CT Educator Preparation and Certification Board Special Meeting - January 28, 2026

00121d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/655-0 Great. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/678-0 Doctor Richie said she will not be able to attend, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/678-1 but she'll try her best to come in a little bit later. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/678-2 I think she's dealing with something locally. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/681-0 Let's see. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/687-0 Was Margaret able to come back in? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/709-0 Hi, Hamish. Karen, can you adjust hamish's settings so that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/709-1 he's able to turn on his video and his microphone? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/714-0 Tiffany. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/721-0 Shannon is here as well. Hi, Shannon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/724-0 Afternoon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/725-0 Good afternoon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/731-0 Right. Jen Delaney? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/736-0 So that she will not be able to attend today. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/749-0 Jenny Graves should be coming in in a bit, but I think we have. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/755-0 12345. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/780-0 6789 So there's nine of us here, so we can go ahead and get the meeting 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/780-1 started. And then as people kind of filter

002in, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/780-2 if there's anybody, once we've started the meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/797-0 In the waiting room area that needs their settings adjusted, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/797-1 we'll go ahead and do that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/801-0 Karen, can you adjust? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/805-0 Hamish's camera. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/809-0 It still shows that he can't turn it on. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/810-0 Store. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/813-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/817-0 All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/832-0 So we'll go ahead and call this meeting to order at 3:46 PM on Wednesday. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/838-0 Thank you for coming together for the special meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/862-0 So we can wrap up our legislative items and any regulation items and move those 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/862-1 forward to the February LPDC in time to hit their agenda. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/864-0 So thank you all. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/875-0 I know that everybody's really busy, especially with all the things happening 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/875-1 with the weather lately. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/882-0 And trying to catch up from all of

003those weather days. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/893-0 Will say, so we're going to go ahead and do the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/893-1 roll call. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/895-0 All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/904-0 Cynthia Ritchie is not here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/906-0 Kristen de Sega. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/909-0 Elsa Batista. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/910-0 Here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/914-0 Tiffany cowett. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/916-0 She's not here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/919-0 Jennifer Delaney. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/921-0 Also not here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/927-0 Berillard fitzsimons. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/931-0 Here. Hello everyone. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/932-0 Aye. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/936-0 Hello, Jenny graves. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/940-0 Don't see her on yet. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/945-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/949-0 Margaret Gustafson. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/958-0 Margaret had signed off and was going to sign back on. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/962-0 She was having trouble with her feet, I think. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/968-0 OK, doctor Mel Horton. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/973-0 Here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/974-0 Hey, miss McPhail. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/976-0 Here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/979-0 Fan of Miramar. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/984-0 Patrice McCarthy. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/985-0 Here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/990-0 Doctor Catherine Rowe. Is she here yet? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/993-0 Not yet. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/995-0 Bob sartoris. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/996-0 Here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1005-0 And DC Cynthia Sonya is

004elsewhere today. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1010-0 So she is not present, OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1015-0 OK. And I am here as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1025-0 I am Jen Rodriguez. Of course, the chair is here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1030-0 My job? You're a second year teacher. Like I have to do these things. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1034-0 But again it's like. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1048-0 Jenny Graves is here as well. I think she just signed in. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1048-1 So we see her on as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1050-0 OK. Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1055-0 All right, great. Thank you everybody. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1085-0 We're gonna go ahead and get started on the agenda, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1085-1 so we're not gonna approve the minutes until February where we will approve the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1085-2 January 12th as well as the January 26th minutes at that time in one quick swoop. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1092-0 I do see that Mel has her hand up theirs or something. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1106-0 Yes, I just wanted

005to ask if Catherine, does it show up? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1120-0 Can we agree that Dorothea is her alternate OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1135-0 Yes. So if in the absence if their alternate 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1135-1 is here, then they would be the alternate correct. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1133-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1135-2 So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1136-0 Great. Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1142-0 Yes, thank you for that question. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1182-0 All right, public participation, you received the public participation we 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1182-1 received, I believe 4 items. Two of them were from Mr. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1182-2 Trombley in regards to doctor Ritchie's proposal. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1182-3 And then I believe we had two math related items as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1186-0 So those are for your consideration will be cut. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1206-0 Part as of the public record filed with Karen, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1206-1 we will not be going over Doctor Richie's proposal today. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1212-0 That will take more time and conversation. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1216-0 That'll be the

006February 1. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1245-0 The purpose of this meeting today is really for us to get through the items 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1245-1 that we didn't get to complete at the last meeting in terms of action items. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1245-2 So I want to kind of honor everybody's time and get right to that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1247-0 Is there any questions on that? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1285-0 All right, so we may have a little bit of 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1285-1 flexibility in the agenda in terms of which ones we do. First, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1285-2 I think we should go directly into the legislative items that we have the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1285-3 initial certification via alternate route, the removing of praxis core and then 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1285-4 maybe the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1311-0 Initial to professional pathway and then the regulations returned to the ad hoc 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1311-1 for further review, if that makes sense for everybody. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1335-0 All right, Kristen, if

007you want to go ahead and bring up the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1335-1 item, do you want to present it so you can kind 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1335-2 of go through it fairly quickly and have those conversations? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1344-0 Yes, give me one second to pull it up. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1345-0 OK, sure. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1354-0 Well, she's doing that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1358-0 Welcome to our Ste. friends. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1367-0 Thank you as always for helping to support this work. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1371-0 Karen Margaret is also online now. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1374-0 She was able to get. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1375-0 In. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1380-0 Doctor Rose also araj. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1381-0 OK, perfect. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1395-0 Alright, so this is where we left off at our last 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1395-1 board meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1429-0 This was a discussion about the alternate route to certification programs and the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1429-1 need to keep the temporary 90 day certificate because one of the problems 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1429-2 in Public Act 2441 is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1440-0

008It said essentially that as long as you complete an alternate route program, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1440-1 then you get an initial certification. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1448-0 However, that's not our current practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1450-0 Our current practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1477-0 Practice is if you complete an alternate route program and then hold a 90 day 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1477-1 certificate, then your Superintendent signs off and 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1477-2 then you get initially certified. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1492-0 So this language in red was my first draft and this is the one we discussed 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1492-1 last. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1516-0 Since then, I was able to talk to our lawyer and, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1516-1 you know, to Jen Delaney's point. She was like, well, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1516-2 don't we want to write this more flexibly in case? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1519-0 Later alternate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1553-0 Fruit programs don't need a 90 day cert if the 90 day program, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1553-1 or if the alternate route to certification program

