001Okay. All right. It's uh 6:30 the uh June 9th planning and zoning commission meeting for town of Winchester. Uh I'm George Clawson, the chair. Pete Marshian. Uh John Cooney is not here yet. Willie Platt is here. Adam is absent. excused. Uh Charlene Lavoy is here. We're not We didn't hear anything from Rrista or Scott, so we'll see what happens here with that. Um and uh we should had agenda review on this on this uh seat agenda. Yeah. Seat Charlene, we see you tonight for Adam, please. And uh under agenda review, I'd like to move uh 6 A and B to follow number two. I'll make that motion. All right, second. We got second. Any discussion? All in favor? I Okay, so uh we're going to have a presentation tonight for uh this DOT. So, who's
002who's doing that? Yeah, I'll start. [Music] We going to stick with two or you going for three? Couldn't get that. Okay. All right. Press that, please. Okay. All set. Okay. For the record, uh Jim Rollins, director of public works. Um, I'm here tonight to request two 824 referrals um from the Planning and Zoning Commission, one for the White Street Bridge and one for the Grantville Road Bridge. Um, we're also using this opportunity to fulfill our public information meeting obligations uh which are part of, you know, the funding source and and all the regulations and rules required uh to push this through the federal local bridge program. Uh this meeting is in person and it's uh it's virtual as well and um Stephanie from CH uh CHA is here to to manage that part of it
003um as well as kind of conduct the overall meeting. Um how we got here is Connecticut DOT inspects all of our bridges that are 20 feet or larger in span on a regular basis. And during their inspection, they learned that both the White Street Bridge and the Grantville Road Bridge have kind of reached the end of their useful life. Um it's beyond the point of doing any more maintenance to it. They both need to be replaced. Um so once we learned that public works um you know applied for design and construction assistance through the Connecticut DOT who administers um the federal local bridge program through the federal DOT. Um, we were accepted and Connecticut DOT utilizes uh private engineering firms to do the design and manage all the, you know, the paperwork and push it
004through the whole process of the federal local bridge program. And that's where CHA comes in. That's the the firm that DOT has hired to to manage this and help us with the design, construction, inspection, and so forth. So, what we're going to do tonight is we're going to go into the White Street Bridge first and we'll have a Q&A session after their presentation where the public can ask questions and put in comments and so forth. Then we'll take a short little 10-minute break. Then we'll get into the uh Grantville Road Bridge where we'll follow the same program. They will give their presentation. There'll be a Q&A and we can try to, you know, answer questions, take feedback and so forth. So with that, I will hand off to Stephanie Dubet, engineer for CHA. Thank you,
005J. Thank you for that introduction. So, as Jim mentioned, tonight we're discussing these two projects, um 0162-0161, um which is the White Street Bridge over the Still River. And um later on we'll be discussing uh state project number 0162-0162. um which is the Grantville Road Bridge over the M River. Um we do have an email address that members of the public can um send questions or comments to. Um also a phone number you can leave voicemail with. Um we do ask that you specify what bridge um you're you're you know asking a question about or that sort of thing um so we don't have to respond to you. And um if you did receive a notice or you saw it in the newspaper or on the town website, there is um a web page um
006that the DOT has put up um with additional information um documents and uh display boards that will also be shown here tonight. Um is this where you'd like to introduce some of these slides? Okay. Uh my name is Shi. I'm the project manager and associates. Typically uh these next slides will be uh addressed by Mark who's the program manager for running. So for him so uh both these projects are part of the GMS program managed by state program. So for this particular meeting just to go as uh for an overview we will uh introduce you the team that's here both from and from CHA. We go through the final presentation of the first project right bridge which is 162-161. Uh we will define the purpose and we provide you with what the existing conditions are
007what solution is for the project. Uh and then we will be happy to answer your question. take a break and then we'll second bridge project which is project number 162. So typically uh this is one of the slides that we have to present five slide. No person shall on the basis of race, color or national origin be excluded from participation or subject discrimination notice. So just to give you an overview of the DMS program that these two projects are part of today. So in this particular program uh the design there are three phases to a project. One is the design phase that's what we are in today. The second is the rights of way phase where we need certain acquisitions to complete the project. That's called the rights of a phase. And third is the
008construction phase. So in this BMS program all three phases are funded 80% by the feds and 20% by the state. So it's basically uh free to the town. It's a reimbursement program uh where uh during the right uh construction phase the town will seek reimbursement but ultimately 100% reimbursement to the town. And the reason why the DMS program got initiated about four years ago was it provides a streamlined approach to design. It aids the town to keep their bridges in a state of good repair. we are able to use the full services of the Connecticut DoD and the consultants to come up with a good solution and we are able to increase the number of bridges that we are able to get construction. So on the Connecticut DOT side, Derek Lassard is the division chief
009of uh bridges, Mark Burns is the program manager uh on this two particular projects. Andrew Shields is the project engineer and Jack on our side the club harbor side I'm the program manager for CHA consulting Steph is the project manager we have John who's the highway lead on the grandfield road we have the highway lead on the white street bridge and we have the hydraulics for both the bridge projects so typically uh as actually Jim was meing Every bridge in the state of Connecticut which is bigger than 20 ft in length gets inspected once at least two years and they have a rating system going from 1 through 9 as you can see 9 means excellent and one means imminent failure. So when the bridge starts getting to a poor condition that's when the department
010uh programs start thinking about okay along with the town what do we need to do with the bridge and so these two bridges are in that state and that's why we are here today talking about solutions for the two projects maybe we can skip the slide so the first project we're going to talk about is 16161 which is a white steam bridge and Steph will probably go through the presentation thank Um here's a pro project location map of um bridge number 05126 on White Street. You'll see that um the White Street Bridge is oriented on the road in um a west east direction and the Still River flows below it um from south to north. Uh the bridge is located approximately 50 ft east from the Route 8 intersection and um to the east of
011the bridge there's the Fairfield Precision Parts machine shop uh their large parking lot. Um also to the east of the bridge is a sanitary pump station owned by the town of Winchester and further along down White Street off of Nanny Drive there are multif family residential communities. The limits of construction for this project which will be shown in a later slide um are approximately from that route 8 intersection down to drive. So this bridge was built in 1956 and was rehabilitated in 1991. It's a 264 foot span structure which has a total length of 134 ft. The super structure is made of five steel beams with welded cover plates and fast in place concrete deck with a bunis concrete overlay. Uh the super structure is comprised of um concrete abutments, a center pier and flared
012concrete wing walls. Uh the roadway width at the bridge is 22 feet which is um less than the uh state recommended standard of 24 ft for this type of roadway. Additionally, there is a sidewalk located on the south side of the bridge uh that's 5t wide and again this is um less than the recommended 5 and 1/2t state standard. Um this bridge is considered to be a a large structure because it has a watershed of 42.3 square miles and because it's a a large structure um it has a 100year design story. So looking hydraulics of this bridge. Um the under clearance of a bridge is a difference between the 100year storm elevation that is shown in the blue dash line here below the bridge. It under clearance is a difference between that and the low
013elevation of the bridge which for this bridge is the bottom of the steel beams. Um for this bridge the uh under clearance is 1.3 ft which is less than the two foot minimum standard. Similarly uh the freeboard of a bridge is the difference between that 100year storm elevation and the lowest point of the roadway. Uh for this bridge it's um east of the bridge. Uh the difference for freeboard for this bridge is one and a half ft. Uh which does meet the 1T minimum standard. Um I missed a spot here. Um the hydraulic clear scan also I wanted to mention is measured from abutment to abutment and in this bridge it's 124 ft. Um then looking at the backwater backwater is the difference between the water surface elevation of the site versus um today versus
014if there were no bridge at this location at all. So for this bridge um the backwater elevation is 1 foot which is equal to foot maximum standard. Um this means that the bridge increases the water surface elevation by foot. Finally, um we'd like to note that based on scour analysis, the bridge foundations are considered to be sour susceptible. The um most recent inspection report was completed in um May of 2024. This table summarizes the existing bridge condition ratings. Um you'll see here highlighted in orange the deck is rated to be in poor condition while the super structure the substructure and the channel and channel protection are all rated to be in satisfactory condition. Um also highlighted in orange are the bridge rail condition the bridge rail and um the guide rail approach rail. Um these
015are highlighted because they do not meet current safety standards. Um so to summarize the overall structural evaluation of this bridge is six which means that it's equal to the present criteria. The Connecticut DOT load rating was completed in August of 2020. Um this bridge has an inventory HL93 rating of 0.32 which is um less than one making it substandard. Additionally, this bridge has Ashtto and Connecticut legal load ratings less than one. Um, which typically means it requires weight restrictions. Currently, there are no weight restrictions posted on this bridge, but in 2022, the town did install barriers and alternating oneway traffic um due to uh concerns of the deck and the pier over the bridge. Um, in April of 2025, the Connecticut DOT informed the town that um, steel repairs were necessary to avoid the risk
016of full bridge closure. And currently, the town is programming those steel repairs. The next few slides are some photos of the of the site. So, this top left photo shows the north upstream elevation of the bridge. This top right photo shows the south downstream elevation. Um, The western span is what carries most of the flow of the river. Um, and the eastern span is is mostly dry. Uh, this bottom left photo shows the the bridge from the east approach. Uh, this is the driveway for the Fairfield machine shop and their large parking lot area. And to the right here, this is the sanitary pump station over by the town. This bottom right photo is um the west approach from the roadway. This shows the intersection of Route B. This top left photo shows the sidewalk
017and rail condition. Um, this top right photo also shows um the pavement condition and the rail condition. You'll see that large pot hole um near the center pier and near the barriers that were set up by the town. Um this bottom left photo again shows the barriers and the stop controlled sign um over the bridge. This bottom right shows underside of deck. There is a um 8 in water main and a 5 in gas main supported by this bridge. Um this is this top left photo is the uh condition of the west abutment. Again shows the utilities below the deck. This top right photo uh shows the pier condition from the east span. You'll see that that is dry um under that eastern span there. This top this bottom left photo shows the upstream channel
018of the Still River and um this shows the downstream channel of the Still River. So the purposes of this project are to increase load rating capacity of the beams to carry legal loads and avoid any weight restrictions. um to address the poor condition of the deck, to increase the roadway width 24 feet to meet state standards, to replace the bridge and approach rail systems to meet current safety standards, um and to provide a bridge um with a a service life um to extend beyond what it is now. Um it's 69 years old and it's um near the end of its service life, 50 to 75 years. Uh we're proposing the full bridge replacement at this site. Um, and we'd also like to note that despite the deficiencies of the bridge, it is considered to be
019safe for the traveling public and it is regularly um inspected by the DOT. For this bridge site, we're uh proposing a new steel beam bridge. This is similar to the existing bridge. It provides two 65 foot uh spans steel beam with a reinforced concrete deck. It will have reinforced concrete abutments, a center pier, center pier, and wing walls with micro piles socketed to bedrock um to to improve the scour rating of the bridge. Um it will carry ashtto design legal and permanent vehicle loads. It will provide that 75 year service life with minimal maintenance. It'll provide a 24 foot wide roadway that will include two 10 foot travel lanes, two twoft shoulders, and a 5 and a half foot sidewalk located on the northern side of the bridge. Um there will be drainage improvements located
020on um White Street and uh the bridge rail and approach rail systems will meet current safety standards. These are some of the um aesthetical treatments that are proposed with bridge. Um the bridge will have form liner applied to the concrete to simulate stones on the wing walls and on the end blocks. And um this is an example of what the open bridge rail system looks like. And that can be at the color of the town's choice. This is um a cross-sectional view of our recommended alternate the continuous uh span steel beam bridge. You'll see that the overall width is 33 ft and It provides the two 10 foot travel lanes, the two two foot shoulders, and the 5 and a half foot sidewalk on the northern side per the town's request um for better pedestrian
021access. The bridge will also have that three tube permounted bridge rail attached to the bridg's fascia on both sides. And um the super structure will support the 8 inch gas main and the five I'm sorry, 8 inch water man and the 5 in gas man. This is a plan view of the bridge. Again, um north is pointing up and the roadway goes from west to east. The silver flows from south to north. The orange represents the steel beam bridge with the two 65 ft spans. Um the yellow represents the uh reconstructed White Street roadway. Um this bridge provides 123.5 um of hydraulic opening and um there's drainage improvements along the eastern side of White Street. There's um the pink represents the 32 per mounted bridge rail and um guide rails and the flared wing walls
022are shown in gray to support the road embedments on all four corners. This is a bridge elevation view. Um this again shows that those two um 65 foot spans for an overall structure length of 130 ft. Orange represents um the steel beam bridge which is supported by abutments, wing walls and that center pier. Uh the metal beam guide rail is attached to end blocks um with that stamped concrete form liner to represent stone masonry. The wing walls and um end blocks will oh I'm sorry I missed that part. Will be stamped with wing walls and concrete abutments um will be microp piles socketed to bedrock to eliminate scour concerns um and uh the proposed hydraulic conditions will match existing um for this site. So the bridge will provide um 1.3 ft of under clearance, 1
023and 1/2 ft of freeboard and 1 foot ele back backwater elevation change uh to meet that 1 foot maximum standard. This is the proposed roadway plan. So again north is pointing up. Um at this site the bridge the roadway on the bridge will be widened from 22 feet to 24 ft. Um the sidewalk will be moved from the south side to the north side for pedestrian access. Um the existing horizontal alignment will be maintained with some minor improvements to the vertical alignment. Um here again are those drainage improvements on the eastern side and also on the eastern side the roadway will be narrowed some um to to help traffic. Um this is the exist this is the proposed roadway profile. It will match existing uh for the most part with just a few minor improvements.
