Inland Wetlands - July 17, 2025 Regular Meeting - 7PM

001It's uh 700 p.m. on July 17th, 2025. Uh I'd like to call the Inland Wetlands Water Course Commission to order. First order of business is the roll call. Uh Steven Mullenelli, chair present. Russ Davenport, vice chair, absent. We have a vacancy and the vacancy is not necessarily a secretary's position, but we have a vacancy and we're going to elect the secretary down the road. Jeff Lipcott >> present. >> Frank Oliviveri absent. Gary Paganelli >> present. >> Uh Jamie Colligan >> present. >> Uh we have another vacancy and Matt Clawson >> present. >> We have a one, two, three, four, five. We have a quorum. Um, next order of business, Jeff, the election of officers. Election of officers. >> Yeah. Uh, if you are prepared to elect a new secretary, as had been mentioned at one

002of the previous meetings, uh, we can do that. >> You forgot >> somebody. >> We don't have to do it tonight either. >> I'll do it if you guys if you want. >> I want you to think about, I'll do it. a lot of duties that no ran here for five or six years. >> The procedure is he has to be nominated twice and if there's nobody else to challenge it, then there's one vote and that's it. >> Yeah. Then you could just voice vote uh unanimously. >> Okay. Uh, I'd like to nominate Jeff Lipenccott for the position of secretary on the inland waters water comm water commission uh hopefully beginning tonight July 17th 2025. Is there a second? >> Second, >> Gary. Uh, once again, I'd like to nominate Jeff Lipincott to the position

003of secretary to Inland Wetlands Water Course Commission uh at tonight's meeting July 17, 2025. Is there a second? Is there any anybody else who'd like to nominate anybody? I'd like to close nominations. Um, let's take a vote. All those in favor of Jeff, please raise your hand. You want to vote? >> That's unan unanimous. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, approval of minutes. We have two sets of minutes. One for March 19th, 2025 and one for June 18th, 2025. Just a comment before we vote on the minutes. Um, I'd like whoever does the minutes to sub to indicate who did them on the bottom so it's submitted by Can we could we do that? Put names attached to this minute these minutes. Now, >> uh, sure. I thought it was on there. So, my >>

004Maybe maybe I didn't see it, Jeremy. >> Probably failed to put it on there. No, that's okay. >> All right. So, we'll add your name to both sets of minutes. Okay. Uh let's then vote on the first one which is way back in March. Um is there a motion to approve the March 19th minutes? >> Uh motion to approve March 19th, 2025 inland Wetlands Water Commission minutes. A >> second. >> Any adjustments? Any modifications to it? All those in favor? one extension. Um, next set of minutes is dated June 18th, 2025. Is there a motion? Motion to approve the inland wetlands water commission minutes for June 18th, 2025. >> Any additions or changes? All those in favor, it's unanimous completely. Thank you. Okay. Uh under agenda review, Jeff, Jeremy, anything? >> Uh not much. I

005will just mention uh due to comment from you earlier in the day, we also discussed uh items that might carry over to the next page and we will make sure So everything stays together. Uh and other than that, I believe you wanted to uh make a move to for the buoy discussion. >> Yeah, I'd like to move move the buoy up to between old business and new business so that there's a little bit of time for a meaningful discussion. Um and uh with the permission of the commission, I'd like to indicate that you know at 10 o'clock I'd like not to start any new business. Are we good with that? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Okay. Those are the under agenda review. We have no public hearings and the first order of business is application WWC25-8.

006Uh the applicant is Robert Manacio and the address is 59 East Lake Street. Want to come to the microphone? Introduce yourself. >> Good evening commission. My name is Robertio. try, but no one gets >> I come from southern Italy, not northern Italy, so little difference. >> Uh, I lived 139 Walsh Avenue in Newington. Um, I have I own the property at 59 East Lake. Um, it was previously purchased from a good friend of mine who's owned it for many decades. Um, their family has grown up with it. I visited many times. I bought it as she's looking to retire for herself and it won't my family. I have to raise the building in order to get the building into spec and it's uh it just requires the the approval of this commission to to perform

007it. So, I'm within the same building print as the current house. We're going up a story. Uh we're going to make a threeseason room off the back of the house. >> When you say the back talking toward the water or >> Yes. Yes. Excuse me. Some people No, I just as >> the water and some people back as the dryer, >> but now we each know what you mean. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, toward the water, there's a a current deck on the back of the house. We're going to enclose that threeseason room, put a deck on top so that the footprint doesn't actually change. Um, we are going to deal with the water uh with an infiltration system. There's over 30 larger trees on the property. So digging into the soils near the trees and

008rain gardening and that kind of thing will disturb a lot of the root system of the trees which we're trying to maintain. So the plan shows a rock out crop. Those rocks are currently on the site just piled up. They've been there for how long. We're going to use those rocks. We're going to raise the area 16 in the rock height is keep looking and we're going to build an infiltration system behind it to control uh the roof leader waters coming off the house. That's the way to keep our trees happy, clean the water, get our lake through the soil and and get it because our graphics show water just drain right towards the lake as most of the lake properties are. >> Um Jeremy, Jeff, any comments? Uh, no. I mean, overall I thought

009there were good improvements. We saw this plan looked good to me. No. >> Okay. >> And I would get beg the commission's forgiveness. When we came back here last time, I was at my daughter's graduation, so I had missed this. So, I was in Virginia. Otherwise, I probably could have answered your questions a lot better than Joe did. Um, Joe really didn't have much knowledge about the project. Um, but when your daughter graduates college, you you go everything else in life gets put on hold. >> Uh, just a couple things. Obviously, you had an engineer design this. >> Yep. >> Did he provide any calculations as for the infiltration area? >> Uh, we actually designed the three times a one inch rainstorm. >> Okay. But did do you have the calculations? >> Supposedly he has

010them. >> Okay. All right. Um, and also what are you doing with your footing drains? >> So, currently the house we don't know if it has footing drains. So, the house is built as a cottage without a foundation. And in the 80s at some point, the previous owner put a foundation in. There's currently a sump pump that drains to an old septic system that's currently on the site. So, the sump pump drains to the septic system. Um, we don't know much more than that about it and we're not going to be able to find out until we open up that septic system, come back to to staff. And >> when when the town insisted many years back that everybody hook up to a sewer, you're hooked up, I assume >> we are. >> And they

011allowed you to keep the septic system functioning. >> I don't know. >> I was gifted what I was gifted. Am I happy about it? No, but this sewer s this sewer this infiltration system has the capacity to take any water. I mean the the foundation is not wet but there's signs of moisture on the walls >> so it can handle it if it were to happen. If not there's a pump there with a mechanical method. >> Obviously you can spend a lot of money in this house and it would make sense if there is no footing drains. I think are you going to disturb the yard? You going to do >> No. So, if we do footing drains, we're going to do them on the interior >> for where? >> We're going to cut the

012floor out of the basement. Do interior footing drains and then pipe them through the base of the u the base of the back wall because the back wall is exposed on the house. So, it's got a walk out basement. So, we have the the opportunity to go through there. We have to do excavation to put new peers in uh where the deck currently is and where the threeseason room will go. And the only reason we're doing that is because we don't know what those peers are. So, we're just going to assume that they're not going to be functional for the new construction and and handle what we got. So, we're going to use pre-cast peers and and that's where we're doing our construction. That's the vast majority of the construction is taking out the old

013peers, lining in the new peers. There's a couple retaining walls back there. We got to dig them back just to do the construction and then put them right back. >> The the topography on your property is pretty steep from the road down. >> Well, from the road, there's two more properties. >> So, we're Yeah, we're on six property. It's probably 30 or 40 feet in elevation change from the road from Lake all the way down. Are you entertaining anything in terms of the runoff, just natural runoff coming down the hill? >> I'm not happy with what we have, but I have four neighbors that all share the same driveway, so I can't make decisions on their basis. Um, what we're what it's pitched now is it's pitched along the side of my house. So, the

014whole roadway comes down and pitches right toward the side of my house. So, if we can just alter it just a little bit, we can actually get it to come into this infiltration area because it's on the same side of that road, which is currently that's what's happening now except it hits my house and then bounces off my house. I've only witnessed it one time in a rainstorm. >> Gary, >> he answered all the questions that we have. You know, adding the sil fence, he added sil fence to it. Question the leader drains. They designed this stone detention basin for leader drains. My advice would be put your footing drains into your leader drain. Let it go to the same spot. >> Should we make that a mandate or >> could be a condition of

015approval? >> Yeah. The other option would be into the septic system. Believe it or not, I've seen that before where a previous septic system was used to infiltrate because it's it's what it is. It's an infiltrator. So, that would be the other option. >> Even the septic system, they're not using a tank. They're just using a leech field itself. Correct. That's all. >> But yeah, you could do that as a condition of approval. Sure. >> Okay. And uh I guess the last question on my part, are we satisfied or do we need an independ independent engineer to review the plans? >> I don't think there's any major Yeah. >> Any major work being done other than the peers and the trench for the >> for the legion? >> Okay. So, I have a question. The

016the deck in the Three Seasons that wasn't on the house before >> the deck is currently there. >> The impervious walkout basement patio. >> Oh, okay. So, this >> So, the area is currently impervious. We're we're we're only using the current impervious spaces to build the new footprint on the house because we are below the the minimum standard. >> That makes sense. >> So all we can do is what we have. >> Okay. >> I don't you want to actually look at pictures like I have a rendering of me. >> No, that's fine. It just >> it makes sense. You're adding adding that room and there's no change >> per say impervious coverage. They actually cut their impervious back too by leaves. >> That's what happens when you make straight lines and square things off.

017>> Any other concerns, guys? >> I a motion >> should be a small bond on it only for the fact of something should be put on it for the estimation. Um, >> do we we didn't talk about any kind of hay bales or uh silk fences or anything like that? >> He's got on his plan. He's got a silk fence on the plan he sent all >> and we're satisfied with that. >> Yeah, it's right around the bottom. >> Okay. >> All right. Who wants to make a motion? >> Do we have a bond? We're going to $1,000 bond,000. >> Okay. That has to be posted before you do anything. >> Absolutely. Uh motion to approve IWWC25-8 uh 59 East Lake Street. Remove existing house, reuse foundation and footprint, construct new home with second floor.