009already has built 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1553-2 into it. The student teaching then would a 90 day 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1553-3 certificate be necessary? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1557-0 So in red, I'm going to put in. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1571-0 One other draft, so I was asking our lawyer. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1571-1 Does the wording as appropriate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1585-0 Cover what Jennifer's concern was, you know, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1585-1 does it give that flexibility and instead? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1591-0 Right. Instead, we were looking at this language. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1636-0 What it might read now is successful completion of an alternate route to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1636-1 certification program pursuant to these sections. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1636-2 Successful student teaching under a temporary 90 day certificate or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1636-3 successful completion of student teaching as part of their alternate routes to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1636-4 certification program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1649-0 I think that gives the flexibility that Jennifer was really looking for, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1649-1 so that if in the future. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1655-0 An alternate route

010to certification program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1693-0 Does include student teaching that they don't have to go through the hoops of the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1693-1 90 day certificate, but also recognize that right now you do 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1693-2 need the temporary 90 day certificate because you haven't completed student 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1693-3 teaching right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1719-0 So I'd like to move that this language highlighted in blue is what we move 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1719-1 forward with, but I'd be happy to have hear any 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1719-2 discussion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1725-0 Or what people's thoughts are before I make any motions? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1734-0 Discussion. All right, I see julianne's hand up. Go ahead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1744-0 My question I'm actually gonna put to Lauren. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1766-0 So my question is, should say successful teaching under a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1766-1 temporary nine day certificate or successful completion of appropriate 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1766-2 student teaching? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1790-0 Because you can do two weeks of student teaching,

01121d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1790-1 and that's again when we say student teaching, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1790-2 we mean whatever's in program approval, which currently is 10 weeks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1809-0 We don't know where that's going to be, so I don't know if we wanna say 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1803-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1809-1 appropriate student teaching or. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1817-0 Something to clarify what we mean by student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1819-0 Right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1821-0 Right, well, I think. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1834-0 I I think it's even more complicated question. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1840-0 So at a minimum, I would agree with Julianne. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1856-0 But I think if we're talking about can you just scroll up again to the beginning? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1843-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1865-0 Yes, you mad. A little hole, yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1863-0 Can youjust to like to before the one? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1870-0 Yeah, I just want, OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1878-0 So the statement. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1881-0 So one of the following pathways. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1885-0 Yep, so your work so.

01221d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1935-0 So either you complete your EPP approved by the State Board of Education, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1935-1 you complete your alternate route to certification, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1935-2 and either do your student teaching within that program or serve under your 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1935-3 temporary 90 day certification, or you're an educator from another state 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1935-4 that meets the other. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1946-0 You know, transferring your certificate over 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1946-1 getting a new certificate here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1971-0 But the other complicating factor, and I don't know if it belongs here or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1971-1 someplace else, so it says successful completion of an 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1971-2 alternate route certification program pursuant to section. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/1984-0 And successful teaching under temporary 90 day certificate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2007-0 It should say or ten months successful teaching under the Resident Educator 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2007-1 Certificate. Because remember we have alternate route 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2007-2 programs that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2021-0 Lead to the temporary 90 day. We

013also have the correct teacher 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2015-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2021-1 residency. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2044-0 Alternate route program that does not lead to a temporary 90 day. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2044-1 Those candidates serve for 10 months under the Resident Educator Certificate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2085-0 We don't currently have an alternate route program that has a traditional 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2085-1 student teaching, so if that third bucket, if you will a successful completion of an 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2085-2 alternate route to certification program, that first part the pathways with an 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2085-3 alternate route are either a program that's been approved to go. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2108-0 To the temporary 90 day or a program that's been approved to go to the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2108-1 Resident Educator Certificate and they serve under that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2118-0 So to answer julianne's question, I'm not quite sure. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2153-0 Why you would keep any student teach like traditional student teaching language in 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2153-1 there unless

014you want to keep the possibility that an EPP develops an 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2153-2 alternate route program that contains a traditional student teaching semester in 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2153-3 it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2163-0 The current regulations define it as 10 weeks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2157-0 That's exactly. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2176-0 That's part of the thing that's up for grabs, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2176-1 as as everyone looks to the regulation. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2188-0 So if you want to have that as an option that a current alternate route could kind 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2188-1 of. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2197-0 Do a traditional student teaching, then keep that third part. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2213-0 But I would consider adding the Resident Educator certificate to that section. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2214-0 Yeah. And just to like. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2255-0 Exactly. So that's what the new language that you 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2255-1 know, Jennifer had brought up last time was 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2255-2 really concerned with was she was worried that if it just said that you had

015to go 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2239-0 Sure. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2255-3 to the temporary 90 day certification, what if her program? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2254-0 Mm-hmm. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2262-0 Does already complete student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2272-0 Do they then have to still do the temporary 90 day? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2285-0 And just a little history of like, where this initial conversation came from. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2302-0 Was that I forget who, but someone from the certification office 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2302-1 had pointed out that the wording of the law in this section. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2330-0 Makes it look like as soon as you finish arc or Charter Oak that now you get an 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2330-1 initial certificate which is not which is not the current practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2340-0 Right, so this is to clean that up. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2336-0 So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2373-0 I would consider adding the Resident Educator certificate, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2373-1 but I will add you know, I think part of the complexity is 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2373-2

016cleaning this up is is aligning with the current regulations that are set to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2373-3 sunset July 1, 2026. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2389-0 So like every aspect of how a program is constructed is in the question mark 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2389-1 category right now. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2398-0 And that's some of the work that that core working group is going to be doing. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2405-0 And the endorsement specific working groups. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2421-0 And whether or not Connecticut wants to go in a direction where traditional 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2421-1 programs have one set of requirements and alternate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2447-0 Root providers have another set of requirements like. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2447-1 It just unfortunately like it does open up the larger sort of philosophical 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2447-2 conversations that that the board hasn't yet engaged in. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2466-0 I did see that Patrice's hand was up and then Mel's hand was up and they put them 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2453-0 Right.

