001[Music] Well, I'm going to call the budget work session to order. Um I believe tonight uh we have unclassified the police department, the board of ed, and the capital still to talk about or still to decide. Make a motion. Uh we also had a meeting today. We're going to town manager will give some um information about potential change to the fire department that was discussed as late as 5:00 today. Um, in in the big scheme of things, it's probably a minor change, but nonetheless, obviously want to share it with everyone and and get thoughts on if we need to make any adjustments to the fire department um budget. So, I think I would like You want to start with capital? Start with the fire department. Why don't we start with the fire department? I'm already
002on that page then. That's great. And what page would that be? 615. Thank you. All right. So, as we talked about, um, town manager, I don't know if you want to give a quick explanation of why we're discussing the fire department budget again. Certainly. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think we could start with the fact that in the in the realm of public safety, right? We did a long um presentation conversation around uh public safety with respect to the uh police department, right? And that's just half the equation um in terms of the other side of the house of of the fire. Um and I I don't want to lose sight of that and I think that uh I echo your comments that the the meeting today was um you know very productive uh
003meeting and and there was a certain amount of idea a lot of ideas that came out of that and uh what I'd like to uh propose is that because we're going through so much uh in terms of the organization in terms of review uh for the fire company and the fire department um that we would take a look at not being shortsighted and and giving them an opportunity uh to to boost their funding in the uh I'm going to say the line item for the uh recruitment and training that would be um 52430 that they're currently funded and have been funded uh at 12,250 that's unchanged but I think heading into um the new fiscal year and what we're going to be tasking them to do in terms of of um improving and involving uh
004their operations that we recognize that there is a uh retention and recruitment problem. So that if we put uh I would suggest another 5,000 in the recruitment and training line item which is 52430 u that that would go a long way in getting them u started in their process which won't happen overnight but I think as of July adding 5,000 to that line item would help them begin to develop the plan as they go along and then have additional information um in terms of their um um results and they could come back again next year um to expand upon what it is that the council is going to be asking them to do in terms of of uh really turning things around uh with respect to their um operations and and um boosting uh both
005retention and and recruitment and and morale. Uh so that's my suggestion uh as it came by way of our conversations this afternoon. So okay, that's what I have for you. All right. Um so any questions, any comments? Um, you know, just again just to kind of piggyback what the town manager said, you know, we had some very good discussion um about public safety and and we kind of after uh discussing the police, we did have that good discussion today about fire and and you know, I I I agree that I think, you know, bumping this this particular line item up $5,000 would make sense because there is a need to start focusing on on retention and recruitment with the fire department. Um, I know I think it's, you know, as far as increasing any mill
006rate, it's I think three 1,000 of a mill. It's something that doesn't really affect it's probably less than 01. So, actually, I can tell you. I forgot I have everything. So, you got to be exact. You can't I forgot. Yeah, I do. That's natural. Yeah, it didn't move. So, it's less than 01. Okay. Would you like a motion, Mr. Chairman? Yeah. And I think just just a simple motion to add $5,000 to the fire department budget. Yep. Is that all? We don't need to. Yeah. And then I'll give you the bottom line number. Okay. No, I I have the bottom line should be 503256. Correct. Correct. Okay. Okay. Then go ahead. All right. Mr. Chairman, go ahead. Motion to add to uh department 210 $5,000 to 50 Oh, I'm sorry. 52430. Um, in the amount
007of 5 thou yeah 5,000 for a total of 53,256. Second, which is an increase of $5,281. Oh, all right. All right. A motion and a second. Any other comments or questions? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? All right. That's one of the five items we have to take care of. Um, uh, what do we The chief is here. Why don't we talk about police? Yeah. Um, I'm not sure if we're going to have questions, but thank you for being here. Certainly. Um, as a followup to our discussions we had last night. Um, I know we had several of us voiced our opinions last night. Where are we tonight? Or are there any questions for the chief, for the town manager? Are any questions for Rob as far as impact that any changes would make?
