001Hi guys. You guys want to turn your microphones on? You good? All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's uh looks like 7 o'clock from this angle. I'd like to call the Inland Wetlands Water Cost Commission, dated June 18, 2025 at 7 p.m. to order. Uh roll call. Steven Mullen Molinelli, chair, present. Russ Davenport, vice chair, absent. Uh we have a vacant for a secretary, but it's a vacancy on the board. Jeff Lipincott, present. Uh Frank Oliveri, present. Gary Paganelli present. Jamie Colligan present. Uh we have another vacancy and Matt Clawson present. Okay. So just to clear up the confusion we have two full vacancies on the board. So anybody present or in the audience on television or wherever is interested uh please talk to uh the town manager and let's try to fill this board if
002we possibly can. All right. Uh in terms of the agenda, the approval of minutes for March 19th, is there a motion on these meetings minutes rather? All right, these minutes just came to us tonight, so I'd like to table it and hold on to them because I didn't have a chance to really review them. All right. Uh the next item on the agenda for the minutes is from May 15, 2020. Is there a motion for those minutes? They were in our packet. I'll make a motion to accept them. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor of approval. That's unanimous. Uh Jeff of agenda review. Uh just a few items for you tonight, Mr. Chairman. Uh you'll notice Jeremy is not with us tonight. However, he is going to produce the minutes via the
003recordings after the fact. So, thank you for reminding everyone to turn on the microphones. Uh that'll be helpful. Uh we do have a few items to add. Uh, under a new section of your agenda, uh, agent actions, uh, under B, as of right determinations, you currently have A, B, and C listed. I would like to add D, which is 628 East Wakefield. And I'll discuss these further when we get to the point. Uh, and then under um we'd add a new What was what was the address on that one? 628 East Wakefield. Okay, thank you. and we didn't have any warnings listed. So, I guess I'll add uh letter E under agent actions for warnings uh concerning 240 Kingsbury. And I'll discuss that when we get further into the agenda as well. Uh and lastly,
004an additional communication similar to the one that is on your agenda. Uh we also have a copy of an application for use of pesticides and state waters for Winchester Lake uh done by the Pond and Lake Connection. Uh, and I have those communications uh, here and I'll pass them out when we get to that point. Okay. Thank you. Anything else under agenda review? Um, next item on the agenda. Uh, we have no public hearings under old business application IWWC 25-6. The applicant is through Jones. The location is 2011 East Lake Street and the proposal is to rebuild 6 foot of existing lakefront wall and add 8 foot steps at the present waterfront extending into the uh property the lot. You want to come forward? Thank you. Just introduce both of yourselves. Karen Jones. Thank you.
005Last time we were here, there's a lot of confusion over 10 foot. Um, the 10 foot turned out to be something John when he surveyed the property, he felt that putting a pin right at the edge of the lake in the gravel with the water washing on it uh was not a good idea. So instead of putting it as it belonged, he moved it 10 foot into the to a more secure location. This caused a lot of confusion. I couldn't figure out what the hell you're talking about uh last time around, but that's what that's all about. So, the property really does come out to the lake you would think it would. Um, and just uh one more bit of information, uh, the storm sewer there does not have an ement. A lot of people
006wondered about this. There is no reason there. It just got put there. I brought a We saw that. Yeah, we saw that. Okay. But thank you for bringing it anyway. I think John helped clarify it uh for us. Uh are there any comments from uh any anybody on the board regarding this particular application? So with that clarification, I'm more than comfortable myself. Yes, everybody is good. Yes. I' I'd like to thank Jeff and Jeremy for pro for pro for providing some insight into that issue. Uh Gary, I know, was overly concerned about it. I was concerned about it. Uh I think we're comfortable with the explanation and the recommendation that the town people provided to us. Um Jeff question with the explanation that that's provided in the staff notes uh do we want to read
007that rationale into the acceptance of this application so that should another application come before us with a similar concern that we we can refer to it and or not refer to it. Yeah, that's a good idea. Uh we had lots of discussions about this and the important part here is for the commission to be consistent. So going forward if we have a similar circumstance we need to treat it the same way. Uh that'll cover us. But if you want to read that into the motion that'll be an extra protection. Well I think being consistent is important. I think looking at each application on its merits is equally important. So I don't want to negate that. Yeah. It wouldn't be an automatic thing. Everything needs to be taken under adisement. All right. So then uh on
008page two of the re of the staff notes on the very top of the page there's a whole paragraph that talks about the recommendation of the staff. Um do we want to read that when we make the motion or can we just refer to it and it would be part and include it in the motion. Uh you might as well read it as part of the motion just to have it. Okay. So, who's going to make the motion and read that aspect of it in? It looks like Jeff is Let me find it first. I found I found it for you. Right here. Go ahead, Max. Frank's volunteering. He's already got it. So, make a motion for approval. Make the motion for approval for IWWC 25-6201 East Lake Street. In the recommendation, staff suggests that
009the commission could consider the wall extension of a head wall to protect the existing drainage pipe. With regard to the proposed steps, they will be taped back to be considered as a shoreline stabilization technique to prevent further erosion while allowing the water to continue to encroach beyond the line of the wall. The gap in the two wall results in excessive lateral energy which will continue to cause erosion without intervention. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second on this motion, Gary? Uh, all those in favor of approval and either becomes unanimous. Thank you for your patience. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Byebye. Have a good one. Take care. Bye. Bye. Uh, next item on the agenda is IWWC25-8. The applicant is Robert Manako and it's 59 East Lake Street. Um be before we get
010into the proposal, there's a request by the applicant to continue to next month's meeting. Correct. Okay. Um okay. So we'll just uh table this and continue with next month's meeting. Uh is there anything new submitted? I know last month there was a teleconference or television presentation. Nothing submitted yet. Uh there has been some communication between staff and the nothing ready for Okay. Next order of business is new business application IWWC25-12. The applicant is Ken Hawkins, 406 East Wakefield Boulevard, and the proposal is to prepare approximately 20 ft of stone seaw wall and repoint the remainder of the wall as necessary. Have a seat and just introduce yourself, please. I'm actually Matt Hawkins. Father is Ben Hawkins. I'm just representing the company that's working on the project. Okay. Um, so yeah, we're just rebuilt. We I
011have some I don't know if he sent you guys photographs. I have photographs here. Um, you want to look at our packet? No, I I just have a couple of photographs that to clarify a couple of things that the wall basically just is leaning out. All we're really doing is taking it down on the lake draw down, reusing exactly what's there and rebuilding. Um they're just a afraid that the wall is just going to collapse into the water and then they lose all their entire seaw wall. Um I do have the questions. Um the two site plans, one of the site plan was done in 2015 that this board approved back in 2015. um that's already in existing and done. So I know there was it sounds like there was some confusion there. Um I