01721d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2466-1 down. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2476-0 I just want to make sure that if there's anything that they wanted to say, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2476-1 they had an opportunity to. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2488-0 All right, Julianne. Oh, sorry, Patrice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2492-0 Yeah, I I would just. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2490-0 Go ahead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2500-0 I would just my only observation is that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2536-0 This is not my area of expertise, so I'm not going to opine on the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2536-1 specifics of it, but I am a little concerned that this is 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2536-2 language that we're seeing today for the first time. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2536-3 And I just want to make sure that the people that do have the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2544-0 Expertise are comfortable with where we end up. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2549-0 Valid point. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2553-0 Because I'm relying on them. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2556-0 Thank you. Yes, thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2560-0 Julianne. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2572-0 I just wanted to make a suggestion for consideration. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2589-0

018What if we worded it as successful completion of an alternate route to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2589-1 certification program? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2609-0 Including any any student teaching, residency or or experience required by 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2609-1 the program or so. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2629-0 That way it's 'cause there's all different ways that you might fulfill 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2629-1 that it might be resident educator. It might be a a temporary night, a day. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2633-0 Maybe it'll be actual student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2634-0 You know. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2636-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2657-0 Or so any soon teaching residency or or other classroom experience required by 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2657-1 the program, or something like that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2676-0 That way. That way it's it's general enough that it 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2676-1 it can flex with any programs that might come down the Pike. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2680-0 But it also can cover our current ones. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2686-0 Thank you for that suggestion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2690-0 All right, Doctor Ro. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2699-0

019Yeah. Thanks, Julianne. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2713-0 I agree with you and maybe we can just say something more generic at the end. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2714-0 Like put it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2723-0 You know, whatever the recommended or required 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2723-1 clinical. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2755-0 Experience is, you know, because I think that if the goal is to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2755-1 modernize and become more flexible, we may not be using a traditional student 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2755-2 teaching model, but there might be something else. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2755-3 So having some kind of a generic. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2769-0 Generic term that would indicate it's a required clinical practice I think would 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2769-1 be helpful. So thanks for that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2774-0 Launch with Julian. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2776-0 In which case? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2777-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2786-0 If we're in agreement with this language, give me one second. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2789-0 Paste it in red. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2792-0 What we can do is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2819-0 I'd like to move it conditionally

020because I wanna run it by the lawyer and make 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2819-1 sure she doesn't see any holes or so I think if we pass it conditionally I can 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2819-2 run it by Emma and then. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2838-0 I will see you guys. What next Monday or something like this 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2838-1 and let let you know how that turned out. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2840-0 Does that make sense? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2843-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2884-0 'Cause I do like the fact that your suggested language you know is more 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2884-1 flexible, so it includes the residency and when you 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2884-2 you have brought up the residency question, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2884-3 I think that's elsewhere in the general statute. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2897-0 So then I would want to make sure that I'm not like saying something here that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2897-1 conflicts over there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2902-0 Right. So in which case, let's? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2949-0 So. So the contingency

021then or would read as 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2949-1 what a successful completion of an alternative route to certification 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2949-2 program pursuant on section those four sections and and then it would be and or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2949-3 including any student teaching residency temporary 90 days that how it would read 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2949-4 is the CONT. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2952-0 That would lead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2954-0 Ah, there we go. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2987-0 Yes. So completion of an alternate route to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2987-1 certification program pursuant to these sections, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2987-2 including any student teaching residency, temporary 90 day certificate or other 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2987-3 required clinical practice by the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2994-0 OK, Doctor Ritchie, I see that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/2996-0 Your hand is raised. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3001-0 Yes, thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3033-0 I was just thinking of the timeline and the suggestion that we have another 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3033-1 meeting coming up very soon. If you're going to check with the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3033-2 attorney

022about this language, could we table this and take action on it 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3033-3 at the next regular meeting? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3067-0 I the only concern that I would say about tabling it currently is that we were 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3067-1 hoping to get this in on the agenda for LPCD and we would need to get it into 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3067-2 them by Monday or Tuesday of next week to ensure that it's on their agenda so. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3093-0 That we can actually get it approved by them and then move it forward to the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3093-1 legislators on the contingency that SBE approves it in March. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3107-0 So our timeline is very short this time because of the short session. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3107-1 So this is something that we want to get into. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3112-0 In front of the legislators. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3119-0 We would have to do a contingency approval. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3122-0

023And then go from there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3150-0 Because if we table it, it will not get in by the time needed for 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3150-1 LPDC to approve it. And then for us to get it to the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3150-2 legislator in time to have public hearings on it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3152-0 Julianne. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3192-0 Can I just be a little geeky and just make a slight change in the wording? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3192-1 So they're talking about experience, so including any student teaching 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3192-2 residency service under a temporary 90 day certificate or other required 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3192-3 clinical practice? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3195-0 Yep. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3194-0 'Cause. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3197-0 Thanks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3213-0 Because it's all the student teaching is a is a. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3225-0 It's service, underwriting and temporary 90 day 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3227-0 Yeah, they're all actions except for the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3225-1 certificate. Yeah. Thanks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3222-0 For sure. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3227-1 certificate, not an action. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3232-0 Yeah. Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3231-0

024Mel, go ahead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3242-0 I may be reading too much into this, but can someone? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3263-0 Clarify what is meant by other required clinical practice by the program. I mean, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3263-1 I know I heard what was said but. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3270-0 What are you thinking? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3273-0 What? What does that look like? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3280-0 Catherine, do you want to respond to that? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3294-0 Because I think that that was that came from you in terms of like that other 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3294-1 required clinical practices. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3306-0 Well, every every traditional program has 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3306-1 student teaching, right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3318-0 So we don't know what whether ARC may create a program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3322-0 We don't know. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3342-0 Do we want to label each for crack for residency? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3342-1 For a potential alternate route, or do we want to say, you know, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3342-2 the required clinical experience that? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3346-0

025Or something to that effect. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3354-0 I mean, I don't know what the wording the wording 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3354-1 looks a little choppy there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3364-0 Quite honestly, but I think that the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3366-0 I just interpret it as art. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3373-0 Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3391-0 I wonder if it could say something like including any type of student teaching or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3391-1 any student teaching slash clinical. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3422-0 Practice 'cause I where I went with that when I read it again, was oh, my God, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3422-1 what if this program over here decided they wanted to require 15 weeks and this 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3422-2 program wants 12 weeks and this program wants 13 weeks? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3436-0 Does that or other required by the program open it up for people to? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3427-0 No. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3450-0 You know, kind of do like a smarter sport. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3449-0 Somebody wants

