001should have did that. >> There you go. >> Anyone just push us and everybody else. >> All right. So, I have a couple questions. First of all, where is this operation? >> Pepper's property. Bill Pepper property right on the torington town line. >> Pepper's property right on town line next to where Ham used to be. Right. >> Yes. >> There was pepper in here. Okay, I'm good. Thank you. >> Mark place right next to it. >> All right. So, what's the property being used for now? >> Right now, it's just it's we bought it as the quarry to re to reactivate the query. Right now, there's just some storage on the property. >> There's not some ice coming in and out of there. >> There's A lot of I asked is I see a lot
002of dual >> Yeah. There's there's a there's some containers on the property there and there's there's a couple of different trucks that come and go at various times. Yes. >> Okay. >> But that obviously that's not going to be continued. That's all going away as of once we get approval for this. >> Now the uh permit about the special permit the sign. How long was that sign up for? quite a while >> because I went by a week or so ago here and it's not there. >> I mean it I was I came from our last one. I put it I put it onto that instead of turning. You didn't really put it down at that site. >> So it was up you know I got it from from uh Shane and then put the
003sign up. >> Uh >> so is it up now? I I didn't go back. I didn't stop over there on the way there. I never put up what? >> It's not up now. It wasn't up a week ago. >> This is all the stuff that happened before you. Correct. >> What's that? >> This all happened before you. Correct. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> Special permit sign for public hearing. >> Just for public hearing. Sorry. >> Okay. I don't recall the sign. Okay. >> Oh, for the public hearing, right? >> Click down. Click down people and then mute them. >> I keep muting. Hey Clint, you're you're connected twice and because of that I'm getting feedback from one of your screens. So I I've got you muted on one, but we can we should
004be able to hear you on the other. >> Okay. All right. >> So you're good. Yeah. Just leave it the way it is. >> Okay. >> All right. So you've changed you made some changes to your map >> and that's to uh go along with what the engineer suggested. Right. >> Right. Yeah. We've incorporated all their they looked at our drainage and sediment analysis. We've incorporated any of their comments. We also responded to the planning comments uh in writing. >> And I think in the comments here you said you're only going to open three acres at a time, >> right? Yeah, we agree to the requirement. It doesn't show that on the map. So >> I we figured that would be like a condition in the order of conditions which will be then put on
005the map when we do the final file. >> So some of this property has already been clear of trees and stuff from when Gordon had >> correct >> and I think the upper four acres and the phase four and phase three a treated right now. >> Yeah. Three four are absolutely not touched. Yeah. Those are all fully. You're not going to clear the trees off of them until you touch them. >> Absolutely not. >> It just creates more of a problem for us too with [snorts] sedimentation and all that stuff if there was just cuz we wouldn't be working up there for quite some time. So >> So when do you plan to start working down there? >> Uh we've got a lot of leg work to do. We've got we got piles of material
006to get out of there. We've got to build the structures and stuff like that, but relatively soon. We have to we're in the process right now of clearing some uh yardage in our recycle yard so we can start bringing in the Corey equipment that's going to be on the site because the site is so tight there's not a lot of stuff. So we'reightight we're be moving some things from toring into Windet and back and forth in the beginning and so we can get a little bit more area exposed. >> So anything else you want to tell us? Um well we did you know there was the uh separation distance waivers uh requirements uh we asked for waiverss on those because >> theing property >> they're the abuing property owners so there's no >> okay is
007all right that's just on the sign >> yeah that's kind of on the north the northeast side north and northeast side >> right uh so we asked for those waiverss we agreed to three acres at a time We show on sheet SP2 of the set the fixed and mobile equipment. There will be no trailer. When I say fixed equipment, probably I mean like a conveyor and a, you know, stuff that's not going to move that often. Kind of a crusher, that type of thing. There will be other mobile equipment and there will be a a water tanker truck and a sweeper >> to manage any of the sediment. Obviously, we have anti-tracking pads and all the normal erosion control stuff. >> So, I have a question about the sorder. >> Yeah, >> it's supposed to
008be 100 ft from the boundary line >> fixed equipment. >> Uh, we can move it if it's if it's farther than the sorder's in the middle. >> They're all mobile. That's all mobile equipment. All this is mobile. Yeah, all of this is mobile. I >> I was I was just looking at the It's tight. Yeah, >> I understand that they don't have much room. >> I see the sorders there. >> Uh you got your crusher over on the left and stuff, >> but the sorder is going to have conveyors coming out of it, right? >> It's going to Yes. >> So, it's going to create pie >> and there there there's some some of the conveyors are part of the sorder. Some of them then get onto an extended, you know, a conveyor as well.
009>> I was just wonder worrying about the sorder the piles of materials running into the uh setbacks for the property line. So close. >> Well, that's what Well, if if you like where where it shows like this fuel the fueling area on the property, >> there's a quite a large pile of material there. Now, >> right there material that we've got to remove to from the site in order to make some make a workable, you know, usable area. >> Will will these will some of these things move? Yes, they will. depending on how the operation goes, the volumes, the different types of materials that we make, they may get shifted around to the property, but duly noted about any kind of, you know, setbacks and stuff. >> Yeah. So, I was worried about the shorter
010being down there, the conveyors, the the piles it makes, and you're going to be running close to the 100 foot wetlands boundary and you're get and you're close to the setback. this there's a lot of the material that we we're going to be taking out of here is going to be delivered to Torington quarry torington recycle yard because we we can't crush and make huge piles here because then our operations over >> so we've got to get and so it's going to be a tricky operation especially since the sedimentation basin got got enlarged so big and stuff so it's going to be a lot of a lot of maneuvering of equipment it's going to be a tight site for quite a while >> and when you say the Torington area what what is that area.
