0012.1 call to order I will call the Paris Union High School District special board meeting to order at 2 pm. going to ask for a roll call to determine a quorum trusty Ana here thank you trusty Hall here trusty Garcia here and trusty Stafford here and trusty compos here so we have AA Lish the quum 3.1 invitation to address the Board of Trustees Clos session items only are there any public comments on close session items thank you Dr Rous thank you very much and 4.1 we're going to adjourn to close session do I have a motion to adjourn to close session move second thank you trusty Stafford and trusty Garcia please vote on the vote being taken the vote was five in favor and no zero opposed we are adjourning to close session at 2011
002pm. good evening and welcome um we're 5.1 is a special board meeting of the Paris Union High School District is reconvening at 4:31 please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance put your right hand over your heart ready begin i al to the of the United States of America and to the for stands naice thank you okay 6.1 a revision adoption ordering of the agenda February 25th 2025 do I have a motion so move thank you trusty Garcia have a second thank you trust Stafford M thank you I see no discussion please vote on a vote being taken the vote was five and favor and zero opposed 7.1 is a report out of closed session report thank you Dr R 8.1 invitation to address the board trustees on agendized items yes we do have one and
003it's for 12.4 okay thank you so we will we will deal with that when we get to that uh action item 12.4 thank you 9.1 consent calendar do I have a motion so Mo thank you thank you trusty trusty Hall and see no discussion please please vote upon the vote being taken the vote was five in favor zero opposed moving on to oral reports 10.1 special education contribution review get I think we're still in good afternoon good afternoon work prisy superintendent cabinet and all of our guests here so I have four very brief presentations for you tonight that were rescheduled or postponed from from the uh last meeting U this is working so I first wanted Dr Rous that or did you okay I just you're not that magical so I wanted to provide a
004little bit more information um first of all thank you for allowing me additional time when Mimi and I presented the first interim report uh in January um there was some critical um discussion points we needed to talk about there um but Dr arous asked if I would go a little bit deeper into the contributions and so um I wanted to do that uh tonight and so I want to start off first with this is the exact slide that you saw at first interum so this is a summary of all of our uh contributions um now what is a contribution you may be asking so we account for our general fund revenues in both unrestricted sources and restricted sources or funds so we have the unrestricted general fund and the restricted general fund um and so
005you can see our special education contribution here and so that contribution derives from a contribution from the unrestricted general fund to the restricted general fund in the area of special education and I'm going to get into the details of why that is but again this is the slide from first interim that I wanted to elaborate just a little bit more on um sometimes we will get asked the question well why do you have to make these contributions and so um that's a different reason for special education than it is for like the routine maintenance account which is Formula driven um based on total expenditures in the budget when we're talking about special education it's when the revenues that we receive from state federal and local sources do not uh meet the needs of the total
006expenditures then we have to make a contribution into that restricted um fund for special education so there we go okay so this is a summary I want to focus now just on last year which of course is our last completed year it's been fully um audited and then what we are projecting for this year for 2425 so you can see our total revenue in I'm going to focus on 23 24 first is $12.2 million our total expenditures within special education are $33 almost $3 million so there's a deficiency there when you take the revenue less the expenditures of $21 million as a result we have to make a contribution from the unrestricted general fund into special education now you may notice that those amounts are very very close but they don't um match precisely um
007and that's because there's two very small programs within um special education um that carry a fund balance and that's a low incidence Grant um used for like death and Hardon hearing um students and then our cus dollars and then that that fund balance shrinks uh when we get to 24 uh 25 but um so so that is the nature of a special education contribution um another line I want to focus your attention to is the second to last one there and this one shows the percentage of expenditures that are paid for out of that unrestricted general fund contribution so 64.0% in 2324 up to 65% in our estimates for uh this fiscal year 2425 I'm going to ask Sarah you can see um I'm not going to go over all this additional detail but I
008wanted to provide it to those of you that are interested um it's a lot of information don't worry I'm not going to go over all of this but you'll have access to this you can click on those links and so you can see in between each set of those um if Sarah would scroll all the way over and you don't need to Sarah every single special education uh funding source or pot of money that we receive is detailed out for you there um in the revenue sources um and then it also will break down the expenditures so whenever you are asked as a board member you know well gosh couldn't we do X Y or Z if we just wouldn't have to make this contribution to special ed or if we wouldn't have to trans
009sometimes we'll hear it called transfer we're transferring money um into the restricted funding source sometimes we'll even hear we're hiding it there we're not hiding it there we're transfer we're contributing it to meet our needs because we don't receive in a state federal and local sources and so um this will give you the information should you desire so to you know we have to pay all of our special education teachers we have to pay our special education par Educators for their transportation their related service providers and so forth so you'll have that detail um should you want to look at it I'm always happy to sit down with any one of you you know oneon-one and geek out on this stuff if you want even more um detail and I know um Dr Egan um
010and uh when my special director would probably love to be a part of the geeking out there so if You' go back to the presentation please all right so before I'm sorry oh yes go right ahead can we go back to that this one I know one of you I don't remember to ask me about these are there any questions about this specific slide I just want to answer all of your your questions the only question I have can can go back one slide yes when you look at the projections from 24 25 to 27 we have an increase in 3 million is that just the ongoing cost of what we have now or is that an anticipation of our our student population increasing in the special ed department or are reducing the amount of
011students we're right until the last thing so uh well actually no you were right actually on All Points because I'm going to I'm going to show you the enrollment Trends so these are our best projections and I'm going to focus in another presentation on why we do multi-year projections and why they're approximately right but they're they never can be precisely right so this is um us just like we do within the unrestricted general fund and every with 12,000 funding lines that that we deal with and so just like we do for every single one of those on a on a precise level and on a on a bigger uh level by by funding source um we are projecting what those expenditures are going to be and projecting what those revenues are going to be so
012the expenditures are projected to increase because the costs of special ed the related service providers obviously the majority of special education is salaries just like it is for the rest of the budget so those are projected um to increase because um step and column increases um uh step increases would apply for um classified M certificated column only for certificated health benefit increases the cost of Transportation uh the costs of when we send our students to non-public schools there's a lot of variables um in there interestingly enough because you mentioned the um are we projecting the population uh to decline and the pop special ed population has declined this year but our expenditures have increased pretty astronomically I'm going to get into that um in a minute did that answer your questions okay two slides so
013remember that I said we wanted to talk a little bit more about the percentage of our expenditures that come from the contribution so do not come from the revenue sources that we receive federally locally or from the state for the last two year the last year and then our projection this year between 64 and 65% this is a slide that I took from school Services of California and they got the credit there at the bottom and this is showing the Statewide distribution of special education costs by funding source and so what you can really clearly see here is that for Paris Union High School District we don't quite match up with where we're at Statewide okay so we contribute a larger portion is a number a different way of saying that uh from our unrestricted
014general fund to special education so what what what does that mean what that means is we need to take a deeper look into our special education expenses because the greater our special education expenses are the higher our contribution is is going to be correct um I want to be really clear that I am not saying that our special education students don't deserve the the services I'm not saying that what I am saying is we have to look very carefully at why our data is so different from Statewide data and do we have the processes in place to properly identify the services that they need so that we're not overidentifying are we putting our students in the least restrictive environment um and not incurring expenses that we may not otherwise necess have to um incur um
015so it really just means we have to take a deeper dive and we are doing that through the school Services study um that I know we talked about a few months ago that I think starts in oh it is February so we should be starting soon so um so we need we really need to take a a a deep dive into what our processes are for identification um of students and the services that they receive because those services are costly okay okay and then the last slide I have for you on special education and Mr compos this will go to your point um and again this is Big Picture data we have to look into the details so this is going to show you the contribution amount by f schoal year um and then the
016change in that contribution so you'll notice in that Co year that we were in distance learning the contribution actually went down um and probably don't have to explain that much our students were um home distance learning but if we look just you know those last three years the contribution percentage went up by 20.39 17.6% and 14.3 6% but if we go to the next two set of columns we can track our enrollment Trends and our enrollment is not increasing by those same rates and in fact to Mr comp's point it's actually decreasing this year yet we're spending 14.36% in a higher contribution amount so it's really just more evidence that we need to take a deeper dive into special education and again I want to repeat one more time I'm not saying our special education
