR is going to be a servery. So that's where the the food the food food process would happen right there at the end of MPR. Okay. So I mean we could flip it whatever way. Yeah. All right. Summarizing op concept. Uh we have a capacity for 526 students. option just based on the ratios. Um we have a total of 26 classrooms. Four of those are the steam or flex labs and two of those are the specialists. Okay. Concept number two. So on concept number two, uh we've taken a lot of our districts have situations where the lower grades are higher and higher higher attendance than the lower grades than the higher grades for various reasons. Some districts are

029phasing in with TPA, so there's more kids there than the other campuses. Some districts have upper grades that are go um into charter schools. There's some kind of part. So for various reasons, there's often a scenario where the lower grades have more classrooms and more kids. So this this kind of studies that. So you'll notice in concept two, you'll see three classrooms per grade instead of just two for TK through third grade. And then fourth through 8th grade, you'll see two classrooms as we showed in the previous option. Another variance in this option is there's only one special ed, but there still are four of the flex steam labs. So we have a total of 30 classrooms in this option or 642 capacity. So this will be our largest capacity and our largest number of

030classrooms three options. Um all the TK buildings and kindergarten buildings are still in singlestory buildings. They're still clustered around the parking. Now we have three custom buildings. We have a library and and administration um building that's a custom building to house those two uses. So they're no longer in the folia buildings. So uh what that could do is that now the folia buildings are no not customized at all. So getting back to Amber's point, now those two folia buildings can be um faster through regulatory, faster through design, things like that because they're not customized. And that would be the the pro of making that admin and library building site build custom. Um, so what we have is we have the gym as previously indicated and the NPR, but now you see it right in the

031middle is a third custom building. And again, all these uses are trying to compete with this space right here. So that's why that's what governs their location. I'm sorry. So there you said there were three custom buildings. Yes, sir. There's the gym. Yeah. There's the admin library and there's the NPR. Oh, sorry. No, this is why we're having this all your question. So, in this design, well, okay, I have two questions. Both Oh, you can only ask one. Okay. Well, we'll save the other one for later. Um, so these custom buildings, if we do the more we do those, the more it slows down the process. Is that they're not TSA approved? I wouldn't say it slows it down. the expert here, but I'll just my two cents. What's driving the the critical path, if

032you will, is the custom building. It's the longest duration. So whether we do and we can build them all concurrently for the most part. So whether we do one, which is gen or we do more, that that duration's fixed. It's just if you for some reason wanted to get the other buildings built quicker, maybe you have some sort of phase in of your your occupancy, that that's where the point on that. Yeah. I mean, right. Yeah. Yeah, it shouldn't make a huge difference because we are doing some customs, so we have them in three different phases. Um, but yeah, it could, but right now I wouldn't say that's a driving factor. Um, okay, that's fine. So then in this second concept, the admin building is bigger and the library building may be a little bit

033bigger, a little bit smaller. So, couldn't you just put two folio builds there? And yeah, as opposed to having custom buildings, you could you could we we get into a little bit of other design. I'm sorry. No, no, this is perfect. This is absolutely perfect. This is great. Um, as you know, as as we noted in the beginning, we kind of have this line here, right, that we can't cross. So, we're all competing for space in here. And um so we could put two buildings side by side right here. Um the code would require a little bit of a gap between the two of them. So it's just you know how close to the gym can we get? How close to the MBR can we get so that we can put two buildings in there?

034Seems like it should certainly be able to be done to your point. Okay. And did you have a question? Well say that um the text buildings cost more than the whole deal. Right. Yeah. Yeah, the cost per square foot and you'll see I think we get to the last slide too that there's different square footages of each of these options have different square footages which are different dollar values as well and yet the cost per square foot of a custom I mean it's not a huge difference but it's it is there a couple hundred difference between a custom and a full there's more kids in in option two but a smaller library that [Music] may read it on 27 and option one and 20 2250. Yeah, I'll say um what what's driving the size of

035these two in in the custom buildings comes from the bridging documents that we received. So that was kind of like their target square footage. But then when we go ahead and put it in Folia, we kind of kind of kind of bounced it into that logical so it kind of flexes and we didn't want to shrink it. So I think they both probably favor probably. Yeah. Because it was fitting within the space there. Yeah. But the reason why I asked is that you'd like to have wellness spaces on our campuses and I don't see like where that would this is like classrooms, right? And NPR, etc. So I'm just thinking you could probably take part of the library wellness but I'm just trying to figure flex classroom if there's fewer need for a dedicated special

036ed classroom. It could be in that space as well. And those steam classrooms could be music rooms or wellness rooms or whatever. Just saying they're steam but they're really flex. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but then if we but if you want them to be steam then they need like the special hoods and the ventilation and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Supposed to be programmable. I mean right we had what four in both of these options, right? I've had four. So I don't know that you need four science labs or like you know so once we kind of dial that in maybe these are great questions. Nice. Um, are the sort of the one story option and then the twotory L are those the only folio shapes? Are there other pre-approved shapes? Question. Those are the

037pre-approved, but we've done a lot of customization. Um, like uh Certino and Lindberg High School actually both examples where we did at Certino we did two standard folias and then my custom science lab that was just a straight twotory. Um, and so we still used our pre-fabricated a lot of the efficiencies that we got from our PC, but we did a custom building with it. So we do have some ability to do that. Obviously, it's the most efficient, easiest to fix in the L, but we can definitely customize it. We've done we utilize the panelization. So like the custom two story, you save on construction costs, but you don't get the DSA. Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking how to explain that. [Music] All right. Yes, sir. Are there no um BSA pre gyms? There

038there's I think there's one modular line that I think we built. I mean there's because like our our because we have a PC but we're not this fully is not modular or the pre-approved pre-check with BSA but um we don't it doesn't directly like compete with modular companies because if you go modular you're going to give up some of the quality and the longevity of the building. Um but certainly um I mean I haven't done a modular. Yeah. Yeah. I think um I think there are pre-improved gyms that are modular in construction. It's really not the same animal as our folio product. That's why we don't say this is a comparable thing in that regard. Um, but given that we have uh the locker room component and the desire for a high school size gymnasium

039with some bleachers, I think we're getting outside of like the footprint of a modular gym. All right. So moving on to concept number three. So concept number three, this will be our sorry back up one sec. I just saw something on the concept too. Um the uh shaded outdoor dining space is quite reduced. Is that going to be enough for 642 kids or 600? Oh yeah, it depends on what your goals are. In other words, we haven't had a conversation actually. So, if we want to be able to seat the whole campus outside and have the whole campus shaded while we seat them outside, that's that's quite a bit of shading and we can do that. But it's probably not what we've shown here as just a first pass. Really, we're just trying to study