011>> We have a just over the border in Torington. We have a recycle yard >> across the street from South. >> There's a big there's a material recycle yard there with rock >> way out back. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's out. You can't really see it from the road. >> And so we'll be using that area for a lay down for some of the equipment as well as some of the material that we generate. Some some of the larger stuff in the beginning will go in steel body trucks down to quarry 2 and be crushed down there in order just to create us some more space. 42 >> in Torington across from Lowe's. >> Okay. So, these are all Danny Stolenber. Okay. >> Yep. I just happened to be one my name on the application. >>
012Okay. So, you're doing it for D. >> Yes. >> Okay. [laughter] Okay. I'm good. Thank you. >> I was sort of lost. >> You're up [clears throat] for speed now. >> Yes. >> Well, if they use the right names. Yes. Um, I think that's pretty close to the end of my questions and the blasting. Um, now what's what's the how does the blasting work? What do you what do you got to do? Because on the original contract, I'm sorry, >> the reason I'm getting to this. Yeah. >> Is original pepper >> permit, there was eight people, I believe it was, that signed a petition and they were supposed to be notified all the time under the original pepper permit about blasting. >> Is that what you're looking for? >> There we go. Um, >> let's
013see. to notify those individual individuals whose names appear on the petition dated 4402. Now, nobody can seem to find the petition. [laughter] >> Same thing with our plans originally. >> Yeah. So, we do subcontract out our our blasting out typically the Bay State blasting. They have a whole program and [clears throat] that they do notifications to if they they'll also do pre-blast surveys of certain, you know, certain structures and proximity to the to the blast thing. But they follow all the state all the state regulations and guidelines. >> These are in the original pepper permit. Yeah, for some reason they didn't come this time. I don't know why. Maybe the notification process has changed. No newspapers. Maybe that's why they're not here. >> Thought there was a notification. >> Yeah. Uh there no local newspapers
014that notifications for Torington were just to the city of Torington, not to all the neighbors. So it also says a pre- blast survey uh to be conducted on houses of those individuals. Now your blasting company will >> Yeah, the blasting company does because we do the same thing down at Corey too in Torington. We have a certain distance from the quarry. You you do you do foundation inspections and things pre pre-blast surveys >> and and the fire marshals all everyone's always notified. The town officials are always notified on each you know when blasting is occurring and stuff. the road gets, you know, everything gets kind of stopped for a minute and stuff like that. And >> do you notify the neighbors? >> What's that? >> Do you not? >> Oh, yeah. Yep. >> So, when
015he just said they're within a certain distance, are those people within that certain distance for him to notify or are they outside? >> They're in Torington. Actually, >> state regulations within 250 ft of the property boundary, >> okay, of the site to be blasted. So whoever's in 250 ft will will be subject to uh they'll have the opportunity to have a prelast survey. >> Okay. >> And then they'll be >> So that'll be Dave Corey. >> Well based on the fe phase because they're only working phase one. It won't be the whole property. >> It won't be the whole boundary. Phase one is only notifying the people. >> Is it the property boundary or the blast site? I thought it was >> I'm not sure what the regulation requires. That's a that's a fire marshall
016regulation. That is >> I thought it was the property line. I'm not sure >> either way. >> And the last thing contractor also uh signs the roadways in front and alongside the property when that's going on. So everybody is aware, even if they're just driving through, you know, that this is going to occur. They usually say, you know, turn off your two-way radios and stuff. Those are normal signage. It's just first time around there were these special conditions, but the neighbors and I'm just a little concerned that they weren't here this time. So, >> well, that was in 2020 2002. >> Yeah, >> it was 24 years ago. So, >> we don't even know, >> right? We don't even know if they're the same neighbors. >> Yeah, that's right. >> All right. Uh >> so
017but to that to that point I I think you brought up a a point earlier and I just want to make sure that it was resolved that the sign out in front this is a continued public hearing. So it was out there for all of the days that were necessary leading up to the to the public hearing. Is that correct? >> I mean I did I put the sign up. It it's been there ever since. I mean, and you said it's over now, but I mean, I put it up the day I got it from I moved it from Winstead for our Corey one location down to because we had it out for the other Corey. So, instead instead of turning it into to Shane, she just told me to keep it and put it
018down at the other property. So, once we got through Corey one, so it it's been up for quite a while down there. I mean, obviously you said it's blown over now. Um, but it was put up right after the what we got through with the uh Corey one project. So, it's if it had to be up for 10 days, it's, you know, it was up for a lot longer than that. >> Well, I went by on May 22nd and it wasn't there. >> Well, your hearing opened on May 18th, >> right? So, that's the other thing that our uh Greg says only has to be there till the commencement of the public hearing. >> Right. So, as long as it was up for the required period before May 18th, >> right, we're okay. And I'm
019I mean I know I verified it at one point. I don't know if that was day 10 or day 11, but I remember driving by it before the meeting, so I know it was up there. >> So I just wanted to put for the record to clarify it because that was brought up and make sure that we're we were compliant. Um then the public hearing opened and then the sign at some point fell down, but it's a continued public hearing and the date was mentioned at the last meeting, so we should be fine. >> Anybody have any questions? Scott, so far I'm still reading, but I'm I'm good. If you want to listen to Are you gonna open it to the public? >> Yes. Anybody on the public have anything to say? John, >> come
020forth. >> Sorry, I just figured out what property this is because it it doesn't. >> Come forth and identify yourself. >> Oh, sorry. >> You guys mind the floor? >> Sure. You can leave your stuff there. >> [clears throat] >> Hi, Jen Pera. Um, I'm here for the Winchester Land Trust. So, PO Box 10, Winchester Center. I The number doesn't correspond with like the data on the town websites, like zero zero Torington Road. >> You've also got the map block and lot. >> All right. So, this So, this is the I think I figured out which one it is. So, was the I don't know if the land trust is 250 ft, but we're pretty close. Were we supposed to be be notified or we don't abut this parcel? I don't believe. >> No. If
021you don't abuted, you wouldn't have received notification. >> Yeah. Only the abuters get notified. >> Okay. >> The 250 foot rule applies to uh when blasting permits come in if they blasted site. >> Okay. And then you'll find out whether it's um from the blasting site or from the property line because I think >> it's actually regulated by the fire marshall's office and the permitting system is all [clears throat] it's all state requirements. It's a statewide essentially state. >> Okay. >> So I think I mean we have trails on our property but they're on the other side of the SN building. So I think they're so our boundary is close but um but our trails are not. All right. >> I was gonna just give you a straight I was gonna give you all straight
022line measurement. >> Okay. And I'll just confirm with you that I'm looking at the right. >> Okay. So, our boundary is right there. Thank you. >> Anything else? >> Okay, >> Scott. >> So far, I'm okay. >> This Scott, any questions? >> Just for your information, the closest point of the this property's boundary, which is the northwest corner, the closest part of that to the land trust property is about 700 ft. >> So before we close the the public hearing, I just had a question um not necessarily from the applicants, but staff. So the our Helder grant list, these are the um conditions that we're looking to put on the approval. These are nothing new has come in. They haven't addressed any of them. So these would be the eight conditions. >> Those would be
023the eight conditions. Um and I I forwarded I'll put when we get to that point, I can pull up a a draft motion. I would submit a couple of them to make them a little bit clearer and then added a few additional conditions as well. And so you guys have seen this report and know these conditions and >> we don't need to discuss anything else on them. Okay. >> The same conditions were also made part of the wetlands approval just for your reference. >> Great. Thank you. >> So anything else to focus on here? >> No, it's okay. >> Last chance. Scott, >> I'm good. I have I'll probably add some things to the conditions, meaning that I would probably only add that if our wetland zoning official sees something and he wants it fixed