024Uh this is the roadway detour um that is proposed. It's a half mile long uh bridge 05126 uh White Street Bridge will be closed um during traffic. It'll utilize White Street, Wallen Street um and Route 8. Um it will also cross um bridge number 03986 located on Wallen Street. As far as utility impacts go, there are overhead utilities on the southern side. So those will be temporarily and permanently relocated further south. Um, also the gas and water man that are present below the bridge, those will have to be temporarily relocated and supported um during construction and then permanently supported back on the new bridge. As far as um environmental impacts, there are temporary and permanent impacts um with minimal work in the waterway and uh fish and wildlife will be protected with best management practices.
025There are no anticipated impacts to um to historical any historical um aspects of the site. Um as far as permits, uh we anticipate an inland and wetlands and water force permit with the town of Winchester, a Connecticut DOT flood management certification memorandum of understanding, and a US Army Corps of Engineers self-verification registration. This is the same roadway plan as the previous slide, but this highlights the rates of way impacts. Um, most of the impacts will be take that will be um applied to properties owned by the Connecticut DOT or the state of Connecticut and the town of Winchester. Um, there are three permanent takes proposed for the construction and the maintenance of the main walls highlighted in orange. There are also slope easements proposed around the bridge embankments and um there are temporary construction easements
026highlighted in purple um for the construction. Uh finally just the rights to install erosion and sedimentation controls uh during construction. I'm now going to pass it over to Jack from the department's rights and way unit to discuss the rates of way process. Thanks Steph. Good evening. My name is Jack Carlson. I'm an assistant project coordinator with the Connecticut D's division of Rice of Way. Our office is responsible for the acquisition of property rights necessary for transportation projects. So before I begin, um as Steph mentioned, there are a few property uh rights that will be necessary for the completion of the project. Um but any property rights that are required will be in accordance with Connecticut General Statutes 13A73 as well as 13A9E and the Federal Uniform Act. Next slide. So the U provide a brief
027overview of our acquisition process. Um once the project has reached a specific development milestone, um the property impacts that are required will be finalized and at that point um property maps will be generated that depict the specific impacts to each property owner. A formal letter of intent to acquire will be mailed to each impacted property owner as well as a copy of the property map that shows those specific property rights being acquired. At that point, um the uh our office will determine the fair market value of those specific property rights and we'll uh use that uh information to generate an offer of just compensation which will be provided to the property owner in writing. Um and as well as a property map will be included with that. And the uh office will provide a rightaway
028agent to meet with the affected property owner to explain the actual project the specific impacts being acquired from their property as well as the department's offer. After that the department will then um allow a reasonable amount of time about approximately 30 days for the property owner to enter into negotiations to consider the offer and negotiations. When an agreement is reached, the department will prepare all the necessary legal paperwork, the deed and as well as generate a myar archival copy uh quality copy of the property map and report that in the town man records for the property. However, if an agreement is unable to be reached in order to maintain a timely project schedule, the department will then move to exercise its right power of eminent domain to acquire the necessary property rights for the project
029and will file file a notice of condemnation on the Lichfield Superior Court and make a monetary deposit in the amount of the department's initial offer with the court. After uh at that point, the property owner then has six months from the date on the notice of condemnation that's filed with the court to file an appeal and uh and they would also be available able to withdraw the money that was deposited in the court at any time during that period whether or not they choose to appeal or not. Um, one last note I'd like to make is that the department will only acquire property rights necessary for the project. And if there are any additional questions about the rightway process, I'd be happy to answer the presentation. With that, back to Scott. Thank you. Thank you,
030Jack. So, to to summarize this presentation, um, we're we're looking at the schedule um for the schedule, we're looking to start construction in the spring of 2027. This is, of course, subject to rights of way and approvals. Um we anticipate the construction duration to be two seasons um 16 months because of the size of the bridge. Um the estimated construction cost is [Music] 9,680,000. This is as mentioned earlier um using 80% federal funds and 20% state funds with no cost to the town of Winchester. Um and one final thing to note, the cost and schedule are preliminary. So they are subject to change through design. So um again if if anyone has any um questions or comments on this project please email um the address do-flct.gov um or call that phone number 8605942020 and leave
031a voicemail. Please um you know note that this is for the White Street Bridge Project in the town of Winchester and again uh that web page is posted here as well. Um we do we are accepting comments through June 23rd, 2025. So that's two weeks from now. You can also email Andrew Shields um from the DOT for this project or call them. Um I think that wraps up our presentation. Um move on to the question answer. Are there any um questions from the public or the zoning commission? I just had one. Does it make sense to prep that bridge for a sewer line for future expansion? So, there's there's already a sewer line, but it goes under the river and out to a manhole over over on Route 8. So, sewer does go there. Um,
032we've had some discussion that it might not be a bad idea to have a replacement pipe because digging a new one under the river has obvious environmental impacts. It's slow. It's prone to, you know, infiltration. So, it's a thought. Yeah. Seems like if it's under the river, it might be a big thought. It's yeah, it's it's I mean it's ductal ductal iron. It's tough, but it's it's always nice to have a plan B sitting there that you can connect to in case of an emergency or the other one has an issue. Somebody in the back in the audience has a question. Hi, I'm Mard. I'm the owner of Fairchild Precision Parts. Um, so I think we met a couple months ago that described a project to me. Um, and I think at that time we
033talked a lot about the impact to my business and the impact to the apartments. Um, and in that discussion we talked about alternate designs and maybe moving the bridge more south than where it is. Is that still up for debate or have you all settled on the design? So uh one of the uh one of the ordinance was the temporary the detour and for now we are still following that plan. Uh I think when we mentioned to you uh related to the detour there were two concerns. One was uh the bridge itself. Uh right now there's no issue uh there's no concern with the bridge but uh we are waiting for a load rating request. Uh and if and when that if and should there be a problem steel. The second was your turning movement
034from White Street onto street. I think Jeff from our office did some movement analysis and you want to add Not exactly sure what size trucks you have, but we use the pretty large truck W62, which is truck. Yeah, these are like 18 wheelers. Yeah. Maybe that facility like every every day almost. Yep. So that's standard we use for that kind of truck. Um there will be some impacts if we had to widen that corner a little bit to get a 62 to navigate from White Street onto Wall Street. I'm thinking on the order of five to six feet. We have to move that corner back and that would probably disrupt seven or eight parking spaces temporarily during construction. Um I know there was talk about that container that's out there. So the impacts don't even
035get close to that container. That gives you kind of an ide. Okay. And then White Street, the street itself that I can look at, that's a narrow street. It's about 18 18 and 12 to 21 ft wide. Um, we didn't look at doing any improvements to the roadway itself, but again, we can, you know, look at tree trimming and try to widen that out a little bit. Trucks. You're going to have construction crew alongside Right. Construction crew, I think, is going to be isolated more to down by the bridge. So, they won't be staging anything. Okay. Does that mean that there's going to be construction on my property? Uh, not if they don't have a temporary construction. Okay. So, we do have one temporary construction ement for them to get down underneath the bridge. It's
036a it's probably a 10 foot. on your property. Most of it is on the state property. Okay. Yeah. So, this is the finalized design that you aren't making any changes. No, it's not it's not finalized. Um, we did the preliminary design. Now, it's got to go through the final design. Okay. So, there will be some tweaks, but you know, we're not we're not looking at making any major changes for And I think your second question was related to potentially realigning White Street with the other I think Jeff Yeah, we did look at that. Um the flood plane gets really wide as you go south. He's got to be far enough south beyond the pump station. And then if we were to realign that road, we want to realign with main drive. We don't want offset.
