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Torrington Board of Education Building Committee Meeting

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2026-02-20
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Northwest Hills Planning Region, CT
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001Casey's here, Pat's here, Robin's here, Donna's here, Doug's here, Fiona's here, John Kiscoco's here, Mike Xerio's here, and Jeff Putnham's here. I don't know if I got missed anybody. No. Okay. Uh, have a motion uh to approve approval of the agenda. >> So moved. >> Who's that? Uh, >> Joe Klesh is on. >> Yeah. Joe. >> Okay. Thank you, Joe. >> Yes, sir. >> Second. Fiona. >> Fiona. >> Any discussion? All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Next. Any public uh participation? >> No, there's not. >> No. Okay. uh item uh phase two, the application and certificate for payment. You'll receive the uh document and uh outlined as I always do who gets paid and the amount. Uh the amount this month is down. We're closing out some uh contracts. Uh

002it's $841,44363. Can I have a motion to approve that amount? >> I'll make a motion. Donna. >> Donna. >> Second. Gary. Second. >> Gary. Any discussion? All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. Thank you. Mike Zera, you have six PCOS. It's >> a short month this month, but thanks to everybody for getting on. I appreciate it. Um, six PCOS. Start off with 670R1 that is an owner contingency cost of $30,837. Um, a few months ago, I think it was in either October or November, I had advised this group of a cost impact related to the engineering and the pipe grid installation in the middle school. Um, if you recall in your high school science lab, I think it's on a third floor. Um, we have a pipe grid system. um schedule 40 pipe with

003you know a bunch of fittings for you know labs to do you know science experiments um and then you have two rooms in the middle school which are STEM and maker space rooms uh and then another science lab in the middle school all have you know this pipe grid that we're we're about to talk to again um originally we had assigned the installation of the pipe grid systems throughout the project to our general trades contractor which would be OWY contractors um they had actually performed the installation of the pipe grid in the high school science lab room that I had mentioned before. Um you know slams documents certain specifications including the pipe grid call are called to be delegated design in which the trade is assigned with seeking engineering services um you know to design

004you know whatever it may be in this case it's the pipe grid um you know two requirements that you know Sam's slam sets forth to in their specifications um you know where this went arry is you know our general trades contractor did not carry that you know delegated design and you know they weren't able to in further research able to obtain um professional liability coverage that you know slam was looking for in their specifications. Um at that point in time, you know, we needed to keep things moving obviously and you know, we had engaged our steel contractor, Burrow and Steel, um who has a little bit more success with professional liability coverage obviously because of, you know, structural steel, right? Um and they had stepped up to the plate to get the system engineered and

005ultimately, you know, take ownership of the work that, you know, this the pipe grid scope of work that was, you know, initially assigned to OWI. Um, you know, when Berlin Steel received the delegated design, um, you know, we had OWI, you know, beef up or enhance, um, you know, the pipe grid system that they installed in the high school, um, you know, to meet the delegated design that OWI wasn't able to achieve. um OWI at that point in time had had already stall installed you know part one of part two of the entire pipe grid system that lives above the ceiling in the middle school um spaces. So three out of the four spaces or four out of the four they they completed half more than half um of the work. Um but what they

006didn't perform and which is why you're you know you're seeing a credit in this PCO of you know $400. they didn't perform, you know, the schedule 40 pipe that, um, you know, the science experiments would use, the kids would use for science experiments in labs and such. Um, so overall, the balance of this cost, Burland Steel, 30 grand, this is for engineering services to design all of the pipe grid systems in the building. Um, and ultimately, you know, install three out of the four rooms, um, all being in the middle school and the recent turnover. Um, I know that may have been a little complicated, so if you guys have questions, please jump in. Um, we can move on to 703R1. It's an owner contingency cost of $48,821. Um, this is related to, you know,

007the central office elevator and how, you know, the board of ed space kind of inter integrates with, you know, your day-to-day school space. Um, so the current programming for elevator one, which is the elevator that brings you up, you know, all four floors of the high school up to the central office, you know, all those adjacent doors and frames, hardware, security, you know, fire alarm, acts of control, you know, signage, unfortunately, at this point in time does not support what the central office, you know, feels is appropriate for separation between the two entities as as our documents currently stand. Um, you know, there's obviously been a ton of conversations surrounding, you know, how the proposal request, um, and what we're pricing here, you know, came to fruition. Um, you know, I was a part of