040is the the the division of the buildings and how we might be able to use the space that's left over. But if you have it programmatically, we need 600 kids to be able to eat outside and be shaded, then we look at that rule specifically, give you that space. I think that my guess my suspicion is that all schools have the same lunch time, right? I don't know. I mean, my kids school staggered, but I don't know what you guys Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this age staggered is is no unfortunate, but it is kind of popular or at least a gardener. Some kids eat at 12 12:15 and other kids at 12:15 to 12:30 or I don't know play. Yeah, like play first and then eat or eat and then play. I don't think any of

041our schools have shade shaded tables for the entire school population. And there'll be the indoor space to eat as well, right? all at the same time because we're small. And one thing blame is like a there's always like there's always space, but then you have to give up some. So you might get like outdoor black stuff, you know, like where the four square or you know where the ball games are at. So some of the black top space that's to the left of the NPR could be utilized for that, but then you would lose some of that outdoor play space for PE and like that. So that's there's always a trade-off. It's just kind of where to put it. And then you said you're saying like I just from my kids school like some of

042the kids eat in the in the NPR, some eat outside, some of them just like my daughter like eats in like the little like outdoor like classroom area. Um and then yeah, they stagger the kinders and then I think like first through and third and fourth and fifth are different middle school. Um is the MPR large enough to hold uh lunch when it rains? Uh that's a good question. I'm not sure on the capacity of dining hall when it rains. It's not designed yet, but there's probably some in the bridge documents, there's probably a target. We just have to double check that. Yeah. Um, one thing we could do and we often do is have um we like to create as much transparency as we can between those types of spaces. So, a lot of

043our designs will have rollup doors or or double folding doors. So, like the indoor dining room can connect right to the outdoor and kind of one big space. part is inside, part is outside, but there's a there's there's through connection, if you will. But these are the things that we want to design more specifically. Before we move on, what is this little blue building where question? That's a fieldhouse that's part of this joint venture with the city. Okay. Yeah, we we frequently don't mention that. Thank you. It's kind of part of the program for for fields like the athletic facilities include the gym and the fields and then this little toilet building which could have a snack bar has a little garage for maintenance people like storage of equipment and things that the weekends you

044don't have to open up the restrooms of your schools maybe you know the struggle going to the soccer game and there's like no bathrooms. Yes. Yes. One one final question. Yes sir. Oh, the NPR you have some layout that's just suggestion or it's that's the one building that's a little bit more designed because we had to engage the city and kind of get their input. So, of all the buildings here, um that's the one where we start the gym. That's Yeah, you're asking about the gym, right? No, I'm sorry. Those lines are just schematic. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Uh what is the prominade like what? Ah good question. So prominade is a fancy word. We try to use the clear house better than emergency vehicle access. But what um the local fire authority in the states

045require a certain width of clear space so fire trucks can get to the various buildings on campus. And um so that's what that's designed to kind of reserve earmark illustrate is that we have to keep that buffer between the fields in the gym. In other words, we can't push the gym closer to the fields to make more room for outdoor dining because we need that fire room. Is that fire required into the central courtyard as well? It is um to a point. So the um they can get to the it what drives the fire is how close to the buildings can they get with a fire truck and a hose. If you can imagine there's fire to try and get to it, right? So you have the street along the perimeter to get to these

046perimeter buildings. You have the black top through that that prominade to the black top. So you get all the way down to that steam building with the fire truck. And then the hose lengths you can also get between the TK and the MPR. That's another um area that's that that is wide enough to be compliant. So that does need to be that opening needs to be wide. Yeah. Yeah. At least you know the way we show now. Essentially, when we finalized the design, it may more, in fact, it most certainly will more from this. We'll just have to illustrate to the state arctic's office that we can get the proper safety equipment to each building. Before you move on, Glenn brings up a good point about lunch when it's raining and I've seen our kids

047like eating lunch in the classroom instead of but if they're just supposed to get their food from the the servy um I see you've got covered walkways in front of the classroom, but I would like to see covered walkways connecting the classrooms to wherever the servery is so that the kids don't have to walk in the rain to get their food and then come back to their classroom. Yeah, that's that's a that's a good point. They live in California. They got they got to endure some. Yeah. So yeah, certainly the the design could evolve in that regard. Just, you know, it's all about where you want to spend your money, you know. So like um if you get to a point where we have extra money or you get you might get to a point

048where we have to give up that nice lab in order to pay for the covered walk. So you have those kind of feeling. But yeah. So speaking of of safety um is are there any exits from the classrooms uh that don't go into the center of the Are there any exits downwards or the sides? You mean out of the buildings? Yes. out of the building. So I believe all the folia buildings exit into the courtyard. So there's no exits on this back side there. I mean there have been you don't need exits on the outside if you want. We have had instances where they wanted a door out in the back and it can certainly be added in if you want it, but it's not required. You don't need Yeah. So we can get code

049compliant. I don't know why you're asking the question. I guess uh it just seems that if you get to the shaded outdoor dining area, you've got access to practically everything. Oh, right here. You mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And And if you're you were talking specifically exiting from the building, right? Yeah. Okay. I mean, you can't jump out of the twotory, right? Well, one of the things sometimes on the back side of a lower story, you might have like a sidewalk around it and a door behind it or we would it's depending how we do the final be just like, you know, landscaping. Depends how you design. Yeah. Or something like that. But by design, like we had one that was a special ed classroom and then it there was a back door to

050like a garden area out there. So that programmatically made sense to add it or some of the customization we've done with the doors on the other side, right? Community school, right? So they had their own blacktop area and they didn't have to. It was actually Yeah. where they didn't want there was a unique program that didn't want to be connected to the rest of the classroom. So they had the back door access there. So one that you can add in but standard they're all facet. And what would we do with the space between the two second grade classrooms? Oh, this space. Yeah, good question. Yeah, I mean this is the exact layout at Certino High School. So, it's a connected like twotory walkway um on the second floor. Um and the first floor I think

051or I mean it doesn't have to be it could be whatever. So yeah, some campuses that camps that Amber's referring to specifically at the Patino High School, there's parking along here. And so this is a this is a breezeway to some stairs that take you to the parking lot because this is all within the campus in that scenario. So that's that's what it could be. Um it can be outdoor breakout space. Um, it could be storage like if you wanted to like a big particular place where they have PE equipment and stuff maybe put in and it's also if I remember it's also it's also covered because there's a second story above it. So you could put two picnic tables that could be another seating here. I know our third graders are not driving yet,