037Um flood plane in the wetlands are almost twice as wide as what they are at the bridge. Uh, so there'd be a lot more environmental impacts. There's a pretty significant cover coming down Brook Street that dumps out directly across Route 8. That would have to get relocated. Um, there'd be pretty good uh property tax to that private property south of the pump station. As you can see, I think the red line underneath the pump station is where the town's um easement or rightway end. So, anything further south of that is all private property. Um, and then there are some potentially archaeological uh stone foundations um south of that. You know, I don't know if we'd impact it, but they're definitely in the area. So, that's something we have to consider. So, given all those different
038uh I guess struggles in trying to get that road further south, doesn't seem like it's a really back to work on mentioning that structure. Yeah, scope would have to get relocated. Yeah, that becomes a huge roadway project. Yeah, I mean it's $10 million, so it's already pretty big. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about fixing the roadways for the future, so that's part of, you know, considering that. That's all I'm asking. Yeah. No, it's a good question. And you know we may even have to go to a threespan bridge because the flood plane and the weapons are that much wider which was introducing up here. So even all that based on kind of a conceptual review seemed like anybody else have any more questions of the presenters commission members? Anybody? Okay. want to go with the
039next bridge. I'm going to keep going. Take a sip of water and I'll continue on. Okay. So, the next bridge we're discussing tonight is bridge number 0162-0162. Uh state that's the state project number. It's the replacement of the Grantville Road bridge um over the Mad River in the town of Winchester. Um here in the the project location map, um the center is bridge number 05132. It's located on Grantville Road which is north to south in the vicinity of the bridge and the Mad River flows below it um from west to east. Um the bridge is located approximately 500 ft south of the Danbury Quarter Road. Um and there are two properties north of the bridge um that we do not anticipate impacting um with their driveways or anything uh with construction. Um, this bridge was
040built uh in 1956. It's a single span bridge uh 29 ft 10 in long. The super structure is pre-stressed concrete deck units and it's supported by concrete abutments um and flood footings founded on soil. The roadway width of the bridge is 22 feet 4 in. Um and the average daily traffic for this bridge is 60 vehicles per day. Um this bridge is considered to be an intermediate structure. It has a 7 and 12 square mile whed and it also has the 100year design storm for this intermediate structure. The hydraulic clear span for this bridge is 28 ft which is less than the 1.2 times bankful width um of 31.2 ft. Um, similar to the other bridge, the under clearance of a bridge is the difference between the 100year storm elevation highlighted in the blue dashed
041line um to the bottom of the the concrete deck for this bridge. Um, this bridge has an underclarance of 9/10 of a foot, which is less than the one foot minimum standard. the freeboard um which is the difference between that 100year design storm and the low point of the roadway which is located south of this bridge is 210 of a foot um which again is less than the um one foot minimum standard. And finally the backwater elevation which is the difference between the water surface elevation if the bridge did not exist um to to what it is today is um 1.3 ft um which is greater than the 1 foot maximum standard. So this bridge increases the water surface elevation by 1.3 ft at the Mad River. And um this bridge also is found to
042be scour susceptible. This bridge um also had the most recent routine inspection um done in May of 2024. This table summarizes the conditions of the bridge. Um both the deck and super structure are rated to be in poor condition while the um substructure and the channel and channel protection are rated to be in good condition. Um again the guide rail and the approach rails the bridge rails um do not meet current safety standards and the overall structural evaluation for this bridge is rated to be a four. So it meets the minimum tolerable limits if it's left in place as is. Looking at the load rating data, um the Connecticut DOT load rating was completed in May of 2022 for this site. This bridge has an HL93 rating of 1.2 which is um greater than the
043the maximum stand the standard I'm sorry standard I should say. And um this bridge provides ashtto and Connecticut legal load ratings of greater than one. Um so there are no weight restrictions on this bridge. Uh here are some site photos. So this top left photo shows the east downstream elevation. This um top right photo shows the west upstream elevation. This um bottom left photo shows the bridge bridg's south approach. And this bottom right photo shows the br north approach. Uh this top left photo shows the overlay and bridge rail condition. This top right photo shows um the south abutment and um the west facial condition. You'll see some deterioration on the fascia here. This bottom left photo shows um the south roadway approach and the overhead utilities. I've highlighted these in yellow because they were
044kind of camouflaged. Um this bottom right photo of the north roadway approach in the intersection of Danbury Porter Road. This top left photo shows um some of the the fascia deck condition um and deterioration at the rail post. This bottom left top right photo shows the underside of the pre-stress concrete deck unit and the deterioration here. This bottom photo shows the upstream channel of Mad River. And then that shows the downream channel the map. Looking at the this project's purposes and needs, um we are looking to address the poor condition of a deck in the super structure. Um to provide a new bridge um as this one is near the end of its service life. To increase the roadway width to 24 ft to meet the um minimum standards uh preferred by the state. To
045replace the bridge and trail systems to meet the current safety standards to eliminate the bridg's scour susceptible rating um to improve the hydraulic performance of the bridge by providing um a 31.2 foot hydraulic clear span um improving under clearance freeboard and backwater elevation. The proposed rehabilitation for this bridge is also the full bridge replacement and again um despite the deficiencies of the bridge it is considered to be safe for the traveling public and it's regularly inspected by the DOT. For this site, we're proposing a new pre-stressed concrete deck unit bridge. This bridge will be a 41 ft 3 in long single span again with a concrete deck unit um providing a hydraulic clear span of 38 ft. The bridge will have reinforced concrete abutments, wing walls, and micro piles socketed to bedrock for scour. It
046will safely carry the Astro design and legal permit vehicle loads. It'll have a 75 year service life with minimal maintenance. Provide the 24 foot wide roadway, including two 12oot travel lanes. The bridge will have um an open bridge rail system and approach rail system to meet current safety standards. Um and the roadway will be shifted slightly to the east to improve the sighteline conditions um across the bridge. Um looking at the improved aesthetics again, uh the form liner applied to concrete simulating stone. These are examples of wing walls and end blocks um with that stone treatment and um the bridge rail system that's metalized in the color of the town's choice. This is cross-sectional view of the proposed um pre-stressed concrete deck unit bridge. So again um the roadway width here is 24 ft providing
047two 12T travel lanes. Here are the 32 curve mounted bridge rails attached to the bridg's fascia. And um the deck is is a pre-stress concrete deck unit with a cast in place concrete topping to protect the the deck units. Uh this is uh the proposed bridge plan view. Again um north is pointing pointing to the right and up. Um the Mad River flows below the bridge from um west to east. Um the proposed super structure provides with two 12T travel lanes. In orange provides a hydraulic clear span of 38 ft with an overall uh span length of 41t 3 in. The yellow represents the reconstructed portion of Grantville Road. Um the gray again are the wing walls set on all four corners. um of the bridge and um the pink which you can barely see
048are the approach rail systems. Um this is the proposed bridge elevation view. So again um here is the the pre-stressed concrete deck unit shown in orange. This has a span length of 41 ft 3 in. Um the metal beam guide rail shown in pink um are attached to concrete end blocks to meet design standards. The gray are the wing walls and concrete abutments socketed um with micro pile socketed to bedrock to eliminate scour concerns. And any um exposed um areas in the end blocks and lean walls will have that stamped um concrete forming masonry um treatment. The open bridge rail system will accommodate the 100year design storm and improve the hydraulic um improve the hydraulic standards um providing 1.2 feet of under clearance, 1.8 ft of freeboard and a half a foot of backwater elevation
049change um for this site. This is the proposed roadway plan. So again in the vicinity of the bridge the roadway width will be widened from 22 feet 4 in to 24 ft. Uh we are proposing approximately 450 ft of roadway reconstruction and um the roadway alignment will be improved and sight lines will be improved um by shifting the the bridge and the roadway slightly to the east approximately 5 ft. This is the proposed roadway profile. Um you'll see that the roadway is increasing um being raised approximately 10 in um to improve the hydraulic conditions of the site. This is the proposed detour. It's um 8.4 miles long and it utilizes local roads. It uses Grantville Road, W Road, Winchester Road, and Schoolhouse Road. Um, this was evaluated and recommended by the town. Um, the bridge
050would remain closed um during construction, which is located up here 05132. Um, so this is this is the best detour uh for this area. Um looking at utility impacts, there are overhead utilities um located east of the existing bridge. So those will have to be um temporarily or permanently relocated um and maintained throughout construction. As far as environmental impacts, there are temporary and permanent wetland impacts proposed with minimal work in the waterway and best management um practices will be met to protect the fish and wildlife. Um there are no historical impacts anticipated for this site and the anticipated permits are the inland wetlands and water course permit from the town of Winchester, the Connecticut DOT flood management certification memorandum of understanding and the US Army Corps of Engineers self-verification registration. Um this is looking at
051the roadway plan again but um as far as rightway impacts go um there are slope easements located on um this side of the bridge as well as two temporary construction ements. Um other than that, this project will also require the rights to install erosion and cementation controls. I'm now going to ask Jack to come up and speak about the right. So, um I can re I can go over the process again. I don't new phases. Um, but the same process for this project as well. Again, everything will be done in accordance with Connecticut General Statutes 13A73 as well as 138 98 and the federal uniform acts. Move on. Next slide. Um, so again, just going over our process again. Um, once the develop the projects reach that development milestone where the property impacts have been
052finalized, um, we will send out that formal letter of intent to acquire along with the property map. depicts the specific rights being acquired. In this case, I believe there's only two impacted property owners. So, two impacted property owners will receive those uh property maps. Um the department will then provide evaluation of those impacts um and then provide an offer of just compensation to property owners and a property agent will become available to explain the project, the impacts as well as the actual offer to the affected property owners. Um at that point there's that 30-day period in general of the reasonable amount of time to enter negotiations consider the department's offer and uh and uh if the agreement is reached then the department will prepare the necessary legal documents to record the either warranty deed in
053this case via an easement deed on the land records and uh property that a copy of that property map um for the town main land records and then if it uh negotiations uh were to reach impass then the department would uh exercise the power of the domain to acquire the necessary property rights and make that initial offers deposit into the court superior court in this case superior court and um and then the property owner then will have six months to appeal that decision but during that period can withdraw that money from the court at any time and whether they decide to appeal and again to reiterate the department will only acquire property rights needed for the project itself again if there's any questions about the railway process happening at the conclusion of presentation. Thank you.
054So to wrap up this presentation, um the schedule for this project is also to begin in the spring of 2027. Of course, subject to rights of way and permit approvals. This project has a one season construction duration, so eight months. The construction cost is $3,900,000. And um this is again using 80% federal funds and 20% state funds with no cost to the town of Winchester. And again, I'd just like to note that the costs in the schedule are preliminary and are subject to change. Um so similar to the other project, we have the email um dot-lb.gov that um questions can be sent to or by phone 86059420. Leave a voicemail. Please note that um this is for the Grantville Road project in the town of Winchester um and those will be open um through June
05523rd, um to for our response to answer um any questions on the project. Um I think that wraps it up for me. Thank you. Questions from the commission. Questions from the audience? information surveys or anything like that. How do we know that matches? So this map actually was developed uh by the surveyors and they also research the town record. So that's how the property lines are. The ones that you see in the red that's a town right away and what uh you see in purple that parts that's a temporary construction ement. So the plans are preliminary but what we are proposing is a temporary construction ement that's something that we need from the owner so that we can construct the bridge and once the bridge is constructed it comes back to you references to yes
056that's the right process that uh or something. Yes, the property map once the final property map has been created that has a list of references as far as data on the public records. So it's a class survey baseline sorry when they did the survey they would have had picked up like CH like you have the basine It's required that that information is picked up in the intro the introductory survey to the project. So all that stuff is picked up and it's also compared to the town records to make sure that what's there and what we present is true and accurate. So this doesn't how does land owner realize this match is there right away? You'll when we go through the acquisition process, you'll have a property map with all your information will be addressed. Yeah.
