001Billstein >> here. >> June John Green. >> He may he may join us. >> He may join that. I'd like to um the meeting minutes were sent out yesterday. I was like to have a motion to have them approved. >> A second. >> Moved. >> Second. I have a vote, please. Margaret, the motion passed. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Bill and he's going to fill us in on the fiscal year 2026 27 operating budget. Um, and that's just an update from the town council finance committee. >> Yes. Well, we we presented our our uh budget to the town council finance committee on Monday night and uh they actually vote on it uh May 4th, I believe that is Margaret, >> that's correct. >> Well, no, it's somewhat connect correct. The finance
002committee will vote on it on the 29th, but that's a recommendation to the full council >> and then full council will vote on May 4th. >> Okay. Thank you. So far there is no there's no changes in any of the budget that we presented originally. I think I recall seeing it published in the Trimble Times or maybe online [clears throat] the entire town budget. Okay. Does anybody have any questions or we'll move on? Bill is going to give us an update on the Holly Lane pump station. And this is the this is the one on the Westfield property, right, Bill? >> No, this is the one on the the Holy Lane Mall property. It's actually different. >> Oh, it's on Holy Lane. [cough and clears throat] Um, yeah. So I have the the final the
003design report from uh Titanbond. Um they seem to be you know they they've confirmed the design flows and all that kind of design. Um they they laid out a very sophisticated pump station. This pump station, the average daily flow over the past three years is only about 2600 gallons a day. Um, [clears throat] which prompted me to to reach out to Smith and Love Lace Pumps that the original manufacturer of the original pump station. And the one of the problems that this pump station has, the current pump station has is that it's a vacuum vacuum prime and the recess pumps make it a OSHA an OSHA confined space entry problem. Um, and that's what I was trying to get away from. Um, so I did reach out to Smith and Love Lace and um there
004is a there is a way to rectify this and make it so it's not a confined space entry with a pump that's uh uh reasonably cost and reasonable conversion and easy an easier um an easier construct. It would be as simple as taking a prefabed unit and setting it in place um on top of the existing structure. Well, um, the one of the one of the issues that we have to rec well wrestle with is that it's a 20 it's a 24-we lead time, but basically six months. >> Um, and the cost is plus or minus $156,000 plus the installation. So, I want I want to put together a bid document for the um pump station for the construction part of it. Um [clears throat] we could probably do it with on call on our
005on call list might be cheaper, but I think that for simplicity it probably should go out to bid anyway. That's where I stand with that is just another step. Uh I could show you my I could show you the what the pump station would look like and what it looks like now. Want [clears throat] me to share or Margaret just to note John Green has joined the um meeting. >> Thank you. So, let me share my screen quickly just so you get guys get a visual what I'm talking about. And where is my share? Let me see if I can make this bigger. [sighs] So currently, if you can see my cursor here, >> yes, >> the the the station's approximately like this, which means that the pumps are actually below grade, which makes it
006a confined space entry problem. I want to convert it to this one on the left where the pumps are a concrete section of uh pre-cast is put in place, raised it up, steel plate put over the top and the pumps connect right to the existing pumps, right to the existing force mane. Uh this is the same manufacturer that is that did the original station in 1986. they actually still had the records. So, that's what I'm looking at. I think that's probably the most economical way to go. Um, Titan Bond's rough cost of the station was over a million dollars and I don't think that we want to saddle a that kind of put that kind of money into this station. I think this is a cheaper way to go. Yeah, I think it's a great