008a meeting back in the summer of 25 with, you know, Rachel, I believe, from IT, representatives from, you know, the board of ed and in the high school. Um, you know, Slam and their consultants. Um, all to discuss what, you know, really was feasible, you know, from an elevator standpoint and, you know, what access restrictions look like. um so we could put a price together uh and get the work implemented to enhance you know security in the building separation between you know board of ed and and student population um you know from a larger perspective without you know analyzing every piece of this um you know if I have business to attend to up in the central office I'm parking you know I'm walking into that side entrance door where there's you know an an

009AI phone or an A phone I believe we call it an audio and visual phone where if I buzz in somebody who's sitting up in the central office can can unlock that door and let me into that that man trap vestibial. Um, you know, now that I've been buzzed in, I'm in that first floor vestibule and, you know, now there's going to be a camera to see, you know, what I'm doing. Um, you know, I can't access any of the doors, you know, adjacent that lead you into the student population areas. Um, that was already by design. I think all we're adding here for one of those doors is a door contact just to read if the doors open or closed. um you know, but I can now walk up or I should be able

010to walk up to the elevator, press the button without swiping any card and I'm only able to go to the fourth floor, which is where the central office is located. Um, you know, part of this change will also implement a card reader within the elevator itself. So, depending on what your S2 system access is, that's all driven by Rachel's group and what permissions I have. Can I get up on the second floor? Can I get up on the third floor, fourth floor, and such? All that's dictated by, you know, your access control system, which is, you know, manipulative, manipulatable, that's a word. Um, you know, so I could go to any floor if I have access to do that. Um, when I'm finally up to that fourth floor, you know, the adjacent doors that again

011bring you that would bring you into the student population area, all those are being enhanced with um, you know, mag like mag locks we call them. Basically, it's, you know, it's magnetized to where you know, you're not pushing, it's delayed egress. you're not pushing through and if you are there's alarms that are sounding that, you know, will alert people in the building that somebody passed through these doors that didn't have the credentials to do so. So, you know, we're removing card readers, we're relocating card readers. Um, you know, again, these mag locks have capabilities to deenergize, you know, in the event of a fire alarm should that occur. Um, and then there's also additional signage um a part of this change to help direct people what's happening um in the building in these areas. um

012you know between camera low voltage wiring you know door hardware material access control fire alarm security you know elevator programming you know signage this is you know a very intense proposal request and you know there's there's definitely a lot of work that we need to imp implement here and um right now we're targeting April break uh to do that um to get everything installed test it make sure it's functional all before the students return from the break so that's sort of an overview on on the change for the elevator. Again, if you have questions, feel free to jump in and stop me. Um, next is PCO75R1. It's a CM cost of $3,358 on the second floor of area H. There was a interesting condition at your clear story window sale on the east side of

013the renovation. Um it's more of an unforeseen condition related to a new column that was supposed to be installed in an existing masonry wall. That doesn't always work out well. Um you know, so we work with Slam to to get a detail revised at a framing and jip board taped. Um you know, adding some wall expansion joints to uh tighten that condition up. So, >> hey Mike. >> Yes, >> it's Gary Ukalo. I was going to go back here last. >> Sorry to I I tried to jump in and Glenn's on. >> I'm not sure which elevators you were talking about, but we when we go to the superintendent's office now, >> they've got to come down and let us in. >> Yes. >> Because Okay. Were you referencing that? I mean, Burger could probably

014answer it better than me. He's he's he's the guy, but >> yeah, that's the same elevator. Right now, it's set up to where if you were to get buzzed into that first floor area, you got to swipe a card in order to get the elevator to come and get you. That's why they have to come down now and get you because anybody who shows up without card access is really limited as it is of where they can go in the building. So this whole change is really solving that issue. >> But was this a con design or that that's been short design or is it is it our >> I guess it it's more of a a lack of design. The elevator programming part of this is really, you know, $5,000 out of the whole

015$48,000 cost. You know, the bulk of the cost here is from our security and fire alarm contractor who has got to integrate all of the access control and get a card reader inside the elevator. Um, add some more card readers outside. Um, and and pretty much also tie in the fire alarm component of that too. So, the elevator >> I I got a question. Where does the fire alarm component come into play here? >> The fire that that elevator should This is Glenn from board of education. >> Hi, Glenn. Yeah, the the fire alarm is separate from the actual elevator. If the fire alarm goes off and you're inside the elevator, already by design, that elevator recalls down to the floor that it's supposed to. >> Correct. So, where's the change involving the elevator? >>