024then they have to fix it and I think they would be willing to do that. >> Yeah, I think >> instead of just the list if he sees something separate >> yeah that that goes for any make sure >> but yeah throw it out there. So I take a motion to close PC 265. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor-26-6 has been continued to June 22nd. >> Correct. Yes. The applicant has requested in writing an extension. Uh they're working on plans and they'll be back to you in a couple weeks hopefully. Okay, now we're off to item 5A. Public hearing TZ-26-7. Applicant Paula Dorski, location 133 Hallebert Avenue, zone TCR, proposal, special permit for home occupation. Come forth. >> Tell us what you want to do. Um well, first good evening everyone. I am
025Paula Jorski um of 133 Holler Avenue and uh I am seeking permission to operate an online retail business um with my daughter out of our residence. Um, the business is Relic Revibe. Um, which will be an online thrift store selling quality pre-owned and vintage vintage clothing as well as a limited selection of accessories such as designer shoes, bags, um, and unique household textiles um, such as linens and doilies. U, I'd like to emphasize that the business is not consignment based. Um all inventory is sourced uh solely by my daughter and I um for quality, sustainability [clears throat] and affordability. Um as I indicated in the special permit uh application u because the business is online there is zero risk for disruption to the neighborhood. Um our home will remain as is and intact. Um it
026will not uh include any retail foot traffic uh parking noise or business advertising. Um additionally the room in our home uh designated for our inventory and mailing supplies is approximately 140 square feet which is roughly 3.7% of our home's total square footage. Um, and I thank you for your consideration. [clears throat] >> So, I have a question. Part of your plan says you're going to have furniture sales? >> No. No, not not furniture. Um, it would just be clothing, um, uh, pre-owned vintage clothing and, um, household textiles such as linens, um, vintage pieces. No, no large f furniture because of shipping. >> How how are you going to handle your shipping? UPS and FedEx trucks? >> No. Um, through the mail. I set up a business account with the post office. >> Okay. >> So,
027there'll be no deliveries, no pickups at at that at your site then >> other than by yourself >> the normal, you know, >> household Amazon or something like that. >> Yeah. Um and with the with the post office having a business account, it would strictly be within those business hours, either me scooting to the post office in person or um having a business account. you can arrange through the post office and with your carrier to pick up um ideally that would be you know when business is going well um you know but to start you know I'll be doing most everything in person um and advertising will be online um through social media >> no signs or anything like that >> business cards no signs >> um >> and is Is it just you and
028your daughter working there? >> Yes. Yes. >> Anybody else ask any questions? >> All right. You meet the qualifications for your storage and your your base, you know, which you're going to use for space. So, Okay. What is in in your proposal in the beginning here it says gently used home furnishings. What are those? >> It was more of a broad term meaning the the linens, doilies. I I have some items from past relatives um that are unique and that is what I was going to be putting together for sale um >> so no furniture >> no furniture >> okay >> I can't afford to show that [laughter] >> or lift it so >> if there's no other questions I make a motion to close PCC- 26. >> Did you open it to the public?
029Ask the public. >> Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Anybody in the public got anything to say? >> No. All right. So, I'll make a motion to close PZC-26-7 applicant following Joesky, 133 Halbert Avenue, zone TZR, propose a special permit for home occupation. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> Okay. >> Thank you, everyone. Hang around a few minutes so we'll vote on it. Pardon? >> Hang around a few minutes so we can vote on it afterwards. No, >> we've got we've got other things first, but >> Okay. >> Almost ready for you. >> So, [clears throat] >> so now we'll go on to number six, old business. So, old business is PZC-26-5 African West Wesley Claw on behalf of Winston Road Realy LLC. Location zero Tarington Road, map 45, block 158, map 049-1,
030zone TG, proposal special permit for earth excavation. Okay, >> you want me to read it? >> Yeah, go ahead. Read it. >> Okay, I got it on my phone here. Oh. Um, I have a motion to approve application 26-5 special permit road realy LLC address 0 Torington Road map 445 block 158 map 049-1 zoning town gateway proposal special permit for earth excavation per site plan for comprehensive environmental dated 513 2026 and revision date of 63206. This application is approved for the following reasons. This application is consistent with the town's plan of conservation and development. This application meets the criterion standards of section 415-24D special permits special exceptions. The following conditions shall apply. One, in evaluating this application, the planning and zoning commission has applied. The planning and zoning commission has relied upon information provided the
031applicant and if such information subsequently proves to be false, deceptive, incomplete and are inaccurate, this permit shall be mo modified, suspended or revoked. Two, final approval plan shall have the live signature and seal of a state of Connecticut licensed professional engineer, soil scientist, and survey of record. These plans shall be submitted to the town of Winchester's planning and community development office [clears throat] prior to any construction. Three, there should be no storage of inoperable equipment, vehicles, or parts thereof on the site. Four, prior to the start of construction, the zoning enforcement officer shall issue a zoning permit certifying all conditions pertaining to the start of construction within this approval have been satisfied. Five, provide a name and 24-hour emergency contact telephone number to the CEO WEO for the responsible party regarding the maintenance of the
032proposed erosion and sedimentation control measures. Six applicant shall provide an erosion and sedimentation control measure bond estimate said estimate shall be reviewed by the town's estimate set estimate shall be reviewed by the town's engineering consultant and approved before the bond is posted. No permit shall be issued and no work shall commence until the bond has been posted. Seven, the erosion and sedimentation. >> You got the same one going here. I'm reading the one that >> you sent on mail >> an email. >> There was an update this afternoon. >> There was an email this afternoon. >> Second one >> because the one I got just >> I sent you an update about three No, it's really that 2 o'clock maybe 3:00 something like that. >> Okay. Seven, erosion and sedimentation control bond shall remain in
033place until all site work is completed and until permanent vegetated cover is established. Said bond amount shall be reviewed during each application for renewal. An increased or decreased in accordance with recommendations from the town's consulting engineer. A pre-construction meeting shall be scheduled. Come on. shall be scheduled with the town of Winchester staff prior to the start of construction to inspect uh erosion sedimentation control measures and to discuss construction sequencing and phasing. During construction earth rock removal process, the owner developer contractor shall add erosion sedimentation control measures as deemed necessary by the town of Winchester staff andor its engineering consultant. 10. Daily inspections require maintenance of all erosion and sedimentation control measures shall be completed by the owner operator and/or the site contractor until a permanent vegetated cover is established. Repairs shall be made immediately after
034inspections and until a permanent vegetated cover is established, 70% turf establishment. All erosion and sedimentation control measures shall remain in place and be maintained until a permanent vegetative cover is established. An asbuilt site development and grading plan which shall include topography locations and locations of all altered areas within the limit of disturbance shall be submitted to the town of Winchester staff for review and approval after all the site work is completed and prior to requesting the release of the ENS bond. Set map shall be prepared by state of Connecticut registered land surveyor. 12. A final site inspection shall be completed by the town of Winchester staff under the engineering consultant prior to the release of the erosion and sedimentation control bond and the issuance of a certificate of occupancy. Please note this inspection shall only