017students don't deserve a proper uh education that is not what I'm saying I'm saying that we just have to with every dollar that comes in the district and goes out of the district we have to have a careful eye on that so that we're using those dollars in the most appropriate ways so that is what I have for you on special education I said these presentations would be brief so but I do um if you have any questions on special education I'm here to answer those you I got a question okay um you're showing yearly do you ever break it down like by week by month I know when I do my checkbook I got to be precise there is no you know over and stuff like that so when you're saying you have um
018it's not precise I want to know why it's not precise in more detail well I would wouldn't say it's not precise so yes we can look at our expenditures and our revenues um by month we can look by week um but but we would have to it's it's better it's not easier it's it's better and it's more accurate um to look at annual data so a full Year's worth of data when you're doing these types of highlevel comparisons I can assure you that Mimi cist our fiscal director and her team are looking at that level of detail as our special education staff so we have monthly payroll Cycles so you know if you you have to we we would be able to tell you know when paychecks are going out that precise level of detail
019um we have different payroll cycles for regular employees versus substitute employees um we have to look at our commercial process which is you know our supplies our services you know that sort of thing and then our revenue is going to come in on an abortion mon schedule that may not line up to those um so so it is better when you're analyzing big picture um but and it's very different than your checkbook right right no I understand that so because all of this goes into the uh the general fund and so that's our that's a cash flow um piece that you're getting simplifi the question yes we do have data on a monthly we do uhhuh I think that's what he's asking for okay yeah yeah we can look at that and then it will
020it will tie to this just remember when you're looking at that any other special education questions thank you well relative to the contribution thank you okay 10.2 Governor's proposals for the 2025 26 state budget and you know what excuse me I just want to make uh Dr ens I did not real I just realized that we haven't welcomed you so welcome Dr sorry for the interruption but I I was thinking about it so so thank you and welcome abort it's great to see you all right okay so wanted to provide just a very be a moving away from special education and into that we are we are are full into preparing for the budget for next year and so the governor released H next Sarah um so I did want to ask a question actually
021before I begin I have kind of a summary slide and then I have nine additional slides that kind of go into some highlights from the school Services California um presentation I can focus just on this slide if you guys want just a very brief overview on the governor's budget or I can give you some of those higher level details but I kind of wanted to leave that up up to you brief can you give us this but send us the other information so that we can read that absolutely and if we have any questions I'm sure we'll go through Dr Rous you okay thank you yeah is that that's all right with everyone yeah okay all right just because I know we had a long board meeting you know a couple of weeks ago um
022so just very quickly um the uh Governor released a preview of his proposal on January 6 the Department of Finance uh provided a briefing on January 10th uh that proposal projects a 2.43% cost of living adjustment uh for next year that's slightly lower than the legislative analyst office uh projected in its November fiscal Outlook um there is still one more data point um that will be released at the end of April before we have our final statutory Cola for next year um I've seen one calculation that that could be 2.08% but I think it's fair to say we're in the the low two to Mid two range uh for for next year um now the the proposed um K12 om uh trailer bill was released on February 1st and so that provided some more key
023details into the governor's budget proposal um and that course needs to be negotiated with the legislature through through this budget process so I will get all of the rest of the information to you but um in short um what you will see in there is that um it's really good news overall other than Cola is lower but Cola is fully funded so that is good news um the risks to the budget and you'll you'll see this um probably in many of the things you read are really the local risks to the budget and you know what do we choose to do with Cola um our fund balance that sort of thing okay questions there I think we're gonna go to the next one Sarah mve on to the next one okay 10.3 sorry budget development
024and roles and responsibilities okay and then you go to the first slide okay and then um again uh because we are right in the the throws of uh beginning our oh really done this starting in December beginning our budget process uh we thought it would be a good idea to just go over the different rules and responsibilities of the budget um process you know starting at the top with the board um all of you um and you heard some of this at the elcap midyear review at the last meeting but one of your roles is to approve a three-year and the annual update to the uh local accountability plan you as the board established policy um and sorry establish philosophy set policy of course for the budget you're reviewing and you're adopting the budget you're
025reviewing and adopting at least two interim reports um the unaudited actuals um accepting the audited Financial reports and of course ensuring the longterm fiscal stability um of the district next slide uh then we move on to the superintendent's role I took these slides by the way um adapted from a presentation of fmat did uh recently so superintendent Dr Russ Your Role providing overall leadership for the budget process um at the cabinet level at the district level with the leadership team and so forth uh direct that decision making process for for the budget the overall budget process process um he's developing and or reviewing all of the recommendations that um he is making to the board ensuring regular and complete budget monitoring and Reporting um Implement plans Implement plans goals and the budget and again according
026to the board's Direction there CBO that's me of course um and I want to make this slide and on the next one clear uh this is work that I do um along with um Mimi and others um but as we are developing the budget we're building trust and transparency you know in in the process we um are providing technical expertise in the budget development and implementation where we're really the process experts you know so to speak um uh we we collect all of the data work with all of the different departments the school sites and providing accurate and timely projections so that decisions can be made um again providing for that collection of information and data from those with budget responsibilities working hand in hand um with ed services um as they are um developing
027you know the lcap and their their other restricted or categorical programs um generating complete and meaningful budget and interim reports um simplifying complex topic that hopefully we did with a special education we will get you um the monthly as well um and then developing and maintaining long range Financial uh projections as well now the program leaders role so we have a we have different levels of program leaders in our district so we'll have you know Ed Services um both uh Joe and Shauna's uh uh level in terms of developing the LC cap they'll do that with and through you know other people uh within the district we have uh program leaders um over different programs different Grant programs and so they should be advocating for their programs they should be establishing um and support program
028goals and objectives as they're building their individual budget uh provide requested uh budget Staffing and resource data um they're collaborating with staff and with the community um as needed on the different um programs priorities their resource planning um they're interfacing sometimes with funding agencies regarding compliance um and planning um they're of course implementing the program elements they're ensuring um on a day-to-day or month-to-month basis they're effectively using those resources and minimizing carryover um the idea behind minimizing carryover it's not that carryover from one year to another um is not allowed or not permitted it's the idea behind you know today's dollar the dollars we receive this year are for this year's um students unless there's you know a good plan you know going forward for that they're monitoring their assigned budgets and programs and then
029they they are focusing on compliance and last but certainly not least especially since I think they're all sitting behind me is the School principal's roles so they need to be advocating uh for for their student needs they need to know their student data um they're collaborating um with staff and community on programs priorities resources planning um through the lcap process through the sipa process at the site levels they're providing requested budget Staffing and resource data um they are also monitoring their assigned budgets um they understand the relationship between the district office and the site budgets um they are effectively coordinating uh the use of all of the resour ources they have um at their school sites in order to achieve the school's Vision goals and the desired learning outcomes and then implementing those program elements
030um similar to the program leaders work will will do by aligning all of their budget allocations and again those learning objectives for the um student outcomes and then of course you know taking legal mandates in there so we spend a lot of time uh together um at the at the various levels having these conversations um we've we've already done you may have seen this in your weekly update we've met with as a Cabinet um as different program Leaders with all of the school sites you know getting their priorities and really just starting that budget process so we thought this presentation would be timely so that you knew what we were doing um as it relates to budget any questions there okay 10.4 Surplus property and fee generation followup one more expl okay so this is
031a followup from the study session that you had oh boy I think three three and a half weeks ago um and so I just wanted to provide a little bit different information you you WR remember Serene and you were asking me different questions and you know had I known those questions in advance um I would have put a presentation together but I just wanted to give you a little bit more um information but we do have the one um piece of surplus property that was mentioned Middle School 2 that that vacant land owned by the district was purchased in 2013 uh we purchased that um land back when the enrollment at pinotti middle school was 1457 something like that it's um under a thousand um now and then I I put a piece of serene's
032presentation in there too just to remind you of um briefly the process uh to dispose of any uh Surplus property remember her talking about a 7-Eleven committee and and um you know different options that you could have there but I wanted to just show you that visual graphic of where Middle School 2 is located um there Patriot Lane and Marrietta Road there and you'll have this presentation as well next slide um we also talked or for seren talked a little bit about leases um specifically cell towers um and I think that was one of the questions asked and I mentioned that we had two so again you'll have this presentation and you can click on these links but the district does have two licens or Le agreements they're called uh for two different cell cell