052so we don't have to worry about if you look at the diagram, there's the hedge you ride away there and then to the right of it is a strip that's marked off in red. What is that strip? That I believe is a bike path. Okay. All right. Yeah. So, they had touch they won't let us put any kind of driveway or anything like that over it. Yeah. When you want to put a fire over it, too. Right. Yeah. All right. So, I'll move on to the third option, but keep the questions coming. I can bounce back and forth. And then we have one slide at the end of chart that has all three of them side by side. they get smaller. It's a little harder to see, but so option three will be the smallest

053capacity and the smallest number of classrooms. So, uh, we have 24 classrooms and the capacity is 514. Um, in this option, we only have two of the flex labs. I'm sorry. Yeah, great. Three. Thank you. And, uh, two special and one special. There we go. Okay. So, let me get to the line. Okay. So, you see this one has less buildings, so there's a little bit more distribution of outdoor space. Uh, we've put the admin and the library into Folia buildings. So, we only have two custom buildings in this scenario, the MPR being one being the other. Um, and we only have two of each of the grades for the lower grades. So you only see two TK buildings instead of three or or TKK buildings. You only see two of those singlestory folios instead

054of three of them. So those are the differences here. Um, is TKK inherently single story or could it be could it also be like the bottom story of a twotory structure? It could be that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, from a code stand, I don't know. For the district, you might have your own could be the bottom of a story. Okay. Just get it gets complex like Nicholas saying, we're trying to get the TK and kinder closer to the drop off. Um, and then uh the layouts of the two store. I mean, you can do it, but yeah, we're trying those are bigger spaces. They're not standardized. Typically, I mean, districts do it in all sorts of different ways. So, I know districts doing kinder out of affordable no restrooms, but do it the right way.

055You're doing the 1250 square foot with the restroom. So, to follow up on that, how much more would it cost to put the twotory Lsholeia there instead of the two singlestory building? Um, good question. Are you are you suggesting the third twotory? Yeah, just like how much would that extra would it cost? And we would definitely get more capacity out of it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you put like the kinders in the first floor of do another twotory and customize the Kinder on probably the whole first floor of that. Um, which is about 7,000 square feet. So, maybe you could You're still only going to get Yeah, we have to That's an idea. And then the thing too though with the second floor, you're limited on the grades. So, third and up. Yeah. Yeah.

056You wouldn't um generally speaking, you wouldn't put third grade or below on the second floor for some code exit reasons. There's ways to do it, but it's not really just put space up there. But if the first graders have to access as long as I guess the flex spaces are only for the middle schoolers but if the first graders were accessing the maker that's a little bit of an issue that I want to study because it's not um remember the flex spaces are not occupied spaces or loadable spaces. So the the code issue that comes up is um it's surprising how sometimes the code is so practical, right? So really it gets down to you don't want an emergency situation. You don't want big people trying to run past little people. So for those reasons,

057the code is written in a manner that um any anyone second grade and below cannot be on a second floor that has any kids bigger than them on second floor. So it's to your point if you had fourth graders in a flex lab and second graders in a flex lab they might be crossing a line of code there. If they had to egress through the same path which is the same stairs and go the same high school they put the admin stuff on the second floor. You wouldn't put that above the teaching tenders. You could you really could if you wanted to. uh the second level admin is probably not as u as accessible as we might normally advise. you know smoke a visitor comes in and I have to go upstairs you want gatekeep

058but I think if I understand the gist of what you ask would study what what this would look like as a twotory building there exactly I mean we're how committed are we to like what classroom is being used for whichever grade level at this point anyway I assume that's just a place for capacity estimation, but if for some reason we decided ultimately, oh, we want it to be TK5 or 6 through eight or whatever, that's still we could still change our minds down the road, right? Yeah. Except Except for the T kinder TK with the if you want the oversized classroom with the restroom, that's not my figure. Right. Right. But even that, let's say worst case, we decided we wanted it to be a middle school, we could repurpose that room as some other

059type of Absolutely. Sure. Absolutely. Yes. The dream classroom, right? The big classroom with the bathroom. The dotted black line. Is that the sort of perimeter that didn't put in this dotted black line? I think it's it's your blowup line. Oh, this story line. This right here. Yeah. Oh, this is just showing you what is the twostory component and then it or what is a two-story building and unfortunately this is just bound in the middle of it. So that's why that show you copy and pasted it over. It's so hard to show second to the second floor on a one sheet. So really it's just saying hey this dash line points you to here and this is the second floor of this building and this is the second floor of this building and then you see

060the roof of this building. Perfect. Um uh the uh outdoor dining space or shaded out space, the the four miserable trees, so the three miserable trees between the NPR and the advent could be cut down and replaced with a a shade structure, right? Yeah. We had a good promise for that. Yeah. There's no existing trees now. We're leveling the site. We're not keeping any trees like we're starting from scratch. But yes, you can you can X them out of this drawing and put whatever you want there. Oh, so I had a question about the play structure. So I see here you just put one there near the TKK, but if we wanted a second one like is there flexibility in terms of adding that like let's say where the outdoor learning area is or I

061don't know also how flexible the black top area is because I think in concept one you actually had a place structured there at the bottom of the black top area. Is is that all still flexible? I think that's all still flexible. Yeah. What um let me see um what is kind of um makes it is that there's a certain number of of black top that the um city wants access to. I think if you want the pickle ball courts, basketball courts beyond that you can make your any any black top beyond that. It could you could create that for a play structure or you could put different striking on there. Maybe it's four square instead of basketball or what have you. Um any of this play any of this space like you could have TK

062playyard here and first second third grade right here. you know, it' be something, you know, different scale and whatnot. Sorry, can you for clarity because you had said before that like the fields and the gym and the parking and all that was programmed out with the city. So, are you saying that the blocktop area has been programmed out with the city as well? A certain a certain portion of it has just your very joint use agreement in terms of square footage wise. Yeah. What you owe them, but Well, we owe them fields. I don't know that I understood that we owed them. I might be blind access. Do we own an outdoor basketball? Uh, it's all part of a package deal, but there is some outdoor space, but but again, we were trying to work