012there's all these questions. Uh please include uh the rebuild area. He cir I'm pretty sure he circled it on one of these plans. Let me give you a hint as to how we're going to proceed. Okay. The more information you provide us tonight, the more likely is we can make a decision next month. If there are gaps in the information that you can't provide and respond to questions, then all we're going to do is keep moving the approval or the denial back in months. So, try to be as complete as you can. I'm just reading the questions that were that were I'm just going off these questions. Who gave you those questions? Those are provided by staff. By staff. He's right. There there were uh two site plans, quote unquote. One was uhformational of past
013work. So that I think has been answered. We're all set with that. Okay. Uh if you could answer if the wall that's going to be replaced uh is 15 ft worth or 20 ft worth. That was one of the questions. It's between 15 and 20 ft. It depend. It It's hard to make a determination until we get in the water. I looked at it this one this past winter when the lake froze over. Some of that was below water still because of the rise in the lake. I can't really make a judgment call on if the wall needs to be rebuilt there or not depending on until I get into it. So, you won't know until there's a deep draw down. Exactly. Um it ju we're just rebuilding it as needed. It's not I'm not
014looking to take the whole thing down. I'm we're trying to save as much of it as we can. Um, how do you plan on attacking what needs to be addressed? Oh, it's all just everything's all done by hand. I mean, I'm just going to chisel it apart, pull it down, rebuild it, repoint it. Um, so you're not planning on any machinery in the lake? No machinery at all. Nothing at all. It's all hand work. Um, is there stone behind it? Yeah, that is the only thing we will import some 3/4 inch stone to put some weed ball holes or something on the wall. Yeah. Yeah, we can we can definitely we will pro we should probably do that so water comes over it. Yeah. Is that described in the packet you gave us because you're
015very you know sketchy in terms of the process. Um, and that would be part of the second question to include construction detail uh of the rebuild wall. It's kind of we're just going to go off the seat. We're going to go off the existing seafloor. I can't really do a footing on that. I mean, I don't think I don't think a footing would do anything. It's just going to end up pushing. I think what they're telling, what they're saying is you take your wall, you want to have an end view of it. Show the stone and show what you're putting behind it. Put Morappi paper behind it. He does have a cross-section. I do have a I don't know if you guys I don't It's small. I a fullsize map would really help because I
016can't see a thing. This is a detailed drawing. Yeah, this is supposed to be the engineered drawing. If we could have it full size, it would simplify a lot of things because if you don't mind me asking, can I see them? Just Yeah, that's that's what we have right there. I'm looking at Okay, I'm looking at the same thing right now. Yeah, I mean, a fullsize drawing would really simplify this because we can't if I I can print out a full-size drawing for you guys. Um, just so you know, it's not that we're going to struggle to do it. You have to make it easier for us to be able to accommodate what you want to do. If we we don't understand it or we can't visualize it, you're going to get nowhere, you know.
017So, yes, I understand. Um and and one of the I mean I can I do have he did give me a picture. I saw that. But that's um it's not a great quality picture, but you can tell the wall is Yeah. pushing. We understand there's a need. Yes. We want to know how you're going to address fulfilling the need. That's where we're coming from. And I guess I saw staff, one of the comments was an A2 survey also, an engineered survey. Uh well, the the question of the site plan, it it was an original Decara survey, but it had been drawn on top of for for the last site plan. Uh but the the real question there is if the location of the existing wall has been certified. So if you have still have access
018to the original survey which was not marked up, include that as well. Okay. I am almost positive that that was not nothing was done to that. Um I have no idea where that is. I'll have to find that. Okay. for him on in your in your crosssection that you have here. This is Yes. This is where Steve's coming up. The information as far as the stone behind the wall does not shows no stone. No 3/4 in stone, no Moroppy clock. Shows nothing behind the wall. Show the the stone behind it. Show the width of stone that you want to put in. That gives us an idea how much material is coming out from behind the wall. We're really not taking material for I'm not taking anything in order to put the stone wall back and
019put stone behind it. It's actually if you guys actually look at there's really not much behind the wall. Right now there's it's I could see it's leaning. Yes. But when you bring it back the space goes away. I can bring it back. So you want if you're going to bring it back vertical or lean it in a little bit, which you should, you're going to take a foot of you're going to take a foot of dirt out of the back of the wall to put stone in. But you want to show the morafi cloth going up the dirt the backside so that those fines don't go down into the stone and out into the lake. That that's my only comment on it. Just a better cross-section. Okay. Matt, anything? No, I think uh staff, as
020long as you've got the staff comments, they've addressed a lot of things here. I think they asked for the construction detail and then obviously a fulls size set of drawings would really be able to narrow down exactly where you're working. Jamie, anything Jeff? Nope. All right. My suggestion is we're going to accept your application tonight and uh you're going to have to fill in all of the questions that staff has raised and we've raised and if there's any confusion between now and the next month before you come back, spend some time with Jeff in the office and eliminate the confusion so that you know exactly what you need to do on paper for us to move ahead with your application. Okay. All right. Do you have any questions of us? No. Do you have a
021Do you have a copy of the staff comments? You probably don't. That kind of spells out one to seven what we're looking for. Can't see that. That's a list of There you go. Yeah, I have a list here. Okay. Okay. Well, those go ahead. I'm sorry, Matt. I was gonna say I believe if you need a copy of the original survey too probably talk to Jeff and you can get them in I can check if it's on the well if not you can get them in touch with John De or because they're on fire right next door. So yeah we can either email so I'm assuming I email it to you we can email it to you. Okay we'll email you a full survey and just so you know one thing you have in your
022favor is you can't do anything until a deep draw down. Yes I know which is going to occur October 1st. So, well, we wouldn't even you're not gonna attempt it. What I'm saying is just be sure when you come back the next time that you cross your tees and dotted your eyes so that we can move ahead with a decision rather than you you go back again for another month. So, spend time with Jeff if you need to and try to address the concerns between the staff notes and what we have and uh we should be able to go next month if you're on board with doing what you need to do. Yes. I need to get You want a survey? You want construction documents? I understand that. Okay. Uh do we have a motion
