001all right good evening everyone and I'm going to call the meeting to order it's a special meeting for our facilities and I'd like to start with a pledge of allegiance if you join me please I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America to the for it stands Nation indivisible andice I thank you uh first up we have Community comments and I'm going to read the guidelines for our community comments when you speak so welcome to this meeting in the school district of Amry Amry Board of Education we are pleased that you're interested in the work of the school board you may address the board only during Community comments time on the board meeting agenda any Resident District employee or guest invited by the board may make comments about any decision policy
002or board meeting agenda item the following guidelines have been established for addressing the board of education for those wishing to speak before the board a signup sheet will be available prior to the start of the meeting if the topic noted on the signup sheet is deemed to be out of order the presiding board member will inform the person wishing to speak prior to the start of the meeting Community comments must pertain to a board decision policy or board meeting agenda item comment time is limited to 5 minutes per person however the time limit may be increased or decre decreased at the discretion of the presiding board member political speeches which are not materially related to PO decisions policies adopted by the board or not about a board meeting agenda item are strictly forbidden personal CR
003criticism of members of the Board of Education or employees of the school district are also strictly forbidden please stand to be recognized after being recognized state your name and a municipality where you live for the record the board normally receiv receives citizen input and does not respond or debate if there is a need for an answer or response to a concern or issue the district administrator or one of the other administrators will get back to you with a response if your concern requires board action it may be placed on the agenda of a future board meeting please leave your name and contact information if you wish to be contacted by a member of the board or District administrator regarding your community comment what I got here um I have several people with no topics so
004when I ask you up uh please uh I'm going to say ask you what you want to speak about if that's okay so the first one is uh Stephanie Jensen and what are you gonna speak on Athletics okay good evening I attended the August Community session regarding the proposed a updates to athletic facilities as one coach spoke I could feel the Nostalgia of game day as he was referring to it and his emphasis on preserving that for our future athletes and their families in 2018 the then current board approved student policy 41.3 stating that those who hold a deep belief follow the belief consistently over a period of time who are supported by their parents or Guardians and have sought guidance or counseling will be permitted to access the segregated rooms that correspond to the
005gender identity that the student asserts with the policy also States and I quote no student shall be required to use unisex restrooms solely because of the students's transgender or gender non-conforming stat I'm regularly Accused by members of this board and of this room for spreading misinformation therefore I have provided you all with a copy of this policy and highlighted the specific areas that I'm addressing despite the Deep beliefs that families have held over a consistent period of time in 2020 our board ruled against those very same principles however that's not why I'm here today today I want to ask you what does the future look like for female athletes and their safety not only does this policy uh permit biological males access to female locker rooms which I'm being told we don't even have a
006female gym teacher and Supervision in locker rooms I hope that is untrue but it also permits biological males to participate in inter Scholastic athlets consistent with the policy of WIA I'm fully aware it's policy to permit biological males and female sports but given the opportunity to stand in the gap for these young female athletes their families and coaches this policy just slams the door in their faces it may as well read without protest we will support biological males in participating in female sports we have some very very talented and aspiring female athletes in our district how is this encouraging to their safety and their how is this an equal opportunity for them it is of great concern that there are members of this board who are under the impression that this policy is law it
007may be legal but it is not law while adding Clauses to policies such as hippoc Clauses or medical health records which legally allows the district to honor students 16 years or older the use of their preferred pronouns without parental consent or knowledge by creating an Avenue for the district to circumvent parents so again what does the future look like for our female athletes in the Amry School District how does the community feel about your support or lack of for a female athletes will you look into the eyes of our hardworking female athletes their families and coaches and tell them it was right and fair to be beaten out by a mail that it's fair competition this community and individuals from this very room have rallied around Alicia mson to celebrate her successes and accomplishments from
008gathering on race day at the community center special appearance to student practices local 5Ks not to mention the numerous articles featured in the Amry free cheering on our hometown Olympian Runner I can't imagine those celebrating in this her in this community would find it fair and totally acceptable to dump Millions of their tax dollars into the Amry School athletic facilities and programs if the future of the female sports is in Jeopardy due to the lack of support and sound policy not to mention the financial threat that comes with a continued decline enrollment I feel the day I fear the day our female athletes will be a mere mention of the past and in support of them I would ask that before this board moves forward in approving new athletic updates they RIT student policy 311