016Uh the change involving the elevator is for those mag locks that I was referring to. They mount to the frames of the doors and it's a fixed to the door itself. So, if you have a card, you know, it'll demagnetize and open the door. But, it's all >> Okay. I I joined a little I joined a little late. I thought this was just related to elevators. So, there's other doors that are getting maglocks, >> correct? There's doors that meet up to the central office area where we got to enhance with extra door hardware and tie it into the fire alarm. If there was a fire alarm emergency, you want people to get out of those doors and not be uh limited in in and you know, egressing out the building if that makes sense. >>

017Yeah. Well, the maglocks doors maglocks are going the ones that go into the school. Maglocks will drop on fire anyway, >> right? That's the fire alarm component, right? >> But this is for both sets of doors. Then the doors that lead to the school and that stairwell that's right next to the elevator. Are we doing both doors? Like what's the >> Yeah. So if you're up on the fourth floor, you have the stair one is right next to the board of ed entrance door. Those two doors will get mag locks and then the other two doors um down the hall bringing you to like the fourth floor. Um I know the science labs are on the other side of the corridor, but if you kind of understand what I'm saying. So, it's four four doors

018total that kind of separate board of ed and and student population. We'll get those uh mag locks and you know tied into the fire alarm and access control capability to that. >> So, this was brought up a couple years ago before the building was being being built >> and Slam had kabashed it because we couldn't do that because it's a path of eress. So, and with the elevator, I got a problem getting hit with a changer on this because according to the plans, there was a sequence of operation on the prince that stated exactly what was supposed to be done. So, this is either a slam design error or the someone else's design error that it didn't operate as specified. It was clearly delineated on the plans how the sequence of operation was supposed to

019work with this elevator. >> Yeah, I think I I think I vaguely know what you're referring to, but I don't think it's the whole whole, you know, situation. I know the elevator >> there's two separate there's two situations here. One, the doors at the end of central office office cuz people could come off the elevator and just walk in the school. that was brought up years a two years ago before the school was even being built that we have a security vulnerability there but slam kabashion and said we couldn't do we couldn't make a change at this point so now we're late in the game we have to make a change and now we got to eat the cost of that >> the elevator is a separate issue which was on the plans there's a

020there's a sequence of operation that's supposed to happen and coordination between the elevator contractor and the access control guy was supposed to happen If they didn't do their coordination and catch this earlier, I don't think we should be on the hook for paying a $48,000 bill for something that was a design error. Yeah. Again, I want to pull you back just because the elevator parts a $5,000 cost out of the whole $38,000 cost. What's not included and was never included in the design was the enhancement of the door hardware and the fire alarm access control. I understand your point for the elevator, but I think it all kind of works hand in hand. I wasn't a part of it at the time, but if Slam had squashed it at that point in time and it

021was too late to implement it, you know, into the job, anything after that, obviously, you know, that's why you're seeing a cost if that kind of helps explain it. But I I do understand your position with it. >> Mike, I could add some some added flavor to this. Um >> Oh, I didn't even see you, Kevin. >> Yeah, I just I just joined. I was I guess I had the wrong link, so I'm joining late. Apologize for that. Uh so yes, you're right that the specs spec calls for coordination between the access control and the elevator contractor. I think that was done. I think where the the missing piece was that in order to get the true functionality as as we needed it to be, there was another keypad that or card reader that needed

022to be put into the cab itself. That's part of what PR85 has in it in the scope. But as Mike has said, the majority of PR85 is added hardware on those doors. 4,000 in the doors going into stair number one, plus signage to instruct users on how to, you know, how to expect those doors to operate. >> Well, this was brought up before the building was even built. And according to SLAM, it it couldn't have been done. >> Well, there is a code requirement that does not permit delayed egress hardware in educational occupancies. That's probably why we said that. Um, but we had a conversation with the building official and the fire marshal prior to issuing PR85 and they accepted this unique case to allow it for those doors. Okay, that's our argument. Should have

023been done long ago. I don't see why the board of edge or ED's committee should be should hit be hit with this one. >> Well, at least maybe not the part that has to do with the wiring. I mean, you know, maybe Mike can take a look at it, you know. I mean, we if there's a carveout for for the board of ed not having to cover some of it, then that should be carved out in my opinion. But I don't know anything about this kind of stuff. Glenn's really the expert. >> I'm not really an expert, but I just know we just call >> we we brought this up before the building was even being built as far as, you know, access to that fourth floor. >> Someone can come off the elevator and