035be take place after receipt of the asbuilt site improvement and grading plan is required in condition 11 and above above. >> What kind of bond do you get? cash, check, passbook. >> I'm just curious. >> I wouldn't take >> I'm only asking because sometimes you get a check from the bank, they're only good for a year. Cash always works. >> Just food for thought. I know they're good for it, but in case there's any issues with soil rosing controls, you want to be able to correct it right away if if they don't, but I don't foresee that. They wouldn't have three operations if they fell behind on things. >> So, is that a motion to approve? I'll second. >> There was a motion to approve. >> That was a motion to approve. Anybody's got any
036conditions to >> add any special conditions? Anything else we're going to add? >> Did you want to do hours of operation? I know you were. >> They're in the zoning reg. >> They are indeed. So just stick with those. Okay. >> The only condition I would [clears throat] would like to add to it only because it's so close to the Still River in that area that any hazardous material spills that take place on the property that the fire department to be notified immediately because the Still River runs back to Winston. So anything that may get off the property into the Still River is going to come this direction right to Winston. second. >> I mean, it should be contained on site, but you never know with a torrential rainstorm or something. >> You good with
037that wording, Peter? >> Yes. [clears throat] >> You can blow a hydraulic line, anything can happen. So, Thank you. >> Believe me, it happens to do. It happens to everybody. So, >> so we have a second. All in favor? >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> No, that's the wrong one. It doesn't match what was read. >> It I only sent one today. So if you got one from me, it's the same. >> 3:42 p.m. >> Jeremy 3:42 p.m. >> This goes up to 14. I think you I suspect your word version the word app on your computer did something weird for you. >> Yeah, [laughter] I suspect that's what happened because this this is what Peter read and this is I only sent one. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, do we need
038to sign? >> Well, we need to print. We'll get the correct. >> Yeah. With the extra condition and we'll get that. We'll get it out to you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And hopefully I'm right in the next one. Then [laughter] >> we'll find out. >> Very fun to read off my phone. >> That's a short one. >> I'll pull that one. >> No, it was just here. >> Okay. So, now we're going to go on to uh >> the Yeah. >> B on old business PZ-26-6. Applicant Alex Fortuna for Forsaken Lands 32 Northfor Road. That's has been continued till June 22nd. So now we're going to do PZ-26-7 applicant Paulie Jawarski location 133 Hallebert Avenue zone TCR proposal special permit for home occupation. Uh, planning zoning commission date June 8th, 2026. Make a motion to
039approve application 26-7 special permit owner Paul Jarski. Address 133 Hallebert Avenue, zone TCR, propose a special permit for home occup occupation. This application is approved for the following reasons. The applicant is consistent with the town's plan of conservation and development. The applicant meets the criteria and standards of section 415-24D special permits and exceptions. The following condition shall apply in evaluating this application. The finan commission is relied upon information provided by the applicant. And if such information is subsequently proves to be false, deceptive, incomplete, and or inaccurate, this permit shall be modified, suspended, or revoked. >> I'll second it. Anybody want to add anything for special conditions? No. All in favor? >> All set. >> Thank you. >> Now you want us to sign this one? >> Yeah, you can sign that one. >> No changes
040there. >> Our office will be in touch and we'll get you all those details. >> [laughter] >> You can take the sign out. >> Yeah, you might. >> Yes. Great. >> Thanks so much. >> Good luck. >> Thank you. [clears throat] Okay, now we're off to new business. PDC-26-8 applicant yield properties location 112 Standard Avenue Zone Town Gateway for site plan modification for landscaping and construction >> and I think it's being recommended for it right >> we don't have an applicant here and we noted a couple of things on the site plan there >> that need adjusting so we did reach out to the to the applicant to have those corrected Considering they're not here, I think you probably just want to continue. >> Have you guys been down and inspected the property or looked
041at it or anything? >> Certainly. >> I'm just wonder has all the material finally been moved out of the wetlands and all the seating been done and >> Oh, yeah. All the things that we were we had approved previously >> for a long time. Yeah. that when I first started here, I was going every >> I remember there was an issue there and I just just was wondering if it finally got >> cleaned up and stabiliz >> so I have a question. Does this site plan meet our regulations? There's no engineers name or stamp or anything on it. >> Yeah, those are some of the things that we need to get corrected from the >> Okay. So, do we need to do anything about this? We just >> No, I I think you could just
042continue into your June 22nd meeting. >> Okay. 22. >> So, we're going to continue this to June 22nd. All right. Now, we're on to >> Is there a motion for that? I don't think we need a motion, do we? >> We don't really need one >> because we we're just accepting it anyways. We're not sending a public hearing. >> You don't need it. >> Okay. >> So, now we're on to item eight. >> Unless you got something else. >> No. No. We have nothing else. We're just We're good. >> Trying to keep up. >> What's on the agenda? We're trying to keep it up. [laughter] >> Other business discussion. Marina related regulations. All right. So, as we discussed a couple of weeks ago, um the marina up at Pilot Lake uh is operating up there.
043We know that they're using a number of properties. [clears throat] Um we kind of went through our zoning regulations and your ordinances. The town of Winchester has decided that you can only have one marina. Um, it's a little bit complicated to try to attach a marina special permit to the six or seven properties that are being used currently. Um, and we really don't want to do that because if any of those got sold individually, then you have a special permit hanging out there for a marina. Really, what is a marina, right? It's access to the water. It's the dock. So, we had this idea that perhaps what we want to do is set it up so that we have a marina use and then we have a marina support services use. the marina that's up
044there. We have special permit modifications that we've been able to find all the way back to the late 70s for the parcel of land that's on the lakeside of East Lake where the actual dock and you know what you probably would consider the marina actually exists. A couple of those refer to the building across the street where the sales and service garage currently is, but not all of them do. So I think what we what what we sort of talked about a couple of weeks ago was let's go through our regulations create this marina support services which would allow the current operator or any future operator to have their special permit on the location where the actual marina exists and then permit those sort of accessory support uses that are not that that are tied
045to the permitted marina. But you don't then have a marina special permit on seven different parcels or eight different parcels or whatever the case may be. >> So threw some language at you here to to just get a conversation going and then we'll kind of go from there. >> I have a question. So I like the concept of this, but would the marina support services have to be tied to a marina? So, example I'm thinking is if a business wanted to come in that uh clean boats or reupholstered um you know we have this this marina little marina thing over here or you know fixed navigational systems you know I think because it's a lake and there's a lot of boat activity we might we might see some of these marina or boat support services
046that maybe aren't connected to the marina Uh have you thought of like would that be possible with this? >> I think that might already fall under the uh vehicle sales and service pleasure category because of the >> boat sales but if they were selling boats >> sales and service so they're washing the boats. >> But this is just basically the HL district. >> That's what this is applying to. >> Yeah. This would right we would probably I mean I think the thinking is that we would Yeah. This would only be in the HLP, right? >> Yeah. >> Then they should probably do that kind of stuff across the street in the the building that goes with the marina. >> Well, that's what we're doing. >> And I like the wording for what you put down
047support [clears throat] services for the other parcels. >> Right. I don't Were you No, I thought you were not at the meeting a couple >> storage only. Storage or parking only. >> And that's and that's kind of where this came from, right? Is that he's got the current marina has he bought the old Union pin site. He's got a bunch of parcels all around the building there. And of course, when this thing started out back in I don't really know. I mean, I chased it back in the land records till like the late 50s. I couldn't find it any further back than that. But it really was just, you know, the little garage that's there. I think it used to be a garage and the marina parcel where the dock is. That was about it.