063with them about I guess what I'm trying to get at is I So, I like there's a lot I don't like about concept 3, but I like that it sort of felt like a larger cohesive campus. So, I'm wondering on some of the other ones, and I'll defer to the educators because it's not clear to me. Some of them it sort of seems like the laptop is an awfully long way and kind of in the back of other buildings which seems potentially like an issue. Um so one of the things I'm interested in asking about is whether we can reconfigure things a little bit to sort of maybe push some of the building out the perimeter or something make it feel like more like the black top is right there outside the classroom the way

064it is in a lot of campuses rather than kind of down the hall around the corner. Yeah. So just conceptually you want to take the uh the gym the uh admin building and swap with the black I don't know if yeah I don't know if I would start with this but yeah something like that. Okay. I think we can't do you can't we can't really move. Yes. So, I appreciate your comments, but there is some flexibility, but I want to say the gym's kind of locked into where it was because of a couple of other parameters and I think the fire access was one of them. But the black top itself, I think there's lots of flexibility there. We move that gym around in all sorts of different ways and it ended up like that

065was kind of weird. So, why don't we for fun go to here. Now, I know you'll have hard copies on your hard copy, but this gives you an opportunity to kind of just compare side by side and uh think about it. Um, do we want to talk a little processwise what we're hoping so to kind of we've heard a lot of great like could we do that and what if we could do that and I think it's the goal to come back on June 2nd with uh or June 9th with something more maybe closer to what we think is what we want what you all want option four which is takes I can't read all the feedback we hear today. And then I know this is like a later a later slide, but I think

066it might be helpful for them to understand like what the programming is because that's a lot of what they're asking about is like the actual detail. Yeah. So, um I'll let Eric answer the point, but yeah, we can come down we can take this feedback and treat it like a another option or another couple options and create that. Um, one of the things we typically do is this is often the first of several site committee meetings or or design programming meeting where we kind of have an iterative process where we meet with you guys, reflect back to you what you told us and meet again. Did we get it right? And each time we add a little bit of something extra like this time we're going to also talk about colors. This time we're going

067to make sure we got that right. And now we're going to talk about building form and what kind of materiality you want. um you know and so that's the design process. Um we don't necessarily need to start that process to have a direction. Um but we certainly want to have that process before we get into construction documents if that makes any sense. So I I this is refresh my memory. The field space is fixed pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then I'm writing a lot of notes down about things that I've been hearing about uh you know outdoor space playground uh places for kids to eat lunch um outdoor playground that's not just for TK because the other grade level three want them to go outdoor play obviously the older kids are going to

068be doing other things right they're not going to be they might be on a black company back or other or other things um uh talking about I mean these are the things I'm hearing and then also I think the flexibility ility to create things basically the flexibility to where the spaces are at uh about the size of the rooms and things like that. Um we're not committing ourselves to any particular design or size or anything but where things are laid out and then what's possible based on the variable space. We know that like we said the fields in the park and all that that's kind of like in a parking lot it's kind of a fixed space but it's what's inside the rest of that we have a little bit of flexibility moving things around.

069Um, a customuilt building uh might be a little bit longer in the DSA review process, but it's also a little bit more because it's custom, it does cost more. Um, so I'm being mindful of our costs. Um, so the the more we can fit inside a full building, it's more cost better for the district. So those are things I'm just like thinking of. Um but yeah, we're not committing ourselves to a particular design or anything finalized, but we do want to get moving so we can start the actual programming of how will each classroom be used. A regular um I guess you could say first grade through fifth grade classroom and sixth grade it would be pretty standard classroom just like ours are. But then if there's a science classroom, how many hoods would you

070need? What electrical things do you need? Abs, you know, gas for buns and burners and things like that. Um, and then if there's flex spaces, uh, would one be more for like robotics, STEM, uh, maker space, right? Or one is going to be more for like art and music. And so those are the type of programming detail decisions that will have will be more programming meetings, uh, about user groups and how they're involved in that process. Um, and then, you know, most classrooms are going to have standard casework and a closet and storage and things like that for the teachers. Um, but then if it's a science, they'll have more storage requirements, right? And that's why those rooms are a little bit bigger because you've got more cabinets for all the different science equipment that

071you're going to need. Those are the type of things I'm I'm hearing. But that'll be a lot more detailed programming once we get the concepts laid out of where we want to put things. Then we'll have that detailed programming to talk about what's the use like the library, how much shelving do we need, uh, is there a circulation desk, what does that look like, right? What's our tech standards? Is every room going to have a flat screen and so on? So, those are kind of other more detailed decisions that have to happen. Uh a final answer on whether we can get the parking spots in the parking garage because the larger the classroom, the more adults that we have on campus. So, they need parking spots and and means less parking spots. Yeah. And we've

072been working with Federal Realy who wanted the we manage the property and we've been in discussion with them about that about how can we get some extra parking for staff and then visitors come to visit volunteers and think that there's there's available space. Yeah, we've been working on that with with property managers out there. Do you know when we'll have an answer like yes? I don't but I don't think it's going to be difficult for you but we are trying I have a question maybe you're going to talk about so you have this little this is the less expensive medium expensive less expensive so obviously the most expensive has the more square the most classrooms the most square footage space but it also has these two custom buildings that if we did away with them

073and did the fully buildings would the cost go down so that it would be kind of more moder like that it would fall in line with the middle or yeah we'd have yeah we'd have to like we didn't put the dollar values to it so because yeah right it is kind of complicated you could say okay pay about um roughly $1,000 a square foot talking general but because the folia and the custom are different values per square foot you have to throw it all into an Excel sheet and and pump something out and also kind of do that would be the next phase is to do more detail estimating once we kind of got these narrowed down some more um that was going to be our next step because obviously that is a very important

074question as dollars um to each of these so we didn't have them for this meeting but we tweak some of these as some way next step and um dialing into custom and the full well I think having most flexibility for number of students is so I like concept two because it has the most classroom space but but yeah could it's also the most you Anyway, so we can take advantage of some more poly opportunities to reduce the cost of the added square footage. Yeah. Well, and I mean I know you're saying that concept one costs more than concept 3, but I would love to get a better sense of like how much more because I think the difference in capacity was really not that big. It was like 12 students more. But if we're paying,

075you know, like how much more are we willing to pay for that? Three million big picture. talk about 3 millionish um difference between concept one and three. 3 million? Yeah, because it's about 3,000 square feet. But I don't think I would do that. But see, that's really important to know. I would never choose an extra 12 students for $3 million. But I would love to see as like a concept four maybe taking concept three and doing the twotory folia instead of the TKK. Unlike Jim, I like Concept 2 the least because I think it over um ways like the TKK classrooms and I I don't think that that has as much flexibility as the twotory. Yeah. Yeah. Understand? Well, I was going to ask all of these seem to have given that the gym is