023to accept? Uh motion to accept IWWC 25-12. Applicant Ken Hawkins. Uh location 406A East Wakefield Boulevard. Repair approximately 20 ft of stone seaw wall. Repoint remainder of wall as necessary. There a second. A second. Jeff. Uh before we continue, do we need a public hearing? No. No. Does the wall repair have to be engineered? No. Okay. All right. Uh all those in favor of accepting. Unanimous. Thank you very much. We'll see you next month. Next month. I think the meeting is going to be on Thursday, right? Yeah. Uh we're on Wednesday tonight because of the Junth holiday. Okay. So, on Thursday, it'll be the third Thursday, whatever it is. He's going to receive an email. Yeah, we'll Okay, we'll talk about that. Okay. This way there's no confusion. All right. All right. Have a good
024night. You, too. Uh, the next application is WWC 25-13. The applicant is Jamie James Brandolini at 272 Perchro Trail and the proposal is to extend dock and add inflatable swim platform. Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. Brandolini. Mr. Mullenelli, how are you, sir? Rose, thank you. Hey, thank you. Um, yeah, we'd like to put a swim platform out there. Pretty simple. Want to add extend our dock, which you've got the uh survey there that Tim Wy wrote up. It shows the square footage of the existing dock and what we want to add. just want to go out about 8 feet, six feet wide to just take the TX up, put two new the ivings are pretty bad underneath there. I don't know how old they are, but I had to do some uh you know, I
025took a look at and it's they need to be replaced anyway. So, uh lift up the old rusted up I beams, put two new ones in. We don't need to pour any concrete because it's already there. There's a big concrete pillar. So, we just got to put two new I-beams in. And uh the I-beams, how were the I-beams secured? How are they secured? They they go back into the uh wall by the uh the shore. So it's like a candle levered I-beam. Yeah. Yeah. Because you got a big cement pillar in the lake that was God knows. It's going to rest on that. They rest on that. Yeah. That's what exists. The I beams look like they're pretty bad anyway. I'd like to extend it. When we have a dry summer, it's hard to get
026on and off my boat lift. It's It's kind of shallow over there. So, I'd at least like to go out to the uh maximum of 40 feet that's allowed. Do it. And what's the position of the swim float? Uh it's about 14 ft from shore just off the dock. Yeah. That's freestanding or free floating. Yeah. And how is it going to be secured? Uh with a chain and an anchor. Okay. You're not going to attach any boats to it or anything like that? No. No. I don't I don't like people coming by, Steve. So, no. No. Well, only because of the swing level. And it goes out more than 40 ft. Okay. Uh 14. What's that? Yeah, I know. Any questions? Anybody? There is one other thing. You have to bring that up at this
027point. Which part? Agent determination. The agent determination thing or is that like a done deal with the fence? Oh, no. That Yeah. Okay. So, that's not part of our No. Okay. Not part. And uh the only thing that I want to bring to your attention is that the uh uh people from town are indicated that the docks are required to be fitted with reflectors at the end. Yeah, we uh we got an email regarding that. Yeah, we have lights. I mean, again, I just want to be sure that there currently four lights on the dock that you know the little solar lights that pop on at night. Okay. And it said something about a reflector on this. And we do not and we also have to put a number on the dock, I guess. Address.
028Address. Yeah. All right. We'll have to get that because we don't those blue signs. No one has. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. We'll take care of that. But there are lights on it now. Okay. Jeff, anything? No. Pretty straightforward application. Anybody on the commission? anything. All right. Do we have a motion to accept? I'll make a motion to accept uh IWWC 2513 James Brandolini 272 Birch Rock to extend the dock and add an inflatable swim platform. Second Gary. Uh no public hearing. Yep. All those in favor of accepting. All right. unanimous. See you guys next month. Thanks. Good night. Good night. Next application is IWWC25-14. The applicant is George Fininn Lac and the address is 162 East Wakefield Boulevard and it's a modification to the existing permit to enlarge existing dock. Uh just for the commission's
029knowledge, this application, if we're satisfied, can be approved tonight because it's a modification. Correct. Correct. Okay. So, keep that in mind. You want to have a seat and just introduce yourself? Good evening. Good evening. My name is George Finson and I was here last year and I thank you for approving my permit then. Um, basically John DeCara did a large drawing at the time and I ended up um having approved a 10-foot boat lift and a 4 foot by 40 foot dock. And when we got home, it was all put in. Um, we like the dock, but we also missed having that little 8 by10 piece at the end. So this application is to add a four by 10 foot section to the end so that it would would still extend 40 feet but there
030would be a instead of a 4x10 there would be an 8 by10 section. Jeff um has agreed or agreed that he did a modification to the drawings to the smaller drawing right now to depict what I'm trying to do. So I have a 45 foot um waterfront. I have a 10- foot um boat lift. I have a 4 foot dock and I'm proposing to add another four feet to it. So that totals 18 feet on a 45 ft water front. It's not going to go out more than 40 ft and it doesn't impact on any latoral line. So that's what I'm asking as part of this application. And you took your neighbor's jet ski lift away. Yes, we did. I'm glad you drew it. Actually, you remember that? Um, I'd just like to make a
031comment. Uh, John De was in the audience, I think, last night. Yes. And he brought up the fact that this was not used by the cold method. So therefore, he didn't have to worry about any code methodal orders and that was the car's determination at that point. Okay. Um, anybody with any kind of questions that we want to ask at this point? Everybody is silent. And the second the only question I then have is do we want to accept this modification or approve this modification? I have I have no problem I think recommending approval. Yeah. I mean this it's laid out here. Yeah, it's all laid out. It's a you're simple simplification. You're adding a 4 by 8 foot section attached to what's out there already and you have the half the rule of 50%
032of your front is is within it. So, we're all okay on that. You're just saying you said 4 by8. It will it's it'll be at the end. It'll be um the piece I'm putting in is a 4 by 10 ft piece. So, it'll make it make it four feet wider. Just as it's written up. He's correcting me. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that there was a All right. Do we have a motion to approve? Yeah. Motion to approve IWWC25-14 George Finson 162 East Wakefield Boulevard modification to existing permit to enlarge existing dock. Second. Second. Gary Baldo in favor of approval. It's unanimous. Go do it. Thank you. Come back next year. You don't have much room left. That's all you got. I don't want any work. Good night. Have a good night. Thank
033you, George. Good night. The next application is IWWC 25-16. The applicant is Matthew Maloney, 602 East Wakefield Boulevard. Remove and reconstruct home. Don't heat [Music] Hi. You want to introduce yourself, please? Good evening. For the record, my name is Robert Kabella. I'm a senior project manager with Haley Ward. I'm here today with my colleague Jason Craraven, who is new to the firm. He came to us in April from Ohio. So, like you to welcome Jason. He hasn't been to a meeting. you'd like to see what it's like to be at one of these. Um, here today representing the applicant at 602 East Wakefield Boulevard and their attempt to raise and reconstruct their existing legs. Uh, to that end, I have the site plan up here. Uh, I don't see this monitor. And you have full