018>> A second. >> Okay. Um the standard u issues remain and the two additional ones is a bond of $1,000. And the uh >> I I'd like the engineering calculations just to be submitted to to these guys. Yeah. Just so we know. >> Make sure for the purpose of permitting. >> Yeah. So when when this goes into your file, it's it's there. >> No problem. >> Any other conditions? >> All right. >> Uh you said you want that just as part of the >> footing drains. Uh go ahead. about the footing drains. >> Well, the footing drain we we want to mention something. The fact the footing drains have to tie into your >> to be perfectly honest with you when we got to the point because I didn't want to disturb anybody's summer. So,

019we're trying to we're trying to move this construction starting September after everyone uses it. Um, it was one of the things that we had to look at regardless because I prefer a free drain and gravity system for the footing drain as opposed to mechanical. mechanical things fail. >> I would tie it into the same I would check my calculations to make sure you're all set with >> Yeah, >> that's what I would >> All right. So, put that as one of the conditions also. >> Okay. All those in favor of approval, unanimous. Good luck with your project. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks for coming before us. >> Uh, next order of business is IWWC 25-12, Ken Hawkins. uh 406A East Wakefield Boulevard. Repair approximately 20 ft of stone wall. Repoint remainder of the

020wall as necessary. >> That's your neighbor. >> Yeah, but this is neighbor. >> I know this is working across the lake. >> You want to introduce yourself, please? Ken Hawkins, owner of the Kenmar company. >> I'm Matt Hawkins. >> So, you're representing the owners. >> He is. Yes. >> Yes. >> I stopped by yesterday. I think yesterday, unless I'm mixing houses up, but I there was a young lady there who was a sister-in-law or somebody. >> Oh, white tape. Tracy Tracy Lee. Yeah. >> She said no one would be here. That's why I was surprised. Okay. >> She said no one would be there. she said to me. >> Okay. >> I wrote down looks okay out of town. >> All right. You just want to finish up with us. Um so you're you're talking

021about a small area 20T give or take. >> Give or take. >> You're you have a lot of contours and you have a lot of rocks that fell into the lake itself. >> Uh what's your plan with him? >> The rocks that fell into the lake. >> Well, I I haven't seen them other than from a boat. Uh because when we look at it in the march, they're still standing. >> Well, they're not out. They're right adjacent to the wall. They may have been part of the wall at one point. >> The smaller rocks were placed there to help retain the Keystone patio that was installed. Um so, you know, they're not part of the wall. The wall was in front of that built along. >> Now, you're not doing anything with the stairs, are

022you? >> No. >> Okay. Those were fine over the winter. When we looked at it over the winter, there was nothing wrong with the staircase there. It was perfectly fine. >> Did you provide a full-size copy of the map, which we asked for? >> Full size, >> something that's legible because the copy you gave us last month was like on an 8 by1 and it was not legible. Well, the original one was the same thing. It was just an enlargement of that. >> Yeah, we were looking for the true like a to scale. >> We've got a digital version of it. So, I assume there must be >> we had asked for it. That was one of the things we specified. We spec specifically asked for wall details, how you were going to construct it,

023what you were putting behind it. >> We got I got that here. I can pass now. >> Yeah, I thought Yeah, usually it's nice to get it submitted earlier before the meeting so it's in our It's a hand drawing thing and to be honest with you, we're we're dealing with ledge and b large boulders and you know there's really not a construction detail. >> It's hard it's hard it's really hard to >> Yeah, we were just you know the thing is the map you provided was like an 8 by11 and it really wasn't legible. So in my mind for us to approve something we need to know exactly where you're working and specify >> staff has requested a number of different files from me. If you look back there, >> we haven't got them. So,

024there's a breakdown then between staff and us. >> I I know I submitted a 24 by 36 in. >> You know, whether you guys >> Yeah, we didn't get it. We didn't get it. >> This is what we have. >> Yeah, that >> Yeah. Well, I I mean I I I provided a PDF in a 24 by 36 format. >> Yeah, usually you have to provide fulls size copies. >> Well, I wasn't made aware of that. Do you have a copy of that of the big one? >> I can make I can print one. I can't do it right now. >> No, no, I You have though. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Um, you're not going to begin any work on this project until the draw down. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, then we can

025we can sort of continue the this uh uh application to next month and in the interim just provide us. Do do we need to return and to meet with you again? I mean, >> I don't want to say don't return because if we have a question and no one can answer it, >> uh, you know, it puts us at an awkward position. >> I I understand, but you know, I started out with this application and I provided some information that got misconred that we were doing a lot more than we really were. And it was from a plan that was approved by this commission 10 years ago that we did. And you know, I have a feeling that if I did a handdrawn sketch really quick, you know, there would be no issue here. And

026you know, probably we wouldn't be sitting here. I I mean, obviously, did you go out? Okay. >> I said I saw I saw you sisting with somebody on the back porch. >> No, it's no relation of ours. Well, I did go out, >> but you you see what we're dealing with large boulders that you know. >> Yeah. And and and the the good part of it is that there's no urgency to close this application tonight. >> No, no, there is >> because >> the urgency is that we need to do the work at the high draw down because of the water level here. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's going to be October 1st. It starts to drop. >> We understand that. That's why we're here now. >> August and September. And normal draw downs, we'd

027be standing in two feet of water, rebuilt wall. And that's not >> even you your waterfront doesn't go down that much in a in a regular draw down. >> I I mean, I was there a couple times uh this winter and it was ice right up to the base of the wall. So, um >> Okay. >> All right. Are you comfortable with that, Matt? That >> Yeah, I think like I said, I just like to see fulls size copies and I know you weren't at the last meeting, but we I thought we made it clear, but if you requiring 10 copies or Well, how many copies do we need? >> Yeah, like the legible. I mean, for us, >> I can make a 24 by 36 copy of it. >> Yeah, I think that and

028then just highlight the area you're exactly working. I didn't go out to the site because in our packets when we got them this weekend, there was no additional information that we we requested. So, that's why I didn't do a site visit. But this way, we can go out there with a map and say, "All right, this is where it's working. This is how you're building the wall. Put crushed stone behind it. We have no issues. Yeah. >> Or we have an issue with something either or you know. So >> is there before they leave is there anything else we want to see? >> The only thing I think on your crosssection >> engineer the only I would show on here between your 3/4 inch stone and your dirt. >> I I have no idea. We

029could be hitting boulders back there. >> Doesn't matter. It's going to infiltrate into the 3/4 in stone and it's going to go out into the lake. >> Okay. When the high water comes up, water goes down, it sucks the fines out. >> Should have a fabric, but that's >> normally normally, you know, when there's a wall, we like to have it engineered. You know, in your your case, you don't have >> I don't know if you can find an engineer that >> No, no. I'm just saying your case is just Yeah. >> so small. >> Yeah. >> Right. and obvious. >> Yeah. >> How tall is the wall? >> Two to I would say off a water level right now it's 18 in maybe. >> Yeah. 18 inches to feet. >> And then how far

030below the water level adjust. >> Okay. >> But you can drill into the ledge and dowel it and >> you could drill into the ledge and dowel it with some rebar or something to I'm sure >> depending on what we're looking to rebuild what was there that lasted who knows how many years. So It's going to be mortar and stone. >> Yeah. >> We'll put some wee poles in there and you know. >> All right. If you have any questions about our comments or what we need, just make sure you touch base with Jeff or Jeremy. >> I just want to clarify. Do we need 10 copies printed copies or? >> Yeah. >> In our packet for >> Okay. >> All right. And we pick up our packets the Friday before the next meeting. >>

031One comment I have. Go ahead. >> As an applicant here, that was not made clear to me that you needed a full-size plan, you know, especially when I'm doing something online and I'm submitting a PDF that anybody can go on the computer and look at. >> I mean, transfer what you submitted to what we looked at. >> I understand, but you got to I'm submitting a plan that's 24 by 36 in a PDF format that I can blow up and scroll around. >> All right, point well taken. You know, >> you know, maybe it should be specified that you require something like that, but I I would have done it. >> Matt requested last month. >> I wasn't here. >> I was here. You requested more plans. >> I assume. >> All right. Let's not

032bel >> you're clear of what we're looking for now. >> Yes. >> Okay. And if there's any >> just to specify LA last month I think there was you know and through staff's request I blew the area up of where we were working. So you know what you need to I'll get you the plan. I just >> Okay. >> But just I I don't know what the hangup is. I'm seeing this whole site is where you were there. We're we're working 10 to 20 ft of wall that has to be built. >> Okay. Do you have any confusion as to what they're going to have to give us for next meeting? >> No, I've got the list here. Uh I apologize if there was some unclear communications. We'll we'll tighten it up. Okay. >> All

033right. Um sorry for the inconvenience and for the delay, but you know, it it sort of puts us in a better position. then you you're going to get, you know, ultimately what you you're asking for, but at least we know what you're asking for very specifically. >> Sure. >> All right. So, uh >> uh is there a motion to uh continue the application 25-12 to the August regular schedule meeting? Is there a motion to that effect? >> Motion to continue IWWC 25-12 uh to the August meeting. >> Second. All those in favor of continuing. It's unanimous. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for understanding our position. Uh next application is 25-13. The applicant is James Randolini 272 Perk Rock Trail to extend the dock and add inflatable swim platform. Install fence in UI A. Uh,

034you want to introduce yourselves, please? >> Jim and Lynn Brandolini, 272 per truck trail. >> Okay. Um, I visited the site and um I didn't necessarily see any issues at all and what they're asking for. >> It's all within all within the guidance. >> Yeah, it's pretty cut and dry. >> All right. >> Oh, I have one question. How are you going to secure that floating device? uh with with an anchor >> and you're going to pull it out. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to leave it there in the winter. It's going to come out in the fall and with some help from somebody and go back in the spring. >> All right. And and just so you're a Just so you're aware, the furthest point of that can't be more than 40

035feet from the shore. >> Yeah. It wouldn't be anywhere near that, Steve. Okay. >> Yeah. It's >> No, we use it for little grandkids. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is >> closer to the shore. >> You don't intend to tie your boat to it or anything like that. Okay, we're good. Anybody? All right. Anybody want to make a motion for approval? >> I'd like to stay a little longer. >> I guess you had a short drive. >> All right, I'll do I'll make a motion. Uh motion to approve IWWC25-13. Uh James Brandolini 272 per truck trail extend dock and add inflatable swim platform install fence. >> Second. >> All those in favor of approval. >> All right. Unanimous. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Have a good night. >> Get out of here. >> Rob,

036we're gonna make this work. Look, I don't I don't know if I actually need this if they have full size sets in front of them. I know my plan. >> So, it's up to you. >> Yeah. I mean, with Nardella, I might need to do that. >> Uh, with this one, yeah, I have full size set, but I'm going to end up needing it in a minute with I'm up next. >> Oh, all right. Rob, whenever you're ready. >> Okay. Uh, good evening. Uh, for the record, my name is Robert Collabella. I am a senior project manager with Haley Ward. We presented last month and you accepted the application for a raise and reconstruct at 602 East Wakefield Boulevard. Um, the only revision I think you asked for was to add footing drains to the

037plan. And if you have the revised plan in your packet, I did add the footing drains to the plan. Nothing else has changed. The rain garden we designed is calculated in the drawing and it's to collect the first 1.02 I think it is the new the newest three 1.03 inches of rain. The new guidelines have moved from Connecticut state guidelines have moved from one inch of rainfall to 1.03 inches of rainfall. The first 1.03 inches of rainfall that came out in the latest Connecticut guidelines. So, we did uh size it for the 1.03 in of rain. And if you have any other questions about the application, I'd be more than happy to answer them. If you want me to put it on the screen, I can do that, too. >> Before you go to that,