076fixed, all of them seem to have prioritized PKK being very close to the parking lot as opposed to the multi, which I'm not sure is what I would prefer. So, I was wondering if if staff has any like how important is that? I mean, how important is that? I think on a daily basis you have families walking their kids to TK whereas on occasions you have families walking to a multi a lot of competing is way back right yeah but that's not the long plan and yes it's an issue at night absolutely there's there's very little light on that campus it's difficult to find um building all around camp. That's code prime right let you know that lot lighting all the way in the parking lot. Yeah. All the pools have are laid out. Laura

077Laura has a Is there a TR? Yes. Yes. The the fields that aren't uh Yes. Around that all the green in that back there is a not like a track like a decomposed granite. So not for like track and field sports. Correct. No, not like a um dimensioned like track it's a walking path which you could probably measure out if they're using P in the mile you would have to go out there and figure out what that distance and getting back to Stella is quite because I've been writing down like the the differences like here and I don't the difference between one and three it's only 3,000 square feet it's not that many more kids classrooms it's one special ed and one flex so I don't understand why it's $3 million admin is a separate

078building. I think that's um yeah, the admin is in is in the twotory folia and option three and in option one it's a standalone building and and then just for round numbers we um in construction like the the cost of construction is about $1,000 a square foot. So that's where we're getting that number. W Street is yes extra. You know, it's a lot, but that's some what it cost. Does that $1,000 per square foot include what you add for overruns? It doesn't include that or does it does not. That's like the hard construction cost and then we would have a separate budget for contingency or cost escalation. So, and you last and you've said in the past that that's 25% previous. We wouldn't do that's a big that's a big um that's a big contingency

079or allowance. What is the standard number? You know for new construction between 5 to 10%. Is you know modernization you might have a little bit higher because you're worried about maybe 15%. It just depends um what type of modernization you're doing because once you start opening up walls that haven't been open up in 50 years you could find things and so you want to have a little more. Yeah. Eric, can I ask my question? You mentioned 25%. And I want to make sure often times project costs will differ from construction costs by around 25%. Project costs a lot more than just the contingency you're talking about. Yeah. So that's why the 25% is a valid number for project cost differential, but Eric mentioned something closure of five or seven% for a contingency. I just don't

080want to confuse those two. Yeah. You just confuse those two. Stop. Well, so what's the difference between project cost and construction? I can go for it. So the project cost would be um cost of the architect, the engineers, the testing lab, all the other cost of the furniture, fixers, equipment, DSA fees, um all the things that are part of the project other than the actual construction. And so there's a project cost, there's the construction costs. Um and then when we break it down, we'll be bringing a budget to the board and we'll try to break it down for all the different categories. So the $1,000 square foot roughly is a construction cost. Yes. Yeah. And we can finetune all that, but I just want you like that's the rough easy. We'll do the detail. I'll

081get him to do the detail. And so I know when Brent uh when Brent did the master plan, the hard cost was the construction cost and then he had that about 65 or you know about 25% to 30% of your construction of your of your budget is going to be soft cost which all those other things. Um, one of the things that's sort of like fas me a little bit is uh at least in the pictures uh the first story building the first story classrooms seem to be quite a bit darker than the uh uh second story and the reason is because there's big story um uh are there standards for how much light you have to have movements or whatever it is there are exactly Yeah. Yeah. And all the all the classrooms meet

082the minimum. And what you can do is in the upstairs you may not need to turn the lights on to meet that minimum whereas downstairs you need to turn lights. That's probably the differential. But they'll be LED light. I don't know what these lights they actually are. These are horrible. Yeah. But they'll be there fully. You saw in the picture there like the pendant lights that come down. So they're much easier on the eyes. Like so that's one of the things we think about is those learning environments. Yeah. how poorly those portable fluorescent lights are for the kids. So, um even if they're not getting the natural light, they're going to have good call lighting. Yeah. Um one other thing uh is I'm very surprised to see that there are 6 to8 classrooms that are

083being signed here because that's not what we discussed in close session. I'm very surprised that there's 68 classrooms in these designs because that's not what we discussed. What's that? Yes. Because that's not what we discussed in close session. I don't think that's true. But that's also true. Thank you. Um well my understanding was that um we're not a six classroom. Some thoughts. The good news I mean yeah this I mean a fourth and fifth grade classroom is no different from a six, seventh and eighth grade classroom. It's the only difference is the flex spaces make sure you have um that ability for grades. Yeah. Standard classroom. Yeah. If you had um middle school age class students, you would want to have the spaces that they need for their curriculum. So you need the science labs

084and whatnot that goes with that curriculum. But any any typical classroom that's 960 can be Yeah. So one of the things that um another thing that we said is this is an LD school. Uh does this imply that we're going to 68? Uh we having TK through 8 as uh one of our models right now. These are just concept drawings to look at the the goal of today was to look at the layout of where the buildings are within a campus. The grades are completely interchangeable unless you're looking at DK or those flex spaces. And I think we also want to show like loading and that matches our loading and then also look at the different options that are out there different grade level combinations. Again, I think with the flexibility, you can do any

085grade level you want. Uh you can do and we could build an even bigger school if we wanted to, right? But for right now, we're just working on on um just some concepts about what we have in front of And there's no discussion of what school is going there. This is just a concept, correct? Well, what's the flexibility? Like if we designed a certain thing with the TK andK where it is and then we decided not to offer TK and K at this site, can we then just not build it at that point? What point is that when you're a year from now? Uh yeah, I mean it'll be we planning on I guess that's next flight starting construction next May. So yes, you have the some design costs for it, but as long as

086we haven't started it, then yeah, you have that blank plot of land that you can put elsewhere or put regular classrooms in. Yeah. Often times we'll have clients where we'll master plan a campus and they'll phase it in and over time they may they may encounter enrollment over the course of phase in so we never end up building that last building or they may change program and we'll end up making that last building something different. you know, but um so to your point, yeah, we can we will probably get it all designed in order to stay on schedule and if there's a reason to change course at some point, it would just know the construction. So, that would be the last thing built and maybe not how you do it. And then some of the