034size sets if I'm not mistaken, right? Yes, we do. Um, yes. So, we presented the application. Hang on, Bob. Is that working, Jeff? Or not? I don't know if I'm going to get that one working, but this one typically works. I'm not sure what's going on. Give us a minute. Yeah, just take your time. This one quick today. So, I don't want to turn around. I don't see that. What? I can't see that either. The angle is bad. any luck that it's supposed to be synced but doesn't appear to be. No. All right. Go ahead, Bob. All right. Um, so the the Maloney are looking to This is a one of those cabins that have been in the family forever and you know now this is his generation and uh he's actually getting ready to
035retire and move up here and he wanted to uh get rid of the old lake house and install this one. So to that end, we create we created this site plan. Uh the regulated activity table is down here in the corner and I can make that a little bit bigger if we need to. Uh can you read this? No. No. Okay, I'll do it this way. Don't worry, I'll get in there. I'll get us down there. Maybe 200 was a little too big, huh? So the proposed house in five foundation is about it's 133 136 square foot house replacing about I think it was like 900 and something square feet and that's going to uh create 130 cubic yards of uh earthwork. This is going to be a walk out. So the bottom is slab
036on grade with no foundation drain and towards the back there'll be a little bit of cotton that needs to be done. I'll show you some pictures of that later. Uh there's a proposed deck with steps attached to the house. Uh and the rest of the site needs to be regraded to uh get them into the building. and walkway steps and walls. Uh they're going to build a less than 4 foot tall segmental wall up near the road to replace the existing wall that's there, which I'll also show you pictures of in a minute. So that's the extent of the earthwork and most of it is towards the road back to 100. Let's go back to full screen mode because it just be easier. Okay. So, here's his this is an optional uh walkway. He his
037his elderly mother is still with us and and he wants to be able to get her to the house should she decide to he hasn't decided if he was going to put it in yet. However, I included it in the impervious calculations just to if he does go with it. There's no mod we have to come back for a modification. Um so right now it's the stairs going down to a walkway that goes to the front of the building. Uh down in this corner here is uh where we're going to use for the wash out uh for the dewatering of the foundation if they happen to encounter water down there. We're going to dewater to this location with the straw bales even though it says HP. We're going to be using straw. Um I'll explain
038that in a second too. And as and after we're done using that as a pumping settling basin to make sure no uh silt or anything from the foundation get into the lake, it will become a rain garden. And that's going to be its location. Uh as you can see, we have filter sock around the entire base of the project. And your 100 foot setback line is this blue line. So I made it a different color right here. So basically most 95% of the project is uh in the regulated area. Uh there will be no seaw wall work. There will be no dock work. There's no steps uh no work with the stairs down below. Um everything is this the red that you see here is the existing house and stairs. Everything you see here in
039red is there's an existing deck here that's going to be removed. Um the the existing house is in red. This is the extension towards the front right here. And then they're bringing it over to this side and over and down. And I also have uh the drawings with us today too of the architecturals. So the next page is impervious cover which I thought we would we should take a look at this. So existing is above here and as you can see below is proposed table in the corner uh shows us going from 4360 ft of coverage at 27.2% reducing it as much as I could to 4311 square ft at 26.9%. Uh we're removing all of these walkways. The house there's this is the only this wall right here is that's staying. It's not going
040anywhere. As you can see, I have it here. Um this is where he does a lot of his parking on gravel. As you know, if we park on it, it's impervious. So that's where I was able to tell him, hey, look, you're going to have to give up some of your parking. You got a garage up near the road. You have this pulloff area that you use for parking, too. So he didn't have any problem with that. and he said this is where we'll lose the impervious. So there were three comments from town staff. Uh the first comment was the rain garden which was implemented and uh we also took care of the other two comments that he had and they were all minor comments. These are our details. the pumping settling basin. Uh his
041walkway is not a permeable walkway. It's he wants one of those concrete walkways with stones embedded in the surface. So I that's why I had to find different places to remove. And the LI feature that we're putting in is the rain garden. So, this is one step getting this accepted tonight and coming back next month hopefully for approval. And uh we do have a public hearing because this this is special accepted permit coming up with uh the zoning board of appeals. Uh in your application, I don't know if it made it to the wetlands application, but it should have. Like every one of my projects, I always ask my clients to talk to their neighbor neighbors, show them the plant, and ask them if they have any problems with it. He contacted both neighbors on
042both sides. They both produced letters. They're in the packets, I thought. If they're not, I know they're in the CGA packets. And if not, here's endorsement one from the attorney Flity who's on looking at the lake. He's on the left hand side and then the other letter is from Cheryl Burns and she's on the opposite side on the right hand side. So, uh, both of them said they reviewed. Well, normally I just tell them, "Ask your neighbors to write something." And then both neighbors said, "Well, can you give us a letter and we'll sign it if we if we agree with the plans?" So, that's what they did. and his contractor actually wrote this letter up and uh both Cheryl Burns uh and the flity flarities uh and Colleen Burke who live on the opposite
043side both of them didn't have any problems with the project if they did they let us know. Could Could you go back to the picture showing the impervious surface of that parking area? Uh I have it colorcoded if you look up in the chart up here. Yeah, I see it. Right. So, well, I can't I can't see it. That's why I'm asking. Ah, here we go. Let's do this. No. All right. So, the green is asphalt and gravel parking. Uh part of the neighbor's parking. The driveway is actually encroaching on this property. So, it is impervious. We had to include it. Houses. The house garage and the deck is this purple that you see here. And walk steps, concrete and pads is everything you see in gray. These steps are open. So I didn't consider
044them impervious and that's existing. So I mean it's not in their favor for me not to consider them impervious. But we had to do that. The wooden deck also has grass underneath it per the way we review things. That's not impervious either. So that couldn't include that in the existing impervious. Um so if I'm just go back scroll back to where you were. Yeah. Here and on the on the top left where you have totals. Yes. You go from 4360 to 4313, which is the difference 4311. Yeah. 4311. A difference of 40 ft, give or take. Uh yeah, it goes from 27.2% down to 26.9. In other words, less non. It looks like you're taking away half the impervious driveway, but you you're taking up the impervious surface elsewhere on the project. Yes. All these
045walkways and paths and stuff are coming out and being replaced with this stairs walkway and and wall. So um what I also considered this area so he's under that's peace under the deck. So this is proposed. You can see we're removing it here. removing all these walkways that were actually there they would be in this area over here. So you're just shifting the imperative surfaces to elsewhere basically removing some a big actually a pretty big portion of it here and actually taking these all of this walkways and reducing it down to just actually you know this is only an optional walkway right here. It's not going to get built now or maybe never, but so it's probably only going to be this walkway and the stairs right now to replace all of this. Uh, and