048And it's gradually grown and we need to get it all permitted. We've been talking about this for months. There's >> been a lot of changes, a lot of agreements with the town to get rid of the the moorings that were out there, right? to get the docks and then the house in front of the building that's exists now was torn down. So I don't know if that even it was addressed in in any of the >> Yeah. I don't remember seeing that. >> That would be under >> Yeah. Right. [clears throat] Yeah. And I don't know if it was under a special permit and therefore filed in land records or not. I you know we went through and and dug through the paper files. They weren't all that revealing. Most of the stuff was within
049the last 15 20 years. So it really was not all that exciting to look at. But the, you know, the stuff that was in the the clerk's uh vault was a little bit helpful in terms of [clears throat] where the special permit actually lives because initially when we first started having this conversation with Eric a while back um and you know, okay, how do we get the rest of it permitted? It became all right, well, what permit actually exists and trying to find that was a little bit of a challenge. We still haven't chased it back to the original special permit, but we have a bunch of modifications. There's like four or five of them along the way. So I think we can rest on the fact that somewhere a special permit exists if the
050commission has modified it multiple times over the last 40 years or so. But it's always for that [clears throat] parcel where the dock uh exists. And so I think the rest of it is the idea here is support [clears throat] services >> and that way it's you know it's like I said you don't end up with and you can't really end up with multiple marinas anyway over there because you got you got limited space to do it. Um, but I think this is probably a better way to get all those other parcels permitted, especially since there's streets in the way and you know, it's it's a little bit complicated. >> You know, you're talking high lake business district. The parcels uh going on the right hand side down from the lake down. Those are in
051town single family. >> Some are most of them are in HLB at this point. There was a zone change approved a couple of years ago. I can pull up the map. Makes it easier. >> Our map. The Union Pin properties are >> Well, Union Pin is on the left side going down on the right side. The individual houses are town single families, >> right? Yeah, it they are there. It breaks about halfway down to what is that? Rock Well, is that Rockwell Street? Yeah, there's one or two parcels before Rockwell changes. >> He thinks that, you know, this would allow use of all of those for for that. It won't. >> Right. So, I have a couple questions now. Marine support services. How about the Marine Support Services area? Would that be a better definition?
052>> What was that last word, Willie? >> Area. I mean, it could be. I I think >> because Marine Support Services is like a business name, you know? It's a service, but this would be like the area. I don't know what anybody else feels about that. Well, I think we're permitting uses, >> right? >> Yeah. This is this is tied to you. I mean, we could say >> the type of services we can permit there, >> right? >> Basically, >> right? If you Yeah. If you So, you read out that definition. Um Oh, okay. All right. So, I see where the confusion lies. >> Did you just throw Marina accessory sport services? Yeah, we could say accessory support services. >> Support services and maybe a number or the map lot and block number to go
053with it so you know which one you're talking about. >> How about just uh >> because you're saying there's several of them. >> How about just >> Well, that'll come that'll come when they come for their permit. Then then they'll attach it. It could be just marina services because in the definition it says an area related to a permitted marina which provides marina access. >> Sure. >> Less words instead of more >> marina services. Is that what you said? Okay. >> I think we did fine. >> And I did just as we were sitting here, you know, you [clears throat] look at these things three times. You go crosseyed and then you sit a week and you look at it again. You just see different things. But I just changed the wording at the very
054beginning. I think it I think the sheet that you have says an area related to and I just change it to those uses related to a permitted marina which provides um because that you know we're going to take an area and put this use on top of it not the other way around. >> Right. So >> go ahead. I'm just trying to formulate. >> All right. So, under a uh the term adjacent, >> yeah, >> maybe we should change it to immediately adjacent to just say that's like right there, not just maybe adjacent down the street. >> Well, [clears throat] or maybe you want a budding you're good in in that area. You got a budding to the abuter because he's got properties here and then budding over here and then >> yeah, >> that's
055where I was struggling with trying to figure out the location piece of it. I started out saying, you know, something along those lines, abudding and then abudding the above, you know, like >> because the idea is you you want to be able to do that. >> There's a bunch of little pieces of property, >> right? Right. >> So, you need to keep it simple. So, as these seats change here, the new people will know what they are. And when that seat changes, it'll be simple to pick up. >> Right. >> Idiot proof. >> So, I mean, we only have if we're only allowing [clears throat] this in the Highland Lake business district. There's only so many parcels that are in the Highland Lake business district, >> but we just changed >> parcels. We expanded the
056business district for Eric a while ago, right? We added more parcels. So parcels could be added more by somebody else that wanted to come in, say, bought one of Eric's houses and decided he wanted that changed to the business district for something else >> for another marina's type service or something. >> I mean, I think if it's >> it also touches on ownership if you get down to B. So, if you're talking about somebody else buying a property and wanting to do one of these services, it would get knocked out because he doesn't own all >> or he doesn't own the marina itself. >> Yeah. >> You got to own that to be able to >> get this far. >> But we're going to pull up the uh GIS mapping just so we [clears throat]
057could all be familiar with the different parcels. Um, so obviously this is I shouldn't say obviously, this is the lake, this large parcel here. So you got East Lake here heading diagonally down. You got West Lake running across the dam and then lake running down the street. So to Peter's point, um, you know, you've got once you get to the stop sign, you round the corner, the the store is there, you got one sort of two, three parcels there, and then the rest, the last four before you get to Rockwell or town single family. >> Right. Those are all town single family. >> Those are all town single. So we're not talking about those. >> No, but they're still under LLC's he owns. >> They are, but they're zoned incorrectly for that type of use.
058at this point >> at this point and you know his we've had several conversations and again everything's speculative everything can change you know applications can come in at any moment right now as of today the conversations that we have had with this particular owner that the residential uses that he owns on those parcels even the ones that are zoned uh commercial or HLB he intends to keep those as residential could change but that's you you know, that's kind of where we are. And then on the left side, again, Peter's point, um, those are all HLB running down the hill. >> So, pull that map down a little bit. How >> So, does Eric actually did we extend the business district all the way down to >> that? That was already business district all the way.