087things we've also talked about um for construction is you kind of want to start at the bottom and work your way out during construction. So if you can do some of the foyer buildings first, which is a quicker process and review and actual construction schedule, that allows you time to get the other buildings approved by DSA and then they'll be kind of work, you know, working your way out. It's harder to bring cranes in and equipment if you build all these MPRs and things in front of it. So that's also the timing of how you want to build things. Um, and again, it's once we get a detailed construction schedule, then which is kind of segueing into our next kind of thoughts. Well, kind Yeah. Well, I want to make sure that we have a

088chance to I would like to offer some more general thoughts about layout possible layout changes. Um, so I think so California and showers are both very busy streets and so to some extent is store access along the hip. Like I know we screen things, but it's still pollution and noise and and all the rest of that kind of stuff. One of the reasons I was interested to sort of ask about moving the multi to where Kinder and TKI is because that seemed like a taller building on that edge to sort of help screen from that. Can't do that. That's fine. I could also see the multi next to the gym sort of as as close to the gym as as possible. But and the point of that is I would like to see if possible

089some plans that open this up more to the blacktop space. Like I don't want to if we make it if it makes us feel that there's like a fence around the buildings and then there's this black top space that's kind of hard for the kids to access. I think that would be a mistake and would sort of lead to so that MPR like an option one the MPR like turn it 90 degrees where the shape instructors are right now. Right. That would make a lot more sense to me to have the NPR Yeah. sort of parallel to the gym, right up next to the gym where that little patch shaped structures are and then the whole rest of the campus now feels like it's open to the black top. Yeah, that's cool. We need some

090separation between the building thing. That's why you um pushed it down there. And one question I have for you is um after hours, does the district or does campus want to have the black top available to the community? And it's so hard because that we we do work on a lot of schools where that's kind of the way it is. But then they for perimeter security they get into a challenge where in order to to secure the campus so there's not vandalism or whatnot at the school buildings you have a challenge to get access to the black top after hours. Well I mean I don't know what anybody else's opinion is. I if I don't know what the current of the discussion with the city if the city is going to insist on access to

091tennis courts or pickle ball or whatever at a time where we want the campus to be locked down we may have to do what they've done at some mount schools and kind of fence off half the laptop with an opening so that during school hours kids can get to the whole thing but after school hours we can block off part of it. But yeah, so one of the things they the fencing there which obviously need to change but fencing will preclude any of these from being school if we're going to walk down the school. Well, we have to have access after hours to the buildings themselves. Yeah, we would just unlock the gates. Okay. So far, my understanding of what's the discussion has been going on is that we lock down the schools at night.

092What I'm saying is that um if we have a community school, then we can do that. Yeah. And we do have um clients that have that scenario. So what we'll do, well often what we'll do is we'll have multiple points of entry egress in the perimeter that can be locked when the school or the district wants. And essentially what that means is they're locked during a school day and as soon as the school day is out, they can all be opened and they can be open as long as they want. So if you have community school, you have all your classrooms being used by a group in the evening. There's there is a supervised situation, right? It's not I mean there's grown-ups there and they belong there and they're doing what they belong there. So

093having all those gates open and also to earlier that because the code requirements these days, the campus will be amply well lit. So, it won't be dark. You'll have plenty of supervision. So, it's really not a security problem to have all these gates open, right? Soon as community school goes home at 9:30 at night, you can lock it down. There's no shenanigans in that court where it's hard for the police to surveil as they're driving by and stuff like that. fun. The only thing that I would just listen to everybody is I don't want to see our campus, whether it's the black top or whatnot, carved up by a bunch of gates. You know what I mean? like a black top like like I'm just trying to think of how can we make it feel

094like more like our own open campus without having I'm just picturing like kids like on one of the oning kids on the other side like it needs to be well thought out. Yeah. Some nice like big double gates or how it how it lays out so that it doesn't feel like Exactly. Yeah. point is very well. I think realize that we owe the city black cops. I think we need to get We had preliminary discussion, but a lot of thought needs to be um the other refinement I think I might be interested in seeing is so if you do move that the multi what I was suggesting before is looking at what it would what would be involved and then maybe adding on like basically combining the custom admin building and the custom multi in

095in concept 2 into like one building. Yeah. Maybe minus the library because one of the things I'm a little bit concerned about with some of these layouts is the user experience approaching the school like because we've got this curve and then square buildings like some of our schools are challenged in the way they present their first impression to the community and because you don't want to be approaching like a corner or weird opening. So yeah, like that's maybe the one area where it might be willing to spend a little bit extra money on custom construction is then if we can do a really nice approach to admin in the front of the easily identified all right subject to access requirements. Yeah. Although if we move the multi maybe enough for the fire engines to go

096through the the EVA around the top and come around the back through the black top. Oh yeah. So actually I I should modify my previous comment about concept 2. I think the reason I didn't tag and that's because of the custom admin and library spaces which you know we could possibly resolve. Um but like another thing I would want to see is a reduction in TKK classroom. So, I would be interested um equally to what I proposed before if concept 2 had uh I don't know if it's necessary here, but either just getting rid of one of the um TK wings or you know replacing it with that twotory um and then definitely not doing custom buildings for the um admin and library. And I don't know if we could if we had the twotory

097there. Well, it's kind of concept one, right? Where we have we took got rid of the TK building and put an admin in the folia there, right? And the library is in the story. But could you can you put a library above a CK classroom? But the for the first graders are accessing it. What does that do? Okay. But you can put the library in one of the lower my I mean I understand what you're saying but I think that people go to school in TKK one two three they start leaving school in four five six. So I think if you limit your TK class anyway you're at trying to get kids in. But all of our schools currently have two classes per grade level anyway. So I don't really anticipate needing three at this.