046then if you would like, I could show you what that looks like now. Take you for a walk around the property. So, this is the wall that they're trying to replace up front. As you can see, it condition isn't um the best. Let's see. Is this the one? All right. So, this is the wood. So, this is the front of the road. They have this parking area. The stairs are going to be right here coming down. This is This wall is going to get fixed up by the road. There's the house below. There's all the these steps are coming out. All this all this is coming out. all the way down. That's coming out. That's staying. Here's the where he parks his his uh boat and other vehicles at times. Most of the time he
047uses the road up here, but he still parks here. When we sat with Jeremy Darly and Jeff, they're the ones we they decided that this was impervious and we had to consider it impervious. That wall is staying This this deck is going to be gone. This stone wall, this is the one wall I said that's going to stay. Where's the piece that showed the neighbor's property on his property? The neighbors. Right here it is. Right here. You could just see the asphalt right here. Right in this little corner. Let's see if I got a better picture of that for you. Oh, I see. I see what right right here. better. So, oh, back up one. This is where the rain garden is going to be in this corner here. The level of the lake is
048too high to even consider underground detention. So, here's you can see there's no reason for him to do anything with this seaw wall. Uh, we had some leakage underneath this porch here, but that dried up pretty quick. Here's the rest of that path that's impervious coming down to the lake. So, as you get around somebody's houses, as you get around this building and you here's the part. So, when he decid when he took me into the building and I'll show you this in a minute. You can almost see it back here. I think it's in a later photo, but when he took me into the building and you walked into the first room and you took a step into the next room, there was a one foot depression in the floor. And so you can
049see there's So here it is. This is one of the reasons this this whole footing, you could see it rotated and the 6x6 that was holding up, you can see the the difference in the floor joist dropping in this area and you could tell that, you know, it's time for this house to get a redo. Um these are all crooked really he is this is uh this is their grinder pump and they use it you know they're here in the summer this is the patio outside the door that's also part of the impervious. Ah that's a better view. So, so here's the portion. It comes down here and his driveway comes right over here. It comes right onto his property in that corner. Oh, there's a better view of why the why he has to
050fix this wall up here because it's made out of utility poles that aren't in very good shape. will be the the rest of the wall that and the other reason actually this wall is being held up by a pin right here right now. So there's a lot of repairs that need to happen here before something does happen and we have a problem. Uh I'll go back to the drawings and if you have any questions site plan preferably I'm assuming You're going to make the adjustment with the hay bales and the uh it's already made. Oh, okay. Uh all three of those notes were made. So, AutoCAD has a a great thing and I don't know if you got explain the the one of the staff comments was the uh storm water drain from the roofs.
051Yes, as you can see on the original plan that there there wasn't a rain garden in this corner. All I called out there was a constructed dewatering basement. And Jeremy brought up, you know, where are you going to be, you know, putting the roof water? And I said, well, I know a good spot because we're already going to be have a a little square there ready to go. So, he has to hog it out, put in the the mulch, the top soil, create a real rain garden. And to that end, not only did I design the rain garden, but I calculated its volumes on that's the one adjacent to the lake wall, right? And I count correct and I well close to the lake wall. So I calculated the required volume which is 141.9 cubic
052feet. Um this rain garden will provide 156 cubic feet. Uh there's a planting list here to the left stand. And there's a planting list here to the left. It doesn't really need to be. First of all, it's not a very big house. square ft. All right. And the last comment from staff was are any LI improvements proposed? There is now got rainard. All right. Um question. Do we need a a a town representative engineer to go over this proposal? Your call. I don't Yeah, it's pretty pretty. He did a good job. We're good on this. Yeah. At public hearing, uh, we'll take the letters on face value. Well, they're having one anyways. They're having one for the ZBA. Yeah. But we're not having one. Do we need to? No, I'm just, you know, I've been
053trying to trying to be very diligent about making sure all my applicants at least speak to their needs, tell them what they're doing. And in most cases, I would love for them to show them the plans and say, "This is what I'm doing. Do you approve? Do you not?" And I've even had a couple of neighbors say, "Hey, could you make a couple corrections here?" And I've done it. And then they were, "Okay, I'll write the letter." So there you go. I I'm I'm I think it's a very wise thing for people to start doing that up because we know how it could get in this room when you don't do that. Anything else, guys? No, I have a question. Go ahead. Why no footing drains? It's lab on grade for most of it. So
054you're still going to have frost, right? Yeah. Around the back. It'll it'll be all we go into the ring. It'll be enough. There's enough volume there to handle any of it. There should you know to be honest there up but this is such a steep it's going to be very difficult for the upper portion which would only it's only about across the front wall maybe two feet down the side right that he would need something and in that instance um it may not even see any water because I don't think he's going to be he could be deep enough but I don't think he he has like four feet already underneath there you know I could almost fit under there. I think the same he has like four feet there now going going back. So,
055he's not really cutting back in very much. And if he does encounter water and he has to put it a footing drain, it'll get discharged to the to the roof leader and tied into the garden. Right. And you know what I could do for the next meeting? I will show them. You don't think it's necessary? It's not code or anything though. It's not I didn't I could call him I could put them on the plan and show the discharge and call it as optional if if require or if required. Just ask him a question why. I just Well, I just didn't think it was enough and I really don't think that um you're going to encounter groundwater up that high up on the hill. But okay, if we do I still would rather cover my
056bases and because you're only accepting the application now, I can make that one. I mean, it's a revision that's minor and the contractor doesn't have any problem doing the work. What's the condition of the street topography uh in front of that house in terms of water running down the street? Are there any catch basins there or will they slope? Will the water from the streets just wash into the the the property? He's got a lift that he installed that goes all the way across. Is that delicious? Yeah. It's It's got a little mouth to it. Can't really kind of see it there, but And that keeps the water running. Well, that's the whole reason it was put in. Yeah. Catch a lot and it it it it just moves the water further down the road.