059>> That was already HL. >> That goes to Boyd Street where the impetus warehouse is. Okay. Where they just put the catch base in. >> Yeah. I never realized [clears throat] it went down that far. Yeah. >> Okay. That's that property. >> Yeah. His the the Union pin are are uh I think it's these two. It's really three parcels. It doesn't show on this map as three, but it's that area there. All right. So, back to language. And again, you know, we can we can keep we can tweak this all day long. So, >> you have 263 going up to the lake. 263 [clears throat] stays on Boyd Street. >> Say that again. >> Route 263 you have coming up to the lake. Yeah, >> it really turns right onto Boyd Street. >> Correct. >>
060Okay. Well, you have you have it labeled there twice. >> Oh, that's not my map. That's the That's just G. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> just the guide we tell people. That's good. >> I tried I tried. >> Yeah, this is this is not my map. [laughter] >> That's your colors. >> Oh, I mean >> Yes. I c we created the colors and we sent them off but I didn't create the underlying data. [laughter] >> Are we looking to be more or less restrictive? Because one of the things that I'm thinking right like first of all this is a special exception in the high lake business district already pretty limited area. We only have one marina. So, you know, >> a forced monopoly, >> right? And so, like if we put uh because we want
061the marina to succeed, right? We want them to do things and we want to support the the lake. So, if we put, you know, something that gives the commission some leeway like is in close proximity, you know, to the marina as determined by the commission or something like that. So, we're not what's adjacent, how many feet, what? Like, it just has to be a close proximity. We're talking about >> to to that point. I mean, let let me ask you this. Do we need a location at all? Um, if it's only going to be permitted in the HLB, that's the only place it's going to show up in the use table if that's the intention, which I assume it is. Maybe we don't need to say it has to be within certain distance of the
062approved marina. I mean, the whole zone pretty much is with the exception of, I don't know, there's one or two parcels that are kind of separated [clears throat] down the street. You've got, you know, a couple down here and you get the one down the corner. >> Jones and you've got >> everything else is >> But if they wanted to in close proximity >> across from Misha Beach if they wanted to go down there and rent kayaks, do we care? Stand up paddle boards. >> Right. So, so maybe the location sections >> and they still have to come to us for a public hearing, right? A special exception. >> It all depends on what the commission wants. Yeah. >> Is that is that what you were proposing? >> My initial thought was not special permit
063because Yeah. because again it lives on the land records and in some ways going site plan gives you a little bit more control because you know once it's on the land records it's on the land records forever and the next owner can come in and keep running with it and which I guess is all right. Right. >> So, a lot of marine things, Eric, the marina has got a monopoly. You can't go down to the points. You could go down there and rent kayaks. He could not launch them on Highland Lake because you can't have a business launching kayaks in a state boat launch. That's prohibited. >> Sure. >> So, he could not launch them. You'd have to load them on your car and haul them down. I don't believe you could take them across
064the road to the beach either. I think that might not be >> No, that's not allowed. Launching the boats from any of the beaches in our like what a stand up paddle board. None of those. >> Yeah, it says I'd have to read the board. If >> you allow one, everything will squeeze in. So, you got to make a decision. Yes or no? >> Because they're designated swimming areas. There's no place to launch. Nope. >> It's all buoyed off for swimming. >> Yes, that's right. It's buoied off for swimming. You can't go across with a boat or paddle board. >> There's no crossing with a boat, paddle board or anything like that because it's buoyed off as a designated swimming area. >> Palum Beach, you could walk down further past where the buoys are >>
065area >> and cut in there. >> But then you're about that far from the edge of pavement on the road. Yeah. [laughter] >> Well, the whole purpose of this is to make that area legal, >> right? >> Because right now it's not legal. >> Bring it into compliance. Basically, >> bring it into compliance. Make it legal. Get some structure to the regulations for there because as Scott says, if this board changes, they may just say cease and desist as of now. And and that's kind of where we're at because when we really started looking at it, you know, the the uses, not just the stuff that's going on across the street at Union Pin, but there's really no approvals for any of the stuff that's going on on any of those parcels because we don't
066have the language for it. So that's kind of what brought us >> to this point. So, >> and >> I don't think anything that I'm thinking of or you're thinking of restricts his ability to do anything on that lot. >> So, >> yeah, I don't see where any of this will restrict him at all. I mean, by wording it as adjacent property, [clears throat] you know, under the same ownership. >> And have you talked to him? >> We have. >> And you showed him this? >> Not yet. We wanted to get this to the commission. We told him we were going to get it to the commission and make any modifications that the commission thought were going to be necessary and then we'd send it to him. >> One of the things I had I
067thought of under C under under parking even though farther down under F under us is it it mentions about you know watercraft personal watercraft approved by fire marsh what have you but it uh under sea parking it should uh comply with all applicable fire codes. >> Okay. >> Well I had a question on that too because our zoning regulations account for like car parking. They don't account for cars with trailers or you know boats like that. They're not 9 by 12, right? >> So you're not going to necessarily So the parking I would say [clears throat] um you know if it's a parking lot for patrons that are going to even that they might have trailers I don't know that we want them to necessarily comply. >> Yeah. So you're the the regulation if you
068look at the use table right now for the marina uses it gives you flexibility. It doesn't give us a strict number. >> Um and so I think in this case I was pointing to the the design. Well, okay. So you're getting at design, but location and landscaping and planting and those types of things, but maybe design should be >> right. >> Take that word out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Maybe the maybe it's just that um working to compare with the location and landscaping requirements. >> Okay. >> Only and then my last so the question I was trying to form before and I don't want to over complicate this and I don't know that that we need to but you look at these permitted uses right you know uh rental of supplies is very
069different than a repair of a vessel, >> right? And so when we and I agree that it should be site plan. I like the thinking on that. I think the location should come away. I think we should make it easy, but I think maybe it's like a checkbox of which ones are allowed and which use. I don't want to just say Marina support services are approved on this site and they can do anything, right? Like I think I think they need to define the uses a little bit more because I also don't want to say no to something that's kind of small because they can't fix a boat there, right? Like I think there needs to be flexibility because they're like a wide range of Does that make sense? >> It does. I So what
070I'm I mean my initial thinking and I I want your opinion on this, but what if we broke it into two pieces? These uses are by site plan. These uses are by special permit. And figure out what those are. Maybe maybe repair. >> Yeah. Or even >> washing sales. >> Maybe they're even both site plan, but one's a major and one's a minor. >> Okay. Just question when >> because I like your idea about the site plan. when we approved for the building across the street for the marina in that area, was there a limit number placed a limited number of new boats that could be on display? >> Not that I recall. >> Okay. I don't know. I just for some reason I think I remember that discussion years ago when we made the