098Okay. But then if you don't think then you just need two of every grade, right? Yes. But right now they put three TKs and three K's there. But they also have three classrooms all the way through third grade. We could also put more kids in the TK classroom if we have another adult in there. Right. It sounds like the TK costumes are pretty large, so you wouldn't have to limit it to like 20 kids, but you could 30 kids and have an extra adult. Um, I just also wanted to say I like the u the blue triangles, the outdoor covered, not just for like lunch, but I see like a lot of our teachers, they do they like the kids out there learning outdoor learning spaces. I what I don't like about some of the

099concept is even a big concept. They don't there's not enough of that. You add you add square footage and then a building and then you're losing square footage of outdoor learning or um recreation center. I would actually I wasn't going to bring this up this time because I seemed like too much in the weeds. Um, but I do think we're going to want a relatively thick planted buffer on the hetchy side of blacktop. Like it would be great if that was all bushes that you can't see through basically. Yeah. It's a screen. Yeah. Basically screen from the shopping center. Yes. Right. Right. So I if we're negotiating with the city about what will fit into that black top space then I should bring that up that I would not want to see like just black

100top right up to California and uh yeah would like to see it there too. Yes. Yeah. Do a lot of screens so when you're in that school you don't feel like you're in Yeah. busy streets and the shop center. There's so much fun when you're driving down Homestead Road in front of the Apple campus and all you see are bushes. Uhuh. Yeah. You don't realize we don't have the I mean that's partly because they pushed enormous burns up on their program. Like we don't have the acreage to do that. Um but it's also like dampen some of the noise too from the traffic to give all this. It's nice to have some nice landscaping. I'm going to throw a 10second pitch of just the one thought I had from an admin perspective that I liked

101about number three is line of sight. When you're trying to find a student, making the space open and having more line of sight and make being mindful of like if I'm coming out of the admin building trying to find somebody that being just thinking from an ants view, what can you see? And just looking through that some of these have buildings in so many different places. I can't see the black top at all. And so I can't look out quickly to see is someone even out there watching these children and just kind of thinking through that. That would be my one pitch. Do you want to say a little bit more like like like more specifically or like if the teacher calls and says like my student has returned back from the bathroom? I go

102great, I'll go look for them. But it takes it can take a long time if I'm having to go on the back side of all the buildings because I can't see. I think the difference I love being a gardener but I think through Springer and it takes them 30 seconds to walk up the back side of the building and look down every single hallway. It is so and then you can look across the backtop and you can see everything. There's almost nowhere that a student can easily hide except for on the fire lane side. And so you've got a really quick view of my own child who was out the other day who didn't return and she was in the wrong hallway and someone found her real fast. I was like, Emma, wrong hallway, go

103back to class kind of thing. But in Carver, sometimes I'm having to go around the whole admin building. If you've done that whole thing, having to go all the way around the front, all the way down the middle. I can't see anything for that whole first 30 seconds and I have to get all the way around all the buildings before I can see the black top and then I'm having to go all the way around more buildings because I just don't have a good line of sight the way that everything's just kind of been orientated. Well, some of our kids didn't tend to love. Well, so that's I mean to that point like I could also see if we're deciding that multi- access by parents is more of a sometimes thing then I mean I

104could see pushing the multi all the way back to up against the hedgeh right of way. If if when you sort of walk through the front gate it's obvious where it is even in the dark then maybe it doesn't have to be right next to the parking lot. Do you mean like you would put it in the corner where the outdoor dining is now and then you could move out? Well, no. I think three is too far away like Yeah. Where he's Yeah. Or here in over here. I want to be mindful of our time. Um so so on the schedule just like highlights we showed the designs like um right now we're showing the design in three increments. So one's going to be like a demo and site utility package that would get us

105going on construction next May. Um, and then ink two is the folia classrooms because we can do that as a se standalone package and it'll get through DSA much quicker. Um, and then ink three would be the custom buildings. It would take a little bit longer to design and a little bit longer to get out of DSA. So construction on that phase would start a little bit longer. Um, right now we're showing um starting programming. Um, so I know we this is kind of a little bit of programming what we're doing right now, right? So but we would start once we get like an NVP on um to keep going with their design. Right now we're showing that as June 2nd at that board meeting notice notice to proceed. So you guys said yes, green

106light, keep going with your programming. Um then we would spend the summer um working through these details some more a little bit of this the site conceptual layouts of floor plans of the buildings. Um and then just wanted to point out that we're already we're working on a pretty tight schedule with this all laid out in a perfect world. we're sh we're finishing in August of 2028. Um so if this not trying to pressure anybody but if the design pushes even like a month or two then um we're we're not able to guarantee opening at the start of the school year right now and maybe we're finishing in September or October or November which is less than ideal. So um just want to let you know we kind of use the ball to float in

107our schedule. Um if you wanted to hold to that August 2028 you're saying there's no slack. Yeah. Yeah. So ideally we can get direction to proceed notice to proceed you know immediate first step and then we could move into finalizing the program and design thereafter. So sorry on the schedule here does inks one through three programming community engagement. I'm sorry I know I may have missed if you talk about what that entails but I did not say that but we kind of alluded to it in that first of all this is a great session. This is the ideal way it unfolds. You guys have some the great questions and we're right on track with that. Um, what we want to do moving forward is we want to make sure that we have these kind of

108meetings with whatever stakeholders you think really need to be informed and we can even have a planning session where we kind of talk about what stakeholders just need to be informed, which ones need to be involved, which ones need to be approving what we're doing, you know, which ones need to be making the decisions, right? So there's this whole kind of engagement with the stakeholders for transparency to make but also to make sure we're getting the right design like like the feedback on the line of sight and stuff like that, right? Yeah. You know, so there's that whole process and really what we do and how much we do it really does vary from district to district because you all have your own lead on the pulse of your community and what is needed. And

109it could be your community at large and we're talking neighbors and people like that at a community meeting like a town hall or it could be your community meeting for people who are going to occupy this site and anywhere in between. It's just what's your appetite for transparency and engagement and then the schedule has some time dedicated for that. Not a lot of time because that can really go and go. So we just we just try to like say okay here's a good little chunk. Well so that was my question I guess maybe for that. I mean that's shown as sort of end of Q2 which is like we can't do community engagement over the summer I mean that way. So, well, we've talked a lot about also using standards for um when we get

110into some of the in the classrooms and in the spaces, what is our standard for different elements, right? How much storage and backpack hangers and all of that stuff. I don't know that we need community engagement around that if we're just going to use our standards. So we need to figure out what community engagement looks like, what the purpose is for this particular site. When does it I I thought this point was valuable because boots on the ground. Yeah. Right. So um so when does it make sense to have like him and like the other teachers? Yeah. to have it have I was thinking more so like CTA not so much teachers but to have input and how they practically use the space how they interact with the space is it after we choose one

111of these options when we choose an option because this would never sorry this would never have occurred like Kim's point would never have occurred about find a site and I don't know how many other folks who work on camp occurs to Kim right yeah well I think when does it say when does it make sense involved. Well, I want to talk an opinion about that. I think we need to sort of say who's going to go there so that the people who need to be involved know that they need to be involved. But the idea you have a lot of complexity would be ideal, but you could also do it by um a typical group like a typical by one or two principles or administration. You could do it and and speak to it in