033towers La C cellular and Verizon Wireless both of those cell phone towers are located at our maintenance and operations facility over on Mets Road uh based on the provisions of those contracts for 2425 those proceeds are projected to be um $66,000 with you that you see there broken down by the uh the two different um agreements that we have and those funds are accounted for within the unrestricted um general fund okay so use of proceeds um again this is from serene's presentation just to remind us so just as she said the self Tower leases those proceeds can be used any way the board um directs and then I want to focus your attention down to the sale there and when she talked about this um disposing of for the sale of a surplus property um
034those would be used for capital outlay for cost of Maintenance of school district property so that's just a reminder there actually two more slides um so we also talked a little bit that Saturday about the Civic Center act um uh which sometimes we call use of facilities um and so that's renting our facilities to various Community organizations and the revenue that's behind that so there's four different fee categories uh free direct discounted local uh discounted rate for local Youth and then a fair rental value um I'm providing three different um sources of information for you there should you want to get a little bit deeper um into it but you've got your policy and your administrative regulation there as well as our district facility usage um manual which I did tell Adrian upstairs I would
035give her credit because she wrote a beautiful manual way back in the way back in the day and she keeps it updated so if you get a chance um look at that and if you're ever walking by upstairs let her know that she did a good job um you can go to the next slide which is probably what you really want to see is um the uh the use of those school facilities proceeds um so also as a reminder those proed seeds can only be used for Capital maintenance repair restoration and refurbishment um those funds have to be accounted for separately so that we can uh account for those expenses separately uh for the above mentioned reason so um last year is our obviously our last full school year so those proceeds were $102,000 um
036that breaks down to the revenue which is the fees collected of almost $57,000 and then expenditures Associated costs so those are um you know we have to bring in you know custodial Crews to do the setup sometimes C us um uh supervision you know sometimes they'll need a technician there if they're using you know the soundboard or something like that in the theater um so we do have some costs associated we have to pay our staff um many times to be there um but the net proceeds were $102,000 uh to date um which was like three weeks ago when I prepared this we were at $449,000 for this year so again this was intended to just be very very brief as a followup to that steady session so you could have that District specific information
037going maybe a little bit deeper than the the more Global that you that received during the stud session so happy to answer any questions but I just wanted to give you that brief Detail no thank you very much cand appreciate it okay written reports 11.1 discipline of January 2025 monthly suspension report and moving into action items 12.1 General functions resolution number 16 16 uh semic no I'm sorry it's a callon 2425 gosh truste compensation for missed meeting do I have a motion so second thank you cool thank you trusty Hall and trusty Garcia do we you see any discussion no please vote upon a vote being taken the vote was four in favor and zero opposed with one exstension we're going to move on 12.2 General functions review and discuss consulting services with Hazard young
038at TI and Associates funded to the general fund in the amount of 12,500 monthly any discussion or I'm sorry do I have a motion I apologize thank you trusty Hall second thank you trusty Garcia any discussion we discussing for the yes can you say that one more time oh what are we discussing are we discussing if we're going to keep them yeah they continued service in relationship I was under the impression we're continuing it unless we send them a letter saying we don't want them I propose we send them a letter and cut our ties we've got what we needed we started this um super tendent search we use them for something additional actually a few items in addition and at 12,000 what's this 500 a month I think we're done and you just had
039a bunch of presentation so we can all figure it out for ourselves I would encourage us to use R Coe and some of the other free services that are available and if we need Hy again we can open a p and bring them back as okay any other discussion please vote so what is a yes and what is a no what do they mean oh um trusty ster made you have to make a motion stating that you want to termin or no longer use them and then once you get a second thing you will vote on that so it will either be a yes to or okay I make a motion to terminate our current agreement with H1 thank you that's do I have a second and if we second it it's only for the
040motion to be in place so that we could vote correct not picking aside then I'll second okay thank you trusty Garcia with the second we're voting for yes to keep noce terminate no to keep yeah right now the motion is to um just one last thing if someone been explain why we need them any further i' like to hear it well the consultants for the school board not the district and that that's why I have a little bit of confusion because it's been coming up by the district you know the consultants for the board for us when we have questions that we need guidance Direction and I know when I was in the office of President I consulted them quite frequently other than just the superintendent search okay but and that's part of the contract
041we we have attorneys for that R also and um just the cost I couldn't conscientiously approve this because of the cost if we need them We R them M it's it's nothing the company did a good job uh we're happy with the results and I think that if we need them we can bring them by okay okay so yes so yes or yes to get rid of no correct okay correct yes to terminate and no to keep is that okay please vote upon the vote being taken there was a three I'm sorry three opposed and two in favor 12.3 General functions review and discuss the attorney firm retention and utilization strategic plan do I have a motion thank you trusty hold have a second thank you trusty andam um any discussion so we'll open up
042a discussion and if no one so we're moving everything over to Huff is that correct yes so so what happened um a few years back we we uh we didn't have any idea of who and what kind of litigation we were involved in we didn't know who the attorney firms were we didn't know anything that was going on um and this was I I would say two years when I when I became a board member and so we had asked questions about um different types of things that were going on there was uh the impression um that the attorneys were here for the district when they're technically they're for the board uh to use and to make sure that they're we're using them to guide us properly along the lines of uh who we using
043for um our legal services and litigation and so uh we felt felt that we were in the dark um on a lot of different things the property kind of a lot of different subjects were coming up that we really didn't have any answers um and didn't get many answers when we were there and so we had interviewed um uh orbac huff and Henderson to kind of be our general counsel they kind of explained to Tony and I um what it was that they provided and so for us to kind of streamline and make everything simple because we really didn't have we had no idea as to were at what kind of litigation um and so what we decided was we interviewed um uh orau HFF and Henderson and we had agreed that they would be
044our general counsel now we had given the previous superintendent basically instructions to go ahead and to start moving all cases current cases over to orbak and Henderson and that they would be our primary councel should anything else occur um you know during our time as a board um what what we found out that that wasn't taken care of so that directive was not taken care of and and basically what Orbach huff and Henderson were were asking was they wanted to take a look at all of our litigation all the cases that that they had and what they were going to do is they were going to take a look because some of them uh actually one of them I think we have right now uh in litigation that's going to to court um and they
045basically had told us hey we will review all the cases we will take what we think would would serve in the best interest of the district and also uh if there were case that were there that already started and were going to be close to uh being closed if it was in in the district's interest to leave them where they were then they would continue on with those uh cases so that we could be in a better position because they didn't want to start the process all over once it was about to be settled and so um that was kind of where and we had kind of made the request a couple different times to make sure that everything and all new and ongoing cases would go through orbac cuff and Henderson now it's not
046to say that we don't have other Council that we could use um and and they had let us know hey if there's a certain uh specialty that we're not an expertise in then we would recommend that you guys maybe look into other firms as well as uh they can give a recommendation or we could do our own research and figure out who we would want to take those pending cases whatever it may be um if it was specific um so that was basically kind of how it all came about and you know it's kind of been K down the road for quite a while and we were pretty clear um but now that we have you two on board it's kind of um we're bringing it back up just so everybody understands where we're at
047um I do believe most of us have met so prior to that who bringing it back up the district or us no this was brought up it is a district and that's why he says that I'm asking for directly from you Direction so if once you allow account I would like to yes absolutely um and so um one of the things that also came up uh prior to you guys' arrival our election um was that we had never met with any of our attorneys and in in the short time I think that you guys have been I think we've all had the opportunity to get to know our attorneys they've presented they've done different things um I I know that in in my conversations that I've had with other Schoolboard members at CSP and other
048places uh everybody seems to be very happy and impressed with the work that Orbach huff and Henderson does and so I was in my position I was comfortable with them you know and us bringing that that recommendation to us for them to be our general counsel so that we knew that when something's coming up they were the ones that were going to be called and that we had access to the attorneys as opposed to having you know maybe six four different firms not knowing who's doing what and what's going on it was kind of just to streamline that so that's pretty much all all that I have and so my I guess the motion that I would like to make and then um you can go ahead and discuss it is motion or Amendment oh
049it's an amendment I'm sorry the amendment would be to continue and actually have our original intent is to have them as our primary legal and then obviously should we need anything else that we can always bring other firms on board to handle whatever it is that we would like T yeah because I see some other companies up here that we were uh not utilizing and I see them on this one like I don't know if I want to say their name oh yeah yeah sorry me we could address whoever who works the most with the EMP lawyers for the school purposes we can both HR and CDO do you guys find them more helpful than what we already have how do you guys um from the HR side we've had issues with Orbach huff and