007idea. >> Yeah, long as you're satisfied that it meets the requirements. >> Well, I'm still working on putting it all together, but uh that's I think the the the um the actual way we should approach this. And we'll we'll still have to figure out how we're going to pay for all this in the out in the in the long term, but uh that's another qu another another conversation. >> Will this be the smallest station in Trumble? >> So this will this is the smallest station in Trumble. This is right behind Scenic. >> Yep. So, Bill, are you saying that the choice is between a $1 million expense or 156,000 expense? >> Well, the 156,000 doesn't include installation. So, you know, it's it's not that's not an all-in price, but uh >> Mhm. >> you know,
008it's I mean, if you look at like what we did roughly at um tree foil, >> if you remember that emergency repair we did, some of that kind of same kind of work would have to be done here. Um, I think you're in the probably the $200,000 range on top of the $150,000. >> Still onethird of the >> Yeah. >> Well, alternative, right? Okay. And the uh the the longevity of it is >> well it's this this been this has been operating since 1986. So I think 40 years. I mean life life the life cycle of a pump station is probably 50 years you know and uh in case anything enlarged around the shopping center or something. How much would this pump be capable of pumping? Right now, you're sitting 2600. >> Oh, so so
009it's that five. So it's you remember the 5.6 that we talked about the peaking factor. >> So if you if you add the 5.6 to the >> multiply the 5.6 6 times the 2600, it'd be capable of, you know, 15,000 roughly. >> Okay, good. >> So, I mean, it it's it does have room for growth and I'm sure that they could probably upsize motors, too. So, >> makes sense. [clears throat] >> That's all I got for Holly at the moment. I just wanted to give you an update on that >> if if I may. Um Christine Kurtz is one of the attendees. >> Could we ask Phil to promote her to a panelist? >> Bill, could you promote Christine Curts that's in the audience? >> All set. >> Thank you. Um, the next item I
010have for discussion is the Wildwood pump station. Um, we we're doing a final uh upgrade meeting, final design upgrade meeting on Monday, the 27th at 9:00. And if anybody's interested, they're welcome to attend. >> Sorry, she declined the um Okay, that's fine. Thank you. Uh and Frank, you're you're you're invited or any of the the commissioners would like to attend. Uh will be with Arcadus going over the final design. >> That'd be in your office. >> It be on my office uh on Monday at 9:00. We met once already on this on the preliminary design 20% design. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So, this is this is going to be the final design. Are these construction documents or are they 50% design documents? >> No, they're they're construction docs. [clears throat] >> So, this will
011go this will go out to bid soon. >> Yes. I hope. I hope. >> Sooner the better. Yes. >> Don't want any overflow in Bruce's backyard there, you know. >> Yeah. Gonna have to have to maintain a hundred um portaotties. Um [laughter] >> Well, you'd also have to you you got to remember there's a couple schools that go into that, too. So, we'd have probably cancel school. >> Kids will love you. They'll name the school after you. >> All right. Bill. Uh, Bill, can you take the um Stop sharing the screen. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> And I forget, Bill, what was the budget on that? Wow. What? A million and a half, >> I believe. So, something like that. >> Okay. On Holly, you said there's a six-month lead times. What about
012Wildwood? anything like that or will it be >> I'm sure there's going to be lead time on that too, but not the um not as long a lead time. Um and you know, it was funny because when we did reservoir in Oldtown, um they sat up in our Indian Ledge yard for a year before before they got ready to be put in. >> Well, that's cuz you were waiting on the electrical panels. >> Yes, we're waiting on the transformers and electrical panels. So, is the uh supply chain issue with electrical panels over? >> Um, you got me. >> I guess we'll find out. >> We'll find out is for sure. >> Yeah. But I think that that was all the printed circuit boards and all that was affecting more than just pump stations. >> Yes.