057No, I just Yeah. No, I'm I'm you. I'm just showing you asked and I wanted to make sure that you saw it and it and you get to the end here and the neighbor did that earlier. This is right across from you, right, Matt? Yes. The neighbor did that earlier. He's got a little bit going. So I think Where's the next catch basin? Down the hill. Oh, there's none on that side. Maybe only down by Ryan's house. It's on the There's no catch basins on that side. The only ones are to the where it's There's one down by Carl's right there where you're right about here. Yeah. And it it doesn't even work. The water just flows right over it and then it goes down by it goes down by Ryan's house. This goes into
058the lake right off the road. It's a truck catch basin in front of 545 East Wakefield and it it just goes straight across. You know, Rob, myself, I'd like to see where you show the footing drains. And the only reason I say that is it's a block out basement, right? Yeah. You're going into the You're going into the ground. Correct. Absolutely. It's going to be deep in the back. It's going to be deep in the back. And me personally, if I was building a house, and I don't know if the building inspector is going to say, "I want footing drains on that particular wall." I want them. You know, you're going to be coming back saying, "Now I have footing drains. something that came from the contractor. He wanted to see if there was going
059to be ground water. I said, "Look, how do you know?" But but why not? So, I don't have any problem putting that how deep do you en envision the the footings being in the back side of it? I mean, four feet, six feet, six feet. Anyway, six six feet plus or minus. He's going to have there's going to be a reveal there. So, yeah, there'll be there'll be something coming No, I I I I I want And look, this is perfect because putting the footing drains on the plan is just as easy as not. It gets us off. We're not coming back to you. The contractors don't like to hear this, but I always say, okay, paper doesn't it's a good learning model. It's the associate. All right. Any any other comments? Jeff, you good?
060Yes. All right. Do we have a motion to accept? All right. do this. Motion to accept IWWC25-16 Matthew Maloney 602 East Wakefield Boulevard remove and reconstruct home. Second all those in favor of acceptance. Okay guys, thank you very much. Glad I wasn't as winded as as usual. It's funny. I Yeah. So that was the only only revision. Well, I already handled Jeremy, right? Yeah. So that was the only revision the committee needs. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Good night. Have a good night. Uh second to get somewhere. I don't see any more new business. Am I correct, Jeff? You are correct. Okay. So the next item would be agent determination. uh IWWC 25-11 and the applica applicant Martin Connor 102 Riverton Road and construct concrete storage base. Uh that should be 103 Riverton
061Road. 103 102 or 103. Should be 103. Yeah, that's a typo. Thank you. Okay, so yeah, this Go ahead. This is the one we got last month. Yeah. Yeah. That depends. Y So, anything different about it or you uh No, nothing different. It's also before uh planning and zoning and they had uh very similar comment to our staff comment that the uh extreme end of the storage bay as shown is on a pretty decent slope. Uh so they've already verbally told us they're going to reconfigure that, get it off there. So there's no issues with that. Uh we expect to have that revised uh plan for PNZ on Monday. Uh unfortunately, we don't have it for you tonight, but e even without that um we're prepared to uh ask for a determination on this project.
062Even without it being in front of us tonight, right? Okay. Because we know we're going to force that to happen anyhow. But if we want to wait different or do we want to wait to give you approval or do we want to I think we did. Yeah. I thought I thought we did. I thought we did too. All right. We gave that. Okay. So, this should have been stricken. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Too zealous. All right. Is there a motion to give Jeff uh the right to approve this action? I'll make a motion. Jeff the right to approve what we did last week. I second that. All right, Gary. All those in favor of agent determination approval. All right. Thank you. Uh the next one is IWWC25-11 and the applicant is Kathleen Connor Corner and it's
06351 East Lake Street to replace existing shed in upper review area. Uh correct. This is uh a property that was brought to my attention uh before the last uh wetlands meeting. Uh they were doing some work in the yard based on a tree that came down. Uh the tree uh also required the shed to be removed and they want to put a new shed back in the same location. Uh we have no concerns with it. Uh but it needed to have an application because it's within the review area. Just correction for the minutes. I think it's 2550. 251. You read it as 251. Thank you. Correction. 2511 15. Stand corrected. And it's the location is 51 East Lake Street. Um there I I don't go ahead. Is this a situation where maybe we should make
064her come into compliance? I mean, it's going from 240. I think the allowable shed size is 200. Um I don't know. Just that that's a zoning issue and it's a replacement of a pre-existing. Uh so there there's no way to force it. They're allowed to rebuild what they have just like if a tree fell on your house and it was encroaching. Okay. You know, so plus we have no jurisdiction over that. Okay. As long as I'm not in margin, right? Okay. All right. Throw it out. Do we have a motion to uh allow Jeff to move ahead with an agent determination? Uh make a motion IWWC 2515 Katherine Coleer to replace an existing shed that was destroyed by a tree falling on it and have it handled by an agent determination. Second. Those in favor?