024they can go left and they're into the school. It follows a different security protocol with someone coming in through the main entrance. and it was brought up and it was ignored and >> poo pooed by everybody at the table >> and here we are here we are two days later and now it's going to cost us what 50 48,000 what was this one I >> I don't think it was ignored Glenn it was >> I don't I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to I mean the door when you first enter vestibule 1016 there's only one way to go either out back outside or or up the elevator No, I'm talking about in the fourth floor >> because the sequence of operation was someone gets it buzzed in through the intercom, they hit the call

025button. That call button is only going to allow them go to the fourth floor. Someone coming off that elevator can just take a lefthand turn without checking in and they're into the school. That was a problem. >> So, are there mag are there mag locks at the end of that hallway? The >> door there are. Well, there are now with this PR5 because like I said, the code does not permit delayed egress hardware in educational occupancies, but we got a special exception during toward the tail end of construction, >> right? We could have got the exception early on if it was Okay, I'm not going to beat it that horse. Go on, move on. I said my piece. >> Well, done. >> Anyways, right, guys? I mean, this is we're we're looking at this stuff's

026ordered and it's being installed. I mean, I agree this has been a conversation for quite some time and we've been hearing on the board of ed side that this we were not aware of the 48,000. We were aware there was a card reader that was backordered. So, I'm a little surprised to see that it was 50 grand, but at this point, to Glenn's point, it doesn't sound like there's much room to discuss this. It's already been approved and it's happening. >> Well, I I'm okay with it, too. I think Mike, I I would like to have you I very rarely say much, but take a take a hotter look and see if it's allocated properly. I I don't understand it. I don't think anybody else on the on the on the on the call understands

027it and you're probably the only person that fully understands it besides Glenn and maybe Jeff, I don't know. But, you know, if there if there is a carve out for something that we're probably not responsible for, that should be at least, you know, presented in my opinion. But I, you know, I'm only one one vote. So >> yeah, I guess just for my my point is when I do submit these change orders, they obviously go to Kemp's group first. And, you know, this one specifically goes to their consultant, you know, their their communication AV consultant, technology consultant as well, you know, and they and they had looked at this and we had made a couple, you know, revisions along the way that they had felt, you know, were were appropriate to make and, you know,

028this is the final final, you know, document, per se. Well, yeah, but going to Chem's group isn't what I meant because if they if they put this together, you know, it's that Well, you know what? You know what I'm saying? I mean, >> yeah. No, I I get it, Gary. I get >> I mean, I think there should be a little more oversight on this one. It's a lot of money. So, maybe we can I don't know. I know Ed won't be happy with this, but do we have to if it's being done, we have to do something. But, you know, it's one of those things that if it goes back to, and I'm not I'm not blaming Slam, but if it's going back to Slam for for them to explain what what may have

029gone wrong, um, you know, maybe we should look a little harder at it because I do know Glenn knows more than most of us and I don't know about Jeff, but it's a lot of money. So >> I will say that there was also added or added camera investigial 1016 as part of that scope as well which was not in the original documents and that was you know that was part of added cameras that were that were put in the building. You know after getting into the building and occupying it and realizing there were a couple of spots that they wanted some additional observation for. that being one. And then there were door contacts put on the door from stair one on the first floor into the vestibule in the event that um a student

030you know decided to go out that way that security would be alerted and so these things were added to >> well not everything >> improve the security. Well, I'll just ask one more then I'll get off. But so Kemp, you're saying this is all on us. Is it has nothing to do with design? >> I know I know things were added, but those things that were added, we should pay for the things that were mistakenly designed or not designed properly, I think should be taken out of it. But I don't know if there if there is anything. So I'll let you say yes, there is or no, there isn't. And then I guess we can move on. Like I said, I think there was one key card reader that should have been in the cab

031that was added to get the full functionality out of the sequence of operations that was in the spec. >> Okay. How much was that? >> I don't know what the breakout is of that. It's kind of intermingled with with access control in in Kone A because they once access control brings the drop to the elevator trough and then the elevator guy takes it from there and plugs it into their controller. But yeah, it's I don't have an exact breakout of how much it was >> said that the elevator piece of this was five grand. So it sounds like the elevator piece of this there's nothing there's no fire fire department integration required or fire alarm stuff on the elevator. That stuff would already be in place. So the five grand for the elevator sounds like