0262 weeks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3454-0 I pick my own menu. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3456-0 Kind of. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3470-0 Right. No, I I, I yeah, I know. That's I I agree. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3466-0 Of program wants 3 days. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3488-0 So are you suggesting that it should read including any student teaching slash 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3488-1 clinical practice or required clinical practice? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3491-0 I. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3492-0 I guess. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3503-0 As is it not going to be defined in the regulations? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3510-0 I mean, we're going to define this eventually, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3510-1 right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3519-0 So like so it could say. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3515-0 I would hope so. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3551-0 Which might be bring up the question again is why we have to move so quick on 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3551-1 this one item, but including any student teaching slash 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3551-2 clinical practice or just put student teaching in parentheses. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3564-0 As defined by in regulation, whatever number that's going to

027be, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3564-1 I don't know. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3573-0 I just feel like we're going to forget to come back to this later. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3580-0 I mean, I hope we don't. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3600-0 Maybe. Kristen, you're you're very good at keeping track 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3590-0 How about? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3600-1 of this. And so you're going to remind us to come 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3600-2 back. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3605-0 What about clinical requirement? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3606-0 Sam. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3610-0 Oh, sorry. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3615-0 Yep, I get. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3613-0 It it is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3654-0 I guess a lot of this just seems kind of sort of predicated on the arc having been 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3654-1 approved in the 1st place and to have been approved it must have set the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3654-2 standard for what clinical practice they will require for successful completion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3674-0 So I think you just have like it's kind of baked in. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3674-1 I mean you could say something other

028required clinical practice by the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3693-0 As as per their program approval or something, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3693-1 but I think we just have to assume. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3708-0 They they're not just out there rogue operating, they've been approved. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3719-0 So they are therefore in compliance with whatever that requirement ends up being. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3723-0 So it's kind of a self referential. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3726-0 Piece. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3727-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3732-0 And then Hamesh, thank you, Shannon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3754-0 If I'm hearing Mel, I'm. I'm not sure if I am hearing Mel 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3754-1 correctly on it, so please let me know if I'm wrong. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3762-0 But is is clinical practice the broadest of the terms here? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3803-0 Is, and if so, does it just benefit us to to define the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3803-1 term clinical practice in the above piece of it and just reference it like I see a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3803-2

029lot of times you define the term clinical practice here means student teaching 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3803-3 approved by the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3812-0 What? Whatever the language we're talking about 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3812-1 is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3834-0 And then we just include it here. So we don't have to enumerate every 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3834-1 single time, we can just reference the broadest term 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3834-2 possible in there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3839-0 I don't think that makes sense, but. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3850-0 Yeah. Now I was just student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3845-0 Thank you, Himesh. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3883-0 I mean, I think we all wish it was just called a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3883-1 residency and it was all a true residency, but that's never gonna happen in our 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3883-2 lifetime unless we get a lot of money from somewhere. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3904-0 But I when I hear clinical practice, I also think about all the clinical 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3904-1 practice they do before they ever get to

030student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3906-0 So in my mind that encompasses. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3911-0 Everything clinics starting, you know. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3934-0 Senior sophomore year, junior year, senior year. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3934-1 And then you either student teach senior year or you student teach. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3941-0 In your grad program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3945-0 I don't know. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3950-0 It's I think we're probably stressing over it too much. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3957-0 Until we define what all of that means. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3969-0 All right. So are there any edits you think we 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3969-1 should make like? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3973-0 Would it be helpful to remove? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3982-0 The required clinical practice by the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3986-0 Jenny graves. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/3998-0 I guess I just have some confusion about clinical practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4001-0 That's not student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4033-0 So if somebody could give me an example of what that is, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4033-1 besides what I think Mel was talking about, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4033-2 which is like

031maybe like like field work prior to like finishing your degree to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4033-3 when you would then do student teaching. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4039-0 Like, is there an EPP program that does do? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4041-0 A. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4055-0 A different clinical practice outside of like a typical student teaching or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4055-1 residency. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4061-0 We call it clinical practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4068-0 They start their clinics in junior year. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4088-0 We don't call it whatever field work we call it clinical practice and we have a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4088-1 clinical director and everything. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4091-0 So that was where I went. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4114-0 What if I'm wondering why do we need that or other require? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4114-1 Because this successful completion of an alternate route blah blah blah including. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4127-0 Student teaching, residency, or service center doesn't. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4129-0 It's talking about an auction. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4132-0 Root here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4144-0 So why do we need to

032address what other programs are doing? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4133-0 Mm-hmm. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4159-0 Non non alternate route programs. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4157-0 I'm wondering if we can. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4169-0 Yeah. I'm wondering if we can just use the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4169-1 language or other requirements of the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4174-0 For like program completion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4180-0 I see a thumbs up by Julianne on that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4186-0 So or other requirements. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4189-0 Of the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4191-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4206-0 All right. Everybody's hand went down right after 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4206-1 Julianne gave that thumbs up. And and Jenny. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4218-0 Suggested that. So I think we might have a level of of 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4218-1 consensus at this point. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4220-0 I. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4228-0 I guess I'm confused about what number two is about then because. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4233-0 Wouldn't it? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4245-0 Julian, couldn't that mean we put in there, OK? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4252-0 You must complete a performance assessment. In part a program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4262-0

033So again, I could have different requirements, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4262-1 or is that always the case? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4267-0 Anyway, not me, but you know an EPP. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4274-0 Yeah, Eppps can have their own. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4301-0 Let's use Ed TPA for an example. They don't have to, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4301-1 but some schools are like, Nope, you're gonna do NTPA or recency like some 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4301-2 schools say. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4325-0 Oh, I don't care if you took that course 20 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4325-1 years ago. We'll count it. And other schools gonna be like, no, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4325-2 you have to complete within 5 within the last five years or two years or whatever 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4325-3 the case may be. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4338-0 I think the issue with #2 is because it was looking forward that we might have 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4338-1 other. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4350-0 Alternate routes in the future that would lead straight to initial. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4373-0 But our

034problem is we have existing ones already in place that you can't go to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4373-1 initial the three ones we have or 4 ones. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4417-0 We want to make clarification, so we want this language to not only 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4417-1 cover existing ones, but open flexibility for new ones that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4417-2 might be approved with different requirements. For that reason, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4417-3 I think if you say that if they complete the program, including any teaching, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4417-4 residency service under T. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4423-0 90 day certificate or. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4432-0 Or other classroom experience required by the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4435-0 Then that might be general enough. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4460-0 'Cause it's it's saying that the program but including, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4460-1 so you're completing a program and you're not worried about all the details of the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4460-2 program, that's still gonna be figured out. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4466-0 You're just talking about the