057Yes. Property map will just depict that area regarding drainage. There doesn't appear to be any measures for for the increased runoff. There's definitely no drainage proposed here. There be any measures added to mate concerns pretty much drainage. It appears the raising the roads possess. So something ongoing concern for the west side of narrow narrow channel. So that's been an issue that's been deteriorating the road for some time. I don't see any change that So you will be taking that into account in the final. Correct. You weren't aware of it but now you are. And yeah. Okay. That's not a major change to have to incorporate. But usually when we go through we evaluate if there's closed systems like catch bases what not this being open drain system. And getting information out there helps us go
058through the process whether or not we need to address it with something catch based sw. So will there be some other opportunity for this property owner to see that final design, see these things happening. You'll see a you'll see the town will see the 60% plans when they're developed at semi-final. That's going to be available for their view. And then obviously when you're approach affect your impact your property is going to be shown you through property maps and what he's talking about the public road within the public. They'll be available at the town. Anybody else have any questions of the presenters? And those plans will all be on open gov, right? You know, any citizen can go in and look at those if the town should stop. Yeah, for sure. Right. Yes. Any other questions?
059Uh, concerns. Okay. Well, thank you very much. All right, just uh Rrista is here. Uh John Cooney came in, but he wasn't feeling well, so he's absent excused. The Scott Eisen we haven't heard from. So the uh next thing we'll do is uh make a decision with regards to what was presented for the 824 referral. Did we you have any uh draft motions on that? No, we don't have a draft. I gave you some language in your staff report. So, what you would want to do is review review some of the language that I that I gave you there. What you need to do is make a determination for that. The good bridge projects are are consistent with the goals of Thank you. All right. So, at this point, we've moved the uh action on
060those two uh presentations to right now. Um, so I'll make a motion uh to on uh state project number 0162-0161, the replacement of bridge number 05126, White Street over Still River, that we make a positive recommendation to the board of selectman uh and the 824 referral. Uh the it's consistent with the goals within the 2021 Winchester uh POC which outlines maintenance and rehabilitation of public facilities and roads as key actions. I'll second that. So we have a second. We have comments or discussion of the motion. All in favor of the motion. Okay. The second uh project. So, I'll make a motion to uh do positive recommendation of uh 824 referral to state project number 0162-0162, replacement of bridge number 05132, Grantville Road over Mad River. And again [Music] uh this uh complies with the PCD
061that we have in place from uh uh maintains the uh upgrading the public infrastructure, maintaining the transportation system and good repair for consistent reliable use. Um, and that's the 2021 Winchester POCD which outlined maintenance and rehabilitation of public facilities and roads as key actions. I'll second that. Also, we got a motion and a second uh discussion of the motion. All in favor of the motion. Okay. So that's uh we'll fill that figure that information out, send it over to the uh board of select. But thank you for presentation. Thank you commission and special thanks to Jeremy and his office for all that public notification and organizing all that stuff. That was really super helpful. Thank you guys. All right. Good night. Thank you. Thanks, J. Okay. Uh the next is uh the uh public comment
062number three. Do we have anybody that has anything that they want to ask or submit to us uh other than what's on our the on the agenda? Mr. Chair, if I may, uh, and this is an error on my part, so I apologize. Under 6A, under under number six, new business, we need to add PZC25-11. Uh, this is going to be a special permit for a new nonconforming use in a an existing non-conforming property. So, it will require a special hearing. So, I would just ask when we get to that part of the accept. All right. When we get there, I copy all that down. So, so we'll add that uh six C. We've acted on 6 A and B. Thank you. Okay. Uh the next uh is number four is a public hearing for
063uh application PCC25-8. Applicant Timothy Wy Jr. licensed surveyor located 165 Torington Road. Proposal special permit application for mixeduse building to include landscape construction uh yard uh storage personal many warehouse vehicle sales personal vehicle sales professional vehicle sales pleasure and a large warehouse. So if you'd like to make the presentation of what you're proposing please. Well, the client that I'm looking for is just your name and address, please. Name and address is Tim Wy. Lancer there. Property I am referring to is 165 Torington Road. Okay. just uh so this is the plan that you you've submitted this uh okay yeah my client's looking to change uh add some use to his existing property in town gateway so he wants to add it to mixeduse building landscape construction yard storage personal in many warehouse vehicle sales and
064service both personal pleasure and professional and then warehouse large. So when you're drawing you presented to us you've got looking at it the be the north side but the northeast side you've got the boat RV and equipment storage area and just that open area. Yeah. There's no real no definition of that definition of that. What's the story? What's the What's the surface going to be? Just is there any pavement or No, that's all old gravel that's now grown over as you know, weeds pretty much now. And then the the front section toward the uh Route 800, landscaping, material storage, and construction yard storage. So there's nothing. Yeah, that's along that's along the DOT's maintenance facility there along the fence line. Okay. It's basically that whole hatched area between the driveway of existing building and the
065parking lot from that area toward the DOT parcel would be any any lighting or No, there's no lighting or anything. The only lighting that he's proposing is along the driveway entering the parcel. Okay. So, go ahead. I'm sorry. Is he going to all these things? Is it a dealership or that he's going to have as a dealer or is he renting them renting spaces just for storage for people have like over winter storage or Yeah, essentially that would be the boat and RV storage area over there. That's private rentals, right? And then the display area is listed on the I guess would be the westerly side of the existing parking paved parking area. That would be the display area for for sales. Sales. Yeah, he's going to do sales and Yeah, storage would be off
066to the northeasterly side. So when you say car, truck equipment display, that's the that's the sales that he would be Yes. And is that going to be parked out? Is that grass there? That's old gravel when which is now kind of weeds also, but yeah, that's all. It's hard to define the gravel area. So that the whole area is where it come. Uh I don't know that there is a idea to move any farther than I would say probably to the buffer area. So that whole area will be filled with vehicles and this whole area will be filled. Yeah. Unless there's a limit that he wants to hold. Well, typically when we've had something come in like this, we've got a little better definition of what he anticipated. Yeah. Well, I mean, the way I
067have it on here, I was thinking, you know, that it would be in this area. He also wanted to put in something else that would be in the future, I suppose. So, that would kind of hinder right where the display area would be as well. So, I would say at this point it's probably maybe 200 feet is the intent right now for the display area. So I see on here too it also says landscape material storage. So is it display area just for vehicles or display area for any kind of landscaping out front the display area? I don't know the answer to that. I I think you know the display area is really just for the fire truck and equipment area. construction equipment. I know that. But you have no idea if the landscape I
068don't know about landscaping. Two parts here. This is all partial B1, right? P2 is not anything except for the lighting. And you've got it looks like vehicles out there too have one line uh where you've got proposed lights. Pavement. Yeah, that's the delineation in the pavement there. Okay. And what's he wants the display area in the gravel area for the construction equipment? Okay. What you've got proposed lights. Mhm. What What's the definition? What are the lights that you're talking about? Um there are typical parking lot lights with the block offer. Do you have any pointed down? I don't have a detail of specific lights. We we should have the detail on that. So it'll be incorporated with whatever we with a cut sheet on. Yeah, with a cut sheet on it so that we have
069that detail. So when you put them in, it'll be inspected, whatever the base is. And uh so all all you've got proposed lights on here. Yeah, I would say they wouldn't be anything as much as the DMV has next door. Well, I would say in order to get we I recommend we continue this so that we can just get that information from you so we can incorporate it. Um, so you got your driveway is gravel. You got a paved driveway that's coming through from Okay, I see where runs across DMV property. Yeah. And then it's all gravel. It's pretty much all gravel. Yeah. Until you get up to the building. He did pay around parking versus existing parking. Yeah. Which shows it doesn't show in building detail, but it shows around existing parking area is
070paved. We labeled it and that is striped parking right now. It's delineated. Okay. And so regarding that coverage, are you on the gravel area as Yeah. If I if I yeah if I calculated impervious on here yes that is should be yes that's all calculated because then the definition gravel is I know you said there was a gravel well I didn't I because I couldn't delineate that so I didn't really because it was used for landscape stockpiling anyway prior to that and has been disturbed so many times and so it's hard to really see where the gravel actually is. I delineated where gravel is that is most used now. All right. The uh you've got proposed ADA parking sign too. We should we should have that also uh put on something that we can put
071in the file for this so that when it's inspected it it complies with what we're uh supposed to have. Um, so you got a dumpster pad in the back, but you're talking about not enclosing that because of where it's below Route 8 that slopes down to the property. Is that Well, it's the idea is uh it's behind the building, so it should be basically out of view of the public. There still should be fenced in. Keep animals and bears and stuff out. Yeah. So, we would actually need, you know, definition of what you've got there. And then you should show an enclosure so we could have a gate so that it could be enclosed and protected from animals. So, I just want to go back. You say that you're going to have equipment. So, this
072is require used car or used vehicle permit from the state of Connecticut. So I I know that they're going to want to see the exact location for sales. And I personally I don't necessarily have a real issue with this type of use here. But but I've seen these uses kind of go haywire, go out of control. So if we're moving to continue the public hearing, I would like to see a revised map with the storage is going to be in the front area. What part of the property for used car sales versus storage of private vehicles? And then kind of the landscape material storage. What is that going to look like? Is it going to be a covered building? Is there going to be path? Is it just going to be piles of dirt um
073or stone or whatever? I'd just like some more detail on what this site will look like and where these uses will be. I think also, you know, we're going to have all these these used vehicles for sale, but where are the customers supposed to park? If that's just around the building, maybe a little bit more detail, what was intended for that? What I would like to see? Well, in addition, uh, if there's going to be a license gain from the DMV or they have specific requirements, minimum requirements what they have to have in the building. Yeah. And this plan I would presume would then be used by that I mean in that application. So, if you could get a copy of what they they have a packet that you could get and it will show
074the minimum requirements and if you can show that definition in the building so that you know you've got access to be able to maintain anything you know maintenance and so forth that comes in it should be defined on that because that's what would come through our approval and then would go to DMV for their approval. So, they would need it approved by us. see how many how many service areas. Well, if they Yeah, if they have whatever they're going to have for service area and then they've got it possibly office, they might have a uh the parts section and so forth. Uh yeah. Well, that's shown on the building detail. It's shown where? On the building detail. Okay. Oh, I see. Okay. Y So you So it's a 14 two two 14t overhead doors. Okay.