032legitimately that was already in the scope of work. So if it just didn't get done, why is it in a change order? >> Cuz the card reader in the cab was never specified to go in the cab. So now once they're already done and with their work and they're they've left sight, you know, for them to come back and, you know, assist the access control guy to to get the card reader in the cab, that's an extra that's what they're hitting us for essentially. >> I got you. I just heard Kemp say that it was designed for the se this was required for the sequence of operations and the sequence of operations were in the plans. So not not a construction guy. Obviously I'm a computer guy by trade, but there's got to be some

033back and forth on that unless there's some rule I'm not aware of. But if it was on the plans for the sequence of operations and the vendors didn't deliver the sequence of operations. I mean usually there's that's a gap and there's a gap there somehow. If we provided the sequence, how is that gap on Torington Public Schools part? If you really if you remember Kemp and and Mike and Mario, we had a problem with Coney. They they could do it because it was it was not a a state regulation. So, we had to switch something to get the fire marshal and the building inspector to approve certain things that the state would not approve. >> Yeah, I don't understand. I I'm going to leave it there. I I understand. I don't understand but I'm not

034this I don't understand this process anyway the system >> I can do I know I can do more with uh Kemp and and Mike and get back to you at the next meeting. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um we'll move on to the last three here. It's um 722 R1. It's an owner cost of $51,357. Um at the time of bid, we had assigned the water source for you know the abatement and demolition purposes you know with the expectation that you know we were able to use water from the existing building or you know a local fire hydrant to you know help for dust control or any purposes for abatement and and demolition that you know we need to do by code. Um you know prior to the start of abatement

035and demolition you know we had reviewed this water source assignment with you know Aquarion and and Torington water company and you know they had said you know we don't want you guys to pull you know the amount of water that you know you're telling us that you know you need for all these abatement and and demolition activities you know off the city main because of its you know due to the project's location in the loop they didn't want to pull too much water from you know residents upstream of the site. Um, again, we had to, you know, react quickly. We had a building to take down to make room for, you know, a parking lot and and and everything else. So, we had our contractor haul in two frack tanks, um, you know, with pumps

036and accessories and and water hauling costs from a local pool company, um, you know, to assist in their operations. Um, the pool company was allowed to fill the water up at a at a location within the city that was acceptable to Aquarion and Torington Water Company. Um, so what this cost is really inclusive of is, you know, two frack takes on rental for I think it was two or three months. um you know with the pumps that needed to pump up the pressure and accessories, everything that they need in order to get water out of those tanks to um you know assist in their their abatement and and demolition activities and along with the hauling invoices that um you know we got from the pool company >> and to I can comment quick sadly I've

037dealt with aquarium in Torington. And it took me a year to extend the water line 70 ft and to tie it into a house. If it was Torington Water Company, it wouldn't have been a big deal. But aquariums just they're just awful. >> Yeah. It was really bad news to get when we were, you know, a month away from starting, you know, demoing abatement. We're like, you guys can't do this. We're like, okay, well, >> it would it would have taken a year. >> Yeah. Mike, it just had my curiosity because I I work for a water utility. How how much water did you like how many thousand gallons did you use? Like 5,000 more or less? >> Oh, that's a good question, Joe. Right. >> Yeah. Just out of curio just because I don't

038know. I I understand the the area with the police station being close by, a lot of residents, the school, like all that. Um Oliver, I just I don't know. >> I'm curious myself. I could find out. >> I I find it hard to believe that you would have used that much water where they told you no. I mean, we we we get those calls almost daily for same purpose that you're doing. So, I don't know. Just curious, that's all. >> Yeah, I'll follow up on that. I don't know the exact number, but it'd be good to Well, they did uh you know, I was on that project probably 8 to 12 hours a day and they were p pushing water all over the place, especially when I were uh demoing. They were making sure that

039the water in the hitting the building and all of that stuff, but that there was a lot of water that's was being used and we'll check out the number of gallons. >> It it would be a lot because the asbestous the asbestous dust >> you have to you can't let it get into the air. But accordians, accordion is just they're thieves. Nothing like Connecticut water, right, Joe? >> No, no, we're we're top tier. We are. >> Yeah. Those those trucks they would have used, you know, the Rapid Dairy or any of those guys, those are like four to four to 6,000 gallon trucks per load. So, I mean, that's >> to give you an idea, Joe, you're you're not talking about 5,000 gallons here. Those those holding tanks were I'm going to guess 15 to