035experience component. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4479-0 I actually liked it better the other way because class we're wordsmithing here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4489-0 It was better the other way and not putting classroom in there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4483-0 Yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4500-0 Yeah. Or you just say other experience required 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4500-1 by the program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4501-0 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4514-0 Are other requirements of the program, which is what you had earlier. Yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4514-1 Gotcha. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4515-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4542-0 See Lauren's hand up. And then I think we should move this to a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4542-1 motion in a vote so that we can continue on with the other items that we have for 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4542-2 action items. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4576-0 Yeah. I just want to name, I think one of the challenges trying to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4576-1 get this language right is you're trying to get language right for programs the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4576-2 way they're currently structured and

036some of the work that the board's going to be 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4576-3 doing in the next couple of. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4585-0 Months is determining sort of writ large. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4598-0 What does that look like both for traditional programs and alternate route 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4598-1 programs? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4637-0 So I I think no matter what you put here, it's going to be imperfect because of all 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4637-1 the uncertainty of what the rules are going to be. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4637-2 So like there's just not going to be a way that feels great. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4637-3 I think about this language 'cause it's connected to. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4647-0 All of these other parts that currently are still question marks. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4659-0 Like, what will the regulations define as 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4659-1 student teaching? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4692-0 Will there be separate alternate route regulations versus traditional like it's 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4692-1 a lot of important conversations that would make this part

037easier. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4692-2 So I I think that's probably why everyone's kind of struggling with the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4692-3 languages. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4706-0 It's it's a tricky time in the process, that's all. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4703-0 Thank you, Lauren. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4716-0 All right. Kristen, would you like to make a motion? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4713-0 All right, so. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4719-0 I would. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4748-0 I move to conditionally approve the certification proposal for pathways to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4748-1 professional certification, or sorry for initial certification via 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4748-2 alternate routes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4750-0 Do we have a second? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4752-0 Row second. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4760-0 Right. That is Catherine Rowe with the 2nd. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4778-0 And any discussion, we've had lots right, we will move this to A roll call vote. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4782-0 So I will start off with Bob. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4784-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4786-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4792-0 Sorry, Catherine Rowe. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4794-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4798-0 Thank you, Patrice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4799-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4802-0 Shannon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4805-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4806-0 Thank

038you, hemesh. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4808-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4812-0 Mel. Margaret. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4810-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4814-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4816-0 Jenny graves. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4817-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4819-0 Sarah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4829-0 Tiffany is not here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4833-0 Jen Delaney is not here, Elsa. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4835-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4840-0 Kristen. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4875-0 Madam Chair, actually. Excuse me, Madam Chair, point of order. Actually, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4875-1 Kristen Saint Germain is here, but she got bumped out, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4875-2 so I'm trying to get her back in. But she is in as the alternate. OK, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4875-3 for Tiffany. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4877-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4884-0 Thank you for putting that out for Tiffany. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4887-0 I'm sorry. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4901-0 So we're waiting on that one. And then Elsa, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4901-1 you said that that was a yes, doctor Richie. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4904-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4914-0 And I am also. Oh, yes. And Kristen basaga. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4915-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4919-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4926-0 So without Kristen St. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4940-0 Germain's vote at this time, while

039she's trying to get in, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4940-1 the motion has carried with the members that we do have here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4959-0 Here. So thank you all for that important 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4959-1 discussion and figuring out and fiddling with the wording. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4962-0 We appreciate you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4967-0 We want to move on to the next one. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4977-0 Right. So the next one isn't really a proposal, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4977-1 it is more. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4983-0 It's it's more a memo. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/4992-0 So I wrote this as a memo from me to the certification board. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5023-0 What I did and had Emma check through was go through what laws and regulations are 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5023-1 currently surrounding Praxis core. It was voiced by the board that one of 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5023-2 the things we'd like to do is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5041-0 Remove Praxis core as a requirement of all Epps, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5041-1 because currently in law it

040says that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5088-0 The State Board of Ed will adopt guidelines regarding the use of these 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5088-1 scores, and so the guidelines shall establish 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5088-2 standards for using the scores later. The guidelines that came out said that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5088-3 praxis is not required as a certification requirement, but Connecticut. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5110-0 Epps must still ensure that candidates take either Praxis core SAT or ACT. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5152-0 So when we had this discussion of, you know, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5152-1 could we make a legislative proposal for this? I went and did, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5152-2 like the legal research. And if our board would like to consider 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5152-3 removing the praxis core as a requirement, then we should be petitioning the State 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5152-4 Board of Ed. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5154-0 Because. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5159-0 The law compels. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5180-0 The State Board of Ed to adopt the guidelines regarding the use of scores. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5180-1

041So if the State Board of Ed. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5198-0 Determines that they write a new state competency examination guidance document. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5211-0 Then that's how we can get Praxis core removed as a requirement. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5217-0 So if that's something that the board would like to do. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5228-0 We we do have a pathway forward. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5237-0 We would need to basically talk with the State Board of Ed and have them rewrite 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5237-1 the guidelines. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5244-0 It's unclear so far from. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5252-0 My reading of the law, whether or not. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5265-0 We're on our own able to rewrite those guidelines. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5281-0 Or if we are, it's still going to have to obviously go 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5281-1 to the State Board of Ed first. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5286-0 So I guess in terms of removing practice core. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5308-0 As a requirement that all eppps have for their students, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5308-1

042is this something we'd like to pursue by having us write a new draft of guidelines? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5319-0 Would you like us to petition the State Board of Ed to do so? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5341-0 Since I don't come from an EPP background, I think it would be helpful to have 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5341-1 someone from an EPP either. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5358-0 You know, be the leader on petitioning the State 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5358-1 Board of Ed or be the leader in writing these new guidelines. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5360-0 What are people's thoughts? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5366-0 If we just get rid of it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5370-0 What guidelines will we be writing? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5415-0 So what it is is from Public Act 1641. So from 2016 the State Board of Education 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5415-1 is the, you know body that has to adopt the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5415-2 guidelines and the guidelines that they adopted require the Epps to have all

04321d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5415-3 incoming students incoming candidates take Praxis core. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5419-0 Sat or act? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5424-0 Right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5433-0 So we would need to have them change this guidance to say. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5438-0 That it's no longer required. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5454-0 So that would just be one sentence. We want this to no longer be required. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5454-1 I'll take that on. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5478-0 Right. Yes. But I would assume that, you know, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5478-1 petitioning the State Board of Ed that they would need some convincing, right, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5478-2 they they probably would want more of a rationale. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5491-0 Which I feel like someone from an EPP would do a really great job on. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5492-0 Yeah, yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5508-0 Well, could we first ask him for their 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5508-1 rationale as to why they did it? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5511-0 Never mind. That was a joke. So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5522-0 I'll wait for other people to speak