038a couple of questions. One, are you doing anything with the garage up the other street? >> Not touching. >> And what about the I'm going to use the word treacherous to get from the street down to the house? >> Yeah, we we have two paths. One, there's a uh if you I don't know if you were out there. If you were, you saw the the utility pole retaining wall that's kind of holding up their parking area up at the top. Well, that is going to be probably a segmental block wall. At its highest, it's less than >> the right of the garage, I think. >> Well, looking at the lake, it's to the left of the garage. So, um, and we have at the end of that, I put a set of stairs. And then

039I put an optional path for walking because his mother, who was going to visit with him, she's in her 80s, and she might use the path rather than the stairs pretty soon. She's halfway between using the path and the stairs right now. So on what I did do though was I included the path and the stairs in the impervious calculation and we're still less than existing. So we we've made it less non-conforming at least impervious cover we did. So um uh to that end when we're involved in a public hearing on two uh five days from now on the 22nd uh for a special exception permit for this same application. So uh any other question? >> I had a second. You're not touching anything on the waterfront at all? >> No, not that. He that

040that seaw wall down there, I think it's pretty new. Yeah, it's brand new. Yeah, >> he doesn't have to do anything there. [Music] >> Covered everything. >> Are you Are you going to be able to bring excavation, you know, equipment down that hill to get to remove the debris? >> Yes. To the right of the garage. To the right of the garage. with that was his where he used to park his boat. That's was part of the impervious cover that I eliminated to get him, you know, below existing. Um, and he has that's perfect access there. We have enough uh filters, sack, and uh straw bales and areas to protect the lake from any excavation. Uh the excavation will be, you know, kind of minimal. I mean, it's still a walk out at at that

041lower level. I mean it's a walk out at the lower level and we you know we tried to keep the existing floor where it is. We try actually I tried to raise it to keep get things up a little bit more but if I pulled it up even further then their pitch to the lake it was extreme and water was just going to be flowing that way. So I kept it down brought the lower level down a little but so it doesn't just go shooting off the back porch. Um yeah, I mean, yeah, they have plenty of room to stockpile material and, you know, circle it with straw bales and whatever else they need, but uh that's in the narrative, uh the erosion control narrative. So, uh contractor has to abide by our erosion control

042narrative. You know, our wetland agent will make sure he does. >> Any other concerns, Carrie? >> No, I don't. No, looks good. >> You good, Jeff? >> I think there should be a bond on it. Only >> Oh, absolutely. >> Yes. >> Jamie, anything. >> Bond. How much? >> 2,000. >> Two grand 2500. >> 2,000. >> Yeah. >> The reason >> there's going to be a fair amount of esavation. >> Yeah. For the for the for the foundation. Yeah. >> But the other thing is there's you're going to be tracking around whether you have a lull whatever is tracking around constantly so I think the 2,00 2500 is a good >> either or 2,00 2500 whatever you want. >> 200 2,000. >> You sure? Okay. Um D'Angelo Builders is the contractor. >> They just finished

043a project down the lake also. >> They have about six projects going around the lake right now. Yeah. He's really really busy. Called me today for another one, but I'm so swamped. I'm think I might have passed on that one. >> All right. Any other concerns on our part? So, the only condition is the uh $2,000 bond. >> Everything else is standard. All right. Who'd like to make a motion? >> I guess ahead. >> I'll make a motion to approve IWWC-25-16. Applicant Matthew Maloney at 602 East Wakefield Boulevard remove and constru reconstruct home. >> I'll second it. Okay. Uh the only additional commit condition is the bond of $2,000. All those in favor of approval. It's unanimous. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> You're not moving, right? How we doing? Are we talking about

044booies? >> Yeah. Now you're going to have to bear with us. Yeah, we're going to move. >> Okay. I already got it up there. >> Oh, for this way. >> Jeeoff, we're going to do the buoys first. >> Oh, okay. Uh, >> you can sit there and listen. >> What's that? >> We're just going to keep trying to work this over until we get this. >> All right. Go ahead. >> Continue discussion. Yeah. >> Um, one of the concerns of a couple of commission members is that um We don't seem to have good control in my opinion anyway of the buoys that are out in the water. Um I know there are several types of buoys that um that are permitted. Uh there are buoys that are put out there for convenience. Uh there are

045certainly buoys that are out there that are not permitted. And we I think we really want to get some kind of a handle on it and see if we can do something to uh enforce buoys that are just not permitted and are way way way out into the water. Jeremy, you made just I want to find it before I made reference to it. Uh There are two you you make reference in your staff notes. I can't find it now. Uh where the boys are coded one by the state and one by the commission. You want to just review the difference for us. >> Yeah, you've got um >> I read it. I don't know where I read it, though. >> Essentially, I think it's safety buoys, the ones that are are um governed by D

046and then the the sort of swim buoys or buoys that people put out there at the end of their line that they're they're you know connecting the boats to or whatever those are your >> under your right now the rock buoys I mean how do we know there's a rock underneath the buoy you know I mean you know being frank >> I mean you don't unless you get the deep water dry down and you can see or you're out there underwater. I guess >> they should be permitted even to put a rock out should have to come here for a permit right off the bat. You know, whether somebody wants to go out and vote and make sure there's a rock there, that's that's another story. But every every moing boy that's out in there,

047we are trying to get regulated now. All we're seeing as you go around the lake, we're seeing those red ones that are 60 feet, 80 feet out everywhere, okay? And they're just popping up more and more. I mean, >> and I think >> and they're almost a navigational hazard, you know. Um, the other thing is a navigational hazard. I saw it this weekend in front of Jeff. People pull through there with water skiers and you pull through there with people on tubes and there's boats coming every which way to Sunday and some some kid falls off of that tube going through that we're going to have a problem. It should be a no wake zone. It's no wake zone for for small crafts for for jet skiis. They can't go fast and make a wake

048yet you can water speed through. You can Way back, the ski club used to have a regulation that stayed behind wake going through the narrows. That was just a club regulation, I don't think. >> Well, problem is everybody's out there with not in a club. >> There's there's like five people left in the club, I think. >> Is there any the red buoys are are an individual preference or are they coded to something? >> I'd have to look that up to be honest. Okay. >> All right. Good. Well, that's why we're talking about it. >> They are supposed to be >> What's that? >> A red and a green buoy are supposed >> red, right, green left. >> Yeah. >> Both is on the right side. Left side. >> Oh, they're all one color. >>

049Certainly on a river. That's true. I don't know if that works in a lake, though. Cuz which way are you returning to, >> you know, river? It's red, right, return, but >> it worked in the class when I got my boating license. >> Yeah. Well, that's what they teach you. I mean, that's why the buoys are >> again, you know, channel markers. >> Yeah. And then you see a lot a lot of white buoys and sometimes there's three four houses in a row consecutively that have a white buoy 50 60 feet out and you know if you look at it somewhat subjectively the way I'm I'm looking at it you know they're creating a swimming area to keep the boats on the other side of the buoys and that's not permitted. You can't create a

050swimming area. >> You can understand the residents concern though. I mean you have to understand that. >> Yeah. that was on the the shorefront just before I came up. There was a guy that was 4 feet off my dock flying by in a jet ski flying and that's supposed to be 200 feet, >> you know. >> So, it it just happened. So, >> you know, one of the things that we have no say and we don't push much for it, but you know, the police coverage on the lake is minimal for for the most part >> at best. >> Well, it's it's more this year, but it's not >> Yeah. And and you don't see this happening when the police are out there, you know. >> You know, I mean, they don't speed down Main

051Street when when the police are out there either, you know, but that's the deterrent, you know. We we can't enforce that kind of issue, nor do I want to get involved in that, you know. >> No, but the the moring buoys and stuff like that, you know, we're crucifying the people coming here. You want to do some work on your waterfront. Okay. You can only have moing buoy 40t. All right. Yet every time you go to that lake, you're finding another one that's set out further without permits. Something's got to be done by it. You know, somebody's got to go around and say, "No, get it out. Bring it back." You know, we're making people abide by a certain rule. >> Yeah. Letting other people just get away with it. You're better off not coming

052in, just putting it out there, I guess. >> You know, >> I'll be glad to take you around, Jeff. You can >> Well, I won't. But I will say that they they are building up the marine patrol. You guys may be aware they sent a whole class uh seven boat launch and so on and so forth. Uh I was supposed to go out last Thursday on the police boat because I had some enforcement actions I was trying to look at from the water. Uh too busy to make it. Um Sergeant Hubard was great. She took the pictures I was going to take. Um but all that to be said, I do plan on getting out there. Um If this is an action we want to undertake, we can we can maybe start looking in certain

053areas and you know maybe if the work gets out maybe it's a little self-regulation. I don't know. >> The only one I'm aware of that is permitted is down across from Ryan's house. We had the girl come in last year >> right next to Carro. >> Yeah. We let her put it out there. And the other one is on uh Unity Cove where those that there's a rightway and I think Becca has a right to tie off a boat out there, >> but we let her put it out but not over 40 ft. >> No. No. Okay. >> No, she's within the 40 ft. Everyone, every permit that we've ever given has been 40 foot. The tail of your boat can only swing out so far if it's a moing. >> I think we allowed

054her 50. I >> but there's nothing tied up if >> you agreed not to nothing's going to go on it at 40 foot your boat can swing or whatever. >> Yeah, >> but it's just that like I say you're driving around you see more and more. >> All right. I think you know I think the purpose of just introducing the concept of talking about it was to sort of alert the you know the enforcement part of it. Uh sort of get a sense that we're we're we're pretty accurate in in terms of how many are out there that they're out too far. It's a matter of how we proceed and and do something about it if we can. So, uh you know, >> I would say a nice letter to them, you know, you'll find

055the the illegal buoys >> and a nice letter and say you got to pull out and if they don't, then that's >> well identifying which property the buoy belongs to is also problematic. Um, >> not everyone has their address posted on the waterfront like they're supposed to. >> Uh, another option, which might be a little more heavy-handed, is to remove the buoys. Uh, and if anybody wants to come collect them, we can find out who they belong to. >> Well, >> either or. >> Yeah. I mean, we're at a point now where in reality for the rest of the summer, nothing's going to change in reality. Maybe If you can identify some and move during the course of the winter so that they don't go back out next winter, next spring or summer, that might

056be beneficial. You know, some are very obvious, very obvious. And uh like I said, there are some addresses where three or four of them in a row, you know, to me that's just a red flag that they're creating something intentional without permission. So you know let's see if we can move somewhere ahead on this keep them on the agenda and you know if next month you come back with something or we come up with something >> yeah we'll discuss internally among staff and uh and leadership >> and and you know I don't know if you can request that the police in their patrols for for just from the perspective of safety and a navigational hazard maybe they can identify some bullies to us or to you. Yeah, like I said, uh there's going to be