009or 4113 and find a way that not only preserves but supports the future of our local female athletes their coaches and their families attached with our current policy in what I handed out um is a different example of a bathroom Locker policy it's WIA policy and that's our District's current policy thank you thank you next we have Margie is it Blaha okay and what are you going to talk about it's it's about the sports facility okay yep yes you do please sorry okay yeah I I really have one major question that I would ask and that would be I would imagine you've done the cost benefit an for this project you're doing so I would like to have accessibility to that CBA um all big projects that are done anywhere in business and you know
010in government uh a CBA is done I used to have to do them for projects that I did for SLE companies travel so I would want access to that to uh to to show the cost against the value of doing this project so that we're all aware of that and um the best approach to uh to a to achieving the benefits you're looking for while preserving the savings for the community so I would imagine you've done that so I would ask that that be handed out to everyone um I think the community would look at that also and that would would tell us if what is being done is absolutely necessary one other thing I heard was that it's Gophers are part of the problem well Gophers are a nonprotected wildlife and I would wonder
011had you have you contacted an extermination com company because um the DNR would allow you to kill these goers and you could put out a a bounty on them maybe kids would go after them or something but I would say we should look at the extermination and then look at what needs to be done to the facilities before you put out this kind of money the other thing is I had heard I think you had said through one meaning possibly that this would not be increased taxes to the population so I will use 5% but I understand it's probably more than 5% let's say you spend $3 million 5% of that is 150,000 that's over 10,000 a month so what programs are you going to eliminate because I don't think you're going to get that
012many people coming in unless you're going to charge $300 a ticket to go to a football game or any game so um what what are you proposing to eliminate it in order to make sure this is paid for without the taxes going up because through the ref last referendum went up I'll say as one taxpayer my taxes went up over $900 so if you're going to do this kind of a project which is in the same ballpark for money you know you're you're kind of putting us right right to the to the brink and if you are Bor uh borrowing against the the buildings and everything what happens if do you still what is still your borrowing power so that if something goes wrong with another building that you have to do a roof or
013you have to do something else so have you allowed yourself that gap for emergencies or are you taking it right to the brink also on the ball field um why do you want to take on more liability um you you've got ball field you've got everything else so I would ask why are you wanting to take the liability on for another ball to are you referring to J Jenson right so um those were just a few questions that I'm asking at this point but I would appreciate access to the CBA for this project can you leave your contact information yes I do that is it on the sheet no she doesn't have anything WR yeah and then we have Jima I addition questions okay do you need my address I'll call yeah okay all right
014sounds good thank you Mar then we're going to Tom Sykes and you're talk about the athletic yep okay thank you my name is Tom from the ton of B River I've been a resident for about 35 years and I've had three kids graduate from amley and I'm very very proud of the school district um I've been and a very Pro athletic I help coach hack years ago many years ago um but U I guess my concerns are is knowing oh and I served on the County Board in 2000 and one of my biggest mistakes that I got there was um that was at the time when we were deciding to build new buildings the the new courthouse match and we voted to just go ahead and do it and and I was initially in favor
015of doing a referendum and I think we all realize that a referendum would have been more than helpful in terms of getting the population behind us and if it's and and if there's a good cause for it it seems to me like a referend I know it's a little additional but it certainly I think involves and I think hopefully the school dist encourages direct involvement of the community and and like Mars I just would like to know you know where the money is coming how we're going to pay for it and U it's it's it's it's a tough thing I would love to see the a football team do really well been it's been a struggle Dr derer will you be talking tonight again how we're going to finance this we're doing the finance right
016after the commun just so that everybody so please stay so that you can see it we've done it I don't know a couple meetings in the past but if you guys can stay to listen to that it'll be all laid out no that was in the other meeting yeah they're all in the thing everybody can grab one if you didn't grab handouts outside the door there yeah they're available I think Troy will grab some for oh oh we had some yeah thank you thanks Mr Bo yep well the ink pen kind of fell apart Beth Anderson yeah yeah follow yep um just two questions from the last meeting I think I heard that youth can't play on Turf and I just want to clarify that somebody had said that youth can't play on Turf on
017like the soccer fields and I just wanted to clarify that question and my other question was is anything being done with the green spaces between all of this so like for instance my son plays playing football and while he Wasing FL football you know there's a little Flags out there with the wire and a flag showing where goer hole is is that you again I it off I'm sorry don't put the cords in front of meor sorry I I board president's out of control over here sorry we had that f is anything being done with other areas outside stat and yep yep thank you B all right uh then we'll go on to our informational items and first is and always will be the Athletics okay John's going to walk through the financing slides good