044before I say anything more. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5528-0 Thank you, Mel. Patrice, go ahead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5535-0 So if I'm reading it correctly. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5538-0 The public. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5545-0 At 1641, still requires. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5567-0 That the scores be used in some way, so I don't think the state board could 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5567-1 just adopt guidelines that say don't use them at all. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5576-0 So I guess I I'm confused about. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5588-0 The wood of let's just change to have them change the guidelines. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5593-0 Great doctor Richie. Thank you, Patrice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5631-0 Yeah, I think it's for a question for the Epps. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5631-1 To what extent do the Epps use the Praxis 1 as a diagnostic and is it really worth 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5631-2 going through, you know, removing the statute and doing this extra 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5631-3 work, would it? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5633-0 Who would it benefit? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5648-0 It benefits the students because

045they have to pay for Praxis core A and EP PS. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5680-0 I don't want to speak for everyone, but I've worked at two in this state and 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5680-1 neither of those EPS UC scores to remediate. We we didn't do it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5697-0 But if it says Public Act 1641 gives authority to the board to establish, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5697-1 publish and revise. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5706-0 Then, if we're recommending to them. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5708-0 Get rid of it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5721-0 Then they're back in the position of getting rid of it, right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5753-0 So that's what we would be proposing is that we don't want it because a is a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5753-1 financial burden on students. B Epps are not using it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5754-0 C Kate doesn't require it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5760-0 So why are we doing it? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5768-0 And now a lot of people are giving us AC TSAT

046scores. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5770-0 And. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5772-0 It's. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5774-0 Yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5796-0 It just seems like if we're trying to get rid of barriers, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5796-1 it's a barrier worth fighting to get rid of. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5817-0 And and we had some extensive conversation, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5817-1 a couple meetings back specific to this where we talked about how it's not being 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5817-2 used. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5840-0 We were looking at some regulations related to it, so it makes sense to, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5840-1 you know, go down the road of speaking to the SBE. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5858-0 So I guess it's a matter of are we as a board stating that we want to have a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5858-1 conversation with the legal SBE? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5860-0 Maybe it's Laura. Stefan. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5872-0 And have that conversation around we've discussed with Epps on our board. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5883-0 What is their suggestion on the next steps? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5897-0 Should the board

047petition or adopt different guidelines? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5905-0 Is there legislation that they want to work into their next session? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5918-0 So I think that you know, that's what we're kind of pondering at 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5918-1 this point. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5924-0 What were the three things that you had said, Kristen, that we should consider? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5962-0 So my suggestions were either we could write guidelines ourselves and see if the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5962-1 state Board approved Co approves them, approves them, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5962-2 and then you know that would be the State Board establishing new guidelines. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5979-0 I love your idea of reaching out to Lawrence Stefan and being able to get, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5979-1 you know, her legal opinion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/5991-0 Right. Or alternatively, having us petition the state board? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6005-0 Sort of add directly and say we would like this removed for all the reasons 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6005-1 that Dean Horton

048mentioned. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6009-0 I think it would be good to get. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6048-0 Her the lawyer's take on it because maybe there's something I know for me, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6048-1 Kristen does a great job of understanding all of this, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6048-2 but I don't want to even pretend that I understand everything about public acts 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6048-3 1641 and how it came to be. So maybe. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6084-0 Seek advice 1st and then go from there and if something we can take on and we 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6084-1 just need to rewrite it, I'm willing to do that and bring get it 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6084-2 started and bring something back to. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6086-0 The board. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6089-0 Heard and yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6094-0 Thank you, Mel. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6100-0 I don't want to cause more work for other people. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6106-0 Let's just say that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6143-0 Yeah, I think our route is likely to have that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6143-1

049conversation with Laura, Stefan and see what her recommendation is 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6143-2 and if she recommends that, no, we the board should write new guidance or 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6143-3 that we should petition the board and we'll go ahead and do that. I just Don. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6163-0 Think that anything legislatively that we decide to do for this particular one will 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6163-1 be in the session and might have to be in the next one. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6168-0 So just so that we're all clear on that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6178-0 Though it sounds like we're just rewriting guidance which won't have to go 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6178-1 that way, so. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6187-0 Is everybody kind of feeling the same way about it? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6196-0 So I don't have to go through a full vote on this necessarily. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6209-0 I think that we can just go ahead and reach out to Laura and have

050that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6209-1 conversation with her. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6221-0 So thank you for the consideration and the idea to move forward on our agenda we 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6221-1 have next. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6234-0 Regulations that were returned to the ad hoc. But I think we can hold off on those. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6245-0 A little bit and maybe go into the initial two professional pathway. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6259-0 Yeah, I did not think we were presenting those 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6259-1 today and I didn't see them on the agenda or attachment. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6262-0 Which? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6265-0 Would like to table the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6272-0 Pathway to professional discussion until Monday. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6273-0 To. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6280-0 Monday. You, you you're referencing Monday. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6288-0 Yeah. Our is it Monday, February 9th. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6298-0 Oh yes. So the February meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6296-0 Our next board meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6317-0 Sorry, I was like this Monday. We have a meeting. 'cause. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6317-1 I don't remember scheduling another

051meeting in the near future. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6334-0 Just be aware that if we do tape table that led that language that it will not 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6334-1 get into this session. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6347-0 Because it's a short session and and the idea was to like have anything. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6346-0 8. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6354-0 But that's fine as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6358-0 Do we want to go into the regulations? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6360-0 Yes, please. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6363-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6372-0 All right. So regulations returned to the ad hoc for 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6372-1 further review. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6378-0 Yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6381-0 Point of order, Madam Chair. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6390-0 So was that a motion and a second to move to table that to the next meeting? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6397-0 Oh, my apologies, Kristen. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6408-0 So is that a motion to move that to the next meeting in February? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6410-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6413-0 OK. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6430-0 So our initial to professional pathway motion is to move

052that to our February 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6430-1 agenda. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6433-0 Do we have a second on that? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6435-0 Row second. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6443-0 Doctor Rowe seconds. All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6439-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6446-0 Is there any discussion? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6451-0 Can I ask a question? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6455-0 Sorry, I should raise my hand, sorry. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6456-0 Sure. Hmm. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6473-0 So are we saying through tabling it that we won't have any opinion on this for a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6473-1 whole year now? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6474-0 I just don't. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6499-0 I feel or or like have a formal way of presenting this in legislate like 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6499-1 legislatively, just because I I feel like that's a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6499-2 missed opportunity. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6505-0 But if if that's the case. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6502-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6514-0 Thank you. Kristen, you want to go ahead and respond to that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6514-1 part of it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6535-0 Yeah. So I think we will still have time to