050hon taken a long time to respond to our questions and our uh cases that we have and when we're deciding whether we want to do Personnel items it is taking a long time to to get them to give us an answer uh what we found is that the two firms that are uh well we found then that the two firms that we utilized that have given us lower cost and uh quicker responses have been ller ller Henderson which is Adam Fist and Dean Adams which is from Adam Silva and MCN like they within a day or even half a day or sometimes even within an hour will have an answer and what we've been receiving from orbak and Henderson is a summary of not really a direction just a summary of what the law says
051and that's not really what we need in HR what we need is give us direction of what where we need to go so for for us it'd be nice to have those two firms open to us to complete continue utilizing for personnel issues correct and and so just to be in agreement um we've already made those changes so um those particular cases he's bringing to the attorneys that he's mentioned I just was wondering why there was a need as a board on our side why we are giving like we have a cons a cons consultant and then on top of that we have lawyers why we need both well they provide ke service obviously we got to have legal attorneys um so for legal on our end or is it for for consultant helps you
052navigate to your goal right and then you have legal who tells you if it's legal or not so either way they got to work together or you utilize them both to get come to the decision so why would we need a consultant if the lawyers can just give us Direction but they can't just give you Direction they tell you the law and also that the on the legal side they are the ones that are going to make sure that everything that we do is done properly I mean there's we have to have legal firms um and so our recommendation was to keep Orbach huff and Henderson and and again we could if there's other attorney firms that we want to engage with we can more than happily do that we just at the time we
053had had no idea who was doing what and uh it was just understand uh like on that Saturday board meeting we oversee all the expenditures and the functioning of the district and so we have to be in the know as to what's going on well we didn't feel that we were in that position and you guys might be in a different position because a lot of this stuff has kind of been ironed out or at least trying to be brought forward so that you don't have to go through what we did when we would ask a question or find out what was going on with legal um and so that was the purpose of centralizing with one and then going up access to who were currently using before we added uh all the attorney firms
054that are on here were the ones that are that are under contract with correct that are under contract with the district but um I don't know if if you utilize any other ones we only utilize those two no we had to we have to ask the district to speak to the attorneys and they would arrange a meeting for us it it was very difficult very difficult proc no we have direct access to Orbach and huff and uh to Adam from ller and mendleson the board actually has access to all the attorne whenever they want oh I didn't have that information I that's always been been the case now I of course I'm not privy to conversations you may have had you know previous superintendent or anything like that but but as Alfredo said that's any
055of the attorney firms they are I think Mr comp said us to start with are the board's you know attorneys um Alfredo asked me me to come up and just ask answer the part two I guess of the the question so um in Business Services we have not used or bo uh because we don't have a whole lot going on we're focusing on the one case Mr compos mentioned which was with the previous uh law fir starts trial Friday um the few times that that we have um I would Echo uh your comments in terms of of slow to response but you know my things are I don't I I don't have the type timelines in many cases as as you do as you do um so that's all I can add to that contract
056is there a contract that's uh on this or no here none that are attached that we see but there there we should have contracts for all of them if they're all ending dates like that sure yeah okay who brought up this item and it was me right as a superintendent and asking for direction just little bit of background when I started as a superintendent I was told by two more members that the previous superintendent was directed to transfer all the cases current cases to work and that they wanted me to do the same thing okay so transfer all the current cases to work when I did my research in terms of that I found out that in June 10 the board had approved all the previous law firms to extend their contract until June 30
057of 2025 to continue with the cases that they have right so that's why if you see in light of previous conflicting directives so the board approved the contracts of three that lers are there to finish to finalize all the cases then about November the end of October or November I was told transfer everything to orbac I said well by two more members and as always I have been sharing with everybody I that's my responsibility to follow the direction from the whole board right so that's why I brought it here to get direction from all of you either five 5 41 or 32 and you tell me what to do right because if I would have followed the direction from two more members I wouldn't be following the direction of the whole board that approve in
058June 10 is f f who have those contracts I think in June in June 10 so whatever you decide that's what I want to do but the way you're working it sounds like two board members gave you directives those were conversations of what we gave directives to so in all fairness I want to clean that up because that's not accurate to be accurate we have conversations with you I have conversation with you as president the actions we took as a board so I don't wanted to make it sound like two board members it was just it was collectively and that was a decision we made in close session and then we had those conversations with you but I don't so I just need to clean that up cuz that just doesn't sound right at all
059to be fair yeah Dr I was uh told to talk to the attorney from orbac at casby and transfer those cases like YouTu oh that conversation yes that conversation you you told me to do that I did right okay now told me to do that said in my rationale and it's always my commitment is to do what the board directs me and I will do it sir okay just give me the direction what is what you want to do because those directives were against the decision that the whole war made made in June 10 and we have the contracts unfortunately I don't know we get the copies right now and we can share it with you when it said we are extending this contract to those these law firms to handle what you have so
060far and finished them correct right because there was different information at that meeting so I remember that and then you told me anything new go to that's fine that that's not a problem because it's not a violation right of the previous board decision but once it appear to me based on the evidence right of those decisions that's why I brought it up for you to decide and whatever you decide that that's what we're going to do but I want all of you to to make the decision and not every conversation is uh similar sometimes like I said you know there's different information and I believe that's what happened to us in June uh to EXT stand up because you know if I were to remember certain names that I'm seeing here and I don't want
061to say it out loud I definitely would vote in favor of it but all right so I have another question um Mr is there one is one of the companies up here listed that we're still under contract with one that oh is more responsive to the needs of HR yeah so the ones we use are Adam Fist from ller uh mson and we also use uh Dean Adams from pams M Melly and where is that one Sil mm and they're both uh both under control but you're not able to use them until they're sent to you from or up your say well right now we we tried going through orock it was taking sometimes two to three weeks to get a response and we couldn't there's some cases we just can't wait that long and
062we just with Adam F and some of those okay so and I just want to add a couple things so one of the things that that's been a problem um within kind of of uh what's gone on in the past and is is that whether it's the former superintendent um sometimes or in the interim um decisions actions that we take are not followed through by the superintendent or Acting Superintendent and so when this was pushed through this was uh in June this was done and it was moved in consent calendar normally something like that is is is done through action and so these are some of the things that we've kind of struggled with with the staff in in in basically understanding the direction that we're giving them and and even if it's been a
063directive and a 50 vote um things haven't been carried out and that's one of the reasons for the Consultants because we have had several issues that now I mean obviously this is something now we have to have this conversation um with for transparency sake but there's been a lot of things that have been kept hidden um however you want to phrase that and these are one of those things that we're trying to move forward to make sure that we are putting ourselves in a position where we're being successful and that the will of the board is being carried out and it hasn't been in the past and so those are some of the things that uh you've kind of inherited um but those battles have been fought for the past two years and it's it's
064led a lot of different we've had a lot of uh difficult conversations um a lot of difficult decisions um sometimes we feel or the previous board felt that we weren't being given the the most transparent advice from staff and that there was unknowns and so we tried to eliminate the unknowns so that we knew who the knowns were because I can tell you right now when I look at these attorneys I don't know um ALR or I don't know what they're representing us I do know that F3 was working with Joe on some um AI stuff as well as the the current litigation that we have that's coming up uh for trial but any other attorney firms like and and we didn't know that until we brought it to the attention that we wanted to
065know what legal situations we were in because we had no idea it wasn't information that was being presented to us and so for us when we're trying to make decisions that oversee the whole structure and it getting down to the bottom to the student we didn't feel that we were being given information that was direct and straight and honest and so we had we we started to just not understand what was going on and so I did take it upon myself to investigate look at some other attorneys and then and then we did make it as a as a board decision to interview orbac Cuffin Henderson uh like I said uh trusty Stafford and I did that um once we gave our report then we shared out and the previous board uh had had chosen
066to move forward in that direction and that didn't happen and I can tell you it didn't happen like two to three times that we had to mention it it happened with the previous superintendent and then when we brought it up to Dr Aral and he did a little digging that's when we found out that those contracts even though cabinet members superintendent everybody was aware of our wishes they snuck it into the consent calendar or we're just approving everything and we didn't discuss it and so and and I don't and I don't I I I take that back I don't want to say snuck but it was put somewhere where normally it would be an action item a lot of the consent sometimes you know you might not overseer or look into all of them is