018evening everybody um this is going to be a little bit uh nope keep going there you go um this will be a little bit uh I guess less as far as a deep dive into the actual mechanism that is fund 38 than in the previous board meetings um if you have questions you can feel free to reach out to me after and I will try to answer them for you so what you see in front of you here is three different options that are placed uh that are put together by Beed Financial and just to kind of recap and to answer some of the questions about as far as how does this not increase taxes that sort of thing um we operate our general operating budget is is essentially called we we refer to it
019as operating within the revenue limit anything that is outside of the revenue limit needs to go to referendum or needs to have other types of things so for instance the most recent referendum uh that lives outside of the uh the general fund and that lives outside of the revenue limit which means that the taxes need to be agreed upon and then ultimately paid in a different fashion this is operating using District money to pay off debt borrowed so for instance the first slide if you want to go to the next one this would be the option if we were to finance $3 million at 20 years inside the revenue limit using fund 38 um this is not a new slide the interest rate was adjusted by about you know one tenth of a percent just
020to be a little bit more realistic to current numbers um but as you can see this is what the the cost impact looks like to the district at $3 million and this is the slide if you go it all the way to the back we're going to kind of Bounce here a little bit this is the the slide that we've kind of gone over uh quite a few times if you look at the black the black is what our current debt service payments are and this is 20222 current and if you can see there we have dropped off a significant amount of debt uh over the year over this past year so that red bar that would be the $3 million borrow Mark so what that does is it essentially keeps us right at the
021same Debt Service payment that we've been making for the last uh number of years at the same amount which is about 23 $2,000 annually so you can see how that carries on all the way through to 2044 um it just expands out so now if you go back to $4 million the next one yep thank you so this would be if we were to borrow $4 million and again you can see that the overall comparison difference is mostly in the interest interest is going to be $659 is, from $3 to $4 million um and you can see that if we go to that last slide again you can see where that lands us as far as what our debt service payment would be on an annual basis so we're increasing our debt service from 231,000
022to roughly 350 plus th000 where that money comes from is a number of various things there's not one specific program or anything that gets cut it can be anything from starting to use fund $46 it could be um reducing the fund balance but again I don't think we're we're in the market of saying we're going to slash curriculum costs to pay for athletics there's no proposed cuts that gets you to that marker of 231 to the marker of 350 or the next marker not the tell you the next slide of 425 there isn't any any reason to cut anything to make that happen the 231,000 in a$ 22.7 million budget is less than 1% the high Mark here is 1.8% of your entire budget would be devoted to Debt Service it's not even close to
023putting us in a financial hardship and our borrowing limit to answer the question from before is $141 million we're not anywhere close to that so this is completely manageable within the budget and does not increase anyone's taxes because it isn't a referendum it isn't a new tax levy these are dollars already being spent in the budget they will simply continue to be spent in the budget simply On Athletics as opposed to a variety of other things but nothing's getting cut and so so again if you don't spend it on Athletics you're spending it somewhere else correct within the budget within the budget in this mechanism just for full disclosure the fund 38 mechanism expires at the end of of this budget year the 23 24 year if you move into the 2425 year this mechanism
024to use fund 38 expires then you are obligated to go to referendum at that time to do this I mean that that pretty much sums up so the $5 million options simply gives you a different price point and you'll see the same type of a schematic it simply is a different marker for the $5 million B right and I would say if you're looking for an apples to Apple's comparison and what this does that first sheet that has scenarios one two and three is the best comparison for as far as what's the difference in uh actual Debt Service payment and what the increase in interest is over three4 and5 million the biggest hypothetical here always will be your interest rate 5.25 bear tends to be conservative in their estimations I would think that would be
025respons responsible as a financial analyst and that's true here it it could be 525 we were hopeful of interest rates on the the referendum we passed last spring of being in the twos and threes and it ended up being 425 because they sort of started to rise in the months right before us doing the borrowing but we don't know what that's going to be this is a prognostication and it always would be until you actually do it so your increase in your property tax um we have a capital funds payment part of that tax and then an operating expense so the when we borrowed the 43 a. half million that increased your property taxes not by 9,000 what that not by $9,000 no no 900 but we also got to be realistic about your tax
026bill your tax bill has about 15 parts to it not just school and if you look at most tax bills over the last 10 years because I've looked at dozens of them with dozens of phone calls if you look at the last 10 years they're up five years and they're down five years and that actually results in for most people your amount of money paid in taxes in 2022 is less than it was in 2012 if you actually look at the Historical Trends they're all available right on the PO County website if you want to look at them any ones all the way back to the year 2000 y y so the conversation at this point these are three slides in essence created at a 3 million a 4 million and a 5 million obviously