008Mr. Chairman. Yes, go ahead. I do have questions for Rob because I'm looking at the sheet and it said one officer and then the other sheet is two officers, but I thought we had agreed that if it was uh 180, it would be two officers. And this is 174 200 and it says one, it would it that the 180 additional would be for two officers. It was it's 163 for two officers. 163. But this says 17. The increase is 174200 and it says one officer. Okay. So if you look there's two. Do you have two separate packages? Okay. And on the last column on the council approved one says one officer 7125. Right. The other one says two officers 7125. Okay. So let's take the one with one officer. The one with one officer increases
009from the manager's request the full timeline item. Okay. To 4,301500. You see that? Yep. Okay. Okay. I'm good. And Ed. Okay. Well, and if you turn Well, if you turn the page in that package, Yep. you'll see the mill increase as we mentioned last night roughly is 1.5. Assuming everything else stays the same exactly as you have it in front of you. Okay. The second the second package says two officers. So the the second officer only raises at 0.05%. For the mill one one officer would Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry. You're right. It would go up to 1.55 mills versus 1.5. So yes, the increase would be 05 mills. Okay. Yep. Thanks for Okay. All right. Any other comments or questions? Uh chair. Yeah, go ahead. I I'm still I'm still the
010feeling that um we should go with the two officers. With a majority of the a good portion of the department at a lower step right now with lower salaries, I think now is the time to add. Yep. I agree, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Go ahead. Um we're talking two officers, but we're also talking someone on compensation, are we not? We're talking three. Three. And I would suggest that replace that individual this year, this budget, not the next budget. Yeah. And I don't know. Yeah. Replace is probably not the right way to say it. It's it's fail fill in the fill fill fill the hole. Well, filling a hole. Correct. We're going to try and get that issue resolved and it and could could result in, you know, bringing the department up to 40 and then what
011you would do with your action would be additional two. Correct. Okay. So we're all clear. So we, you know, while we would be looking to hire potentially three, as far as the budget's concerned, it's budgetarily, yes. But one is to fill a position that currently is v is is budgeted but not filled. So the money is there. Okay. Correct. Yes. Okay. Right. Okay, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Go ahead. I'll make the motion if you're if everyone's ready. Make it. We can Yeah, we could. A motion to fund department 201 in the amount of $5,763,000. Second. All right. I'm I'm sorry. Motion and a second. Um any other comments or questions, Mr. Chair? You know, I continue to support this. I think the two officers will really have um you know, a substantive uh effect on public
012safety. Okay. Anyone else? Any comments before we vote? I'm totally in favor of it. Okay. You know, and I I doing it now is is the important thing. Okay. I mean, we we could do it month here, two, six months, and in six months, and it's not going to save us anything, right? Do it now. Get it over with. Get the men into into training. Or if we're lucky enough to find someone in that's out there that's good and wants to come to work, hire them. Mr. Chairman, we need two votes on this though, correct? Two votes. Well, one to replace. No, we're not. I don't believe we need two votes. We just have to do the one vote on next year's proposed budget and that takes care of everything. I think we want it.
013The the filling of the current position that is not manned but budgeted is administrative with through the town manager. It's just filling the hours. It's not it's already in the budget. So we don't have to change that. It's currently funded. It's currently funded, just not filled by a body that this potential new hire will fill budgetarily through administrative. Stick to numbers. No, I think I was pretty eloquent with that. By the way, I I agree. I was looking over there and they're both sitting there with like I'll just say that, you know, night six of budget hearings. This was Yeah. Yeah. So, wow. Yeah. It was It was I thought you did a very good job. But, um All right. No one else has any Does anyone have another comment? You know, and I'll just
014say, you know, certainly I think the followup to this is, you know, we have a bigger plan in that potentially we could have in place. and and you know, I think I think Councilman uh Christopher mentioned it last night that you know, some followup during the course of the fiscal year and not waiting till budget season to start. And some of that's on us for, you know, maybe not saying something sooner, but you know, continuing to assess and try to process what's going on during the year to see where where we're going. And um you know I think it makes sense to to continue to discuss this even outside of budget season. So um with that I will ask uh all those in favor. Any opposed? Motion carries. Um so we have board capital or
015unclassified. What? What's anyone someone yell out one of those? Board. Board. All right. question part. Oh yeah, go ahead. Just say we think the microphones are working better. So we think so. It's working. Yes. Uh first, thank you very much uh for your support. Uh I will not let you down. Uh nor will you know the the men and women of the police department. Um one question I have. Do I can I move forward with the hiring um to get to for that funded position that's not there? regardless of of the referendum and should I obviously it the two people the the other two people are approved going from 40 to 42 but I would imagine I would have to wait until the public votes at a referendum uh to to really celebrate it. Yes,
016I can't go back. Short answer, the budget would have to pass. Okay, for those two, but yes, I think, you know, from my perspective, unless procedurally this is incorrect, I'm okay with you moving forward with the position that's currently funded that is not being filled. Okay. Is that No, the the hole that's not filled. The hole that's not But yes. So, and is everyone in that concerns with that? Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Does that go like we don't have to vote on that but we've expressed our support for doing so. Okay. And for from out of fiscal year of 2025. Sure. Okay. Okay. All right. We'll get started on immediately. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So the board I'm not What section was that? Does anyone know? We're 11.