07514 foot wide. Yep. And then yeah, you know, they have a 14 by 18 foot office. They have an area for spark parts storage and then the waste oil storage. So you might just I mean we can scale this because you got it written as a scale but you might write the def dimensions on that. So that when it comes in this is what would be you know approved by us and you'd be the dimensions on the service. Yes. Yes. Please. I've done a lot of these through the years and uh they get pretty particular with regards to what's being presented and how it has to match what we approve and then it goes to them. Uh I see the well shows here next to the building. Is there an existing septic system on site?
076Any idea where it is there? Uh the septic system is out in the front west northwest corner of the building under your parking lot or uh next to the building there's two manholes. Okay, I see the two manholes. The fields are there under the parking lot or any idea where they are located? I don't know where the fields are. I didn't Okay, health. Yeah, we may want to show that on there just uh to make sure it's not fields don't go out under it where you're going to have your construction yard or material storage or something there. So, you you're going to add the uh details on your proposed lighting, what they are and what the base is going to be and so forth. Uh we'll need You got the building layout. So, um, okay.
077There's no additional lighting on the outside of the building at all around the perimeter other than what's already there. You know, not nothing that I know is proposed. I don't know if there's lights on the building itself. Yeah, I think there may be one on the front, but going by at night, but I just wondered. But if there are if there's going to be lighting on it, it should show it on the plan so that we've got that in a reference of what it is exactly. It should be at a 90 degree cut off. Yes. It feeds the the river. That sort of thing. That's all drainage from Route 8. It comes close behind the state DOT property and all the drainage from Route 8 comes down through there. Okay. Do you know what we
078need what we've asked you for so that we can get it? septic area, the light area for the used car sales. The light detail, the ADA sign detail. Yes. Dumpster enclosure. Dumpster. Dumpster enclosure. Probably should have gotten a red pen. I probably able to read it faster. I think and then dimension the service area. Yes. More clearly. Yes. just so it's clear because that's who we presented and that would be the license area. So, uh and I would just say too when you showed up that parking area in the front look at the regulations for landscaping parking just for that. Okay. Anybody else on the commission have anything comments? What what what we don't want is have them come back and then come up with more stuff at the end. Uh so if that's complete
079then if you could bring that into the office and get it here for the next meeting. You included the DMV requirements in that. Pardon? You DMV requirements? Well, that's that's what I suggest because if you get a packet from them, I used to have them all the time, but I don't now. Uh it'll tell you exactly what they're looking for. So, if there's any additional information on there that they require, it's good to get it here and get it done and then you're, you know, ready to go. Okay. Can you have that stuff ready in two weeks, you think, or will it take longer? No, it should be two weeks. Okay. I just So, when we continue this public hearing, we can continue it to our next meeting, which is the 23rd. So, okay. Anybody
080else have any comments? All right. So you if there's anything you think you're missing, just check with the office there and they'll give you the copy of what's came out in the meeting tonight. Okay. Okay. All right. So that's Thank you. That's good. So we'll continue the public hearing to I'll make a motion to continue public hearing PCC 25-8 applicant Timothy Wy Junior LC uh location 165 to our June 23rd meeting 7 p.m. Second. Got a second. Any discussion? All in favor? You're an alternate, so you're not seated. Are you seated? What? What do we have? One, two, three, four. John's not here. I could Yeah, I'm sorry. See her. You're seated. That's what happens when you get this old. I'm confused. Yeah, that's [Applause] Sorry. [Applause] Okay. Papers. Yeah. Right. Okay. The next uh
081public hearing is uh number 4B PCC 25-9. Applicant Martin Connor. Location 103 Riverton Road. proposed a special permit application to add storage business outdoor limited and landscape construction uh yard use of the property. So, if you just introduce yourself and good evening, Mr. Chairman and Commission. My name is Martin Connor. I'm a certified planner with the American Institute of Certified Planning. Uh I've been doing planning work in the Northwest Corner for about 35 years. uh former city planner in the city of Torington, uh town planner for Gan for 30 years. I've done some work for the town of Winchester uh helping you with some big projects in the past. Today I'm uh here with a small project for uh Nick Alexson and Will Sweeney who are in the audience. You want to stand up? Hopefully,
082you've uh met these two guys in the past. They're are very hardworking young businessmen that want to expand one of your existing businesses in town. Uh and um we've provided you with the site plan which you should have in your packet. [Applause] If you're familiar with this site, um Nick Alexson currently uh has a business where he is a diesel mechanic and he fixes uh trucks and some larger vehicles. Uh I believe in the past you've known this property uh for bus storage. So, it's uh actually right now is a very underutilized site. Has a huge gravel parking area on it. And uh these young enterprising gentlemen knew that uh contractors are getting their vehicles fixed from time to time there. oftentimes uh they're involved with landscaping and they came up with the idea to
083use the underutilized section of that property to put some concrete bins which they'll form on the site and we've given you some information on that along with a photograph you should have in your packet of of basically what they should look like and they'll uh sell some earthn materials uh using the existing office. Nick Yusen is existing secretary. Um we don't need to add to the building other than uh after meeting with town staff uh the uh having to put a uh handicap parking space uh and uh designate a few parking spaces on the side of the building. Uh otherwise, we're not changing the lighting. Um we were uh it was suggested by town staff that we add some landscaping. So we've shown that on the plan. Uh also uh that we have a dumpster
084with a dumpster enclosure and I believe uh we've submitted some photographs of what that dumpster loca uh what the dumpster enclosure would look like to meet your regulations. Hopefully that's in your packet. With your permission, I just like to run through your special exception section. Yeah, that's the only thing I've got. Sorry, I you did submit [Applause] that. So, it is a special permit under section J of your zoning regulations. And I know when you consider special permits, you look at this section to determine whether or not uh the property is suitable for the use that we propose. Um I certainly u as a planner believe that this is more than suitable for the use that we're proposing. You look at the appropriate improvements. Uh we really are only adding uh the the uh construction
085bins which will keep the uh the products uh stone, you know, some mulch. It'll keep it in a very orderly fashion rather than piles of materials that you often see at these kind of yards. Uh suitable transportation conditions. Well, certainly where it's located. Um, you're all familiar with uh uh old Route 8 and Riverton Road is right by that intersection, so traffic conditions aren't a problem. Uh, we do have uh sewer and water available. Um, there are more than adequate public services in the area. There's not going to be a problem if uh fire or emergency need to come to the site. they'll be able to get around easily. Uh we have received an agent uh inland wetlands uh determination that our proposed project which is going to be done on the existing gravel area
086that's there presently will not impact the wetlands in the area. Um, in looking at your plan of conservation and development, you've got um actually in both the 2011 and the 2021 section of the of for this particular uh area of town, the Route 800 corridor, you're encouraging industrial and commercial uses in this northern portion. So, what we're proposing to do is right in line uh with your future land use summary contained in the plan as well as um this section uh that talks about continuing to explore opportunities for industrial expansion in this section of town. So, I think we're certainly in compliance with the 2021 POC. And when I look back at the 2011, it was really the same language. So you've continued to identify this area of town for this particular use. So there's
087going to have to be a motor vehicle license for this. Not for not for what they already have a motor vehicle license for the for the uh diesel mechanic uh truck and auto repair, but there isn't a license that we need for the sale of the earth and materials. Well, I've done an awful lot of automotive licensing things that we've built and uh so so you don't have to go into DMV. We don't. We already have our DMV license and you use this plan to show that they use the previous they use this plan but not with the construction not with what we're proposing. The bins are separate but they had previously um identified the bays and and the other um parking area. Would it be helpful if that was on this plan, frankly? And
088there's you've got lighting on the outside of the building. We're not proposing any additional lighting. We currently have uh the required lighting that the building department requires uh by the doors. Okay. I'd like to, frankly, I'd like to see that kind of thing on the plan, but you've also got parking in the green with a uh handicap and so forth. That's all going to be what? On gravel. No, we uh we have to pay it. We have to pave the the uh handicap spot and put a sign there. Okay. That's that's ADA ADA requirement. Okay. Well, that would be good to have whatever the detail that you're going to put on here for paving. So, you've got that. So, it's on this plan because I don't see any detail on here with regards in the
089notes of number eight in the notes, but I know what you mean. Well, there's no detail. It's going to be, but we should have that added. Uh you've got a uh handicap or the dumpster enclosure, but we should have It's in the back, Mr. Chairman. It's showing where it's being located. I see that. But I It should have dimensions on it. Should be whatever you're going to be for the pad that it's going to sit on and the height of this and the details of what the material is going to be. real quick. We do have uh we have provided uh staff with the details on uh the concrete bins. The dimensions that was a staff comment and they'll be 8 foot tall, 12t wide and 15t deep within the setback areas. Yeah. just mentioned
090that you've got it shown into into the setback areas up toward Col River Road for the dumpster enclosure. Does it have to be It should be inside the setback lines because you 15t sideyard set back and also the 30 yard set back from the road. Both dumps are okay. Okay, we can re relocate that within the gravel parking area, but we need something on the plan so that it can be incorporated in for this file that shows the detail of what the thickness of the uh slab is going to be. Uh the details of the what you've got a picture of here. So, we need details to be put on the plan so it goes together if you could. and whatever lighting you have on the building. I'd like to see you define what it
091is. If it's existing, then show it's an existing and it's, you know, whatever the wattage and so forth. Were these bends going to be shifted farther south? Uh, they're going to be shifted so that we're just using the gravel parking. Yeah, because at the rear the rear of those looks like you got to way the topography is, you would have to fill that area to Yeah, we're not going to do any of that. Yeah. So, I mean, they really should relocate that be relocated where they're going to be built on the map. So, your proposed hedro screen that's on state property. No, I don't think it is. See the boundary line? And the hedro is on this side of the boundary line along with the chain link fence. Well, that chain link fence currently exists.