027the price points are determined by what you do or what you don't do and that's a conversation we had prior we can certainly review for the folks that are in the room what those three options are it won't take me long so I will do that here and then you can uh be more informed in 5 minutes than you were before uh the first option is a $4 million option in the pros of that what you're doing is an artificial turf surface for football and regulation soccer a new nine Lane track around that football field um a minimal improvements to your walks in Plaza areas and then lastly a minor baseball and softball upgrade in order to make this change please note at the top of the screen in bold you'll need to remove your
028tree line and move your Press Box in your bleachers back here is why you need to do that because a football field is not the same dimensions as the soccer field soccer is wider and thereby you have to move the bleachers because you'll run out of space the cons of this particular proposal there are no LED lights at the football field our lighting is very poor at the football field there's minor baseball and softball upgrades we have much bigger needs than what would be allowed for here uh in note if you're going to add Turf to the facility then you would increase your price T by 1.4 and that you'll see in option three option two mirrors a lot of what you just saw you're adding LED lights at the football field uh you're doing
029a baseball uh upgrade where you're re redoing the grass surface at baseball top dressing irrigating new fence new dugouts uh minimal improvements to your walkways and Plaza once again and then lastly you are missing there is some conversation at least least one year of home games potentially two depending on what the timeline on weather and growing grass would allow the third option is a $6 million option and the way that you derive those is right underneath where it says option 36 million fund 38 5 million we just covered that slide that's where the 5 million's from and then the referendum contingency what is referendum contingency it's money that's not left over from the referendum it's where uh bids came in lower than than expectation we spent less money on the referendum on certain spots than
030we would hoped or we we we we planned and it's a good thing because we can use that money for site work from the last referendum to do athletics it saves a great deal of money an example to do LED lights at the football field each one of those lights is about $100,000 each poll and there are four polls so you would be able to use referendum money for that because the for purpose of question in referendum allowed for us to do site upgrades that's a site upgrade what else occurs here if you do an artificial turf surface on baseball you don't miss any home season games you would be able to be be on that field you would likely do it in July or August and you'd be ready to play on it in
031the following spring the big benefit is we'll be able to be on it in spring in March rather than in May because this past year I think it was the first or second week of May where we were on baseball and softball field we didn't have much of a season there is a softball upgrade allowance there we don't own Jorgenson field that has not occurred uh there is conversation ongoing as you saw in the Free Press uh but that hasn't occurred yet but there's a softball upgrade allowed and then the funding is a potential con because it it costs more to do more you got to pay more so those are the three options and I think it was under five minutes or I was close to it okay think we' under understood that hopefully
032hopefully you know and if you have more questions you know you can always call please call one of us or or Sean and and we'll try and get a question answer for you I think a big thing to understand is it's it seems obvious that that ma'am there you have a lot of experience in the financial side with the the stuff that you've brought up things you've been involved in school financing is vastly different than what you've experienced most likely so to talk about fund 38 I would I highly encourage you I know you're going to reach I'm going to talk you absolutely and we're going to have that conversation y I will I will call you tomorrow or Friday I guess this kind of does answer the the question that Mr Sykes had as
033well of um going to referendum up with this I hugely support Community involvement and we as a board encourage everybody to come and talk about us we we beg for the community to be involved in this we want this to be the community's um to enjoy that this is you all are paying for this we want that to happen uh I hope that when you understood the financing portion of that going to referendum we wouldn't be able to do that until probably April would be the earliest and then we would miss fall or or fall so we would miss the opportunity to take advantage of the $3 million Debt Service that's falling off and then and then we've missed out on the $3 million to put towards this project so I hope that that you'd
034understand that and but there would be a time here if the board decides to move ahead with this there would be a time for Community to have a say if they don't want to move ahead with this or not and and we would listen to that there would be a 30-day period to that so but I welcome and hope that people would be involved all the way through with this process for us I hope that answered that question so the timeline moving forward and this is I think the only slide we have in touch on we're on the 11th of October here today uh we had an Athletics advisory committee that's about 35 folks we had probably 15 20 here today it's a cross-section of our coaching Community uh School staff and not school staff