017Thank you. Where are we going? There is It says 13, but it's not. It's 113. three. Um, all right. So, is there any I know we had the board here last night. Um, I I don't know. Does anyone have any questions, any comments uh before we entertain a motion? Okay. I guess does anyone want to make a motion? Mr. Chair. Yes. Go ahead. like to make a motion to fund department 910, Board of Education for in the amount in the amount of 47,779,178. Second. All right. A motion and a second. Any comments or questions, Mr. Chair? Yes. Can Can this budget actually be lowered? In other words, like if we go out to voting and then the whole town votes for it and they reject, can we lower it? Yes. Yes. Okay. In fact, I
018think we're required to lower it at that point. You have to make an adjustment higher or lower depending on the dollar. Depending on what they what the Yeah. No, I understand. I mean, we we do have to make a change. And the question is still considered advisory though. The too high too low. It's an advisory question. Still considered advisory. Yeah. Okay. All right. Any other comments? Any other questions? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Um, we're down to capital and unclassified. Capital. Capital. I think that's in section 12. That one I may know. 14. I thought 121. 12. Don't look at me. Um, again, um, you know, we went through a lot of this last week. Um, I don't have any questions. I know I missed Wednesday's discussion. Is there anybody that
019has any questions or comments regarding anything in the capital? And just for and I still can't believe I have to ask this question. We just need to approve the uh number that's on page 123 or page three of section 12. Yeah, version two. 95. Yeah, version two. Yes. I Good point. The 957. So you're you're Yes. And then and then there there there's a second part to it though. Correct. So it's the it's the contribution from uh all so so yeah. So 12 uh where are we? Page section 12 page three version version two. Um yes the 9576 is the town CIP piece of this. Okay. And then on page I believe five on 126 version two is the board of ed piece of this. Okay. And then in total when you get to 840
020is the transfer in to cover those expenditure costs. All right. So why don't we go ahead and take care of page uh three in section 12 version two. Mr. Chair. Yes. Go ahead. Uh, we fund uh I forgot what department we're in. 840. 840. Um, there. Yeah, I lost it. Really? No. No. It's It's fund 1100 for town CIP. Yeah. Okay. For 9 $957,600. Second. All right. Motion has a second. Um, any comments or questions? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? And if you turn to page six in that section, version two, we have the board, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Go ahead. A motion to fund uh 1200-840 in the amount of $388,400. Second. A motion and a second. Any comments or questions? All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries. And what
021was the third number? What page would that be on? So you're done with the expenditure side of CIP. Now the only department that is open is 840. Okay. And the 840 department are the transfers in of which part of that is the CIP expenditure. And what what's that number? Why don't just uh do you have it in front of you? 12. Is that section 10 page 12? Mhm. Yes. Yes. All right. So, section 10, page 12, version one. Is that two motion? So, no, you could um do all this in one motion with the bottom line of 1,499,800. Okay. um which is an increase of 255 373 of which 250 is for CIP and the other 5,300 is for the library with the uh you know to to fund part part of the patine director.