092So, your hedge row is going to be on outside the we could put it on the inside of that. Well, that could be corrected. But the other thing is whatever the hedge row is going to be, uh we need the detail added to the uh plan so we have that detail so that when it's put in what type of planning they are. And the same thing with a proposed sign. It should be a proposed sign should be added to the plan so that we have what it is. It could be inspected when it's installed, including the whatever the base is going to be. We're just basically showing the proposed area for a sign. We would come in with that proposal, I would think, to staff for a zoning permit when the time pumps would be
093located where it's shown here, but you'd have to give us a minute for that to do a sign. You'd have to give us whatever that Wouldn't that normally be done with your zoning enforcement officer? Yeah, the sign is a separate zone, right? So, we're just showing a location. Okay. We don't have detail on the signage yet. Okay. But the proposed hedge row, it should be on your property, not outside the property. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. So, first I want to say I drive by this all the time and for a while there it was looking pretty bad. So, I want to commend you for taking care of all those cars that were there and kind of clean up the site. It looks much better, but kind of to point I didn't know if there
094was a permit on file or added where the cars will be stored that are there for the um the auto body or the service or whatever it's going to be now repair to kind of keep a handle on where those cars are. But I do want to just think that it looks so much better. And then the second question that I have is uh the material that's going to be stored in here open to the conditions. When it rains, is there going to be erosion? How are you going to prevent any erosion from this material leaving the bins? Well, that's the point of the bins to keep the material within the bins and they're in they'll be kept in the level uh area that's already gravel and disturbed. So, um and not going to have
095any salt material. So, I don't think environmentally you have any problem at all. We're talking stone and we're talking mulch, but that whole system of closures should be shifted so that it's going to show where it's going to actually be. Yeah, we're going to shift it on the map outside of that was one of the staff comments that we responded to outside of uh and put it in the area that's presently already gravel area. Now, Marty, you got the proposed parking area and spaces. So, is that going to be paved? We only need to pave the uh the handicap space under. How are you going to put the markings in there to keep that those parking areas there? Well, you you pave you got I could see if you paved where the handicap spot is,
096but what about the rest of those? Well, you can just put a a concrete bumper there to designate the the spaces. That's normally what you see uh in a gravel parking area. Well, I've been through a project I did in Southernington and that's one of the problems we had because we had parking that was going to be in a gravel area. So, we had to stripe the gravel and it doesn't work very well. That's why I'm saying if you just put the the concrete bumper areas where the parking spot is, that designates where you're going to uh park. All right. So, we need to have added to the plan what you're going to pave and what the pavement is going to be. And the sign that's going to be there for the handicap parking should
097be defined and shown. Uh the hedge row should be inside the property. It's showing it right out. It looks like a fence line. And that should be the detail of whatever it's going to be for planting. uh the dumpster enclosure should be inside the setbacks and we need the full detail of what the pad is going to be like what the materials are going to be the height of it and the dimensions and what if you're going to have gates on it which I presume you're going to have to if you're going to have an enclosure to show us what in fact you're going to So another question I have, you're saying this is a storage business. The reality is it's storage of material to sell. So now you're going to sell it to contractors
098or is there going to be like a homeowner can come in with a pickup truck or small dump truck and you're going to sell to him? If if you are shouldn't just also be retail retail sales. Well, firm staff had asked us that same question and we answered that that we would sell to both a contractor and and to a homeowner retail sales, right? So, yes, that that could be added to our application. The retail sales is a permitted use in this zone. It's not a special permit. No, but it should be. But we're fine with Yeah. If you feel that we should add the retail use, we're happy to add that. Well, I think you've got a nice property there that's you got the building concept. Yeah, it is. And it gives you the
099option too, you know, to have the retail. You have it there now. You put it in this application. And then it's done once. It's done once. you're good to go. And it' be happy to modify the application. Well, it'd be helpful to show your overhead door, you know, your access to the building where it is if you could just add a couple little things to that to make it easier understood. And then it's a permanent record here in the town and they know what they're inspecting. And you must have something that to get your license on this place. You must have had a little more involved plan than this. Nick, do you uh do you remember what plan you showed? Yeah, it was a handwritten plan. It was a It was a what was on
100file here and I just hand drew in pre-existing because of the body shop probably. Yes, correct. But I needed a whole new Yeah. DMV. Would it be a problem to clearly define on this plan that shows here what what you as far as your overhead door and your access to the building and the inside? It just uh been through this for a lot of years and it's just makes it a lot simpler to have one detail plan. Seems like those what they require and don't require change on a regular basis. Wow. So, yeah, I've been I did it for about 30 years and it was like Me, too. Yeah. Uh, any other comments from the commission? It's a public hearing. Anybody here would like to speak to the Yes, sir. I would just like to
101look at the plan. Sure. Yeah. All means. So, basically, yeah, we wanted to put some concrete bins, just add it to the existing gravel area. Okay. To put um stone and mulch, that kind of thing in. Yeah. It's pretty simple application. Oh, yeah. We're not changing the building itself. Yeah. We're just adding these concrete bins to the uh existing gravel area. There there's a good example of what it would look like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And uh yeah, we didn't have a U dumpster before, so we're adding a dumpster to the back of the property. Yeah. And we're going to put um some evergreens in the front, but we have to move them back from where we show them on this plan. But it's basically putting in the concrete bins, marking the handicap spot, putting a
102dumpster in, and adding some evergreens in the front. That's really the extent of what we're proposing to do. Yeah. No, my my only uh concern was I just didn't want a a lot of fill put down here where there's a there's a problem right here when we get real bad rain. Okay. The the brook overflows and in fact that actually overflows the bridge here. Okay. occasional four times this uh last year. Normally it only happens about once every 11 years, but All right. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I just just concerned about just this area here because a lot of times it it goes directly right into the river from this. So we're going to just stay in the gravel area. We're not going to we're not going to do any filling. We're not going
103to do any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy with that because I I have a small uh barn right here and I've had the water come up halfway up through the the barn when uh we get uh if we get three to four inches of rain in a in a a day within uh 24 hours this whole area is actually wetlands. Mhm. Uh and my whole property goes underwater. Oh boy. Yeah. We're not going to affect that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That that's my only better, but it's not going to get any worse. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm happy that the buses aren't there anymore. That beep beep beep in the morning's not pleasant, is it? Yeah. Well, it actually it wasn't so much the noise, but it was the smoke from the diesel engines. That
104was uh Okay. Yeah, that was a thing. Marty, what's what's the storage container that's out there in that north corner? Um, there's an existing storage container there, Nick. Correct. Yeah. What is it? I mean, is it uh just some overflow stuff from when I moved in? Wait, what was it? Steel container or is it Yeah. Yep. Yeah, ship container. That might have been the container to store tires in. The bus company was there. Okay. Agreement. Has it always been there? Yeah. Has it always been there? Yeah. Yeah. Do you have you summarized what we're uh asking? I think I've written it all down and fortunately we have our surveyor here. We heard it. He's going to be the one to make the changes on the plan. Can that be done in two weeks or you
105need more time? We're going to be busy for two weeks. I think all the surveyors, engineers are all busy. Everyone is. That's why I asked the question because we could push it out a little farther if need be. What's your thought about? Do you want to go to the next meeting or the first meeting in July? We going to be ready to go in two weeks. We're going to try. Okay. We might otherwise July 14th. Otherwise, just let us know that so we can go to the next. Yeah. Well, we'll schedule it for the 23rd, but if need be, then we can push it out two more weeks if we can't get done. We're just trying to get it done soon enough for you so you can get get it done this season. So, anything
106else anybody needs from the commission? Anybody in the public have anything that uh questions or concerns? Okay. I'll make a motion to continue it to the next meeting on June 23rd. June 23rd. I'll second it. Any comments or discussion of the motion? All in favor of the motion. Okay. So, we'll move forward with that. So, thank you, commission. Thank you. We think it's a good economic uh situation. That's a great idea and it's needed. Great idea. and your uh one of your commission members, if you didn't know, is getting a special award for her economic uh work in the northwest corner. So, congratulations to her. She worked for that. Yeah. And then some. She was well trained. I wonder who did that. [Music] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, let's do that. What's that?
107What do you want to do? Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Save you a couple hours. Hey, nine o'clock. That's it. Talk fast. All right. Okay. Let me see if we got to [Music] actually 25-1. We need a motion to add 25-1. Second. Any questions, comments? All in favor? Okay. You want to move that up? up. I make a motion to move 25-11 up before old business. Second. Hold on. Ready. Hold on. Come on. Hurry up. Come on. Motion to add 25-1. Motion to move it up on the agenda before the old business. I made it. Charlene seconded. in front of old business. Yes. Before old business. Keep up neighbor. So we don't have to stay here all night. We'll review that. Have to vote on it. We'll have to vote on moving that
108up. Yeah. All in favor of that. All in favor? Okay. Yanas. [Music] Okay. We're good. All right. So, what do we have here? Good evening. Uh, my name is Erica Ash. It's my husband, Steve. We own Ash Family Heating and Cooling. Um, we recently rented 289 or I guess 277. I'm not really sure which it's supposed to be. Um, uh, for our, um, HVAC business. Um, we found out shortly after that it is actually a residential situation. We don't have any paperwork on that. Yeah. Right. Um Shane said that she had printed it out and included it. Yeah. Oh, wait. Sorry. Yes. Oh, it's in mine. Agenda is my fault. You do have it in your packet. The quick summary is that normally this type of business in an existing space probably wouldn't come to
109you. This is a non-conforming lot. It's a commercial building, historic commercial use in a town single family zone. And so when you change from one non-conforming use to another, it requires a special permit. So that's why these two folks are Yes. It has been vacant for a while. Um, prior to us, I believe it was a convenience store/ deli situation. Yes. Um, we would like to use it for our HVAC company. um making no changes whatsoever to the outside other than our sign um which will go on the existing uh bracket that is there um which will actually be smaller than the bracket because of I don't know that theirs was too big. Ours will not be ours will not be too big. Um and other than that, we're going to put up a wall
110on the inside and make the heating and cooling more efficient. And we just kind of want to be quiet and get the mayhem out of our house. Yeah. Oh, that's where you Yeah. And it's it's a little difficult. We have well four dogs now. Um so I mean anytime the phone rings, the dog walks by, the dogs are going nuts. Not to say that they probably Plus, you stole my desk. And I stole your desk. It's his office. Are you gonna have equipment? There's going to be a little bit of storage. Um, we uh have a wall up. Um, so there's going to be a little bit of just like equipment storage. The guys will probably stop by in the morning with the vans. Um, there's not going to be any overnight parking or anything
111like that. So there might be two cars during the day, couple of vans in the morning um, just to kind of load stuff. Um, but we won't need any additional parking. Um, no additional dumpster. We've just increased the frequency of the one there or frequency of the emptying of the one there. Yes. Now, do you own the building? No. No. Okay. So, there's apartments overhead though. Um, there are two apartments overhead. The buildings owned by the estate of Matthew Perigini. Um, but yeah, it's being managed by Michael Perigini apparently. No, no, Matthew. Other way around. The estate of Michael managed by Matthew. So, what what has been done? This is advertised. Uh, not yet. We need to set a public hearing. Set a public hearing. Okay. All right. Can we get it advertised time enough
112for the 23rd? No. That's only two weeks away. 15. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's got to be 10 at minimum. Yeah. Yeah. So, they just got to go out tomorrow. I'll make a motion that we set a public hearing for PZC2-11 for June 23rd, 7 p.m. Any discussion of the motion? The only discussion I would have absolutely and the other situation is they ask for not having a site plan. That was pre-existing. So, it's pre-existing. So, a site plan is not required. So, okay. All right. As far Excuse me. As far as like traffic and the impact, I mean, it's we're literally the guys pretty much leave from their house. Everything that we have in our vans is pretty much what we have. We're not picking up units at the shop and delivering them
113to uh people's properties. All that stuff gets delivered directly from a supply house there. If somebody has to go, uh honestly, it's probably only going to be like a Tuesday morning. Um where the guys come, they drop off the receipts, and they grab a couple of contactors and a capacitor, and then they're off. Yeah, there'll be less traffic than it was when it was 100% tremendous. And at some point, and we've got it to discuss tonight, that will be reszoned as town gateway. So, that use would be allowed at that point once it's reszoned. There was a error somewhere along the line that Well, yeah, we've had some difficulty with there's a strip there from there up to Beach Street that got into town single family that we just found out about it when you
114sent the application in. So, thank you. Yes. So, we need to reszone that as town gateway. Okay. Okay. So, you just made a motion to in a second. We're all in favor of that June 23rd. Okay. Public hearing. So, you're all set with what you need. 23rd. We'll 23rd. Done. Sounds great. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. At least you're busy. That's good. Yeah, we're trying. Good. Definitely trying. Okay. Thank you. Good. Okay, let's see what we got here. So uh PCC 257 is uh 4 C applicant town of Winchester location various proposal update official zoning I've seen the name before I never knew who own yeah oh that store has oh yeah well next door screen had a bar sister Yep. Will that will that one come on as well too? Yeah, they're
115all on different Well, it's not so much that Well, it I I don't know whether to define it as mistakes or what, but um Well, I I'll just get into it. So, I'd like to define it as what it was. Okay. Well, we had a guy can we were in the process of doing the new zoning regulations and we've gotten probably 50% through with a with a contractor that we had hired and then they hired whoever was g manager at the time hired somebody a planner a planner and uh it just never got onto the mapping the way it's supposed to be that we talked about and we you know we had to go back and checked it because we had instructed what we wanted done, presumed it was going to be done and it
116wasn't. So, but anyways, it's about the fifth time we've done this. We're going to we're doing the best we can to get it right. Let me tell you and I I talked to Adam. I talked to him today when he said he wasn't available and this is the first time and I've been here a long long time. This is the first time we've gotten the kind of guidance that you're providing to us. So, I appreciate it and uh what a difference. But but I want to ask you I mean did you actually go back and refer to the note the minutes that where where this happened? So I you know how did you get to a couple of different ways? Uh I went through so the last time your map was officially updated was 2017.