013>> All right. Anybody have any other questions for Bill? So, so if this go I have one last question, Bill. If this goes out to bid, you'll try to start construction in the summer. >> Uh yeah, I mean the sooner the better. I mean, you know, like you said, the just probably ordering the pumps and the control panels. There's a lot of submitts and long lead items. Um, you don't want to be on bypass um until you're ready to go. >> Right. Of course. >> So, so depending on how long it takes to pull that together will determine when you break ground. I don't think you want to >> start construction in the winter. >> Okay. We're now we're now going to go to new business. And Bill, first before you speak, can you explain
014what a willserve letter is for Hillrest Middle School? >> So willserve letter is a letter saying that we will provide sanitary sewer connection for your facility. We already have one. We already have one. We will continue to serve it. So this is going to be a new connection. The school's moving, right? >> Yeah. School is gonna be the school the school is going to stay the existing school will be staying and you know operating until they construct a new one. Then the school will be demoed. >> It may not be demoed right away because they talked about using it as swing space for maybe some other schools. Uh it's going to be demoed uh pretty promptly according to the architect's uh plan. So Bill needs an authorization motion for us to authorize him to draft
015this letter. So if anybody has any questions, please ask them. If not, can I have a motion authorizing Bill to draft the will serve letter? >> So moved. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> A vote, please. >> Margaret, the motion passed unanimously. >> Thank you. So, old business. Um, we need going to discuss the sanitary sewer connection request from an eastern resident. Uh, I think we had decided um last meeting to postpone it so that [clears throat] Mr. Nent could research what what could be done to if we did allow the connection to prevent that properties from ever changing use to multif family or commercial or whatever because only a tiny sliver of the property is in Trumble. The the the house and majority of the land is in Easton. So, I think Jim,
016I don't know if you want to talk to her or not, but I think it came down that it was it wasn't a sure bet to put it in layman's terms that you could draft such an agreement um that would only allow this connection to be used for res a single resident home. Is that correct? >> Yeah. I mean, the way I I think I expressed it was that there was a more likely than not, but not an ironclad guarantee, but that was one of many factors um that I looked at. Um and my advice has been, you know, not to do it. I understand that John has proposed something um as a uniform policy. I don't know if that the commission wants to discuss that at all, but I would need some time to
017work up some appropriate language. I'm not prepared to do that tonight. >> Well, John, why don't you discuss what we discussed about that proposal because we're we're we're we're addressing these adjoining town requests to look into our system on an ad hoc basis. Um they're becoming more and more with the um affordable housing rules in Connecticut. It's you know what we think is zoned residential could could one day easily pop up as um multif family and impact our system which is already stressed in my opinion. Um >> I think there's somewhat of a a more fundamental issue that that has changed here. Um, in the past, uh, first of all, our contract with Bridgeport, I understand, and Bill can confirm this. Um, unfortunately, I couldn't find my copy of the contract, does not permit us
018to take in waste from outside the town. So, every occasion where this happens has to involve, in essence, a waiver from from Bridgeport. And in the past, Bridgeport um took that um directly from the homeowner or whoever was making the request. They would go to Bridgeport. Bridgeport would hear their case and then tell us whether they thought a waiver was was appropriate. They would grant the waiver or they wouldn't. Um, they've changed that [clears throat] where we now have to, and uh, Bill may have the exact language of the contract, but they're enforcing the exact language of the contract that in essence says we have to go to them and request a waiver. And the more I thought about that, the more I think that becomes problematic because in essence, what we're having to do
019would be to go to another town and make representations on behalf of a res a non-resident of Trumble. Uh, and I'm not sure we're even within our scope of responsibilities and authority to even do that. Um it seems to me that um that that that change fundamentally changes the relationship here and it may well be that we want to adopt or look into a policy that says we just can't do it. Uh we our contract says we don't handle out of town waste and that we shouldn't be representing um non-residents because our our charter is strictly from the town of Trumbull um to make requests otherwise. So my sense is that we should be looking seriously at a policy that says, and I I feel badly for some people who this may affect, but that
020we should be looking at a policy that says that we cannot accept applications for the processing of out of town waste. >> I agree. >> So with that, I don't know if we need a motion, but I I I think we should postpone this until um Mr. Nan has time to draft the language that we can review at the next meeting and then vote on it and adopt it as a policy. Um >> mindful that >> Go ahead, John. >> I have a question. I know in the past we've [clears throat] had issues like this. Can someone apply to something and then have a policy done after their application and apply to their application? >> I don't see why not. Would it's discretionary to begin with. >> It's not we have a policy allowing it.