053put 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6535-1 it on the legislative agenda for this year because. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6550-0 You know, once it's leaving us, legislators will see what our proposal is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6553-0 They will see. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6584-0 It's in the pipeline, you know, I know that legislators do watch these 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6584-1 meetings sometimes as interesting as they are. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6584-2 And I also know that we have a whole bunch of regulations coming from the. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6606-0 EPP Program Approval Group that we're saying are going to make the legislative 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6606-1 agenda for this year and we haven't even started work on it yet. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6613-0 So I know that we we're going to. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6633-0 I know that there is some flexibility and I'm pretty confident that the discussion 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6633-1 will have on February 9th we'll be able to be. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6651-0 A little bit richer because the one proposal that's

054attached to the agenda 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6651-1 was our last discussion, which was a long time ago. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6676-0 We had conversation November, December. Yeah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6679-0 Conversations since then. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6685-0 That's really helpful. Thank you. That's helpful. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6687-0 Mel, go ahead. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6726-0 I was just gonna recommend that maybe we could put this first on the agenda for 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6726-1 the next meeting because I have lots of questions and I think other people are 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6726-2 gonna have lots of questions about this and we need to save some time. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6726-3 It always seems to get. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6745-0 Pushed or we got 5 minutes left and it it really needs a larger discussion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6745-1 I think just my opinion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6747-0 Great. Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6751-0 I can certainly do that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6758-0 All right, so the motion was seconded. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6763-0 We had some discussion around it. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6770-0

055We'll just go ahead and send it to a vote then. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6773-0 So Bob? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6774-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6777-0 Doctor ROH. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6779-0 Patrice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6781-0 Shannon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6784-0 Hamish. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6786-0 Yes, sorry. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6800-0 Mel. Margaret. Jenny. Sarah. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6790-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6794-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6797-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6801-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6804-0 Kristen Saint James. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6807-0 St. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6808-0 Germain, sorry. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6815-0 I don't think she got back on Madame chair. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6824-0 I did send her the agenda with the link. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6830-0 OK, Elsa. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6831-0 Right. Right, I'll go with. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6832-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6841-0 Kristen, doctor Ritchie. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6836-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6839-0 Oh. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6842-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6848-0 And myself is a yes as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6854-0 All right. So that motion carries the table. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6855-0 It's the next meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6860-0 Put it top of the agenda. Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6890-0 All right, Kristen, if you want to go ahead with those 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6890-1 regulations that the regulations group,

056thank you very much to the Regulations 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6890-2 group for meeting to go over these and have them ready for us to move forward. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6900-0 Just four of them. We had sent back 413 because. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6935-0 Because we didn't pass the legislative proposal to change the Interim Educator 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6935-1 certificate with coursework deficiency away from the one year with one renewal 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6935-2 to three years, then we had to go back and adjust the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6935-3 regulations. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6943-0 So all of 413A1A is the same. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6955-0 That matches our current law, saying that if you have an assessment 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6955-1 division. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6959-0 You get three years. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6972-0 A three-year non renewable interim educator certificate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6983-0 So here's the new part is if you have a coursework deficiency. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/6996-0 The Interim Educator Certificate shall be valid for one year. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7002-0 Reissued for a

057second year, this is the current law. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7025-0 This is the current practice, so everything in two right here that's 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7025-1 highlighted is just bringing it up to match current practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7041-0 The addition then would be the addition of the survey course in U.S. history. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7057-0 So what this is saying is if you have your interim educator certificate but 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7057-1 you're missing coursework. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7095-0 Then you have a one year interim educator certificate which may be reissued for a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7095-1 second year and the discussion we had last time was really good because it was 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7095-2 talking about how like well if you're missing the special Ed. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7102-0 Course. Well, that's really important. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7111-0 So that you know how to differentiate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7127-0 It's your introduction to special Ed so that you know, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7127-1 special Ed law and you

058don't put it off for three years, right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7128-0 The reason? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7144-0 There was a legislative proposal is that to be the coursework for vocational. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7165-0 Technical actually is in law, so we would have had to change the law if 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7165-1 we had wanted to change the length of time for the interim educator certificate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7170-0 For vocational technical. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7172-0 So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7201-0 I believe what I have here matches everybody's kind of expectations that we 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7201-1 do want people with coursework deficiency to get that work done as quickly as 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7201-2 possible so they get the one year with one renewal. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7206-0 Any thoughts or questions so far? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7208-0 Alright. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7243-0 And there's no changes in 413 B. The conditions of Interim Educator 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7243-1 certificate. We kind of discussed at length last last 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7243-2 time where we're making it

059more flexible. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7264-0 So you either complete your coursework and assessments and then you can get your 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7264-1 initial certificate during that time that you may complete. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7274-0 The beginning educator program. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7291-0 But if you're like, still working on coursework, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7291-1 you're still working on assessments. Maybe focus on what you need to get your 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7291-2 certificate first. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7306-0 And then you still have your, you know, five years to finish best or team? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7331-0 We had brought up at the last board meeting that 426 I had like suggested 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7331-1 some edits to it, but then I think it was Julianne. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7365-0 I could be wrong, pointed out that it might not be needed 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7365-1 anymore because the adult education authorization was for people who filled 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7365-2 all the requirements for adult Ed, except for assessment requirements. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7375-0

060Well, now there are no assessment requirements 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7375-1 for adult Ed. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7382-0 So this 426 we should allow to sunset. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7386-0 Any questions so far? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7396-0 All right. Which leaves our last two. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7404-0 So these I know we had a discussion on at the last meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7447-0 But so I wanted to bring it back to the ad hoc and make sure that we were 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7447-1 reflecting the current practices and not changing how our school counselors and 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7447-2 school psychologists attain their professional educator certificate. So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7455-0 What we're recommending is a repeal and replace of 550. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7458-0 8 and 562. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7489-0 So this is when they're going up to go get their professional educator 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7489-1 certificate, they have to complete the requirements in 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7489-2 417. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7527-0 So that's the, you know, teach for five years. Complete, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7527-1