117So the first thing I did was try to go through and find all the zone changes that were approved since 2017. Then I went back even further than that. found a bunch of properties that were supposed to have been changed as part of that map and either were or then were not picked up on your GIS mapping or the other way around. There's a few things that got updated on your GIS layer on the online platform that were not updated on your 2017 official map which is filed down the hall in the clerk's office. So, we're just trying to meld all those things together, get those corrected. Believe me, we all know this. Yeah. So, but the fact is making sure we've gone back to the foundational voting audit and that that's reflected now in
118the mapping. Yes. I I think so. you know, and and I'm not going to say that I that I know it all, but we're Jeff and I, we've been trying to get this right and and the last piece of the puzzle and and I don't you know, this is so new within the last couple of weeks that I really didn't even try to go back and search this one out, but and and I'll get to that in a minute, but um but that area that we just talked about up on up on North Main Street. So, up on the screen is the map uh that you have seen. This is dated April 10th. this uh incorporates the changes in that neighborhood and I don't remember the name of those streets over there but kind of
119close to the region. Yeah, it goes beach street to uh well this is over on the western or eastern side of town. Okay. We had we had taken a number parcels you're looking at old new Hartford Road and Central Avenue. I'm just right. I'm just recapping where we were as of April 10th. And we we took a number of those small part parcels in this neighborhood here and flipped them into the town single family zone because they were in rural residential which really doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of their size and configuration. Um we took a a straggling uh parcel way at the edge of town which was in Town Gateway and flipped that over to Roller Residential which is surrounding it. It was just it's a single family home. It was
120in Town Gateway. didn't make a lot of sense. Uh, we grabbed the former KFC piece, put that back into Town Gateway, which is where it should have been, but was not on the latest maps. Um, town either rural residential or town single family. I forget which it is. Yeah, I think it was. Was it? Um, and then we grabbed some parcels associated with the marina, which had an approved zone change about a year and a half ago or so. Got those on the newest map. And I think there were Oh, and then Overlook Drive, I think, was the other the other piece that we made some changes to get those out of the lake to the towns. Yeah. Okay. So So that's this map dated uh April 10th. This is the one that the hearing
121was predicated on. This is the map that is down at the clerk's office for uh public inspection. Um because that's this has been referred out to the COG and to our neighboring municipalities. This is the map that we've all been working on. In the meantime, over the last couple of weeks, I've updated it to just throw this out there for consideration, although it sounds like you're probably in favor of it based on the things that I heard over the last couple of minutes. Uh, this would grab the town gateway zone and bring it southward along the western side of Route 8, which is currently split between rural residential and town single family. And that's that area between Beach and you know that Wall and Street intersection and more or less where 277 North Main Street
122is. So this this and that there's a list in your packet uh with a date of it's got a May date May 6th or so sometime last week and that is a list of the properties that are being shown on this map dated May 29th. should be like go pretty deep on the north end of that. Those do those are there. We didn't touch those. That's that's currently and I can I can give you a side by side. Actually, what I can do is um they do go deep. But is it beyond the property line? It's not. They're big parcels. Okay. Most of those parcels run right up the hill. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. So, in terms of that part of town, this is your current zoning here on the on the right hand side. This
123is your current zoning. And sorry, that route number overlays those parcels. Um, and what we're talking about is the left hand side of your screen. So, it would basically be from this point south down to the intersection of where Wallen Street comes in. Adding to Gateway on the western. Yeah. Right now they're residential homes. A number a number of them are single family residential. Yep. A number of them are commercial and that's the conversation that we wanted to have. That's where the um car wash is package store all that stuff through there. Okay. But that should have all been gateway on the existing map. So the wall is that beach. So everything south is already already town gateway. Town gateway. Yes. Yep. It's already town gateway. So the purple's town gateway, correct? So this list
124that you gave us here right here, that should be the one with should have a date on the top. Yeah, that's it. Y third. So the Ash family, their property is 287. 277 and that's town. It's currently in town single family, but you don't have 277 on this map. Check. Look for 289. It's not on here. No, it might be 227. The state Oh, yeah. The state of Michael. I was going to say it should better be on there. It says 227. It's the very first one. Oh, that should be What a lousy typo that is. Yeah, that's bad. It's not 227. So, it's 277. 277. Okay. Okay. Uh let let me just I'm going to navigate to it on your GIS and just make sure that we uh got the right um and I
125that that's an easy fix. It's a lousy typo. Yeah. 277. So So the property ID is probably comes down to the corner of Beach Street. Yeah. 107369 is the because the building on the corner of Beach Street, that's the one we approved for a laundromat several years ago. There used to be a barber shop in one portion of it for many, many years. I mean, for a lot of years, there was a barber shop there. So, it's always had commercial uses up through there. Right. Right. But the the car wash is currently in town single family. There's a package store on one of those properties that's in town single family. all. So, at a minimum, we wanted to grab those parcels and and in a conversation within the office, you know, recognizing that yes, they're
126single family homes, but it might make sense to just keep that zone. Well, that's what our intention was when we did this. We figured they've got current and they're fine. They could keep it, right? Exactly. Well, I mean, so there's a lot of two single family homes that were making pre-existing if they want to do anything to their home. I mean, I I really I really hate to make them, especially for a single family house, even though it does, you know, make sense to allow that. Um, I'm wondering, well, if we go only go to Beach Street instead of all the way up, that cuts off quite a few of those single family residences. It does. Where's Beach Street? Where the I know, but we'd have to go as far as a package store to
127bring that in conformance to that piece of property. Yeah, I think your point is well taken, but we also talked about there's a lot of stuff in in town that are factories that were years ago or factories and they're still buildings that there and we changed them to single families, right? And they're sitting vacant, you know. So, I mean, yeah, but I mean then you start screwing around with that and you're it just doesn't work. What do you mean? What do I mean? Yeah, you got a factory in the in a residential area. I know that's the package store, but we can't we can't they're they're not vacant. So, what do you want to do? Put them back to a No, I want to get rid of them. But Well, I understand, but you can't
128just do that. They have like historical we've set the stage for this so that they transition. Exactly. And that's the point, right? Exactly. But it makes them have, you know, they've got the existing uses, especially the commercial or the industrial stuff. And we've gone through that with that one building and, you know, gave them a list of what they had. That's they could continue to do that, but you want to change it. Good luck. So, what's the feeling here? What what's your argument? Well, so I don't I don't know that I necessarily have an argument. I you know I I and this I think this is why we wanted to have this conversation, right? I think at a minimum we need to change this western side of of Route 8 along the uh you know
129between this and I apologize. I don't Yeah. Beach up to whatever the next one is here. And we need to grab the parcel just to the north of that intersection cuz that's where the package store is. That's the package store. the rest of them going up are all residential. Um, and so, you know, I really could I could see it going either way. I think from an economic development standpoint, this is a location that if you want to expand your town gateway zone, this makes total sense. You've got it you've got it across the street. It's a it's a major road. I don't know what your traffic volume is when we did this, right? and we knew there was houses along there, but we thought the future long term would be to go through and
130have it gateway and have that flexibility. Um, I mean, your point's well taken though, you know, as far as somebody wants to do something to their house, they've got to then come in and it becomes a challenge. Yeah. Well, and so maybe we can look at before we make the zone change or maybe we split it up into two, but look at the town regulation and put expansions. Yeah, that's a true that's a good question. That's a terrible thing to do. They buy it, they invest it. No, that's a good point. Well, and they go to sell it, somebody new comes in and wants to change something and those houses along that. Yes, they have. They're nice houses. They're big houses. Yeah. A lot of improvement, a lot of ownership. Mhm. No, that's a that's
131a good point. To change the change pretty quickly when they come up for sale. So, we just add something to the gateway to cover that. Yeah. And I think that would help in a lot of the, you know, a lot of that whole stretch. Then I would be much more comfortable changing that zone. I think um if we wanted to take that area from beach to Yeah. do that now. Do that two pieces if it's not super already, you know, have a special exception for that use coming in. So, I'm flexible with how we do it. But Sure. So, so what we might and and I think you're right, Rrista, right? I mean, I also don't like changing the zone on people, you know, but I can see both sides of the argument. But, so
132I think what we could do is we could come back in two weeks with a revised map that just shows that block plus the package store to the north of that street there. adopt that map and then have a and I think we need to probably have a conversation about some of the non there's you have a non-conforming section in your regulations anyway which delegates some authority to the zoning board of appeals under a special exception delegates some authority to the zoning enforcement officer regarding some of those non-conforming uses and then some of it's a special permit some things are variances and I think we we've had a lot of conversations in in the office about that process and I think there's a lot of confus confusion on the side of the zoning board of
133appeals when it comes down to special exception versus uh versus variances for some of these things. It comes up a lot in the HLD of course and I think we probably want to have a broader conversation as part of the updating of the regs that we're doing anyway about whether or not that still makes sense. A special a special exception and a special permit are essentially the same thing in statute. There really is no difference. The difference here and in many municipalities across the state is that you call it a special exception what goes to the ZA, you call it a special permit that comes here. But I think we might want to take a look at that holistically. So maybe what we do is we'll give you a new map in two weeks. We'll
134include a portion of this change. We'll get that approved. We can get that to the clerk's office too for for public inspection. And then we'll deal with non-conforming and think about that. That will take care of the the ash property. It'll take care of the ash property to the car wash. Yep. It'll grab secondhand store and the package. Yep. All of those commercial uses will be wrapped into the TG. And I think there's only two maybe three single family houses that are in the mix of Right. And those are way up on the hill off off the highway. Yeah. But it's a large three near the car wash. Yeah, there's two or three near the car wash. That's right. And it's the And I think they're all under the same ownership actually, I believe. So,
135yeah, they're on the list there. Okay, good. So, do you want to do this as a continuation of this current public hearing or do you want to treat it as its own separate application? We could do it either way. I would probably prefer to keep it moving the same application and just file an updated map. You already done the legal notice and everything. So, why right leave the hearing open, get a new map in front of you. Nothing time. There's not. No, there's not. All right. So, what we need to do is make a motion to continue the public hearing second to 23rd. You get that, Laura? Come on. Wake up. Wake up. June 23. George made the motion. You're You're sitting in the back. Did you have any comments with regards to this? No,
136I'm just interested. Okay, good. All right. I didn't want to short change it. Easy 25-7. Yes. continue it to June 23rd meeting. George made the motion. Charlene second. All in favor of that motion? Unanimous. Okay. George and unanimous. Yep. Trying to keep it healthy for you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So now this other list is town gateway town single family. That's the older list that you've been looking at for a couple of months and that's there's a number of changes that that's that encompasses um I know other part yeah so we that's accurate that's part that's accurate and it's part of the May 29 map Charlie Lance was here when you went to Florida he's gone okay okay get with the program that that older list goes with this math day adjusting get with the
137program we're still adjusting to the confidence Well, and I apologize because I know this is confusing because I'm throwing different lists at you, trying to be as organized as I can about it. Believe me, we love it. It's great. We've been following the chaos all along. So, that's what it's been. Okay. This is good. Okay. So, what list are we on? You're on old business, huh? We on this this guy. Yeah. So that list that list goes along with the April 10th. That doesn't change. What I will do is update that list, add those, let's say dozen properties or so. Update the map and they'll both have a new uh date. Okay. So for the next meeting. So next meeting we can do it. Fresh done. Y. Thank you. All right. So Overlook Road. Yeah.