021So, >> John, and I think part of the issue here is that as I said, this is a a in essence a new policy that Bridgeport implemented um a few months back. I don't even know whether there's an exact date where we were notified that of this new policy. Um and essentially that triggers our response. We have not adopted a policy in response but I think that is the trigger point that uh where we have to decide whether we're going to uh to to take on this responsibility and liability of uh you know making these requests for on behalf of non-residents to Bridgeport. And I I I really think the answer should be no. >> Oh, I I completely agree. I just want to make certain we're not doing something and opening up a door
022to someone. >> That's a fair, but I you know, we we're not adopting a policy that changes some prior policy. As I see it, this is, you know, what we're going to do going forward with anything. There's no assurance for anybody out of town that they could connect Um >> yes. So, so, so the obvious conclusion to be drawn from that is if we do vote on this policy, then the connection would not be allowed. And I think the homeowner needs to know that because it's early spring and she's going to have to put in a septic system. You may want to start sooner rather than later. Um, >> there are many people in trouble with septic systems. They have to replace them. >> We went through that before you joined. Some part of town
023in the Nicholls area wanted us to connect them. Christine pointed out that that was originally considered a long time ago and it was just too expensive to put the system in. Mhm. >> Remember we also had that meeting at Frenchtown that time where we took a big poll and um the majority was opposed. Yeah, there were people in favor of connecting but more were >> it it was about 40 to 60 40% were in favor. A handful were very much in favor because they anticipated problems. >> Um the majority however was against. Um we actually voted to move forward with the design. Um and then the pandemic came and design co the you know projected costs went through the roof. Um in fact I we we voted to withdraw that um that that proceeding forward
024with the project. And in fact uh I drafted a letter we sent to the owners of the neighborhood saying look this thing's coming in way over what we told you we thought the costs were going to be. And uh I we to my knowledge did not get a single objection after that letter went out >> once people once once people started seeing yeah you know 40 $50,000 costs um on the assessments uh I I think it became pretty obvious what the answer was going to be. >> The the other part of that was they needed the roads paved and they didn't want to we didn't want to um pave it and then tear them up to install it. So we had to get the sequence correct on the vote there. >> Yeah, that allowed the
025pro the paving to go forward on per plan, >> right? >> And not wait for us. >> So [clears throat] and like I said, the objections disappeared when the money went up. >> Sure. [clears throat] >> So So what do we need to do today? I mean, I I think Jim needs >> I think I think we need we need a motion to postpone this and and for um instruct Mr. Nent to draft language to develop a policy to deny uh to address this and all future applications from non-residents. >> Yeah. Okay. >> They'll work on it. >> All right. [clears throat] And then so move to delay uh pending Jim's uh Jim's coming back in the next meeting. >> Second. >> John seconded. Margaret have a vote. >> Motion passed. That was easy meeting.
026Hopefully the Giants will do good in the draft tomorrow. >> They got two early picks. >> Yeah. For that pick. >> Yeah, they traded the best defensive player in the league. second pick. >> Saquon Barkley all over again. >> Well, that mean what that means is that they're not going to be very good for the next few years. So, get get trade the guy while he's still got high values and planned for, you know, three years down the line. [clears throat] >> Tonight we have go Yankees. >> Hey, I'm a Red Sox fan. >> I can tell. I [laughter] can see your background. Red Sox lost last night. >> Fact. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I just came I was just at Fenway on Saturday. They they they were awful. The Yankees are probably not
027threatened right now. >> All right, guys. >> This is all going into the minutes here. So, >> that's right. >> All right. So, um no further business. Call for a motion to adjourn. Adjourn. >> So moved. >> A second. Please. Second >> vote Margaret. Motion passed. Good night all. We'll see you next month. >> Good night.