071approval for him for the >> I have to go back and look to be honest with you. >> For some reason I I I thought there was the commission had put a number a maximum number of new boats that could be on display for sale or something to that effect just because of the size of the lot, >> you know. Okay. >> And where and where he put them because there was a big discussion about putting them out on front on the corner and about blocking the site >> sight lines and everything else because of the stop sign there. >> Yeah. >> When you come up the hill, you go to towards East Lake Street. And I and I thought we there might have been condition put on that as far as a number of
072of new boats that could be on display for sale. >> There could be. And I'll be honest, I wasn't looking at all those. I was just looking to see what was permanent. >> Something to look at or research it. >> Yeah, we'll look at that. >> I vaguely remember that. >> Okay. So, okay. So, so site plan major, site plan minor. >> Yeah, they could get both. I mean, I guess like >> if they get a major, they can do the M. I don't know. >> Okay. >> Or or maybe it's just um I don't know. I'm wondering if may include any or all of the following and then when they submit an application we can restrict the the uses. >> Yeah. If it's a site plan though we've got to be careful with that,
073>> right? >> So [clears throat] maybe what we do is cert uses are a minor site plan and certain uses are a major site plan that require a public hearing and then at least you're inviting the neighbors in and you're you're sort of telling the applicant and yourselves that for these uses it's not a special permit but we're going to hold a public hearing >> even but even with that major major didn't we put that in our site plan hold on we have different requirements >> you do yeah you definely have different requirements rel. >> So, you know, maybe that's just the difference. Some of the the more smaller uses are minor and they require minor site plan requirements and the major require major site plan requirement and we could always hold a public hearing
074if we want. >> Yeah, you always can. >> You we don't have to. >> All right. I'll I'll look at those and adjust that a little bit. >> One of one of the things I didn't see us useless and I don't know if it'll happen, but like washing the boats or anything like that. Yeah. >> Detailing and you know then we've got we're going to have a concern with the runoff and and everything else and chemicals that are used and things like that. >> Um you know do we permit it or not? [clears throat] >> That would be a major category. >> I think so. I mean I would consider >> because of the chemicals that could be used and the runoff that could be used. Granted it's not running towards the lake but it's
075still going to be running to the brook. It's going somewhere. >> He has been detailing his boats down in the if building. Okay. All right. So, maybe I'll break My initial thinking was that that was sort of service related, but maybe I'll break it up. I'll >> break it up. >> Yeah, it should be. >> So, you talked about vendor fairs in there. Um, what is a temporary vendor fair? The idea there is sometimes these boat vendors uh you know they'll have they'll want to do displays or whatever and sell their >> popup where they bring a canopy for the boat. >> Yeah. >> Just trying to cover all bases with that. They've also express expressed interest of having like in having sort of you know oh you know on a Saturday morning we want
076to have a few of our vendors or whatever and out there and have displays and you know we've kind of said you really don't have the we don't have a mechanism to allow that right now. So I thought we've had those conversations as we're writing the language maybe we include something for that. That's that was kind of the thinking and but you know I won't you know I want to make sure that it's >> mostly related to boating and marine recreation. >> Okay then that brings up another question. You know we're Peter was talking about number of boats that can be out there if there was a number. We don't know if there was or wasn't. Um, can do we have to write something that would cover other marine boating uh equipment? Like sometimes he
077has uh the docks out there, sometimes he has a boat lift out there. >> Now that's all related to boating. >> Yeah. >> Do we need to make a special thing for that or that just can be under >> So I >> boating accessories. I think in my two cents, [clears throat] if it's on the lot permitted for a marina, those are accessory uses. The reason we need to do this is they're not on the same lot. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Exactly. >> Right. So, if it's a marina, they can do their marina stuff and their accessory use stuff. >> That's exactly right. >> But the marina is across the road, >> right? >> Yeah. Just the water. >> Basically, all that is that's strictly docking of boats and fueling of boats. That's all
078it putting them in. If you had a large parcel, right, like some of the ones along the [clears throat] shoreline or the river or whatever, you've got these marinas that are on a 60 acre parcel. And >> so you can fit all your uses onto that one. In this case, we don't have that. So >> So is the marina itself permitted the little building across the street and the on the >> I think so. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. And that's >> what's across the street. I would say all that was permitted by us. We went through that with all the docks when he wanted to put it in with the fuel tank. >> Okay. >> And everything of that. >> So that was one of the modifications that came through. >> The ramp was
079there >> long before the ramp was put in by the Army Corp. >> Army Corps of Engineers. Where the do where the dock is certainly the special permit that exists sits on that parcel. >> The fuel tank and fuel dispensing of fuel. >> There's no question about that. That parcel is the marina. That's been that's been permitted. There's no issue. What's somewhat questionable is the building across the street where he operates and has his office and his sales and all that stuff. >> And and I thought we had many discussions on that when we were doing the marina across the street. >> So I mean I don't know if I feel like you can't really have a marina without an office that you know supports the marina. >> Oh yeah. So I would be supportive
080and if you know we document that the marina is that parcel in the water that's the marina right and that anything else needs to get this marine services approval. [clears throat] >> Well the the the big building across the street there was always an office in there right from right after there was always an office in there. >> And then when Don tore down the building up front, put the showroom in. That's the showroom that was must have been permitted for a showroom at the time. And then there was a repair bay in back where the boats were fixed. So that building has been used for all these things >> Continuously, right? >> There's really no issue about that building being used for those things. [clears throat] >> That's the part that's somewhat unclear in
081the record. I I more or less came to that conclusion but I wasn't fully there. >> But if we had to codify that somehow >> and I think we should, >> you know, if he if he comes in we can c, you know, >> somehow those two pieces of properties need to be tied together even though >> they're separate by the other. They [clears throat] should be considered >> I think they're on one deed. >> Well, they should be considered as one property. I mean, I don't know how it's in the town hall if it's one deed or not, but they should be considered as one property. >> What two properties is this? >> What's that? the lakes side where the docks are and the building the other side of the street where the the
082building. >> Yeah, that's probably all one. >> Those could should be if they're under one deed especially, they should be considered one property. >> Yeah. >> And they're all on one deed. It's hard to make them one property because you got a road running through it. Exactly. But they're on one deed. Yeah. >> But Okay. >> Yeah. >> Because then then I think we should be considering them as one property. >> I think >> one and the same. >> Yeah. So, we can get into all those nuances once we get an application in here. >> There's a lot of, you know, he's got that where the store used to be there that was torn down and never got a change of use for that. >> The building behind the end >> and then the the