061complete team. And then the coursework, their current coursework requirement is a 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7527-2 minimum of 45 semester hours of graduate credit. If we had left it as suggested, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7527-3 that would be lowering the standard. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7534-0 To 30 hours of graduate credit. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7579-0 So this language that's changed is matching the existing regulation, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7579-1 so they're still meeting the 45 semester hours of graduate credit, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7579-2 which is what is currently required for them to become professionally certified 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7579-3 or hold the Professional Educator Certificate. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7588-0 I don't see any hands, so they're loving what you're saying. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7593-0 Alright, alright. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7608-0 So essentially the same thing for school psychologist of repeal and replace of 562. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7647-0 So the current requirement is that they complete 60 semester hours of graduate 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7647-1 credit. If we have just left it as meeting the

06221d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7647-2 requirements in 417, then that would be lowering the amount of 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7647-3 coursework that they would have to complete. So. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7659-0 This would say they still have to teach for five years. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7680-0 Complete Buster team the beginning educator induction program and then to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7680-1 their 60 hours of graduate credit. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7684-0 So in keeping with current practice. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7686-0 So seeing. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7694-0 No questions or concerns. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7708-0 I move that Batch 8 of regulations be brought to the legislative and Policy 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7708-1 Development Committee. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7711-0 Do we have a second? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7714-0 Simon seconds. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7721-0 Mayor fitzsimons. Second, thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7722-0 Any discussion? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7724-0 All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7729-0 Seeing none, we will take it to a vote. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7732-0 All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7735-0 Starting again with Bob. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7737-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7739-0 Doctor woo. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7742-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7744-0 Patrice McCarthy. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7746-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7755-0 Is Shannon Merriman.

063Hamish macphail. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7751-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7754-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7759-0 Mel Horton. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7758-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7764-0 Margaret Gustafson. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7765-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7769-0 Jenny graves. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7774-0 Sarah Fitzsimons. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7778-0 Yes, with pleasure to have it done. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7780-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7784-0 Elsa Batista. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7786-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7791-0 Kristen dahlga. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7793-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7802-0 Jack, Sidharjee and myself. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7800-0 Yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7814-0 Yeah. So that passes unanimously before we get 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7814-1 off of the call. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7849-0 I just want to say thank you to all of our regulations, ad hoc members, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7849-1 they they came together and have a quick meeting based off of our last meeting to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7849-2 get these kind of wrapped up so that we could have this meeting and and get that 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7849-3 part of. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7862-0 The regulations done and moved on to the legislative Policy Development Committee. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7876-0 Additionally, I just want to make sure that

064I'm clear 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7876-1 on the things that are moving forward from January. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7884-0 Both January meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7893-0 So currently our board approved the reissuance with time served. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7901-0 That'll move forward. The professional Educator scholarship 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7901-1 program to move forward. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7908-0 From the last meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7917-0 From this meeting, initial certification be alternative 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7917-1 routes to move forward. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7931-0 Removing Praxis will be going to Laura for some questions. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7948-0 We did not move forward the I think it was the dsaP three years technical from 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7948-1 the last meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7967-0 And then we have the batches from the 1st January meeting in this meeting to move 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7967-1 forward to LPCD, correct? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7986-0 All right, I'm not missing anything so that we can 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/7986-1 combine it and get it to LPDC without any delay, all right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8015-0 Is there any

065adjustments that needed to be made to any of those three items of 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8015-1 the legislative proposals for the RE issuance with time served professional 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8015-2 educator scholarship program or initial certification via alternative routes? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8025-0 I think it was just the adjustments that we made during the meeting, right? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8051-0 So Kristen, if you can get those three sent over to 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8051-1 myself and Karen and then we can combine the two batches. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8051-2 If there was no amendments made to the last batch or this batch. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8054-0 Sounds good. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8056-0 I can do that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8058-0 All right, perfect. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8084-0 I think that Mike had said that if we could get it to them by Monday, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8084-1 that that would ensure that we were on their their this coming Monday that it 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8084-2 would ensure that we were on

066their agenda for that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8095-0 In the meantime, Kier and I will send them a message 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8095-1 letting them know of the items. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8102-0 So again, thank you all for February. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8147-0 We'll put into the top of the action items for discussion will be that pathway 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8147-1 from initial to professional and we will also have the discussion around Doctor 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8147-2 Rich's proposal as well as part of that new business that was on there. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8147-3 Should anyone have any proposals that they? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8163-0 Would like us to consider you would need to have them into Karen and I by let's 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8163-1 see. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8171-0 Just making sure that we have the correct dates here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8173-0 Review. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8179-0 Our next meeting is February. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8181-0 9th. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8187-0 So 10 days prior to that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8191-0 Be very nice would be. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8197-0 Sorry,

067I'm just backtracking here. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8205-0 Looking at around the the 31st, which is soon. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8212-0 Yeah. So, so really, yeah, the yes. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8240-0 It would need to be because Karen and I don't typically work on Saturdays and 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8240-1 Sundays, so if you could get it into us by the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8240-2 30th, which would help us to finalize the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8240-3 agenda. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8251-0 So if there are any items you know by Friday, that would be great. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8293-0 So that we can finalize the agenda and have them listed on the agenda, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8293-1 you can certainly send us the materials after that, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8293-2 but just let us know of your intention what it's called and then get us the 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8293-3 materials by like the Monday so that we can include that. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8300-0 But it's more for finalizing the agenda. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8301-0 OK.

06821d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8304-0 All right. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8312-0 Thank you all for the important conversation. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8325-0 I think we are like a minute early in ending the one hour meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8344-0 So thank you all for the productive conversation. And as always, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8344-1 our SDE support and all that are involved in the work. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8347-0 We appreciate you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8367-0 The working group is continuing to work and I'm sure we're going to have some 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8367-1 updates at the February meeting on where that is. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8381-0 They have a very aggressive timeline that they are hoping to meet, 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8381-1 so we will get some stuff from them as well. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8387-0 Also, thank you very much. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8394-0 I will take a motion to adjourn this meeting. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8396-0 I'll make the motion. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8402-0 Thank you, Hamish. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8412-0 Can I get a second in by Doctor Richie? 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8403-0

069Now second. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8415-0 Couldn't get on that quick enough. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8419-0 Thank you. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8430-0 I am going to say by general consensus we are adjourned. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8442-0 Thank you so much and we will see you soon. Bye everyone. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8451-0 Thank you. Bye. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8458-0 Thank you everyone. Have a good day. 21d34ff8-ec5d-4903-b4fb-8c1f51758c14/8452-0 Bye bye bye.