112general. That's right. The parameters that you're under right now and and you're diving into the Yeah. and you're not getting into like the programming yet. You want to get the square footage and the classroom palette and the layout dialed in. Um if there's some more like detailed like hooks and like um but more uh more detailed stuff that's in like schematic design and design development then we're going to be narrowing down some more the details within the classroom based on how much case work is needed and that kind of thing goes more to layout right which is why but but I think one of the things is like when they talk about programming and concepts is if we are going to do two or two or three TKs or K's we have to make sure

113we design those because those have special design requirements and space space has to be designed that way. Uh, and then whatever grade level we decide goes there, where it goes. Yeah, that there are some flexibility in it. But we also need to know what programs are going there and what concepts and where we want to lay things out. Um, yeah, we could put buildings all around, but then it's all we could do a lot of things. We just can't do everything. To your point, it help you all make a great point. So, time is of the essence, right? We get ready for summer right around the corner. Um, ideally, we can get some engagement with those folks before they be summer. is that willing to give us a leg up in getting design move forward

114during you know July and August. Um so that would be the designers answer to that question the conversation about programming just so I have an idea in my head of what our deadlines are. It's already started. This is it. Correct. This is like the beginning of programming. Yeah. In a lot of ways, we um we we inherited what's called written documents. And so there was some programming done before we got involved. And that's kind of what we used as our launching off point. Uh but all that can be confirmed and vetted by y'all. Now, I'm not sure you all have the same folks who did that programming document or not, but um yeah, we need to move forward in getting that locked in um in order to stay on track. Ideally, we can get approval

115to proceed and then we can dive into those meetings, you know, and I don't know when the last day is when folks are gone, but well, so to point if like whether we're going to go K to 8 makes a difference, right? Like we're not going to go K8. We don't need as many flex bases. We don't necessarily need Steam spaces. So, you know, yeah, it would be like the number of classrooms would be important in terms of dial in the but remember the flex spaces are inherent to the design of the building, right? I mean, they could be flex. They could just Yeah, fitting. Yes, they could end a regular class. You were absolutely correct. They're flexible. They are a little bit bigger under this scenario, but you could use it as a regular

116classroom. We could carve out some extra space. But if we're not going to try to go if we're not trying to go two classrooms KA, right? We could just build the 2L and that's it if that would accommodate the number of kids that we need to accommodate in the short term. So is that 550 students or what's that? Is it 500 students? What's the This is my point. I don't think as a board we've made that decision. That's what we'd like to know. Why don't anybody else feel stressed if you want to know what's information I feel like the board needs to have another special meeting study session whatever you want to call it if all you are so given that there's no slide my expectations you do that's fine But if we don't meet

117August 2020, then we have to wait till August 2029 because we wouldn't move kids in the middle of the school year, right? We um we could but I I think um you know there there's a cost to doing that and start the school year off in a new building. Um but we would have to figure out what that looks like. We could need to schedule for classroom by classroom. Yeah. any classroom. Let me stress for the teachers. I think they set up their classrooms. So I don't want them setting up their classrooms. But yeah, I'm just trying to understand what is the cost if we don't meet that deadline. What does that really mean? I think one of my thoughts is um you know you want to open up as soon as you can. There's

118a there's a cost of cost escalation could be by percent per year, 6% per year. So if we if we open a month or two late, it's you're going to save a lot more than if you open a whole year late. That makes sense, right? So you would want to you would want to open as soon as you can by fall 28 to get in there. And then if you have to hire extra movers or whatever to help get it all moved over a weekend, that's all possible, but you would save a lot of money by not delaying it a whole year because you couldn't meet that August deadline. Um, does the entire campus have to be 100% ready? Like what if the classrooms are ready? Maybe the library is not ready. I mean, that's

119Yes, because we're doing the folias first. Those will be done first and the custom buildings will lag. So, that is definitely um an option where maybe Yeah, you're getting the classrooms, but they don't have all of the extra space. That's Yeah. Yeah. As long as as long as we get uh DSA gives us occupancy benefit occupancy where you know the fire alarm is quarantine and everything then a lot of flexibility but it has to be so when do you need the notice to proceed when you need don't say today I'll be right June 2nd meeting um at least to to give us the green light to keep going with this design on design concepts right this is it's not the yes final decision of everything but do they continue working and start having conversations with

120the right people around those programmatic pieces like number yeah yeah number of classroom square footage it' be nice to have yeah for sure I think they'll tweak the layout a little bit but we don't need to decide the type of fume and all this stuff those actually need work design development construction drawings and that all has to done we go to construction drawings but now it's basically the big concept where where things going to go and then take all the feedback we heard tonight then I think we can talk about how we present that again come back and show maybe a take all the things you heard tonight and maybe come back again we're not making a motion or anything on this though tonight you just gave us a bunch of homework yeah can we

121Actually, oh, I had a question before um about like so I know you dislike concept 3. Um but as someone who does like it, I was kind of wondering what we could do to make it more to your liking. And I think one thing we did not like was the placement of the multin room and did you already propose moving it between the admin and the gym? That was what I proposed. But yeah, I mean if if where you're going is moving it. Okay. I mean, I think either one of those would be an improvement. Well, so the only the other thing I didn't like about concept three is the black top is entirely behind this wing of right what's labeled as grade five and six classrooms, right? Again, to the point about trying to

122find kids. Now, you've got like this courtyard over here and this black top over here and the fields over there. Move this up here and this seem still have sides. That's why I mean I think I think we've given the more general feedback which is we would like you know the secretary would like to be able to walk out of the admin building and see as much as possible but she's stuck at garden forever all these other concepts you still have buildings in the way they just aren't classroom buildings right well that was what I was saying that would like that to not be the case like and I don't want to like I'm not an architect so and I don't know what all the constraints are so I don't know exactly how to achieve

123that but if we can achieve that that would be Right. I do like all the twotory buildings in one and two are on one side of the campus. Like there's nothing behind the twotory buildings. Right. That's true. Any questions comments before we question is is the gym part of the agreement with Mountain Dew? It seems like we don't really have all the facilities for middle school if we don't have a track, but we don't need a gym just for an elementary school. Well, I again we've been there have been staff level discussions with the city of Mountain View and part of my understanding was that decision was made that track took up too much space for for other ball fields and stuff like that given the given the um parameters of the site. Like there

124was an option that was presented a couple of years ago at this point that did have like a full track the way that some of ours do and the problem was that then there was no space for the baseball. [Laughter] Thank you both for being here. Right. We're going to adjourn us to close session now. Thank you.