083the garage behind the end where now he put the fence up and he's got boat storage back there, that was never had a change of use on it. >> And that's why we're [clears throat] that's why we're having this conversation. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> So, U be a long conversation. >> Well, and that's okay. I you know, so I'm hearing some some adjustments that we should make. Well, look at the major and minor site plan stuff and what uses uh those should be. Um [clears throat] I got a couple of notes in here. So when you write in here under for the LLC's >> under the ownership >> ownership yeah okay should you know would it be beneficial to change it to read or controlled by a majority owned. Controlled and majority owned
084by the same ownership >> or majority control. How did you say? What' you say >> to read? Or controlled and majority owned by the same ownership. I think that's where we're going to get into some trouble there with the LLC's, [clears throat] >> you know. >> Well, I think that's where that legally affiliated with. >> Yeah, that right. And I was struggling with the verbiage on this. I certainly Maybe something that needs a time attorney [clears throat] to look at. Yeah. That >> first. >> Yeah. Well, I'll have somebody much smarter than that. >> See how it should be worded. >> Yeah. >> So that we can tie it under one ownership. >> Yeah. And all the LLC's do trace back to the same principle being here. >> Do they trace back to the same
085principle or trace back to the same address? >> The same principle. >> Principal. >> You've actually looked at the LLC's. >> Yeah. At one point I created a spreadsheet sheet to try to figure out. >> It's a big one. >> Yeah. [laughter] I I've looked at them. >> Okay. I never I never went down that road. [clears throat] So, the only other thing I have is there is a vessel length restriction on the lake. It's a town ordinance. It's uh 240-4. Should that be part of this thing about launching boats longer than that violate the town ordinance >> that we're doing this? >> Not allowed to have boats on the premises or >> not necessarily not allowed because that restricts him from selling >> he could be doing work at there selling them but >>
086he could sell them but he can't sell them to >> can't have them in the marina. >> He can't have them in the marina. He can't launch them >> because they violate town ordinance. other lakes they're legal on, >> but they're not legal in Ohio. >> But but I think we go back to that as part of the marina regulation, right? >> That's that's what I'm thinking is we're looking at and we don't really have a marina regulation. We have an ordinance. Town has an ordinance. There is no zoning regulation on what a marina is, right? We have marina as a use. That's why we create that's why I created a definition >> regulation. So So we could put together a marina regulation. >> I think it's somewhat redundant. >> Well, we have a town
087ordinance. We'd have to change >> take it from ordinance being to a regulation, >> right? >> But but think about the enforcement of that an ordinance the police enforce and that's why they're out there with the boat and they're regulating that. What are we going to do, >> right? Send Jeff out there swimming after the boat. They wouldn't let me get a boat. [laughter] You captain license, didn't you? >> Well, I was going to, but then they said no. >> They said no boat. They bought him a swimsuit instead. >> I got a 12oot inflatable at the firehouse. >> Perfect. >> Can't you just get police officers? >> I could go with the police. Yeah, I lined up that one time and then it fell through. But the it's a standing offer. >> So, you
088know, if you do that, you got to put your blinders on. >> Well, that's the thing. Be out there all day. >> You don't want to look at the shorelines, >> right? Well, and I, you know, and I think this is this is a trouble with, you know, we we put a regulation together that says, okay, well, the ordinance, I forgot what the number is, 22 foot boat or whatever. So, okay, so under the regulation, it says you can't launch anything more than 22 feet, but then you go to the state boat launch and people from all over the state do whatever they want. >> So, you know, I I think we have an operator over there who >> I mean, I I am not gonna I don't know, right? I'm not up there. I
089don't know what he's launching. I don't know what the people own that have accepted his docs, but >> you know, we can have conversations with him. We can, you know, >> we have an ordinance. >> The guy at the state launch. >> No, I any of them, right? I mean, I >> I think >> you can launch whatever you want over at the state. >> I cannot deny anybody from launching. >> Exactly. >> I don't think we try to regulate that through zone. I don't think we have any enforcement power to do it. Just stick it with an >> or the town ordinance. The police and D deal with that econ deal with it. Yeah. >> So the last thing that I just and this is totally I can go either way but you have
090the uses. >> Yeah. Should we combine the definition and the uses so that there >> we we uh we could sure >> just so there's no question of well it says like just so that that's totally up your call but but what I'm thinking is as you get into the major the minor it might make sense to >> charge together. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I don't know. >> Yeah. combine F with >> just reflect all the same uses in both. I mean, if the definition reflects them all, then you go to the use table and then that's going to direct you to the regulation and that's where you get your major and minor. But as long as the uses are all listed in in both places, right? Is that what you're saying? >> No, what
091I'm saying is we have two different definitions. We have >> two different definition. >> We have two different definitions. One's a minor and one's a major. And then the major is, you know, the repair and the washing and the the minor is some of the other stuff. then we don't need the uses. >> I gota I got it. Okay. >> Because it's already defined in the two. >> Okay, that makes sense. I understand. >> Okay. >> Done for tonight. >> Yeah. >> This is why we didn't share them with Eric. We wanted to >> All right. So, I'll make some changes. >> All right. >> And uh We'll go at it again. >> Get this back to you in a couple weeks. >> Very good. Thank you. >> So, we'll move on to number nine.
092Approval of minutes for May 18th, 2026 special meeting. Hold on, hold on, hold on. >> You got something to change. >> Charlene was a little disappointed in the minutes, so she would like to have added to them. She expresses disappointment over the sale of the Gillson Theater and the type of business moving into the prominent Main Street space. Over the five years that the theater was on the market for sale, the town should have made an effort to help the owner/eller market the business to an appropriate buyer using town resources such as economic development commission and the town manager's office. It's a significant loss to her downtown revitalization efforts. She has said that during the meeting and the minutes didn't reflect that and she would like that added to the meetings for minutes. >> Can
093we have the verbiage and we'll get it added to >> Lauren has it >> to this? Oh, you already have it. Okay. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I make a motion to approve. >> Has anybody come in for a >> I'll second it >> with the addition? >> Not yet, but they have been in touch with the office. I made a motion to approve with the addition of Charlene's comments. >> I will second it. Okay, got it. Thanks, guys. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Sad part is the town usually does drag your feet and that's the problem. >> I can tell you though I did try to help. >> They dragged your feet in Torington. Look at Torington growing like a son of a gun. >> And over the years, Winston's always been the same.
094>> Yeah. I don't think it it had to had to do with that. >> All right. So, communications. Does anybody have anything for us? Nothing. Okay. And we'll move on to number 11. Adjournment. I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> What's the matter? >> I got up early this morning. >> All in favor? >> I What did they want to do with the old Gilson? Was there any plans? >> Oh, here rumors. >> Oh, >> rumors are indoor hockey or >> soccer. Soccer. >> Yeah. >> And I had just assumed it was youth, but it's not. This is like adult men's league competition. It was not