057more teamwork in that regard. So, this could be something that we we continue to build out. >> Okay. Anybody want to add this before we uh move along? >> Okay. Thank you for accommodating us and moving it up on the agenda. All right. We're going to move into new business now. [Applause] >> Yeah. The on first application on the new business is 25-17. The applicant is Richard Nadella at 734 Lake Drive. And the proposal is to remove existing house, detached garage and shed, construct new house with attached threecar garage. For the record, introduce yourself, please. >> For the record, my name is Robert Coella, senior project manager with Haley Ward. um here today representing Richard and Carmel Nardella for their uh proposal at 734 Lake Drive. Now, I notice it keeps getting put in here

058that remove existing house. They're not removing the existing house. They're only removing the second floor of the existing house. It's in the application that I submitted um to, you know, online and in hard copy. So, they're not actually removing the entire house, only the second floor. And their their plan is to move this garage. Eliminate this shed. Oh, let's go over here. >> Yeah. >> Eliminate this. Eliminate this shed. >> I'll zoom in a little for you. Come on. >> Wait. Now they're all >> You have fulls size copies in front of you. There is I would have brought my easel, but Shane told me that they were working. >> All right. Um, so let's uh if you have your fullsize tapers in front of you, we'll work with those. So they're going to remove

059the existing shed. They're going to remove the existing garage and move it back to the house. So, if I go, this is this is the existing conditions plan area. This is the existing conditions plan. Um, as you can see, this is what they have. Let's go down to the proposed plan. [Applause] Oh, yeah. It's going to work. Next. There we Oh, imper I jumped one. Okay, here we are. Proposed. So, do you see the red? The red is the existing house that they're removing the second floor from. And they're adding uh if you see this area right here, they're adding this proposed condition. It meets all the setbacks, etc. And um this is a bump out so they can have a larger kitchen. Um a couple of the really good things that are happening on

060this property uh are are going to benefit the lake. One of the most important things is on the next page which is impervious coverage page to get it to here before there. So impervious coverage on top is existing. You see all that blue? I color coded it this time. So, try to make it a little bit easier for you to read. Um, all that blue on the top is asphalt. And if you go if I go back one page right here, you see this catch basin right now, it's sitting in that asphalt and water is just running to it and going into the lake, off of the asphalt, into the basin, into the lake. So, what our plan does is we that catch basin is about right here. So, we're removing the asphalt from this

061entire area and reducing it to to this. We've also uh removed a portion of the sidewalk over here. We we also removed this larger patio and replaced it with a smaller patio as you can see here. Um so we've actually reduced impervious from 48% to >> 38 is that 39 and a half >> 39 and a half%. So let's see uh details. We have erosion control throughout. I'll go back to the proposed plan. All right. So we have straw bells protecting this area where the stairs are. You see the SB line there. Uh we also have filter side going around the whole supposed goes from here all the way around to here. That layer turned off. >> Bob, could you do me a favor, please? >> Yeah. >> Go back a couple of previous shots

062where you had the impervious impervious the colors that that picture the question I have. >> Yeah, we'll get there as soon as it stops doing that. >> On this on this picture, where is the water? Where is the street? >> Here's the water. >> Water is over here. This >> now. So then when you said there was a catch basin up in that corner by the blue. >> Yes. >> And it was going into the lake. It traveled across the whole property. >> It does. >> I will show you that right on the existing conditions. There is there's catch basin here in the road goes to this catch basin right here. >> Yeah. >> And then the surveyor located there's the pipe running down all the way to the lake and it discharges at the

063lake right there. And then he gave us a flow line here. Approximate pipe outlet. It was covered at the time and ice and snow, but it's there and that's where it discharges. >> All right. For purposes of clarity, not obviously not tonight. >> When you make any adjustments on these maps, just indicate where the water is on certain pictures and you know, where it's clear, it's clear. >> Yeah. I mean, where I wrote Highland Lake here, I probably could have put it on the >> Yeah. Well, that's why I, you know, that confused me with the catch basin >> because she said it goes right into the lake and it does >> and then lake is right on top of it. >> Oh, yeah. The word lake. I get you. All right. You got it.

064All right. Thank you. One of the interesting things real quick so you can I got to get out of this. >> Uh so when they built their seaw wall, which is actually quite impressive a while back. All right. Wrong way. So, this is their seaw wall. I don't know if you remember like a few years ago the commission used to ask for stone a stone separation barrier between the grass and the lake. Uh kind of went a little bit like one step beyond this crushed stone is 8 ft deep. At the 4ft level it has filter fabric. At the one foot level has another layer of filter fabric. And I can show you that right here as soon as I can. Let me do this. That's them putting it in. Let's go back one photo.

065It's a better photo, which is this one. This is the the filter fabric at the one foot level. They also have another layer of that filter fabric at the 4 foot level. So, uh, the back wall is 9 ft deep, front wall is 8 ft deep, and we plan on using that area to discharge the roof leaders and any well, I don't know if we don't this, we're not changing the first floor at all. The finished the basement and the first floor are remaining. The only thing that's getting changed, they're building up, they're ripping off the second floor and reconfiguring the bedrooms and reconfiguring the floor plan on the second floor and the roof lines. Um, so they're going to be discharging through the wall above that filter fabric, the roof leader and the drain.

066And go back to the plan soon as this wants to obey us. Sorry. over here in this corner. Uh so kind kind of where it is. That's where it is now. And we're just going to make sure that it is in there. And not only that, but we have the calculation up here for you for the volume. So what I did there was the existing piece don't over filter fabric storm water infiltration uh total area the volume in cubic feet uh with refers 1.3 in of sorry not 1.03 1.3 in uh of the roof. As you see, it has uh what we did was we calculated the void capacity because obviously we can't fill the stone up. So, we could only fill the voids which is only 36% of that size stone. So, it it

067can handle 351 cubic feet and we're the infiltration is 308 cubic feet. So, we have enough volume there and I only took the volume above this the lake level. So because any water below the lake level obviously has water in it already, right? So I only took the volume above the lake level. Um so in that instance there is calculation. It wasn't just hey let's just dump the water over here into this beautiful looking stone reetment that we have in front of the lake. Uh I know that today you're only accepting the application. Uh hopefully accepting the application but if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer any others. This one >> on the catch. Have you inspected it? Does it have a sump in it? It is a true working catch. >>

068Is a true They're both true working catch. >> Okay. >> Two foot sump or so. >> I don't know if it has a twoft sump or not. >> You're not moving any sewer lines, anything like that? >> No. Well, it's it's tight. the the grinder pump is tight to the to the wall, but um it can't it can remain. I mean, when the when the health district looked at these when we first put the sewer system around the lake, you know, most people don't conform to the state health code. I mean, you can't have a well within 75 ft of a grinder pump. Um the grinder pump has to be x amount of feet away from But they understood going around the lake that nobody could keep up with that. But it was much for

069them to have all this water going into a sewer line than septic systems with leeching fields heading into the lake. So when they did it, they made exceptions for everyone. However, I don't think we have to move it, but if he does, it's only moving over a foot or so from where it is now. >> And what about um >> the wells across the street, >> the wells on the other side >> this property over here. >> There's not no city water here, obviously. >> Yeah. So, as far as prudent and feasible alternatives, what I looked at was two different things. One, I looked at moving the actually moving the garage to the other side, but there's a couple of reasons why you can't. One, the wells there. Two, um, you can't have an accessory

070structure without a primary structure already on the lot. So, we couldn't do that. So, then I thought, well, you know, maybe I can swap them out, you know, but I really didn't want the sanitary going under the road. Well, is one thing. Sanitary is a whole different ball game, but because then you got to get over a long run for gravity and that tough gradient from here. I don't know if you can get them. So, the other thing I did by looking at moving the well on this side and the house on this side, saying, "Hey, look, I understand you don't have a primary, but they're going for a variance here." Anyway, they can go for a variance there, right? On the other side. >> You know what? You know what this sounds like? >>

071What? >> Who's on first? Who's on third? >> Well, I just call me Lou >> and I'll call you both and we can we can move. You know, I'm a baseball player, right? >> Uh, let's see. We got letters from both neighbors on on either side. That's one from the Sonat 736 Lake Drive. And is this the same letter or is it different? And this is from 732 Lake Drive at the O'Donnell on the other side. So that's both of his abutters. Like I always do, I always ask the applicant to go talk to his neighbor, show him the plan, say, "Hey, you know, do you approve? >> We'll decide if we need a public hearing." But, you know, >> so then this is the other Oh, that's the wrong one. That's the actual document.

072Is there a propane tank that's buried or anything like that? >> Not that I know of. There. So, this is what the drawing looked like when I thought, hey, maybe I can get an a variance on the other side and move the weld to this side. However, when I did this thing back in when I did this little exercise back in May, what you see here in red are all the different setbacks that a well cannot be in. The big circle you see is the 75 ft from the grinder pump. The two small circles you see over here are 25 ft from a drainage system. Also, 25 ft from a drainage pipe puts this line way over here. 25 ft from open water puts this line right over here. and then his roof leader and

073footing drain. If there isn't going to be a footing drain, I tried to separate them so all the water wasn't going to one area. Also set those off at 25 ft. You didn't end up with a single square inch on that side of the property that he could put a well. >> So we looked at that uh as a prudent feasible alternative. Uh he's going for a variance and there will be a public hearing five days from now on this project. Maryanne will be there. So, I'm pretty sure she's gonna hit me up on anything with wetlands. Um, there I mean I think I've presented what I need to and I know you have a busy schedule tonight and I know you're only accepting the application, but are there any revisions you'd like to see

074between now and when I come back next month? >> Well, just the one notation I made suggested with the lake. Yes, absolutely. >> I'll make sure they're clear. >> Instead of just saying Lake Drive and on all the plans, wherever I show a full >> plot plan, I'll put it. Yeah, the impervious cover, I tend to leave it off because I just >> But you're right. It should be there. The blue should be actually on the other side near the lake, right? So, but no, they really are. I I like the fact that he I was able to talk him into removing a lot of his pavement up there. First, he didn't want to, but I was able I was saying, "Look, you have plenty of room. I got you 18 feet before you even

075have to turn over here and leave on on only on one side. The other side's a little tight, but um it it makes for a better because I it makes for a better beast because now you don't have salts and sand. They're they're going to be filtered before they reach the catch face. And so I I think that's only going to help things, you know, rather. I know I can't we can't do anything with the one out in the right away. This is a private drive, so um it has to be approved by all people. It was once paved not too long ago, but that was done by the neighbor two doors down and he's the one who wanted this done and he went out and he might have even paid for it. But >>

076now in our staff notes, uh the staff has requested the following information from the applicant. >> Absolutely. >> Did they already got those calls from you? That's all. Yes. >> That go after the fact. >> Did he include to your satisfaction? >> Yes. >> So all of these one to seven are all addressed in his presentation. >> They are. >> Okay. Because I just looked at your comments now. That's why >> I my comments are before our back and forth. >> Okay. Again, just to be sure. >> Yeah. So when they go into the online I have the opportunity to see whenever Jeremy or Jeff or anybody makes a comment and I usually reply to them as soon as I see them or try to reply to them as soon as I see them depending

077on my schedule but yeah I I think I did respond request for an as survey also. >> Well as will be after it's >> just okay. Anything else you guys are the drive the whole driveway is going to be repaved also? >> Yes. >> As as the blue is going to be pavement. >> This is going to be the new asphalt. Okay. >> This is the old pavement. All this is in blue. >> I I' I've tried to start doing this for you guys. So, make it a little easier to see my little dots there on my little So, blue would be whatever I say there pavement and green brown is the buildings and green is sidewalks and patios and decks. Red is like utilities and such. So >> I mean it's down to what

0781300 square feet of proposed driveway >> from what it was that >> approximate 1380. >> Yeah. From 20 What was it before? >> 3,85 existing. >> Yes. It's going from 385. He's going from 3,85 ft of bit to 1,380 square ft of patuminous pavement. >> Permeable papers would look really nice here. >> You know, he he he's talked about it, but he his wife wants the his wife wants the um I I got I have a detail of it and he he couldn't talk her out of it. There we go. This is that concrete with the blue stone embedded in it. I tried uh but I did get him to remove at at one point we had the impervious at one point uh he had the walkway going all the way up to this turnaround.