067deep because it's kind of the regular business stuff that we are going through and So that obviously leaves us with kind of a a question mark you know as to what we knew what our intent was and giving the direction but it being carried out was there was a loss in the transmission of the information and so we were just trying to kind of seal things up so that we had an understanding of where we were at yeah yes yeah thank you Mr President I want to reaffirm and confirm what Mr campus was saying because that was I experienced that as aard member a lot of P hidden we can say quotation marks right because they were there in the consent calendar to be voted at once so if that was the case does in
068the past here we have been very careful in the consent calendar and the cabinet members they know and sometimes they say oh no this one doesn't go the consent calendar complete transparency 100% transparency that is my promise to all of you that being said that's why I brought this up because said I did my di I found out that it was authorized it was through the consent Canada but it's up to you to make that U that decision right you need to reconsider that those contracts whatever you want to do but I just want to follow the decision of the board so thank you for mentioning that because so yes vote means we're carrying on the services how we have it set now and a no vote means no well that is for I'm asking
069yes is to transfer everything to yes right correct so just to make a clear vote so orbic and hop or and hop is more of a board um preferred law firm and then the other ones the cabinet has been found more helpful the ones that we have been using okay so I just don't understand why we need because Consultants not I understand but why would we need both right so I guess what I because so I I still don't know and whoever from cabinet uh you're more than welcome to to share the information so I'm gonna call for the vote I don't know from a RR I don't know what they do for us where they represent us F3 like I said I mentioned the two don't know where where and how they represent us
070um best best and creger wait that's is that FIS Adam FIS would you like us to provide a table with the cases that they are handling in what areas they are providing sure is that what you would like question so take a little liberty um for me and thank you Alfredo for sharing uh you know what the law firms that work effortlessly with him for me as you know uh we had discussed the the the priority that I use for F3 on their specific expertise for what impacts my department without a doubt and this is not a commercial student data privacy without a doubt the best for me school surveillance and type of legal considerations for compliance data privacy without a doubt there my goto uh educational technology contracts student data privacy with that and
071software agreement so we're talking about F3 that's that's my bubble for F3 and I'm I also I follow the superintendent the will of the board but since you brought up F3 I'm like that's my pitch for that part and we talked about this and that was understood okay I just we're not we're we're not separating any of them we're just dealing with this as is correct yeah well it's your decision to to separate it based on the questions that the the other trustees has been asking what is the preference from cabinet is your decision whatever you you so we already have existing contracts with these people because I can see it up here correct okay never mind so are we GNA are these current contracts going to end and then everything will be under Oran
072heal if we keep or up at that point when the we are getting close to the experation that would be recommendation you can reconsider extending that right or whatever you want to do right because contct with or or just as needed we have an open contract with all of with all of them as needed so that doesn't mean that all the cases right they go to to them if we need them we use them yeah we call them and they provide the services but you he from different kind is that called like on retainer no Rainer is is just uh it's hourly yeah we have a contract with them and then they build us and then they say conversation with superintendent house this conversation with vice president Garcia about this and they send us the
073bill and every month I I sign it I review it and I sign it so then Mr Williams can go to the app three if he needs to so okay if that is your your your decision right continue to do what we are heing to do similar to what it was approved even though it was in consent calendar I completely understand that but I just wanted to get your decision based on what we talk I'd like to call for the vote so motion on the table is for for the for you guys to like utilize orac cuff and Henderson as a primary law form for existing and future cases yes okay so we're giving them our future but we've gotten consultation from everyone that they're not as helpful as weate from I just want understand
074exactly what I'm okay so um in the review of so orbac cuff and Henderson is going to do what's in in the district's best interest so whatever current cases we have they would reveiew them and they say hey keep this one with XYZ firm then that that would be ConEd if there was one that was recently started by a different firm and they said this one we can take from here then that that those Case Files would then be transferred to them and they would be the ones now you bring up a good point so anything right now that is not an H so an HR issue is being handled by a different firm and right well there's I think you mentioned two different firms correct there there's two firms but I just I just
075want clarification that like future cases if we're sending it to one and then they send it to for HR for deadlines that that's not going to work for us we have to send it to one firm and then they'll send it to no no no so so right now we've established that HR in you you've secured whoever you've been working with um right right yeah that's that's where those are going to go so that obviously is is so if we identify if there's a weakness somewhere or or maybe there's there's deadlines or timelines that aren't working for us then obviously we have other options as well and in in these cases I I still and maybe we can get maybe it'd be a good idea to just for the the new board members and us
076just the litigation that's involved who's being used um that way we're aware you suggested yeah yeah I still call for the vote okay so yes but I would like to be very very clear on the vote because those are directions for me right so when you make the motion you can clarify what you said is is perfect HR continue to use that's what I hear okay but you have the final decision in the motion also what I hear is HR continues to use the attorneys the law firms that are providing the best service everybody every Department continues to do that I understand that but my question is what about the directive that I receive what do you want me to do with the directive of transferring all the curring cases to orac it's not reol
077by the bo do you want the current law firms to continue with their cases do you want how Mr campus was saying present the cases to or and they decide which ones to take that that's the direction that I would like to get so I can I can execute that what your wishes what you want what the board wants so so just being very clear please in terms of the directions for me to be able to understand them and execute them I have a couple of concerns um I conferred with Steve and we interviewed Orbach and H and they were fine I I have no problem with that company I I do want our um superintendent or our cabinet to have the choice of who they feel is the proper firm to handle their business
078I do not think that Orbach and huff should have a right to cherry pick from a stack of of cases well we'll take these we'll take these and and we'll scoll these over there that could be a financial impact that could be for who knows what reason I trust what's here and I trust my cabinet I trust my walking Hub it's not it's not a dig on them but I don't see giving someone a power to dictate what cases they'll take and throw the rest to well we'll we'll dish it out as we please that's not right and I I would encourage you to think about that the other thing is cost I would like to see each case who's working on what what the costs are what we have spent uh with each firm
079and I should have asked that question on a previous item because we needed to know how much we were paying that uh that firm and how much we have paid him to this point different subject so we I would still retain no rocket health I mean still not a retainer but an hourly but I keep our this and let each department use the one that they see works for them the trust issue I think with the people we have now I don't have a trust issue I trust everyone here and I think we we've solved that problem and if I felt there was something wrong and and I and I I won't say I don't trust or H I just don't see giving them that power so what would be the the motion if you
080can formalize it so you can oh give directions we have a parliamentarian also you canid first I refer to you Mr President what is what you want to proceed and if we have the parliamentarian if we want to consult what is your your decision so why don't why don't we move with with what we originally had which what the the original intent was so we move him over to to review um anything that they feel is in the best interest of um the district to continue on with that then they go ahead and do that when you say they e School orb or so you continue to propose what Mr against what what Mr St presented okay just to be very clear not a problem right Mr ster is saying do not provide that power
081to or to decide no what cases you are saying yes proposal we we could give the directive right now right and then we could come back and address it later if there's another need with another FR whatever you what isend this recommendation my recommendation would be to fulfill the will of the of the board when it was uh approved already right however if there is a decision to change it I will not not that I will support I will follow that direction right is the direction I have an option right because I can see I trust both firms right we can receive from orbac some Services some timelines that they are not met well notel that they are not met but it takes some time right I agree with that that happened to me too
082but all the Earth they're providing the services but the G of this is your decision we have what you mention trusty sta but we also have what trusty campus is saying so it's up to you to decide that and we I in cabinet we will follow what what you decide so you made a motion second wait put a current motion on the table that's what I want to confirm one more time can you repeat your motion or you have what did you take um it is recommended that the Board of Trustees utilize or back and LG as a primary law for existing cases all right I'll second Sor so yes would you say decide if they need to take over because there because there's some litigation that's been going on for a long period of
083time too and are there other avenu we could do can we expedite those cases you know you know there's everything to look at but but I I I want to agree with what you're saying that you don't want to give one company the whole authority to pick and CH cherry pick as you said I really do agree with it but I'm just trying to say it so we're done because I have called for the vote twice okay so give me your options again I'm sorry it ised that the Board of Trustees utilize orbac huff and Henderson LLP as a Primary Law Firm for existing in future cases yes okay um and I second should you call for the vote okay any further discussion just to clarify in the directions so Alfredo and the cabinet members