035this is our special meeting here today we have an October board meeting here in 12 days this topic will be on the agenda again there are no final decisions being made here tonight we have a November board meeting if we are seeking to do this November board meeting is when we would need to have a resolution to move forward and the reason you need to have a resolution to move forward is because you have to draw up designs you have to schedule in contracts and you have to get your folks here to do the work and your equipment as well you can't do that in March and borrow the money at the same time it doesn't L out we wouldn't get to work until August and then our timeline is completely uh blown uh after
036that resolution if in fact the board chooses to do that you then publish a notice of that resolution the actual resolu ution in the AY Free Press there is a period of one month that opens at that time between November 29th and December 29th the 1 month petition period where folks can weigh in in opposition or in favor of this particular project if there is enough opposition the law says the state statute says it ends here and you must go to referendum if you want to do this that's what the law says that's a one- Monon petition window it's actually called a petition period And I think that's the last slide any other questions comments from you then I guess we'll go to the plane surface options and costs well we we we talked about
037those we can run through those items again in regards to playing surfaces um I don't want to belabor the point for folks that already have viewed the presentation but I can I think summarize the playing surfaces a couple of things there's first been a lot of conversation about the safety of having a turf field I think there's a lot of inconclusive results based on the research that's been shared with me in regards to athletic injuries there is a pretty strong case to be made for professional athletes having increased rates of lower leg injuries on turfed surfaces I don't I can't speak entirely for the foot football program but I don't know that I've heard of any four fours cutting on a dime plane linebacker and halfback if there is I must have missed the mark
038on that one no four fours no four fours okay there is also a lot of research out there about increased rates of concussion on grass surfaces though some of those results are inconclusive as well most often it's athletes coming in contact with each other when they're off the ground not because of the surface that they're playing on uh there is a greater cost to a grass surface in regards to the man hours you got to line the field you got to fertilize the field you got to mold the field it's an inordinate amount of time and you'll see here there is a 870 hour estimate uh over the course of Sports Seasons in a year versus 355 hours with a turfed surface that's 515 hours where staff can be doing something else there's a lot
039of Manpower spend spent on a grass field the last bit of research I think I can say with confidence we are sort of up against it in regards to where we live it's harder to grow grass in Northwest Wisconsin than it is to grow grass in other places in a tur surface you don't have to do that as much if you could go to the slide with the usability there is a lot of research out there about the most important impact the most important factor should be the availability of the field itself to our students athletes these are all the activities that could be used that could use a turfed surface uh and there's probably if we thought about it more there's probably other items you could drop onto this list there's a lot of
040opportunity for a longer period of time last year I maybe I spoke in just I don't know that I was inaccurate to say that we weren't on our baseball field until the first week of May I think that was accurate it had to be close to that it was pretty bad last winter and that's typical that we wouldn't get on before May 1st we we have been on in April but it's not often uh and we had a nice day today to play ball games but there's been times where we're getting close to having to shut down out outside activities in the middle of October so this expands our ability to play on that field for about two months and it gives access to a lot more activities to be on that on that field
041there is a different price point based on the different turfed surfaces we would simply get to the point where resolutions been passed to do a Turf surface or a grass surface you simply would bring in vendors and interview them and determine what you want to do maybe 500's an overestimate on grass surfaces or turf surfaces but there's a lot more than one and you would simply bring them in determine what you want to do the coaches would be part of that conversation the board certainly would our contractor and architect would be we would do our homework in order to choose the best surface we have a neighbor that's done something similar to what we're talking about here Baldwin uh they have done a Turf surface for football they've also done a Turf surface that plays
042soccer on it and they have a baseball softball complex as well and they have uh had great success down there with those particular surfaces uh we are not in any way uh a a part of a growing minority in regards to having a grass surface a lot of folks are moving towards Turf surfaces this is not a new thing anymore the more often than not it's becoming the case that you're playing on a on a surface for football not as much for baseball but we are in the time to be able to have that conversation and I say that because this port has been fiscally responsible for the better part of two decades and we are in a position we are largely a debt-free district which gives us the opportunity to even entertain these ideas
043many districts aren't having this conversation because they haven't been responsible we have questions about Turf surfaces and costs if you get into the weeds too much I'm going to get John hich back up here cuz he's our guy I don't have anything further on that you all do anything no all right we've gone through some our financing options so yep we're there so uh we have one action item and that may be well in my estimation I think it's it's time for the board to at least set a timeline in regards to when they want to make a decision you've got but one meeting left before you get to the time where you have to do a resolution and I'm not sure I mean this meeting was scheduled for you to begin to have that