079But I said, you know, why don't we get a little bit more impervious off of this property and make a change? And you know, there was other reasons why we had to make the change, but we made the change. Um, and he was satisfied with it. And I mean, basically, he's not walking really down that area as much. He said he usually just comes in and doesn't really bother going down that. >> All right. Couple of questions on my part for the commission. Um, do we need a public hearing? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, there's going to be a public hearing before ZBA. >> It's going to be on the 27th. Uh, do we need this project to be reviewed by an independent engineer? >> No, I don't think so. >> No. I don't think

080so. >> Uh, and you're not touching the waterfront. >> No, not going in there. I mean, the closest we're coming is to remove this over ex. This is This is like a like what she wants, the stone inside the concrete. That's what that patio is now. Can we reduce? We're actually reducing the size of the >> Okay. >> All right. Any other concerns or questions? You guys good? >> All right. Is there a motion to accept? >> I make a motion to accept IWWC 2517 Richard Mandela 734 Lake Drive. Remove existing detached garage and shed. Construct new second floor on house attached to threecar garage. I'll go second. >> I'll second, >> Jeff. All those in favor of accepting. >> All right, it's unanimous. Matt. >> Oh, yeah. Thank you. >> See you next month.

081>> Okay, guys. >> Thanks, Rob. >> And Tuesday. >> And then I'm going to Tennessee. All polar is in one place. Brooklyn, Long Island, Florida, Ohio. >> Are you Are you Are you finished? >> Goodbye. >> Next application is IWWC25-18. The applicant is Sean Stanzy Alley and the location is 504 East Wakefield Boulevard. And oh, before before I go to that, let's correct the uh proposal on that last application that it's only the second floor. Okay, thank you. I uh 504 East Wakefield Boulevard and the proposal is to demolish an existing house and attached garage, construct a new house with an attached garage, a detach, demolish an existing house and detached garage. Construct a new house with an attached garage. Remove and replace retaining walls. Remove and replace patio. Regrade site. Address driveway configuration. Remove

082and construct. Reconstruct lake wall and steps. Remove concrete. Install jetting. Construct new walkways. Install boat lift, jet ski, lift and dock. Okay. Complicated for sure. I for the records, please introduce yourselves. >> My name is Sean Stanziel. >> Speak louder. >> My name is Sean Stanziel. I'm the resident at 504 East Wakefield Boulevard. >> My name is Kyle Casease. I'm the engineer for the project. >> Okay. If you don't mind, can I say a couple things before my end? >> Thank you. >> Just wanted to for everyone to if they didn't know that we went through the process um for a special exception and a variance about three years ago. Um since then, we decided that we want to make Winstead our primary residence. Our plan is to pretty much remove our garage and attach

083it to our house. um rebuild our seaw wall and jetty and make our dock more conforming uh to the stuff act, grade our land and uh and approve our um drainage and our impervious surfaces. Kyle can give you all the details. >> So you're my understanding is you're proposing construction of a new house on the property and then you want to address lots of issues on your waterfront. >> Yes. The things that are not non-conforming like my Jetty, you know, and >> just so you're aware, >> Steve, I'm going to have this set up here because this connection works. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Well, I see change the uh inputs. >> Um just as a heads up to you, um because you have been approved for certain things on your waterfront, okay? Um

084once you you're addressing your broader front all over again, then the commission has the right to bring everything that you have that's out of compliance into compliance as part of your approval. So I just want you to be aware of that as you move along. >> Okay. >> Whenever you're ready. >> Yep. >> All right. >> Good. Take your time. There's another one over there. I don't know if >> that that will once it's on. >> Okay. >> All right. So, the the existing site has a detached and detached garage and a single family home with a couple existing decks and a patio in between the basement, the walk out basement and a retaining wall and then a second a set of steps that runs down to a secondary retaining wall and then down to

085the lake. Uh, this project proposes to expand expand the house to the the south and over here um with a a deck along the entire frontage and a patio underneath. Rebuild the lake wall and relocate the stairs to the southern part of the the property. re rework the dock dock setup with the boat the boat lift and a a jet ski lift. Remove the existing concrete jetty that juts out at the the northern property line and then relocate the the driveway to the the south just a little little bit. Um and then with that the impervious surfaces up here. So, wasn't sure how the the regulations would interpret it with the the jetty that juts into the lake. Um, but with with the jetty, you're currently at 38.8%. Without it, we're at 38%. And overall,

086the project increases to 39 a.5%. But we're incorporating a an infiltration trench to capture the the runoff from the the roof leaders behind the lake wall. And then the the site is fairly impervious as it is there. This area here >> has ledge and rock outcrops. We're planning to to blast that out and then top soil and seed the area and have a like a buffer stone trench along the driveway. The driveway is going to be pitched to the south at at 2% coming across and that can filter through the gr the newly installed grass surfaces before it makes its way down and heads towards the lake. Let's see what else. Um, so in in place of having the the two retaining walls in the back, we're going to make a larger yard area between

087the lake wall and the one retaining wall that we're proposing. Um, that'll be all grass. some of the the sloped areas to the north and the south of the patio. We can I don't have the exact plantings, but that'll be an area we can install plantings to to help with the erosion control and stability of the slopes that are on each side of the structure because the the front portion is relatively flat. It's it's got pitch to it, but the two sides of the house are where we're really going to have um steeper slopes. And then it it flattens off again once we get down to the lake. I'll open that up to any questions anybody might have. Talk to us about the proposal on the waterfront. >> Our proposal is to re So it's

088currently a field stone masonry lake wall. We're proposing to to tear it down and rebuild it in the same configuration just with the stairs moved to the south. And then the docks setup will be um rearranged because currently they're off of the existing concrete jetty. Um we're proposing to eliminate that and then have the configuration as seen here. So, where is the new dock? Is that >> the green is the the proposed new >> Okay. >> And is there at the closest point to the latoral boundary of the neighbor up there? >> Yep. The dock is 19.4 feet from the the nearest latoral boundary. >> Okay. And at land, how far is it? >> Uh, at land, I don't have that. So 12 15. >> Okay. >> And then so it's it's probably 13 ft.

089>> It's got to be more specific than probably. Yeah. >> But and the other thing also is you're proposing to put a jet ski lift between the dock >> and the which is not permanent. So it's going to we're going to have to have a public hearing for that because that's within the latoral boundary. You could park a boat in there, >> a jet ski in there, but you can't put a structure in there. >> Uh, you know, even if you remove the structure at the end of the season. >> Okay. So, that that's why I indicated to Mr. Spre's alley that uh, you know, we now have different control over the waterfront that was allowed before be changed. Okay. And what else are you now? Is the wall that you're proposing the seaw wall

090is that an engineered wall? >> Uh, it is not. Well, so there's to be rebuilt with stone masonry with the the crushed stone behind it. >> The commission's position on that. It's going to be it's you're going to need an engineered wall. >> Okay. >> Is that correct, guys? >> Yeah. >> Matt, I can't see your face. >> Okay. >> How tall is the wall? The wall ranges from at the southern edge it's 32 in and then it's 44 45 in at the the northern boundary. >> So you're raising it a foot. >> Raising it a foot. >> Is there a survey in this packet? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> And I can pull that survey up actually. So this is the existing survey as done five years ago by okay Tim Wy. >>

091All right. So on this you can see the existing concrete and this I believe is the proposed dock setup that >> if I remember previously there was a um a public hearing because of the concrete which pre-existed this owner. >> Yeah. >> And as a result of the public hearing we allowed it because sometimes the lesser of two evils is to leave what's in the water already rather than disturb everything to take it out. But you're proposing to disturb and take out. Okay. >> And now the you wanted a boat lift somewhere else. >> Uh yes, >> a boat >> the boat lift will be attached to the the proposed >> dock >> at the front of it the way it is. >> Yeah. Uh at the if you're look from land, it'll be on

092the left side of the the dock. >> So if you're standing looking out at the at the lake, it'll be on the left side. What's that? 9.0 ft. >> Uh, that's the the width of the the proposed jet ski. 9 by 12 and it's 10 x 10 and then the bolt width's 10 x 12. Anybody know what what the standard width of a a double jet ski lift? Is it 12 feet? >> I don't know the I was just asking Jeremy the same question if uh in the narrative that was represented as a double jet ski lift or a single. Just answer that. >> Yeah. I mean that's what size it is whatever it's made by. So we measured it. >> You said double. >> Yeah. So, we measured it. >> Okay. >> Um, >>

093but it can be taken apart in half and it just be a single tail. >> It may have some kind of a walkway on the side. >> Yeah, that's what I think they're like about 50 in a piece and plus the >> that could account for the width >> between it. >> So, going back to the the the dock on the end of the walkway. >> Mhm. The 40 ft line going out >> y >> is the length of the walkway and then part of the dock is incorporated into the walkway up there. >> Yeah. So the walkway is 30 feet and then the the dock is 10 ft off the end of that walkway. >> Just highlight the the the walkway itself which that's one side of it. Okay. So then then the the

094the dock is straight in front of the walkway, not to the left or to the right. >> Right. The boat lift is to the left of the dock is what I was >> Okay. All right. How many feet of waterfront do you have? >> Uh 78 ft plus or minus at the the water ordinary. So 30 you're allowed 34 feet of waterfront coverage >> of the 78. >> So >> right. So 39 ft. >> What? >> 39 ft 7. >> Oh right. Thank you. >> So we have the 10 10 and 12. >> Yeah. 32. >> 32. >> And there's nothing this way on the other side that Okay. No. >> All right. >> Do you have a trampoline out there? >> Yeah, that's to be removed in the We're not going to have it