084they cannot select their the firms that they are working with that are comping is that what that's okay okay that's not what you said no no no yes be c yeah I just want to understand yeah that's not what he said to when he proposed the motion so can we vote yes please vote okay upon taking the vote the vote was three in favor two opposed uh 12.5 Personnel resolution number 13 uh uh 13 semicolon 2425 release no it's 1224 oh I skipped one I apologize on glasses 12.4 general elections approval uh to change campus supervisors to campus security including train and equipment and uniforms and I do believe this is where we have a public yes but um make a motion oh yes do I have a motion move so move thank you trusty
085G thank you trusty h so we have John Phillips oh can I just read this so before we we come up I'm just going to read something really quick uh individual speakers shall be allowed three minutes to address the board on each agenda or non-agenda item the board shall limit the total time for public input on each item to 20 minutes with board consent the president may increase or decrease the time allow for Public Presentation uh depending on the topic and the number of persons wishing to be heard in addition the president may take a poll of speakers for or against a particular issue and may ask that the additional person speak only if they have something new to add and also just one thing um if those of you in the audience if you
086could just please not shout anything out um regardless of your your feeling or how you feel on the on the particular topic just to not disrupt what's going on with the meeting so thank you oh Mr President before we have uh the community speak I uh I do want to make a motion on that the item because okay I believe if I'm correct this is our turn to speak okay so on item 12.4 I would like to make a motion to give direction to the district to review and negotiate the change with the bargaining unit on the re feasability to move from campus supervisors to campus security and negotiate I want to be crystal clear about that because that's my motion yeah absolutely and I understand that there was confusion but the intent because I
087brought this forward the intent is to always negotiate there's no circumventing the process just like when the unions have an agenda that or Sunshine List excuse me that they want to negotiate it has to be board approved if the district has a list it has to be board approved as well I'm just following the process I want this recorded on minute so everyone can hear the intent okay do I have a motion so now do have a second but we don't vote right so now we're going to go through the public comments then yeah discussion can you call up here please hold on they'll call your name up sorry about that Board of Trustees um cabin members Dr thank you for allowing me to this time to speak um I I I brought up uh
088partially um my concerns with this and I I wrote All of you letters I I was very transparent I told Dr AR that I I don't want to hide anything I'm not a shy person I'm I'm very forthcoming and and pretty blunt when it comes to Safety and Security concerns um my my concern is we're we're given things like stop the bleed pack right this is something that I was just handed to to keep on my bicycle that I ride this is a serious concern that that we have to keep stuff like this and that tells me that we have serious threats on our school campus right I don't I I don't have numbers in front of me but I can tell you that I know of multiple incidences on campuses um in the United
089States within uh that have had shootings stabbings people trying to come on the campus to do harm to students and staff right our purpose our job is to stop those people from doing that if we don't have the proper training or tools to do that to stop people from coming on campus to do harm to the students and staff what good are we if we don't have a vest something that could potentially stop a stab or a a bullet wound sorry a gunshot what good are we how how much better are we than anyone else that's on campus right uh when when I brought this up my idea was so that we could get the proper tools and training so that we could as I like to call it stay in the fight right somebody
090comes at us with a weapon and tries to do harm we can continue to stop that threat and possibly subdue with handcuffs or potentially use a pepper spray or something if that's something that's approved to stop a threat from coming on campus this isn't meant to be used against little Johnny on campus that says F you I'm not going to class that that's never been the intent of what we would use any of these tools or trainings for this is so that we can continue to provide the best safety and security for the students and staff on our campuses so that we can continue to to know that we're going to go home just as safe as we arrived to school in in the same manner with the you know with without having to fear
091that we're going going to be shot stabbed anything like that because the first person that that someone is going to look for when they come on the campus is somebody with a badge right somebody somebody like us and to me it it it it would mean a lot to my family to have have that peace of mind to know that you know I I've been doing this quite a while to know that I'm going to go home just as safe as I arried you know and and to know that their their students and staff sorry their students that are on campus are going to be just as safe so thank you guys I know I'm out of time but I I appreciate you guys thank you thank you thank you thank you you second right
092mhm yeah discussion I'm open that discussion oh sure um look concerned that this hasn't been thought out all the way yet and I'm not saying I'm against it but I'm not for approving this right now there's a long list there we've talked about budget concerns um I really need to hear from the principles are they for this or are they not um the people on the ground that need to pretty much make this decision because you're going to be writing the reports and you'll end up court in court C the back this stuff so number one realize we work in a environment it's about 100 say 105° in the summer time which is low we know um but wearing those vests what are we going to do with um employees when they show up without
093their vest they don't have their vest on they refuse to wear their vest they they show up without their handcuffs we're going to send them home they out of service they don't have that gear uh there's just a lot of little questions that I would ask mainly po do some poing with the the teachers and and the administrators as to it's like someone wants to hand out guns or something do we feel safe with people handling these this type of equipment with our kids I have two grandkids I use Ms miny School District I certainly they their Elementary so I would hope there but there's been problems there I would not like guns on their campus I come from the inner city I come from the I've been in every city in the hardest of
094AR places so I I just think you need to think this out really good there's some things there that uh I've had some conversations that you know you may not want to implement right away you might want to uh test it out here and see okay rather than just put handcuffs off to the whole the whole staff I mean some people may not want to tell you the truth um everybody doesn't like to ride a b so it it's it's something you really need to do in depth and and and school us on why you feel that's and each item you have to explain each item if you take some pepper spray and spray it in the hallway how many kids are you going to affect who has asthma who's going to the hospital okay
095it's it's it just needs to be more open okay can I respond to the question no no okay um so cost it it seems as though costs aren't being considered here um it's a one-time cost and I'm trying to understand it as I as I speak but I I grew up with police in my schools and I didn't like it I'll tell you I did not like it um that was LPD is it that kind to beat you they didn't had nothing in between so I I'm just I want you guys to take your time look at these lists real close not issue any equipment until someone is trained thoroughly and I I think I heard that they had to go to certain places to get trained and through certain courses and things like that
096so uh I can see myself coming around but right now tell I hear from number one the principes and the staff they're the majority of the campus the staff let's hear that I can't just hear a campus super well the staff says well if Jason Miller's here he could speak more but please don't speak for someone else let's see how everybody else feels I feel that a anything to be used as a weapon actually I I had some ideas I thought about this when this came up because I I I bought a device that could puncture a window cut a seat belt or um and a flashlight and an emergency light all in one I think I showed it to you yeah it was it was a good device I thought and I'm concerned about
097overburdening is how many things you going to carry what are you going to what are you going off to war or something it's not necessary to be so um visual let's say that that makes some people very uncomfortable I'm 65 years old I still feel uncomfortable when the police pull me over or I even have to talk to a police officer our SRO say greatest in our deputies but I've grown up a different way so my opinion is different so I implore you to Let's table this for now let's go over each item item by item and make sure we know what we're doing and lawsuits can be a H problem okay did you want to speak I understand where you're coming from you make some valid points um but the cost there's no cost
098high enough that's going to protect our students teachers and staff emotional um so protecting our students is why I ran and safety in our schools has to go it's got to be at the highest level um so providing this stuff and it's a negotiation it we didn't we're not saying that all it's going to um be approved right it's just going to it's them for them to negotiate some might be taken away some might not and they might elect someone hey look you you can't we're not going to give you the spray because maybe you're not ready for it you know because they got to go through training um and maybe they didn't pass the training maybe their mindset is not right I don't know but all that stuff I feel is going to be
099handled out during that training process uh we're looking at a onetime shot and you know you mentioned what if they forget this what if they forget that well where I work if you forget your uh your items that you're supposed to your tool that you need to work you got to go back home and come back we agree on that right so um I totally agree what you're saying but at the same point what he was saying is I want him to go back home to his family a t-shirt a jacket is not going to protect him from a knife wound or some type of a u gunshot and yes some people do get scared because there's an officer there but I'm sure it's probably a small amount versus the amount of people that seen
100this officer here I feel more protected you know that they are around are we're here to protect our students and if they're safe if they feel safe they're going to do better in school if our teachers and Staff feel safe they're going to be better at teaching their uh assignments their job it's just like going into any other Workforce if you walk and you're not safe you're not going to have a good outcome on your production so again I I agree with what you're saying it all has to be processed and uh the training has to be on point the right people have to be at the right uh spot the right time in the right places with the uh the equipment and maybe they I don't want to wear that I don't want to