022Yep. All right. Anyone care to make a motion, Mr. Chairman? Yes. Go ahead. Motion to fund department 0100-840 in the amount of $1,499,800. Second. All right. A motion and a second. Any comments or questions? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. And the last item will be unclassified. And if anyone has the section and page number, I'd be happy for some help. 1010. Thank you. Oh, what is that? Was 1010. 1010. Yeah. I think I just broke my pen. Um, okay. Any uh comments and or questions? I know we've spent a few nights now talking about this particular account or department. Is there any anything from administration you want to say? Anything from the council as far as a question or comment? Otherwise, we can entertain a motion. Mr. Chair. Yes. Go ahead,
023Motion to fund department 0100-830 unclassified in the amount of where are we? 518,655. Second motion and a second. Uh, any comments or questions? Is that the right number? All those that the right number uh or I don't know or is it 468? Correct. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. 518. Yes, that's the correct number. 518. Oh, good. No, we want No, I'd rather I'm glad we clarified. Yeah, because it was a 468. That's the change. Okay, that's the change. All right. All right. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. So, that concludes the individual departments. Um, someone get ready to write. Are we prepared to give a bottom line, a town side, board side, and then a bottom line number? Correct. Yes, we are. Okay. All right. Just just start reading off numbers and then
024we'll Well, that's what I do, right? Okay. Well, your job. I think you're good at explaining things, too, but All right. Um, so the town general government budget council approved is 28,511,798, an increase of 1,82,458 or 6.75%. All right. Why don't we uh do this one at a time? This will be easier. Um, anyone care to make a motion on the town site? Just have to read that number he just gave us, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Go ahead. Motion to approve the town government budget in the amount of 28,511,798. Second. All right. Motion and a second. Any comments or questions? All those in favor? I I. Any opposed? All right. That takes care of the town side. Now the board side. Board of education budget as approved by the town council. 47 million779,178. an increase of
0252,51,690 or 5.53%. Mr. Chair, yes. Like to make a motion to approve the board of education budget in the amount of 47 million779,178. Second. All right. A motion and a second. Any any uh comments or questions? All those in favor? I I. Any opposed? Motion carries. So, the total town of Planville budget as approved by the town council is 76 million $290,976, an increase of 4,34,148 or 5.98%. And you do not need to vote on the total as the two individual items are the questions on the to the to the taxpayers. So we're all set. You are. All right. So I think that's it. What we got here? All set. Yeah. Okay. I should Oh, I'm sorry. I hadn't looked at this page yet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if you had a question,
026but There was some other handout. Yeah. That you requested. I'm sorry I lost my Yeah. Um and and this this is um this is what you asked about last night, Mr. Chairman. Um and again, a lot of numbers here, but I kind of I I simplified it as best I could. So the very top three rows are our grand list comparisons by, you know, type real estate, motor vehicle, personal property. um in comp the current year grand list 23 and you can see the 1 million 1 billion 7-Eleven and then the 24. Yep. And our difference now the 24 includes the change to motor vehicle which again is estimated at 2065. Um I did receive information today from our assessor that that number is very very close to what it will be for Rio but
027she's you know she's going to sign off on them within the next uh 10 to 15 days. Um, so that that's just the numbers and um the comparison of the two down below that shows that we actually our our grand list um just for real estate because you asked a question just for for a homeowner did go down. It went down by a,792,270. So if you take that difference negative y divide it by the total grand list just for real estate this current year you can see the percentage change. It's a negative and again it's below 01. Yes. very minimal. Correct. So again to to simplify this very as much as I could. Yeah. And again this is just an estimate. Okay. Um an average home value of 200,000 and the 23 grand list year
028and the 24 grand list year taking into consideration the reduction in the grand list. There's a $260 difference in value. Okay. We assess that value at 70%. So you can see that next line at 140 and so on and so forth. The mill rate this year at 3246 would have a uh estimated taxes were approximate tax taxes of $4,570 incorporating the grand uh this year's budget actually as now adopted by you the town council uh with an estimated mill rate at this point in time which is still subject to change which is why this is an estimate. Yep. um taxes would be $4,780, an increase of $210 annually or less than $20 a month. Okay, that's on a home value at $200,000. And I threw in a a home value of $300,000. Our median is
029somewhere in between in Planeville. Okay. Um so I I kind of picked these two numbers and again, same comparison, same percentages, same everything. The difference in that value from a $300,000 value home is $317 annually or again less than $30 a month. Yep. So anywhere between$210 and 317. But again I I I caution that not every house is the same because you know even though you know you might have had changes from 23 to 24. You might have put a pool in or a garage or something. So these numbers are at this point in time estimate is the best word I can say. I can't caution that enough. All right. Well, thank you for putting that together. You're welcome. Thank you. Um, is there anybody else that has anything they want to discuss other than
030say, you know, obviously thank you to the staff, um, obviously to the council members and thank you, uh, for recording this for the last six nights. That's right. Appreciate everyone's work and, um, we'll see everyone what, April 7th at our next regularly scheduled meeting. Correct. Correct. I'll see you tomorrow. Good. All right. Motion to adjurnn. I'll move. Second. All those in favor? I. We are adjourned. Thank you. [Music]