095anymore. So, you'll see on the thing that to remove trampoline. >> And you're aware you're allowed only three vessels in the water at the same time. Okay. >> All right. Now, that shed up there is coming out. You said >> the shed's going to remain. >> Oh, remain. That's an existing shed to to stay. >> Okay. Or the other proposal had >> Yeah, the other the other proposal had it been removed. >> All right. Anybody else? Jeremy Jeff. >> No further comments. >> Okay. >> Um Gary. >> All right. Um because of where you're positioning the jet ski lift, it's going to dictate us to have a public hearing. >> Um if from moving and putting on the other side, does that change anything? >> Sure. >> I have no problem with >> you know

096if you move it out of the lro boundary >> I have no problem putting on the other side. >> So I will add Mr. Chairman, we we as in staff, and I put this in my report to you as well, we did receive some comments from some of the neighbors who are interested in the project. Uh, close up to the commission as to whether or not you want to hold a public hearing if the jet ski >> well that's the jet ski is a mandate, right? >> That's a mandate. >> Understood. But I wanted to let you know we've received some comments from members of the public and then left commission. So then I I think it behooves us >> to have a public hearing for public interest. >> That and also maybe an independent

097engineer with all these >> the wall has to be in independently engineered the wall and what else? >> Well, our guy Hilderbrand that that >> Tom Yeah. >> Okay. I mean with all these elevation changes. >> Yeah. >> And and the slope pile that you know dropping 18 feet. That's that's a that's >> you know your site goes up and then it goes down, right? Goes up to the garage and behind the garage it goes down. >> So next to from the house to the property line is like a minimum like a funnel. >> Yeah. >> It's like a a narrow turn sideways to get through it. >> Yeah. You have uh we have there six six feet wide at the the narrowest point between the property line and the the retaining wall for the

098the >> Which side is that on? North or south? >> Uh, south side. And then on the north side, it's 2.6. And the current condition on the existing house is 2.1 >> between the the house and the property own for the existing conditions. >> I think it would be staff take a look at it. >> Yeah. >> And also public hearing in my opinion. >> I I think part of what we're going to ask you to do is to provide us with the the engineered uh wall. Uh we're not going to have a public hearing as a mandate because of your willingness to move the do the jet ski lift, but you have to show us that the move for the next meeting. >> Absolutely. >> And uh we we will conduct the public hearing

099because staff has indicated that uh somewhere along the line neighbors or budding neighbors have indicated that they'd like to have a say in what's proposed. Is that correct? Yeah, we've received a couple of comments. >> Okay. So, is that about the building or is that about the site work control? >> Both. I mean, I don't want to get into detail because it's, you know, but yeah, essentially both. >> Is there a complaint? Is it public knowledge? >> It's not a complaint, right? I mean, right now in writing >> it's not in writing or it is. >> I have written comments which are about the project. Normally those would not go to the commission unless you have a public hearing. I'm letting you know as a courtesy to the folks and it's not a complaint in

100the sense that you know there's an enforcement action that needs to be taken. It's concern about the project. >> So it's public interest. >> It's public interest though. >> Did the letter get admitted from from the Gonzal family that day for the project? It should be should be in there, right? So I know I >> Yeah, I know. I turned that into >> I know in the past if there's been written stuff or repair >> it was because you didn't note it in the staff comments. Did you note that? >> I did. >> You did? >> All right. So would I suggest that you meet with Jeff or Jeremy? Probably Jeff is more available >> and and talk about the the responsibility that you have to inform the public. Uh certified letters have to go

101out. that has to go into the papers. Jeff, >> I'm sorry. >> With regard to public informing the public about a next meeting in the hearing then? >> Oh, yeah. So, you'll meet with them and >> yeah, make sure we'll be in contact. >> Okay. >> Same as Go ahead. >> Um, same as the prior applicant. We're part of that public hearing for next week for PNZ. I just >> Yeah, but >> I know >> I don't know whether or not >> prior applicant had people neighbors somewhere. No, no. I'm just I just wanted to make it aware that we're part of that process. >> It's a major project. >> I just I I saw you just figured it'd be good public hearing. Just let everybody know that we having a public hear. We'll be

102part of the public hearing next week for PNZ. And I know this is different, >> but just it'll be u comments will come to light there as well that we'll we'll take. >> Okay. Whatever. >> Anything else that we're asking them to do before the next meeting? So we we agree on an independent engineer from all these. >> Yeah, I think so. It's very complex. The wall is complex. >> Walling on an independent engineer. >> Yeah. One time guys. What? >> Yeah. I mean, if the commission is in agreement, I think, you know, I know we got to get some calculations. Obviously, you're dumping the the footing drains behind the wall >> and um obviously we need calculations on that stuff there. And then just obviously, yeah, there's a lot going on here. So >>

103I will note too that this is another project that has to go before the zoning boards as well. So just be aware of that schedule for their agenda for next week. >> Okay. >> I don't know whether or not we'll have an answer by the time your next meeting rolls around from TVA. So we'll keep you posted. >> Okay. Um when do you propose if you get approval down the road? When do you propose doing this? >> Well, obviously the draw down. So that's so it would be to be as neighborly as possible. So I would suspect it all depends on when I get through this process. So as early as >> you're talking in the fall. >> Yeah. So this is the year. >> So you're not putting it off for two years or

104something. >> No. No. This is the plan. The plan is to >> How how are you going to address taking down that that pier out there? >> I mean I wouldn't that's not even a question at all. Like a an excavator has a 32 foot reach. I mean, guys would shovel it into a bucket. It wouldn't That wouldn't be very hard. I Nothing has to go on. >> Can't. >> Yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. I mean, to reach out, it's 27 ft. >> Um, so it would >> the pier is 27 ft. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that would be great. >> You're going to need a decent sized piece of equipment. >> Series machine would get >> Do you get that kind of equipment back there? >> I've done a lot of construction projects. So,

105I have commercial buildings, 18 acres in Chester. I've done a lot. So, this is pretty basic, but um it's not a concern to me, but to the board, yeah, I guess, >> you know, we have to do >> there's plenty there's plenty enough land to move at that flat area there. Uh there's going to be it's like 30 something feet of flat area, so it'll be pretty easy to work from. >> Okay. >> So, >> all right. Is there any anything else that when they leave, they understand where we're coming from? Anything missing? You leave anything out? >> You know, you're talking calculations for the footing drains and stuff of that nature. I'd be more worried about what's coming off that driveway coming to the neighbor. >> I I don't think the driveway's going towards

106the neighbor. >> It's going to when it's 2% coming this way and >> I mean, their proposed grade is uh I mean, there's walls on both sides, >> but it's coming down. come down on the house. >> Oh, on the waterfront. >> Yeah. Yeah. On the waterfront. >> Waterfront. >> And most of that cross, >> a lot of that land is ledge. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, nothing's sinking in. It's just going to keep going. >> It's just the stone that you have around your driveway. >> Just do some kind of a calculation of what it's going to take for for your sheet flow coming off your driveway coming across. Because if you have frozen ground >> and that stone doesn't take it, it's coming down around the house and coming across the neighborh I

107don't I think it's pitching back towards me though I think his property goes up higher at that whole line from the south line everything is >> going up from these points towards his house >> at the road you're what 913 at the road and you're 9006 at the garage. >> Yeah. >> And you pick it up six feet, you keep it flat. >> Oh, you got to just get rid of that water. >> Yeah. >> You know, like you're saying, it's all ledge. If you can't get down, you know, you're saying you're blasting out a bunch, you know what I mean? It's got it's got to have something someone's got to take the water, you know, and we're always going with these with these uh little drains in the backyard, you know. This that the

108other thing as far as >> this is a challenge. challenging site and project. >> It's complicated. >> All right, staff. Anything? >> I just want to make sure. So, uh, we're going to have public hearing and we're going to engage an independent engineer. >> Yep. >> And we need a survey of the wall, an engineer survey of the wall. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Yeah. Well, provided we have >> right >> the detailed information and chances are the it's more than likely I'm I'm going to put that to use those lang words. It's more than likely that the independent engineer will probably not have had time to review what you need to give him for the next meeting. I'm just being practical about it. You know, we don't know his workload, so

109to speak. Uh I know he's He's very conscientious. We've used him in the past. Uh he's detail oriented. Uh and he's thorough. So, you know, the more time you give him, then the more likely it is for him to review it and get back to us. If he can do it by the next meeting, great. Um we pick up our packets the Friday before the meeting. So, that really doesn't give you a month. gives you like three and a half weeks. And if he gets it and even if he has it and if we don't have time for it to be in our or he doesn't have time to get it into our packets when we pick it up and it appears on our desk, we haven't even had time to look at it. So,

110I just want you to be aware of that aspect of it. >> Anything else, guys? >> Just so the applicants aware, and I think it probably is, we have the ability to exercise extensions if we did. So, >> yeah. Oh, thank you. >> If and we >> All right. Do we have a motion to accept? I'll make a motion to accept IWWC 2518 Sean Stans Valley 504 East Wakefield to demolish complete house wall, replace docks, boat lifts and also will require a independent engineer and a public hearing. >> Thank you. >> Second. All those in favor of accepting unanimous. Okay, thank you very much. Let me just move my papers around. Okay. Which way is my pile going? >> I couldn't move. >> Oh, you moved it. That's why. >> Yeah, I'm just >> I

111think it went the right way. Next application is 25-19. The applicant is Evan McDermad, uh, 832 East Wakefield Boulevard, and the proposal is to repoint existing Lake Wall. For the record, introduce yourself, please. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Evan McDermott, 832 East Wakefield Boulevard Winstead Connector. >> You want to talk to us about your proposal? >> Yeah. Um, we'd like the uh to take advantage of the the deep draw down this year. Uh, we'd like to take a close look at the seaw wall that uh surrounds our beautiful property and we'd like to uh patch it up if it needs some patching. Right now, if you guys were coming by on a clear morning, the water's super clear. You can walk around it and see that it is in good shape by my opinion. But

112we want to get ahead on maintenance. And if it does need some repointing, basically what I believe is going to happen is we'll have a contractor come down, put some cement in between the stones, and um I guess unless I calling it wrong, I I believe it's called pointing, repointing. >> Yeah. So that's it. >> How deep is it there? >> Uh it's probably about three to four feet. >> Okay. you you'll get dry with the deep draw down. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to get to the bottom of it and that's something that I'm looking forward to, you know, and it's uh just repair and try to stay ahead of anything that might uh surprise us down the road. >> Jeff, anything? >> Uh nothing more to add further than that. We were

113entertaining the idea of maybe by right maintenance, but because it's in the water >> and we have time. Okay. So, it's not going to come to an agent determination. >> No, this is going to It can't go to an agent because it's in the water. >> But it is it is a maintenance. >> Yeah. >> Just a simple maintenance. >> Maint like I said everything is in vertical position. I don't have any collapses. >> Um but I just want to make sure we don't have any collapses. >> Okay. Smart. >> All right. So it's not complicated. Is there a motion to accept? just all work to be done by hand. Obviously, >> all hand equipment. Yeah, it's going to be I'm calling it spackling, but >> are you are you are you doing it or