044conversation what your comfortability is by no means am I telling you what to do uh but we're moving fast towards our our our end time to be able to make a decision so this would be an opportunity to begin that conversation if you see fit if not then we can move to Personnel I would just say I guess in my mind uh if you look at the chart with the bar graphs on it um in 2022 2023 we have a about a230 some thousand payment that's um dropping off we can basically do $3 million we just keep that same payment roughly you know give or take 10,000 or maybe 20,000 extra keep that $3 million and just extend that payment as part of our normal budget and and to me that's a that's a A
045no-brain or a done deal to get to four million five million um I think those are still numbers that are very doable within our budget we've talked about that in the past um the combination of us being able to afford this now and the fact that we have construction companies on site right now um provides an additional savings rather than trying to bring them back in a year two years um I don't I think now is the time to make make improvements happen to our athletic facilities and I think that other slide also we we mentioned all the sports that would use potentially use a Turf surface um we heard in our previous meeting and in other meetings a lot of classroom activities fied would use the field I think uh our high school fied
046said or middle school fied said he would use it daily I heard Ryan say Elementary Intermediate Middle School High School everybody yeah they're there all the time it would get used for sports um which is great but even uh an additional benefit would be having you know potentially fied classes and other classes taking advantage of it as well so um I don't know I I think we can make this happen in my opinion at level what level do we want to make it happen there's a lot there's a lot to look at I mean you've got a lot of a lot of different sports that are in need you know we've seen it on the on the baseball field with with the you know how level the surface is in the Outfield and the golfers
047we talked about um playability of getting on it because baseball is right away in the spring um football is uh it's a huge Crown field I'm still battling golfers I know talking to Jesse he said he took two trailer loads of dirt out into the or two and a half trailer loads of dirt the the field before the first game to fill golfer holes um we have the the perfect opportunity with the debt service and stuff coming off um we have all agreed that something needs to be done and my whole thing is that I don't want to do something to uh keep up with the Joneses I want to do something because it's the right time to do it and I think now is the right time to do something and just reiterating you
048know your comment Margie about are we putting ourselves up against the wall and at our last meeting I when in in our 1.9 recurring referendum we air marked 700,000 to go to buildings and grounds upgrade every year and even with the payment of this that still gives us a $400,000 cushion per year to do things that jump up on us you know the reason that cushion exists is because the referendum we presently undertaking you're Crossing off nearly every one of your priority ones right we have a feasibility study which is akin to what you're making reference to and the feasibility study is what determine what the referendum items that we would tackle would be and the referendum is crossing off nearly all of those so that's 750,000 yes needed not as needed as it was
049once before because we were dropping $800 $900,000 on projects that I'm hopeful with the high school Renovations we won't have to be doing that we've done heat pumps we've done cooling tow we've done H systems and we've done all of the mechanical systems at high school those are a big all big big ticket items that allows us to use that money to help pay for this project there is minimal in the budget minimal difference between a three a four million between the option one and the option option three between a $3 million borrow and a $5 million borrow in a school budget the difference is minimal again the percentage of debt that would be devoted on a yearly basis to that to that debt would be the difference between 1% and 2% of our budget
050you're talking about $200,000 in a given year over the course of 20 years that's 1% of her less than 1% of her entire budget to satisfy the needs of our athletic facilities everything that was brought up in March gets tackled with option three in it does not put the district in a hard place it does not so our next board meeting is the 20th 23rd 23rd are we talking more options with the you talked about the different levels of turf are we getting more going to have a conversation about cool and options with that that me well I think with the decision is if you choose to do Turf I think what I heard John say is you're in essence putting in contingencies you can do add options we want to do this instead of
051this the add options are simply price tags that you pick sort of in an olive cart ol way what you're doing next month if you're doing anything you're simply passing a resolution to borrow X Y and Z money you're not making choices on what level of turf or grass next month that's not happening next perfect the resolutions for a borrow that you have to do right so basically we would make the decision to borrow a certain level of money whether to borrow and how much and how much and then that you need go to the grocery store and see what we can fill the cart with that you need to decide at the October 23rd meeting so the so the resolution and all necessary legal documents can be crafted for the 28th of November or
052the 21st because the publication of the paper is why say the 28th so are we comfortable with moving ahead and then coming with our facts and figures as far as on the 23rd as to how much what level we are comfortable with I'm comfortable I sure I we pray at this time okay all right all right well um we've labored that I don't know that there'll be any action tonight on that but at least we got some of this nothing on that n so now we'll go to our Personnel uh personnel as close session oh we're going to do this and that and close yes okay so motion to go to closed Char second e all in favor say I I those were closed thank you