138Is that part of our public hearing now? It is. Yes, it is. So there's been arguments made by the staff here about changing Overlook Road from HL district to rural residential. Yeah. Resial. I object to see the value. No, town single family. He just said no rule residential. I think it says town single family in here. No, it should be town single family. Yeah. So So we did this a couple I don't know a month or so ago and we changed it on the proposed map. Single family. Yeah. to because TSF is all is completely surrounding it. You had the north side of Overlook was all Highland Lake District and the south side was all TSF. Uh and none of those properties have direct access to the lake. They don't have access to uh I
139guess that's what is that West Wakefield Boulevard over there. Yeah. So, we had the conversation back in April, I think, or late March of changing all of Overlook over to TSF. And that's what we're looking at currently with this map. It's on this this list that we put two pages. There's one larger property at the end of Overlook which we left within the HLD because even though they access it off from overlook, it does come down to and I forgot the name of that. That's the Magguire. That's on Von Lane. Yeah. So, we're leaving that in HLD because it comes down access to the field, right? It's on Vans Lane. You're talking this property right here. You got it. Yeah. They cannot access that from overlook. They access it from overlook, right? But we we're
140leaving it in HLD because it's it because it's got frontage on bonds on bonds. What? Okay. What what I don't know how they get there. No, I agree with you. I the the topography is such that it doesn't it doesn't work, but it has frontage down there. And I think that was It has frontage down here. Yes. But I don't think they can access it from mods. They can't from overlook. Oh, from overlook. They can't access it because it drops right off. Yeah. Yeah. So, the other thing we talked about was making the zone change so it was more consistent with the neighborhood, but then looking at a wershed [Music] overlay being discuss what that might entail. So, yeah. And we're working with that. We Jeff and I have started talking with some of the
141folks over on uh well, you know, Highland Lake watershed. So, we really I think that's sort of the next step in the process. We but we wanted to kind of get the map straight, the zoning map, and then we'll do that overlay and figure out what that all looks like. Um, and that'll take care of a lot of So, do we continue this to the next meeting as well? Okay. Yeah, we just I think we continue public. So, I I've given you basically two versions of the map, but you're going to get a third one as part of this public hearing and with this discussion, you'll have a new map to review that I think you could probably approve at your next meeting. Okay. All right. Willie, were you interested in changing that property and
142probably the one to the left, which I'm guessing is to single family because they don't have direct access to the lake. Uh I think they No, I I they the way that land's shaped there, that water all runs down lane. Yeah. So, you might as well just leave it as it is. Yes. I would leave it because lane's a terrible terrible kid downhill. That That's one of the biggest drainage area problems up up there. That's why you've got a lake at the bottom of the slope, right? Exactly. That's how that works. Y All right. Okay. Thank you everybody. Very good. Thanks. All right. So, well, let's see what we got here. Okay. One's going to July 14th. Yeah. All right. Uh we've continued the uh 165 road Connor's continued. Martin Connor has been continued. 257's
143continued going. So uh and we added this uh 2511. So that's taken care of. Uh all right. You know, we're coming up. It's almost 9:00. So, we're not going to go beyond where we're going, frankly. I've got somebody. Okay. So, uh I noticed in something you said, oh, on that parcel, they're not they wanted to do a helad there on Riverton Road. Uh not Riverton. No. I read it. That's on 165. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, now they don't want to do it. No, they're just waiting for the regulation to catch up. Yeah. They had the helipad. No regulations, so they can't. So, so and I and I recognize it's getting late in the evening. I I sent you all in your packets, you have a a number of proposed or potential uh changes
144to your zoning regulations, the the Highland Lake District fence stuff that we talked about a couple of weeks ago, uh regulations for helellipads. I made some small updates there based on some comments that we got. uh manufactured in mobile home definition so that we can resolve that uh and the appendix A which is your use table. So what I would say and they should be in I think they printed in color. It looks like they did. So the changes are in red. I don't know that we need to have deep discussions tonight. It's up to you. But no I think we're you know we're close to take them home read them and we'll talk about them in a couple of one thing that uh people instead of put fencing up put plants in. Right. And
145we should include the height restriction to that that type of thing because otherwise I see pictures of stuff that are right, you know, and and we we started down that path a little bit. We had that conversation a few weeks ago. I think the trouble the struggle becomes enforcement and how do we enforce it? Now we could put it in the regulations and sort of an honor code system and it's there and hopefully most people obey. It's guidance then you know, right? Put the guidance in there. It just it just I don't don't think you have a problem until you get a neighbor dispute. Bingo. That's when you have the problem. And that's when you always have problems, right? You always have those problems and it just becomes about all right, are we really going
146to go out there and say, "Okay, you've got to lop your trees at six feet because that's what the regulations say." And they should approve them in the first place. I don't disagree with them. So, I mean, if if that's something the commission wants to do, we'll we'll bat that around. I look to Jeff because he's the enforcement officer and you know, he's going to make Shane do it. That would solve a lot of your questions. Arbories were the same rules as a fence. Yeah. That would solve your issues. Yeah. Okay. I've put put down they cannot exceed the height of the fence and and that's it. Yeah. Well, I think that's got to be added because it's actual height. Well, is there a way to look at, you know, some of the I know
147this is not it's out of context, but the right tree, right place that trees that don't grow that tall, they have some approving, you know, I think the whole court case about miniature use relevant and not Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's I feel like that's that's non-conforming stuff. That's Yeah. But I don't want to get in a situation where we're in court before a judge saying you approved our vet and now you're making them coming down. I I think that's so I you know one of the things that I started to and we can do we can do a little bit more research on this but one of the things that I started looking at was just write in your f you know write in your fence regulations saying a fence includes this this
148and also you know vegetation screening not defining vegetation and plantings right so we got the height of a little bit should we at least have a list of acceptable plantings or no that could change to it. It could, right? And I and I Yeah. And I think we'll probably look at that in terms of an overlay zone because we're going to probably want to try to push people towards native species and I don't know, is a giant arriving a native species to Connecticut? Probably not. And so we get, you know, there's big conversations that need to happen there. But we can look at we'll see what we can find for other towns. We don't need to be uh inventing the wheel, but we'll see what's out there. The idea is to protect the fusion, right?
149Right. Right. Right. So, we got so much so much population. Right. It's dense. It's dense. Get some kind of guidance to people, you know, and and then and then the only other thing that's on there under other businesses, House Bill 502, which has been given a public act number 25-49. And there's a whole bunch of stuff in there, but I'm not even going to bother telling you because as we were sitting here listening to v I'm I'm reading the Connecticut Mirror and seeing that the governor may veto this thing if he doesn't changes. So that's why I sent the sit that one came to me and I I wrote wrote in right away and I said I'm going to send this to some people. So I think he got an earful from a lot of
150places. They don't like it, sir. Well, and Yankee Institute sent out, I think, to a lot of people that, you know, contact the governor here and it gave you the link, right, to contact. One quick question before the gap falls on your chart here. Yep. Wind and solar facilities accessory to residential or commercial use. Now, is rooftop solar panels necessary to residential use? I would say so. Rooftop. Yes. So that means that all rooftop solar panels are going to have to come in for a zoning permit. So that's that's what that means and I'm good with that. Yep. And that's part of the reason that that's in there is because you don't have anything really in there right now and they should be regulated and then when these u energy programs come in the case
151for this they should be coming for building permits. Uh I think they don't require zoning permits right now. solar rooftop solar. You don't you're not requiring We do. You You do. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So So you Okay. So that's what that's really permit right now usually but it's not regulated permits because the connection the electric cool thanks can I do what just one more thing do you did you hear how um particularly these guys went over how um these applicants needed to put these things more clearly on the map so that it becomes part of the record. Can our applicants be kind of guided by you in that regard? We're working on that. Okay. Because you know Marty knows all this stuff kind of before we don't like where you put the the things got
152to be quiet detail about the enclosure and the lights and so forth. We didn't hear from we had to continue and we didn't hear from Eisenl the map isn't complete. Did you you said you were in Florida at the last meeting as you have watched and you called the office and said you're not going to be here. Surveyors are trying to step in and take as a question but they're not quite up to speed with all of that. So we're working for them to continue when we had the special meeting. That was a special Okay. All right. Okay. I'm going to make a motion to approve the minutes 19th 2025 special meeting. I'll second it. Any discussion? All in favor? Motion to journ. Second. That's what you wanted. All in favor? Okay. Got it. Okay.
153All right. Thank you. You got that done, huh? Thanks all. Good. You got it done, huh? 9:00. Well, you know, push it over the hump. You know, interesting meeting, guys. Take care.