114you having a >> No, I'm going to have a professional do it. >> Okay. So, you really don't know the extent of it until after October 1st. >> Yeah, because we can't see it. I mean, we don't have the ability. I mean, we could take a mask and go down and take a look. >> It's in pretty good shape. >> Okay, good. All right. Is there a motion to accept? I'll make a motion. Motion to accept I WWC25-19 Evan McDerman 832 East Wakefield Boulevard. Uh proposal repointing of existing lake wall. >> Second. All those in favor of accepting it's unanimous. Thank you very much. >> See you next month. >> All right. Thank you. Um I have a conflict. My wife has got some physical um medical problems and we're going to have to be

115out of the state uh during the next meeting and I don't know what that holds for my future. >> Can we just do it? Send Jim to represent you. >> Jen, I send Jim. >> Send Jim. >> Well, I think >> we have a very serious >> none of us are going to be able to really determine the extent of the pointing or stacking, whatever word you want to use because we won't unless we go in the water in reality and then down deep we won't probably won't be able to see much. Um, I'm going to say in the worst case scenario, we would probably continue the application should we have any questions after visiting the site. >> Yeah. >> U, and that still gives you plenty of time because you have August and September

116before the deep draw down in October. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> So, you know, you're not getting delayed by your wife's condition. So, >> can we just set it up now to uh delay it for next meeting? >> Why would we just I don't know. >> Why would we delay the the appointing of a wall? >> The reason I say that the reason I say that is we've been putting out the fact that it's going to get busier and busier and busier for us. >> Okay. And we're putting we're putting something that's >> Why don't we Why don't we just decide that on next month's meeting? >> I would be happy doing it tonight, but it's not a modification. So, >> no. >> If he has a representative come in, I would represent It's really cut

117and dry, so it's not >> It's pretty simple. >> Okay. >> Jeff, you want to say something? >> Oh, good night. >> All right. >> I just don't want to start backing. >> Yeah. No. Well, this is >> Keep it moving. >> I didn't see anybody's going to be here, so Right. Uh, next application, IWWC25-20. The applicant at the uh, town of Winchester, Joanna, I can't pronounce your last name. Jessup. >> Okay. >> Not to interrupt, >> Steve. We're not going to use this cable back here because it's stroke somebody out here. >> We can I mean he could >> if if we need a computer let's go with it. >> This is a heads up. >> He wanted a heads up on it. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's all. >> Yeah. It's cut and dry.

118So >> one question, Mr. chair for that last applicant, would would it be acceptable if he's out of state to bring him in via either Zoom or a Teams meeting or something along those lines? So, he's here virtually. >> Why wouldn't we have a representative come? >> If he can't get a representative, >> No, I I think it's good that you're asking and I think under the circumstances where he knows ahead of time and it's a it's a medical condition, I think that that would be acceptable to me under these circumstances. >> Yeah. Okay, good. That would very thoughtful. Can't get anybody. Might as well. >> All right. For the record, you want to introduce yourselves? >> Uh for the record, Jim Rollins, director of public works, town of Winchester, and with me is uh

119town's uh engineering intern, uh Joanna Jessup. Uh she's the one that did really all the work on this, all the design work. Um so I will hand the project over. I'll just give a quick introduction to what we're doing and I'll let her answer all the technical aspects of it because she's the one that did all the work. >> Did you Did you bring a bus with you? >> A bus. You throwing her under the bus? >> Oh, yeah. She's used to it. It's like it's just just the way we do things down there. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. So, um, you all are familiar with the property on the corner of Herbut Street and Birdsall Street. You're coming up Pratt Street. You bang it right onto Herba. As you're approaching, you know, going up

120towards Risha Beach, there's that town-owned property at the corner of Birdsall, which is just a mess. There's there's trees, vegetation, invasive weeds, and there's this dinky little, you know, lowgrade wetland stuck at the bottom, and it's just kind of a disaster area. Now, um, what we're proposing to do is take that crazy slope that is unmaintainable and soften it a little bit by filling in part of where the existing wetland is and expanding that wetland out a little further from the toe of the slope and creating a like a constructed wetland water quality basin. um which will capture the drainage coming off of Birds Off Street. Um kind of the logic to this is we want to take away a low functioning wetland and turn it into a high functioning wetland. We want to take

121storm water that's on Birdsall Street that currently flows into a drainage system that runs down Pratt Street and overwhelms the culverts down there and actually give it a place to be stored and dissipated to take those surge loads out and give that drainage at least a little bit of a break. um take care of an ice problem that causes a lot of salting and maintenance on Birds All Street. And then ideally the regrading of that lot will turn it into something way more attractive, way easier to maintain. And if there's enough revenue left over to turn it into like a little park area so that it's >> Wasn't that that lot? Didn't you dree it for lack of a better way of describing it several years back? We we several years back we took down

122some trees that were dying. >> Um and then we put in a we had an icing problem that that wetland would >> isn't this lot. Isn't it next to that prefab house? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Y that was a modular put in right next door. Yeah. Yeah. And then when that modular was built, some of that construction activity just took liberties with the town owned property and pushed material over there. And you know, so that kind of contributed to the problem as well. But um but our our our main goal is to find a place for the storm water that's on Burbsall Street, which now doesn't have very good drainage. Find a place for it to go where it can be treated and keep it out of the storm drain that runs that it's

123an old stone culbert that runs down Pratt Street. If you remember several years ago, we did a road crossing on Pratt Street where we put a pipe in. That pipe is maxed out. It is, you know, we get we get inches from that with a big storm. So any of this water that we can capture before that only helps things. And if we can treat it rather than just send it, everybody wins. So that's the that's the objective here. Um, Birds All Street has kind of a retaining wall that holds it up which is deteriorated and failing. This will help address that. It will there's just a lot of, you know, a lot of benefits to it. Um, but the lot really the reason we're here is because the the wetland that's there is going

124to be reoriented. It's kind of long and narrow and we're going to make it a little more a little more round. It's certainly not a round shape. you you'll see that in the plans. Um, but it's it's multi-function. Take a, you know, a really poor non-functioning wetland, turn it into a higher functioning wetland, and get that water from the road into the ground rather than into the storm system that's already overwhelmed. The benefits of that are we can change the grading, improve the look of that, and we get a lot of complaint, not that that's a wetlands issue, but we get a lot of complaints about how awful it is looking at that. You know, as you're approaching the high rent district, >> you guys going to do that yourself? >> Don't know. Don't know.

125We we could if we had the manpower. It's it's it's more where do we put our efforts? You know, some places it more cost effective to do it ourselves. Some places it's more cost effective to sub it out. >> How much time do you need? >> Um I think a contractor could do it in a couple of weeks. It would probably take us a little longer than that. Um >> so I will let Joanna take over and talk about the math um and you know explain the drawings and you guys should have drawings of everything. If you need something up on the screen, we can fire it up and point you through it. Go ahead, Joan. >> Yeah. So, um, any questions so far or >> I just gave the other guy a hard time

126about drawings we couldn't read. >> so the drawings that you you do have one in the larger scale, right? >> No, >> you don't you don't have you don't have this size. The >> 11 by 17. Yeah, the larger scale is the 11 by 17. >> I still can't read. >> Wow. I figured if I could read it, you guys could read it. But >> you must have good eyes. >> But anyway, we can c we can certainly print these out bigger for for the next meeting. >> Yeah. I mean, it was just >> the reason we brought this one in at uh at a little bit larger scales because this is really where the action is. But go ahead, take it away. >> Yes. >> Has this just one question. Has this land been

127determined to be wetlands? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I have the report right here if everyone wants to take a look. >> I can hand that out. >> Thank you. >> That drops almost 200 feet there. >> Yeah, that's I can't read the topography either. It's not 200. >> Those are two foot one foot contours. >> 837 is the bottom. >> Okay. 837 to 8 >> 63 or 64. >> So 37 >> not even 27 ft. >> Okay. Go ahead please. >> Yeah. So we're basically just taking as Jim said this flat line to kind of orient it more so that we can have that sediment for bay in the beginning kind of catch all that runoff coming off from the street and off that land and then the rest of the most of the area

128of the wetlands is just going to be treating the water. So that's why we kind of reoriented it that way. And also we're going to take that piping off birds all and direct it towards that rip wrap to also kind of catch some of that sediment coming off the street. And um yeah, and as far as the calculations are, the wetland is pretty much the same amount of area as the existing one, if not maybe a little bit bigger. Right here I have the um where is it? The existing wetland area is 1,000 square feet and the proposed wetland area is going to be 1,200 square feet. And yeah, >> so in addition to that, the catch bases will have sumps. So we'll catch sediment before it gets to the for bay. The for bay

129will capture it before it gets into the the newly constructed wetland. on on this picture here. >> Uh I I I see Birdsaw. I see the wet wetland flagged area. Uh I see uh Hallebertton Street going down. Are there any catch basins in front of this project now >> or proposed project? >> Um you can see it in the in the large 11 by7. You have one catch basin right off the corner on the left side of Birdsall and >> Oh, I see a manhole >> on the very left on where we propose kind of that. >> Oh, I see. Well, but that's on the that's on the uh on the like south side of Birdsaw because Birdsaw is a street coming down. >> Yeah. >> So that's so that >> No. >> So that's

130that that's not a reality. That catch basin is not going to catch any of the water from Birdsville. No, >> it's coming down from Halibet from there. >> So there Oh, I I see a storm drain >> referral right at the apex of uh >> there's two existing storm drains right there. >> One >> there's two on either side of the hurl but on the closer to the corner. And currently those two storm drains connect to that main pipe going down the road on Hurlbut. But we want to redirect that water and take that water away to the new wetlands. There is a >> there is a drawing one of the 8 and 1 half by 11s that shows existing conditions. Um And that shows, you know, two storm drains that are on birds all

131that go into the the round manhole that's kind of within that within the sidewalk instead of >> they're noted on this picture. >> On the other one, the small the existing conditions one. >> I think you said the 8 and 12 by 11. >> Yeah, this is Yeah, that was the one you were holding was the 11 by 17. and half by 11. >> And what am I looking for, Jim? >> So, there's two existing storm drains that are on Birdsall and they go um into that round uh that round basin. It's actually a a manhole that's that's built over the bigger uh the bigger pipe. That's where it goes now. That's the existing condition. And those two basins are going to be, you know, relocated but replaced essentially. They're connected to that manhole. >>

132They are now. And post construction, it will be connected to the new wetland. >> So, you're going to divert them from the manhole? >> Yes. >> To the wetlands? >> Yes. Instead of going to the manhole, it's going to go to the new wetland. Yep. >> But if they're connected underground, >> they won't be afterwards. >> No, but if they're connected underground, you said the purpose of this is to divert water from going down over. >> Yeah. But the water is is contained. When >> I say going down Herba, not over the surface of Herba, but through the pipe along Herba down to Pratt Street. >> I'm not getting it. >> I can tell. >> You're thinking surface water. >> Yeah. He's trying to get rid of the piped water going down the Pratt Street.