065Unanimous. All right, Jeff. Thank you. Thank you. Uh as of right determinations, as I uh mentioned at the outset, this will be a uh new section on the agenda. Uh we're getting maybe more of these in the office uh which I think is a good thing. People are actually coming to ask rather than just doing things. Uh so we just wanted to sort of present you with a list of those uh when they do come in. So the first one I'm sorry, was there a question? Oh, okay. First one is 210 West Wakeakefield Boulevard. Uh the project is reconstruction of a deck on existing peers. Uh there's not going to be any ground disturbance and the deck will be the same size as existing. Just just for the you know knowledge of the commission, um
066I think being this is a new part of our agenda, uh you have to look at staff comments to see what it entails. If you look at the agenda, there's no information on the agenda, but staff comments contain all of the information, right? And since there's no application required, you don't get drawings and and all that kind of stuff. So, Katherine Kiner actually could have gone under this section. Uh, no, because it's in the review. Wait, what was the thinking on that? I guess she's not going in the ground or getting any dirt. Yeah, she can. Yeah, just just trying to clarify myself. You know what? I think about it. I'll look a little deeper into that to see. I mean, the more we can move off the plate. Okay, go ahead. Let's do 210.
067Uh, in any event, uh, reconstruction of a deck on existing peers, uh, no disturbance outside of the review area. Outside of our No, no, this is in the review area. Yeah. But there's zero disturbance, nothing going on in the water. Now, because this is new to us, do we have a vote on this or this is justformational? Just bring it to your attention. Uh the idea with this is, you know, as you guys know, often times you'll see something or a neighbor will see something bring to your attention. Uh so this is maybe to head that off or you can say, "I remember that we talked about that a little and you know, it was already brought to our attention but didn't require an application." had a meeting one time where we decided to move
068into this agent determination. Well, this is different than agent determination. This is almost there's no action needed on anybody's part basically, right? If you guys don't want this information, no, no, I think it's good to have. I I brought something to Jeff's attention and this is the way Jeff handled it. I attention. So, it's just it's just you know, it saves a phone call and an answer that he the six of us made. That's the idea. Go ahead. Go to the second one, Jeff. All right. 606 West Wakefield. Uh replacement of wood steps leading to the waterfront. Again, no ground disturbance. It's replacing what's there because the wood is rotted. Uh simply because it's within the review area uh which is why we're talking about it. And the steps will be uh built to code.
069So, I have one one question though. With these as of right determinations, do you visit them after they say they've completed the project? to see if what they said and asked for and what you agreed to give them is consistent with what they did. Uh I certainly could. I probably haven't visited all of them to be honest with you, but uh I could attempt to put it in my rounds. Okay, good. I mean, sometimes you're just driving by the house almost. Mhm. All right. So, that's that's something to consider. Okay. I'd like you to consider it. Okay, good. Thank you. at 446 East Wakefield. Uh result result of a tree which uprooted during a recent storm. Uh the tree is going to be removed. The hole is going to be back filled soil and seated.
070Uh no machinery and nothing in the water. Okay. Uh so that's it for I'm sorry. We added we added one. Will they need any erosion protection if they're putting the top soil down or anything? Uh, you know, I think the the grade is below the wall, but we could certainly ask for it. I I'm sure as long as you you check that out. That's the only thing concerned. They're filling a hole, a big hole with top spill. Yeah. Right into the lake. Good point. Uh, and the last one, which didn't make it to your agenda, but we voted to add it earlier in the evening. Uh, this was a visit to the site just today. Uh, 628 East Wakefield. Uh it's basically a landscaping uh job. They've already cut down some uh shrubs. They're going
071to be removing uh those roots, uh laying some sod, some additional planting and mulch. And uh again, it's this is a result of this contractor is the same one working on Patrick Hussy's project at uh on Lake Drive and I had visited him a few times. Uh so he decided, you know, let me give him a call and talk about this next project just in case. So, I think it's, you know, moving in a good direction. Yeah. All right. Thank you. All right. Violations. On to violations. Uh 308 East Wakefield. Uh you should have received Tom Grimmaldi's report, the independent engineer. I am happy to report that Mr. Slimey has completed his work before the deadline. Uh all work has been reviewed by uh Grimmaldi and approved. And I think we're at the end of
072the the road for that one. And I think I think the the action that we took as a committee where we put a deadline on this project because it was going on for probably two or three years, you know, between I can't get an engineer. He's not available. Somebody else is not available. And we sort of drew a line Yep. in the sand and said, uh, you know, you had June 1st this year. If you don't do it, you're back in in court, so to speak. All right. Good. Uh, next is 139 West Wakefield Boulevard. Uh, you should have attorney Nelligan's uh, memo in your packets. And that's all I have to say about that. I'm also happy to report that the docks have not gone back in the water yet this year. Uh, no
073boats have arrived on site and the for sale by owner sign is still erected. Okay. So, we may have accomplished what we wanted to perhaps. Okay. Um, they're going to go to court. are going to they're actually going to go to court. Well, we don't know. She sells. It's all over. Well, they got two of the three lease holders or stakeholders that are have answered. Whatever. All right. So, we're going to hold on to this Kevin Nelligan letter because this is going to be continued. Yes. Okay. We're not done with that one yet. Uh and lastly, we added one warning to the agenda. Uh 240 Kingsbury, which is the site of a new house build. Uh, I did a visit to the property. I saw a stockpile with no silt fencing and the bulk of
074the silt fencing on the site was in a state of disrepair. Uh, I called uh the applicant right away and uh he said, "Oh, well, you must have gone right out there because uh we only did that work yesterday and the new piles there." In any event, uh he has responded uh and all the sil fencing will either be replaced or reerected. New sil fencing will be put around the new stockpile uh and work will continue do that. Yes. Did you give him a deadline on that? Well, I told him ASAP his deadline and I had three or four emails from him. So, I assume he's telling me it's done, but I didn't get a chance to I know other towns tell you you got 24 hours, 48 hours. Yeah. Are those No excuses. Those
075dumpsters that were in there, they were all removed or they're still there? Uh well, there were shipping containers and then dumpsters. Uh there was at least one dumpster still on site that was nearly full. Uh he relayed to me that he had a few other items he was going to put in there and then that will be removed. So it's it's winding its way uh in the right direction. This was all as a result of a a blight complaint actually about the the state of the property. So and the neighbor Yeah. All the neighbors that agreed agreed and didn't agree. Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh, communications. Uh, communications. You have in your packet, uh, copy of the application for use of pesticides in state waters at Highland Lake done by all habitat services. And, uh,
076and then left on your desks, if I remember correctly, was uh, late to the party and didn't make it to the agenda. Same application for Winchester Lake by the Pond and Lake Connection. This is basically a receive in place on file. But uh I I just in looking at going back to the park pond one. Yes. Um it says there's a boat launch there at Park Pond. Correct. Soon is soon as you turn into a Blue Street, isn't it? Oh, okay. I didn't I don't I didn't know. That's right. Okay. A small little boat launch there. I haven't spent enough time in Park Pond. Neither have I. Blue Street, right? Yep. Okay. Do Do we Do we Do I need to continue this in my full? No. No action. It's it's just uh for reference.