101have this that's fine and then we deal with that as that comes so that's what I have to say um I'm going to talk about it it might be a little bit might be long but I also opened it up to questions from this board um I just want to make a couple comments and to some of the statements you make uh you're asking for principal's opinion I'm going to 100% disagree with that because they're not the experts in security that man over there is his name is John Hannon he's the expert he's been doing it for many many years please be kind don't talk down to me I'm not trying to talk down I'm just highlighting the fact that he's the expert um uniform forms and tools that are required we all everybody who
102wears a uniform knows they have to wear the uniform that's part of the uniform but again this action item is pretty clear we're giving the district direction to negotiate we're not saying everybody is going to just do x y and z um we're definitely not handing out guns pepper spray is a defense defensive tool um I like police schools I'm going to be honest I do you know it's just how they're managed and just like every position everybody's managed a certain way um the the last thing that really got my attention you said it's not like we're going off to war um I've been in a stabbing in a school I've been involved in a shooting in a school and where I work and I've been there 25 years and I survived and we a
103lot of us have these same conversations we carry handcuffs the only way to get those handcuffs is you go through extensive training and it's just not here go ahead put it on it's it's nothing like that it's pretty intense and uh they're all modulars of the police academy for all these tools and if the standard is that high for the police officer it should be for anyone who's caring use tools and these are the critical because this world is changing on us it's not how it used to be in some neighborhoods it's really good in some neighborhoods it's really bad it's it I hear this concept and and I hope this resonates it's it's better to have a fire extinguisher handy and not need it than not have it and need it and it's kind
104of the same thing just two different elements you know we're trying to protect everybody students staff community and a while back I've had these conversations uh with Mr Hannon and I even told him I can't remember the last time some of our officers uh put handcuffs on students it's more of outside threats than it is inside internal threats and that's something to think about you know not everybody's going to be pleased not everybody's going to be pleased I wasn't pleased when we were given these tools to carry ourselves um and we're just authorizing them to negotiate what they decide is what's going to come back to us and we'll find out what they accept or not decline you know I think I think in reality I I definitely definitely think principles are experts in education
105not in safety and I know that's harsh but it's reality for me because I live it every single day even today um I work in the field the Safety and Security that I might have a strict requirement on how to do my job when to use Force when not to use force and an administrator might say I don't agree with that then we have to go to my supervisor who's the expert who's also a chief of police and say well you follow Pro protocol policy this is how it is or you didn't follow and then that'll be addressed accordingly whether they're right or wrong but I do open to questions I don't have a problem answering any questions and I also would like Mr hanon if if he wants to say anything I think we
106should invite him up here as well confusing say that again I don't understand when you say you don't want the principles everything ends up in the principal's hands the principal other than the fire or police or the commander of that site they can't be questioned did the the reports have to go to there's a whole Ed Code system you can't just bypass and say well here's security now we'll just take over and we got it no well to be fair principles would handle the discipline correct and so if there something criminal law enforcement gets involved if this is a situation where let's just talk handcuffs for a second usually to get to that phase to apply handcuffs there has to be some type of violence right whether the aggressor is AG uh coming after you
107or they won't stop assaulting battering someone right that's typical right so then at what point would you not use handcuffs hey get off get off that person and they won't stop and they're continue it and next thing you know you have excessive amount of blood coming out then what do you do do you just keep telling them to stop or do you apply handc hey I have to stop that threat it it just there's so many different scenarios where they could be used and where you could avoid them and that's what the training is about it helps you make that that split-second decision I believe in training that's the only way they'll get these tools but I I do believe the principles other really command schools I anyway that's would you like to share your
108thoughts are so you know I think um couple things I don't think that this decision when it when it's ultimately executed uh through the negotiation process I'm pretty sure the principles will have a say I'm pretty sure uh campus security I'm pretty sure everybody involved the community will have a say um you know I I think it's a little naive to say that this wasn't thought out I mean there's there's tons of equipment here and I don't think that just comes out of the air um I do believe that there's been thought put behind this um I think that what what's being proposed today is to move forward is to move forward in the negotiation process to see how we can resolve this for this doesn't just involve again when you look at the overarching
109picture we are making decisions that are going to affect parents that are going to affect students staff administrators everybody and I think as a collective group um we'll come to the right decision to see what equipment we feel is necessary based on the negot iation process um I I value John's uh opinion um to me it it's one of those things where you know we have to consider you know the safety of everybody and um obviously throughout the negotiation process I think people will have the opportunity to say hey that's not for me or someone will say hey that's exactly what I would feel and and understand this uh anybody who who accepts whatever the terms are they're willingly accepting it the responsibility that comes with with it um we can't predict the future because
110we just can't but I know for me um and I'm kind of along with trusty Hall you know I want I think when we first started we made a a huge investment and commitment for the safety of our students and staff and I I I think this is the next tier and the next level in order to do that and so for me I want I want to ensure to the community that hey we want to do what's best because any incident that happens we want it minimized and we want to be able to have the tools and resources and the decision makers I I trust our site administrators are going to are going to make the right decisions and I'm pretty sure that there's going to be multiple things going on now we do
111understand that stuff will happen in seconds and you know depending on the location and our communication all those decisions are going to happen fast and so uh that being said I I I don't understand how the whole role goes because I'm not in that um but I do trust that trusty Garcia does understand that um but I also understand that the role of the principle and and how that's all going to lay out and I think at the end of the day we'll be able to come up with with a comprehensive um Solution that's going to ensure the safety of everybody and so that when we when something does happen we're able to mitigate it with minimal I don't want to say casualty minimal loss or Damage Done uh on site and so I mean
112I I these are the the kind of conversations that are difficult um at the same time I do understand that you know we have students and parents who don't send their children to some of our school sites because they feel they're not safe and and if we don't have that conversation or if we're thinking that that doesn't exist then we're in a fairyland we're not dealing with the reality and and maybe maybe we do start to poll to see why kids do not attend certain schools why are they transferring out and and it is an issue it might not be an issue that we talk about openly and publicly a lot about but it's an issue it's in the community it's out there and so the only way to start to get there is I
113believe is is moving this forward and I trust the negotiation process I trust our people in HR I trust our bargaining units um I I trust that their experience they're going to come together and figure out something that is is going to be worthy and and again when it comes to the cost hey it is what it is you know what I mean because the cost of safety I mean who who wants to be the one person where you know something was cut or short and then now that's the the end result and I don't ever want to even think of that um but I think the best way to avoid that is prevention and preparedness and just to make sure that we're moving forward we're doing everything we can and ultimately um I think
114the district will will Ben all the district will benefit on the decision so thank you can I would you like to hear my opinion sure yes definitely the safety of our students and our staff is our top priority and uh this is a could be a big step in ensuring that but it's such a huge step that and I can see what you mention trust RC trusty campus trusty Hall also what trusty for me just thinking out loud as a member of this community is having two kids who graduated from Paris High School and transferring to the time that they were in school if you thought yes an idea right if you consider a doing a a survey with our parents the ones who are directly affected good how do they feel about this uh
115extra security enhancing the safety of our students through this through this way I think their input would be really important even though board members are elected by the whole Community but uh the ones who have a direct interest right are the parents of of the students just to get a feeling same thing with the campus supervisors the rest of the campus supervisors how they feel the rest of the staff right to make this a really A A Part a democratic decision not that you are the elected officials and this Democratic right but due to the sensitivity of of this decision and looking at and listening to to the opinions what what you have yes have you thought about it making maybe having the surve getting the input in some way whatever way you think necessarily
116may be a survey having a presentation of how that is going to look like even after it's negotiated or before it's negotiated you know just to be completely transparency transparent in our community has a a a say right on that yes my opinion have you thought the question is have you thought about that do you consider that could be a possibility how you feel about getting inut from the staff from from everybody right because I we that safety is it's really important and I agree with you TR the home right that there is no price to ensure the safety of of our students and our staff but how the could the community feel about that I think that maybe something important just for your consideration thank you thank you Dr Rous um you know with