133He's trying to minimize the pipe water going to Pratt Street running it into this wetland to >> mate. It's going to be a retention right to the manhole. >> Yeah. Correct. >> Right. So, they're going to take it from they're going to change it and go from there to there and then from that catch based there like this. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> We take it take the sharp corner out too. >> Yeah. We're going to we're going to try to round that corner. And you know, one of the other um advantages Well, I'll let I'll let Joanna take care of all those questions. >> Yeah. So, currently on Birdsall going to the going that uh corner that I took out, we wanted to make it more perpendicular to Herbut because that sight line

134is kind of difficult coming in going to the right coming off birds all. So, that's why we kind of brought that out and brought the sidewalk more. We're going to redo the whole sidewalk and the manhole to make it uh because there's stairs there currently, but we want to just make it smooth because we are smoothing it out anyway. So, it'll be less steep, so there's not any need for stairs there. >> Yeah, cuz currently having steps in a sidewalk is not exactly an acceptable thing in this modern world. >> Are there any I don't think there are any existing sidewalks over there at all? >> There are. You just can't see them because they're so dilapidated and covered with weeds. So that prefab house has a sidewalk in front of it. >> It's actually

135okay in front of that house. >> I don't know. I'm just, you know, >> okay. >> All new concrete sidewalks. >> Um, >> or what do you propose for that? >> What's that? >> Granite. Granite curving. >> I made that mistake. I'll never make anything. Uh so it would be by two minutes curbing there probably. Um we haven't really decided whether it's going to be asphalt or concrete. Um currently it's I think asphalt over concrete. >> Um >> sure. >> So is that what it is? Asphalt over concrete makes sense. Um >> oh okay. So I would prefer I would prefer asphalt. It's way more cost effective. Uh being a town parcel, I like to have the asphalt, especially where it gets some sunlight because we have to being a town parcel, we have to

136clear the the snow off those sidewalks. And having black asphalt helps melt that down better than having concrete, which just stays frozen. So, my first choice is asphalt. I typically get push back from people if I put asphalt sidewalks down, but it's in some places it's In a lot of places, I think it's more acceptable and that would be my first choice. >> Would you do the neighbors sidewalk also? >> We would we would stop at >> at the property line >> at our property line. The in front of the neighbors is actually pretty okay. >> I don't know. You know, I know the location. I just don't know the specifics of what you're saying. >> Yeah. Um, again, we we have to try not to make our mission creep. >> Yeah. >> Make a

137project impossible. You know, that tends to happen. So, we try to limit ourselves to the task at hand. >> Any other concerns, guys? >> I my my my major concern as always anytime the town comes before at least this commission, I always ask for a public hearing. You know, I I just feel there's a need for the town to be as transparent as any other applicant. So, uh are we good with that or am I overstepping? >> I think in this in case you actually required to because it's work directly. >> Why didn't you tell me that? So now >> I'm telling you. >> Okay. So now we're going to have a public hearing. Thank you. Thanks for taking me off the hook. >> Now tell me why it's required. >> Because it's work directly

138in a wetland. >> All right. >> This is reconstruction of >> wetland. >> Okay. >> It's not just the upland review. It's the actual wetland. It's the actual wetland. >> Okay. So then leave public hearing bit. Any other concerns? >> Nope. >> All right. Um, any any is there a motion to accept the application? >> Motion to accept IWWC 25-20 applicant town of Winchester Jonah Jessup and Herbble Street construct wetland for drainage along Birdsall A. Second. >> All those in favor of accepting. All right. Uh John, I I don't know if you're familiar with the process for going about a public hearing, but touch base with Jim or people in on staff. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Have a good night. >> Thank you. You too. >> I could just I mean I know

139we've talked about this. I brought it up numerous times, but can we work on getting Jim a blanket five-year permit? >> We we've talked about it. That would not be covered by this I understand this one wouldn't be, but I know I've asked. >> They've been hounding me to get into the office to make that happen, and I just cannot. >> This is the third or fourth time I've asked for it. >> You'll probably ask for another dozen before we >> Well, that's not a good practice. So, let's make it happen. >> Got it. >> It'll make everybody's life simpler and then you don't have to stay here till 10:00. >> Okay. Have a good night, guys. Thank you. >> You sticking around, Jim? Nope. >> No. Okay. help test them. I guess I'll test

140them off. >> Okay. Okay. >> Agent determinations. There are none. >> Uh agent actions rather there were none. Agent >> Well, under all the Yeah, we have a couple determinations. Um the first I went with uh Marinavo to look at 535 Wheeler's Point. They uh lost some trees, so they want to take them down completely, including stumps. They're going to be planting eight new trees. Uh pretty simple project. >> New trees or new shrubs? >> Uh abroite. So, >> okay. >> I don't know. What do you want? >> Technically, yeah. >> No, no. I just giant I guess giant aries end up more like trees than they do. >> The best thing are the green giants. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay, second one. Uh 24 Torington Road, Torank Ford Road, sorry. Uh remove of existing

141shed and replacement with a new barn because it's in the Elton Review area. Uh they did need to make an application, but the project is simple enough where a felt agent determination was appropriate. >> Okay. No as of right determinations. >> No as of right determinations. Uh we do still have 139 West Wakefield Boulevard carried out the violations. Oh, by the way, that was in our packet. There was one letter in our packet and there was no reference to 139 West Wakefield on it. So, I questioned Jeremy before the meeting. >> Okay. >> And all it said were all parties had to be present and this and that, but it didn't identify very much. So, >> I apologize. No, I just I should have picked up on that. >> Okay. No, I just uh if

142anybody else >> and furthermore, because Babage isn't the headline uh defendant, it it makes it more confusing. >> Okay. Okay. >> In any event, court appearance has been scheduled. I'll be prepping with attorney delegate for that >> and we've already >> the buoys 815 East Wakefield Boulevard, the driveway. >> Oh, okay. Uh, there it is. Sorry about anybody, you guys are probably all well aware of 815 East Wakefield Boulevard. This is a uh steep driveway which constantly washes out onto the town road. Uh public works had been scraping up the material and depositing it back on the owner's property. That practice has ceased. Uh they now take the materials with them because the town wasn't supposed to hit the road. Uh in any event, uh the discussion has been going on for a while on

143how to remedy this situation. uh we finally came to the decision internally that this is technically a blighted condition. Um so that does a couple things for us, but most importantly uh allows us to tap into our blight beautifification funds. Anytime we get a blight lean paid to town, it goes into a special fund uh which is supposed to be used to remediate further blight. So, because this meets that definition, uh, and the homeowner is financially, uh, incapable of taking care of this driveway herself, she has agreed to, uh, the town to pay for it, which will then put a lean on the property for the full amount, which she could either satisfy over time with payments, uh, or when the property eventually transfers at a future date, uh, it would be required to pay

144back that full lean to the town anyway. So, One way or another, we're getting that money back. But the important part here is the driveway will be addressed. It'll no longer wash out. Uh it'll continue or uh make the road conditions safer and no longer get into the lake. Um because the town is going to be taking this project on. It will be subcontracted out, but uh Jim has expressed a desire to do some additional drainage improvements in that general area. uh yet to be determined if that driveway drainage might tie in with the town drainage. That'll all get figured out. But I think in the in the end this will be a great improvement. >> Will this come through an application by the town? >> Uh I haven't thought about it. I'd have to

145measure to see. >> Again, just think about what are they going to do? >> I mean, I I think so, but I don't know off hand. >> But you know, you should take a ride by there if I'm not mistaken. And I went by there the other day and I looked up the driveway and just run it out. I think I see a sewer pipe green >> and there's SDR35 or something. But >> that might be drainage because >> Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't know what it is, but if it's sewer, you know what I mean? They they it's not a gravity sewer >> because it's all under a pump system. It's not coming down to a station, you know, or a sump. So if it is a sewer pipe going even though

146it's STR 30 45 or 60 or 80 STR 80 probably could break that would not be >> it's all chewed up at the back at the the end that you see the visible end of it is all chewed up. >> Yeah. I don't know what it is. It could be just a drain. >> According to the owner there there used to be functioning drainage there. Uh so >> the sewer sewer should be down. >> Yeah it should be inch and a quarter coming out of the grinder pump. >> Right. So it after the home it's inch and a quarter. >> What are we going to do to it, Jeff? You have to pay. >> Uh because of this the the steepness of it, it's going to have to be paved. Uh according to our driveway

147regulations, um we'll have to check the grade out to see if it all needs to be paved or just whatever's over that tipping point percentage, but odds are it's it's now because it's an existing driveway. Uh it's already considered impervious. So this won't be an increase. How much money is Oh, it's going to be >> 40, 50, 60 grand. >> It's going to be expensive, >> but it's going to address a longterm problem. >> And the homeowners drive away. >> Yeah. She was excited when I >> She thought we were going to come take her house. I said, "I got something else for you." >> Okay. Well, good. >> You know what? That's a dangerous area of the road. >> Yeah. >> Especially during the winter time when it crevices. It's like an obstacle course

148at and and at night you're coming around a turn coming from Mountain Road toward the town. I mean, you know, you all of a sudden you turn around and you're in a hole, >> right? >> You know. >> Okay. >> Very good. That's at least we moving. We move we brought that to a head. >> Yeah. >> That we really did took a little while. You know what? Good. >> All right. Uh communications. >> Yeah. No communications. >> Okay. Uh public works. Well, >> We left. Okay. >> Uh, Highland Lake Wershed. We still need We still need a representative to the Highland Lake Wershed Association. >> There may be one coming. Let me see out the window. >> No way over there. All right. Uh, and the board of selectment liaison is not here tonight.

149He was here last night, last week rather. And, uh, I think he was saw a great deal out of commission functions. And uh at least now we know that he's available to us should we need him. >> Okay. Anything else? Any odds and ends that we missed, guys? >> So, >> all right. Look at this. We want it to end by 10 o'clock. It's after 935 point. We're okay with it. >> Oh, yeah. You've already been approved. This was just a Okay, good. >> Thank you. I hope you enjoy. >> You did you have trees fall on your house on your cars? >> Yeah. >> Uh, you know, they're about 50 55 60 ft. You know, they uh one car, damage another, and we're still fighting with the insurance company to try to fix the

150garage and everything. So, it's it's >> it's been a challenge. >> I'll leave it at that. >> Okay. Good luck with it. Thank you. >> Okay. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> Gary second. >> Matt. >> All those in favor. >> Okay, guys. See you now. We're meeting on Thursday next or uh in August, right? >> Yeah. Regular. >> Yep. Okay. I don't understand. >> Wasn't that a benefit to him? >> That's what I was >> a blanket permit. >> That's >> I don't know what happened transpired with his conversation with Jeff said he was on his case about it today. >> So Jeff, do you know something anything about Jim? What happened? I I I'm not sure that conversation earlier today and then I hammered him again.

151>> I brought it up earlier today. >> That's how bad. >> No, and he doesn't disagree with that. It's just, you know, getting the time. I think what's going to happen is the next time he has an application that's like this wouldn't have been covered anyway. I understand like a maintenance