04020,000 gallons. I mean, they were huge, weren't they? I drove by. >> They were pretty big. Yeah, that was my next that was my next I didn't know how big the frack tanks were. I I didn't wasn't really considered I forgot about the asbestous and that definitely requires a lot more water. So, >> yeah, that's hard. >> Yeah, I think I could compare it to like a single wide office trailer. That's pretty much the size of them. They're pretty big. Probably a 12 by 56, something like that. So, they hold a lot of water though. But >> yeah, >> um PCO745. This was a trade allowance number 21. we had assigned to the flooring contractor for about 10,000 square feet of water vapor reduction system um based on the specification. We didn't use the allowance

041um fully. Um so $48,999 is being returned to the project. Um PCO749 is a CM cost of 14 uh $1,439. This is the last uh fireproofing patching cost uh we're seeing on the project. So next month in February, we'll be able to close them out because that is the last change order for them. So >> thanks. >> That is all. >> Yeah. Could I have a motion to approve uh PCOS's one through six? >> Can you with the with the uh set aside that you're going to look into the uh Yeah. >> elevator further? >> Yep. >> I don't know how to word that. Maybe Donna knows how to word that. I don't. So moved, I guess. >> Okay. Second. >> I'll second it. Pat. Pat. >> Discussion. All in favor? >> I >> a

042question. Is the motion to approve them all except the elevator one or to approve them all? >> Uh we uh to get the elevator for April, we'll have to approve them all. We will give them we will uh next month we will do a report camp will do a report physical report for sequence of operation and and the code that was uh that was not permitted but we got a uh an allocation from this fire marshal and the building inspector. But if we don't approve the uh that nothing will be done and we'll have the same operation. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Okay. All in favor? >> I opposed. Okay. Uh for the good of the order, anybody want to uh say things? Just say it out loud. I can't say who's going to

043say it. So, >> I have a quick question if I could, Ed. >> Yeah. >> Um, I was at our at our board of ed budget meeting last night. We saw there were portable bleachers um in the budget and I was wondering if anybody had any idea what was going on with the I thought those were in the state Eversource credit. I thought we were trying to buy all those bleachers out of that money. I was surprised to see them in the board of ed budget. I thought maybe you guys might have an update on what that list of items was looking like. Yeah, that that was one of the list of portables, but we do not know yet because we're going out to bid for the concession stand in March. Uh and we want

044approval by city council in April. So, we don't know what the price of the concession stand will be. If if it if it's within reason, then the first item that we want to purchase is the additional uh auto auto shop uh lift and then the uh uh uh portable bleaches. >> Who's going out to bid for the concession stand? >> Yes, we say say that again. >> Who's bidding the concession stands? >> Well, the city is going out to bid. I gave them eight to 10 biders and then the city will put it in the paper so anybody who's a GC can bid it. >> Is it is it going to be a PLA or is it um open shop or is it >> I don't I don't care about this union. >> It's it's

045going to be you know you have to meet the uh requirements of of pay because it's more than uh $100,000. >> But it's going to be union. Okay. You don't need >> Well, it's non-union can bid on it as long as they meet the of the uh uh payroll. >> It won't present. We'll be out of the union will be out of there by then. It won't cause a problem. >> Nope. Nope. >> All right. I'm just asking. No, we're ask >> No. No. They should be out. Yeah. >> So, that's the that's the situation. Hopefully, >> I guess it's a city problem anyway. So, >> Yeah. Yeah. Any other questions or comments or >> Yeah, I do. Ed. >> Yeah, >> this is Armen. I just want to say some some good news. Uh

046the lift was moved today. I didn't see the final inst installation, but it was moved. A lot of good conversation. Dean was very helpful. Mario was very helpful. Uh the auto shop teacher was very helpful. Um and um sounds like things are going well down in the auto shop and things are coming together. So, a lot of positive, a lot of good stuff. >> Thank you, Ed. >> No, thanks. >> And hopefully we'll get that other uh uh lift in by the by the summer. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Any other comments? Next meeting, uh, March 19th, they'll be at time for school. Uh, I'll be back. Sorry, I had a take a vacation with my wife or else uh wouldn't hear the end of it. So, >> smart move, Ed. Smart move. >> Yeah.

047Yeah. So, thanks for everybody getting on board. Uh, I appreciate it. Uh, uh, Ellen and Kathy couldn't make it, so that's why I sent out the other notes. So, appreciate it everybody. Stay healthy and and safe. Thanks for everybody. Appreciate it. Have a good night. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Oh yeah. Thank you. Okay, Donna. >> That's what that's why you get the big bucks, Donna. >> Yeah. Second from Armen. Armen. Armen.

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