117us agreeing to allow the district and the unions to negotiate this when big thing that comes out of it and you kind of touched on it about uh people feeling safe sending their students to school is a a higher level of professionalism you know I'm I'm not going to say it publicly but there are schools where we have some group saying hey you can't touch my kids you can't break up fights you're not security then you have some that say why didn't you break up the fight so you know that's a mixed message and that's not fair and I think uh to go back on the comment where I made about the principles of course their input is valuable but I don't believe that we should how do I word this that we should completely
118put only the truste to principles they're experts in education just like law enforcement is experts in law enforcement and those are two different roles I've learned that over the years you know I had a a chief of security who was a foreign police officer and his wife in education and those worlds never came together they were always conflicting and that's the hard part to understand and people don't want to say it but no no I have a say so because I have a title it's not about that it's about providing the services and I'm 100% in favor of them negotiating now what they come out of it that's because they negotiate it and I think everybody needs to understand they are going to decide the direction they go before we go and say how do
119you feel about this in regards to the tools they haven't negotiated we don't even know the direction going yet so how can we tell the public that and also we are elected officials to speak up on our about our areas where our trustee areas so yes we have thought about it yes I've had numerous conversations I in fact I don't know many people that I haven't had this conversation with and I think only two people that I've talked to to be fair didn't didn't like it because they thought oh why are we to put police in school they seen some of the things that happened where I work I'm not against it you know law enforcement protecting our kids it's important this world is changing serious things happen you can't predict bad behavior one person
120could be you know under the influence of some heavy duty drugs and we can't control them what do we do stop stop and they still attack and hurt people we can't we can't do that we have to be proactive and take care of our kids and our students and staff I'm talking too much okay one last comment you know I worked for the district for about 9 and 1/2 years and uh I guess about seven of those years I opened Heritage High School with Grant Bennett I ran custodial and security at the same time now they don't even do that they run the pl supervisor does nothing hardly in my eyes but um I'm just being brutally honest I've run it I I've commanded men 20 years in the fire department 16 as a captain
121I know people that how to control people we had fights at Heritage all the time I was in the hallway wrestling kids that were wrestlers I could tell you who the other teacher was me and him had and and we managed to control things there's ways that kids can get hold of things and turn them into weapons and I would hate to see I know you have standards that you're going to adhere to and you say well you're not the right guy for handc so you're not the right guy for pepper spray well the pepper spray has no feelings once it's sprayed it's anybody in that H is going to be affected someone could die from that from asthma it would kill my daughter-in-law she has bad asthma so be aware of let the Sorrows
122do is you let us honor them don't try to be more than what you can do I think a good question a good comment I heard the other day was what is the span of control and at what point is one security if you hadn't called for backup those kids if they decided to jump in not going to take those things from him and use them on great question it's know I've worked in the position I know you have to so I'm just trying to qualify myself don't let me um don't let me fool you that you think I don't know okay cuz I know and I am trying to just engage you to look at that list line by line and really have a good conversation about it I took my time and and
123had Aver ation uh with the head of our head of security Mr Han I just didn't come in here just because I don't like something uh it's the right way to go and I I I think that I'm not being wishy-washy I I don't want those things unless they're properly from down from the budget to the to the effect to the harm to the good till it's all put on the table not being I feel actually I feel like this item was snuck on the agenda I wasn't told it was here and we want to get down the real basic here this item was snuck on the agenda we didn't have an information item that explain this to us so who put it here so why didn't you tell the rest of the board we've
124had many conversations superintendent but this item on this agenda why was the board not told because we can't talk about action items you know that as a board you go through the super so so with all due respect um this item was on last month's agenda and so if it wasn't read you know kind of like I'll admit you know on the consent calendar and we didn't catch that that's I understood that it was but we never finished the meeting but the point is the information was there and so you know coming to today it's the second time it's been on the agenda first time it didn't get spoken to but um in in reviewing you know last months I knew it was on the agenda and so all I'm saying is it's not like
125it was snuck in there because it was what was it on the other agenda what item was it information no it was an action still an action same thing right same thing well same thing but it's how you changing it action is action right right okay but but you can have you can have a done with it my my line is no you're not listening no interested so all right all of us have a point of view yep you got two ganged up on one and you're not listening so I'm done I'll this fair enough okay um so seeing no further discussion please vote upon the vote being taken the vote was four in favor one opposed and moving on to 12 5 the resolution number 13 colum [Music] 24-25 release and a reassignment of
126administrative certificated employees do I have a motion so move thank you trusty G second second thank you trusty Anaya and see seeing no discussion please vote thank you 12.6 Personnel resolution number 15 col 24-25 elimination uh Slash discontinuation and layoff of certain classified management employee for the 2025 2026 school year do I have a motion still move thank you trusty Hall do have a second thank you trusty Stafford seeing no discussion please vote upon a vote being taken the vote was five in favor zero opposed 12.7 business approval for filing three form j-13 a request request for allowance of attendance due to emergency conditions do I have a motion so move thank you trusty Garcia second thank you trusty Hall seeing no discussion please vote 12.8 oh I'm sorry upon the vote being taken uh
127the vote was five in favor zero posos 12.8 business selection of an independent auditor with no fiscal impact uh do I have a motion so we're supposed to oh I'm sorry um trusty Garcia on the on the motion have a second thank you trusty okay uh discussion so we're supposed to select one correct yes so then we have to we can have a discussion and do we make a motion to say one person because we have four up here or one group of two motion yeah I mean I don't know if anybody wants to to recommend somebody um these are the people that were here last yes are all four still option yes we have to pick one so I'll start um when I was looking at the the different hearing the presentations and also
128uh seeing the different options um cwdl was the one that I was leaning forward for a couple different reasons um they they did give us a discounted rate um but more importantly than that when I was looking at who who we were going to have authorization to work with there was two uh when I looked at everybody else's Personnel um we did have two people from within cwdl that were CF I think it's certified fraud experts had had um I don't know if it's the title or the certificate so they were CPAs uh but as well as having the cfes now every other um proposal that I saw only carried one and so in reviewing all their different processes um for me when I looked at CDW they had uh a layering of the process
129kind of going through the Personnel to make sure that when everything's said and done that it was done complete and and not to say that the other ones weren't it's just the way that I saw their preparation and how they did it and then whose eyes were going to kind of go through and make sure you know it might start with the initial staff and then it gets moved on uh to this CPA who's a CFE uh authorized they they pass it down the road uh someone else who also another CPA will take a look at it and then um and I believe that person also had a CFE and then uh the final review was was another person I forgot who the name was um and then they kind of gave it um final
130approval as to okay everything's set in motion we' we've checked everything out everything looks good so for me in in looking at all the different processes and whose eyes and would be going through it what they were offering us for me I felt they were the ones that were um I I think would serve us for our interests best and they were I think the last ones to present but that's that's my position on on why I would have chosen or selected that group so obviously we have to either we can go through or anybody else has something something else that they saw in their research and in reviewing all the information please share it because obviously know we do have to make a decision who's currently is Bailey I think Bailey you're and and
131I don't know if it if it makes a difference but I my number two was negro negro so is there is there any other so if there's another discussion maybe you should make a motion well I I motion uh that we select cwdl um unless there's any other discussion to someone else to oppose or bring another group forward to have that I had the same kind of findings that you did on uh cwl um even in the short presentation that they got uh just seemed to be on top of things and then looking at what they had what they had to offer um it just seemed more than what the other ones did in my opinion well and you bring up another Point um they were well versed in in the public sector private corporate
132sector um and so and obviously within the school district system so that wasn't you just reminded me of that when I was looking through there information um now I will say this they weren't the biggest uh there were other firms that were larger had a lot larger of a clientele I don't necessarily like going with the smallest maybe you know when I'm looking at different things I'm kind of looking for them to cater to us so that we're not just a small needle in a hay stack but they're they're midsize because we do want someone who has obviously experience um but maybe not on the starting end or you know with a smaller group of a client list so that kind of all went into me proposing so now you know if if no one
133has any other information to bring forward or another firm then I would motion that uh we select cwdl um as our independent auditor do I have a second or I'm sorry oh yeah is there a second I'll second it okay thank you trusty Hall please vote on a vote being taken the vote was 5 Z five uh in favor and zero opposed informational items 13.1 curriculum revised English elective course critical science fiction and the future 13.2 business revolving cash report January [Applause] 2025 and 14.1 adjournment uh the special board meeting of the board of cheses for February 25 2025 do I have a motion so move thank you trusty Garcia have a second second thank you trusty Ania see no discussion please vote on a vote being taken the vote was five in favor zero
134opposed and the meeting is adjourned at is it 626 yes 626