077Thank you. Uh and there was something B29 B25-399 in our package. Um Ben Lorenzo at 132 Forest Avenue. This is a building permit again. It was in my Yeah, it must have got mixed in on top here. Did everyone get that? That was just for you, Steve. Just a throw. Um, uh, report from the Department of Public Works. Jeeoff, anything? Uh, no. No. Okay. Um, no. I'm I think I think from what I've seen as a result of a month ago when a lot of trees went down, there was a lot of debris on the road. So, there was a lot of cleanup that I saw taking place. Um I still want to us to stay on top of the sewer, you know, vacuuming out the sewers and stuff like that. I saw him working
078across from me a week ago. Last week they were working up there. Yeah. Yes. Because they did in front of my house. Yeah. Yeah. So, um I think it's ongoing. All right. As long as it's ongoing, you know, personal personal knowledge. Yeah. Uh we do not have uh a liaison to the Highland Lake Watershed Association. And I think that I'd like again somebody to consider uh becoming that liaison because it's just another avenue of sort of tying things together and no surprises. So think about it and if anybody would like to volunteer that's an opening and I'd like to welcome from the selectman uh who's in attendance tonight um you want to say something introduce yourself. Thank you guys for uh inviting me here tonight. The town manager called me, said I need to make
079a presence. Um just so you know, I may not attend the meetings, but I do watch your meetings. Not everyone, but I do watch them. Um I was on the wetlands in New Hartford for nine years. I was uh vice chair for two. I was also on planning and zoning and I'm a certified zoning officer. So this stuff kind of weirdly interests me. So I kind pay attention as we go. Um, and and I mean I I'm glad that Winchester is so lucky to have two of the most important boards with very um much talent on both boards, meaning planning and zoning and wetlands. You guys are are very talented. Um, you know, it's good to have people that know what they're doing on these boards because it's really important for economic development for the
080town and that we fairly inconsistent. Um, the only suggestion that I would like to bring up and it's nothing to point against you Jeff, but I was on wetlands for nine years and these wetlands can be long long meetings sometimes real late at night and zoning is also can be like that, but George is pretty good or was pretty good at shut it down at 9:00 because he wanted to watch Yukon game. Um, if the staff needs to pay more attention to the applications, um, like I just saw one tonight, you want to make sure that these applications they they know what they need before they come here. They need to be complete. If there needs to be um a survey or or um a map of the like the a breakdown of a wall,
081you know, that should be before that person comes here, that should be done because all that does is put more time on our commission members who are here for free and volunteering their time. You know, we need to like streamline it a little bit better. And I've noticed that on zoning and when I was in wetlands in New Harford, same thing. It does happen. Understand you can't control all of them, but you know, people need to be prepared. You can't make decisions off of napkins and small maps. It's just I mean, the older I get, I can't even see them now. So, you know, that's really my suggestion to you guys to help you guys. That's something that we've been working our way through for a while. Um, and you know, I think on the
082flip side of it is we know the town is short staffed with personnel. So, we're sort of like keeping that in mind. Uh the bottom line is uh if an application that comes before us is incomplete or lack specificity, all that does is hurt the applicant's process of getting approval sooner rather than later. And uh you know, we're not adverse to saying, you know what, we'll accept your application, come back next month with everything else we want, and we'll start from there. So, we're good. But again, thank you very much. And and I I do want to impress upon you, we still have two vacancies. I don't know. We're still working on that. We do have an application for us. Um that will be voted on at next meeting. Um and we do push for
083you, but we do also want to make sure it's a great fit for your We do. Thank you. Good. Appreciate that. Tori, where are we with the docking moing ordinance? Uh that has not been brought before us yet. Where are we, Jeff? Uh we plan to bring that to the board of selectman at the second uh July meeting. The date escapes me maybe the 21st. Um I just want to stay on top of the Yeah, absolutely. We didn't spend months on it. We spent a little bit of time. We have to be there for that meeting or should we be there for that meeting? You're more than welcome to come. Yeah. If there's any questions directly to you, um that'd be fine. We'll also be bringing to the board's attention at that meeting uh not
084just for wetlands but all land use applications uh possible changes to the fee structure based on costs uh to advertise in the newspaper. Um we're finding ourselves upside down on some of these applications and just in an effort to keep the town whole in that regard. Uh some increases may be necessary so we'll be bringing that to the selectment as well. Okay. Anybody else with any comments, concerns? Um, this is the secretary's been baking for a while. If you guys want, I'll I'll take that duty. Why don't you if you're not here, then who's going to run the media? Not that I want to. I don't. Well, we'll give you a test next month. It'll be in the minutes. Come on. All right. You know what? I think there's a formality that we have to
085go through and we'll look at the language of the formality and we'll make it work. We'll make it work. Yeah, we might need to hold an election. We have to put it on the Can I withdraw that? But I just want to let you guys know I have a town email and some of you know my personal phone number. If you ever need anything or any questions about anything from the board of selected, feel free to reach out to me. If there's something important you want me to do or you know help you in any way, I can let me know. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Troy. Thanks. All right. Is there a motion to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjurnn. Gary second, Jeff. All those in favor. Okay. Thank you very much.
086It's 8:15. Nice work. And we're done. I got to quit some of my uh things so I don't have to go to a meeting every single night. Good thing I'm single or I would have been divorced anyway. Have a good night. That squeaky wheel worked.